61. How Ben's Transformed From Overweight and Tired to Fit, Healthy With Abs in 2 Months With His PT Jordan Pollard

If you're not eating well and still working out, you can see some results but they're going to be very small. They say it's like an 8020 rule but I think diet is just one of the biggest elements of your health and your fitness and it's the hardest one to change. So it's the one that people probably look to do last.

Welcome back to another episode of the Benneberg Show. Today we have another special guest, the third in the row. This studio we've had Chris Jaard, Bell Brockoff and now Jordan Pollard, my new personal trainer who's been an absolute game changer to getting me from dad tech bod to, to where I am now. I'm only two months in, still got a bit of a tech bod. But Jordan is a personal trainer, he's an online coach, has a gym down here in St Kilda where he works with sort of in person online clients. Has done a bachelor in sports Science and business Management and also worked at the Melbourne Storm as a strength and conditioning coach. So Jordy, thanks for coming on mate.

Thanks for having me guys.

Yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, no, so as a lot of our listeners know, Bergs and I are very big on crypto business and personal growth and like, you know, I went through a bit of a journey in the last couple of months where I realized that I was getting crook all the time. I was working a shitload, I wasn't working out. You know, Bergs is going through a similar experience where he's like grinding to, you know, improve his physical health. And it got to a point where I was getting sick every two or three weeks, just pushing the boundaries and I wasn't eating well, I wasn't training. And one of the other crypto guys in the ecosystem, Rowdy, saw him put a little photo online of a before and after. And I was saying before the show listeners that I looked worse than his before photo and he had the after photo. So I DM around and said who's the guy that helped you with this? And Jordy got introduced. So yeah, we want to talk about today like a range of different stuff but really around like just some, I mean you've shared so many unique insights to me that I didn't realize about like, you know, eating well and physical health and getting in the gym and how it can help you be, you know, more alert, more on top of your game, you know, feeling better, feeling happier. So we're going to share a bunch of, you know, that stuff today and then as always we'll Tie it in the crypto, man. But love to hear about your story, mate. How did you get into personal training? And you've been a bit like sports fan your whole life. Is that how you got into.

Yeah, 100%. I, I sort of fell into PT off the back of just a love of sport and I've always enjoyed working with people, so those two things, it just seemed like a logical thing to get into pt. So as you said before, I studied sports science at un. Off the back of that, I, I did some work with Melbourne Storm and I probably got to a point where I realized elite sports wasn't for me and I probably more preferred the work that I was doing with just everyday people and people that, that are in the business world. And the variety is the one thing that I really enjoyed rather than just focusing and honing in on one sport.

So I, I got to, about halfway through my footy career. I was sort of 25 and I thought, what do I want to do with myself? And I ended up moving to London and when I got there I, I needed money straight away and as you said in the intro, Rowdy was someone that I'd met while I was traveling and after my travels I thought, geez, I need to make some money quick here and, and get that bank balance back up. So I jumped into like PTing in the private sector and yeah, I just loved it. And I've been in there ever since and it's been great. It's, it's, I've moved all around the world doing it. I lived in London, as I said, and I, I also spent two years in Abu Dhabi.

But off the back of that I've been able to now work with people online in the States, all over. So yeah, that's how I sort of got into pt.

That's awesome. And what, what is the thing that motivates you to do the personal training? Is it, is it seeing the results of, you know, a tech bod numply like me, you know, sort of improving or, or is it, is it the fact that you're able to sort of share your knowledge and skills to people that don't necessarily know, you know, how to improve their life?

I think there's, there's a few different elements to it that I love. I'm just very passionate about it. I've been a gym nut since I was a kid. I remember back in the day, I was probably 14 or 15 and I'd just go down the local footy club with my mates and we'd Spend a couple hours in the gym. And basically all we did was bicep curls and flex in the mirror. And it's all pretty embarrassing now looking back on it. Shirts off, music up.

That's what burgs is like in the gym.

Squat rack, curling.

Yeah.

Literally just every muscle that you can see in the mirror. We worked on. It was no back nothing. So abs went for about three hours. We were chasing that six pack. So, yeah, got into it through that, and I lost track of your question there.

But, yeah, like, the motivation behind, like, wanting to help people.

Yeah. So I.

I've always, just, as I said, loved helping people and working with people. And the cool thing in. In this field that I work in is, is you see people so often and you speak to people so often. So say I see a client only twice a week, which is not a lot. We spend an hour together, one on one for. For two hours. Sorry. Because twice a week, and you just get to know so much about their life. And then off the back of what we actually do in the gym, you can have such an impact on it. And when you see people come to you and. And they. They are really struggling, and it might be they're struggling with their weight or they're struggling to. To have confidence, so they want to build some muscle, and you help them with that side of things and then you see it flourish into every other aspect of their life. It really gives me a lot of fulfillment.

Yeah. And as you said before, like, it. It seems such a small thing, but it can have such a big impact on everything else you do. It influences your work, it influences your relationships, Your productivity can go through the roof. So, yeah, I think that side of things, just really helping people, I get a big kick out of.

Yeah.

Epic.

That's awesome. Yeah. Exercise is like the secret drug, right? Everyone said if you could put it in a pill, it'd be like the most sold pill in the world. 100% makes you feel good, fixes you. Just turns on all the switches that you need.

What do they say? Like, once you finish a workout, no one ever regrets it. And they. And the feeling you get after, it's always great. I'm sure 95% of people, when they start, don't really want to do it. I know I'm definitely in that category too sometimes. But, yeah, the feeling you get after is great.

Yeah, I'm always like that, where I'm like, I don't want to work out. It's annoying. It's gonna hurt. It's a lot of effort. I'm tired. All excuses in the world. And I've gotten to a point where I'm like, your feelings. Just get in the gym. And then after five minutes, just like, yeah. And all the, all the kind of, you know, thoughts and worries and pains and all the trolls you have in your head, they just go away. After that workout. You get such clarity that it's just a beautiful thing, but it is, it is hard work to do it and do it consistently.

Yeah, it is. And I think back to you, Benny, you've just prioritized it and it's really important to prioritize it. And, and if you want to do well and excel in other areas of your life, it's such an important area that you need to, you need to.

Focus on what, what are like the biggest. You know, actually, let's talk about the science behind like, we talk about, like, the feeling you get after a session, like what's actually happening in your body when you go in and smash out like an hour workout. You're sweaty and you're feeling good afterwards.

Especially after, after cardio. It's endorphins.

And weights can give you a similar effect, but endorphins is the main one that you get after a workout. And, and that's just what makes you feel good. And a workout's not the only thing that can. Can help bring on that. It's. There's other aspects to your health and wellbeing that you can, that you can do that, that help with those sorts of things. And one that's a big craze at the moment, but it's been around for centuries and people in, in Europe have been doing it for years. These ice baths, it's going nuts right now. Going nuts, isn't it?

Yeah.

In saying that, we've definitely jumped on the trend at the gym. We've now got a chest freezer which we're going to use as an ice bath and all that sort of stuff. So, yeah, it's the endorphins for sure.

Fascinating. And the other thing I was going to say was like, food intake. So one of the biggest things that I was working out two or three times a week, pretty average, just rolling in and doing, just doing it to sort of take the box. But my food intake was just shot to pieces and I think that's really why I was getting sick. And we spoke about it pretty in depth when I was first starting out, like, what I was eating. I was eating a lot of burgers and pizzas and just like Because I'm on the road all the time. I was just eating, realized I wasn't eating any vegetables. It was just, it was, it was awful. And one of the things that I remember you telling me when we were first talking about diet intake was around the serotonin comes from your gut and like how much you know of how you feel comes from your stomach. And I didn't actually know that it makes sense now but like what you eat is really how you feel. And you know, over the last couple of months I've taken a real different direction with what I'm eating. I'm, you know, any more protein, less carbs and all the veggies. You know, what are the other impacts of like eating healthy or even like, if you can talk about like the difference of like just working out, eating versus doing both and the impacts or non impacts it can have if you're not eating well?

Yeah, I think if you're not eating well and still working out, you can see some results, but they're going to be very small.

They say it's like an 8020 rule, but I think diet is just one of the biggest elements of your health and your fitness and it's the hardest one to change. So it's the one that people probably look to do last. Everyone looks to do a really tough training session or go on a big run.

But that might be for an hour for the day or might be, say, do it three times a week. That's three hours of the week. We eat so many times throughout the day and you've got to eat every day. Your diet's just such a big part of all that and it can, it can flow onto every other aspect of your life. It influences your sleep, it can influence your productivity at work, your mental clarity, your happiness. I don't know if you've ever done a period of time where you've tried to stay off food for a long time, like a long fast or anything like that. But if you're super hungry, you get, you can get really cranky and it can, I've seen people that go either way, they try and diet really hard and that can affect the relationships or they don't diet properly and eat junk food all the time. And that can affect their relationships and it can affect your family life, your business life, everything. So it is so important to where you can prioritize it and, and eat healthy.

And what, what does that look like? Like if we use Ben as an example, and I just like how you're saying people get hangry mate, that's me every day where it's like I'm too much on the computer. Like previously I would have, you know, I'd prep my meals and I'd eat before I was hungry. That was fantastic. Maintain, like, you know, a sanity level throughout the day. Haven't been doing that for a while. Miss a meal, get really hangry, just completely. Ben has said eating differently has changed his life. Do you maybe want to talk a bit about what plan you've got Ben on and what he's actually doing differently?

Yeah. So there's some common things I always see with people when they come to me and we look at their food, and probably one of the big ones is not getting in enough protein. So I know that's something that we spoke about.

Protein's what keeps you full. It helps with recovery, muscle growth. It really complements the stuff that you do in the gym. So that's a big one. And then just overall, probably not enough intake of fruit and vegetables. It sounds so simple and it's something that we probably learned from young ages, but putting that into practice is much harder than it sounds. And then especially if you add in stuff like busy lifestyles like you've got, it can be a bit of a juggling act. So what does that look like if, if, if we even simplify it down to a plate, even. Majority of your plate should be fruit and vegetables. I'd say a half split, and then on the other half you should have a quarter protein. And a quarter of carbohydrates is normally what we would go to.

But it depends on the person and the schedule, how you fit that in. And I guess that's where coaches come in and they can help you individualize your approach. Because as you said before, it's going to be very different for you compared to Benny. Different situations, you might be juggling different aspects of your life. You put kids into the mix, you put a partner into the mix. There's a lot of things and a lot of factors that come into play.

Yeah. But it's, it's very much a common sense approach. I'd encourage people not to go down the path of thinking that they have to be on a certain type of diet to lose weight or a certain type of.

Fasting approach to gain muscle.

Yeah, it's. It's just common sense stuff. It's. Try and prioritize protein, getting lots of fruit and veggies, don't be scared of any of the types of fruit and veggies.

And minimize as much as you can those processed foods.

Yeah. And for me, I think it was being just conscious or aware. And I feel as though like I was just asleep at the wheel for so long until we spoke about it. And then I started being conscious about what I was eating. I was like, I'm just eating over here. Like, you know, just get a Palmy. I'd eat chips, I'd just get burgers, like on the weekend, have a few beers, have maccas the next day. And it's just like when you're conscious and I feel as though, like, I wouldn't even say I'm on a diet. It's like just being like. You were just like, look, you need to have protein in every meal. Sort of cut down on the carbs of a morning. I was having like big bread, bacon and eggs, you know, a roll or something of a morning. And I was craving carbs for the afternoon. I've cut all that out. Just do a protein shake in the morning, do the muscle chef meals of lunch with the veggies, doing double lunch. So like we've spoken about before, like when I'm not eating in the morning as much, like having a lunch and then having like a, you know, three 34 o' clock meal, more protein and then at dinner having maybe another muscle chef meal or Subway or something like that and cutting out all the fast food and it. And I think just being conscious for me, that just thinking about it's really helped. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that has a massive effect because it's very easy to get into the, the cycle without even knowing and eating bad. And as you said, it's a prime example of most people's weekends. It's okay, let's kind of go out with friends or family.

We might have a few drinks next day. You feel hungover. It's like, okay, maybe some ubereats. Let's get a bit of maccas. All of a sudden I've had a bacon and egg McMuffin for breakfast and I'm going to KFC for dinner. Like, I mean, not everyone's that bad, but yeah, it's very easy to get in the cycle of, of not eating properly and, and prioritizing your health.

100.

The first step is being conscious of that and knowing that you're in that.

Yeah.

How does, how does alcohol play into all of this? So Ben's a lad, he likes a few frothies. How does that affect your training, your sleep? Just every kind of day activities? Like if your alcohol consumption, if someone comes to you. Right. Essentially what you're asking them to do is, hey, I want you to change all your habits. They're gonna have to do really hard stuff like exercise, change their food, and potentially change alcohol consumption as well. Do you kind of go for reduction, elimination? How does it affect people and what do you generally advise your clients?

I think with anything it's balance. I always try and preach balance. I'm the same as Ben. I come from, as I said before, footy background. It's, we love having a few beers and I'm not ever going to tell anyone, stop drinking. Or when you get to the weekend and you go to the footy or whatever, don't have a few beers because it's just not the case and it's you. I want people to be able to enjoy the finer things in life. I love a glass of wine.

I think I'm getting old now that I'm enjoying wine. Yeah, I feel like my dad in some aspects saying that. But yeah, it's, it's balance and it's picky battles and it's. Be conscious of it like you said before. So that it's not Thursday, Friday, Saturday night, we're having a drink or we come home from work and before we know it, we've tucked into a bottle of wine and instead of having one glass, we've had the bottle. It's, it's just being conscious and prioritizing your health. As you said before, it's that first step. But yeah, I'm never someone to say completely cut your alcohol. In terms of, back to your question, how that affects your results.

It probably looks like I'm wearing two watches, but I'm not. I've got a Apple watch and a, and a whoop whoop measures your recovery. It shows things like heart rate variability, gives you some awesome data. And basically on the app that it uses, it'll give you a recovery score each day and you'll either be green, yellow or red. And, and that gives you a gauge on, on how rested you are and, and what's going on inside your body. Every single time I have more than three or four drinks, I'm in the red whether I have 10 hours sleep, whether I feel rested or not. There's things in there like your heart rate variability, as I said, will be lower, your body temperature might be up. So alcohol does really affect your.

Your results and, and your body and how you're going to perform the next day. So just be mindful of when you, when you choose to do it. I think midweek, if you're if you're serious about your work and your business and, and getting results in that, you've got to weigh up whether it's going to be beneficial to those things as well.

And then, yeah, pick your battles. So, so for me this weekend, I know I've got my engagement party coming up and I'll definitely be in the red on Sunday.

So I really, really like your measured approach because in this world it's always an honor off all or nothing and that's not life. Humans aren't perfect. We will never do that in our lives. It has to be, you know, a little bit of balance, which is great. And you mentioned technology there and Ben and I are big tech heads and there's a lot of fitness tech out there and I just love to know, like, what kind of fitness stuff or technology have you tried? What's good and how do you use it and do you use it with your clients?

I've tried literally everything I feel like.

And I've tried all the fad diets and all that sort of stuff too. So I think that's why sometimes I, I'm able to be measured and balanced with people because I know they just don't work and, and they're not sustainable long term. But one that I really love is the Whoop that I spoke about before. You can actually do the same thing with that. The Whoop does with the new Apple watch as well. But I try and keep it simple for people and I love anything that measures your steps throughout the day because that shows how active you're being and whether you're living a very sedentary lifestyle, sitting at a desk a lot because that affects so many other aspects of your life.

I also like apps that you can track your food on, especially from a standpoint of weight loss, because then we can have a look at and it takes all the emotion out of it. We just have a look at where you, your eating patterns, what you eat and when you eat. So from my standpoint, I love that and I, I find that the apps that are out there, my fitness palm, all these sort of apps that you can use to track your food are awesome.

Yeah. As I said before, I try and keep things simple with the technology side of things, but definitely my number one would be Whoop.

Excellent. You see a lot of stuff with tech bros where they're like, they've all got their aura rings, they're having ice bars, they've got their eight sleep where it's really cold and they're just doing a Whole bunch of stuff.

That was me when I was younger. I measured like my blood ketones, my blood glucose. Like, oh, People would have been like, oh, this guy must be diabetic. But I wasn't. I was just like, very intrigued in, in what was going on in the body. And yeah, I look back on it now and I'm like, some of this stuff's crazy. But yeah, people had that with the.

Continuous glucose monitors where it's literally in a vein in your body, measuring your glucose. I'm like, you're a tech, bro. You don't need to go that hard. You're not an elite athlete, you're not diabetic. You'll be sweet, bro. Like, just eat a bit better, exercise a bit more. And one of the big things they're doing is quite a lot of people. It's quite mainstream now is intermittent fasting where people will kind of have their dinner and then not eat anything until lunchtime. Some people go extreme and do 18 hours plus people crying like, oh, I get such mental clarity. It's amazing. Is this something you've tried or your, your clients has tried and what are your views on it?

I think fasting can be great and it's, it's very individual. Like, I think the most common approach is the eight hour eating window and the 16 hours of fasting. And it really depends on your goal. So if, if we look at someone that's a weight loss client, my, my only thing that you got to be careful of with fasting is it doesn't give you a license in that eight hours to go crazy. And that's what sometimes happens. So you might push your eating out till midday or, or two in the afternoon so that you can eat till later in the day, 8pm, 10pm and they get to that period and it's like, I'm so hungry that I'm just gonna eat everything. And it's, you need food at that time when it ticks over and it's okay. What's the quickest way to get some food in? And it can be a little bit unsustainable. But I have clients that do it and they do it in a measured way and it gets great results. And they find that they have great mental clarity throughout the time that they don't eat. And then they're also better able to stick to the food that I sort of prescribe them. So I definitely encourage people to try it. I'm not, I'm not too sure about the extreme levels of fasting that some people do. Because you can do two and five where it's like long, long, long periods of fasting. Some people go in and fast for more than one day. So I haven't ever got that extreme. So I can't comment too much on that. But yeah, I think it's great. But just make sure that it still fits into what your overall goal is.

That's great. Probably a year ago I did intermittent fasting where I'd kind of have my dinner and then not eat anything until lunch. Might have a black coffee in the morning and mate. By lunchtime, my body was just like, I need calories. It's literally just like in my mind I'm picturing Hungry Jacks, right? And I hardly ever ate Hungry Jacks and it's like, you have to go get hjs. I need calories. I'm fucking dying. And I had to deal with that every day. Like I have my lunch for people prepared. I'd go and eat that.

Did you find it more when the wind, like when your window opened, did you find that you just smash food?

Oh, yeah. I was so hungry. So I'd literally just have my lunch at 12, one o' clock hungry again. And then I'd have to eat more and more during that window. And I was doing meal prep and it was healthy food, but it just didn't suit me at all. And I didn't feel much different. I didn't really get the clarity. It was just easier because I didn't have to make breakfast. That's about it. And it just wasn't there for me. And then I just went back to eating, well, four or five meals a day, just small, like the protein, everything that you suggested. And then that was perfect. And then it just went off the rails. But getting back towards that.

But yeah, that's the thing.

Fasting was crazy.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's not a, it's not a fancy thing. Like I think people hear the, the name intermittent fasting and they're like, well, what is this? It's for the majority of it, if you're using that sort of eight, eight hour window, you, you just skip breakfast. So it's, it's not some crazy thing. People do it all the time and they don't call it intermittent fasting. It's just, okay, I forgot to have breakfast. I got up a bit later, I slept in. So yeah, it doesn't have to be this crazy thing.

That's it. And people as well, they're just like, I just had a coffee, but they're Having like three or four flat whites and I'm like, there's a lot of calories in those bud. Like, this isn't fasty.

Yeah, that's very true. And yeah, to properly fast, you don't have any calories at all. So that's the other mistake that can sometimes come with intermittent fasting.

What about sleep, mate? We speak about sleep a little bit. I think for a lot of people, whether in business, crypto, investing, trading, like, you know, you always seem social media, like, you know, things are always on. I've really tried to work on my sleep as much as I, I can because I know it has a big sort of impact on your day and your energy levels. You know, amongst everything we spoke about, gym, eating, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Like, how much does sleep play into your ability to have energy and sleep is massive.

It's like, yeah, it's up there with diet, I would say in terms of importance.

And there's so many things that you can do to improve your sleep. Obviously prioritizing it's is the main one and but a few approaches that I really, really like is the temperature that your room is. So you want a temperature that's cool.

And is quite comfortable. So for some people that's a little bit different in terms of the exact temperature that you use. But using things like a fan or an air conditioner to have a steady temperature throughout the night is great so that you're not too hot or too cold. I really like the approach of making sure your, your room is completely black.

My room at home is. We have block out shutters on the, on the window. And if I, if I shut everything out now in the middle of the day, it's completely black. And that's how it should be when you sleep. And you need to make sure that like if your TV's got little lights on it or any sort of technology that you have in the room, it doesn't increase that brightness because that really affects how you sleep too. And then just really basic stuff like prioritize a really great bed, you spend so a really great mattress, I should say. You spend so much time on it, it's like a third of your life you spend sleeping. So prioritize a great mattress and a great pillow. I'm a big fan of memory foam pillows. Some people use two, some people use one. Pregnancy pillows, some people use. So you just got to find what works with you. But yeah, they're definitely approaches that I like to use towards sleep.

And what about leading up to sleep so, you know, I can get to my bed, that's no worries. But like things like, you know, getting off screens or having a sleep routine. Do you find you have a certain routine or things that you recommend to your clients in order to actually get to sleep along with, you know, the block out blinds and everything?

Yeah, I think a sleep routine can be great.

But I think that gets over, prioritized over other aspects that are more important. I think.

A regular sleep, like going to sleep at a regular time and waking up at a certain time is far more important than wearing blue light blocking glasses before you go to bed. If you're, if you're regularly going to bed at completely different times, your body just has no idea what's going on and your circadian rhythm is completely out of whack. You can sleep.

You can go to bed and be watching the TV before, but if you go to bed at a regular time, you probably have a better sleep than, than if you did a complete sleep routine but you went to bed three hours later than you normally do. So I would say prioritize a routine as much as anything rather than the sleep routine itself of different bits and pieces. So just try. Yeah, similar, similar time each night and then.

And Ben mate, how's your sleep going since you've started exercising and eating a bit better? Have you noticed a difference?

Yeah, I do and it was a really good point you make jordy because Sunday night, you know, was out for dinner and had a few drinks and then like, you know, got back trying to get to bed by like midnight 12:30. I felt tired. I couldn't sleep for like an hour or two like drinking and then also just a different time. Usually go to bed about 10, 10:30. So yeah, for me it's getting a lot better. For me it's more the mobile phone though. Like, you know, social media and content has gone off chop. So I'm thinking about work and I'm still like wide and sitting on the couch. My laptop, like that's when I'm not winding down for the night, that's when I don't sleep well. So putting my phone away 30 minutes before, you know, bed, just watching some TV and winding down, it's gotten a lot better. And then I've used the Headspace app as well to listen to like sleep ca and music before bed, which has been a big game changer.

So yeah, I'm a big fan of the Calm app too. They have some similar ones that you can listen to before sleep. But I work with Some business people, some accountants, all that sort of stuff that have super stressful jobs. And you've got to think about it in terms of when you wake up, how your productivity is going to be. So as you said before, it's really good that you can prioritize half an hour before bed. Because on the flip side, when you wake up, you're going to be so much more productive that next day than if you try and extend that working day out a little bit and you go to bed and your mind's racing, racing, racing, and then you can't sleep, can't sleep, leads to tired the next day and then your productivity shot for the whole next day.

Totally agree. Yeah. And I find that that morning of the next day, like, or any, any day is the best part of the day to get any deep work done. So when I get up, don't look at the phone and I try not to get on any social media till, like, lunchtime and try and avoid emails and just get straight into deeper work because by the afternoon it's, you know, you're sort of already getting foggy.

Yep.

What about, like, when you're in the gym, mate, like, you and I were speaking this morning around, like, you know, even working on your legs and like, my flexibility was shot, you know, when I first started, I didn't stretch when I was going to the gym every day. Now Jordy's got me onto this, like stretching routines at 10, 15 minutes of stretching. Never really done that in my life. You know, play golf on the weekend and got around 18 holes, like, without a skate, like, didn't feel sore or anything. What is the, I guess, misconceptions or, like, reasons why people should be thinking about, you know, stretching and flexibility and even, like, working on things like your legs and squats and things like that?

Yeah, I think flexibility, mobility, all that sort of stuff is so important because it complements what you do in the gym, but it also just makes you feel great. And I think you can.

Attest to this, that it does make you feel really good. And I think the majority of people, okay, if you're a bodybuilder, then you've got a different goal. But the majority of people that will be listening to this and will be thinking about training will have so many other things outside of work that they need to prioritize the way they move for. And it might be golf on the weekend. It might be the fact that you've got grandkids and you need to pick them up off the ground. It might be the fact that you want to have a kick of the footy out the back with your son or your daughter or.

Yeah. You don't want to reach up into the cupboard and not be able to put your hands over your head and get something out. You know, like it's, it's just simple day to day activities that when you're restricted and tight, it can really impact, impact on the quality of your life.

But if we, if we go back and look at the results that you want to get in terms of how you look and how you're training, if you can't get into the right positions, on the movements that we prioritize. So I always say focus on your compound lifts, your squat, your bench, your deadlifts, chin ups, all this sort of stuff. If you're too restricted, we need to spend a period of time getting you into those positions and improving your mobility so that you can get into those positions. And.

The way our life is where in similar positions all the time, like we are now sitting at a desk, at a computer in the car, driving a lot. So we need to sort of have things that open everything back up. And, and as you said before, you'll notice that it not just helps what you do in the gym, but everything else outside of it.

Have you found that books, like, you know, you've been getting into deadlifts more recently. I mean, you've done gym in the past but like more recently going heavy on deadlifts. Like, do you do. Because I didn't stretch before going to see Jordy and now I'm stretching. Like I was.

Like, I have to.

Yeah, yeah.

So I have to. So I've got fibromyalgia as well. So I need to always stretch. I need to foam roll and myofascial release. Like I have to do it daily, if not twice a day. Otherwise I'm wrecked. Like I'll just be heading for an injury. Especially with what I'm lifting now.

Yeah, absolutely.

Have to do it.

Massive bricks, big weights.

Well, up until a month ago when I had my surgery. Now I'm like building back up and it just feels so light and I've got like, God damn it.

Competition between you and Benny.

Oh, you have a deadly. Don't worry about it.

Let's go. I'd love to do that. This is the next thing. Ben.

Yeah, thanks.

No, but I think it's, it's a must have. And I wanted to know like from the clients that you're seeing and you've been doing this for a while like when they come in, how is their hip and shoulder mobility? Because like, you know, we sit at desks all day, we don't really lift our arms above our heads. Do you see that a lot where you're like woof. Where they're like pretty tight and you have to work on them for a while just to be able to do the movements that you want.

Yeah, want them to do, you do. And we try and weave the mobility work in so that people don't know they're doing as much as they are sometimes because otherwise it just feels like all they're doing is mobility.

But yeah, some people come in and they can't touch their toes or one of the assessments that we do at the beginning is like a straight leg raise and, and they, you're meant to be able to get it up to 90 degrees and some people can't even get it past 40. And you just think, geez, your hamstrings are tight. But as you said that tight hips, rounded shoulders, tight through the chest. It's, it's very common. One of the questions I asked Ben in his assessment at the start is what do you do for a job? And I think when we ask this question, sometimes people think, oh, why they, why are they asking me that? And it's literally the only reason I ask it. Maybe some people are different, but I ask it because I want to know if you sit and if you're at a desk or if you're in the car a lot. Because there's so many common factors for people that sit and are in the same position all day long. But I think we're getting better at understanding that, that that is an issue.

Going to any office these days. And you say sit, stand, desks.

So many people come in and they go, I know I'm going to be tight because I sit at the desk all day. And people are definitely getting conscious of it. So the shift is happening. But yeah, there's a lot of work in the gym that we do to undo all that sort of stuff.

Yeah. Even, especially the rounding of the back. So I do that constantly in everything I do. I just have to be conscious of it. So it's, it's to the point where it's like, I've got a timer, so I think it's like every half an hour or something I'll just do 10 push ups and do some face pulls as well, like just to do the opposite, like action. Right.

I think we've been going half an hour, let's go.

But just Doing that simple motion, like doing like face pulls and doing the opposite motion that helps so much. And it was to the point I was having like searing pain in my back just from sitting at a computer, from literally just doing nothing. It's crazy.

Yeah. So some people that we say, as you said before, we actually.

If you look at what we put into their program, we, we sometimes prioritize double the amount of back work compared to the front just to try and strengthen their back and get them in a better position. So rather than doing say bench press into some sort of row, it might be bench press into a row and into something like you said before, a pull part or something that works on, on getting those shoulders back. So yeah, there's definitely different techniques you can use around that to, to help that. But yeah, it's a common issue.

I want to take a little bit of a different direction because we've been speaking about clients like the personalization aspect. This is a big change that I went from. I was using an app, very generic, you know, system. And as Bergs would know in our listeners, I love spending money on like experts and advisors and like coaches. So when I, when I was like connecting with you, I was like, you know, because I've had a PT in the past, but it was just kind of shit to be fair. But like getting that like real personalized advice so I can get as fast as where I want to get to as humanly possible. So it's been a big impact on me. Like what is the business like behind personal training? Are you running your business similar to other personal trainers? I know you've got the online aspect, got the sort of subscription model, doing some content. You've got a lot going on. Are you a one man band? How do you think about the business aspect? We love business, our listeners love business. So we'd like to dive into that a bit more.

It's funny you say that because I think when people come in for their sessions and because you're running your own business as well, you get it. But a lot of my other clients don't and they think that when I rock up for the session, we do that and then I go home and I'm done. And there's just so much more to running your own business. I feel like at times I'm a bookkeeper.

You're a marketer?

I'm a content creator, marketer, accountant, lawyer. Yeah. So for example, Sundays, normally I spend the majority of the day shooting content. Yeah, I've got a, a couple of people that are awesome help for that. For me.

My, my partner's little sister is actually a little bit of a tik tok superstar. So shout out to Chena. She, she does all the chopping of my videos and stuff like that for me. And one of my other clients works in social media too and she takes great photos and videos and we do some more professional stuff with her as well, not just the, the amateur stuff that I shoot. So yeah, there's just so many aspects to running your own business. We're in the process at the moment of, of hiring someone else as a coach. Our business is, is expanding and it's expanding quick and we've probably got to a point where we've got too many clients for us to handle and we need more people. So that is bringing its challenges in itself. And I'm sure you'd know you've got many employees under you. It's, it becomes a whole different ball game again. It's not just about being a coach and knowing what to tell people to eat. It's now about managing other people to do the same.

Yeah.

Personally I'm loving that, that shift and, and I love that business side of things too. And back to your question at the start. Why did you get into personal trainings? I think I, I really enjoy all the aspects around running your own business as well and it gives you, yes, a lot of freedom, but there's just so many other things that you, you have to think about.

Which I love. I'm sure my partner at times is like, geez, can you get off your computer? And like 9 o' clock at night, I'm still doing stuff and she, she wants to talk about her day and, and I, I, I get in trouble sometimes because it's as you said, you can be all in and, and you can really invest a lot of time into it. But yeah, there's just so many aspects to run in it.

Yeah, you can imagine.

Tell us, tell us about your subscription model. How does that work for being a pt?

So I, for my online business I have a few different, I have three different things that I offer and the main, the main one is one to one online coaching. And then I also have a bit more of a generic program that's not individualized for footy players. And then what I like to call your everyday athlete and my style of training always comes back to a performance element. And I think performance for different people looks like different things. It might be you want to be more productive at work. It might be you want to be able to pick your grandkids up and take them to the park. For some people it's I want to be better at footy or I want to be better at basketball. So yeah, they're the sort of three products that I offer for my online business. And then in terms of the in person stuff that we do, we have semi private training which is similar to like a group model but you get an individual program. So it's, it sits somewhere between a class and a personal training session. And then we offer one to one PT as well.

And how does the online one on one work?

So if you're a one to one client with me, I write you a training program. So initially, sorry, I'll go back to the start is we do an assessment that can be either online or in person. So if they're based in Melbourne, I normally encourage them to come and see me in person like Ben did. And then we do an assessment. We work out what their goals are, what they want to achieve, what everything around their life looks like. So we'll cover diet, we'll cover sleep, we'll cover what they do for work, if they have kids, if they have a partner, how much time they can allocate to training. And then off that we write a plan. And that plan will include training, it'll include nutrition and it'll include some of the other aspects that we've spoken about, sleep, hydration, all that sort of stuff, recovery methods.

And then I set the plan for them and hopefully they go away and do it and, and then I'm there. Like, like you would be in a, in a personal training session or in a group session for people to refer back to. So I know for Ben he'll often message me and be like, oh, I'm just about to go out for lunch. I'm not one sure what I should be having. Should I have maccas and should I.

Maccas or kfc? No, he normally, he normally ask me questions about what he should do when he eats out and we might be looking at the menu and I might say okay, let's prioritize a little bit more veg and protein at this meal. Or he might have just done a training session. So I'm like, okay, if you want you can have a little bit of chips or some potato or, or tuck into a beer if you want something like that.

The green light join you.

He's texting me all sorts of stuff.

Yeah, that's basically how it works. I'm. It's basically, basically like a virtual personal trainer and it gives people the freedom to, to be able to do it in their own time and in their own environment. I totally understand that the gym's not for everyone. It can be an intimidating place for people to go to. And.

Yeah, it can be a hard environment to step into because you just assume that everyone that's there is fit and healthy and is going to be strong and jacked and look great and super confident. And it's, it's. It's just not for everyone. I know my partner, she's. She's not a big fan of going to the gym, and I've learned a lot from her about. Because I, I've been in the gym since a young age. I feel quite comfortable there.

But I understand that that's not for everyone. So it just gives you flexibility of time and flexibility of place and. But you still get someone that can answer the questions when. When you hit a roadblock.

Yeah, that's excellent. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the gym either. Like, I feel comfortable there, but it's just so annoying, like dealing with other people, people grunting or like using serious equipment or like, I'm just like, fuck these people, man. Like not wiping something down. I'm just like, nah, I'm just going to work out at home. I feel like weights in a rack and I'm done.

I feel like a little bit my content at the moment has referred back to the grunters. And I'm not a big fan of the grunters either. I'm like, you're not going that hard. Your set has literally just started. You're doing a warm up set. You do not need to be grunting.

The, the one I love is people that get really dressed up or girls that wear full makeup. And I'm like, whoa, that's gonna sweat and it's gonna run like dressing up for the gym.

Yeah. That can be more dolled up than, than a night out.

I'm probably opposite of you bugs. I'm like, I can't work out at home. I tried. Can't do it. I hated it. Got to go to the gym. Got to go. I love being around other people. Gets me pumped up. Everyone's in there hustling, get all the equipment. I hate a small hotel gym.

It's funny because I found that especially during lockdown, I had a lot of clients that were regular trainers and really struggled to train during lockdown because they didn't have that environment.

Yeah.

So like you said before, the individualized approach is just so important because you just got to find what works for you. What works for me might not, might not work for you, you know. So yeah, the gym's sometimes a place for people, sometimes not.

It's so true because, so in collective shift, you know, change of pace, like our, our pro membership is a very much more one on one personalized strategy. Right. So like if you're, you know, you're, you're a founder, you're a busy guy, you're trying to set up your crypto portfolio, like to go out and understand what you need to do, what to invest into, what your strategy is going to be like, who to listen to, where to buy, how to store. You're like, it's impossible. So what we developed was like a more, you know, high tier product where like you could sit down with one of our team, go through your strategy, think about what your goals are, set yourself up right, so you have the confidence, you're knowing you're going down the right direction rather than being led down the garden path. I'm not sure what it's like in the PT industry. I'm sure there's some, some pretty poor advice rolling around out there as well.

Yeah. 100 and I think it's like any industry, as you said it, it doesn't matter whether you're in, whether you're in investing or whether you're in health and fitness, there's definitely good and bad advice and you really should. As you said before, I'm a big fan. Maybe it's why man you click mate. Because I'm a big fan of getting coaches in as well. So for me, if I, if I want to upskill, want to learn new things, I try and seek out the best coaches in the field and.

Yeah, trying to find the right advice at times can be really hard. But it is such a worthwhile investment and it can save you so much stuffing around or in the case of investing, losing money. I, yeah, I would encourage people to do it.

Jordan. I got deep this morning. Berg. CBDCs versus versus Bitcoin. So we, this is, this is, this is mid, mid squat, mate. This is what, this is our chat. I love it. Couldn't leave anything better.

If you're able to talk while you're squatting, mate, you're doing a job in between grunts. A grunt and then in between sets. Fair.

We, we added a bit of bitcoin chat in there and I had to add more plates to the side. He just got so fired up he.

Was ready to go double me.

Wait just a bull under the bars. Mate, just go for it.

Just started throwing plates around like it was no tomorrow. Added bitcoin in.

So good. So good. And even Ben, a few episodes ago, you were saying, why you go straight to a coach, and you're like, I just can't be. I don't want to read about it and learn. I just want to find the smartest person and learn as quickly as I can and start doing it today. And I think that is absolutely fantastic.

And we spoke about this morning. It's like staying in your lane a little bit.

Yeah.

And trying to be really good at what you do. And I really like that aspect of it, too. It's. For me, if I wanted to get into cryptocurrencies, it's like, okay, I'm coming to see you guys.

Yeah, yeah, 100. Yeah. And then. And because we're talking about investing this morning, it's like, you know, do I go into property or on stocks? And, you know, I think at some point I will. But, you know, for me, I want to know and have conviction, especially in investing, the asset class, getting into. I want to know exactly everything that's going on. And that's why I'm 100% crypto. I know you own some bitcoin, Jordy. Just bitcoin. Anything else have you betrayed?

Just bitcoin.

Okay.

Just bitcoin, mate. I've. I'm very, very new to the.

Okay.

To the cryptocurrency space. So.

Yeah, feel free to educate.

I was going to say growing business, mate. You're going to, you know, get into it. I mean, we spoke about the property market as well. Is there anything that you think about, like, long term around, you know, investing and like, you know, whether. Whether it is a property for your family or like, you know, trying to hedge against holding a bunch of cash into stocks or bitcoin or gold or anything like that? Like.

Yeah, it's funny. I always try and relate it back to things that I know and I. What I practice and preach and is trying to do things that you can do long term and they're sustainable. So I think if. If we. If I looked at my investing approach, it would be similar.

And I think that's why property is definitely something that appeals to me because as we were talking about this morning, I'm like, at some point I want to have a family and have kids and obviously you're going to have to have a home to do that. You can rent at the same time. So probably something I've looked at, but yeah, definitely. Bitcoin as well. And one of my mates has, has helped me with my investing in my portfolio and yeah, he's always encouraged me to get into some bitcoin as well. And like you said, it helps you diversify.

100 Burgess is so big's a bit of a different stage of life than I am. He's, you know, a bit more into property and you know, probably bergs, you know, your investing strategy today, it's probably, you know, a little bit more like risk off setting up the house, you know, you got a family, your kids, you're probably, you know, more similar to Jordy, I would have thought, in your investing strategy.

He's calling this old mate, you know.

See the chops on this lad, mate across the ears, mate. I think definitely at my stage it's more about diversification and wealth protection as well as some growth. So even though I say that I still invest in crypto, right. And I think a couple episodes ago, like maybe I think it was 15% of my net worth is in cryptos, quite a bit in real estate, cash and then other things as well. I don't think there's one asset class that I don't invest in, but it's definitely less risk on than Ben, where the majority of it is in his business and in crypto. So but again, at his station in Life. When you're 24, I would say you would have more money than most. 24 year old. I was broke at 24, I had university debt. I was probably like negative equity. You have a business, you have some crypto as well, you're doing quite well. And that concentration I think is a. Well, I believe is a good strategy in order to create wealth. Everyone says that, like, you know, VCs are going or you create a company, you start a business or you invest in one type of thing that you really understand very, very well. That's how you create wealth. Once you've done that, then you have to diversify and keep it. And that's kind of the station that I'm at the moment. Yeah. And similar things. So I've got a primary place of residence and you spot on when you have a family. I didn't want to rent anymore. I'm like, nah, fuck that. Like, I don't need that problem. I don't want to keep changing houses. I want somewhere we can live, something we can create our own. I could drill bloody holes in the wall and I don't have to worry about. And now I'm at the stage of looking at investment properties. As well.

Yeah, it's funny you say that about Ben having more, more money than most 24 year olds. He told me this morning he has an assistant. And I was thinking I was at 24, so far away from having an assistant that I wasn't even, that wasn't even on my radar. I was worrying about getting to uni on time, but that's exactly it, mate.

You're worried about like what time the pub sesh kicks off.

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

I think for like, you know, we speak to a lot of business owners that may be growing their business, earning dividends, you know, having a bit of cash on the balance sheet and like this is where I was a few years ago and thinking of ways you can hedge against that because, you know, I'm not sure who I was speaking to today about like we did an episode recently around inflation. So cost of living In Australia, roughly 6%, you know, over a 10 year period. If you, if you save in cash $100,000 over that 10 year period, by the time the 10 years up, $40,000 of that's lost due to inflation, cost of living. So like if you're saving cash, it's just through inflation, you're actually losing out unless you're holding assets and property is a great way to diversify. But for me bitcoin and some of the altcoins are a great way to also hedge. Bitcoin for me is number one. But you know, if you're wanting a bit more risk on, you know, you know, investments, you've got some other sectors that we talk about, collective shift, whether it be like Ethereum, you know, Defi, Metaverse, like these are like early stage investing that we don't know. We can't predict what's going to happen in the future. But some areas we like to put, put assets in, sorry, put money in. But yeah, I think in pretty much every portfolio, even if it's just 1% of your total wealth in Bitcoin, the asymmetric upside, like the potential of what bitcoin could do is insane versus the downside of a 1% loss in your portfolio. Like it makes so much sense for me.

Absolutely. You're not going to notice it. And I guess the unsaid thing here is both Ben and I, I would say a considerable amount of our net worth was made through crypto and specifically altcoins where we invest, we invest in a lot of things, but only put a small money, small amount of money into Bitcoin or large in bends and then maybe 1 or 2% of your portfolio into certain altcoins and that enabled us to generate like a decent amount of wealth and then put that back into bitcoin and reallocate. And it's that asymmetric upside where it's like 1% of an already small portfolio but it has the potential for quite significant gains.

I'm so glad you said that because I've got bitcoin in my portfolio. But it's funny you say that about diversifying because when I first got into investing and I put some money into shares and all that sort of stuff.

It was something that people always told me to do and I found that I didn't probably do that enough. And all of a sudden we're in a period where the market was going down and my portfolio started to go down and I was lucky that one of my mates told me to get into some lithium and it really just helped me keep my portfolio at a steady level rather than it really, really dropping off.

So yeah, I think why not diversifying.

A little bit of Bitcoin 100%. And you can also have a really boring strategy. Like, you know, people think you need to have 50 grand, 100 grand dump in there like tomorrow. Like that's not how it. You don't need to do that. Like you look at. So micro strategy. They're one of the, it's a NASDAQ listed company. They're software analytics company. The, the CEO of that company is a massive bitcoin fan. He's been buying bitcoin over the last three years. High price, low price. He's now, he now owns I think 140,000 Bitcoin at approximate value 29,000. He's just ticked into the profit. Bitcoin ticked over 30,000 US 4.8 billion, $4.1 billion worth of Bitcoin. Right. You're not going to have that much money just pile in at once. But if you, you know, dollar cost averaging, buy every week, you can average out the prices. You have to worry about whether it's up, down, sideways, just continue to accumulate. That's what we teach and what I've been doing the last six, six years and it's, I started with nothing. Like I'm from Tasmania, like, you know, middle class family. Like you don't have to have a lot of money to start. And that's what a lot of people get wrong, I think.

Yeah. And even when I started investing I didn't have a lot of money, but it was just small amounts and adding time and even with crypto, when I say altcoins, the large one for me was Ethereum, where you're buying it between 80 to $100 and then that 10x. And if you put a thousand dollars in, that's 10 grand. It's a significant amount of money that you can do other things with. So you don't need to start with a lot of money. You just need to start whether that shares, whether that's crypto, whatever you're investing in, get started today. Go and look up a compound interest calculator and work out, if you put in $10 a day, compounding at 7%, what you'll actually end up with when you retire. And it is significant from the earlier you start, the better it'll be from.

A beginner standpoint for someone like myself.

Compared to other things that you can invest in, Bitcoin can be quite volatile. Go up and down. What's your advice for people that want to get into Bitcoin.

And are going to experience that volatility? What would you say to them?

I think it's just, first of all, not putting in too much, that it's too emotional to bear the ups and downs. If you've put too much money in and the stomach churns when it's down 10, you know you put too much in. I did that when I first started. So it's putting in an amount that you're happy to lose, I would say. So if it's 1% of your portfolio, let's say you've got $10,000 of savings, you know, just put in 100 bucks, right? And then just see what happens. What I would do, and what we teach most people is just to put a percentage of your salary in each week. So I put 30% of my salary in each week. It can be down to 1%, 5%, whatever it is, and just accumulate. You can do it through things like get paid in Bitcoin or Bamboo App or Coinspot or Swiftly. There's so many exchanges, you can do it, just buy a little bit every week and then you don't have that emotional attachment to it. Put in a ledger, store it away and just forget about it for four or five years. And, you know, we can't guarantee anything on this podcast, but like, you know, the market is only heading one direction, in my opinion, over the next five, ten years. And it's, it's not downwards.

Yeah, the projections by some of the biggest funds in the world are quite significant. Like bitcoin hitting a million dollars by 2030. And it sounds laughable, but when you look at the methodology and theory behind it, you're like, okay, this is starting to make a lot of sense. And it, you know, it might not hit that amount, but the things that they're saying, it just. The thesis on Bitcoin is so damn good. And like Ben was saying, like, I think a key thing for me as well was dollar cost averaging in and only doing a small amount. So you sleep well at night, but when you start to look at that amount and that amount's going down. So let's say you went for 20 grand, you went up to 60 grand, you're averaging in a bang, it's down to 16. You need to have your strategy written down so you can actually look at it and be like, okay, I'm doing this because. And it might be something like, I'm dollar cost averaging over the next five years because I want to get to this amount. Once it hits a certain amount, I'm going to start averaging out and taking those profits and then I'll start going back in again, I think having that strategy written down so you don't become emotional, like, I'm losing money. Because if you sell, you've definitely locked in that loss and you've lost money. Whereas if you don't sell, you have the opportunity to add time and then collect profits.

It's funny, it's. Your advice is very similar to what I say to people in my field as well. And it's, it's play the long game, it's be patient, it's have a plan. It's. Yeah, they sound like really simple approaches. Consistency. Yeah, it's like little bits each week.

Rather than trying to go for something that says you're going to lose 40 kilos in two weeks from eating a certain pill.

It's like everyone wants the cheat code, right? That's where people go wrong in crypto. They try and make money too fast, they get into some crazy like D5 yield return thing and, and, and you lose because it's just not sustainable. It's not real. Like shortcuts of, you know, they're not the reality in most cases.

This is what you see in fitness as well. Like a lot of my mates do it where they get on these bloody meal replacement shakes, exercise like mad bastards and then they do that for maybe a month or something like that. And then by that point they've lost weight, right. Which is really a lot of muscle. And then they just start. Exactly. And then they start eating again. They can't they don't keep up their training. They. And you do that three or four times, you just end up obese because you've lost all your muscle, lost your water and it's just a calorie deficit. There's Nothing magical there.

100.

But they're actually not maintaining with the way that they're actually training.

Saying a few buzzwords there, mate. Calorie deficit.

Yeah, I know.

Look at you go. I might be out of the job.

You can come to gym.

Yeah. I'm rethinking my career. I'm sick of work with Ben. Might be a PT mate after this. You can put me on the path.

We'Re going to keep.

Out of the podcast and we're doing the health and fitness podcast.

All right, let's go, let's go.

Got a nice ring to it, man.

It does, is it?

Yeah.

Yeah, nice.

Jordy, this has been phenomenal, mate. What are you sort of, you know if. If someone's sitting at home listening the pod at the. Maybe not at the gym just yet, but they're thinking about wanting to get their health in order. What's sort of just the. What's the first thing they should start with? What's something to just get. Get them going.

I just think get into it straight away and try not to think about it too much. You're just gonna influence your whole life for the better. If you jump in. We'll speaking about it this morning and I think I'm not for an all or nothing approach but I think sometimes it's good to just jump into something and.

Hiring a coach is a great way to do that because they're. They're going to get rid of all the questions that you have. They've probably made those mistakes already themselves before. So try and find people, whether it's a coach, a mentor, someone that you can train with, that you can be accountable to and that can help you on the journey. But yeah, just get started. Stop thinking too much about it. People aren't going to care what. What you look like when you walk into the gym. They're more worried about themselves. So yeah, just start would be my one big bit of advice.

Yeah, it's great thoughts about you. Also do some content online which I follow. Where can people check out some of your stuff?

Mate, Jordan Pollard pt on pretty much everything. Tick tock, Instagram, YouTube, all that wicked.

We bergs Jordan and I often have some. Some content strategy between Bitcoin, CBDCs and squatting and grunting is our.

Is our session 95 of BEN sessions. GRUNTING.

There's no one else at the gym. It's just Jordy and I.

So Ben's. Ben's been on his social media game a while. He's now known as Mr. LinkedIn. Oh, you're that LinkedIn guy. What were you saying the other week? Some random woman came up to you. She was like, oh, did you find your bag? And you're like, who are you?

Yeah, I was in the elevator. Yeah. Going to an event. And she's like, do you find your bag? I was like, pardon? She's like, oh, I saw your post on Twitter this morning. I was like, oh, I did actually. Thank you.

There you go. I like it. Lifting and strategy. How good.

Thank you very much, mate, for coming on. That's been super helpful and I hope everyone at home, you know, enjoyed that and I've certainly enjoyed working with you, man. So if anyone's in Melbourne and. And wants to get serious about their health and fitness, hit up Jordy. It's definitely helped me out. So thank you for listening.

Ben.

Yes.

I want a commitment from you. So you've talked about old mate and he had a before and after photo, right?

Yeah.

And you're a self professed dad boy, even though you don't have kids and now apparently you have four abs. So you started, you've been going, what, maybe a couple of months. When are we going to get the after photo, mate? That's what the fans want.

After photo, yeah. How long's Rowdy been going with you for?

Rowdy's been. He's probably a year in now. So I think his was about. He did the 75 hard. So I think his was about 75 to maybe 100 days apart.

He's going to look a lot better than me. 75 day hard. 75 hard.

It's like, I reckon you just got to commit, mate.

What are you talking about?

I love a skewy too much.

That's what happened, mate. We. We need a date. How. Okay, how long do you reckon? All right, Jordan, how long can you give him from here for a photo where you. The before and after will actually be significant.

I always say three months. Is it good? 12 weeks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right. It's gonna be good.

I know Benny's traveling a lot over the next few weeks, so the pressure is going to be on.

Strapping the Shiraz, rolling into the mate, that's it.

You're gonna have to do double workouts every day. You're gonna eat like an apple.

If we do push ups on planes. Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, dear. Give me a year. Give me a year. Come back this time next year.

A year, mate. That's significant.

That is significant. Yeah.

I want it to be good photo. I'm not putting the rig out for mate.

We'll get in a studio like this, we'll oil you up a few lights, we'll work the angles. You'll be right. We could probably do it today.

Right?

I'm not committing anything on this podcast.

Come on.

Peer pressure, mate.

Yeah.

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