19. How the Metaverse & AI Will Change The World | How Andrew Schulz Is Building A Global Personal Brand.

Welcome back to the Bennett Bergs Show. Your favorite college.

No.

High school dropout. And your favorite MBA talking all things business, crypto and personal growth. Bergs are up to the 19th episode.

Unbelievable.

Yeah, it's been good, man.

I can't believe Two things, mate. One, we've made it to episode 19. And two, I haven't been fired from Collective Shift yet.

I've thought about it every episode, the way you treat me. But anyway, that's okay.

Oh, just a light roasting. I'm like, today's the day y sweet release of being fired.

So today we've got three parts and we obviously continually trying to innovate and iterate our podcast. It's more and more valuable for, for you as our listeners. It's. We've, we've had some serious growth. We've got getting a lot of messages and just obviously positive feedback. Shout out to my. One of my best mates, Jordy Partridge, he wanted a shout out. He's absolutely loving the podcast. And we now splitting the podcast into three sections because we know our listeners like different things. Some of you like all of our bullshit, some of you like just some of it. So splitting up into three parts, we're going to try this. We're going to start with crypto, then we're going to go into business and then we're going to end in personal growth. So if you like our sort of more smack talking around like meal of the week meme of the week, our gratitude, kindness and our hard thing of the week, our accountability, that's going to be the end in our personal growth. We're going to kick off with some crypto stuff. So we're talking about the metaverse, digital economies, how we think the metaverse is like, what it actually is, where it's going, maybe some opportunities there in terms of getting involved. Then we're going to go into our business, which is today we're going to talk about AI because some seriously cool shit's been happening in AI.

Oh, love it.

So I'm keen to tap your brain on that and then we'll finish with a personal growth.

So fantastic. I'm keen to see this mate. To see if we can stick to a schedule, mate. True Benneberg style. Let's see what happens.

I'm awful in sticking to schedules. For those that don't know, I'm basically always at least 20 to 30 minutes late on the podcast. Berks is constantly having to move.

Okay, 20 to 30 minutes is like ideal. That's fine. This guy like last week we were like, okay, we're doing this personal growth thing. We've got this accountability. So, okay, we've only got four days because recorded on a Friday. Let's report back on Monday. Monday rolls around, oh, sorry, man, I can't make it. Why not, mate? Oh, man, I just don't know. I've got so much on. So pushes it a couple of days, pushes another couple of days, eventually end up with Friday. No, you try and put it on the day where I have ao. You've done this to me so many times. So Ben's like, you're useless. You need more training. I'm sending you to ao. And then he books stuff on my AO days. I'm like, lad, I've told you about this so many times. You can't do this. It just doesn't work. And he's like, oh, well, it's just not going to work. It's just not possible. Then. Oh. And I'm like, just look at your calendar. You've got fear of looking at your calendar and your email, right? Because it's just mental. It's like 15 hours of madness every day. And then you look at like, cool, we'll settle on Friday, mate. So Friday afternoon for me, it'd be just before lunchtime your time. Look, mate, we've got to get it done every week. Commit. It's awesome.

But one thing that is going to happen and guaranteed is the metaverse. And the metaverse, it's definitely happening now.

It's not off.

100% happening, man. So all of Dubai this couple of weeks have been on the metaverse. I spoke at the Future Innovation Summit yesterday, Bergs unbelievable conference. This thing was €1800 to. To enter for a ticket. Like, it was like 2500. Only $3000 a ticket. There was some serious. Like there was a ball. Is there? I spoke on a panel called the Future Economy of the Metaverse. So it was a panel speaking with some really smart people on like, you know, what is the metaverse going to look like? What is it? What are the business models that are going to work? Who's going there? Do we need crypto in metaverses for like this? Crypto have to be at the heart of it. And we had some really good conversations. It turned out that I was like, I was the most bearish on the panel. Like, these other three guys were talking about how the future in the next 10 years, everything's gonna be on a blockchain. Everything's gonna be decentralized, everything's gonna be around Crypto and the moderator was like, ben, what do you think? I'm like, why she disagree? Yeah, I disagree. I disagree because you look at the technology that's being built by like a company like Meta, and what they're creating with their virtual world now, it's arguably, you know, take a step back. What, what even is the Metaverse? So for me, the metaverse is like something that you is like a virtual world that you own assets within. So a metaverse could be like even some of the games we play. If you think about like Call of Duty or you think about like.

Fortnight, like these are virtual worlds where you can own land, you can own your character, you can buy different things within. That doesn't necessarily need cryptocurrency to, to own assets within these metaverse, within these sort of virtual worlds. But where I think the real opportunity is and where these next generation of what we're calling like web3metaverses is where you not only own the assets within that game, let's say you're Ball of Fortnite player, right? You own all these. You know, I don't know, I don't never play Fortnite, but you know, you leveled up, you have these characters, whatever in the web3 version of these metaverses, the time and money you invest into those characters you would able to monetize. So within Fortnight, like that's it, that's. That's the end. Once you leave the game, that's it, your character stays there. What I think is the opportunity is your ability to take the character out of that game and, and plug it into another game or plug it into Decentraland or plug it into Sandbox and use that character there and buy different things. And maybe you can then take that character as an NFT and go into a real world store and you can get like merchandise with that NFT for example. So it's like the.

Distribution or ability to connect interoperability of metaverses and characters and assets, that's I think, the opportunity.

Yeah, it's ownership and interoperability. And if you think of what we think of the Metaverse as now, think of like Ready Player one, if you've watched that, or Second Life, the game, something like that. And the whole Web three part of it is ownership. So at the moment you have your Facebook account, your LinkedIn account, your Twitter account. Imagine if you just had this thing you authenticated with and you carried your account around with you. No one could block you or censor you, you own your account and that's where things start to get really interesting. I agree with you. I'm not necessarily bearish on the metaverse, but I think it'll take a lot longer than people think. People will severely underestimate what they can achieve in it. Sorry, severely overestimate what they can achieve in a year and underestimate what they can achieve in 20 years. People don't think really long term. And if you think, what is it going to be the driver for this? Like we've already got finance, it works. You know, we don't necessarily need a lot of crypto underpinning these things. You've got centralized companies doing this. What I think a real driver will be is we've seen this rise in, you know, we're going to talk about AI and bots and all these kind of things, you know, just humming along on blockchains or, you know, different databases or in different games. How are they going to exchange value? You know, how are they going to do microtransactions? Because they can't have bank accounts, you know, and if you create these. But they can have a crypto account or a crypto address and you don't need KYC for that. And you can send money between different bots for different services. I think that will be a huge driver because at the moment people like, especially in privileged countries like ours, we have very sophisticated payments and banking and it all connects on the Internet already. There needs to be something that will really push it and drive. And I think just being in the metaverse won't necessarily do that.

And I think in terms of the technology and where it's at currently, if you look at like Decentraland or Sandbox versus what like Meta are creating the amount of capital and talent that is behind a, you know, multi billion dollar, multi, multi billion dollar company like Meta and they're real world active users that they can partner with like a company like, you know, Microsoft and now they've got instant access to, you know, the Microsoft Team sort of stuff where you can be in a virtual world collaborating with your colleagues in this virtual world that already has hundreds of millions of users, where in the decentralized world we're building it from the ground up, we have to attract people into these technologies that aren't as good. Like if you look at Decentraland versus what Meta grading, it's far different. However, there obviously is a lot of benefits to having those decentralized metaverses like we spoke about, like the, the economy, the digital assets, the interoperability, your Ability to move within different spaces, the ability to actually generate, you know, money and build businesses in there. Like, that's really cool. But I don't think that in the near future we're going to see these new metaverses being able to compete with the more centralized businesses like meta.

Let's look at this. Like, how many. How many of your friends have VR that, you know, actually have VR? Like, not many. Right.

Only team you.

Yeah, exactly. So you've got an Oculus Quest headset. Do you use it?

I don't know where it is.

There you go. See, right, this is the thing. So I didn't use mine for a long time. I was wowed by it at first. It was great. But it's kind of awkward to take out and you got to charge it and there's. It takes the time to load. Now I play it at least once a week because I get on with my mates from work and we play Demio and a few other things, and that's fantastic. But using that thing, there's still a lot of friction compared to just loading this up and having a video chat. There are advantages to VR, but the tools haven't been built out, and there's not a reason for me to go there and use it all the time. The cost of their headsets are expensive. You're not going to have them for all of your employees if you're sharing them. There's things like, you know, infection control and hygiene, all this kind of stuff that needs to be solved. It will be solved, and it will take time. We will spend more time in a virtual world or Facebook's version with Microsoft or a Metaverse, but it will take a long time for us to get there, and it needs to be a good reason. And really, this is the natural progression. Like, if you just look at phones, you had brick phones you could text on, you could play Snake, you could make a call. Amazing. Like, even you go right back and you had a telephone. You didn't have to send a telegram. Someone didn't have to come to your house. You didn't have to meet up physically. You could pick up a phone. Amazing. But you had to be in your house, and you could only call someone's house. Now you can call them anywhere. Now you've got the Internet anywhere. You've got video chat anywhere. You've got all your songs and your music, and you can ask this magical thing any question anywhere. The next thing is, how do we then make that more interactive, get you to spend more time in there? Make it more valuable. Now we sit in our bums and we watch Netflix. We. Okay, what could. Instead of doing that with our time, how can we put that into a world and either make people more productive at work or make them have, you know, better entertainment, bit of escapism, something like that. And if you think about it, that's the next iteration. The one after that is just neuralink straight into your head.

So I, I agree. The hardware is what's lacking, right? Like this mobile phone, like we spoke about. You spoke about this in the last part. This is an extension of our, our brain, this mobile phone. It's easy to use. We carry it everywhere. We're so used to it. Dude, who the hell is going to carry around a big fucking headset like it's coming off the head, that hurts your ears and you can't see through because it's so big, right? But as soon as they, like tap into my glasses, I hit a button here. And all of a sudden, I mean, like augmented reality. Like, holy, now we're really talking.

That's it. Imagine you're just walking in a store and you just see the normal stuff. You hitting a button and you see augmented reality with all the specials, all the different stuff, the ratings, next to everything you want to buy. Like all the stuff we do in the store at the moment. Like, I want to go to JB hi Fi and I want to buy headphones and I'm like, I kind of want this one. I tried them all and my. Oh, but this one sounds different. It sounds a bit better. And then I have to get my phone out. It's got dodgy Internet because for some reason those stores, the Internet never works. Is I don't want you to look at prices and price match. And then you look it up and you find the different reviews, all that shit. What if you just had that instantly through augmented reality with the glasses that you're already wearing? Like, it has to have that value proposition where you're going to save money or make a better decision for you to adopt that technology.

Totally agree. And I think even though the future of like, being able to buy real world assets in the metaverse. So I think this is back to their investment standpoint. And what we're working over, Collective Shift, is like we're looking at, you know, Nick's writing up at the moment, like an investment analysis for the metaverse. Like, what, what a meta. What metaverses should you buy? Like, how much of your portfolio should be allocated to it, how many different metaverses should you buy? What are the different types of metaverses? There's a lot of questions that need to be answered. And from an investment standpoint, there's a lot of players in this space. Like, there's a shitload of money being poured into building out different metaverses. So, yeah, and this is the thing with.

Yeah, this is the thing with technology as well. It starts off really huge and clunky, then it gets smaller, then it gets commoditized, and then it disappears. Like, remember, like back in the day, we had to have big storage, heaps of hard drives, all this kind of crap. Now it's just magically in the cloud. Internet, you had to have cables running through, you had dial up, you had all this crap, and now it's just WI fi. How does WI fi work? I don't fucking know. But I got the little icon on my phone works, right? And humans love to duplicate things and store things that are important to us. Just look at our photos. We take so many of those things, we don't print them out anymore, but we store all of them and we store them in the cloud. They're somewhere else. The, the whole tech has just disappeared. It's on your phone, it's in the cloud, it's backed up. We like to have, you know, digital things that we can either copy and move around and back up or have digital scarcity. It's the area we're going, we'll move into a world where we start to become more and more machines. We're already dependent on machines. Our phones are basically welded to our hands at the moment. So we're going to start to look to these worlds if we're spending more time in them. How can I be myself? How can I be unique? How can I flex? How can I show my Rolex or my bag that I bought and how can I own those digital assets that I can move around, I can transfer easily, are highly liquid and people can't take away away from me because it's.

A bearer asset and that's only moving into the virtual world as well. So your character is rolling, you know, wearing a virtual Rolex and has this like this skin or this, this clothing, the Gucci bag, like, it's all a show of communication, communicating your social wealth and social, you know, ranking. It's the same thing that happens in the physical world. It's now happening in the virtual world. So.

Oh, mate.

Yes.

Have you seen a movie called Surrogates with Bruce Willis?

No.

Oh, mate. Okay, so watch this movie. So Basically, it's at a point in time where people just stay in their bedrooms. They plug in and they've got these surrogates that walk around that are like clones or basically robots. And you interact with people. You can look like whatever you want to look like, but everyone stays at home. Even him and his wife are in separate rooms. And they haven't seen what they look like physically in years. It is just absolutely incredible. And, oh, even speaking of those kind of movies, watch, watch Ex Machina as well. Have you seen that with the AI robots? Oh, mate, that's like next level. That is so, so good.

So listen to this podcast yesterday, around the technology. Right now, it's not commoditized, it's not in the retail hands are super expensive. But basically you put on these suits and you put it. You can put VR on. And the suits, what they do is they tap into your. Your, your neurons or neurology, I'm not sure what it is within your fingers and basically depending on what you do within this virtual world. So, for example, if there's a bag of chips there, you go over and, you know, you put your hand in the virtual world, open this bag of chips, the hand, this suit will basically send pulses into your fingers. So it feels like you're actually touching something like a bag of chips. Or if you put your hand in a fountain, it'll feel like there's water rushing over your hands. Can you imagine a world? Right. But you know, already in VR your brain spazzes out. Like, you know, if you ever walk the plank in VR, for example. Oh, yeah, you go out and you get shit scared. If you had.

It becomes real when you have that sensation.

Exactly. If you had the sensation as well, like a fan blowing in your face or like your fingers feel like you're actually like out doing things.

Have you seen the TV series Upload?

No, I've heard of it, though.

Oh. So the premise of it is when you die, like, if they get you in time, just before you die, you can be uploaded and you basically live in this virtual world. And depending on how much money you have is how good the world.

I have seen that. You know, I have seen it.

Yeah. Yeah. And then like his Mrs. Pretty pretends she's uploaded, but really she's in one of those suits and like she's basically in a bathtub in this suit. And it's got all the different feedback and depending on the haptic feedback and the kind of.

For want of a better word, like electricity and kind of stuff that goes through it activates like different nerves, different muscles pulse and it feels like you're doing the thing. How incredible, dude.

I'm excited for it. So to wrap up there, if you want to learn more about the Metaverse, if you wanted looking to invest in that space. Learn more. We've got a crapload of content over at Collective Shift. You can go over here and use the search button and search in Metaverse. And yeah, within there there's, there's heap of missing stuff, but super cool. And hopefully I'll get a recording of my panel to post up on The Collector Shift YouTube channel.

Where's, where's your TEDx talk, mate?

They're still editing it.

Was it that bad?

I knew you're gonna say that.

You did look very professional and very happy after you did it. So I'm just assuming you did a good job. But I got nothing to verify with, mate. It's just self rated five stars at the moment.

Well, that's what I can talk, I can say it's fantastic, mate. Until it's published, it's, it's the best things in sliced bread.

So.

Hopefully get another few weeks out of it, mate.

Right, that's, that's crypto. Let's move into business books because this last couple of weeks I feel as though the rise of AI has been for phenomenal.

So maybe we're getting roasted, mate. Everyone's like, oh, AI is back. Everyone's buzzing in Silicon Valley. Could you imagine being a Web3 founder right now? Because we're just not the flavor of the month.

Back to AI, mate. So Bergs, do you want to maybe first of all explain, you know, just as best you can sort of wait, what AI is?

For sakes, why you got to ask me a question like that, mate?

All right, let's, let's go under 30 seconds. So there's, there's two types of AI. One is artificial general intelligence, one's artificial narrow intelligence. The general one is like, you know, Skynet Terminator, like a human things does all this kind of stuff that doesn't exist and it probably won't exist in our lifetimes. Artificial narrow intelligence, if you just think of it as one simple application and these really smart guys use fancy, fancy maths to make a thing. That's, that's all it is, right? It's these fancy techniques and you use computers to go really fast, pump out maths, heaps of algorithms. You train it, it learns and you build great things. That's the simple view of what AI is. And it will Give you a couple of applications now that are starting to come out that are actually really useful. So in my previous job, we did quite a lot of AI work. We did a lot of exploratory work with data scientists, which is very hard because you need, you know, a lot of data, a lot of techniques. In the end, we just end up using statistics. We did IBM, Watson as well. So this was for drug discovery, looking at medical papers. So this, this AI instance ingests all of these papers and you can kind of ask it questions. It creates linkages. It was quite good for some things, but in the end, the tech was very immature. And we also did a project with wrist fact fractures. So you get X rays. And we had some students that would train machine learning model to say whether there's a wrist fracture or not. And anyone with two eyes can pick that up and go, yeah, there's a wrist fracture because you can see it. But if you're training machine to do it, then you move it onto more difficult things like lungs and cloudiness, because the images are very hard to differentiate. But machines have higher sensitivity, which is really, really interesting. And I think the main takeaway here is AI is coming. It will replace some things, but the main thing is AI is not going to replace a lot of jobs and a lot of people. What it's going to do is replace some tasks from jobs. And it's not going to be you versus AI. It's going to be someone collaborating with AI. Like, AI will not make you obsolete. People collaborating with AI will make those that aren't obsolete. And we sort of saw this, so I got quite excited. So we tested out a couple of things. We tried out Moonbeam and Copy AI and I sent a couple of videos to you, Ben. And as someone who's not in this space, when you saw them, and maybe you tried it as well, what did you think of it when you saw what was actually possible and maybe explain what was done as well in those videos?

Yeah, I was blown away. So. So Berg's basically was typing in some topics. For example, if you did a podcast on like, you know, bitcoin, right? And he sort of just gave this AI thing some ideas or topics we wanted to talk about. And there's this AI literally spat out a bunch of different facts and talking points and discussion points around the key topics we wanted to talk about in like 10 seconds. And I was like, what the just happened? Like, yeah, it's like a human went and did all this research and just sent back exactly what we needed to make a video in 10 seconds. That's the only way I can explain it. And I was like, what on, like. And it was not bullshit. It was all accurate. Like, like accurate, like quality information. And where my head went was like, oh, my God, this is going to, like, completely innovate how content is created. Like, this is better than what it most, you know, most humans could create right in 10 seconds.

And that's today. And the way we did it was we had five different points. We put it in there and we said one was like, fiat currency is collapsing. Press the next button and it establishes your five points. Are you sure this is what you want? Great. Click next. And then it comes out, fiat currency is collapsing. And it gives you reasons, like, people don't trust governments. They have overspent. This will result in rising interest rates, all of these points. And you're like, holy crap. So it takes you from 10% to about 80%, and then you've just got to put, you know, your flavor on top of that. And for it to get that context so quickly with some of the stuff we were putting in there, especially around bitcoin and crypto, I was quite amazed. I thought it would be horseshit because I've seen a lot of these before and this was. This was pretty good. I was impressed.

So I was speaking to a graphic designer last night, and we're speaking about AI, and she told me a dirty little secret, that this graphic designer now, not only now, doesn't have to draw 100% of the graphics she does for her clients. She draws around 10% of the graphic designs. And then she plugs in and tells the AI bot what she wants it to create in terms of colors, textures, and she just gives it a little snip snapshot of what she wants to create. She hits the go button and it literally does the work for her. She said that within a year, she thinks there will be no graphic designers dead set. She reckons it'll be gone.

All right, let's go. We're going. Ben, you've done it. We're going in deep now, mate. That's it. You hit the button, you hit the trigger, mate. All right, let's get into this. So this is phenomenal because we've got a lot of technology that's starting to do all of these things, and there's some great ones. I've been following some brilliant people on Twitter. Just quickly, the technology behind this GPT3 is kind of. I think it's by OpenAI deep learning module to Produce human, like, text. So that's like, you write something, you write 10 words, and you want to create a blog post. It'll do that kind of thing for you. Content creation. And the more you use it, the better it gets, because it learns and it understands what people like, because you give it feedback, you give it a stimulus, saying, yes, this was good, no, this was bad. And eventually it starts to give you more and more of what you want. Two other things, Stable diffusion and Dall? E. So these are things that create. So basically, really nerdy researchers came up with these things. They worked on them, you know, in universities and on the Internet, and now they've released them to the public. And because they're released to the public, people are starting to create companies around them. So what these. What Dall? E and Stable diffusion does is you can create images from text. So you could literally say Elon Musk on the moon driving a Tesla. And it will make the photo for you, and it'll make it within 10 seconds. All these photos are unique, and depending on the model, you can actually own that photo. So two brilliant applications I've seen of. This one is called stockai.com.

And this is by an awesome guy called Danny Postma. And I love this guy. So I don't know him. I know him indirectly through Shiny. And this guy, he lives in. Brilliant guy. So I'm pretty sure he's 30 now, lives in Bali to reduce his cost of living. And he runs about eight SAS companies. And he's just a solopreneur. So he'll sit there, he'll code something up, and away you go. Even when we were playing, like with Ericsson, we had.

Magic, like with the NFTs and stuff, you had to quest every single day, like every eight hours, you had to click stuff and do stuff. He just like, nah, send it to me. And he wrote a bot and he just sends the money your way. Like he's. He's a weapon. So he created stock AI dot com. And what this is, he's created a business, business model around stable diffusion, where you can go there and think about the moment you've written a blog post or you've done something and you want to image, you have to go to that bloody Shutterstock or whatever. You have to type something in, you have to search, you have to click on the one, you have to pay for it, you have to crop it. Now you just type bloody 10 words and it creates an image for you. Or you copy and paste the blog you've just written. And it creates the perfect image for you. And it is, it is absolutely incredible. He's just hacked this. He's hacked this together in a week. And the other one that I've used, which is incredible, is Levels IO. So this guy's an absolute lad. He doesn't around like this guy, he's built so many companies, he uses old programming languages and he, instead of doing a business model, doing this, doing that, he's like, I'll just code it up in five days, put it on the Internet and see what people say. This one is interiorai.com interiorai.com you take a photo of your room, Ben, with all your in it. And then you upload it here and you can click. I want bohemian style chic. This, that it removes your furniture, leave like your bed and whatever you want to leave in there and it'll change all the furniture in your room. And it looks like the furniture is in your house. Like, this is incredible. And can you imagine this? Like when you're outside in your garden, you've just got dirt and a landscaper can come along, take a photo and be like, oh, if we put these trees in this and that and. And it looks exactly what it should look like. And you can picture and go, yes, I want that, bro. How incredible.

Can you imagine the intersection of this technology, AI and like augmented reality?

Yeah. So, yeah, even like the, I'm pretty sure the Kmart website and a few others do this as well. Like, we wanted a rug. You take a photo of your room and it puts the rug in there. It is just incredible. And even think about clothes. You want some clothes? Now all you need to do is go up and scan it. Like, take those barcodes, walk into a little room or whatever and it'll show you what it's like you wearing those clothes. You have to try that on anymore. Which is like the worst part, because I hate trying on 50 things and I'm fat and I got a weird body shape because I'm tall and I got big guts and skinny legs. Nothing fits. And I just get dismayed and pissed off and I get angry and sweaty and I leg it. It's the worst experience ever. Now, could you, could you imagine Internet shopping?

Oh, you know how mad I get, man? Honestly?

Oh, yeah.

I throw everything on the floor and I get the out of there. Crack it, mate. Absolutely crack it. So could you imagine Internet shopping where you could actually see what things would look like? Would these shoes actually fit your feet? What would you look like in this entire outfit? And it looks like you on the screen.

Yeah.

How incredible is that? The applications of this are going to be absolutely insane. What about even in med, like surgery? What are you going to look like pre and post surgery? If we do a certain thing, it's incredible. Even like the stuff we were doing at the hospital with Hololens, you can literally like, okay, you got someone's back and you have to do surgery here. Hololens will actually show you what it looks like inside the patient.

And it can actually overlay, like live observations. Like if you've got an ultrasound or whatever you've got will show on one kind of lens so you can see inside the patient and what's going on while you're looking down and you're operating.

So how does this work? Is it just pulling in extreme amount? So let's go back to the Bitcoin content example we spoke about. We wrote in what, what content wanted to create. Is it just pulling in, you know, a shitload of data? And then how is it coming up with like, what's best? That's just, that's. Hang on.

Yeah, so it's just using fancy, fancy maths to predict what's next. So when you hit a critical mass and you've. You get it to read a bunch of stuff, it's understands a bunch of stuff. Basic context of where you put words, what words go with other words, things called nearest neighbor. So it's like, if I'm in crypto and I work with Ben, who's the next likely person that Ben will work with or want to see, and it'll likely be someone from our company, you know, all these kind of things. And it starts to predict which direction to kind of go. And at the start you don't have heaps of data. You need people to train it and give it feedback. So, so imagine search is a classic example. You type in search and it returns something. Is this a good search or a bad search? Click on good search, yes. Bad search, no. It'll be like, okay, that wasn't great. And adjust different weightings within the different formulas it has.

Yeah, just keep teaching it.

Yeah. So it's like you. It's like a neural net doesn't work like a human brain, but it's kind of a loose example where let's say you're in the gym and you're deadlifting and you're deadlifting like shit, and you're getting poor results. And I come along and I'm like, oh, lad, move your legs like this. Move like that and then do that, and you get trained and you get better. That's exactly what's happening here. But it can just do it at such a rapid pace because it's just computation again and again and again. And for those thinking that this is too far out, then you don't use this. You use it every day. So when you go to Google for research, that's machine learning. They learn because so many people use it. They know when people search what they click on. Do you click on the first one, the second one, the third one? Oh, you went to page two. That search is wrong. We need to, you know, get those search results and make them better. If you talk to your phone and do speech to text, that's natural language processing. That's artificial intelligence as well. We use these things all the time.

So I saw a video, retweeted this video on Twitter yesterday. It was an animation.

Of an AI displaying the human evolution from the start of time to now and moving forward.

And wasn't that scary at the end?

Create. My God. I. I actually. I actually went like. I got goosebumps. Like, once it got to, like, the human, the. What happened was basically this was the. This was the craziest thing for me. You know those. You know those human evolution photos? We go from like the monkey into, like the, you know, the caveman to the human and. And beyond. This thing was not like that. It was like monkey caveman into, like, human. And then it like lifted up this phone and it was like. What happened from the phone to the human was like the human arm then created like this, like, robotic arm that the phone then just like, migrated into the body, and then we turned into like this, like this robot. Basically the phone turned us into this robot that then turned into this like, super futuristic, like, alien type thing. And I was like, oh.

Well, this is what I like about AI, where it helps you with, excuse me, thinking and discovery. So, like, when you've got a few points and you've got a block, it'll unblock you because it'll be like bouncing off someone. Like, I'll bounce off you and be like, bruh, what do you think about this? You're like, nah, mate. Which you always say. But, you know, you give me a couple of ideas and they'll go away. I'll be energized, I'll be motivated, and I'll go. And, you know, it'll. It'll unstick me. But then AI goes in very different directions. I was talking with our dev team about this, and Think about this. You want to learn to code, right? So what do you do? You can't just go and code. You have to go to a website, someone has to teach you, you have to go to uni, you have to do a course and they teach you in a structured way and then you use the tools and the tools work in a structured way. And then when you've got certain standards on the Internet, you need to obey. What if you threw all of that out the window? How would that work? How can you reimagine that? And this is what Microsoft have done. They let AI look at all the public git repos everywhere, so everyone's code that was public and they're training an AI instance on everything that I've learned. And of course it's, you know, fun and games, but it's also fraught with danger because all the bugs and everything that's in people's codes or it's not secure or anything like that, that'll be replicated and that'll be seen as good. So you need to train it there. But what will we be able to unlock? Because we're as much as we like to think, we're not being entrepreneurs and in the crypto space, we are very bounded in our thinking. Like, what would happen if, like, gravity just turned off or the sun didn't show up or all these other events that we just take as static, you know what I mean? And, oh, but lad, have you ever thought, have you ever like, sat down and really thought about what humans will be in like 2000 years? Let's. Or a million years, like, because we're not going to be like this. Like, people in like, I don't know, 10,000 years or whatever from now, they'll be like, oh, they'll just monkeys. Like, what will they be? Will they have giant heads? Will we even need bodies? Will we combine together? Like, how wild, mate. How wild.

We just all got the neurolink. We're just basically like, the AI is running the world and we're just like the physical, like, physical part of.

Yeah, wetware. What happens when the digital world is better than the physical world?

We're not that far off.

Holy. When you think about it, Most people spend 17 years of their life on their phone. That's the digital world. They spend shitloads of time on Netflix and everything else. We're already doing that.

It's now going to just be more interlinked. So it's like, oh, the virtual world and the physical world are colliding to the point where we won't even know what the difference is at some point soon.

That's. That's a scary thing. Especially with those deep fakes. Like, you're gonna get a phone call and you're gonna think it's your missus saying, send me some money. It sounds exactly like it. And it's not. That's like a really scary thing, dude.

That's. That's 20 years away, not 10,000. Can you.

Oh, yeah, bro. Compute.

What's 10,000 years, bro? That's.

That's like two years away, mate. Yeah, 10,000 is just insane.

Well, what was 10,000 years ago? What was that? What are we, 20? What, 1,000?

I don't even know, mate. Like, I couldn't even tell you what time that was in the world. I don't know if it was like Mayans and Incans and like all that sort of. Or if it was K people. I have no idea. When it comes to history, man.

Yeah, what was 10,000 years ago?

You just Google it.

I'm literally just searching 10,000 years ago.

So 8,000 BC.

8,000 BC.

And while you're doing that, like the last part on, AI is one of Mates showed me this music video that was created by AI, which is insane. And even, even for us, like, if we write a post, we can now copy and paste that and it'll create the perfect images to go in that post. And even AI is creating music now. You can half write a song and it will finish it for you. How crazy is that?

Like, how crazy is that? It was just unbelievable. Here we go. Eighth millennium. The eighth millennium, it just looks like nothing.

So, yeah, literally nothing. During the eighth millennium, there were four known volcanic eruptions. All the volcanic activity.

That was fuck all going on outside the near east, most people around the world lived in scattered hunter gatherer communities which remain firmly.

In Paleo, Paleoic, Paleolithic, Stone Age. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that. Yeah. So that era extends from 2 million years ago, sometime between 40,000 to 10,000 years ago. What a short span of time considering like the universe is like what, 13 point something billion years old. He's a. Yeah.

13 billion years old.

Yeah. How old is the universe? 13.7 billion years old. So you gotta, you gotta watch. Yeah. Right, okay, so we live for maybe a hundred years. If you had like a kilometer and you had what? We wouldn't even be one dot for 100 years. That's how old it is. That's when the big bang happened. And since you got to watch like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's video, he has basically he takes the big bang and puts it into like a 12 month calendar. And, and everything that we know and have in our heads happens on like not even a dot on the last month of the calendar. Like that's how close we are to things happening.

Dude, that is insane. So, okay, hold on, I'll just google this. So.

Modern humans originate in Africa within the past 200,000 years. But Homo erectus is an extinct species of humans that live between 1.9 million and 135,000 years ago. So literally, like the first evolution of a Homo Sapien was nearly 2 million years ago. And that's not even a dot on the radar of the whole like discovery of Earth.

Bro, bro. A hundred years ago, like electricity and cars and all that. Like, no.

Can you imagine that? The sun goes down, you're inside with a candle, lad. Like some, some people had it early on, but it was not evenly distributed and walked everywhere.

100 years later. We're saying now that you can type something into some search and this AI thing is just going to like draw something for you or spit out the answer, See?

And when you look at that time scale, how amazing that is. And oh, you've seen the thing where like they, they start off with like a person and they zoom out through the universe and all the different galaxies. Have you seen that? How small you are. And then you add the 13.8 billion years. It's insane. I think we've got like another 10 billion years until the heat death of the Earth. So that's going to be an interesting one to solve.

We won't be solving it, that's for sure.

No, we'll be dead, mate. Don't worry about it. We'll be sweet. We'll be somewhere else, mate. Does it, does it blow your mind that we're literally made up of other people? Like the atoms in our bodies were in other things and other people and insects and whatever the. And they combined to make more people.

And what's even weirder is like this, this cycle where the water that you drink, Albert Einstein probably drank, because you drink it, it goes through your body, you urinate it, it goes somewhere else, it goes up to the clouds, it comes back. You do enough cycles of that and it spreads around. How weird, mate, Drinking secondhand water, mate, we're all just renting.

What's the world gonna look like in 2 million years?

Will there even be a world? Will we even be here? Will we fuck off somewhere else, mate? Will we have, will we have time travel and it won't matter. What if we're just an experiment?

What if we're living in some nerd's computer in a basement?

What if there's 50,000 versions of Earth and this version, obviously, I'm better looking than you, but there is a version where you might be better looking than me. Could you imagine.

How wild? How wild. There's so much we don't know. And while it's scary, it's kind of really beautiful as well that you don't know those things. And it makes the time that you have more precious.

Yeah. 100. When you realize how insignificant you actually are.

Oh, that's it. When you. You realize, like, you just don't matter. And in a hundred years no one will remember you and you'll be dead anyway, so it won't matter. You're not going to hear their praises. Like, it's a silly thing to leave a legacy. Like, you're going to be dead. You're not going to be there to appreciate it. Like, yeah, help people and do good things in your life, but not with the expectation of your name being in the history books. People are going to rewrite that anyway.

Dude, live. Live life. Enjoy it. Go do something.

Some. I think I've said this to you before. Like the Mayans, Incans, all that sort of shit. They ruled the world. They were the fucking bees. Knees top of the Waza. Can you name five of them?

Neither can I. I would have no idea. And that wasn't that long ago, mate. So they got no chance of remembering us.

Live your life. Enjoy yourself. Be good to other humans.

Okay, do you want to do this other one in business or do you want to go to.

Oh, no, I want to do it. I want to do it. I've been dying to do this one. Oh, my God. All right, we're talking Andrew Schultz, people. Yeah. Yay. All right, so for those people that don't know him, Andrew Schultz, he's a podcaster, stand up comedian, and he's an absolute lad. So what he did was. I don't think he ever named them, but he got paid to do a comedy special like you'd see on Netflix with Rogan and Chappelle. All this sort of stuff. Did the. And the way they do it is quite good. So they'll plan it all out, they'll talk to the studio. The studios are pretty good. They're like, yeah, go and record it. And they record two of the same session on the same night. So this one actually opened with Bruce Buffer. It was amazing, mate. It was unbelievable. It's for free on. On YouTube and we'll explain why. But they do two recordings because obviously you're going to stuff up, you're going to do some things better, you're going to forget some things, and they just blend them together and it just comes out as, you know, cinema bliss. So this lad, he got paid, I think it's roughly around, like, 800K, something like that, to do this comedy special, records, it smashes, it goes back and goes, all right, lads, when are we uploading this? And they're like, oh, look, we're really sorry, man, but we're going to have to cut a lot of this content because it's just too spicy. And he's like, well, what do you mean? And there was back and forth and the people at the agency were saying, you know, they're really good. They went into bat for him, but it was just too spicy. And you'll see, like, in the first minute, it's fucking spicy, mate. I love it, I love it. So what he did was, he's like, well, I want to buy the special back from you. So he basically gave them the money back and then that, the 800k, and then bought it from them. He used his entire net worth to buy it. And this is a huge gamble. And because he believed in it so much and it was his best work. So what he did was he took that and I believe it cost him around like a million, something like that. I don't know if they included giving his salary back and everything. He took it and he sold it on his website, I think, for a week for like 50 bucks. He made five times what he would have made selling it to that streaming service and he now owns it. So he gave it, sold it to those people, made a bunch of money. People supported him. They're like, this is great. And, mate, it absolutely fucking delivered. And then what does he do? He goes, oh, great, it's been a month. I still own this. I'm going to release on YouTube for free. But he got, like a giant sponsor, so, like, at a couple of times in the video, he has, like, sponsorship stuff that goes through it. So he gets paid for that and then he increases his audience. I wonder how many things that thing had, like, millions of views on YouTube. And the thing about this is, can you imagine this model? People can. Now, obviously, you need to have a following and people understand your product and what you do, but you no longer need all of these services to be able to get A lot of money. You will make more money doing self distribution. How crazy is that?

It's the, it's the personal brand.

Yeah.

You know, Pathway. Right. And even sort of taps in a little bit of a decentralization sort of ideology around moving them, removing the middleman. Like, no longer do artists need to go to, you know, record labels to distribute their, you know, their records. No longer do movie producers need to go through big distribution channels to do it. Like, you can do this on your own and you're gonna probably make a shitload more money.

Yeah. And I think it was. I'm pretty sure it's Chance the rapper where he releases the majority of his stuff for free.

Right.

You just get it. There you go. You don't have to buy albums or do anything like that. And he gets all his money from merch and touring and he's completely uncensorable. So check this out. Andrew Schultz is called Infamous. Honestly, just watch it, watch it with, with your partner. You will laugh your ass off within the first two minutes. You'll be lit like the crowd, like he tells this joke in the first two minutes and they're just like, oh, like out of their chairs. Like he just knocked them out, man. It was so good. Infamous 2022 special. It's less than an hour long and it's got 7.5 million views. He only uploaded this three weeks ago. Three weeks ago, 7.5 million views for a comedy special. Unbelievable.

I think this is even on the music side, burgs like Music NFTs are changing the game. You know, where you can distribute your music and you don't need to go through Spotify and you know, pay a huge fee to these, these businesses to take a chunk of doing all. Like you can sell NFTs or sell these, this direct to consumer and you can take out the middleman. That power is super exciting.

I love it And I love ISIS ISAs, income sharing agreements. So this is the same thing. Like let's say you're a musician and you need $20,000 worth of studio time to make your album. You can release NFTs to fund that. And as people want to own those songs and it becomes more popular and more valuable, they then on sell those NFTs, they make more money or they hold them because they really love you and what you're about and they want to collect it. And it's built in royalties as well. So every time that sells and the value goes up, the creator gets a royalty two and a half percent, something like that. So you're incentivized to make really great stuff because you'll get more, more and more money in perpetuity. Whereas previously a record label would own all your originals and you would get no money, no, none of them would sign a deal. They want you by the balls. It's incredible. I love it. I love freedom. I love creators. Just get them if you're a creator, get on the Internet. Get that leverage, get amongst it.

Okay, Bergs, are you ready?

Ben, are you ready? Oh, yeah. I've been sitting on this all week. I was ready to just smash Ben last, like on Monday. Oh, I woke up early, I worked out, I was ready. I was like fighting. I was like shadow boxing, man. Just doing my sick hooks. He's a whole. No, man, I can't do it. I can't do it. And so now it's a Friday and I'm sleepy. But you're still gonna get it, Ben. You're gonna get it. All right, listeners, in Listenville last week we made a commitment to each other to do the hard thing. And the hard thing for Ben was to not go on social media for the four days between the pods and the following week. And mine was to put my arcade machine up for sale. And we do this because we're committing to you and ourselves. And if we don't, there is a stiff penalty. The penalty is $500 that goes to a bar tab for a Ben and Bergs meetup so we can all get lit and have a good time. Now, Ben, how did you go with your accountability challenge? You told everyone what you were going to do. You set the rules yourself out of your own mouth.

It was not to go on social media in the mornings. And mate, I just want a bit of an update for you. Were you accountable to everyone? How did you go.

Day one? I failed.

So good. So what happened, mate? What happened?

You messaged me. I'm pretty sure you're like, how you going with your social media thing, Land? I'm like, no, it doesn't start till next week. You're like, no, fuck, it doesn't. Doesn't start till Monday. I sat on the pod. I'm not doing it between now and then. It starts on Monday. You're like, bullshit. I'm gonna go back and check. Twenty minutes later, Berg's coming back and he goes.

I think my message was very, very abusive. He started off with suck shit and I can't say the rest of it.

So yeah, I, I thought I started Monday and then Bergs made me listen back Where I literally said, okay, I'll start today. And then completely failed.

And the worst part was you started early that morning with us and you had like a two hour meeting and there was probably only like an hour window for you to do it. That was still technically the morning and you still somehow managed to do it, mate.

So. And it's, it's not about getting kicked down, boogs, it's about how we get up again. And I have.

As of Monday, I have not been on social media before lunch always.

That's really good to hear.

Like, I thought I promised myself and I must adverts. It feels good. I am, I have clarity, I have focus, I have attention. And I'm getting like work done, more work done than I would have before in the, in the mornings.

Proud of you, man. I'm proud to hear you say that. Like, it's a very hard thing to do. And going cold turkey for a period of time and time boxing those things, you still have that compulsion to do it all the time. And for you to have, you know, not succeed in the challenge, but still continued with it, that is epic. I mean, you're still going to pay the 500 bucks and we're going to update the website so people can see how much money's on there. But, mate. Oh, you should have seen, like. All right, dear listeners, I was laying into Ben. I was like, ben, it's the first day. I thought you're going to be a contender. I thought I had some competition, but no, you just fail at the first hurdle, mate. And then I was just, oh, and it's funny because Ben's in Dubai, he's by himself, he's talking to investors, he's at conferences all day, he's beat down. And then you got this. I'm the co worker that just beats him down more and more.

Even the Mrs. Hermes, she's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? I'm like, no, no, you don't understand. This has to happen.

Oh, mate, so good on, good on you for keeping it up. And 500 in the kitty. So for mine, this was actually really challenging for me, man. I was like, it's like when you need to do a workout and you're just looking at your shoes and you're like, I'm like six hours go by, you're like, I don't want to do this crap. Anyway, I ended up taking photos of my arcade machine and I put it up for sale and I thought it was going to be in my head. I built it up that I have to fix it, I have to clean, I have to do all this stuff and these idiots and tire kickers are going to come down, they're going to talk to me, they're not going to understand I have to load it on a truck, they're not gonna have a truck, they're not going to pay me. Like I've been through this before, I don't want coming to my house looking at all my. And I'm like, oh, all this. So put it off to sale. And I've got to tell you, it's one of the best experiences I've ever had, mate.

I got hit up by all these people, people, some of them were just, I'll offer you this, I'm like, oh look, sorry, I've already got, you know, a deposit down, I'll keep you in mind. But two people were great. One the guy that actually bought it, him and his dad, they actually run all the, a lot of arcade and pinball machines around Perth and they've got a really good reputation, they keep their machines perfectly. It was just unbelievable. So old mate saw and he's like great, I'll send you a deposit, you send me a couple of photos. Few days later, comes and has a look at her, brings his ute around, load it onto the ute and mate, see you later, heaps more space. But he came inside, looked at the pinball machines and we're just nerding out like of all the pinball machines we like and he, he's got tons of them and all the different places that he puts them on site and the similar people that we know, it was just incredible. And then so such a good experience. And then another guy, he messaged me and he's like, oh, will you accept this money? And I'm like oh look, one guy's already got on hold, I'll get back to you if it falls through. And he goes, oh, I think this is my machine from 20 years ago. I'm like oh mate, no way. And then he's like oh yeah, I used to have heaps of machines at Orbit. And I was like, like this just hit my heart where it's like, oh, nostalgia. So Orbit used to be this beautiful place in the city, a two story place and it was like a time zone. But they had all these crazy arcade machines, like all the Japanese games, the fighting games, Marvel vs. Capcom, King of Fighters, beat them up, Metal Slug, the dancing games, the, oh, everything. I'll just spend so much time there. And I was like, oh, no, mate, he's like, oh, did you go there when they had this and did this happen? I'm like, yeah. And I went to this other place, Update City and Spectrum, where there's like one Asian dude running it but it has all the craziest games that they've imported themselves. And I was like, oh, my heart broke when like. Because you'd walk in the city and it's right on like one of the big corners and you see this big globe and it would say orbit and you go inside, you know the machines would bang on, they were maintained and it was just really loud. It's like when you go to like the Japanese arcades, it's amazing. And then they all the sign was still there but the bottom was like off your tree. It was like a bong shop. And I was like, oh no. And I was like deep in my 20s by this point, right? I was like, oh no. Because I always go in there for a game and the best players be there and you challenge them. But then I went upstairs and they still had the games and he was like, man, I had to lug those games up those fucking stairs. And he's telling me the story about it, it's so good. But then eventually the whole thing had to close down and it was just, it was the end of an era.

So the hardest thing turned into a actual enjoyable experience is what you're saying.

This is the thing, man, like especially with me, it rings true where if you worry, you suffer twice. And in general terms we suffer more in our own heads than we do in reality. It's the things we think are going to happen that we prepare for that never eventuate. What is this person going to think? What are they going to say? Am I going to get bloody run over? I've got anxiety about my flight, whatever it may be. And these things never ever eventuate into some bad like kind of worst case scenario. It always turns out all good.

It's a, it's a good one to take away. I think I, yeah, I personally overthink sometimes and I think in reality this is absolutely no need and complete waste of energy.

But the other thing I wanted to mention, Bergs, is that this has been fascinating for me because what I've actually realized there's been two accountability things so far and they're compounding. I've been to the gym every day for the last five days a week for the last two weeks.

No shit. You're actually building habits from this. Amazing.

And I haven't been on my phone before lunch or this week. And I've already started my accountability for next week.

I wonder if the interactivity. But I've started my accountability as well. Their interactivity between the two. We're preloading, mate. This is how good we have to get after it.

We're getting an AI here.

Yeah, yeah. So I really wonder if going to the gym gives you more focus and clarity and you're not seeking out your phone and then not actually using your phone gives you more clarity throughout the day and you can more easily go to the gym, have better workouts, get better sleep, and the cycle continues.

So, okay, let's go to the. Let's go to the third. Let's go to my accountability for this week because it ties in. So for me, it's all, you know, I'm always trying to optimize for focus, clarity, energy and happiness. That's really my sort of four things. And not using my phone before lunch made me feel more focused fix, you know, made me feel like more freer and. And sort of just. Just better efficiency at work than the gym. I feel great. I feel happy. I get a. Get a sweat on. I feel like I've achieved something for the day. I. I'm feeling fit, I'm feeling healthy, but my sleep was still fucked. And because I realized I was still using my phone, obviously after lunch, I was just using it too much. So now Burke's. My accountability for next week is to not sleep in the same room as my phone. So now I'm putting my phone on charge in the kitchen with my alarm on. So when I go to bed, I'll watch Netflix or whatever, but I'll just go to sleep. And then I'm not like checking my phone like any hour before bed and it's not in the same room. And I've done that last two nights.

It's a game changer, isn't it?

Game changer.

I. I leave.

Do you do this?

I leave my phone actually in my room because I need to hear the. The ringer. But I put it in the closet behind the door, so it's away. It's locked away. I can't get it. I can't get out of bed. But if there's an emergency call or something, then I'll be able to get it. And it's just got my alarm and that's it. And I can literally lie in my bed and I can read a book and. And that's it.

Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, it's a game changer. What else do you do? To optimize your sleep.

So I've just started taking melatonin tablets. So for the first, I've been sleeping maybe like five hours the last couple of weeks just because of work and fucking busy and on my phone and all this sort of shit, terrible sleep. And I've. But I travel with. Because I travel a lot and international flights, I take melatonin. Had melatonin last couple of nights and I haven't had early starts. So I've been getting up at like 8:30 last night. I went to bed at 10, got up at 8:30, my first like 10 hours sleep. And mate, wow. Absolute log all night. It was fantastic. So good. I'm gonna keep taking them, I think, because it's just a game changer for sleep.

It is, yeah. My missus takes them and swears by them and I've had them a few times. They just make you cozy. And it's not like a sleeping tablet, like a sedative. It just, it gets you in the mood. Even different lights can produce melatonin as well. You don't have much control over that because you're in a hotel. Another thing for my sleep, two things actually. One is breathe. Right, Strips. So this was just amazing. So these are little strips you get from the chemist. They cost about 50 cents each. Little bit of like sticky stuff that goes over your nose like that and what it does, it just pulls your nose out a little bit and you can get like 30 more airflow into your head just instantly. It's like you've had deviated septum surgery and you can just breathe so much better. You're like, holy crap. And even the Mrs. It doesn't have a deviated septum. She can just breathe so much better. And all it does, it just goes on and it slightly goes like that. Can't even feel it, don't even know it's on. And mate, I had the best sleeps when I had that thing on.

Really?

Yep. And my other tip, so honestly, give that a crack because it's, it's low touch, low invasive kind of thing and it just optimizes your sleep. Some people also take their mouths shut as well, like just a little bit of tape. So you breathe through your nose. I've never really done that. The other one is reducing the temperature of your room. So the colder it is.

I do that. Yeah, yeah.

The better you sleep.

18 or 19 degrees. It's good for the hotels that they've got the thermometer. I don't have that at home, but that's good here.

Yeah, yeah, that works a treat. That works just so well. Like you just get, I don't know, it does something to your body. Your body's like, oh, cold, I need to sleep. It's like some evolutionary thing from cave people or something.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

That, that was phenomenal. And that's, that's pretty much fixed my sleep and also disconnecting as well so I don't go on the TV all the time. Even last night, instead of watching tv, we just put on like Triple J and I was reading a book and Mrs. Was doing crochet. And you can get to sleep so easily doing that because you're not constantly being battered by like ads and stuff to like jack you up and, you know, make you rage.

Yeah, yeah, I, I think.

Just those. Oh well, yeah, it's been a game changer. The temperature, no phone.

And melatonin, that's the three things.

Yeah, amazing.

What's your accountability? What did you, what's your capability?

What's your boy.

So mine is, it's, it's a single one. And are we going to have to complete this by Monday? If we do the pot on Monday, let's just say yes. I want a challenge. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yes. So mine, mine is to paint my bathroom. Oh yeah. So I've, I've sealed. So I have, I haven't sealed like two of the rooms in my house and I've lived here like 10 years, which is really bad. Right. So I've sealed parts of it I have to go through and seal the rest of it, which I'll probably do tonight. And then I have to do two coats, then I have to patch it and then I have to do two coats of paint by the pod on Monday. It's like, yeah, Monday, it's a hell of a job. But mate, I'm gonna get amongst it and I'm gonna do it because I need to get this done. I don't want to lose to you. I don't care so much about the 500. But for you to have this over me, I will not accept that. That is not on. That is non negotiable. To lose to Ben Simpson or fail where you can be like, hey mate, remember that time you did this? That I will not have it, son. Painting that room, baby.

Now, Ben, just, just. So are you clear on the rules? Because last week, even though you set them, you still didn't understand them. So are you definitely clear that so, so what, what is it, an hour before you go to sleep, no phone. And your phone's gonna be in another room, just.

No, just phone in another room. So if I go to bed, it's just a phone. Another room out there in the charger.

Perfect, mate. Weekend to Monday. Let's get after it.

Let's get after it.

So good.

Paintbrush out, mate. Okay.

Accountability. Oh, I will. I can't wait. It's gonna be good because I've been on the computer too much. My back's feeling a bit tight. And just do some painting, mate. Why not? Let's get amongst it. And it feels so satisfying because you complete a job and it just looks good. Like, in my life, I very rarely complete jobs. It's an infinite game, like building product. You're always building more. The next feature, the next release, the next optimization. Even though you release things along the way, there's always something more. You paint a room, it's done. That's it. You can sit back, have a beer and look at how well you did.

I'm just thinking through my head, I'd. I would never paint a rubbish. Outsource it that.

I hate to do that, mate. You got the soft hands. You need to outsource everything.

These hands.

Show me your hands, mate. You got.

You got gym hands at least baby hands.

Oh, mate. Nah, you gotta have, like, big, like, man calluses, mate. Gotta lift some weight.

We got last, we got name of.

The week, meal of the week and gratitude. Okay, which one you want to kick off with, mate?

Let's do bar. Let's do middle of the week.

All right, I'll crank it up.

You want me to go first?

Yeah, mate.

Okay. This is still ringing in my brain and every time I think about it, I squirm. So, bergs, what you've got here is frog legs. Oh, yeah, Deep fried frog legs.

Get amongst it.

Now. I went out for dinner with a friend and she'd had these before and I was like. She was like, you need to get this. I was like, no fucking way am I getting frog legs. She said, you need to eat them. Like, no way on earth. She finally convinced me to get frog legs. She was smashing down. She loved them. I had a few bites, but the thought of my head was like a little frog jumping around.

And I was like, the legs are so tasty, mate.

Oh, I just can't do it. Had a couple of bites, I was like, I'm out. That's it. But I wanted to share on the pod that I tried. Frog what?

What's the sauce? It looks Green. Is that blended frog?

I don't know, mate.

Just.

Even the thought of it just makes me squirm.

You didn't like the taste, mate? So how was your taste?

Okay, the taste was okay, but just. I just can't bring my room me to eat it. So the taste is all right, but. Oh, just the thought of it. So I don't know. I have to. I have to rank this, like, basically a one, because I'm never eating these again. But the meat was okay. You know, if you just pure. Pure taste. That's all right.

I've had frog legs. Is a lot like chicken. Not too bad. I mean, it's not my favorite thing. Not the worst thing, but yeah, it's all right. You ever had chicken's feet?

No. You ever seen chicken's feet?

Yeah, gross.

Ah. So I don't understand, like, I've had it, but I don't understand why people eat it. It's just like soggy feet like this and. And it's all, like, wrinkly.

You can still see the nail beds and. And people like eating them and they're like spitting the knuckles out and they're like that kind of. You can't taste that much on it. It's just like a black bean sauce delivery system. Oh, mate. Have you ever had Century Egg? Do you know what it is? Oh, so it's like. So this is like a moldy egg. So they take an egg and they're like, fermented, and it's green and it's moldy and it smells rank, but it tastes pretty all right. I actually don't mind it, mate. It's like a Chinese delicacy.

Move on. What have you got?

Wait, wait, wait. What's. What's the weirdest thing? Apart from this, that you've eaten for a meal?

No, not much.

Man.

This would probably be up. This is probably the weirdest thing.

Really?

Yeah.

I don't know what's. I think all mine's pretty common. Century egg jellyfish was up there. That was a bit weird.

Oh, yeah.

What about. What. What's one, one. One food you want to try? I want to try whale.

As bad as that is. I still want to.

I've never, you know. Where do you eat at whale?

Japan.

Japan. Japan. I wanted to.

I. I wanted to order horse in Japan as well, because they. They serve it like sashimi, but they didn't have it, like the day that I was leaving. But it's just weird to do. But I'm like, oh, might want to try.

I'VE made kangaroo before. I would have kangaroo.

Did you have it when we came working over the little creatures or they didn't serve it, did they?

Nah.

Ah. Because they do it so well there. Kangaroo is great. Have you had camel?

No, I haven't had camel.

Mate, you're in the desert. Go and eat some camel. It is like, seriously, if I had to choose one cut to have, like a steakhouse or something like that, it will always be camel. It is phenomenal. It's beautiful, it's gamey. It was just delicious. Mate, get amongst.

What have you got? What do you got for us?

All right, here we go. This is my meal of the week, mate. Oh, this was incredible. So I went out for lunch and there's this lovely Burmese place and it's in this kind of weird industrial area. It doesn't make sense. It's in the wood. And I went out there and I'm like, am I in the right place? I'm just, like, tripping because the sign's gone and there's another sign up and it's a weird Malaysian place. And I'm like. And I don't really like trying new places because I'm like, I'm in the hood. It's dodgy. I'll get food poisoning for sure. I'm gonna get up. But I was so hungry anyway, I go inside. Lovely Malaysian guy there. He's like, how are you are? Come inside. It's like, all right, cool. The place was packed out. It was the cleanest I've ever seen. This place was cleaner than the Burmese place. And this is one of the dishes we had. And this was just beef rendang, man. And this was unbelievable. The beef was just so soft and it was just coconutty. The spices were incredible. Rice was great. You know, cucumber's great. But this was just like, man, when you go to, like, imagine you went to, like, a Malaysian person's house, and she's just a sweet old lady and she feeds you and gives you a hug. That's what this is like, man.

And.

And. And my missus caught a peak. She looked behind and there was a sweet old lady cooking in the back, mate. And a young guy. He must have just had his mum just cooking up these meals. This was incredible. Just melts in your mouth. I would eat this any day of the week. 10 out of 10, baby.

I would not change this at all. It was this just basic, clean, simple.

It's what you want and it's incredible. And even the sauces they had on the side usually get like a red chili sauce which is pickled, but you know, they add extra heat. They add just that little bit more to make it 10, 20% better and put their own spin on it. And you can tell they're really proud of what they deliver. And I'm like, man, this was like 10 bucks, man. It was just so cheap. Incredible meal of the week, mate.

What do you got for meme wise?

Oh, mate. All right, let's get into this. All right, loaded up. I've got a couple this week, so I've got one. One for the pod, one for you and one for me.

All right, so this one is a panda in a bin and it says, I may be trash, but that means I'm someone else's treasure.

And just in his eyes, he's just looking out there for someone to love him.

And I love this because the sunset.

The sunset does it for me.

Yeah, the sunset and like the gradient going up with like the pink and purple sky. He's just looking out there. Someone will love me. It was just beautiful, gave me the feels. And it reminds me of that other one where it's like, you clean your room so well, the only trash left is you.

So good. So good. All right, so this meme is for me. And there's this skits unit monkey, he's just looking at you, staring you down with a smile. And it says, me about to make a situation worse with some ill timed sarcasm. This is me like 24 7. We'll be in like the most serious all hands meetings and I can't help myself and I just say like the weirdest thing. It's like almost this like autistic response that has to come out of my body at the end of the meeting. I'm like, how am I still employed?

Serious meaning, you know, very deep strategy. And Burgess cracks the most fucking insane, like spicy joke.

So good, so good. I have to live my best life, mate. Oh, awesome. And this, this meme is for you, mate. It's.

So this is Christian Bale. I think it's from America Psycho. It says, sometimes I want to quit social media, but then it would be a better place without me. So I stay.

That's for you, mate.

Stay on social media to make the world a worse place.

Oh, crazy man. Right, what's our last thing here? We've got gratitude, kindness the week.

Oh, mate. So my gratitude of the week will be the people in my EO group, man. So yeah, this is was an accountability group and we meet monthly and you have to talk about how your life's going, what's going on in your business and bring your biggest business challenges. And we all stepped up and we brought the hardest shit, like the hardest things that are going on in our business, how it's affected us, what our outlook is like. And the people in the group, they just talk about their experiences and things that have helped them and stories that they know and just being able to speak with people about, like, we're in crypto, we work in web three, we do fight, we're in a startup, we have to pivot, we do crazy. Like everything changes all the time. Who's going to understand that? You can't talk to anyone about it, but you can talk to these people. I'm just so grateful that I have a group of people I can talk to that I can trust, that I can put everything on the table with and walk away with clarity and feeling better and feeling relief and feeling lighter and a path forward. Yeah, I'm very grateful for that.

That's awesome, dude. This is a buddy of mine in EO actually he sent me this message. So similar story, he sent me this message, he says.

But you know, hey brother, you still the UAE. These next 12, 24 months will be something the best of your life. Please stop and pause occasionally at least once a day. Maybe even take a selfie in a great location that captures the day's adventure. Look around, breathe in, take it all in and be grateful. When inspired by your own actions, drive, determination, grit and grind, you deserve all the fun, exciting, rewarding things that you are attracting with you and putting out in the universe. Your drive and action oriented approach inspires me to push harder, speak.

Amazing. Holy crap. This is like the equivalent of when David Goggins messages Joe Rogan and he's like, don't let that inner win. Yeah, like, it's so good, mate. What a special human. How old is this person?

He's a dad. He's probably like late 30s, early 40s maybe. Probably, yeah. Something your age.

I'd say this is the thing, and I would say a very similar thing to you as well, where when you're.

You'Re doing great things and you're pushing really hard, but stop and smell the roses because when you're older, you won't have those years, those memories will get blurred. But if you take a selfie or, you know, you take a moment to be like, oh, look at that thing I did today and really appreciate it and be more mindful, I did none of that. I was just I was on the piercing my youth and just going from thing to thing. Didn't think about it. I'll be young forever. You're a lot wiser than I definitely was at your age, mate. What a beautiful message to receive.

Beautiful message man. Beautiful message.

Love it.

So very grateful, very grateful for my, my friends as well.

Love it. And mate, next week we have to talk about what a Bennett Burg's summit slash conference would be like.

So if anyone's got some ideas of what a Benneberg summit would look like, tweet at us. Babyback Berg. Is that right? Burgs?

Yeah man. At.

@ BenSimpsonau. Let us know what you'd like to structure. Did you like to structure? We broke that out. Crypto business, personal growth. Let us know was a complete bullshit. Let us know. Leave us a review. We'd love to hear from you. And you can join our Discord. We've got a Discord channel in the, in the, in the, in the link below in the.

Description. So yeah and you can head to bennetbergs.com we've got all our links there. We're gonna gonna include the bar tab now so you see how much is on the bar tab and just giving you a track record Ben. I think that bar tab is going to skyrocket, mate. So we should have escalating penalties if you fail once the next time at 600.

That'll really keep you accountable.

Mate. What about like a double or nothing around.

Maybe? No mate, there's no double. Your money's gone. See you later. That's already on the bar.

Mate.

Radio. Oh, and we've got a special listeners. We do have a special guest coming up soon which will be recording in studio. We won't announce that just yet but we have going to have our first guest on the pod. For those sports fans out there, I think you're going to really like this one. So we'll be recording in a few weeks time in person in Melbourne. Burgs is coming down. Amazing the opportunity. So it's going to be, it's going to be.

Fun. The land of the bloody latte mate.

Did you see that one where they served a coffee in an avocado like. Come on mate, that's just a bit over the.

Top. Yeah, that's, that's pushing.

It. Deconstructed coffee land. I'm looking forward to it mate. Thanks for joining Razzie Up. Bye bye. Gotcha mate.