The Danger Of 'Shrooms, Eating & Supplementing "Seasonally", Whether Lectins Are Really Bad For...
Podcast interview (Ben Greenfield interviewing Dr. Anthony Beck) about biohacking practices and controversial health topics. Core topics in this chunk include Dr. Beck's morning routine (photobiomodulation pod, near/far infrared sauna with Rubylux bulbs, tuning forks at 432Hz and 528Hz), his approach to seasonal eating and supplementation (match fats and foods to light/temperature and individual membrane status), skepticism about blanket claims that lectins are universally harmful, testing-driven clinical practice (stool panels, organic acids, Genova NutrEval plasma, cytochrome P450 SNPs), and caution about unsupervised psychedelic use (metabolism via CYP enzymes). Sponsors and product mentions (Blue Apron, Omax3, Organifi, Four Sigmatic) and practical EMF mitigation rules (disconnect, distance, duration) also appear.
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And then when my brain starts to go different and my cortisol starts dropping down that curve, you know all about, that's when I hit my far infrared sauna, outfitted with some rubylux light bulbs, and I start banging on my. My tuning forks. That's. That's after I spent about 20 minutes in my full body light pod. Little photo biomodulation. So what I do is I hit my tuning fork and I put it, of course, at different places, you know, my third eye between, you know, both ears and then under my armpits and then of course, down in my, you know, manly regions, and just did some direct tuning.
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Hey, folks, it's Ben Greenfield here. And I've got. I've got a few friends who I would consider to be VIPs or bigwigs or leading authorities or whatever you would call them in the field, specifically of health and biohacking guys who are out there in the trenches and actually living and practicing what they preach. My guest on today's podcast being no exception, because he doesn't wear headphones, for example, so that he does not fry his head. So we spent about 10 minutes before we started recording hunting him down some. Some headphones to wear. So he actually is a physician who advises some of the world's top military personnel, Spartan athletes, strongman, Competitors, obstacle course racers. He's a functional medicine doc who's practiced for a couple of decades now. He's got four national medical board certifications. He provides philanthropic care for these groups like the Warrior Angles foundation and the Task Force Dagger Foundation. So he works with some. Some pretty elite military personnel. And he's been on the show before. As a matter of fact, I interviewed him about this tiny hydration invention that he created that I still carry with me during my Spartan races called Oral iv. And I'll link to that podcast in the show notes if you want to hear, hear about how he created this really unique approach to hydration. But lately this guy has been pretty pesky. On my own Facebook page, he's been jumping in on topics ranging from everything from mushrooms to methylation. So I figured I'd invite him on the show to take a deep dive into some of the more controversial things that he has a very unique perspective on. So his name is Dr. Anthony Beck. B E C K. You can access the show notes for today's show over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com Beck2 that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com beck the number two, obviously, because I've interviewed him before. And in those show notes, I'll put a link to my previous podcast with the great Dr. Becky. So, Anthony, welcome back to the show.
Dude, what's happening? My brother from another mother.
Not much. My brother with a southern accent. Where do you live again? You're. You're in. Are you in Alabama?
No, but I am a Roll Tide fan, so you know what's up. But anyways, no, I'm in central Florida. I'm in just outside of Orlando. Outside of Orlando? Yep.
Disneyland and rednecks, right?
Yes, sir. Yeehaw. Yeah, I got. I got a couple of princesses, so, you know, we had to. No, that's not why I'm here. But yeah, so central Florida, a couple of what?
What'd you say?
Princesses. So it's convenience, you know.
Oh yeah. You got little girls, you mean?
That's right. I don't. I don't have forests like you do to, you know, get them all there. So I'm 45 minutes east or west. I'm dead center of the state to. To all kinds of ocean and we got tons of springs here. Just surrounded by all kinds of lovely and deliciousness.
So my basement is Legoland, so I actually do have an amusement park at my house.
Hey, before we hopped on, in addition to you having to hunt down fricking headphones and we'll talk about EMF lately because I know you're not a fan of some of these like EMF blockers and all these devices out there. We can get into that later on because I know you jumped in on that on my Facebook page, but you said you were up to your own little morning routine this morning. You said you just finished your routine. What was your routine this morning? Dude.
Yeah, so my thing is I get up generally about 9 o'. Clock. I think I kind of surprised on.
Our last podcast you wake up at nine o'.
Clock. Yeah, yeah, I always like to wake up after the sun or just as it's coming up. So somewhere between eight and nine whenever my body wakes me up. And then I work in little blocks and little chunks and so I rock out for about three hours. And then when my brain starts to go different and my cortisol starts dropping down that curve, you know all about, that's when I hit my, my far infrared sauna outfitted with some ruby lux light bulbs in there and I start banging on my, my tuning forks. But that's, that's after I spent about 20 minutes in my full body light pod. Little photo biomodulation.
Wait, wait, you gotta back up and explain some of this stuff to me, man. So these, these ruby lux bulbs that you put in your sauna, is this a, this sounds like exactly like what I light my own office up with at night when I'm working at night. They're these little red bulbs.
Yeah. Yeah.
So can you fill, can you people fill people in on those?
Yeah. So you know, they're, they're, you know, they're warm. So it's going to be near infrared light bulbs. So they're nice and red and they put out a lot of heat and you know, they just, I basically, you know, biohacked my sauna, which is code for drilling a hole in the top and outfitting a four outlet.
Light fixture. I stack in four rubylux bulbs in a little cross shape up the top. But of course I have to be careful not to stand up and get a nice little skin removal on my shoulders. I'm not as tall as you, five eight. But anyway, it's still an altitudinal challenge, but yeah, so I got four ruby light Rubylux bulbs in the top of a far infrared sauna. So I sit in there under the near infrared and far infrared combo after I've soaked in a little 660 nanometer and eight 50 nanometer light pod.
Okay, so you put those rubylux bulbs inside of your infrared sauna so that you're getting both near infrared and far infrared. Is that why you do that?
That's correct. So I like to combine them. Of course light has all its power and its individual wavelengths for sure, but I like to mimic what's going on out there, you know, so. And even if it's midday, it's okay. Cause you know, I have it in my garage so there's sunlight coming in too, you know, so I don't get it. Doesn't confuse it. I don't like doing in a dark room during the day.
Yeah. And what's this other device that you're in, this photo biomodulation thing?
Well, I actually have the first bed that's ever come to the United States and it is a lot of people are familiar with like Thor and their light bed.
Thor, which is Thor?
Yep, Thor laser.
Okay.
They're like the, you know, Ferrari out there in triple LT or photobiomodulation. I was did some training with Mr. Carroll, who is the CEO of. That's a fantastic company. They have amazing low level light laser therapy units that are just phenomenal. And then of course then they have a full body pod that is combination of these two wavelengths as well. But you know, the difference is of course in price point and all that other kind of fun stuff.
Well, I wear this on my head. Like I have this thing called a violite. And the reason I wear it like every other day I'll put it on and I actually put it on every other day on purpose. Because if you do it too much, you can create too many from what I understand, reactive oxygen species if you just like blast yourself with this photobiomodulation all the time. But it, it creates nitric oxide and it also activates the, the mitochondria like in your neural tissue. It's this, it's this little probe that you stick up your nose and this, this hat that you call the violet. But it sounds to me like you're doing the same thing except you got a whole friggin pod.
Yeah, I mean the violite is awesome. I mean there's so many different things out there. Of course the, the, the market is filled with all kinds of just crap because people are just thinking, oh, it's red light, it's there. That doesn't mean it's putting out enough, you know, irradiance and you're not getting enough joules over time. But as with any energy substance, whether it's air or EMF or Magnetic fields or sound or tuning and stuff like that, too much can, you know, have a sedative effect, right? So there's a tonification sedation curve is what I refer to it as. And so the thing about it is you got to realize that too much of a good thing can swing you to the other side for sure. But yeah, this is a full body pod of LED strips and it's pretty amazing. So it'll be coming to the market here pretty soon. We haven't made it completely available.
People can't even buy this yet.
Not yet. Not yet. Because here's my thing, man. I always quantify and make sure before I recommend anything. Just like you, man. That's why I love and respect you with so much. And the thing is because you put your own time into it. And then I run my patients through it. So we do biomarkers that we want to modulate and see, you always want to quantify and measure and monitor. So you want to know going into it what you start and then afterwards. And then I have all kinds of frequencies, you know, all the way from, you know, 10 hertz to, for folks, you know, with TBI and stuff like that. Because you know, you got to remember that, you know, there's the pulse rate and the frequency plus the wavelength. So there's a formula of what something is. It's like, it's like playing on a piano. They're all part of the piano. But you know, upscale and downscale is going to give a. It's going to sound different, right? So that's the same thing when you're playing with the harmonics of sound. It's the way you're playing with harmonics of light. So anyway, so it's all about that. So this bed allows you to do all that fun stuff.
Okay, so you've got youryour photobiomodulation. So you're getting a nitric oxide release in your body in that mid morning after you've woken up so darn late, lazy ass. And then, then you do near infrared and far infrared in your sauna because you have like a sauna that you put these light bulbs in. So you get, you know, and a lot of people don't know this. Most of these saunas, they, they are just far infrared. So you're, so you're adding the near infrared to that. And then you're also, in addition to that, you said, doing tuning forks inside the sauna, huh?
Yeah, so I, I have two particular ones that I'm, I use all the Time. They're my go to. One's a 432Hz and the other one's a 528.
And so I know that 528Hz is. Is the frequency of love. What's the. What's the other one? The four. What'd you say, four?
Well, 432 is. Is the one that is reminiscent of the. Of Phi. The Fibonacci, you know, the golden. Mean our DNA and everything. So it has a tremendous harmonizing and balancing effect.
Oh, interesting. I actually, I have this water generating device. I know we're already delving deep into toy territory called a nanov next to my desk right here. And it generates, like, water that I can breathe, like humidified vapor water that I can breathe while I'm sitting here at work. Right. It also has a nasal cannula you can put up your nose and it. And it does that frequency that's in that DNA repair frequency.
That's it.
I forget. What's the frequency again? It's 4.
4 32.
4 32. And then 528 is the frequency that would be more for, like, love and positive feelings.
Yeah. And DNA repair as well. You know, just like your whole tones. Right. I know you're a fan of that. Same kind of deal.
Yeah, that's what I play in my sauna. The whole tone CDs or the whole tones. FP3s.
Yeah. So what I do is I hit my tuning fork and I put it, of course, at different places. You know, my third eye between, you know, both ears, and then under my armpits, and then, of course, down in my, you know, manly regions and just hit some direct tuning. And then the other thing about that is you can actually take the stem of it or the root of the tuning fork and just touch it firmly to your. To the sauna. And. And it makes an. It makes my entire sauna into an echo chamber. So the whole thing is magnified. That's the vibration into it.
I want to try this.
Yeah, it's pretty cool. So, tuning fork, and I'll show you the one that I use, and you can link that for other folks. But, you know, you ping that bad boy. But you got to make sure you have a hammer, a rubber hammer, because you can create a, you know, a micronage within the frequency if you hit it too sharp of an object.
What do you mean?
Well, like, for instance, I did a video on the 1. So in other words, like, let's say you have your tuning fork and it has a rubber Mallet on the end of it. You hit it with the rubber mallet, you're going to get a whole tone. If I hit it with the. The wood handle, it's going to create. It's still going to hit it 432, but it's going to be out of phase.
Okay, gotcha.
So in other words, if you're using tuning forks, you want to make sure you get a whole tone. You want to get the proper tone out of it. Yeah, of course, there's an app for that. There's, you know, called tuner ti. Tuner, capital T1. Excuse me. And so you can just. You can always know. You can just put that app on, hit your tuning fork by your phone and. And it'll tell you. It'll show you.
Oh, yeah, it's like, like a digital tuner, just like you'd use for guitar or. Or ukulele, for example.
Roger that.
Yeah, that's interesting. When, when I, when I talked to that guy, Michael Tyrell, who composes these for those of you listening, and he composes these. These tunes, these really amazing tracks that are all tuned to some of these frequencies that Dr. Beck is talking about, like the 528 hertz. When I play those, I'll play them in the sauna. But then the other thing that you can do is you can take, if you're a musician, you can take that same frequency and you can tune, I believe it's the A. On your. On your guitar or your piano or whatever, to that same frequency to make sure that you're getting all the same benefits if you're playing music. And for those of you who want to wrap your head around this, I'll link to my interview with Michael in the show.
Yeah, he's a lovely man. Just, just. I've never met him, but I've always been a fan. You could just. He's just lovely. Can you.
Did you just get these off of Amazon? These?
Yeah.
These tuning forks?
Yeah. But you just don't randomly get it. There are certain companies that sell on Amazon that are the way to go. Right. So, like what. So the thing about it is, is, remember, all kind. Whenever something is popular, there's going to be somebody out there who just tries to make it cheap and, you know, price point it and not use the right materials and things of that nature. So it's one of those kind of things to where, I mean, it would take us an entire, you know, deal to go over, you know, who, what and why and how the selection.
I'll Tell you what, after we finish this interview, if you send me links to any of this stuff that you like or any of the things that we talk about, I'll put them in the show. Notes for folks. Perfect. So. BenGreenfieldFitness.com Beck2 for those of you who are writing things down furiously, you can stop, you can just enjoy and listen. That's a pretty elaborate morning routine. So are you also, you know, a lot of people will use things like niacin for example, or other supplements before they do light therapy or before they do sauna. Do you have like, like a morning supplementation protocol or a pre sauna supplementation protocol you'd use?
I, I do everything is, is, is rhythmic. It just depends. In my summer, my fall, spring or winter, I choose frequencies and substances based upon that. All the way from niacin to nicotine to methylene blue. Just a whole variety of things. It just depends. In other words, what I want to do with my body at the time because. And also time of day. So I use the term micronages, right? So you have the cycle of the year and you have the cycle of the day, of the light, and then you also have the cycle within your body of your membrane. Permeability changes throughout the day. It's not always static. And then the other thing is, that's reflective of, you know, what you eat. So there are some, there's an algorithm that I have in balance protocol you are at, in that micronidger continuum. And then I base it upon that anywhere from, you know, nad to just a bunch of different things. It just depends upon where I'm at and what I want to do. Certain things I'm certainly not going to do in the evening time. Because you don't want to artificially upregulate systems biology. That is, let's say in the evening time in the anabolic phase, like something.
Something, something like a bioidentical hormone or something anabolic. You wouldn't take that in the evening.
Correct. Or anything that, you know, causes your, your, your cell membranes to, to close. Right. So in the, so in other words, their, their cortisol, you know, governs the morning and of course melatonin, you know, rules the night. Right. So there are, there are competing pathways. Not.
Oftentimes take things based upon the premise of what it is, but it's more than that. In other words, just like I use the example, you know, wheat is more than gluten. Right. And you know, I mean, even cauliflower has nicotine in it. People don't know that. But the thing about it is it's dose dependent and so it's more, it's more complex. In other words, I wish there was always a simple answer. I have the dubious honor of being that guy that, you know, it's always, you know, yes and no. Maybe there too go for, you know, it's one of those kind of things. So my routine through the day is not the same year round. It changes.
Okay, now you use the term micro ninjas. Is that how you said it?
Yeah, that's, that's my way of saying a frequency within a frequency.
Like micro nages. N A G E S. Yep.
Micronages.
I'm familiar with that term. Interesting.
Yeah, that's my, it's Beck 101.
Okay, so when you're, when you're determining what kind of supplements to take during certain seasons, etc, and what kind of foods to eat during certain seasons, are there good resources out there for people like, like any good books that delve into how to kind of like structure your diet or structure your supplementation program based on time of day or the time of season?
No, there's not, unfortunately.
Wow. Okay, well, well, are there any kind of like, besides avoiding like cortisol producing compounds or anabolic compounds at night and instead choosing more relaxing parasympathetic based compounds, which seems pretty intuitive. Are there any other hard and fast rules when it comes to eating seasonally or supplementing seasonally or supplementing according to these, these cell cycles in the way you've described?
Yeah, yes and no. See again. So that way. So in other words, some of the hard rules is where you've determined you are at, makes the determination. So the patient's unique story, their biochemical individuality and genetic uniqueness. So that makes all the difference, you know, in the world. But here's the thing, like I'll give you an example. So we have catabolic phase from 4:00am to 4:00pm and then we go anabolic, generally speaking from about 4:00pm back to 4:00am so that's, that's when it, the, the two shifts. But some people are inverted and so they, they are anabolic in the morning and catabolic in the evening based upon their current status. And that's what you need to know because I have a rule of what I say is meeting the patient where they are. Because you just can't assume that. You can say, I don't. I never like taking something for something or taking something that does something. Well, that's a big, what I call Floating matzo ball out there. Right. You know, you got to think about it, that you're presupposing that the body has the ability to receive it. Right. It's like me playing tuning forks, you know, on somebody, you know, who's in body armor or a dog bite suit, and you're impeding it. Okay. So in other words, you're presupposing. So my thing is, I do like certain ideals that are out there, but I'm not dogmatic. So in other words, as the light cycle starts to shorten in the day and the temperature goes down, you need to eat differently when the light cycle is longer. That's when you can and should eat things, typically. But it depends upon where you're starting. If you're already ill and have been out of balance and you've got, you know, dysfunction in systems, you have to find out where you are there and pull somebody out of it. What I call you a clinical bridge. You just can't go, okay. You just instantly start giving them anabolic things in the evening, and that pushes them out of animalism. You can actually keep them there.
Okay, what would be a few examples of anabolic things you'd avoid in the evening?
Well, any. The thing about it is, is you're. You're gonna. When I use the term anabolic versus catabolic, it's a situation where it might be a little bit different than other people hear about things. So it just depends upon where you're at. So, like, for instance, if a person is more catabolic, we call that a disarbic imbalance. Okay. So that means that they have too much fatty acids in their cell membranes and not enough sterols.
Okay, got it.
Right. So the thing about. Right, so if someone's versus the opposite of that is. Is anaerobic. So anaerobic people, imbalances. They have too many sterols relative to fatty acids. You know, quite frankly, I see that more and more today. Everybody's on the Paleo bandwagon. That whole narrative of, you know, cavemen and ancestral. And everybody has room for their opinion. But my point is, is this. If you consume all these saturated fats, which are wonderful, they're not harmful, they're not, like, gonna give you heart disease. And none of those narratives. Listen, I love coconut and avocado and red palm oil just like anybody else.
Yeah.
But if that's.
I mean, my breakfast right now, while we're talking, as we're not to. Not to delve down too deep a distracting rabbit hole, but I'm literally sipping melted coconut manna mixed with drinking chocolate chaga mushroom and some decaffeinated coffee. So I've, I'm literally just, just drinking up some coconut, man, as we're talking.
And that's delicious, man. I could slap that on as an aftershift. The thing is, is, my point is, is if you do that over time, especially through the spring and summer, you will tend to shift your, your cell membranes into a hypo permeable state. So what happens is, is you're, you're, you're making them too rigid. And so then now minerals say calcium won't efflux correctly and the rigidity is.
Due to the type of fats that you're eating or the quantity of those fats.
Both.
Okay, so what you're saying is that in the, in the hotter seasons, or I suppose this would even be the case for like an athlete who has traveled to a different latitude and is, and is training or racing in a hot environment, you'd actually want to shift away from a high saturated fat intake or like the eggs and bacon for breakfast type of thing and shift more into like, got it. Cooling foods like raw vegetables and fruits and things of that nature.
Nailed it. So that's what I'm saying. So your geographic location is a micronage. So you have multifactorial things to, you know, conduct the symphony. So my point is, is how I eat or how I work with just, you know, patients, because I work a lot, of course, with you know, just everyday folks and entrepreneurs principally and you know, business owners and that kind of fun stuff. And so, you know, they're on the go. So their story also has a play into it. What's your environment for hours of the day and at what times of the day? So there's all these factors that come in the decision making matrix is what I'm saying. So, you know, like a lot of people say all the PUFAs are bad, right? Well, that's because they tend to be.
Very dog Polyunsaturated fatty acids.
Correct. And they think that, you know, by default they're all there to, you know, harmful. And that's just not true. I use PUFAs to correct people's metabolics all the time. Sometimes I have to give people sources of arachidonic acid from like say corn. What you're having people eat corn or corn oil. Well, not soaked in acetone, high temperature solvent extracted. Right. But whole food, in other words, working in things like blue corn chips or non gmo, different sources and Things like that, plus other things. Right. So in other words, you have to know what your cell membrane composition is made up of for you to determine what fat is best for you at your given time. Matching all your micronages of year, light cycle behavior, environment, hemisphere, all these things.
Is there any research behind this?
There's tons. So some of the works that I've studied for all of this, particularly membranes, is Revichi. Good old Revichi. And I have Ravichi. Ravichi. How do you spell R? Just like it sounds. R, E, V, I, C, I. Yeah, just like.
Like a Southern doctor would say it. Are you talking about Dr. Revici?
Well, yeah, yeah, he was a doctor.
Okay.
Yeah. So just R E, V, I, C I.
Okay. All right, cool. Got it. So this is the guy who did studies on, like, the response of membrane cell membranes to different intake of lipids.
Correct. And curing cancers with attaching certain minerals to said fatty acids. Because you gotta understand, most people, unfortunately, get very scientific and they get tunnel vision, what I call very dogmatic. And the problem is, is it completely obfuscates the biochemical individuality and genetic uniqueness of the patient. And I understand. We'll study, you know, rhesus monkeys and rats and people in different, you know, people in different regions of the world. And we'll say, oh, their diet is great for them, and they're centurions, therefore I should eat that way. No, sir. You know, I'm Irish through and through. Okay. And I live in Florida. Okay. And, you know, all these things your audience is familiar with what's going on with mitochondria and, you know, heteroplasmy and all these other factors. But to just say that those substances are harmful is very obtuse because you don't know where you're at. And it's the missing link. Why so many people, you know, are they spin their wheels and go, I'm doing all these things right. Based upon what's out there and what's healthy. But they didn't determine is it healthy for them. And then it's not static. And it's not static. It changes, you know, latitude, altitude, all of it. It all makes a big difference.
Yeah, that's really interesting. I know, because I've talked to some of the people you've coached that you do, like, change their diet and stuff based on where they travel. So that's super interesting. By the way, this Dr. Revici guy, there's a book about him called the Doctor who Cures Cancer. I'll link to it in the show notes. But it's very interesting. It says he made the bones grow back in cancer patients, restored health to AIDS patients, drug addicts and alcoholics. His medicines lifted debilitating migraines in as little as three minutes. And then, like, the jama, the Journal of the American Medical association, like, totally shoved him under the bus and published a bunch of false reports about his work. The American Cancer Society blasted him, and there was, like, this big smear campaign to knock out his stuff. I'm gonna send this book to my Kindle. Dude, I gotta check this out.
It's a really good read. It doesn't give the actual work. You have to kind of have an inside scoop on that. And I've got it. I'm more than happy to share that with you, Ben. I'll give you my archive if you want, but it just takes a lot. It's not something I can share the link.
Send me what you got. Knock me out.
I know you read books like me.
Well, actually, what I've been doing these days is I curl up in my sauna in the evening because I save all my physical. My paper stuff till the evening, because I go. No screen time at night, so no Kindle. No. No phone or anything like that. So when I send a book like this to my Kindle, what I do is I preview it. And if I nod my head and I'm saying, hell, yes as I'm previewing it, then I order the paper version. And then what I do at night is I lay out in my infrared sauna. And typically, I have one of these acupressure mats in there that'll lay back on with a little pillow. And I'll pump those whole tone sounds while I lay back and read. And I have a little vaporizer in there, so I'll vape teas and organic tobacco and a little bit of, like, an indica marijuana and just sit there and read and highlight and underline. So I'm generally, like, digesting material for a good hour every night. And they're sweating things out these days.
And that's amazing. See, that's what I'm saying is you've got these different inducements that you can do at different times. And for other people, that routine might not be beneficial. Right. It just depends. You got to always remember that you are a category of one. Everybody is a single entity. So that's. That's my shtick, if you will, for everything on every topic. Like the stuff that I've always mentioned, like your Facebook posts and different things of that nature, you know, you got to remember who you are, and that is have your own current status. And it makes all the difference in the world as well. There's something even, even in the realms of something else we talked about was like, you know, like ph and things of that nature. Right?
Yeah. I wanted to ask you, you about that. And to set the background, I posted that I drink Pellegrino. Like if I'm gonna buy glass bottled water when I'm traveling, I go for Pellegrino because it actually has a higher mineral concentration and a higher pH, more alkalinity than does like Perrier. Like a lot of people don't realize a lot of these bottled waters have different pHs. Then you jumped in on that post and you said the PH of water doesn't matter at all. So what do you mean by that? And why is it that you shouldn't even worry about the PH of the water that you drink?
Well, here's the thing. So I wouldn't say it's so cut and dry like that. My point is this. It was something having to do with mineral water or, excuse me, seltzer water. Just be correct here. Seltzer water being bad for your teeth. Okay, well, first of all, seltzer water, in other words, something like you put in a soda stream, high carbonic acid water. Like if you take a. Like what I do, okay, so I have a RO system, but I remineralize the water and with just a little bit depending upon how I'm going to do it. And then I put in my soda stream and I put a high carbonic acid in. So then now what we have is, is a high carbonic acid seltzer water. But then if I add a little bit of magnesium hydroxide powder to it, that carbonic acid now converts the water, the hydroxide, which would, you know, milk and magnesia, which makes you blow your butt out to magnesium bicarbonate. So if you put it on a spectrum analysis, all the minerals are the same. You just don't know what moiety it was. This is the thing that people are missing. The example I use is the same thing, is if you take a cell phone, you got all kinds of apps and phone numbers, data, like tangible, literal information. You've seen the guy who puts it in a, in a Blendtec or a Vitamix and turns a cell phone into powder, right? So if we measure that powder, we put that in a mass spec, we can find out what minerals and everything that's in it. Rare earth minerals, stuff like that. But you have no way of knowing what data was in it.
Okay, gotcha.
But the data was there, correct? All right, so my point is, water that is like seltzer water or carbonated soda or something like that, you know, Schweppes Canada Dry, if you will, is not the same as a Pellegrino. That is, yes, carbonated, but also now has a higher total dissolved solid. But then you also have to go to another Micronesia. Okay, let's say it's a 1200 total dissolved solid Pellegrino. Well, what's the principal minerals in it? Is it more magnesium? Is it more sulfur? Is it more potassium? So. So again, each water is different. My point is, is this. No matter what the water is, and the total dissolved content in your body still has to change that water. Just like every food you consume to your resonant frequency, it has to turn it into you. It has to tune it. Because you just can't. The body can't just. That's why nothing that goes in the hooter comes out the tutor looking anything like it. Except for, you know, corn or something, right? So the thing about it is, your body has to transform it into you.
Corn, carrots, and pumpkin seeds. That's usually what I'll sometimes see in my. In my crap if I've been eating too fast, right?
So I call it the poke and choke. But the thing is, that's what I'm saying. So the ph matters to a degree. But if you go and force these, like, electrocuted waters into your stomach, you now are shifting ph of 9, sometimes 10, down to.
You mean water that's been through like an alkalinized filter, like a countertop, like a Nikan or a Kangen or something like that?
Exactly. So you are artificially making water alkaline. In order to do that, the water can't be devoid. It can't be like, say, reverse osmosis. It actually has to have minerals in it, right? Because you have to split the anions and the cations. So this is why those machines will actually give you drops and add bleach to it. Chloride and also salt. So that way it can split the streams. And so now through the plates. And now you have an artificial high pH water. But here's the thing. Your cells can't take that in. Your body has to harmonize it. It has to tune it to you. And when we use numbers, like in the ph scale of like, say 8 to the stomach of a 2, 3. Those are little numbers. Oh, 2, 3. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Well, listen, those are orders of magnitude that are massive. Your body already shifts things from the ph of the stomach to that to empties out into the duodenum or the duodenum. Right. So it empties, it goes out of the stomach, goes on top of the small intestine, and then now all the alkaline bile and pancreatic secretions have to come in there and now shift its ph hugely bigly. Okay. It's gotta really make that big shift. So the point is, is that happens for a reason. And it determines that the tuning, the. One of the. It's actually the secondary tuning. First tuning happens in the mouth and your saliva, but the second one happens in the stomach and then the third happens in that little junction.
How is it the mouth tunes water? You're not actually referring to the idea of enzyme rich saliva? Are you talking about the actual electrical frequencies of the body changing the frequency of the water?
Both.
Okay.
The saliva is rich in some stuff. So whoever you're swapping spit with, you better be selective because there's a lot of information in that space.
Can you describe that to people? Like this idea of information? Because this also relates to this. When I race, I have a few little bottles of this oral IV in my fuel belt, which I know you helped to invent. And I know that has to do with embedding frequencies into water too. And some people find this to be pretty woo. But can you just kind of give me an overview of how it is that your body could change the information in water or that the information in water could be changed?
Yeah. So light is just a writable device. You know, it's a liquid crystal, you know. You're familiar with our friend Jerry's work. You know Dr. Pollock.
Yeah. Dr. Gerald Pollack, I interviewed him.
Yeah, Jerry's the bomb, man. I just. He's another guy. Just want a kiss on the cheek. And the thing about it is, is he is his work is a good platform to understand this. But what I let people understand is, is that when you put something into the body, it has to make it at its frequency for it to be harmonized or it just creates a net negative effect. Okay. And oftentimes the body can't do that. Sometimes we want it to. Because, you know, you mentioned hormesis a lot of times too. But the point is, when you put something into your mouth, all kinds of enzymes and hormones begin to meld into and come into congruency with anything that you eat. Which is why we want to fully, you know, masticate, we want to really chew, eat, you know, where your mindset is and what your, where your environment is is also going to, you know, determine how your body receives that food too. So you know, we do labs with saliva, right, you know, all kinds of, you know, hormone spit test. So it's in there, it's metabolically active with all these informatic molecules we call hormones and neurotransmitters. But there's enzymes and there's minerals, just a ton of things, and there's microbes. Microbes also help us tune things. So you have to realize that the impact happens in there. There is a component. Okay, but the whole take home here, where I was going with this is, is that you gotta be mindful of how your body has to exert an energy in order to do that tuning. And that comes from your mineral status. It's hugely minerals, other things that are on the periodic table of elements.
So that's what does it. So in other words, your body starts to tune it and activate things in the mouth and then it preps it for the stomach. The stomach's already getting its information on what to put into to receive this food from that signal. Then you swallow it, then it responds even further. And then as it's doing its magical chemistry in there, it starts signaling to the intestines and letting it know what's coming through the pipeline.
So it's a whole system. And the point is you got to be mindful of all of that. And again, everybody's different. It even comes into.
Your food too, if you're a secretor or non secretor.
Okay, so basically the big picture is that when it comes to the teeth, the PH of the water doesn't matter that much because you have salivary enzymes that will adjust the ph right after you consume it. However, for the entire body, you do have to take into account the mineral status of the water that you're consuming, as well as the actual frequencies, like how, how many metal plates it's passed over, whether it's been sitting in an aquifer. And this would be a situation in which doing things like adding minerals to water, structuring water, exposing water to sunlight, doing a lot of these things to improve the ability of water to hydrate and pass through the cell membrane would be what you'd want to do.
And because there's a lot of channels, you gotta go in the mouth, down to the stomach, out of the stomach, into the intestines, out of the intestines, into the blood, out of the blood into the intercystidial space, out of that intersystidial space into the cell membrane, out of the cell membrane into the mitochondrial membrane. You see, there's all these doors. So the only way you're moving molecules is with mineral energy. And if you are, you have a finite amount of that. And if you are consuming a lot of high alkaline or low acidic ph things over time, based upon your mineral status, your body gets taxation over time. Now, I'm not saying those waters don't have clinical bearing. They do, right? This is why people would pay. Oh man, it did all the difference for me. But you gotta know when to take the exit. I mean, I love zip lining, but after a while I'm just like, whew, that's enough. You know what I'm talking about? I'm a kiteboarder. So I'm like, after a few spills, I'm like, oh, that's fine, or whatever. Then I'm like, okay, I'm done. So it's this, it's the balanced understanding of that. So you do want to always have a high quality water free of bad things and pollutants in it. You do want to have minerals in it. And then that mineral and water, you want to make it cohesive. You know, we want to make it, make it, you know, together, not clustered. That's a, that's a false term. We want a cohesive lattice. We don't want clustered water. And we want, you know, to have the body be able to use it where it needs to and work on the function of it. So food does that. And of course, anything that you drink now, if you're consuming like say Coca Cola and you keep bathing that over your teeth over time. Over time, and holding it in there and not, you know, eating any food, it does stay in there. And then that can harm teeth over time. Okay, but a seltzer water is what that original post was. No, it's just you'd be hard pressed to demineralize the teeth drinking seltzer water. That was the point.
Okay, gotcha.
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Yeah, yeah. No, not at all. And not only just not the bandwagon. Again, it's a dogmatic thing. There's a lot of things out there. And again, let me just be clear so that way I don't be misread because, you know, I tell people, you know, it's a whole different ballgame. I don't ad hominem anybody, but we can talk in scientific terms and premise. It just has never panned out in clinical practice for me. I've never seen it.
It's a tenant. I get it can sound sexy and romantic that we don't. That plants don't want us to eat them, therefore they create these lectins, therefore we should not eat them. Well, I don't know. If that's the case, then we are most miserable because lectins are just absolutely ubiquitous. And I know he talks about that in the book too. But the thing is, I don't believe that plants know or have the emotion of not eating. There are survival mechanisms and things that like, like that. I mean, down south, if we, if we have a fruit tree that's not growing, we prune the hell out of it and then we beat the hell out of it with a two by four. Right? And then the next year it grows back, we have a whole bunch more fruit. So it responds to the.
What you do. You beat the hell out of it with a two by four.
Yeah, you hit it. You hit the trunk and all the branches. You just not like the hell out of it. But we say it because, you know, we always say that you don't beat the hell out of it. So we're just, we hit it pretty good. Knock, knock, knock the tree. Knock tree. After you've pruned it. And you do this, you know, in the wintertime, come springtime, you'll have a big boost of growth and you'll have more, more fruit, it'll bear more fruit. Because there is an intelligence to plants. Okay, they do want to reproduce. But to expand that to the lectins, having this, you know, alternative agenda inside of us, I just haven't seen that ever pan out because of how I monitor my patients, you know, broadly across systems biology. I haven't seen that. Sometimes, you know, wheat and all its, you know, agglutinins and it's, it's, you know, you got saponins and you got lectins and all these little molecules, which is fun in the marketing spin of, you know, ant quote unquote anti nutrients. But that presupposes that the patient, it would be.
Inappropriate for the patient. Some patients, we heal them.
Now, what would you, what would you test to find out if someone was actually getting damaged by consuming lectins? When you say you're testing the biology, you brought that up a few times about how you test. I'm curious what kind of tests you run on your patients. Like what gets you the most bang for your buck from your patients? And especially in addition to that two part question, here we go. How would you test for lectin damage or whether or not those are causing issues?
Yeah, so I'm an upstreamist, so I want to look at systems biology and what's its function at this time. So you want to assess multiple systems, not just go, oh, that's a cool test, I'll do that. You know, I feel like I got a hormone imbalance. Let me do a Dutch, oh, I have a GI problem. Let me do a Zonulin test. So the narrative is, if you really want to be serious about status, you have to look at all the systems because they all eat out of the same refrigerator and they all crap in the same toilet. Right. All your cells grow up together in the same neighborhood. So you need to know what they're all doing together, not individually. So my assessment is always broad, you know, and it depends upon different factors in the patient's care, you know, finances and everything's come into play. But if they have a principal GI complaint, of course I want to do a stool analysis and there's various ones for that it depends. We always start with their story. We listen to what's going on, what their complaints are and what their history is, and then we determine how deep we have to go. But as a standard workup, you do want to do a stool test. You want to find out the microbiome and what's going on in there. Right. So you always wanna know where you're gonna be dumping things and capacity of the pancreas to respond.
And ifif somebody gets a stool test, where would you see if lectins were an issue?
Okay, so the thing about it is, is you don't have to determine if it's lectin specifically. See, that's the thing. That's a misdirection. That's thethe oz behind the curtain kinda thing. You look and see what is the status of the tube. Right. Do we have elevated Pancreatic Elastase or PE1? Right. Do we have elevated, you know, eosinophil protein X? Do we have high beta glucuronidase? Are there a whole bunch of triglycerides and phospholipids and cholesterol, you know, coming out in the, in the stool? Which means.
And those would be all markers like leaky gut or inflammation, right?
They could be, absolutely. You know, and the thing is, is, you know, we, we can test for zonulin. I already, I automatically assume if somebody has a chronic condition that they have some level of leaky gut. Anyways, I don't need to do that same thing when it comes to sibo. And a lot of people are used to that approach because they want to, they want to have a diagnosis, you know, the name it, blame it, you know, claim it, tame it, game. They want to have it called some. Oh, I have sibo. So then they do the breath test or different things like that. Well, I'm going to support it anyways. So some of those tests that are specific, like say a methane and hydrogen breath test and a zonulin, I'm not really looking at that, not initially. So you want. So you don't have to look at lectin as the offending agent. You look at the biological terrain, you take a look at the tube across the board.
And so if somebody is eating lectin, rich foods, they're eating the tomatoes without peeling and deseeding them, they're perhaps having wheat or oats or rye or barley or spelt. And you do a test and you're not seeing any signs of gastric inflammation and you're not seeing any signs of, of, of gastric distress or bacterial imbalances, then you don't really worry about it.
Roger that. That's relatively true.
Now, do you, do you still personally do things like soak and, and ferment and pay attention to the actual preparation method to deactivate? You know, like, for example, wheat. Right. Like we always ferment our wheat. We make sourdough and we choose it like a non GMO wheat and, and fermented if we're going to eat wheat. Like, do you take those steps or, or do you not worry about that?
I do. I love legumes, but only when I'm in fast oxidation.
So what do you mean?
Well, legumes are a high purine food. They have a higher nucleotided proteins. It's different. And again, you got to understand, it's not just the lectin, it's just like, okay, well what about all the lycopene in the tomato seeds in the skin? Remember how good and wonderful that is? See, the thing is, is you got to look at the context of the patient of what you're getting with it or not. So my point is, yes, I always properly consume legumes. I'm not gonna eat raw legumes. You can actually get really sick from that. And it's not just the lectins. Lectin is part of that picture. But properly prepared, soaked, strained off, you know, pressure, cooked or cooked, slow and slow, over time, it becomes more beneficial. However, the thing is, is there are some people that too much of that protein moiety, that source, is contraindicated to how their body fuels itself. We're talking about another one I call the fundamental allostatic control. So you got a glucogenic imbalance versus ketogenic imbalance. Some people call it fast oxidizer, slow oxidizer. But there's a ton of misinformation out there on those two terms. So if you google those two terms and there's a couple offenders websites out there that are just awful, this is when you can start getting it. And that was another, another great book, I'll give you one is nutrition and your mind by George Watson. Watson, nutrition, your mind. He's the guy who came up with those two terms. He's a psychiatrist.
Fast oxidizer and slow oxidizer, that's. Those are the terms he came up with.
You got it.
Okay.
So anyways, he basically, real quick on that was he saw patients with all kinds of different mental disorders. Depression, bipolar, schizophrenia. And his postulate was they were eating Things incorrect for their current metabolic status. And when he determined their metabolic status, he then made their food selection based upon that and they had a complete reversal of symptoms. Right? So again, there's different micronages that have to come into play. So when it comes to legumes, they are nutrient dense, they're fantastic. They're great for fast oxidizers. Okay, Slow oxidizers, not so much. But people say, but they're loaded with these nutrients. That's great. But they're more than just the nutrients. They're loaded with their tangible thing. Does that make sense? It's how your body so in the same thing, when it comes to fermented. I love fermented foods, okay? But certain fermented foods, like if you have, let's say I was talking about that anabolic imbalance, right? You're overly acidic, you need to avoid fermented foods regardless of the status of your tubes.
Not for life, but while you're in a very acidic state, Boom.
That's what I'm talking about. So if you have too much Omega 3s because you're trying to eat a whole bunch of seafood and all that stuff, which is wonderful by the way.
And you have low saturated fat in your diet and you have an anabolic imbalance, you can't, you shouldn't be eating fermented foods. You shouldn't be eating butter or cream or cheese either. But what you need is like cod liver oil, flaxseed, hemp and CBD by the way. It's perfect for those. So just like that, CBD is not the panacea for some people. It's terrible. Like I can't do it because I have a 2D6 snip. I can't.
What's that mean?
So you know your cytochrome P450 system, your phase one detoxification.
First pass, right? So in other words, if you all, all substances are cleared through those enzymes, remember on that journey to become you, your body has all these stop loss gaps and one of them are the cytochromes and they're called cytochrome P450s because they maximum absorption of light frequency at 450 nanometers. What? Another tidbit, which is the spike on your TV and your cell phone. So that's the reason why that literally the light frequency coming through your eyes and on your skin at 450 nanometers disrupts detoxification enzymes. But the thing about it is, so if you have, you know, like mthfr, right? That's A famous one out there.
Right.
People respond to folate and B12 differently based upon that. Well, it gets all kinds of press. But.
Your other ones, like your 2D6, where we clear different medications and psychedelics and cannabis from if you have impaired clearance genetically, that substance, though it is clinically and therapeutically beneficial on the premise, might be contraindicated for you or you might need a different dose. Does that make sense? So that's what I mean by micronages. And it's this, it's the. There's multiple things that come into play. So we have to determine is a what, what, where? What is the patient's unique status? Okay. What is their status of electrolytes and minerals?
And if somebody wanted to actually look at, let's say, their genetic testing results from 23andMe, you said the one that they look at to see how a gene would affect the response to cannabis.
You say it's CYP, Cytochrome P450.
Okay, right.
Is the name of the system. So it's 2D6. I can tell you the gene location if you want.
Yeah, because that's easy to search for. For people. Right on.
Okay, so if you go to your 23andMe, you go up and you hit raw data and you want to just type in Romeo Sierra or RS 1135840.
RS 1135840.
So, okay, cool.
I'll put that in the show notes for those of you who want to do that, who want to look into that.
And there's another one real quick is Rs106 5852. So there's different alleles within the thing. So it's on the 19th chromosome and you want to take a look and see if you have a SNP there. You know, is it, you know, CG or is it CC or gg? Right. So you got to know that. So my point is, just like mthfr, there's all kinds of other genetically encoded first pass phase one detoxification that determines what the substance does in you. We can't just say fermented foods have a benefit across the board. Lectins are bad across the board. You know, PUFAs are bad across the board. That's not true. All of those things can be beneficial and they can be harmful. It depends upon the patient. You have to know what your status is at the time to really get the deep biohack. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
So that's okay. And it's a complicated thing I hate to make. I Wish I could just give it snippet. This is why we have, you know, wonderful, you know, light givers like you, you know, letting people know. These are all the things I'm giving you. Tools. I'm experimenting with these. I'm showing you what that N equals one looks like. You know, this works for me. It might not work for you. Right. You're not dogmatic. And that's what I love about you. Right. You say, I'm going to just guinea pig all these things for you guys and, you know, cut through the BS and then say, hey, this warrants more questioning. Or. Here.
Sure. Even though it gets expensive after talking to guys like you, because I got to go out and buy freaking, like, Thor beds. Hey.
Yeah, geez. Well, I'll sell some stuff. I'll. I'll convince my wife. Yeah. Tell her she can buy some shoes if I can buy a Thor bed. You've also posted. Because I want to make sure I get a chance to ask you about this. This is kind of a controversial post on. On my website. And that was this idea about shrooms, and somebody was talking about shrooms and how they were so into shrooms and how shrooms would change their life, et cetera. And you piped in. You had some pretty strong thoughts on shrooms. So what. What are your. What are your thoughts on. On shrooms?
Well, just like anything else, there's good.
As in. As in magic mushrooms. Not Rishi and Chaga, but. But actual mushrooms that a lot of people are using for, you know, for increased neurogenesis or, you know, psychedelic status. Yeah. Ptsd, all that kind of stuff.
Sure. Well, you know, the thing is this again, you'll never catch me being duplicitous. I think everything is on the board. Okay, this is mean. I'll kind of give you my steadfast rules in the sense that if it doesn't make you take. Have diarrhea, throw up, intoxicate you. Right. It's able to be eaten. There you go. Because how did. How did people determine things, right? Like, oh, man, that just blew out my butt. Better not do it. Oh, this one, you know, just made me emesis vomit. Oh, don't want to eat that. That's poisonous. Oh, this one just gave me a trip. Might not want to do that. But then some people go, well, hold on a minute. That was a cool trip. I just had a spirit journey that just opened me up to some things. So my point is, they can be a very useful tool. And quite frankly, you didn't know this but so I'm collaborating with a physician now to set up clinical.
Application of psychedelics. So we've got a place down in Nassau, Bahamas where things, the laws are different and we're doing some work here in the States. So you can leverage DMT and ketamine and different things like that for different things to unlock a certain situation for a patient. So in a clinical setting, I think it's a great thing. Non clinical setting, it can be a little bit different. But people would say, well, if I'm in a sweat lodge with a shaman and we're doing things right, or I'm down in the Amazon doing some aya and different things, that's a clinical setting. Might not be what usually is clinical setting because you wear a lab coat and stethoscope sometimes. Actually, I don't wear it anymore. It's a different kind of deal. My point is, as the, as the world around us gets very rough, we don't have to get into all the political and religious things that are, that are plaguing the planet now. But the thing about it is people are going to be looking for, and do look for.
What I call. They basically are experience shopping. Right? They want to, they want to experience something.
Right. It's very trendy.
Yeah.
Dht, ayahuasca, people doing these things like you know, every month or so, you know, microdosing with LSD every three days. You know, there's a lot of that going on.
And listen, if you want to do that, knock yourself out, but you know, that's, that's your, your own choice and freedom. Just don't expect other people to, you know, pay for the possible negative consequences.
Right. What bio. Cause what you said on my page, you saw severe aberrations to neurotransmitters, methylation pathways, liver enzyme function, kidney function, blood sugar metabolism, sleep cycles, libido and mitochondrial function in people who were frequently using shrooms. So how are you actually quantifying that? That's not a stool test, right?
No, sir. So we're gonna see that in blood and organic acids. Okay, now let me just be clear. If somebody, I'm gonna even call it, it wants to experiment with magic mushrooms and have a trip. Okay. Are you gonna, are you gonna die? No, that just really doesn't happen. Okay, I get it. The safety profile on them singularly like that and you know, with, with prudence, it's really not that bad. But if people have situations and status in their emotions and their mindset to where they're seeking, you know, disconnect from that by using these activ substances that have a tremendous power.
If you do it without thanksgiving and prudence and direction and what you can do with what things get revealed to your, you know, to yourself consciously and you just do it because of the fact that you're just wanting to experience it. Well, that's going to come to a detriment over time, especially if you don't know like what we talked about, like say your cytochrome P450 Stan status, okay? Because like for instance, five methoxy DMT, right? Little, you know, in the little toad lick, right? So if, if we hit that or the patient hits that, it is a substance that must be cleared through this cytochrome P450 system. Right? Which is why we usually have to, you know.
In, in different ceremonies you're going to mix in some ayahuasca. You're going to do maybe some tobacco, right? Or some, there's different combinations depending upon, you know, where you're at, right? So some harmaline. So because in order to get like say the 5 hydroxy DMT experience, you have to block the MAO, right? Well, some people already have an impaired MAO, right? Some people have a deficient COM T just like an MTHFR. So the COM T metabolizes.
DMT. And if you're, your 2D6 is impaired and you're taking, then there's a range of dose and you're not working in a clinical setting and there's not a lot of measurement. You're just kind of going on what we give everybody the same amount of this in the little bowl, we brew it or extra. There's different things and you don't know your body's capacity to metabolize this stuff and you repeat it over time. I have seen countless times people's methylation cycles and liver enzymes get impaired. Because when you look at the science, I'm familiar with the science, they show, like I said, a safety record.
So I'm not here to scare people of them, right? But you got to think about it, you know, source, form, dose, frequency and duration, how much you use, how often and over time. And then of course, if you're not eating a healthful diet, right, to support what the impact was in your body and then you rinse, lather and repeat and experience it again, you're going to put taxation. It's the same thing that all kinds of medications do. I mean, it's the same problem with, you know, antidepressants, right? And you know, and those medications I Mean, it's the. It's the third most prescribed category of drug in the United States, antidepressants. So second being, you know, anti lipidemic, and the first one being analgesic or pain meds, right? So all three of those top meds have to be processed and metabolized. Just look at the drug monograph, and they'll tell you what cytochrome and the pharmacology of it. What, cytochrome P450, it's cleared through. So if you don't know what your cytochrome status is, you might get more of that drug or less of that drug than anybody else that you're getting that dose. This is now why we have this term out there, precision medicine, you know, because they're doing genetic testing now, more mainstream and conventional, because they're going, oh, well, what's the difference between needing a 20 milligram or a 40 or a 100 of a drug drug? Right. It's kind of like aspirin, right? You know why baby aspirin? What is this? You know, 83 milligrams. What is that? Well, because 100 will make you bleed, and 60 doesn't work, right? So there's a dose. So that's my point. When it comes to psychedelics, they're very useful, but you got to be prepared and have a game plan afterwards for unlocking that consciousness and different things that your mind shows you. Does that make sense?
Yeah, it makes sense. So it sounds to me like it's almost like this concept of a hedonistic calendar, like Jamie Wheel and Steven Kotler talked about when I interviewed them in their book Stealing Fire, about how many of these things should be limited in terms of their use and used in very specific situations with specific intentions. But it sounds to me like on top of that, what you're saying is that before you dive into some of these. These categories of psychedelics or other drugs, you need to understand the actual biochemical pathways via which they're metabolized, like, say, the cytochrome P450 pathway. And if you have deficits in that pathway, as could be determined via something like a urinary organic acids test.
That's right.
Then it might not be the best thing for you to do until you've sorted out those biochemical pathways.
Nailed it. That's my message. Right. It's not this or that. Yes or no. It's. How about we show how awesomely selective one status that you are? And the thing about it is, is, you know, in like, a urine, organic Acid pen. One of my other workups I do for every single patient is the Genova diagnostics Nutrival plasma, not the fmv. Okay, the plasma. Well, we know that if you want to take a look at.
Pathways of involvement of like say methylation status, right. You can take a look at methylmalonic acid in your urine and the FIG glue. Right. So the form of aminogluturic acid, FIG lu, FIGLU and mma. Okay. FIG LU is the metabolic marker for folate and MMA is that for B12. Okay. Then we have xanthrenic and kinurenix for B6. Then you also need a new RBC magnesium. So those principal ones, if someone has a. Let's just make a worst case scenario. Okay? So if I just go ahead and say if somebody has a situation where they have excessive levels of methylmalonic acid coming out in their urine, excessive levels of fig glue coming out, and they have an RBC magnesium of less than 4, you don't want to be putting those substances in right now. This is why balanced protocol. My program has three phases. Nourish, balance, purify, build yourself up. First, nourish your body, your mindset, your environment. Then start balancing things out. And the only way you're going to know if you qualify to do that or not is if you take a deeper quantification. Does that make sense?
Yeah, it makes perfect sense. So that's really eye opening to know that because a lot of people really are just popping these things without knowing if they're in the proper biochemical situation.
Here's the thing, brother. It's like that for all the nutraceuticals too. Whether it's nad or whether, you know, it's creatine or if it's a different protein or a nootropic or any of that stuff. And I think they all have their place in premise. But you need to know, right, you have different cooking instructions at altitude because we know water doesn't boil at the same temperature. If you're at 5,000ft, if you're up in Colorado or something like that, it's going to be different. If you smoke a doobie up at altitude versus down altitude for the same person, it's going to be different. Yeah, it's these different levels of micronids. You have to reconstruct your story. That's my message to people is you got to embrace yourself as a unique individual. All these things that you teach and you motivate and inspire people to do are phenomenal. They're tools. They're Strategies. Strategies. But finding out where your starting point is in that journey is what I suggest for everybody to do. And it takes some doing and it's not the simplest thing, unfortunately. I wish I could just, you know, give it to everybody, but it's not.
Yeah, yeah. So I've got one other question for you because I know, I know you're big into this idea of protecting the body from non native EMFs and the concept of electromagnetic fields kind of being an issue for the body. Now what do you personally do about that? How do you personally mitigate the effects? Because I know when I posted on my Facebook page about this idea of EMF blockers, Himalayan salt lamps and things like that, you seems to take issue with that. But I'm just curious what your thoughts are on these type of mitigation strategies a lot of people are using for things like WI fi and Bluetooth and emfs.
Yeah, well, the first thing is all those are foreign and they're not beneficial to the body. However, you can, if your status is strong, you can have a controlled burn. Okay. In other words, I use the cell phone. I don't ever put it in my head.
But, but you said you don't. But you said you don't use a headset, Correct?
I sure don't. I am not.
So how do you talk on your cell phone? Just on the speaker.
Yep. And I set it down. I'm not even holding it now. There are times where, you know, I'm out and about, my wife's at Disney with the princesses and I have to, you know, I have to keep it. I have to come up what I call the periscope down. I come off of airplane mode. I check and see if there's a thing. So we have, we have plans in place of when I need, when I need to break the guideline. Right. And so then if I am, I am walking around and she has a call and she's like, hey, honey, I'm stuck, or something like that. I want to do it. So I'm not like, oh my God, I never touched my cell phone. I don't ever put it to my head, no matter what. That's just not going to happen. But I keep it, it's on airplane mode all the time. Okay. And I just pop on from time to time, check and see if there's any messages and I go about my business. Right. So you, you don't want those energetic exposures that close to you because we're already a microwave planet. It's everywhere. Right. And so by the time, you know, we have more, it was actually happened in 2014, we have more devices that we do people on the planet. So it's everywhere. I mean, everything is smart. And all these devices in people's house and Bluetooth this, and then your impact indicators on, you know, I got a new truck and I gotta turn, go to the dealer and have them turn all that off. And the thing about it is, is, is I don't. I have what I call the 3D law, okay. And what I call disconnect. That's the only way to deal with these EMF bombs. That's it, disconnect. They shouldn't be on, don't have a source of them. Right. Second rule is distance. If you can't turn it off, create distance, right? So it's just like a tuning fork. If I hit it and hold it up to my cloaca, to my ear, it's going to be different than if I hit it and it's across the room. The frequency is still there, but the amplitude is less. Right. So you want distance. Third thing is, if you can't disconnect it and you got some distance and you can't really do that, is duration, keep it to a minimum, only do it when you have to do it. That's it. Because the only safe level is really zero.
So what do you think about. About these things that are like neutralizers, like pendants, or like certain devices that create frequencies that might mitigate some of the frequencies produced by the EMF radiating devices, you know, shields, cases, etc.
They're all erroneous. And I'm not just saying that dogmatically. I've tested them, I've bought them, I've busted them open and just see little packed in, little fingerprints mushed with clay. And the meters don't change.
And I haven't seen it do difference in Krillin photography. And I haven't seen a change in bioelectrical dermal screenings. Some people do the little dog and pony show with the applied kinesiology, but don't get me started on that. I'll probably piss off some of your audience, but it's okay. But anyways, in my clinical experience with multiple patients and myself putting it through its rules of rigorous, I have found them to do nothing. Now, if someone says, hey, work for me, then I go, well, congratulations. Rock on. But are you monitoring your repeatable, testable, quantifiable metabolic markers? If you're not, and you're just going on how you feel well then you're going to find yourself in a really bad place over time, 100% of the time.
Is there, is there a certain test or certain device you would use to test for these type of things?
Well, yeah, all the way from an RF meter like an acoustometer and a magnetic or a milligauss meter like the Alpha Labs UHS1. And then there's a.
Geiger counter. A lot. Some of these things actually are this, this clay that it's actually, it has their emitting.
Radioactivity. It's amazing.
Wow, interesting. So people are saying the acoustic meters one that you like. What's, what's the clay that you're talking about?
Well, it's. Which one was it? Was that the. I think it's called the Home Defender. It's this little gray plug and their whole shtick is there's this magic clay from somewhere that when you, when you, that's inside of this device and you, you pick the little three pronger in your thing and it then harmonizes the environment.
Spend 50 bucks, buy one, get your little flat screwdriver, bust that open and just look at the little, you know, ball of clay that's on the inside, stuck, you know, connected to the, the prongs on the inside. That's all it is.
Wow, I've never even heard of that. Interesting.
Well, here's.
Look it up.
Some people might say that about my like my hydration product or different things that I do. I get it. Don't believe me just because I tell you. I want everybody to challenge every single thing that anybody tells them. Because the best thing is firsthand clinical knowledge and quantification, regardless of what the tests out there say in the science. Because they lie, band boys. There are a lot of lies out there. Do it yourself. You know, and here's the thing. If you want one of these frequency generators, okay, great. But you gotta measure first. Find out, you know, by what matrix are you determining there was benefit. That's all I ask people to do is come up with a decision making matrix.
Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like the approach with quantification like that. So yeah, you. Between this and the previous podcast that I did with you where we covered a host of stuff, I know we really, we took a deep dive into water in the last show that I did with you. So for those of you listening in, just go to the show notes for this episode. I'll link over to that one. We only scratch the surface of the kind of stuff that Dr. Beck talks about. So I'LL link to his stuff over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Beck2 that's Beck, the number two. B, E, C K2. And I will also. I've been taking some notes and I'll put links to everything from like the, the tuning forks and the rubber mallet we talked about to the books and the research by Dr. Revici that Dr. Beck mentioned. The, the different labs that he talked about, and then also.
The resources. Anything else that Dr. Beck sends me after this episode, I'll put in there for you guys. In addition to that, if you have comments, you have questions, if you have feedback, that's the best place to do it. Go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Beck2 that's B, E, C K, the number two. And just leave your comments. Either Anthony or I will jump in and reply to what you have to say. And in the meantime, Anthony, thanks so much for coming on the show. Man, you're always a wealth of information.
Oh, man. And I love doing it. You're one of my absolute favorites. You're doing it right, and I send people to listen to you all the time. You're one of two folks that I really, you know, just have people go to. But you're the, you know, a principal there. And, you know, and that's the whole thing, man, is it's really super important for people to look at them at n equals 1. But then do it right, not just one thing at a time, and realize that your environment is everything, where it all comes from. You know, it's. It's the air you breathe and how you breathe, right? And you've had people on for that all the way from, you know, you know, HOF to oxygen advantage.
There's.
There's information out there, you know, for that. And then there's water, right? And then there's light, and then there's sound, and then there's emf and then there's food. I call those the six environmental inputs, right? So that's key number one of my particular program. So we really want to master those six things or everything else downstream is really kind of futile. Or at least get those going, right? Don't pick one that you just resonate with. Unfortunately, if you really want to get the best out of it, the best biohacking approach is you got to do all of those. It's the symphony. I know it's a lot. You don't have to take it overnight, but, you know, you got to do that. And oftentimes it does require somebody like me or you to help walk them through that, you know, and help guide them in that journey and mentor them a little bit. Because, because it can be arduous and the night is dark and full of terrors. There's all kinds of things.
It's dark and full of terrors.
That's right.
That's what I'll name this podcast. All right. Well, folks, thanks for listening in. We're out of time, but if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Beck, the number two, everything's in there. And in the meantime, Anthony, thanks so much for coming on the show today.
Thanks, Ben. Love you, brother.
All right, folks, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Anthony Beck signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com have an amazing week.
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