5. Elon Musk Shocks Twitter & How Social Media Negatively Affects Your Life | Ben & Bergs

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Notch just due to what I do is constantly like just insane. Like, just insanity of like doing a million things at once. Traveling across, doing messages, emails, calls. Constantly just crazy lights notifications, email meetings. Deep like, you know, it was becoming harder and harder to do deep work because of how the was coming at me. 24 7.

Mate, we're away. You made it five, mate.

We're rolling through the numbers.

It's unbelievable. Episode five. We even made a reel as well. And it's my face, you know, you were getting all the views because I'm just so beautiful. Lucky it wasn't your lead, mate.

Well, it's your lead and we up the subtitles on them first real.

That's all right, mate. With my hokey voice and the way I pronounce things, I don't blame them, mate. Look at that room. Where are you? That looks phenomenal.

Okay, so I'm in Vegas at the Mirage, so.

At the Mirage.

Okay, so yeah, go on.

You're supposed to be working, but whatever.

Supposed to be working. So I was in Milwaukee. I had the. Had a two full day like public speaking course learning how to like speak in front of people on stages to the screen. It was, it was intense. And then I head home on Monday. But Milwaukee is, man, like, it's literally. You've got to get you. The only way to get in and out of Milwaukee is on like little dodgy ass planes. Like the Rex planes back in Australia. Like I was like flying on this plane into Milwaukee. It was. It's a really small place and you can't get from Milwaukee to San Francisco. Like there's not, it's not a thing.

Oh, okay. So you just stop over.

So it's a four hour flight. Vegas is like halfway or it's a bit close to San Fran, but a four hour flight from Milwaukee to Vegas and then I'm heading out tomorrow. It's basically a stopover. Probably the better stopover places I could think of to be fair for a, for an overnight trip. But yeah, I'm out tomorrow morning.

The San Fran, mate. Amazing. And so how is it, how is it being in the States? Like, mate, I ask you something, right? Like one day and the next day like Your life is like crypto, where it's literally like one day in crypto is like a week in the normal world, right? One day in your life is a week in someone's normal life. Like, I asked you like, what are you doing, mate?

Go.

Oh, yeah, no, I'm just flying over here, mate, going to this conference. Oh. Then I'll fly back there and I'll just do some speaking gigs on a fly back and I'll learn how to do this. It's mental. It's like you got unlimited stuff over there in the States, mate.

It's. It's wild, man. It's been so the. These two months, including this month, like the travel plan. I've never been so busy in terms of traveling, right? So it's like San Diego, Miami, Austin, Texas, New York, DC.

Vegas, San Francisco, LA. And then I'm going back to Melbourne, back to Sydney, to Singapore, back to Sydney, to Gold Coast, Brisbane, back to Sydney, Sydney, back to. And they're all different things that these conferences, courses, partnerships, investor meetings, stopovers, working. Like, it's literally just meetups. It's like, it's crazy.

You are the epitome of a digital nomad, just going wherever you need it, lad.

I think crypto is like crypto founder or crypto, like business people are just like the ultimate most. It's like 100x leverage trading.

That's it. Just with life where you're like, you're like. That's true. It's like your business is on the Internet, your people are remote. You just, you only go to places if you need to be there. And like, yeah, if you're, if you're speaking or you've got investment rounds, those kind of things just fly there. Amazing.

It's. It's been difficult in a sense of like the Australian time zone. Like, you guys don't. It's like it's 5:30 here. Where was. Where was I? I was in Milwaukee, which is 7:30 or 6:00'.

Clock.

I don't know, you sort of lose track of time. But all you know is like, you start work because I'm an early rise, I get up and get into it early. By the time six or seven o' clock rolls around now Australian wakes up. Now it's Australian time. So you have all your meetings between 6 and 12. So I tend to be working somewhere between. I might go to the gym of a morning or I get up, I meditate, we'll talk about meditation a second. But I, I get up, shower, meditate, journal, gym and Then I'm usually into a. By like 8. Go through the day till work relatively hard, deeper stuff till 4 or 5pm because no one's distracted me because all the Australian guys are asleep. And then all the meeting stuff like 5pm till midnight and then wrap it up.

This is something I'm still trying to work out. So I've been working with you guys for three and a half months, something like that. And all my previous jobs were just local ones. Go to the office, some remote work. Now I'm working fully remote, which I got the hang of. That's good. But then trying to work with people that are in, you know, other time zones, especially the States and then on either coast and we even had a UK guy at one point and even one of our developers went over to the uk. It is mental. It is so challenging where you're working through the day. And even just when in summer there was a three hour difference between the east coast team and, and me even like the 6am or 7am starts and then you go during the day. As soon as you start right when you wake up, your slack is already full of messages from all the stuff that's happened in the States. It's just kind of global, just following the sun, going round and round round. So you're already catching up on that stuff. And then you got your set stuff for the day. You might have a few hours in the middle of the day, then you get into deeper work, like meetings, that kind of thing. But then the States come online and you need to talk to those guys as well to either hand over or just that little bit of communication that won't work. Async it's, it's seriously crazy. And the hard thing is like when you're the type of person like I guess both of us are, you want to put your best effort in and you want to do the maximum amount. Like I won't like log off and be like, oh that guy can wait till tomorrow. I'm like no, why am I making him wait? Yeah, it's, it's super challenging to work out.

You feel that guilt that nearly like the guilt if you know you're not, you're not getting back and you're having to like 100%. So this is funny, right? So this leads into one of my topics. Want to talk about around dopamine and you know when you talk about like 100x leverage, trading, sports betting, doing anything, it's all around this idea of dopamine. You're getting that heat, you're constantly doing things you like, you know, your time, your money's out there, you're trying to get a win. I've actually found myself.

I only started to realize this in the last couple of weeks that just due to what I do is constantly like just insane. Like just insanity of like doing a million things at once. Traveling across, doing messages, emails, calls. Constantly just crazy. My brain would start to need. It needed and needs the constant things happening. Lights, notifications, emails, meetings. Deep like, you know, it was becoming harder and harder to do deep work because of how constantly these was coming at me 24 7. Right. And my down time. I usually maybe try and play a golf game of golf like once a week, something like that. But when you're traveling like it's too hard and you're just busy all the time, like literally my calendar's full basically six days a week.

Sunday night for us is your Monday morning. So it's lit. So I, I might have Sunday, like Sunday sort of up until 4pm off and then it's Monday morning Australia. Like it's ready. Let's time to rumble again. Anyway, so my point here was what I was struggling to do was actually get deep into work. And I was getting so frustrated because I had so much deep work to do. Writing speeches, doing strategy, building out contracts, doing deeper strategic work. My brain was like hitting this, this speed. It wasn't even a speed, it was like a wall. Yep. And sometimes I genuinely couldn't get started. I was like procrastinating to a point where I just couldn't start. I'd be checking my phone phone now on Instagram, on social media, I'm like constantly looking for dopamine rather than actually getting into work. I think maybe some listeners at home, maybe you burgs have also fell in.

This trap of like, oh, 100%.

The short term wins.

Yeah, it, it is so crazy where you get conditioned into these habits and you don't even know they're happening. And this happens in the real world as well. It's not just the digital world where if you're in an office, you get into these routines where you get there, you might have talk about your weekend, you might have a whinge and then you go for a coffee and. Or you go the water cooler or you go get your favorite pastry or whatever it is. And just these little things that compound over time. And you think about the way that we work. Right. Like it's crypto, it's fast, it's mental, and we work in slack asana. Notion, Figma, email, all this sheets, ping, ping, ping, WhatsApp. All the time. You're conditioning yourself five days a week to react like that. You're creating new neural pathways in your brain, right? And the more you create them and reinforce them, the more they need to be fed, the more they tell you to go and do the thing. And the reality is, man, like, I've had a week and a half off, right? So I've had some leave. Ben's. Ben's like, taking the little leash off and he's like, all right, there you go. You can have a little bit of leave, mate. It's all right, it's all right. Just a little bit. Just a touch. And seriously, I'm just walking around, I'm smiling, I hardly use my phone. I don't even think about it. But it takes, like, it only happened, like, yesterday, like, a week and a half to get to that point. And when we think about what's happening, all these apps, like, you're a user on a phone or wherever you are, and you got all these apps on your phone. And on the other side of the Internet is these teams and these fucking teams of neuroscientists, data scientists, software engineers hacking your brain, your insecurities, whatever it may be, so that you build habits and use their applications more. You've got no chance.

Okay, that's a great point as well. This, the other feelings I had as well, you know, traveling solo and, you know. You know, had a partner a while ago. You know, single now is what it was actually, because I'd be on Instagram or, like, in between, like, when I go to the toilet or when I'm, like, going for a walk, I feel as though I'd be constantly picking up my phone to just go check something and, you know, like, scrolling shit.

I don't go to the toilet without my phone.

Yeah. How weird is that, right? It's like it's a habit.

What did I do when I was younger?

But what I felt, some of the. Especially Instagram, what I was finding is that it was actually causing sort of like. I think it was inflaming, like, insecurities or, like, anxious feelings or like it was. It was causing me to overthink a range of different things. Whether it was comparing myself or, like, thinking about what someone might be doing or like, it was just. I don't know how to describe it, but it got to a point, was like, actually, I just basically bunched watch YouTube videos and studied a bunch of stuff. Just like, overnight. It's like what the hell is going on? And because I tried to like mentally not pick up my phone but that wasn't working because I'd still do it. So what I just went through and just deleted all that. Delete Instagram, let Facebook. Just deleted all the deleted email off my phone. Yeah. And all was like this was like this piece like I know that sounds kind of cheesy but it was like the sort of the, the ding dongs and the, and the bells and you know, I hadn't. I. I usually am on do not disturb and don't have notifications on it for anything anyway. But this idea that I couldn't even. There was. There's this, there's this gap. Now it's so much harder for me to get an email because I have to go on safari, have to go on my password. I have to figure out where the my2 factor is. It's not gonna happen. It's just too hard. Now I've gone from checking emails from, I don't know, 30 times a day to twice a day on my laptop when I've got a break.

Perfect. Like this, this is something that I discovered and I absolutely love it. And just, just you talking about the emotions that come up when you zombie scrolling on Insta and it's like you're comparing your personal truth to someone else's social mask. And like you see this person doing this thing and you're like, oh, they've got an amazing life. All this amazing stuff's happening for them. In reality, they spent five hours making it. They got a whole team that's putting this together. They hate their lives. They're just as tired as you are. They got the dumb problems that you have, but you're seeing this one like one minute clip and you're extrapolating that to their whole life. And the reality is if you were like, okay, there's this person that I admire or look up to. You don't get to have just that one thing of their life. You have to have their entire life. And if you ask yourself, do you want that life fucking for me, the question is always nah. Because there's always a lot of shit going on that you do not want. Now man on the notifications. So email, that's the thing. Email is async. You don't need to reply. It is not instant messaging. Delete that shit from your phone. It does not matter. If something is super important, someone can pick up the phone and they can call you. So I've followed like exactly in Your footsteps where all my apps are gone, apart from Twitter, I have on my phone, everything is soft note. So I have to go to my desktop and literally log in and type all my stuff away into the desktop to actually get in. So just creating those couple of friction points. I'm not always, like going in and scrolling because, man. And then soft notifications as well. So nothing dings on my phone. I'm on do not disturb. The only thing that actually dings or like notifies me is calls. And I'm like, if someone's calling me, I want to be able to hear that. And man. Have you ever gone into the settings on your phone under, like, digital hygiene and see how many hours you use your phone and like, what apps you use and how many unlocks you do per day? Have you ever done that?

Oh, I haven't, I haven't done the unlocks, but I saw the hours.

I was like, oh, seriously? Like, the average is like, people spend over 30 of their waking hours on their phone, right? Adding crypto. I'm sure it's way more than that. And unlocks are like over a hundred a day. Like, so you think about it, you're unlocking your phone, you're looking at scroll, scroll, scroll. All right, I'm up to date. Put it down. Like, no one's waiting for me. No one's there. I haven't let anyone down. My duties are done. It's so crazy psychologically.

You think you're missing out on something or you're being pulled and like, you know something wrong if you, if you start looking at it right now. I will admit I haven't gone from like complete cold turkey like this week, you know, traveling of an evening. What I did this week after my courses, because I was like, I'm. I'm laying in bed, I'm like, you know, see what the. See what the guys are. I downloaded Instagram for maybe like 15 minutes, 20 minutes, seeing what's going on, and then, and then basically deleted again and then wouldn't. Wouldn't check it again for the, for the next night. So although I haven't gone complete cold turkey, I'm not going to say that I've gone completely there, but I've gone from maybe checking Instagram, I don't know, like, I wouldn't even know. Maybe ten times a day, eight times a day throughout the day to once at the end of the day. And this call, this was an intensive 2 day, 8 hours each day course on, like, developing a script for public speaking. It was One on one coaching. It was a whole lot of content. It was intense. And I felt that I could attack those two days so much better without having the distractions and nonsense of all this other bullshit that was going on. I could just actually just attack those two days with my full brain and not have all this other stuff going on.

So good. And we see this in other parts of our lives as well. Like for me, one of them is food. Like, if you eat a lot of food, you become conditioned to it, then, you know, all the bugs in your gut kind of change and then like, they crave these kind of foods, right? But if you start eating well for a while, you no longer think about those kind of things. And like, even in terms of accountability. So I got this, mate. And we use each other as accountability partners and it's like we're mates, but we're absolute dogs to each other. And it's amazing, right? So what we do is like.

Now we're, we're good blokes to each other. We just dog each other, just give each other heaps of crap. So like with him, he was like on Insta, like non stop. It was wrecking him and YouTube as well. So, like, all right, for the next two weeks, he's not going to go on Insta for more than 10 minutes a day, every day. He had to send me a screenshot, like proving that he was on there and he had locks on his phone, that kind of stuff as well. And what we do is we have to set a bet and the bear can't be. No, oh, fifty dollars, hundred dollars it, I'll pay that. The bet's like five grand. So it's like, right? So it has to be a stupid amount of money. It has to hurt. And then because we've never lost a bet, I think only one he lost. And I think that one was like a cheap one. It was like 100 bucks or something. He ended up losing it. So what I did was I took this hundred bucks, right? And I went around and I bought like, I bought a beer and I'm like drinking this beer. I'm like, oh, so good. Oh, it's amazing. And they're like, oh, got all this food and went to the next place. In the next place. He's just like, day after day's like, you, you're such a dog. And like from then on he's done like every single challenge. It's been so good, man, like accountability.

Okay, so two examples I've got. One is this podcast I've Always wanted to do a podcast it. But on my own, like, now it's all too hard. I can't be bothered. I'm gonna do something else. Watch tv, do some work, whatever. Nah, like, we've got it in the calendar. You know, we tend to, like, move it around a little bit because we're busy guys and across the outside the world. But it happens every week, and we have fun, and it's like, it's good because we are accountable to each other.

Yeah.

And I think that it makes the world a difference. The other one is a man. And I. I'm not sure if you know this. We've got a bet on to raise capital for collective Shift. So we have. And this isn't just a fucking 100. He's like, what is the number one thing that you do not ever want to do? Like, what is the ultimate thing that you would, like, hands down, never do? And I was like, I will never, ever, ever jump out of a plane. He's like, all right.

So it was jump out of plane or bungee jumping. So we took the second one because I was, like, doing either of those. So we took a bet that if we don't raise our target, that I will to go bungee jumping, and we should have got it.

Well, okay. Have you set it. Have you set a time limit? We're gonna do accountability right now on this show. What is the time limit for the target?

I actually can't remember because we had a few drinks at this point. This was a couple of months ago.

At one of the crypto conferences. I think it was like. I think it was realistic. Like, it was like, by the end of the year, you know, we want to in our minimum target. And by the way, we're pretty close, so I'm excited about that. But it's like, I was, like, in the shower the other day, literally two weeks ago. I was like, you know, just not really feeling having one of those days. I was like, ah, you know, like a big, sluggish day. But it genuinely was like, no way am I fucking budgie jumping. Like, get your hell up. Get into it.

Let's hustle.

Let's grind, let's go.

I would. I would skydive before I bungee jumped. I've heard those stories about, like, eye strain when you're, like, bungee jumping. Like, when you go down, you feel, like, right in your face. I'm like, that I'll jump out of plane. Yeah, no worries. Let's go. But, like, bungee jumping, I'm like, oh, like, I would do it if I had to. Like, I did an ab sale years ago for charity, and this was absailing down a building, and it was 220 meters. Like, the biggest. Yeah, the biggest building in the city, right? So, like, okay, cool. And the worst part was I went to Japan like a month earlier and stood at the height that I would have to abseil down. And I was like, oh, fuck this. But something happened, like, all of a sudden, I was just not nervous, like, leading up in the days. I'm like, look, it's the illusion of fear. There's lots of safety there. Let's go and do it, right? So anyway, we get up there, there's four of us blokes, we head over the edge. It's like, it's a rainy day. It's overcast. You can't see that well. We don't get a great view. We start going down. And I'm like, going down. I'm myself got a heart rate monitor. I'm like 192 beats per minute. It is absolutely crazy. I'm sweating and it's freezing outside. I'm sweating. And this rope is so heavy. You just have to feed it through. Like, man, your forearms are caning by the end of it, right? And then I get down and I'm like, oh, man, that was amazing. That was great. Start walking inside. They're like, no, no, this is halfway. You have to go over the edge again. And I'm like, fuck. Just going over the edge is the worst part. You're literally standing on the edge looking down a couple of hundred meters, right? And you have to be like. You have to step over. And this thing is not like you bounce off a window and you go down quickly. You're going down slowly, man. And sometimes you can't even touch the window. You're away from it. So anyway, the second time we go over, my mate Kim, he got. He's like, he's. He's a hard nut, man. He's just. How do I describe him? He's almost like an army dude, right? Like, he's into all that kind of stuff. And he's got this GoPro on his head and he's standing at the top and like, he got caught up because I was stuffing with his GoPro and we came down. So when we're on the second level, like, giving him shoot, like, ah, you're scared, mate. You wouldn't come down. Ah, little. All this kind of stuff, right? So then he goes over first, but he goes over and he slips and he smashes his head on the side of the building. And I look down and I see him and I see him down. Luckily, he just smashed his helmet, not his teeth. I was like, fucking hell. So I'm going real slow because the building's really wet. So we're all going down. And this guy at the top, like, I wasn't into mindfulness or anything at the time, but he's like, just stop with all of you. And just. And he's explaining mindfulness and just look around. And we did that. And I've never felt that much peace in my life. I felt it twice. Once was then where nothing else was in my head, nothing. Nothing else mattered. It was just us looking out. It's all you could think about. It was all encompassing. The only other times I've had it was when I'm in VR and doing certain things where it's just so stimulating and you're so in the moment. So anyway, we start going down and we start hear everyone cheering, like, yeah. And then they go, oh. And I'm like, what? And the wind just took us, man, and just blew us around. So the building's like this. We're on this part here. And it blew us around the side of the building way. Oh, man. But for some reason, my brain just snapped and just goes, yeah, this is okay. You're safe. But seriously, I watched a video and I should have been myself. So we blew around and then blew back and we're just swinging. And then Kim and Mike actually got caught up. So Kim was, like, up, and he got caught in Mike's rope, so he had to undo himself. It took him like five minutes. And then we ended up coming down, mate. It was wild.

Crazy.

How'd you feel afterwards? What was the feeling like once you got the ground?

Oh, king of the world, mate. Like, I was just like, gave. Gave Marissa a hug, like, you know, it was just amazing. It was. It was the greatest thing. And then I'm like, let's get some Malaysian food. I'm hungry.

Like, that. That idea of, like, taking action and going past your comfort zone and like, you. That is the goal. Like, when you really don't want to do something or, you know, just taking that action, getting somebody comfort zone, you know, for me, not. Not anywhere near similar, but, like, when I hired that Ferrari in Beverly Hills, I was like, no, no way. I'd love to do it. But like, nah, like that. Like, I've never driven the wrong side of the roads. A Ferrari? Like, hell no. End up Doing it. It was the most unbelievable experience. Like that naked can say, you know, they've been around Beverly Hills, right Know, driving Ferrari, not this, not the same story, but like that idea of just taking something. Yeah.

You never know what's going to come of doing the thing that you're afraid to do or don't want to do, or just even a social situation or going to a dinner where you're like, oh, I don't know anyone there, or a party or something like that. Who are you going to meet, how that's going to change you, the experience you're going to have, the personal growth. That's the kind of stuff, that's where life starts, you know, like, you're so comfortable with what you've got now, but they just on the edge there where you're not comfortable to do something are the greatest experiences that you will have in life.

And it also, I think it kicks off further chain of events. Like I was thinking on the plane today, going back for me anyway, as an example, like a year or a year ago, I was like, I'm not doing content. Like, I'm not getting in front of camera, like, no, no way. You know, let alone speaking on stage. And then like sort of, few things sort of ticked off. And all of a sudden, a year later, we've got this awesome podcast I love. I'm doing YouTube content, TikToks, Instagram Reels. And now I'm like got invited to that TEDx talk, which, by the way, I'm shit scared of. It's gonna be hella nervous, but it's gonna be fine and it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be amazing learning experience and it's gonna be great for the business, great, you know, personal development. But like, that doesn't happen. Don't just go from nothing to that. It's a bit of a. It's always journey and you just open one door and it opens up another, and that just seems how it works.

Absolutely everything is scary until it's not. Like, you just take that first step and you'll be absolutely fine. Everyone was scared before you. Everyone, like a lot of people have done the thing that you want to do. You will be absolutely fine no matter what the challenge is in your life.

I just want to wrap on what is your morning routine? Like, what is. Because I've been, I've been. I've been working on mine a little bit. It feels I've got mine down pat. But I wanted to hear from your side what, what you do the morning, first thing out of bed.

So I wake up, I cry.

I look. I look at messages from you and I cry some more.

I have a. I have six panic attacks and then I have 14 coffees and then I'm right.

Three out of rolls and nine padded holes.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a mix, uppers and downs. It's a perfect combo, mate. And then I'm half ready for work, mate.

No, honestly, my. My morning routine has been pretty average. But I'll give you my. My ultimate routine and this is the one that I have used before and I aspire to get back to. So this is something I'll get back to next week. I think. Actually, no, I'll just start it tomorrow. It. So it's literally.

Hold up before you tell it. What, why, why aren't you in your. What. What are the things that have. Like, is there any learnings from. Like, how. Because I've fallen this trap all the time. I feel as I own swings and roundabouts. Like, what's been the thing that has made you fall in this trap of not having that most ideal morning routine? Right.

Oh, man. So I, I got very lazy. So I was. I wasn't exercising enough. So my sleep was poor.

Wasn'T doing enough, I was working way too much. So I was always thinking about work. It was always on my mind. I'd be working crazy hours, not sleeping enough. And then the quality of sleep was quite poor as well. So I'd wake up in the morning, it'd be cold because it's winter. So seasonal depressions kicked in and I'm like this. And like I have to wake up and it's pretty much just wake up and then get ready and go into a meeting. So like delay, delay, delay because it's cold, I don't want to get out of bed, all that kind of stuff. I don't want to do the hard thing.

Right, well, that's a good point because you wake up. Like, we basically push our meetings to the ultimate, most earliest point because we've got the US guys for you. Like, it's the, it's the earliest possible time that works for you. So you're basically potentially. Let's get up at the Cracker Cracker dawn at.

Yeah, exactly.

You're getting up just before the first meeting.

Exactly. So get up, have a shower, get ready and then go. So that. That is my current routine, the ultimate routine is wake up, walk to my study, meditate for 10 to 15 minutes. Then it would be go for a walk. So get outside Go for a walk. And for some reason walking just clears my head. Feel a million bucks. Absolutely amazing. Firing on all cylinders. If I want to do some push ups or something quickly have a cold shower and then even in winter that's just amazing. Like I have a cold shower and I instantly just start laughing. I feel great. It just turns all these switches on in my body and it's doing the hard thing consistently. It sucks. But you keep doing it. Like if I can do that in the morning, I'm absolutely fine and then make a coffee and have breakfast and that, that is my routine, mate. And by then I'm just absolutely golden. I haven't got the hang of working out early in the morning. I can't do that yet. Like I like lifting weights. I generally do that in the afternoon or now work from home. I can do it during the day. Like just after lunch is probably the perfect time for me. But yeah, waking up, meditate, walk, cold shower, coffee, that's the go for me. How about you?

So for me, get up straight to the shower, sort of freshen up, come out. I did do cold showers but here in the US it's just weird. It's like it's, it's, it's hot or it's off. It's like here's weird.

Anyway.

There'S no cold, there's no cold in the States, mate.

It's just like you want it hot or you just don't have a shower?

Oh, you just want to have a shower, mate. Yeah.

So shower, meditate for probably like 10 minutes. I, I, I studied, not studied. I did a Vedic meditation course a while ago which is really good. They actually say 20 twice a day for 20 minutes but just not there. At this point I'm doing like 10 minutes, I feel. So that's good enough. Then I journal. A journal's been a big, oh, game changer for me recently. I stopped doing it for about a year and a half and just recently did it since I came back to the US and traveling solo. The clarity of thoughts and the way it calms my mind down because there's, you know, where you've got so much going on. What you mentioned about going to sleep. I do this before I go to bed and in the morning and it literally, it's like this, like it sort of sucks everything out of my brain and puts on a piece of paper and my brain just chill. It's just like, oh cool, you know, like I'm sweet and, and even just talking through problems or questions I have and or concerns I have. And then I actually answer my concerns in the. In the journaling. Just whatever comes to mind. Very, like, therapeutic, nearly.

That is amazing. So I've done that a few times. Totally forgot about it. I'm going to go back to it now because it gets the thoughts out of your head and onto the page. And I saw this beautiful quote where it's like, if you're overthinking, write something down. If you're bored, go and read. If you're not sure, go and meditate. And like, I've used that little mental framework and it has just helped me so much. When I'm feeling something, I don't know quite what it is, and I'm like, well, am I thinking too much about it? Go and write down all this stuff. Like, if I'm preparing for a trip or something, it always stress me out. I get fucking travel anxiety, right? It's the most ridiculous thing. And I'll literally go down and write down all the things I need to do. And then I'm just instantly calm because I've got something on the page to follow. Yeah.

Now bang on. I think for me, like, as anyone that's listening is, like, overthinker or, like, analytical or, you know, whatever. Bit insecure, whatever it might be like, I think journaling has been great help. But then I go to the gym. It's been relatively good where I've been. Like, some places don't have weights, I just do running on the treadmill. But the, you know, Milwaukee was great. Had, like, weights. I've got an app that I just rotate different, you know, parts of the body. Like, try and get there three or four days a week. And then, then I come back and I said, I really have stopped. Like, like, phone away, not looking at my phone, not having any inbound stuff. Don't have any inbound stuff until you control the day and control what you want to achieve for the day and then do inbound. So I set my to do list, look at the things that are most important, the deep work, maybe even starting some of that deep work before opening emails, before opening slack, before getting into asana. Because as soon as you open up the floodgates, it's fucking game over. Because you're like, you're just now just hit with everything.

That's it. And just speaking about prioritizing, right? That's the thing. Like, you need to prioritize the things you want to do for the day, before the day prioritizes you. And there's like, it's not just a morning routine, it's a night routine as well. At, at night, like I'll try to, try to do, you know, workout at night every kind of second day, lift some weights and that's good for a couple of days for me. Or I'll grab a footy and I'll just run and just boot it like down the local park, boot the footy, sprint after it like 20, 30 times, something like that. Come home. That really helps me disconnect. And then I'll plan for the next day. So I'll write down like, okay, These are my 90 day goals. This is what I'll achieve in 30 days. These are the three things that are non negotiable that I have to do tomorrow and just helps me move towards my goals. And then I'll meditate at night as well, just to scrub my mind of all the crap that happened in the day. And then I can be completely present for myself and my family for that night.

Love it. Love it. I think, I think with all this stuff it's about repetition and I struggle sometimes. I usually go in patches. I'll go hard for three or four weeks, then sort of like just naturally lose it. So I'm going to, I'm really trying to just keep that momentum, keep it going because I know it works. But for some reason my brain sometimes just goes, I can't be. And I'll just stop doing it. So I want to just keep that, keep that moving, keep that momentum.

Why is it that things are so good for us? Our brains go, can't be where it's like, exercise is like the best thing in the world for you. And you do it for a week, a month, two months, three months. And you'd be like, yeah, I feel pretty good. Can't be. And you go back to your old habits, literally. Or like you were, you're crushing it at work. You're feeling good, you're feeling mentally healthy, you've got a lot of energy. And then you'd be like, I'll just start eating cheeseburgers, it'd be fine. I won't meditate that much. Like, it's so ridiculous, isn't it?

That's what happens. It's like, what, you know what? You know, why aren't we incentivized to do those things? Like, you know, everyone's looking for the quick fixes on fitness. Yeah, just eat healthy, go to the gym and drink water. Like it's all you need. Yeah, but it's so hard to execute.

It's this is the thing. And it's like, people are just the sum of their habits, right? And I literally wrote down, like, I saw this doctor writing this thing, and I had an injury ages ago, so I get a bit of niggling back pain every now and then. But he literally said, are you choosing acute pain or chronic pain? So in my calendar, every morning it pops up. Are you choosing acute pain or hard pain or chronic pain? And what that means is, are you choosing to go to the gym today or are you choosing not to do that? And you're going to have really bad pain for the rest of your life. If you go to the gym, you will have no pain. Go to the gym, you fucking idiot. And it comes back to, like, one of these quotes where it's like, hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life. If you're making those hard choices every day to eat well, to meditate, to exercise, and you don't even have to do it every day, even 90% of the time, 80% of the time, you'll be fine, you're making those choices. You will have an easy life. If you're making the easy choices of sitting down, not stretching, watching too much Netflix, not, you know, engaging with your partner or being present or being on your phone too much, you're going to have a very hard life and you're going to have seriously challenging problems to overcome.

Yeah, I think Australians in particular, you know, me included there, like, we're very much like, should we write, mate? Sort of attitudes.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Like, oh, no, don't worry about it, it'll be okay. Or like, you know, it'll get better. Or like, I'll do it one day, or, you know, next, I'll start next week. Or, you know, like, although we talk.

About it, do we? We're like, nah, you know, it's. Even if you're feeling shit, go, yeah, nah, all right, mate. You know, like, people don't really talk about it, and we've got the kind of, you know, Aussie battler and everything will be okay optimistic mindset, when in reality, we need to get in front of this and be like, no, I need to stand up for myself, put myself first, not have all this sense of obligation or guilt to do all these work things or things that aren't serving you and put your physical and mental health first. And it's like that analogy of, like, when you're in a plane, right, and you fucking nose diving and the little things come down, what do they teach you? Put the oxygen mask on Yourself first, then put it on your kids, right? And that's what you need to do in life as well, as hard as that is, because we want to put other people ahead of us. And even when we talk about accountability, why the fuck is it that if I'm accountable to someone else, I have to do something for someone else? Fucking 100% of the time I'm doing it. If I'm accountable to myself, I'll be like, ah, let it go, mate. She'll be right.

No, I resonate with that so much. And even like dealing with those, you know, insecurities or things that you have personally before entertaining, well, not entertaining, but before, like help, not helping others. But like for me, for example, like I, you know, since I've recently become single, I think the idea of like, I need to focus on myself and get me to here, that's my, that's my number one goal. Because I felt I was probably down, you know, you know, for my, you know, my, my foal sort of just like let, let the, the cookie drop a little bit during that time. So for me it's like, no, like I need to focus on myself before I think about anyone else. You know, I want to get back to the gym, I want to get back into work. I need to be like, you know, I just want to build myself up to a point where like, I'm a winner, I'm just an A grade killer. And then it's like, then everything else is going to fall into place. But if you start focusing on other shit first and you don't focus on yourself, like I think that's when you just fall into bad habits. You start drinking too much or you just like hanging out with the wrong people or you just, you know what I mean? All those things. Sounds creepy.

And isn't it wild that when you focus on yourself and you do all those things, all that other stuff falls into place. Like you start, start to attract people like you, whether they're going to be partners or friends or business partners or whatever it may be. And it's like everyone tries. Not everyone, but there's this thing in our society where we need to focus on, especially in Australia and in America as well, our jobs. What do we do? How do we change the world or how much money do we have? All this sort of shit. And in reality, if you focus on your physical health, your mental health, how happy you are, all of these kind of things, all that other shit falls into place because you make better decisions. You're more effective at Work, you're more efficient. You're just the best version of yourself. And of course the best version of yourself gonna get out there and get all those fucking things because you're feeling great 100%.

You're confident, I think confidence, a big one, you know. Another example, like when it was in Milwaukee yesterday or the day before I met someone during the course I was at and you know, we had a basic good day. And then there was the Milwaukee summer festivals. Cause like a big music festival Milwaukee. And we're like, fuck it. Okay, let's go. The go to the Milwaukee, you know, festival. And had an amazing time. Like when it had concerts and got, did the bull riding, I was like watching all this like random Milwaukee. And in the past I probably wouldn't have done that. I would have been like, ah, nah, I'm tired. Like I want to go, you know, I'm just gonna go, I don't know, like, do nothing in my room. I was like, it, like, let's go. And had a great night, you know. And yeah, probably never, you know, finished that, went home, was fine. Probably would never see her again. But she was a cool, cool chick. It was a good day, you know, and it was just good fun. And I would probably have never done it before.

Yeah. And this is the thing, like.

When you think about these scenarios, you kind of get afraid and you think of the worst case scenario. I don't want to do that. In case this happens. And you automatically go to that. And that's a made up scenario, right? Like that very rarely happens. And if you're making up scenarios, why don't you make up the best case scenario? So, so this is the mental model I've started using. Cause I've got a risk brain, always goes to what could happen. And then I kind of, I studied, went to B school and then they teach you. I discovered that I was really good at strategy. Top the class in strategic management. And the reason for that is, I discovered later was risk is the other side of strategy. So if I could go out and my brain's automatically, oh, what about this, this, this, this, this, this, this, right? Which is debilitating. But then you're like, okay, that's the landscape. Now we know the, you know, the kind of field we're playing on. How can we use that to our advantage? Right? So, and then, so that's good, that's one thing I learned about myself. But I've still got that risk thing. And it'll automatically go to, oh, you don't want to Go and do that. What if this happens? It's going to be fucked. It's going to be. Your life's going to be. You're going to lose everything. You might as well just fucking die. So I'm like, great, if we're choosing scenarios, why don't I choose the best case scenario? So I'm like, okay, the worst case scenario is, let's say, Ben, with you with that girl. The worst case scenario is, I don't know, you say something dumb and she slaps you in the face, you never see her again. Yeah, the best case scenario is you really gel with this person. She's amazing. You have great times together. You might even get together. That's the best case scenario. The reality is it's probably somewhere in the middle where you just go out and you have a good time. Like you did. That is one of the best mental models I've ever discovered.

Yeah, totally. And I went to that place, I'm like. And this wasn't like a, you know, trying to get a girlfriend. It was just. She was like a cool. She was like a mate, right? And my worst case in my mind was like, oh, I'm gonna be awkward. What I'm gonna talk about, like, I barely know this person. Like, fuck, we're probably there for like three hours. They're gonna talk about. And in the best case scenario was like, I just have a great night, I see a bunch of Milwaukee and, you know, I move on because I'm leaving the next day. Like, that's the best case scenario. And that's exactly what happened.

So, yeah, and you think about it like, man, we always worry about this stuff. And when you worry, you suffer twice, right? Like, you worry and you suffer and then if the event happens, you worry again. You think about the worst things. And really the things we do to ourselves, the worst case scenarios are what we do to ourselves. And they're in our heads. It's not the reality that will eventuate. And if you think about the worst case scenario, like going into a meeting or having to ask for something or something you're afraid to do, it never happens. People aren't like that. And people, they're just like you. They're just as awkward, they're just as anxious, they're just still worried. Like, no one is perfect with this kind of stuff. Everyone's an idiot. Like, you're all fine. Everyone's. Everyone's stupid.

And when you start to realize that, you're like, oh, okay, you're not really afraid you'll Go up, you talk to anyone, you just, you just put yourself out there.

Yeah, just like everyone else. So good, let's shift gear a little bit. Do you want to go into the Elon Musk Twitter deal? That.

Okay, wait, before we jump on that, let's do meme of the week. Now last week I did share my screen, but for some reason it didn't come through. And mate, did I cop it. All of my mates were on it. They're just like, oh, you share your screen, you don't know how to do it. You work in product, you work in tech, you don't know what you're doing. Oh, you're gonna get fired. You're a piece of. It just went downhill from there. They're just need some new mates. So.

So this time we've got a YouTube guy who's going to put it on the screen. I'm still going to share my screen, right? And Ben has told me this is happening. So look, if this doesn't happen, all the hate goes to Ben. It's like Ben Simpson AU on Twitter. You'll see his head. All the hate that way. Any love, send it to Baby Back Berg on Twitter. But he, he deserves it. He needs a bit of a smackdown.

I noticed, man, you got, you finally got a new pick. You got rid of your bloody drop bears. You gotta get another pick now. You got a bio, you've leveled up. You've gone from shitty profile pick, no bio, to like, you're in the game now, mate.

You know, you know what this was? This was during a time where I had used to have my face on there, but I started to get into all these DOWs and NFTs and it was all a non crowd and I started thinking like, oh, I'm in discord, I'm posting all this stuff. If anyone sees, I'm pretty much going to jail. Like, just kid.

And then there's also the like, oh, I don't want them to know, like what I'm into, what's happening. I'll use this as an on account. And then I'm like, well it. I'm doing this podcast. People know I work for Collective Shift. All this stuff happens. Look, if you don't like it, you can suck a fat one, honestly. And if.

That'S just the reality of the situation, like, I can't be bothered with administering multiple accounts and doing this stuff. People know who I am, they know what I'm about. Even people have said to me, they're like, bergs, man, when you're on the pod. That's exactly what you're like in real life. I'm like, yes, son, would you expect any different? Like, I'm not going to put on a front or do any. This is just who I am. Anyway, so, yeah, I've changed the, the profile. Got the pic that actually looks like me, which is wild. It's this Bitmoji thing and my partner made it and she shows you. I was like, holy shit, that's me, this gangster.

So put that up. And I got, I looked at your profiles, like, yeah, the next one's gonna be the LinkedIn one. Do it across all the socials, mate, and get it going. All right, show me the place.

Let's.

Let's jump into it, mate. So. So this is Meme of the week.

So this is Elon Musk. And on the left he's there and he's praying and it says, elon's pull out game with women.

And on the right, it's Elon's pull out, pull out game with Twitter. And he's just got the Superman vest going like this because he's just top notch. It is so good. So Elon, he's a lad. He's had many, many partners. He's got about a million kids. His pull out game ain't strong, but with Twitter, he went in, he's like, I'm acquiring you guys. That's it, you're gonna be mine. And then he's like, nah. And his pull out games, just strong. And then to back it up, Elon Musk, he posts this on Twitter. Doing my best to help the underpopulation crisis. A collapsing birth rate is the biggest danger civilization faces by far. He's legit backed it up. He's gonna have about a million kids. He's getting amongst it. Elon Musk, Meme of the week, baby. Love it.

He's.

Following some of that stuff. So he basically had what, another two kids with a staff member of his. He's recently divorced. He's got already six.

I didn't hear that. I heard. I knew he was with Grimes and they got divorced. Right. And they had a kid. Yeah. So now he's got a kid with a staff member. Two kids with a staff member.

Yeah, two. Two kids. She works for the Eurolink Euro link. Neurolink, one of his companies.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The brain thing. Yeah, yeah. And then it comes out. That is wild. I'm doing it for the, you know, because the birth rate slowdown.

You can't make this up. You know what I Like about Elon is he knows what's coming and he gets in front of it. Where I think there was like, was it a sexual assault thing or was it a weird thing that was kind of happening that was going to be put out? And he got in front of it and he was just like, no, this is what's happening. There's gonna be a lot of political coming out about me.

Yeah.

And if something comes out, like the underpopulation thing, you know, with his pull out game, which was hilarious. And then he leveraged that meme to then tie into the stuff that's going on in his personal life, he just really gets amongst it. He's like a month or two ahead of things that are happening. And the huge following that he has, he's able to frame that for people before the situation happens. So they think of it through his lens rather than their own or the other person spinning the story.

Good positioning. And I didn't read too much into it. I saw the headline say I was getting the plane there. So he's basically put out of the Twitter deal. I think from what I read, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Twitter basically? Or he's saying that Twitter wasn't giving him the data on the bots. That was one of his biggest, like, issues. And he wasn't getting that data from them. They're stalling. So he goes, you, I'm not paying you money then. And now I saw that the board threatening endor and now taking legal action because they think that there was enough of the deal done to, to, you know, to warrant the payment.

So exactly are you getting? I'm getting spammed by so many bots, man, it's ridiculous. Do you get the same thing on Twitter, like dms?

Yeah, yeah, all the time.

It is ridiculous. And even though he's talking about bots, that may be one thing in the contract that they had to do before they come to negotiating terms. But look, here's the reality of the situation. He was paying was like 50, 54, 2420, baby, for a, for a share for Twitter. And what happened that was like a premium of, I don't know, 10 or 20% on the Twitter price. So the reality of that is if you make a good offer, shareholders are going to go for it. What happens that sets the new price. So the price went up to that amount, 5,420, you know, that's what you're going to get. That is now the new market price. The problem with that is the deal starting to Go through. Twitter has fallen by about 47% to about 36 bucks. Right. So Elon's paying all this money. He's paying it 54, 20 and it's only worth 36, 47% decline. Anyone with business sense is going to want to get out of that deal because it is bullshit. And I think there's a clause in there where he has to pay a billion dollars to get out. Great. It was a 44 billion dollar deal. It's now worth 22 billion. You have to pay a billion to get out. You save yourself 21 billion. Amazing. So I think he's just setting that up to either increase his negotiation posture or to get out of a bad deal. And you just see that reflected in the share price.

Well, yeah, all the tech stocks sold off, like, everything's down. And I think it took another 5 or 6% tumble after that was announced. He wasn't buying Twitter.

Yeah.

Then there was also all the uproar of all the staff, apparently, weren't we? Not all the staff, but there was a lot of staff that weren't going to be very happy about him. Like, I feel this is just so much like, so much our Twitter, the.

Whingiest staff on the planet, aren't they?

Did you see that video of like the Slack recording everyone? No, no.

What happened? What happened?

Oh, someone was like screen recording all these channels. It was literally, you can imagine Twitter's slack channels, like 5, 10, I don't know how many thousands people. And it was just like Slack channel set up, ripping shreds off him. Like, you know, as he was doing his live video to the, to the team and just all the staff getting there, just ripping him.

Could you imagine what it would be like if Twitter was privatized? But even these big tech companies, right, like they, they're private, then they eventually go public. They've got all these kind of, you know, laws and disclosures and the things they have to do now. But all my mates are working big tech. They're just like, you can just disappear. Like, have you ever. You watched Silicon Valley? The TV show?

Yeah, yeah.

So like the guy, big head, they hire him and then he's like, what do I do? He's like, I don't know. So he just goes up on the roof and just sunbakes all day and just chills out because they've got so many people doing all this stuff. And this is what the, my first million guys are talking about, where they're running these startups and they're like, oh, My God, this guy from Google or Facebook is applying and they're like, great, your first 90 days, what are you going to do? And like, how did you make this decision with this product? And it's all like, well, there was a committee and the decision was made for me. Then I kind of went away and did the engineering. There's no like, you know, grab the bull by the horns. This is what we're doing. We're changing everything. We're going to have this kind of cadence, you know, that's the kind of stuff you want. And it's just unbelievable where they're big bureaucratic businesses where people have so much luxury and time to sit around and complain about these things. That's phenomenal.

It is.

It's too. Too many people, too many, too much friction to actually get things done. Yeah. High performers aren't rewarded that well because it takes so long and it's bureaucratic that you've got all this spare time and slack in your day to talk about these things. Super wild, man.

A CEO of a company with like 5 or 10,000 people like that. You're not doing any work. You're literally just managing people. Well, you are because you're doing the public facing, like talking and board meetings. Yeah, it would be so bureaucratic, It'd be so painful.

It's like your job at that level is literally set tone and direction, talk to exec team, make sure they're aligned and talk to the board and be the front face of the company. That's as far as you go. Like you, you hire exec team and you incentivize them and then just. Yeah.

Well, pretty much at that point you're pretty much in depositions all the time and in court, like getting on like where they're calling you in. Yeah. Whether you're Google, Apple, whatever, and they want to know about tech privacy or antitrust stuff. They want to break up your company or. Yeah, it's, it's a bum deal, man. Like running a business that big. What are you thinking about, mate? You want to grow collective shift to a billion dollar business. So we've got what, a handful of employees at the moment? We're going to get, we're going to get more, we're going to grow. Where do you see, see yourself kind of going with this? Are you going to lead that huge company? What, what are your thoughts around this or what are the stages to get there?

That's a good question. I think it's probably model. It's similar off the morning brew. You Know the Morning Brew newsletter?

Yeah.

Alex Lieberman was one of the co founders and basically they got acquired. I'm not sure how big they are now. They probably have at least a couple hundred staff. And he went from CEO, I think he was CEO to now the chairman and he basically took his more front facing role, wanted to get more into content, but just, you know, hired a professional CEO to basically run the company and then he just went and did that he wanted to do. I think at some point that'll get to that, that level where I'm for me just about enjoying it and also the most value of the company if it gets to a point where I'm actually not enjoying it as much being the CEO. But there's this certain part of the company that I really want to focus into, whether it be product, front facing strategy, whatever that might be, versus gets to a point where it's like actually I see a lot of value in getting a, an a great CEO that has done this before to take us from point A to point B or point D to point E and that would be the best thing for the company, then I'd do that. So I think it's a bit hard to tell at this stage because when Ivan, you know, yeah, yeah, we're not there yet and haven't been there at that point. But I just want to follow my passion, follow where I can add the most value and where I can have the most out of the company. And if that's a different position, we'll, we'll, we'll come to that at that point. I think so that's kind of a little while down the track though, right? Because it's. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't try, I wouldn't trust any like running, you know, run.

The business like, you know, that's it exactly. Like even the CEO Spotify was saying like, okay, we're gonna be a part of public company now. It's going to take me two years to become a good CEO. And he started working on those things. But you have to want those things to put the effort in to be that kind of person. And the way it was explained to me was generally there's starters and there's runners. So starters are 0 to 1 and runners are 1 to end. And I just love starting, I love building stuff. I like creating it, I like there being nothing. Then there's something. I still like iterating on it and going with it. But if we get to the point where it's like I'm the chief product Officer And I've got, I don't know, 20, 20 product managers reporting to me and doing all that kind of stuff. I'm like, oh, I don't know, maybe I will enjoy it. Maybe I'll get to that point and be like, yeah, this is what I want to do. But at the moment, I'm just enjoying it way too much. Just getting in the weeds, creating something from nothing, throwing it out there, getting the feedback and just. Just making awesome.

And everyone's doing. Everyone's in it. Everyone's like, we're building a bear market. It's like, back up against the walls. It's. It's so much fun.

How good is the feeling, though? Like that. Like, man, you get so complacent when you have so much money, but when you have scarcity, that's like, scarcity is literally your friend. You're like, no, I have to focus. I don't have the luxury of spending too much time or money or people or resources on this thing. It has to be the thing. And we all move together in, you know, the same step. We go in the same direction to execute on these things, because the only thing we can control is our effort and what we put in. We can't control, you know, what the market says and everything else, or when the money comes in. And it's just so nice to have that focus and not have tons of cash and be like, oh, we could do this, we could do that. And that's when you really lose focus, and you need to stick to your strategy. Right when you're on top is when you're the easiest to get knocked off.

That perch, and you build that momentum, that scarcity, and then, you know, you're celebrating those wins. You're building more lean, more profitable. Everyone's doing better stuff. Like, it's a much better environment than raising $100 million and trying to spend just burning money on fire.

That's the thing where, you know, when you're raising money, the first couple of, you know, raises, you're on easy mode. And then once you start to build your company, you've got product market fit, then you're on hard mode. Because what you have to do, the. The raises go more and more, investors expect more and more, and then you have to, like, hyperscale. And if you don't have that culture and that mindset in your company because things have come to you easily, you're in a world of trouble.

Totally agree.

Whereas our company, we have all these shared experiences, all these things that we'll Remember that? We fought through that. You know, that binds us. It creates cohesion, it creates trust. It creates really awesome teams that will then carry forward into the future, teams that we build and the mindset that we have.

Yeah, love that. And I much prefer that, to be honest. We're all like, you know, in A. There's 10 of us just, like, grinding it out, hustling, accelerating those wins, making happen. It's. It's a lot of fun.

It's awesome, man. It's so good. We're in the trenches together. It's. It's. It's fantastic, man. Hey, should we. Should we do meal of the week, mate? Have you got something for me?

I've got something for you.

All right, you go first and then I'll go. Right.

I have to. Feels like you've got something big, so I'm gonna share my.

I've got something. We did say we were gonna do chicken burgers, but I didn't get around to a chicken burger this week. But I do have a meal of the week, and, mate, you better be ready.

Well, I've actually didn't get to a chicken burger either this week, so that's a.

Wait. What's going on? You gotta stay true to yourself, mate. It should be your morning routine.

I usually bleed chicken, but I didn't get to any this week.

So good. So good.

Okay, here is.

What is this?

This is called a funnel cake. This is the first time I've ever had it. This is a. I'm pretty sure I might be exaggerating. I'm pretty sure this is a local Milwaukee dessert. Think of this as like a pancake meets waffle meets heaven. Oh, it's like this. It's like a meats donut. So it's like a donutty waffly pancakey tube that they, like, comes out of the thing and they deep fry it and they wrap it around and they sprinkle.

Icing sugar on the top. And it's incredible. It is.

How big the shit.

Like, it's probably like. Yeah, like, bigger than your head.

Oh, lad.

Bigger than my. Bigger than my lid. Oh, it was great the first time I ever had it. Highly recommend.

This reminds me, there's an Indian sweet called Jalebi's. I think it's J, E, L, A, B I S. And it looks like that, but it's literally they. And it looks bright orange. If you ever see. If you ever go to Indian sweet shop, just get the bright orange one. And it's literally sugar syrup. That's deep fried and then put more sugar syrup on top. Like, seriously, you'll be jacked. You'll be like, if you finish. Indians are mental. Oh, man. All right.

Okay, what do you got?

All right, all right. So went out to dinner, mate. I went out to a restaurant and it was called Soma S a u m a. So we start off with cocktails. Mate, this cocktail lad perfectly is an Indian place within your food. Okay, first up, I cannot go out for Indian food. My mum makes, like, the best Indian food on the planet. And when I go out, I'm like this, this is watery dog shit. And you charge it too much. You're a piece of shit. Right? So I very rarely go out for Indian food because I just get mad. I throw tables and then I just run out of the restaurant. So, okay, so I had this recommendation from a mate of mine and it's kind of a win win for me because if it's a good restaurant, then great. I had a great experience. If it's a bad restaurant, I get to hammer my mate about it. So this is how we kicked off with cocktails, right? This is beautiful. So this had. This was gin, mint and kaffir lime with a dehydrated lime wheel in there. Perfect start to like an Indian like, dinner, right, mate? Oh, and then there's writer on the bottom left there as well. So that's like a really, like yogurt with cucumber and grapes in it for really hot curries. That was delicious. Okay, this is palak paneer. So palak means spinach. And paneer is kind of like a Indian cottage cheese, mate, the way they cook this, oh my God, it just melts in your mouth. Like, I could drink this. It was that good. Like, it was unbelievable. And we had like garlic naan with it as well, which is the fluffiest thing on the planet. And just eating this, smashing through it. And then, mate, the ultimate got stuck into goat curry. So if it's ever goat curry, if it's ever a goat curry on a menu, or if you're eating Thai duck curry, I'm getting into it. Always goat man. And this thing was delicious. Like, it was just melt in your mouth. Amazing curry. Thought I'd died and gone to heaven, man. It was just that good. And then this was the entree. This is onion bhaji. So this is like onions with spices and stuff and then fried. And it was just unbelievable. Like, mate, I will give this place or I'm giving it a 9 out of 10. I'm not giving it 10 for two reasons. The goat curry could have been spicier and the roti that they gave us was just dog. I don't know, it was just like, it wasn't, it wasn't fluffy, it wasn't oily enough. It was probably, probably like good for what it is. But I'm like, nah, I'll just go with the garlic naan and then I'll get a spicy goat curry and it will be a 10 out of 10, mate. What do you rate yours out of 10?

Oh, I missed my. Ready? That's a big, that's a, that's a four course meal you've just given us. That's the four course meal of the week.

I tell you what, I, I, they had a set menu for 60 bucks and you got like 20 things and you walk out of there sideways. But they didn't have like the goat curry and the paneer and they're like, but I really want those things. So we ordered those instead.

Yeah, the set menu is like the, you know, just the off, the sort of the off cuffs, you know, like not the popular stuff they have to try and like.

It'S.

What have they got left over, mate?

Yeah, exactly.

Whatever's going bad in the fridge.

60 bucks set menu. Okay, I'm gonna get my, give my final cake. I'm gonna give it a, give it an 8. He's not a dessert man, but yeah, I was, I was a fan of that.

Not a dessert man. Oh, I love dessert. Although if they have like instead of dessert they have like cheese and wine or like a port or coffee. I'll always go for that. I love cheeses. You like cheeses, man?

Yeah, I love cheese.

Yeah, get amongst it. Oh, I just love like a cheese. Like give me like a couple of different cheeses, like a blue and a hard cheese and something else and then like a couple of grapes or figs or some quince paste. A couple of crackers like nice port or wine. Oh, lad, get it on.

Mate, we, I'm, I'm back in, I'm back in Australia next week. So our next episode, episode six is going to be back in the land down under. I'll be back on Thursday.

We can do it at a decent time, mate.

Mate, I'll be able to have a coffee rather than drinking alcohol when I, you know, have a beer.

When. We'll measure, we'll measure your performance, mate. Like how you're rated. Oh yeah. When you're not, boost up. Just, just grab an Irish coffee, mate. You're the CEO, you can do what you want.

Yeah, actually it was funny the guys from Zipmex were. Because I did a, I did a webinar with them with their, with their users the other day and yeah, and they were saying, oh mate, you didn't, didn't bring your, your seltzer to the, to the webinar. They'll be watching the show.

Yeah, I did see that in Slack. They're like we thought you'd be drinking like 8% White Claws, mate. What's going on? They've just pinned you like into this like stereotype where you like your random hotel behind a laptop sucking down coffees and White Claws, mate. So good.

Oh dude, yeah, that's a better burger show. So anyway, I'll be my travel. So go from here to San Francisco tomorrow, Monday night. San Francisco to LA, LA to Fiji. I mean Fiji for 10 hours. It's 10 hour layover in Fiji during the day and then Fiji to Melbourne, Melbourne to Lonnie. It's going to take me 20, 22 hours on a plane. About 30, 34, 35 hours.

That's wild. What's the Fiji airport like? They got stuff to do there or is it near a beach or something? What are you going to do in your 10 hour stopover, mate?

No, the airport. Yeah, the airport was like, yeah, that's not much happening in the airport. So I'm going to, I'm going to go out, I'm going to go outside. I'm going to.

I've got no idea what I'm going to do but if I'd have been.

White Claws, mate.

I don't know.

How far is the flight back from Fiji to Australia?

About four hours to Melbourne.

That's not too bad.

So 10 hours. 10 hours from LA to Fiji.

Yeah.

And then four hours.

10 hours is. Yeah, I'll start to get itchy about the eight hour mark.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. 16 hours direct from LA to Sydney. Like I probably would do just because you get out of the way. But it's. That's, that's so difficult. That's so.

Yeah.

Going down.

Long haul flights, mate. Why hasn't flying gotten better? They got to do it. We know why, because it sucks and it's hard to do. But I'm just waiting for that one day or at least like, you know, let us teleport or something. Come on guys, get amongst it. Elon, if you're listening baby. Teleportation.

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Mate, you nailed it. And we talk about mindset a lot. And we've been through all the. We've been through every single scam. We've lost so much money. You'll learn forever from us so you won't have to. We've got the battle scars to prove it.

It's on the blockchain. We can't hide from it, mate. It's gonna be there forever. Like Burger Scott scam. Here, here and here.

Go to my open sea. There's. There's mine.

Yeah, yeah. All the NFTs are now worth zero. Yeah, we should listen to Matt more.

Awesome episode. Loved it.

Awesome, man. And enjoy your trip. Hey, and I'll see you next week.

Have a good one, man. Enjoy your trip back. See ya.

Good man. Bye. Bye.