54. The Inspiring Story of a 3-Time Olympian Snowboarder Overcoming 2x Career Ending Injuries To Become World Champion

The mental aspect is probably what separates you from everyone else. So that's really important. Then like when I go back to saying about the state of flow, when you go into that state of flow, it's like being able to control your adrenaline levels to a certain point where you don't stop, how you process things.

Welcome back to another episode of the Benneberg show with your favorite MBA and high school dropout. And today we have another amazing guest joining us from rainy Victoria Belle Brockoff. Now bear with me as we read through the just that laundry list of amazing medals and championships that she's won. And she's an elite snowboarder. Bell was a world champion, 14 time World cup medalist, including four golds, four silver's, four bronze Winter Olympian, three time Winter Olympian. Yeah, three time Winter Olympian, seven Australian NZ champion and two Winter X Games athletes. That is an amazing list of accomplishments. Bill, what up?

That's a lot of energy.

So I was doing this last night like writing down the accomplishments, accomplishments and Bel mentioned today that the website hadn't been updated. So it was even better than we were discussing last night. But we thought we'd bring Bell onto the pod because she's got an amazing story. She's been through a lot as her sort of in her sports career and we're going to go through a lot of that. But also she's, she's deep into crypto. She's now I think a collective shift member and we thought it'd be an amazing time to go through and talk about her journey through the ups and downs, how she became a professional athlete, what's it like being a professional athlete and also how she thinks about investing for the long term, you know, building with wealth, post sporting career and thoughts around crypto. So Bell, thank you much for coming. I would love for you to maybe give a bit of a background story. I'm sure I probably butchered that intro so hopefully you can give a bit better introduction of who you are. And yeah, we'd love to hear a bit more about yourself.

It's pretty good, pretty good intro.

But yeah, like that's probably like a, I guess the, the tip of the iceberg of what I've done in the sport, been in the sport for a very long time and I got into it when I was three, well skiing when I was three years old. So I didn't always snowboard. That was kind of the thing that you did when you first hopped onto the mountains up here. And then my mum got a snowboard when I was nine. Years old. And I got really jealous and just begged her for a snowboard because it was considered the dark side. And, you know, when you're that young, you're a bit rebellious. So I made her. She made me a deal, Said get to level one in ski school, which is the top level. Okay, and we'll get you a snowboard. So I did it very quickly, and then the following year, I got a snowboard. And then just every single day was like, before the first lift open, I would be hiking up, snowboarding down, hiking up, catch the first lift, and then go all day until the very last lift, and then would go inside, have dinner, go outside again, and then build, like, little jumps and stuff and just keep going at it.

Just loved it.

Yeah, frothed it, frothed it. And. Yeah. And then I started competing and started, you know, doing well in races. I thought, yeah, I could. I could really do quite well here. This is what I really want to do. So that same year, I wanted to. When I was 10, I wanted to, you know, go to the Olympics and represent my country in the sport. So, yeah, I just haven't really looked back since. And eventually I kind of narrowed it down to. To just Alpine GS snowboarding, which is like a totally different board to what you normally see on, like, Shaun White, Scotty James, few of those big dogs. But it's basically going around flags as fast as you can. So I kind of focused on that for a bit when I was 14, until I was about 18, and then when I was 19, lost a bit of passion for it. And I thought, oh, you know, I still want to make the Olympic Games, and I still love snowboarding. So I looked into border cross, which is what I do today. So for those who don't know what border cross is, it's basically, if you've seen BMX racing with the smaller bikes, it's like that on a snowboard with longer, bigger tracks, and we just race down in groups of four, and it's just an elimination process. So, yeah, that's been my whole life.

Amazing. What was your impact or the impact of your parents playing on you in the sport? Because, like, I'm not sure where you grew up, you grew up in. In Melbourne or Victoria.

It was a mix between Victoria and New South Wales.

Okay.

So when I was one, I was born in Melbourne.

Yeah.

When I turned one, we moved up to Byron Bay in Newingsdale, which is a small little suburb outside of Byron. And we spent about 10 years there. And we've kind of flew down to Victoria to go to the slopes every single year. Because my dad side of the family had a lot to do with setting up the lifts, being one of the guarantors for the lift companies up at Mount Bulla. So he had like a couple little huts, like bark huts on the land up at Mount Buller. And eventually that was bought out and they built a chalet there. We had a small apartment in there.

So yeah, like quite a big influence. And you know, I was a mad skier as well. Like I loved it. I had a lot of energy as a child as well. And mum just kind of put me into any type of sport just to make me carc it at night time. Yeah. So I sleep, you know, because I had so much energy. Like she said that I was like banned from three kindergartens because I was screaming all the time and poking other kids and coming home with all their pacifiers in my pockets and stuff and so good. So like, yeah.

So she was like, oh my God, this is quite the terror. So she just put me in all kinds of sports and skiing was one of them. So.

Amazing. Yeah, that's fantastic.

And how does that actually work? So you're living like near the slopes or on the slopes. What do you do for like the summer part of the year? Do you travel for that or you just do other things?

Yeah. So like, you know, when we're in Australia, we have different resorts in the country. So during June, July, August, September, I go up to the snow, which is like 3 to 7 hour drive depending on what resort you want to go to, and just set up camp there. And we have a couple resorts that build us tracks and give us facilities to use to get better on snow. And then around October, November, we head overseas and base ourselves out of Switzerland and we kind of travel around to different countries and organize training camps with other teams. And then we have the world Cups kicking off in December, so it's pretty full on. We don't get much sun and I hate the cold. So it's not coming to Melbourne. Yeah, I live in Melbourne, chase the snow.

But yeah, that's fantastic.

And Bill, in your family, I saw that your uncle Peter competed in the alpine skiing in the 1960, 1964 Winter Olympics. And also your grandfather Harold was one of the original pioneers of Mount Buller.

Yeah.

And your aunt Joyce was named in the honor of Mount Hotham. So like this sport runs deep in your family. Do you think it was always, do you put it down to like your genes and like, you know, the, you know, family history That I guess, you know, push you down that path? Or do you think it was more on your own accord that you believe that, you know, wanted to do it?

Definitely. The family definitely gave me the opportunity to hop on snow and do all that. And like, obviously, like, you know, with Peter Brockhoff going to the Olympic Games, like, that's pretty inspiring to be able to, you know, continue on that sort of legacy as well. But in, you know, I'm the first snowboarder in the family, so I've kind of gone left side of field for that. But yeah, and then like my mum, like, she's come from, she's come from a completely different background from like, she's from Malaysia. She moved to Australia when she was 19 years old, had nothing to her name.

And she's worked really hard to be where she is today. So I think a combination of like, her hard worth, work ethic and dedication to building something for herself and combination of the opportunities that my dad's heart, the family has given me has just led to this amazing life.

That's awesome. That's really cool.

That's fantastic. I really like a lot, like. And what was this step up, like, so, you know, you've been trading your whole life and then eventually, like, what was the big leap for you? Was it becoming an Olympian and competing on that stage?

Yeah, it was like it was a mix of all kinds of things. Like we'd, you know that we've had two guys in Australia for border cross that had paved the way for the sport and we hadn't had. And you know that they've won globes and a couple World Championship titles and World cup medals and stuff, but we hadn't had any females do it. Um, so for me, I really wanted to pave the way to become the first female Australian ever to, to get a World cup medal. Um, and eventually led to a win and then, you know, going to the Olympics and just building on top of that. So that was something that was really special for me, like, collectively. Yeah.

And talk us through, like, what it, you know, the. You talk about the intensity of training and we're laughing about it sort of before the podcast about, you know, the stuff you're having to do, even sort of the off season. What is it like being like, put us, put us, you know, non fit people in the athlete in your shoes. Like, talk us through, like when you're like working towards a World Championship or a Winter, Winter Olympics, you know, you're a few months out. What, what is a. What does a day look like for you? What does a week look like for you for training and. Yeah, how do you shape up for those big events?

Yeah, so like right now I'm in preseason training, which is really hard. There's a lot of time underweight and very minimal rest in between sets and everything. And that's just to create a big foundation for the rest of the year. Um, but we, you know, we break it up into blocks. You know, we have the prep and then we go into more specific things, maybe strength. And then probably as we get closer to snow season, we go more into more explosive side of things. Very quick movements which involves like, you know, cleans, moving weight, fast jumping over hurdles, box jumps and whatnot. Just to kind of replicate that on snow movement pattern. And then for like major events, you know, you just. For me, like I just treat it like any other event, Olympics, world champs, world cups, just to keep that consistency and not, you know, the power of overthinking is pretty incredible. So trying to keep that emotional state as level headed as possible and just ticking along, working away at the little goals as much as possible. And sometimes I have a meltdown like because like it's, it's like you're trying to perform at this high, like higher than, you know, what people most go into sports too. Like you're going globally against everyone and you're trying to perform as best as you can. And sometimes the drop off to, you know, if you're disappointed or things that go your best way, sometimes it's a pretty hard fall. So that's why you see Olympians that go into post blues for Olympic Games. Because it's such a high drop off. But yeah, just ticking along as best as you can.

Yeah, it'd be insane. It's such a big build up for like, you know, Olympics.

Right.

Every four years it's a big build up for not that long.

Yeah.

How much of it is a mental game? Like as a very amateur golfer, I know that 90 of why I'm terrible is all in the head.

Right.

Like as a, as Olympian, where you're like, you know, you're working, you know, split, split seconds. Right. Is the difference between, you know, third and first or you know, 11th and eighth, whatever it might be. How much is that a mental, a mental thing versus the physical side?

Yeah, like they talk a lot about like state of flow and everything. And then for me, like if you want to get to the very best.

More so than not, like all the athletes at the very top have a pretty solid program and off snow Psychologist, like physios, all that sort of stuff. So the mental aspect is probably what separates you from everyone else. So that's really important. Then like when I go back to saying about the city stat, like state of flow, like you, when you go into that state of flow, it's like being able to control your adrenaline levels to a certain point where you don't, you know, stop. How you process things, you're thinking, how you take in information, everything. Because it's a bit of like fight or flight. Like if you're in that flight zone, you're running away and you're getting away as possible. And the fight's like just all Australian pack stuff where you have crazy strength, you have faster reactions and everything. So athletes are very good at like controlling those two levels of arousal. And that's where you get some crazy ass performances where they can do these tricks that have never done before or you see them like shaking at the end or all that sort of stuff. So it's really important to control that when you're in the start gate. And I've been working on it more and more recently. Like I've been in the sport for a very long time, but, you know, you like, learning never stops. And I can feel it in my body and like around my chest area too. It's almost like anxiety, but not really. But you're in the start gate and like you're just trying to amp yourself up just enough where you have that fast twitch, pull out of the gate and explosivity for the rest of the course, but not too much where you can't think and you make stupid mistakes and not enough where you miss the pull, you know, so it's just an interesting feeling. And um, I think if any athlete listens to the podcast or for those who do listen to the podcast, who've tapped into that state of flow would, would know the feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

That is amazing. And Phil. Oh, that's incredible. On your website you, you said, you know, you need to be completely present or you'll suffer the consequences.

Yeah.

And you've talked about having a psychologist, but how do you kind of mentally prepare? What do you go through, what's your routine and how do you keep up your mental fitness?

So I could go back to like the foundation of good recovery for me. Like, you know, actually two days ago I had four, only four hours sleep. I don't know why, but sometimes your nervous system, because we're going into this prep season, there's a bit of a ramble, but we're in this prep season, your nervous system is so taxed that sometimes has this weird opposite effect of having deep. Lots of deep sleep. It just keeps you awake because you're all amped up.

So going back to sleep, you know, if I don't have enough sleep, around seven to nine hours sometimes, then my clarity of thought for the day is just. It's just messed up. Like, I can't. I'm not great. My productivity levels are just crap. So I usually try and take a nap and try and get that back. And then I have a way more, you know, ability to get things done in a short period of time than the whole day with not having enough sleep.

You know, and that's the most important thing. And then, you know, good food, having a good routine, and also switching off from, like, things that kind of, like for phones, for example, staring at your phones for a long period of times, like, that is narrow focus, and that actually slows your ability. In what I find in sport, how you react, how you take in information, how you make decisions, everything, it makes me really groggy and slow. So just having that little breakaway, you know, going for a walk. I go walk with my partner almost every day for an hour, hour and a half, and we just talk shit. Talk about different ideas or whatnot. And that's just, you know, looking after health. So it's just basic things that everyone can do, really. And it applies to being an athlete as well. Yeah.

That's amazing. And even when you were talking before, like, where you can do these crazy things, like, you're absolute ninja when you're going down. Right. It reminds me of, like, the way the special Forces guys talk. They have to go in, they have to do something completely hectic. And the way they kind of said to themselves and they breathe and, you know, just. Just focusing on that so when you go down, you can actually do those crazy things. You've just got that level of focus that's absolutely insane. And I'm just like, that what you just described there was just so beautiful, where it's just being a human and looking after yourself, like, getting your proper sleep, not being on your phone too much and going for a walk with your partner and just talking, like, doing basic human things. And I guess it was like. It's so. I'm so happy to, like, hear that kind of flow over into your normal life that's not in your, you know, crazy athletic life. Like, I know Ben has a lot of challenges with, you know, social media, his phone, all that kind of Stuff. And just hearing you say that is just give me a lot of hope because I struggle with it, too.

We have hope. So, Bill, you've, as you mentioned, you've been snowboarding for a long time, but it hasn't always been Rosie. No, you. I want to go back to.

11 months out from the 2018 Winter Olympics. You had a pretty serious injury. You had an ACL blowout. Talk us through, like, what that was like for you. Was that the first major injury you've had as a. Yeah. Talk us through, like, how that was leading up to a Winter Olympic Games. Obviously, this only comes around every four years. Talk us through what that time was like. You.

No, like, it's hard, like. And what people don't tell you about, like, the injuries and stuff, especially season enders, is that it's the. So shit because you're so bored you can't do your sport. I sound like a victim, but it just, it's just crap. Like, it's just crap because you can't do the thing that you love. So for me, like, I, you know, got to my first Olympic Games in 2014. I was quite the Labrador puppy. Like, oh, my God, it's exciting. You know, probably a bit of a tourist as well, to be honest. But, you know, I enter every race wanting to win it. And, you know, after 20, 20, 2014, I just kept building momentum and then, you know, found myself in the top three girls and then top two and then top one. And then I was, you know, when you're top one, you. You wear the yellow jersey, which is like, you know, Tour de France. You get accumulation of points and you get the leader jersey.

So the one to beat.

Yeah, the one, the bait. So you have a target on your back. So which is a lot harder to maintain than climb to.

Because you have to create your own person to chase, which is yourself, to maintain that as best as possible. So I'm, you know, 20, 2016, 17 season, I was in the yellow jersey and we got to the World Champs, I was one of the favorite to win. And I just let fear, probably the first time I've ever felt fear get the very best of me. Cloud complete. Clouded everything. I couldn't. I could snowboard a little bit, but I was crashing.

And this was during the World Champs testing laps. So what they do for testing is that they basically guinea pig the World Champs track and they have it in World Cups and Olympic Games as well to make sure that it's safe for all the riders. And I'd be testing the Courses leading up to this point, and I was happy to test for champs. But world champs tends to be a lot more technical, Especially back then, it was bigger. There was more features to memorize. You had to be very precise and know exactly what you were doing. And I think I just rushed myself into it because of probably being young. Hadn't been the sport, that discipline for a long time. Wanting to prove to other people.

And not thinking clearly on what I need to do and not taking the time to make sure that I knew my plan. So I kind of rushed myself into it, which was completely my fault. And then I remember pulling out, going through the start section. At the end of the stock section, I crashed, got up, kept riding, went over the few big jumps, which were fine. And then I came around the second corner. And then this feature, which was a double, which you gap over two rollers. You had to gap it. There was no way you could pump it at all.

Can you just explain what that means?

Yeah. So, like, it's like a camel hump.

Yep.

And you gap over both.

You can't go down the side.

You can't roll over it like a wave.

Yeah. How fast are you going?

Roughly that point? Probably, I would say 60Ks in that section, which was actually a slow. A speed that we got into. Like, it was probably faster up top because we were going downhill in a straight line. And then the turn kind of slows you down. So the exit speed was probably around 60. But I end up panicking.

Like I said, figuring the best of me. And then as I was going over the first roller, I couldn't get my legs over the backside because you had to jump it. And I slammed into the up of the next roller. So it was like 60Ks into a wall, which spat me upside down. I remember looking down at my feet thinking, why is there sky underneath my feet?

And I landed. I'm like, I think I've done my knee.

So, yeah, you know, I tried to compete anyway. So we came down. I missed all of training the next day, got scans, came back up, just started doing a bit of rehab and stuff. And I was jumping off like.

A table pro, this high, like about a meter off the floor, just to see how it felt under impact. Felt fine. And then that night before time trials, we went up at 9pm.

And we got to the very top, and I strapped in. And then I couldn't snowboard. I just could not turn. I could not slide. I had to, like, inch my way down this long run to get to the bottom. And I There's nothing I could do. Like, I couldn't activate any of the muscles in my leg. That was it.

It just, like. It wasn't working.

Yeah, it wasn't working. So. Yeah. And then that night, I just got confirmation that, you know, my ACL had been torn and had to come home and buckle up. I also had to make a decision to either compete at the Games, which was 11 months out, or come home and do a long rehab. Missing the Games, which is. I didn't really want to do that. So I kind of came back home, did my surgery, and went straight into a very intense rehab, which was about five rehab sessions a day, and that was every single day. So there wasn't much room for, like, socializing or, you know, having fun all those down times or anything. It was just very intense. Four months, and then I got back on snow in that time as well, about five months in, and then ticked a couple of boxes off, went overseas.

To compete because I had to prove that I could compete as well and that I was able to get down a course and. Yeah, competed at the World cup in Germany and I got.

Eighth place, which was. Which was all right for return. And then the following month in December, I went to Val Thorens in France, and that's. That's where I did my ACL for the second time.

So far in between was like, so. So first ACL you had, how many months was it rehab?

So.

Six months.

Four months.

Four months.

And then I got back on snow for a little bit, and then it was about nine months from operation to the World Cups, where I did my ACL for the second time, which was two months out from the Olympic Games as well.

Two months out from the Olympic Games?

Yeah. And the way I did my ACL was this is. It's frustrating because we're at this World Cup. Training day was amazing. Beautiful blue sky. The best kind of. We caught hero snow. It's amazing. Like, it's best. You know, it's. You can't get much better than that. Next day for time trials, it just shat itself, like puking snow. People went down the course to dye the snow, which is giving you, like a blue dye on the snow that's sprayed on, which gives you contrast. So you know where you're going, you know what features you're approaching. But the snow was so heavy that we couldn't see the dye because it kept on getting covered up. And when that happens and there's no trees around in that area, you get. You can't see where you're going.

You can't see in front of you because there's nothing to contrast the snow off. You don't know what features you're hitting other than what you've memorized, and you're guessing where it is and.

What I should have pushed for. I should have pulled the pin and not do the time trials. And the rest of the girls said, yeah, we should have really canned this because that was way too dangerous anyway. We go through the motions. I go down the hill. And last time I said that, I did my ACL because I didn't double the two rollers. Now this, when I was going down the hill, I had to pop the rollers, which I did this time. But unfortunately, I didn't know that I was already in the air. So I straightened my legs while I was in the air, and when you do that, you can't bring your legs up into a bent position. So I landed with my legs straight and hyperextended my front knee, which ripped up a whole bunch of cartilage and my ACL again. So that was really frustrating and upsetting, and I just felt all kinds of negative emotions because I just did so much rehab and work to get back to where I was.

And that happened.

How did that make you feel? Like you're four months of intense training. Nine months just after your operation. And then to do that again. Like, what was the. That night, the next day? Like, who was around you? What were you feeling?

Yes, like, we. I remember lying there knowing that I did my sel again, and I was just, like, so angry and upset, and, like, I can't even describe the motion because it's just so much disappointment. Like, you just watch all that intense work go down the drain.

So I have a team there, my physios and everything, and I got towed off and what we call a. A bloodbath, it's just. It's just like a sled, but we call it bloodbath because it's very intense.

You don't want to be on there.

No, you don't want to be. I hate going in those things. It's so embarrassing because it's like, whatever. But, yeah, so, you know, that was two months before Olympic Games, and I was like, you know, I really want to go to the Olympic Games. Like, I want to have it go. Like, can it. Is this doable? Can you do it without an acl? Because if I come back for surgery, then that's it. I can't go to the Olympic Games because you have to rehab. So I was like, okay, well, can we do it? And we did. So went back home. I did have a surgery to clear out the cartilage in there because it felt like a guitar string being parked in my knee every time I bent it. And then did intense rehab with my knee brace on this time though. And then basically.

Yeah, had to compete without an acl. And we basically pretty much duct taped the knee up, chucked a big knee brace on, and off we went.

She'll be right. Bit of duct tape.

Bit of duct tape, literally. But yeah, like. And that, you know, that was. That was still hard. Like, I. I quickly realized that, you know, you know, I can't go for gold now. Cause I can't even bend my leg. Cause of all, like this tape and, you know, knee brace on there restricting movement. So. And this course was quite big. And it's probably the bigger ones I've ever been on. And we usually have two training days at Olympic Games consisting of two hours each. And I could not for the life of me get past one quarter of the track. I just kept crashing and crashing. And the thing about where we were is that it's a very windy area. So right next to the course. And you didn't see it. You wouldn't have seen it on TV if you watched the Olympics back then. But they had 10 wind turbines next to the course.

Which tells you being a multimillion dollar, like, you know, thing, it's a windy spot. So we had a lot of tailwinds and headwinds during the Olympics. And I remember in training, the wind really picking up for one of my training laps. And you usually just have to open up your body and not tuck, which kind of gives it just. It just provides wind resistance really to slow you down. But I went off this jump and I watched the landing go past me. And the landing is like a little, nice little steep hill where you can land, and it kind of cradles you down to the ground, which is really nice. But I missed it. And I wanted to protect my front leg. So I went back on my back leg and my binding, both bindings exploded off my board on impact.

So then after that, kind of hiked back up, got a new board, started trying again. And I just kept crashing and crashing.

And then, you know, next day, same thing came back, kept crashing each run. Cause I couldn't bend my knee enough to make moves for the features. And it was really disheartening for me because I was watching the girls getting faster and faster and faster. And.

At the end, I Had a really big crash, and I just said, okay, well, I'll just have to try and make it work on race day. So come race day in the morning, I just got my first lap down the full track for the first time, and then we just kind of went from there. And, yeah, I got faster and faster throughout the heats, and I was pretty close to making it to the top six big finals round, which is the podium round, but I crashed in the semi finals.

Which was unfortunate, but, yeah, it was. That's what it is. So what a. Yeah.

What an experience. And the things people don't tell you is that rehab sucks. It's slow, it hurts, it, it's difficult, and it's a nonlinear process. You feel like you're making progress, and then you go backwards. You have to do other things, and all you want to do is get back to the thing that you want to do and you can't. It's like months and months go by and you have to do this shitty rehab instead of, you know, enjoy your life and doing what you want to do.

Yeah.

And really, like, if you look back on that experience that you had, the difficult months, the kind of decisions that you made, what do you think that did for you as an athlete, having gone through that experience? And when you look back, like, has it.

You know, has it made you kind of mentally stronger or has it made you fearful in any areas? What did that experience do for you?

Yeah, like, I definitely had fear coming back, especially when I was coming back first time, I was not after surgery, and it wasn't until I had. I remember having a really big crash actually in Mount Hotham. I went over the jump and it was slick ice, this jump with tailwind. So I overshot the crap out of it and I slid on my ass into a fence and took out this entire fence. And my knee was fine. So after that it was like, okay, I can do this. So I just kept building and building upon that I didn't have to take it day by day. And that built a lot of confidence back in my riding. And the beauty about the rehab was being able to, like, break down everything and build it back up again. And I'm still doing that now, like, after Beijing. Like, I've broken down everything and kind of use what I've learned with my rehab and stuff and just built things up again. So that. That's been something that's been really beneficial for me. Out of that.

Yeah, you've shown so much. Like, I can't believe, like, you didn't Quit, you know, halfway through, especially when you just kept crashing, crashing, crashing. I think for like, so many people, you know, could in not maybe as a professional athlete, but listens at home, can. Can feel in their own lives in different ways where they've, like, just gone in, like, hit the wall and hit the wall and hit the wall. I want to know from you, Bill, like, where did you draw that? You know, like, in those dark times when you're in rehab, or you just keep crashing and you're, you know, a couple of months out for the Olympic Games. Like, where. Where do you drive the motivation from? Like, what's that inner energy or that battery that just keeps going? Like, what do you tap into?

Literally, just simply knowing that I can.

And I know, like, you know, you have all these greats in different sports and everything, and they've had great achievements and inspired a lot of people and everything, but there's no reason why you can't think that you can't do that too. But it's always going to be in your own way and own walk of life, which is a pretty amazing experience to have. It's just kind of tapping into those different areas where you can, like, tailor things to suit you to get to that place.

You know, I've had success when I was younger, had a great period where I wasn't getting anything. And.

Even now I was hoping to have a good season this year and experiment with different things, which I did achieve all of those things this year, but not in terms of a World cup results sort of thing.

But it's just kind of knowing that and backing yourself 100% that you can do it eventually.

And is it you trying to beat yourself? Is there anyone, you know, for a lot of people, I think it might be about, you know, proving someone wrong or a group of people wrong. Do you have any of that emotion, or is it you just trying to be the best that you can be? Are you trying to, you know, show an example for other people? Is there anything like that that motivates you as well?

Yeah, like, you know, I do it all for me.

Because I know I can achieve the things that I've set up myself out to do. I do love helping people. I do love helping people reach their other goals, so showing them that it's possible or ideas that I've had because, like, you know, being the first girl to get a World cup medal and do all these things, like, it's been a lot of zigzagging back and forth, trying trialing error, like, saw different Things. Different coaches, different boards, different wax techs, different, you know, methods of training and whatever. But now it's like, you know, now we have this path that's just so direct. So, you know, when we look at the sport in Border Cross in Australia, like, things are a lot more direct and I could expect a lot of results from a younger age, from other athletes now.

So that's exciting for me. Yeah, that's very exciting for me.

So, yeah, I think that's what I'd say be it. Yeah. Awesome.

That's interesting where if the path is easy, you're on someone else's path, whereas when you were doing it, there was no path. So you had to kind of work it all out.

Well, we had the guys for sure, but it's different. Like, same different. You know, there's not many girls doing the sport because it is a bit hectic. There's a lot of men doing the sport because it's like. I'd say it's more of a dude sport, but there's a bunch of badass girls that I get on tour with that just throw down and I'm like, holy shit. And that's like, oh, my God. Okay, I better step it up. I better keep going. So it's awesome. It's awesome to see. And the guys are super encouraging and they're always. A lot of them want to get in a heat with us as well, which is great because it pushes us and, you know, they definitely don't want to be chicked by us either. So. And for those who don't know what chicked means, it means getting beaten by a girl. So. Yeah.

What's it like? You know, So I was recently in Thailand and I stayed in like a. There was a co working co living space. And every day you go downstairs and there's 40, 50, like, you know, nomads, you know, freelancers, business owners, just working. And from like 8am to 11pm it was just packed and everyone's just like hustling and grinding.

Yeah.

And being next to those people, you're like, I can't leave to have lunch. I can't go and have a break. Like, if this guy, this guy hasn't left, he's been in before me. Like, I can't go anywhere.

Yeah.

And you, when you surround yourself with those people, like.

Yeah.

I find. And even. Not even that instance, but even like your friendship circle and people you hang around with, I. I always believe, like, who you hang around with is who you become.

Yeah.

When you're in those States of like training with other professional athletes. And whether it's guys or just like other competitors on, on tour and they're, yeah, you know, they're up here. How much does that like bring you up and just, you know, keep you motivated?

Oh, massively. Like literally, like for me, like being the only girl, the beauty about that was like, obviously I wanted another female teammate and now I do have a few more.

I just had to jump into heights with anyone and it was always boys just chasing boys all the time and you just, and they're at 10% faster than us. So you're just tapping into that next level type of speed which you have to adapt with your body and you know, skill.

So that's knowing that. I've also.

Applied that to my gym training as well. So I just hired a new guy last year and he's just been unreal and he, he runs a strongman gym. I thought 100 kilo squat was pretty impressive. It's not. It's not. There's a chicken there that uses it.

For a warm up or strong warm Someone. When someone warms up with your max.

Yeah. And that, that.

How do you feel? You just feel like nothing.

Yeah, yeah, it does. And it pushes you and it's like suddenly and, and John, my trainer is like, yeah, like, you know, that's. You should be squatting more, lifting more, like not just grinding it out, but with speed and explosivity and everything. And then, you know, and, and by being in the gym and he has me come in when those strong women are training, I get to see the next level of strength. That's a possibility. You know, obviously I won't be squatting. She like, she squats like two over.

220, you know, like over 3x body weight. Yeah.

And like I'm like, okay, if I get maybe a fraction closer to that, I'd be stoked. But yeah, it's, it really amps you up because I think if you're in people and I know like there's different athletes that come through and like the different sports and everything, there's different strengths and weaknesses and everything. But like, if you're around that next type of level strength and skill and ability, then it's like, holy crap. It opens your mind up to like what you can do rather than saying like, oh, 100 kilos or 80 kilos is a good squat. Strong squat for a chick good enough. It's like, no, you can go far further than that.

Yeah, that's unreal.

Yeah, absolutely. And that's the thing, if you're the best in the room, you're in the wrong room.

Yeah.

You need to go somewhere else.

Yeah, yeah.

And you, you mentioned, like, building yourself back up and you talked a bit there about coaches and I wanted to know, like, how do you decide what you're going to work on, on in your game and on your journey and who's helping you with this? Like, what is your team structure look like in the background?

So, like art, when people watch border cross, it's just like, you know, get a snowboard, hop on the gates and off you go. But we've got. It's almost like, I'd say it's like Formula one. We have, you know, like when they switch out different tires for different conditions, we have different boards with different waxes that you put on the board for different snow conditions and temperatures and whatnot. Like, when you see the behind the scenes of a border Cross World cup, we've got four to six snowboards for each athlete and we've got wax techs who literally are like, I know, like magicians and crazy scientists brewing up these wax things that you put on a board and then they just brush it in, like buff it in. And that helps the board move and glide on the snow faster. You can also it up real bad and feel like sandpaper and it's sticky, so you don't want that. So you want good wax texture. And they're there with their thermometers, humidity readers and a few other things there just to kind of get all this data in the moment to give you the best possibility to succeed in the track. And then you've got your coaches, once pro on the top half of the course and one's more at the bottom. And sometimes we have a physio at the very bottom just giving us feedback, especially if it's a long track, on how the track's running. So then we'll have, you know, when we get to the top again, we have our coaches radioing up to us, giving us feedback or trying different lines or, you know, moves or whatever it may be just to adapt to the course to find the fastest possible way down. So, yeah, and then behind that, you know, there's, you know, when we go back down the hill into the hotels, we have to take all our bindings off our boards, give our boards to the wax techs. They do all the prep for the next day and we do video review as well, looking at footage from the day and trying to pick out the fastest lines and whatnot. And you know, we take photos, sorry, videos of our main competitors as well, or whoever's looking quite fast in the track to see what they're doing differently. And we just kind of compare things and then take note and come back the next day and see if we can put it all together.

That's great. And in terms of, like, physical training, do you have like, one strength coach or you've got a range of different people that you go to?

Yeah. So, like, when you get on the team, you get provided the team isn't like, you know, the state level and then there's a national level yet provided a program and a sports scientist that oversees most of it. They've got one head SC coach and I think two now, extra helping hands in each state. And you get given a program and you just follow that. You have a couple checkpoints to test and see how you're tracking. But for me, like, I wanted to mix it up, you know, I'm 30 now, so I'm trying to find new inspiration and ideas. So I've hired a guy externally, and that's probably one of the best things I've done just to open. He's completely opened up my mind to S and C, you know, and I've done. You guess how many squats I've done in my life?

Quite a few more than I've done.

Yeah. I got to a point where I was sick of them. And he's actually got me excited to get underneath the squad squat bar again and rip out some squats. Like, it's. It's pretty amazing.

What?

Oh, that's fascinating.

What I want to know about the business model behind a professional athlete or a snowboarder, like, from what I know in different sports, whether it be like tennis or golf, in. In sports where it's just you as an individual, you know, the. The prize money tends to be only really like the top 1 to 5%. Everyone else is sort of slowing you away. Is that the same in snowboarding? You know, is there sponsorship that comes into play?

Yep.

How does that all work?

Yeah, so we have. Each World cup has a set amount of prize money. It's been equal pay for both men and women for way over a decade, that's for sure. It's been amazing. Awesome. So they take took care of that ages ago. And outside of that, you know, you've got your medal initiatives by the country at benchmark events, which are Olympic Games, world champs, and also funding different tiers of that within the country depending on what sport you're in. There's also funding there for you.

So you basically get paid based on the ranking you end up with.

Yeah. So it's not so much paid. There's a small fee now only recently for the very top tier.

Apart from that it's just cost covered. Gotcha. So a lot of winter athletes have jobs.

Or have sponsorship. It just depends. I have a couple of sponsors that have nothing to do with winter sports because for me that was a market I could tap into that would be quite effective.

Other snowboarding, snowboard brands are more focused on like freestyle events right now. So I've just kind of. I didn't want to be another number and I want to give more to the brands that do work with me. So like for example, I've got a, a gumboot sponsorship.

Okay.

Which is really cool. Mar people plug them now, but they're really cool. They're actually pretty good for snow. Never thought that. But yeah, and I've been doing some really cool stuff with them and they're very tight knit community as well. So you know brands like that and obviously like local Australian. They're a local Australian brand that's down the road and a few other Australian brands I like support as well.

So you like do content and stuff for them and help them grow their brand as a. Yeah, so like just.

Content and how it integrates into my life and I don't necessarily like working with someone who's. Who I don't. Doesn't make sense for me.

Yeah, for sure.

Just something that I think it could work well. So for me like I wanted to try like for example, the gumboots and see if it actually genuinely fit into my life of snow sports, which it did. And then I was like, okay, cool, let's do this. Otherwise I would have been like, probably not because I see a lot of influences and you know, I'm a sports person but you see a lot of people online who sign with brands every second weekend different, like conflicting with each other. And.

So yeah, I try and keep it as authentic as possible, as cheesy as that sounds.

And I hate saying no, no make sense, don't make total sense.

You need to like, you need to have that brand alignment. Otherwise for people like me it's very confusing. Like why are you with this brand and the exact opposite that does a different thing. Whereas if it's what you're about and they have the similar values, that makes perfect sense.

Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

It seems really genuine.

Yeah.

And geez, I feel my train of thought now. Oh, are you able to share what the World Championship, like, prize money is like what. What would, like, a gold medal be at a World Champ?

World Champs is just as the actual medal result that you get from the event is a 10 to 12,000 Euros just for first. Second is around 5, 6,000 Euros.

Yeah.

And then 2 and a half Euros for third. And then it kind of breaks down. Top 10 get prize money, but then it just gets filtered out at the bottom. And then you've got like the AOC metal initiative, which is about 20k for first. I know what it is for second or third. And then you've got direct athlete support, which is another 35 grand on top of that. And then you've got. Obviously, if, since you've got a gold medal, then you can maintain the highest funding from your organization. I don't know what it's like for other sports, but for winter sports, that's another 10 grand. Nice. And then.

Whatever metal initiatives that you have with your personal sponsors on top of that. So you could do quite well if you have it lined up. But it's like, what I find is, like, some sponsors sign you one because you got the result.

Yeah. Now you're good.

Yeah, yeah. Others ones, you know, like, one of my sponsors, he's a real estate guy, Mark Adams, he's up at Mount Bulla. He's been with me since I was 13 years old.

Wow.

Long time. Because I said to him, I'm like, I'm going to go Olympic Games and I'm going to be the best in.

The world as a kid.

And he believed me. So we've. We've been working together ever since. And I actually had to force him to get stickers to put on my board because he just wanted to support me. He didn't want, like, anything else, which is amazing. But that's really nice. Yeah, that's great.

And you sound like you're at the top of your game. All the stuff that you're doing at the moment, and you're 30 years old now.

How.

How long do snowboarders go for? Like, you know, are you planning to do this? Like, a lot longer? Are you looking to transition into something else in the future, or is this. Is this just front and center for you?

I think if you're a snowboarder, you're a snowboarder for life. Like, you can go into, like, you know, comps for a certain amount of time if you want, wherever the passion is and then just keep riding after that. You don't have to compete. But we've Got guys on tour who are in their 40s. Wow. You know, so there's a lot of longevity in the sport, that's for sure. Just depends on the passion and the passion needs to be there. So I don't know, I definitely want to go to Milan 20, 26.

But at the same time you just don't know what's going to happen, you know. So yeah, it's just kind of, you know, like you said, I'm 30. Like I'm just trying to find other ways to build my life outside of the sport as well. And just I found that that's actually grown my mentality as an athlete as well. So yeah, it's kind of balances each other's out, like complements each other.

Yeah.

And so for listeners at home, the reason Bill was even on the pod, I discovered her on Twitter. Crypto Twitter.

Yeah. Followed you.

Yeah. And then I was like, I saw the. Back in the day when they weren't just giving out blue checks. Everyone bell had the blue check. I was like, oh, who's Bell? Like, oh, snowboarder crypto. Holy shit. I was like, this is a perfect opportunity where, you know, outside of snowboarding, you know, you're building, you know, your personal brand, getting some crypto stuff. Like I want to talk about the personal branding stuff first. Do you think about that as a, as an athlete and building that sort of influence? You know, we had to use the word influencer but like building an influence and I guess that authority as, as a, as a world champion in the space. Like do you think about that and trying to build your brand and that helps with sponsorship deals and et cetera, et cetera?

Yeah, like it's different for every athlete. I guess some athletes just want to do their thing and that's it. Like Dale Big Smith, he's won a gold medal, Olympic Games. He just had not. Didn't want to do any sort of media stuff. He was very down low, quiet guy. It just depends. Like I'm quite introverted around new people.

But I'm quite extroverted around my people, like close knit people. But yeah, it just depends on your personality, what you want to achieve. But I just see opportunities in different things and I like networking with different people.

And yeah, I like to see where things go and I like learning different things. And it doesn't have to be in snowboarding all the time. I think it's important to kind of bring your focus out of the sport, just have a break as one and also grow in different ways. And it all Complements each other, like I said. And I like tapping into different things, so encrypto is one of them. Awesome.

Yeah, that was. That's such a key point. Just for everyone listening, where you do things outside of your line of work or your primary focus, it feels like, you know, you're not paying attention to that thing, and that's where you should spend all your effort. But if you go out and you, I don't know, read or do strength training or gold holidays or whatever it may be, spend some time doing other things and then bring that back, you'll come back with a renewed focus, a different lens, and you'll perform something so much better. It's the weirdest thing and it's counterintuitive, but it's so important.

Yeah. Oh, it's such a thing. Like, I. I'd be doing it because I'm studying at uni right now, doing assignment, and I'll be like, I can't figure this out. This. Like, they haven't taught us this content and like, just lose my. And then I take a break. Like, I leave it for a week, come back and I'm like, ah, yeah.

What are you studying?

Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah.

What are you studying?

I'm studying a double degree right now. I don't know why, but I'm doing commerce and law. I'm very interested in law, but I want to become a lawyer. I just like learning about it. And I figured out why the it's such a high fail rate, because there's so many cases just for the one unit, and people do three to four. Like, it's. You get 40 cases sometimes. And I'm like, how do you read through all of this stuff?

So for me, like, you know, would love to do it, but at the same time, I've learned a lot of things that I want to learn from doing the degree, which is interpreting and researching law.

So I'll. I'll probably drop the degree.

And focus on.

Just commerce. And I'm not too far up. I could finish it this year, but I'm not that motivated to because I've got my snowboarding and training and everything to do. So I want to keep everything balanced. So probably be at the end of next year, which is fine, but who knows? Maybe I'll do the law degree. I don't know. Depends.

I'm exactly the same with law. So when I was doing my MBA, one of the 12 units was law, and it was legal principles. And I absolutely loved it. Yeah, like, just the Way that it's structured, how you learn and how you break things down and how you argue.

Yeah.

And I loved it because in my heart of hearts. So I'll just go for it, go for people's necks. Right. And it's like, no, you did this. This is the law, this is how we're interpreting it.

You're in trouble.

Oh, I loved it. It was so, so good. But do I want to be a lawyer, live that life? Absolutely not.

Not at all. Have you ever dabbled in criminal law?

No, we ended up doing civil and it was more like the management and business side.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Criminals. It's like it's reading a crime book, I reckon.

Yeah, yeah. But then like also the downside of being a lawyer, you get vicarious trauma. So you have to read through all these cases, incredible detail. And because you need to know all those details and recount it, it's like it's your own memory.

Yeah.

And then like you have to deal with that over and over. It's the same thing with like doctors and ambos and plus all the hours you work. There's so much downside to being a lawyer. Like quite a few of our good mates are lawyers. It's like woof. They deal with it through drinking.

Couldn't get any worse to be a lawyer.

Yeah.

You'd have to actually read Ben just.

To do the course. Oh, I can't read. It's a lot of reading. A lot of reading.

Yeah.

And what about your crypto bill? Like tell us how you got into crypto, reasons why you might in, you know, you're investing. Is it for more like long term wealth creation? Is it just an interesting thing you like, you know, like reading about, learning about? Yeah, I'd love to hear that side.

Yeah. So I kind of heard about crypto in 2017, 2018 and just in passing conversation with different people, like that was just a very standard thing for me to do is talk to people about different ideas and topics and stuff. So don't really think much of it. And then in 2020, 19, end of 2019, 2020, my one of my coaches start talking about it and I knew he was into crypto quite a bit and I just got interested because, you know, Covid had come out and we were overseas. We had to get full on government permission to leave the country to train for Beijing and we were very much isolated in different valleys and whatnot and we couldn't really do anything and no one was there. It was very eerie.

So I thought, oh well, probably should get a hobby.

Looks at it, picking his brain about it. And he got me into.

He got me onto FTX and I started, you know, I thought, okay, I could probably invest this much into Bitcoin and Ethereum. And then started learning more and more about it and then sort of opened up my world to all these different tokens and coins and all this shit just kept coming at me with, like, all these, like, news and information and everything. And my coach, Jan, he was like, oh, check out this coin and this coin and this coin. And I'm like, oh, my God, it's.

Called the Rabbit Hole.

We've all been there.

What's going on? So, yeah, it's like I've been. I've been burnt and I've also. I've done okay as well at the same time. But I've. What crypto has really taught me is that it teaches you so fast on strategy, how to react to markets, which is to not react at all, just to, like, take the emotion out of it, like, you know, like a sport, and just. Just really plan out how you do things. So it's taught me very quickly. And, yeah, I've just been able to write it on the way up and I've also written a bit of it on the way down as well. And now I've just kind of given it a break and now I've gotten back into it and since, like, signing on to the Collective Shift stuff and looking at all the videos, like, I love Checkmate. He's a fucking legend.

He's good, isn't it?

So, so good.

I actually saw such a lad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw his stuff and then I went on to Glassnodes and did the Academy as well. So I have a huge interest in that, like that data on chain analysis and everything. And I love looking at all those little. I just. I just. No doubt. And I'm like, okay, this is going to form part of me buying in. And I'm not like a day trader or anything. And I did get back into Day Trading 2018, 2019, when I was rehabbing and everything. And my mum's quite into it. She's been doing it for over 30 years now, and I've just been learning from her. But, you know, she. She buys in and then sells maybe a couple days later or something.

And she gets very excited when there's like, you know, a couple percentages there. And I'm like, mom, check out crypto, like currency.

Don't you mean crypto just ruins you where if it's like, if it's not a 10x, I'm not interested.

Yeah, 2% just like. Yeah, such. You're like 5. I'm like, I want to see like 10 20x gains here in a day or an hour.

Or hour.

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

Where's that candle?

Yeah, exactly. Right. Actually yesterday, mom actually just bought her first ledger, her cold state storage wallet. And she checked her portfolio, she checked it all. She goes, I'm down 55%. I'm like, oh, that's standard. Like, don't worry about it.

No, they don't do that.

No, they don't just write it out.

Incredible.

Buy time to accumulate.

That's. Yeah, yeah. I might look at the data. Look, Checkmate says time to buy. Yeah.

He's such a weapon. I love him because he is so opinionated. Doesn't take any, but he backs it all up with hard data. He's so good.

Yeah. And that's it. That's how the data. You can't get much more accurate than that.

Yeah, 100%. So what are you currently holding? And don't need to give like cash numbers, but like percentages. Is it mainly BTC and eth? You mentioned before the podcast a couple of smaller coins you're looking into.

Yeah, yeah. So btc, eth just. That's just. I'm just chucking profits into that.

Yeah.

And that's just going to be my long term sort of hold. And then like Solana as well. I did unfortunately get into Luna and didn't sell before it tanked. But that's okay. Sometimes you get greedy, but arweave as well. Storage, permanent storage and render is what I. What I mentioned before. I'm quite curious to see how arweave and render go just because of what's going on with web 3. All the crypto gaming, metaverse and all those things that are kind of integrating with each other. So. Yeah, we'll see. And for those people who don't know what it is, it's just basically like structural computing. Structural.

Crypto that layers like, it's just the foundation of computers. And there's a few other tokens, obviously, like I've got the meme coin, Shibu and Doge. Why not? Why not? And then, yeah, just like reading up on other things, see what's out there. But mainly bitcoin and. Nice. Awesome. Yeah.

It's such a good space. How you're right. It teaches you so fast. The lessons are brutal. They come in like really hard, but you learn, you bounce back and then the gains are fast as well. And once you kind of level out, you can really start to build your portfolio. And I'm just wondering, was like crypto your first investing experience or did you have invested other areas before this?

Yeah, so I, I invested in my first.

Apartment in my, in my 20s and been chipping away at that. And then whatever sort of spare cash I had was to go into better trading opportunities by snowboarding and also investments into shares and stock stock market really. So I, you know, I've kind of talked to my mom and said this is what she's focusing on. That gave me a kind of good start on blue chip shares and whatnot and other smaller cap shares and I just kind of bought and sell whatever. But when I look back at that, like, I didn't really utilize.

The graphs that you could access. Say on like Binance, for example, you can see like your red green candles, volume, the MACD and everything. I just kind of thought, oh, that looks like a good price. I'll just buy in. And I reckon I got pretty lucky for probably two years just trading that way. And other times there was two times where I bought in the pump and it's tanked and I've had to, just had to buy my losses and sell them. But what crypto taught me was to actually look at where price action is. And that's helped me a lot with the share market completely, like a lot. And I've done courses on top of that just to kind of grow my knowledge on top of that. And I'd love to dabble into like day trading after snowboarding, but it just requires, you know, I just want to get my technique right and then just experiment and then get into it. So right now it's just like literally buying, maybe selling, and then just buying into Bitcoin and Ethereum.

So that's a very important point there. Where using technical analysis, so using charts and things like you said, like, you know, macd, rsi, even Fibonacci sequences, very basic things that you can learn in one day. You don't have to be a trader, but when you're looking at a chart, that's literally price action. In human psychology, you can see where things are at and just look for your entry to buy and get a better entry than you otherwise would. It is so important to learn.

Yeah, exactly. And like there's so many like technical tools that you can use. But I look at like a lot of the top traders, they have like three or four. That's it. So simple. So simple. And they just build their like, awareness of the different patterns and everything through that and then just make decisions from there.

So many people over complicated. We've spoken about this before, so we've recently started doing these one on one calls with people and we help them with their portfolio. And I speak to so many people that have these so complex strategies. They basically got 500 bucks and they're in defi and they're staking this and don't hold any bitcoin and in 43 altcoins and they're wondering why their portfolio's down 80%. For me, I've been dollar cost averaging for six years. Every week I bought bitcoin for two years, I took my whole salary in bitcoin and just after six years, like it's worth a substantial amount and it's a simple continue to buy. You don't worry about the highs and the lows. Crypto runs in cycles. You have to show this episode to your mum. So she keeps buying. But you know, it's just the way of life in crypto. Like you get the peaks and troughs, but, you know, Bitcoin's compounding 100 growth year on year. Like if you look, zoom out, it's beating every single hedge fund on the planet, you know, like it is the best performing asset and I couldn't think of anything else I want to have money in. Like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Bitcoin just dropped the mic. People get seduced by complexity. Like I need this new trading tool that some guy just made yesterday that shows me absolutely everything. But once you go through and learn those lessons, you can peel it back and you just have those four or five things that you need to know in order to make a better decision.

Yeah, absolutely. It's just trial and error. Like same with sport. Like you just try different things and everything. But in the day, like, you know, with physical training, it's just moving around different weights at different speeds. And yeah, it's pretty similar to trading. Like, it's just same foundation, same different, yeah, tools.

So yeah, and it can seem very complex and intimidating, but if you spend the time in there, you can peel back the layers and it becomes very straightforward. Like you, you find your flow, you learn what you like or what you don't like. Yeah, like for me, like, I hate day trading. I hate sitting in front of a computer watching charts, like wasting my whole life and then turning my emotions off. I'm like, I'm not that person. I'm like more of a buy and hold. Or potentially a swing trade if I see something. But you learn all those things and then you. You just apply that and. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in any other space. It's so much fun.

Anything else in collective shifts? I'm fascinated. No, you love Checkmate. Is there any other content that you like or you've seen that's like, helped or helped you with your. Whether investing strategies or education or anything like that?

Yeah, yeah. So a couple years ago, I did the beginners course and that was really beneficial for me, just kind of figuring out because at that point I did lose some money and I was like, okay, I should probably get my shit together. So that was one of them that my coach was actually. He's a member as well. Oh, is he? Yeah, he is. He's a member.

He's with the whole Bell Brockov team.

We have another athlete who's on there too, and I think he's one of the OG members. Actually. They're both OG members.

Oh, you had another athlete on.

No, no, I didn't. But he. So they're both OG members?

Back in the day.

Yeah. Back to, like, Nuggets.

Yeah, back in the day.

Yeah. So they're both on there and yeah, they said, you know. Well, yeah, my coach was like, you should, you know, have a look. So he sent me a one video and I was like, oh, crap. Okay, this is pretty good. And I did the beginners course, and then I did a couple of other courses from there. And then. Yeah. And then also, like, you know, when I just. There's so much information out there and there's so much that you can get bombarded with different influences, different people in different spaces. Like, this is this, this. But on the page of Collective Shift, there's just. You have all. You have glossary, and it's just so simple. It's like a crypto for dummies, you know, it just has the basics and that's all you really need. So. Yeah, it doesn't over. Over complicate anything. Yeah, it's just simple. That's awesome. Less is more, I guess.

Yeah, it's exactly what we're going to try. Like, what we've been trying to build, like. Yeah, there's so much stuff out there. You've got YouTubers and influencers that 90, I think, promote all sorts of nonsense, get paid to do stuff on the table.

It's.

It's a wild west. There is some good stuff, but mainly bad. Then you've got like, Delphi Digital, you know, Mazari cracking content. But, you know, reading 30 pages of content, you know, it's just. No one's got time for that. Right. And yeah, especially when you're busy, you're an athlete, you're running a business, you know, you've got work. Like, trying to stay across crypto is like impossible. So we're just trying to like, cut out all the BS and give you exactly what you need to know. So it's good, it's good feedback and shout out checkmate.

And the whole content team, they're absolute ledges. The way that like their job is literally to go in, like, read all the white papers, do all the analysis, get across everything, jump into discords, play with all the technology, and then synthesize that into like a five minute thing that you need to know, like, shout out to those guys.

Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

That's all I really had any questions, but do you have anything else you wanted to ask?

No, I actually asked all my questions and I just honestly wanted to thank you, Bill. It's like awesome to meet you and hear your story and that you're into crypto, which is just absolutely amazing.

Yeah, definitely. It's been great. Like, I just, you know, I just got into it because it's a, you know, I'm thinking about life after sport. So. Yeah, I just want to be stuck behind a desk nine to five every day.

Yeah. So for sure.

I just want to be able to travel and do my thing and just keep building wealth. Yeah. And it's great.

Like, you're doing everything. Like you're still snowboarding training, you studying at uni and you're investing as well. Just really set setting your life up for success. I just love to see it.

Yeah. Cheers.

Yeah. Thank you so much for coming in. That's been awesome. I love the whole story. And let's go. Where's the 2016? 2016, 2026 Olympics?

Milan.

Milan, Italy. Let's go. Italy.

Yeah.

So work trip then?

Yeah, let's go. Yeah, let's book it in.

Yeah, it's gonna be great. The last few games have been Russia, Korea and China, so I'm excited to be. Milan sounds good. Yeah, Milan sounds amazing. So, yeah, should be good.

Amazing. All the best. Thank you everyone for listening as epic conversation. If you enjoyed the episode, we'd love for you to share with maybe a friend, maybe a mum that's down 55% in crypto. You know, maybe give them some tips and. Yeah, thank you so much, Bill, for coming on. We love for. Yeah, I forget some more guests on like this.

This was.

I love doing this sort of stuff. It's amazing. Getting awesome people on.

Absolutely.

Thanks very much.

Where can people reach you? You've got your website and your Twitter. You want to give those a plug.

Yeah, just Bell Brock off for Twitter and Instagram. I'm mostly active on Instagram, Twitter. I just like stalking. Just a stalker.

It's like I get all my views off there because it's fast shit, you know. I read all your stuff as well. Like it just. It's just so handy. It's like there when you have nothing else to do, like.

Yeah, yeah, amazing. Well, we're all chewing around. Bell, thank you so much for coming on and see you next time, folks. Thanks for tuning in, man. And go fix that nose tomorrow, man.

Oh, mate, get the splits out.

Come.

Thanks. Thanks so much, Bill. I've really, really enjoyed this. Thank you.

Thanks, guys.

Thanks, guys.