This is a podcast interview (Ben Greenfield) exploring historical and contemporary approaches to cancer treatment. The speakers describe an herbal remedy tea (containing burdock) prepared in stainless steel and an older nutritional protocol (the Budwig mixture: cottage cheese with flaxseed oil), note differences with modern adjuncts (GCMAF, PNC27, high-dose vitamin C), and discuss the metabolic theory of cancer — specifically tumor reliance on glycolysis/lactic acid production and hypoxia as possible drivers of growth.
So I flew over to Canada and got what I could from her.
Okay, so, yeah, I'm looking at her website. Was it. Was this Rene Quesa? Is that. Is this you're talking about? And this. This asic. It's like an herbal remedy tea comprised of. What's it have in it?
It's got various herbs in it. It definitely had burdock and other herbs in it. And you had to make it in a stainless steel.
You know, kitchenware. And it had to be made in a certain way. It had to be drunk. We then did something called budwick, which is cottage cheese with flaxseed oil, which was. So you're looking at very primitive old remedies at the time. All the stuff we have now wasn't there then. You know, nowadays people are using GC math, they're using PNC27, they're using various doses of vitamin C and other vitamins to help.
With the condition.
Now, I've talked a few times on podcasts before, and I don't want to spend our entire discussion talking about cancer because I want to delve into some of these other things that you do regarding soft tissue injuries and things of that nature. But this whole idea behind the metabolic theory of cancer, and there's even this book called Tripping over the Truth that goes into how one of the issues with cancer is simply a cell being induced into burning sugar, even in the presence of adequate oxygen, like engaging in anaerobic energy production, the production of lactic acid, and how that can cause a lot of tumor cell growth. Do you think that a lot of these therapies, like vitamin C therapy or like this ess, herb therapy, or any of these others, are inducing a cell to operate in a state of ketosis, or shutting down glycolysis or lactic acid production in a cell, and that's the way they're working, or is there some other method via which they're stopping tumor growth?
I think most of them are working via the lactic acid pathways, and they were successful in some people. Remember, cancer is different in anyone. Now, you can have, for example, a child in a pregnant woman grows as a result of hypoxia. So the growth of the fetus doesn't have necessarily due to nutrients. It's happening as a result of low oxygen. Now, we have noticed from machines, which are sort of hypoxic machines, that they actually caused.
