7. Secrets to Building a Better Life & Business

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Welcome back to episode seven of the Benneberg Show. Bergs, how are you, dude?

How you doing, mate?

I've got a new microphone. Do I sound good?

It looks very professional. It's got that screen in the front from all you spit. You won't hit it, mate.

So look at all the dials on it.

So I had. I had my first podcast recordings, which we'll get into soon with the. The new podcast I'm on did the first two episodes and an intro. I still had the cardboard box in between the filter and the microphone.

Amazing. Amazing. Amateur hour. Classic. Ben. So hang on, we're seven episodes in and you're cheating on me already with another podcast?

You won't give me one?

This is rubbish.

You won't give me what? You won't give me everything I needed. Burke's. I needed. I need to go.

You need to communicate with me, Ben. You got to tell me what you need. Help me to help you and our relationship.

I couldn't face you burgs. I did the dirty.

Oh. So it's been about a week and a half and I'm still not used to my face. How do you feel when you see this dial, mate?

Honestly, I can't look at you. I just look to the left and right.

Hey, lad, check this out.

I just took my headphones off and freaked him out. Makes my head look even smaller. It's weird. I had this giant head before with this oversized beard, and now I got this, like, really tiny head. It's crazy.

So before we kick off, we just wanted a quick shout out to everyone that's been giving us feedback. We've been getting dms thick and thick and thin. It's been amazing to hear the feedback. People are religiously waiting on a Wednesday afternoon in Australia to listen. We're still getting riled up by our mates. Burgs. I'm not sure what feedback you've had, but I'm still getting stitched up. But, yeah, thanks, everyone for listening and hope you're enjoying it. And yeah, we'd love to hear from you. So, so appreciate it.

Yeah, man. People are having, like, watch parties. Even my mate, who's always just like, oh, you suck, you're a piece of. But in his, like, consultant, wank away. He's just like, mate, this is way better than any writer has to be. He's like, you're not media train. You're not this, you're not that. And it's already super awesome. I'm like, lad, let's go. It was so good. Like, you know your mates that just stick it to you all the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, that was just like, highlight of my week. That was awesome.

One of my mates.

Your mates as well. Like, we're sharing it with each other. Like, holy crap. People actually like this. Let's go.

Yeah, I'm getting photos, like people listening in the car and then, you know, watching on YouTube and. Yeah, it's fun. It's good fun.

So still getting stitched up? Not so much on the YouTube tiles I made to still give me heaps, but I got stitched up this morning, mate.

Oh, whatever.

So it's a Sunday. We're recording on a Sunday, a day early. Ben's traveling, you know, so, yeah, got to respect the CEO schedule. So anyway, wake up, you know, fart around for a while, eventually pick up my phone and I go to press the fingerprint thing and I'm like, I feel something on the back. I'm like, what's that? And I flip it over and this is on my phone. Look at that. It's literally a perfectly cut out photo of me with my head with a giant beard on the back of my phone. And I'm looking at it, I'm thinking, that's a bit too perfectly cut out. So I went and like, I was like three words in. And the missus just couldn't stop laughing, mate. She just went bright red, completely stitched me up, like, what are you doing? And she was out last night, she was on the source. Came home late with her friends and she still managed to do this in the morning. That's how much she wanted to do it, mate. It's just habitual, okay? So I'm like, what are you doing? And then she tells me that, like a friend of hers, bloody Greenwood, right, She's the one that's been making memes and, like chopping my head out. She's gone and got all these stickers made up of these, right? Like, she's literally gone online, gone to a shop and got all these stickers of my head made up. So can you imagine? The next year of my life, these stickers are just going to pop up. I'm going to go to their house, they're going to pop one on my back or on my suitcase or on the back of my car. It's going to be never ending. And you know what else? This reminds me. So you know how we're talking about this guy Graham, right? Like this guy used to work with.

Yeah.

And everyone used to get us confused. I Don't know how he looks like. He has a thin beard like this now, right? And I used to have a massive one. I'm like, how can you confuse that? And also he looked, he's shorter, he's bald, completely bald and looks like the decaffeinated version of me, right? And I'm like people that have worked with us for like seven years, still confused. I'm like, what is wrong with you? And they're literally addressing us in meetings by the wrong name. And I would get so mad. Anyway, so, so, and then I bloody made the mistake of telling you guys in the all hands meeting. And like every time the meeting. Oh yeah, nice one, Graham. Shut up Graham. He's getting stitched up again. Anyway, this is what I wanted to show you. He stitched me up. So I got a title change a while ago at my old job to Chief Digital Officer and this is what he made. He made me into like a chief, like an Indian chief with a big headdress thing on there and everything. And these stickers were absolutely everywhere. So I just can't escape, mate. My life, I am convinced, is just getting stitched up by people.

You're just living in a meme.

Unbelievable. Even your wife is just like.

Oh mate, just dishing out the pain. I don't know, it's supposed to be like a lazy Sunday morning full of like love and like hugs and stuff. Nah, you're gonna cop this now. Stuck on my phone. I gotta work out how to get it off and everything. I might just leave it on there and freak people out when I'm on a call. What's this guy about?

You're no one in your corner, mate. Everyone just, everyone's.

Oh no, I'm just, just here all alone. Even the little one stitching me up. Just, yeah, just crying in the corner, mate. Just that piece of trash in the corner.

So Berg, speaking of knowing any corner, I have cheated on you in the podcast world of I've crossed that line. I never think I would, but I'm there.

I don't know if I could forgive.

You mate, but I'm starting a new podcast with the Nova Podcast Network. So it's called, well it's an existing podcast. It's called Decoding Crypto Myself. I'm the co host with Ed. It's from. She's originally from UK but she's living up in Gold Coast. She's an absolute champion and we're really bringing it back down to basics. So it's going to be three episodes a week. Delivered on the NOVA podcast network. So it used to be the co host, used to be, his name's Jason, he's a YouTuber out of Queensland. He's got a 250,000 subs, you know, awesome YouTuber, but he does more of the insights, analysis, direction, you know, markets. So this season, the next 20, 20 weeks or so, we'll be smashing out just the basics, really bringing everything back down to earth. What the hell is going on? What is it? You know, what is this? What is that? How does it work? Why is this important? How to navigate the crypto, basically for a beginner. So that's going to be launching in early August. Really excited for it. It's gonna be super fun.

That's so good because it's so easy to go so deep in crypto and you don't realize that when people come in and again, this was like years ago for us, how difficult it is just to catch up, just to learn the basics. And I think a lot of people are really going to benefit from that. And for those who don't know, Nova's like a big kind of, you know, telecasting network. They do radio, a whole bunch of stuff. They've got a big podcast podcast network in Australia. And I really feel that this is such a good move because you're going to reach a whole bunch of people that might not have been introduced to crypto and explain it to them in a very simple way where they can actually understand it and then start their crypto journeys because it is bloody hard for sure.

Now this is probably good talking point as we are an entrepreneur business podcast to go a little bit in the details, you know, of the, maybe the business of what NOVA does and then how it works. That might be actually an interesting insight. Probably I haven't checked, I'm pretty sure I signed an NDA but so I can't go into too much details but basically the way that it works is that Nova as the media conglomerate, they have, I don't know, 40 different podcasts on their network and then they have the radio stations and it's a really great model if you can create engaging podcasts that has distribution, sorry, has listeners because then you can distribute and co market across your other channels. So for example, Fitzy and Whipper is one of the biggest morning radio shows which is on the Nova radio network. It's broadcast across all Australia. They can promote their other podcasts within their other channels. So they're launching a new podcast like the Decoding Crypto. They can add pre rolls onto some of their other podcasts that are uncorrelated to crypto. Or they might do it on a sporting podcast or a sporting radio show that has a crossover of audience. So they really are able to fast track the growth of any podcast. And what they do is, well, for the decoding crypto, they basically contract in myself or Collective Shift as the expert, and then, you know, they go through the contract and then there's, you know, sort of remuneration and how that works. And, you know, it was a bit of back and forth with legals. Like, it's a. It's a fair bit of stuff to get that done and signed. But once it is, basically, you know, Nova has all the distribution rights, they own all the media. Anything I say do whatever. They own everything. And then from a Collective Shift standpoint, like, the value for us is. Is more of the distribution. So it's being able to be on Nova, being able to talk about crypto. Basic crypto users is our demographic. Like, that's what we do at Collective Shift, we're trying to teach people on board. So it's a great opportunity for us to get in front of a new audience. And then they will handle a lot of the social media and marketing. So they're doing. Can be doing paid advertising, they're doing PR that, you know, there's a lot of stuff that they're doing. All the grunt work. I've basically just got to show up three days a week for 10, 15 minutes to do a recording, and they handle the rest. So it's a pretty cool. Pretty cool setup.

That's awesome, man. I really like that because it's light touch on your end. They handle all the kind of, you know, distribution and marketing and everything. But I think where they've been really smart is they're not like, you can only do this. You can't talk about the other things you got going on in your life. You can't talk about Collective Shift. It's cross promotion. And what that enables them to do is get the best people on the podcast. Because could you imagine if you've already got, like, why wouldn't you do this yourself, right? Like, you can start a YouTube channel, you can start your podcast, you own. All the upside if they're like, you can't talk about the thing that you're doing, but if you're already building that, they get access to this talent pool of the best people, bring them in, and it's just super awesome. I really like that model.

Exactly. And so from a. From a model on their standpoint, it's obviously an ad ads based platform so they'll sell advertisements on the podcast. I've got a commercials call with one of their commercial guys next week to talk through because in the, in the contract as well I sort of laid out that I needed to have.

I'm not even sure if I can say that but basically yeah, next week we'll discuss, you know, how we commercialize it, who we work with, etc.

Etc.

So that's a cool model I like. I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be fun.

That's awesome man. Nice one.

Bergs.

One of the things I struggled with last week so I'm doing my TED talk. I'm trying to, you know, write out my TEDx talk on why I should care about crypto and digital assets. It's in September, it's my first proper real like public keynote. I've got a couple in between there but that's the, that's big daddy. But I fucking hate writing and sitting there and thinking and trying to get everything out on a piece of paper and I usually. So I've got a pitch tomorrow, collective shift pitch at an investor conference. No notes, no nothing like I practiced yesterday. It's an eight minute pitch. I'm just off the cuff like, you know, I just remember, I just go with the flow. Just sort of read the room and go with us. That's my style. TEDx talk though, you have to have basically every word written out word for word. Then it needs to have a feedback, one feedback session. Then you rewrite it. Then it goes to TedX main office to get approval. They review it. If it gets approved, it comes back. Then you have to have two coaching sessions with a professional TEDx speaker. Then you've got to practice again. Then you've got to do a public zoom with the conference and do it. Feedback. Anyway, so I wrote it out and it was the fucking hardest thing I've ever done to sit there like because it's not something I can just do all at once. Like it was like two or three hours here or three hours there and the procrastination is so real, mate.

I feel you. I feel you.

It, it's something that I've gotten better over time in being able to navigate stuff that I don't want to do but this I really didn't want to do. Sit down.

What was it about the thing? Was it you had to sit down and do it or were you thinking about the whole process you had to go through was overwhelming. And you're like that.

No, it was just having to sit down and write out what the I was going to talk about for 15 minutes. You know, why you should care about crypto and digital assets. Well, me, you know, where, just where do you want to start? You know?

Yeah, that's it, right?

So it was not only. It wasn't just a task of transferring what's in my head to paper, it was like figuring out what the I was going to talk about first. Listening and watching other TED talks, trying to not make it, you know, listening that most crypto talks there wasn't TEDx to make sure I wasn't like talking and repeating stuff that other people have said. Doing research again back in like, what are the most important. If I've got 12 minutes, what is the most important to communicate? You know, is it blockchain? Is it the. Is it is inflation? Is it the decentralized nature? Is it the limited Supply? Is it NFTs? Is it, is it digital assets? Is it tokenization? Is it like, oh my God, you.

Know, it's overwhelming, right? And then like, what's the value proposition for the audience? Like, what is the hook for them to go and do something? What change do you want to see in the world?

What's my action? What's my action point at the end? What do I want to close with? What do I want people to do? It's like, oh my God, man, this, this is.

Yeah, that's crazy. I've been in those situations so many times. I actually do have a framework for this, man. So whenever I've got this thing that I don't want to do, I got three things. So it's who can I call and talk to about this, right? So it doesn't rely on me. I get to call someone. I get to basically talk it through with them and then get some more ideas. And it just gets me to the next spot because starting is the hardest thing because I feel overwhelmed. Where do I start? What I write down is going to be crap. But in reality, you just need to be starting. It's going to be. You just need to start. It's going to be crap. But then you iterate and you eventually get to a place that you're satisfied with. There's no such thing as perfection. There's only done right. That's the first thing. Who can I call? Second one is, what, what data do I need? So if I'm running something, whether it's in product or something else, what data can I get? To help inform this decision or direct me. So for you, it could be like, what are the Google trend searches? What are people looking at on our platform? What are the most questions asked? What are people saying in our discord? And then the third thing is, what experiment can I run? So with this one, you might not necessarily have an experiment, but when you're creating new things or you don't know what, which path to go down, which experiment can I run? And you could even run an experiment or ask for feedback. You could put a list in the discord. Here are the top five things I'm thinking of. Can you vote on these? Or you could release a video and see how it does. Like, those kind of things. That's probably the framework I would use for that. I love it and it has helped me quite a bit.

I love that. I love the idea of phoning in a friend because you're now having to. You can have a conversation about it and you can sort of bounce off ideas and get their input and just generally I like conversing with other people generally about different things. So probably it's an energy, you know, giver, not a drainer.

That's it. It's definitely a battery charger. And what I would do as well with that friend is like, if I've got this long path of things I need to go down, I would break that into manageable chunks and I would have them as an accountability partner, be like, every week I'm going to call you and I will need to have done this thing and then you're accountable to that person for doing that thing. And if you haven't, you're going to have to explain to them why you haven't done the thing.

I love it.

And even, like, even if it's smaller tasks, right, you can do things like habit stacking, where for me, I hate, you know, exercising, right? And so all I have to do is like, okay, if I want to go do a fun thing, like go with my mates or play pinball or do whatever, what I need to do first is I have to go and exercise before I can do that thing. So it's like a reward at the end of it and it's just, just stacking those, those habits where I start to associate it with a good thing because I don't mind working out. But I hate, like, all it is, man, is just putting your shoes on. Just put your shoes on. And for me it's walk to the garage with the weights and just getting over that hump. Once I start Working out, it's absolutely fine. I feel great. And then the next activity, I feel even better. And then the other thing is. Yeah, like I was saying before, just chunking, because a lot of the things where I don't get started is because either it's super boring or I think it's got a huge long tail, or it's just so much to do. I'm like, why am I even doing this? And if I break that into smaller chunks, you'll find once you get started, you absolutely just smash through it.

Love that. Really love that. So I want to circle this back to not just what we're talking about, the TEDx talk, but back to, I don't know, a couple episodes ago. We're talking about.

Productivity hacks and talking about social media and dopamine, all this sort of stuff. So I want to, I wanted to look back on the changes I've made in my day and where I've seen like, efficiency gains.

Let's go. I'm keen to hear this. Okay.

So one thing that I really try and control when I get up in the morning is really that mindset of like, own your day, not let the day on you. So I now generally this week have not opened emails until after lunchtime, which has been a game changer. Slack comes up first because that's like more important stuff. That's internal team. But I go straight to Asana to check on the things I need to do today. And then I generally try as much as I can to try and get into those things or at least schedule those things in my calendar for the day to know that's in my calendar. I've also generally tried to shorten the amount of things I'm trying to accomplish in a day because I felt as I was doing like five or six different things and then I open up emails, open up Slack, and it'd just be like to be like a flood. Yeah, it's like, oh, my God, stays over. So.

That has really helped. You know, being able to go into emails in the afternoon already ticking a couple of things off the to do list already knowing you got momentum in a day and then going emails and then just getting like, you know, completely hit by a, you know, a storm. But then once you're done in there is just like the idea of like right click, closing front or emails. It's just like, it's such a relieving thing. You don't have this email thing on my Mac with a little like, you know, 48 email notification. That's like, just get rid of it.

It's always reminding you you're failing, you're behind. Why aren't you inbox Zero People need you. What's going on? There could be a fire. Ben, come on, click it.

Click.

Just click me one more time, baby.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what I've been doing. So you've got a bit more. More of a mental framework. I've got a. I don't know what it is, but it's a way of me reminding myself that I'm off track. So if I find myself, like, going into Twitter or like spending too much time into emails and I'm not doing the deeper things I need to do with my fingers, I like. I like push them together like 10 times or like this, just fast. And I'm like, right, like. And I don't know what it is about it, but it's like. It's like I close everything out, I go back to my list and then I get back into it. It's like a little. It's like Ben, to be a fuck head. Get back into. You know what I mean?

It's a cue, like in Atomic Habits, right? Yeah. That's a cue to remind you. Then they hit those neural pathways going, what am I doing? I'm zombie scrolling.

Yeah, that's. That's right. I read the Atomic Habits book. That's where I remember some people, like, you know, twitch their ear or they're like, you know, rub their nose or something. It's like a way of remembering. Yeah.

Have the best one for this is Raphael Nadal. Have you seen him where he like pulls his wedgie out and then.

Yeah.

On both sides of his face with both hands.

And it does every reset, every shot.

Yeah.

Steve Smith does it. Cricket player.

Yep.

He does the pads, he does the box and he does the helmet, you know, the gloves.

And people do not be afraid of doing this. Do whatever you need to do. Like one of the top tennis players. Every, every point is pulling a wedgie out of his bum. Like, if he can do that in front of millions of people, you can do whatever you need to do just to have that mental reset. And it works because you need to be on your side. Because all those apps and all that bullshit, they're not thinking about you. They are not on your side.

Yeah.

So just, just in this similar vein, I did something drastic since I've come back from holiday and this is very hard for me. I uninstalled slack from my phone.

Wow.

I literally don't have slack. On my phone and I'm like, oh man. Like it's gonna be a disaster. People are gonna try and message me, they're not gonna be able to get me, things are gonna blow up. What if I miss a DM and I might stress in all week and guess what? Nothing happened. Nothing at all happened.

Because guess what, if the fire burns down, I'm fucking calling you. You know, like, you know that is it.

I've told everyone, right? Like I'm on. Whenever I'm on the computer, I'm on Slack. If I'm having a one or two hour break in the middle of the day, like if I need to do stuff with teams, I'll let them know or I'll just go and do it. And if something is urgent, I've told everyone, call me on my mobile. Guess what? No one ever calls because that shit ain't urgent. Like if there's a fire, they will absolutely call. If the servers have gone down or if something drastic has happened or someone's ill or whatever it may be, they will absolutely give me a call. But all of that stuff very rarely happens. But it's in my head that I need to be there. And then I'm monitoring all these Slack channels going, oh, I need to like go through all them. What if they need me? What if this happens and it perpetuates more chat and more talk and it stops other people from getting deep work done. And because I'm an executive, they put more importance in what I say, even though it might just be an off the cuff statement, a bit of, you know. But it derails them for the day as well. And so not only is it benefiting me massively, it's actually benefiting the team as well. I totally want to keep this going. I'm just going to see what happens, mate.

No, I love that. Do you have emails on your phone?

I do, but the way I do emails is I've got soft notifications so they don't show up anywhere. They just have the little dot.

Yeah.

And I'll put it on the. I put it on the second screen across.

Yeah.

So I never see email unless I go across to it.

Yeah, nice. So I've done the opposite. I have. I don't have email. I deleted the email app and I never had notifications on at all. But I was finding there was so much going on I'd be constantly checking my emails in any like minute when I was traveling or like waiting for a coffee. So I just deleted emails. Was like, that's not important. I keep slack because I tend to send a voice messages when I'm walking and it'd be more of an inconvenience if you have slack. But I don't have notifications turned on, not even the bell. I just. So like on the weekend for example, like we had a big conversation going on Friday afternoon, Friday night I was like, I need a night off. I just didn't look at it until Saturday, worked yesterday and then I could, you know, go through it on my phone or whatever. Just so you know.

You said that. Yeah, I'm actually going to get rid of my work email on my phone because I just don't need it. Like work email doesn't need to be responded to that day. It's like getting a letter in your letterbox. Right. It's not, it's not DMs, it's not direct stuff. And the people that email me are like external people anyway.

Yeah.

And if something, I always give them my phone number. If we need to be in high touch, high communication, we're working on something to a deadline, it's like just call me because I'll always pick my phone up. Otherwise there's 50 other apps you can reach me on and that's just not on because ruining my life, my productivity. And then you know, you constantly got the dinging, you start to get anxious about it, you don't sleep right. And then it fucks your life.

You're always wired. So that was the, that was the biggest trade. Like for example, I took the, you know, late afternoon off Friday, been a huge week, went out and played golf and then, then basically came home and didn't and didn't check emails or slack like all night. And that was the first time, I haven't done that a long time. And then Saturday like yesterday I worked from, what was it, 10, 10 to 2 and I bought and I did, did video, I did do some video content. I did bulk emails and bulk slack and then I cleaned out. I was inbox zero and then ready to rumble and it was a four hour period. It wasn't like, you know, constantly checking all week. I don't even reply on my phone, on my emails, I just read it. I consume and then never get. You know what I mean? So it's so much better the bulk.

Yeah, this is like what Tim Ferriss is saying in the four hour work week. Yeah, yeah, he, he was basically saying like back then email was the big thing and he said just put an autoresponder on your email Saying, I check email at 10am and 4pm if you reach me outside of these times, it's urgent, give me a call again, hardly anyone ever called him unless something blew up. And he only got. He only had to check those two times. And, man, he's. He. Here is the alpha for everyone out there. This is the biggest alpha. All right. Seriously, this is probably the best, like, happiness and productivity tip that I have. And this is for me in the middle of my day because it's now winter, so we only kind of get the hottest part of the day. Take half an hour out, go for a walk. Leave your phone behind. Don't listen to a podcast, don't listen to music. Put your bloody sunnies on. Go for a walk. Smell nature. Just be curious. Look at the trees, look at the colors. Look at the little critters running around. Look at all that stuff. And you will come back so relaxed and happy. And for me to actually do that, even when I'm not working, I'm like, well, what if someone needs me? Like, what if my wife needs me or my mom or someone else calls me? I can't leave my phone behind. I need to have that. What if Ben needs me?

And then.

That is so stupid. It is half an hour. There is nothing that I could possibly do in that half an hour. Even if I had my phone. Like, these disasters are just not going to happen. Leave your phone behind. It's super awkward. You feel naked without it. You keep tapping your pockets to see if it's there, but you don't need to be entertained all the time. You need to rest. Just get out in nature. That is just. That is my top productivity tip and relaxation tip.

Yep. Really good point. Perks. And even just going for a while. I went for a walk this morning, went out, listened to just some chill music for 20 minutes, went for a walk. Just feels so much better. Oh, you know, you've been out in fresh air. You're out in the nature. You're not just curled up inside watching TV or, you know, doing whatever you're doing on Sunday. You get out amongst it.

That's exactly it. And even if you got phone calls, don't, like, sit at your desk and do phone calls. Go for a walk and do it. Like, you're so much.

We did that the other day. That was great. Yeah, we did a phone call and I went out for a walk. It's awesome. It's a good idea.

I feel like when I'm walking and you're on the phone, we have the Best conversations and brainstorming sessions. Like my brain is on fire. I'm just so creative. Like I'm out of my work environment, my desk and my screen and all this other stuff and it's just you and me talking and it's just, it is so freeing.

Yeah, you're not distracted either. Like sitting on zoom and email might pop up or do you see Twitter or like something happens, your slack's going off. You know when you're out walking, you just seem to be, it seems to be flowing apart from that hill when I'm walking up because I'm sweating and puffing up. You can't barely talk.

You're hopping about, mate. It's so good, so good. Just hopping into the bike. I'm like, oh, what's this lad doing?

And even like at work, like a lot of people do walking meetings and it is amazing what happens when you get out of those stuffy meeting rooms with oddly bright lighting and no windows and you take that person out of your work environment and you walk around like your building or through the city, you just instantly, instantly relax. Or you go to the coffee, you go to the coffee shop and you talk to someone, it's completely different. Like they don't have those artifacts they're looking at, like the desks and the people and all the bad memories from work that influences their decisions in the way that they talk, they relax. Or if you go to the with them for a beer on a Friday, like just get amongst it, get out and do these things. Get up, exercise, move your body. It's amazing. You'll feel so much better for it.

Bergs, what motivates you?

Oh hell, here we go, mate.

We just went from, we just went from second gear to six I think. I don't give a. What motivates you?

Let's go with work first. What motivates me is I like.

Building cool with cool people. I like.

Motivating. What I actually like. What motivates me is motivating and inspiring other people. Right. So I really enjoy building high performing teams and that takes a long time. But to really get to know those people, what motivates them, what they're good at and then aligning their goals with the goals of the company. And then over time these people just get better and better, they get more efficient and you kind of push them about 10% beyond the things they think they can do. And in, you know, three months or six months, you look back and you're like, holy, they've come so far. They're executing at a really high level, like those kind of things, like working with other humans and then fulfilling their potential, but at the same time fulfilling the company's goals and building things and succeeding and winning. That is what I love to do and that's incredibly motivating for me. What about you, lad? What motivates you?

Well said. I probably put you on the spot there too. You had no time to prepare. I just, I just threw that.

Yeah, that's just off the dome, mate.

Mine is. I think it's making other people happy. So not necessarily about. Yours was. Yours was getting the best out of people or getting more out of them than what they probably thought possible. Mine is just genuinely doing shit that people enjoy or being able to have a role in generating that happiness. So, for example, I'm so pumped. We're going to Sydney this afternoon and We've got the Web3 happy hour tomorrow. Tomorrow night there's gonna be 150 people in there. An event that we're hosting. There's gonna be buzzed around there. Everyone's gonna have a great time. There's gonna be, there's gonna be networking. It's gonna be fucking awesome. That I love, like, that's awesome. You know, I get to go with Shane and Matt. We're gonna have a great couple of days. We've dinner tonight. Just gonna be good fun. And that's something we've been able to influence through the business. And that's, that's, that's what I get off on. That's fucking great. I love that. Yeah. And then from the product side as well, like, that's the members, like, if we make them happy or someone watches our YouTube, our podcast and they find it valuable and they, they, you know, someone commented the other day something about, you know, the Vegas experience and someone else, you know, had been through that and that the ability to create those connections and have this experience through delivering something. He's cool. That's what I love.

That's. I reckon I'd be the same as well with like how I was saying about people, you know, finding out what they're good at and what they like to do. So things around like role clarity and role perceptions and then them enjoying coming to work and having a good time and being able to be used at their highest utility in the area that they enjoy. And you're spot on with helping others. As you were talking, like the stuff I used to like in my old job was literally the most basic thing, like walking around like the clinics and wards and, and Helping people with basic computer stuff, like how do I do this email thing or how do I automate this task or I can't use this browser, but it's like something you can do in a couple of minutes and you've helped another person and it just makes you feel so good. Like this is one of the keys to happiness, is just helping other people and sharing in that. It's not always focusing on your own happiness. And what do I get? Like, I get the most joy out of helping other people.

I think we're very still on that. On that perspective.

Awesome.

Okay, that was good question.

You got a big question next. I'll let you call this one out. And I'm like, oh, I looked at this in the prep and I'm like, mate, we're going, we're going big this week.

We're going real. We're going real big. Do you have any idols or people you want to be? And that is relatively broad. But the reason I bring that up is I was listening to a podcast the other day about that we interviewing films and then my first million hour interviewing old mate from the remote. The Nomad list or the Nomad. Oh yeah, I listen to that sick episode and they ask, this guy is basically, he runs a $2 million a year business, has like three employees, 70 profit margin. Like he's making bank. And he just does not give a fuck about anyone.

Like, he's highly automated.

Yep, yep. Just wants to live. And just no one, you know, don't talk to me. Basically he's got all these inboxes off. He's like, I want to live my life, do the things I want to do. And you know, that's live my best life.

Pretty execute. Pretty much executed on the four hour workweek by Tim Ferriss.

Yeah, exactly. And they asked him, you know, who do you look up to? Like, is there someone that you model yourself off or you want to be or whatever? And he found it difficult to answer. And it sort of prompted me to think about like, is there someone I.

You know, am motivated by or like, you know, idolized by or, you know, something like that? So I wanted to bring it up and see and I'll give my answer. But I wanted to ask you, is there someone that you follow or you idolize in life, business, whatever?

Okay. Idolize. No, absolutely not. So I'm a firm believer in. Yeah, they say like never meet your heroes. And there's, there's a very like interesting part to this where there's a brilliant quote and it's comparison is the thief of joy. And if I found myself doing this quite a lot, where I'll compare myself to someone else, like, maybe one of my mates, and I'll be like, oh, they've got this big job, they've got all this money, they've got stock options, you know, they're the man. They got this big title, like, what am I doing? And the reality is. Or I'll see something on social media, they post something, going on, this big holiday, all this sort of shit. The reality is you can't just choose that one aspect of their life, the one thing they're good at. You have to take their entire life, right, because they've sacrificed in other areas to be able to be good at those parts. And if I always ask myself, I'm like, do I want their entire life? And the answer is always, no, absolutely not. I do not want to live like this person. I don't want to have the worries and problems that they have. I will always choose my own life. So I would probably reframe this question to, you know, is there anyone you would like to meet? Right, so, okay, are we going to limit this to only people that are alive or people that you could meet from, like, history?

No, Any. All time. Doesn't matter.

All the time, all that. All right, we're going back in time then, son. And I'll do one that's alive as well. Okay, so if I could meet someone from history, it would be someone like Marcus Aurelius. Where. Have you read Meditations?

No.

Oh, lad, get amongst it. It's like one of the best, best books in the world. Okay, so he's like. He was literally like, I'm probably going to get this wrong, but you get the gist of it. Like, leading the Roman Empire, most powerful man in the world. And he wrote down these kind of notes to himself and it was basically around, like, how to live your life, how to deal with other people, all this stuff. And you read it and the quotes are just still. So it's being translated through the generations, but it's still so relevant today. The same problems that we go through every day. And he was the most powerful man in the world, and he's still like, you know, a philosopher and going through all these kind of things and like, to. There's like a million quotes in there, but there's one I've got written on the board behind me, and this is a mash of two people's quotes, including his. But this is just think about what you have been Putting off dead time is revived when we use it as an opportunity to do what we've long needed to do. Remember how long you have been putting this off? How many times you have been given a period of grace by the gods and not used it. If you do not use it to clear away your clouds, it will be gone and you will be gone and the opportunity will not return. And it's like hell, man. Like that is so deep. I could think about that for the rest of my life. But this kind of ties back to like procrastination and it's like if you do those hard things, you'll get so much satisfaction from it. And think about the gifts you've been given. You're alive, you're giving today. You can do those things today. You have all your arms, your sight, all your mental faculties. Why are you delaying those things? How many days do you really think you will have? And what are you really delaying? Like you're delaying the time between now and where you want to be. Why do that? So Marcus Aurelius. Oh, and then like, yeah, go on.

That's deep, man. I'm just googling. Get that audible book.

Oh, mate, get, get amongst it. Seriously, like. Well, what, what we'll do is we'll put like a link to the books in like the, the show notes. Another one, I'm gonna sneak another one here from the past would be someone like Seneca. So, you know, Greek philosopher. I would just want to talk to them and be like, lad, what was life like back in the day? And like even one of his books, I think it's the Shortness of Time and really it's like a 20 page book. And it's hilarious because he's written it really short as well. I think I gave you a copy of this. And the gist of it is, you know, it's not that you don't have enough time in your life, it's that you waste so much of it. And it's about prioritizing on the things that you want to do. What you don't do determines what you can do, which is like a massive key. And there's one part in the book I still remember today where he's like, if someone came to your house and they're knocking on your door and they're like, I'm going to take your house and all your possessions, you would fight, you would beat the out of them. You grab your baseball bat or your gun or whatever and you would fight them off. Get. People come to you every day and they're like, oh, can I have some of your time? Or can we just have a coffee or can I discuss this with you? I'd like to talk about this opportunity. And we always say yes. And time is your most valuable, non renewable resource. You need to protect that more than you protect your house and your assets and everything else that you can rebuild over time. So I would love to talk to him.

Man, that's good. I love that. I. I don't think we say no enough. I think we live in no and we're afraid to.

We're afraid of offending people. Why? Yeah, we need to be more respectful of our time.

Yeah. And yeah.

Oh, man. I know I've had two bites of cherry, but I'm going back for a third. So this is. I'm af, man. I'm amped. Okay. So. So someone that is living today, who I'd want to talk with, not idolize or anything, would be Naval Ravikant. So you've read the Naval Manak, right?

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Yeah. So this Naval. For those who don't know, he's kind of. He was a super big book nerd. He's invested in a lot of startups, had his own startups, made a lot of money. And he's also a kind of really philosophical guy. He reads a lot of philosophy. He's a very calm guy. And basically he's been on, you know, Joe Rogan, Tim Ferriss podcast. He's a good mate of Tim Ferriss and this guy, I think it's Tom Jorkson, he wrote, he basically got all these, all the podcasts, put it into a book and it was just phenomenal. Right. And he gave the book away for free or if you want a physical copy, you got to kind of buy it. But the reason I talked to him is just for his outlook on life. And he's got two quotes that literally changed my life. And really these are just modern takes of what Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. And everyone was saying the first one is, happiness is a choice that you make and a skill you develop. And that just blew my mind. And he talks like at length about this, but just having that, like you can just choose now, like, bang. I want to be happy. And you can be happy if you want to. Right. It is absolutely a state of mind. But then it's a choice you make in a skill you develop. You have to work on it over time. If you're not happy, that's okay. It's not. Something's wrong. It's just something you can work on. And that one absolutely blew my mind. And then that one coupled with desire is a contract you make with yourself to be unhappy until you get what you want.

And I was like, that's a good one.

Yeah, that was so good. And this is what they all say. Like even Seneca talks about it. Like some person is like moving to the throng of clients or their boss or whatever and you know, they're constantly being like jerked around and thrown in many kind of directions and answering to someone else. And in reality you get to make a choice every day. And the cost of something is how much life do I want to give up for this thing? That is the absolute cost of everything. So if I desire a new car, let's say I want a Tesla $60,000 car, what do I have to give up in order to get that? And is it worth it? And I'm probably going to be unhappy because I'll have to do a lot of work and things I don't like to do in order to get that. And is it worth getting that possession or what's the opportunity cost of spending time with my family or, you know, exercising them, walking through nature, whatever it may be.

So there we go. Bit of, bit of rant on philosophy.

Nailed that. I don't think I can follow up that, but I would, I would.

I want to know yours. I want to know your, your idol or someone you would like to meet and talk to. Man.

Okay, so quickly. The Navalnamac, was it Naval Navak Almanac of Naval Ravika. Yeah, that book is. That's a great book. I highly recommend anyone getting that book.

Yeah, he talks not only about philosophy, but how to get rich without getting lucky and like a few other things as well. It's kind of like, man, I read that book and you just read it and you've read one or two pages and you instantly relax. Like it gives you so much perspective. Even doing long term things with long term people and how skills decay and integrity compounds. Like just giving you these mental frameworks of how to think instead of, you know, instant gratification and apps and it really calms you down. It's awesome.

Okay, so I don't have someone I look up to or have an idol. Like I've never really thought about that. And the fact I have to really think to think about someone is that's the evidence that they're just literally nobody. For me, I think it's. I love learning from other people and like multiple people to create my own Path, not one person. So whether it be talking to you or, like, you know, catching up with my EO buddies, my entrepreneur friends or investors or friends here in Tassie, or people traveling and, like, just getting bits and pieces and just being generally curious to shape what I want to do. Because I think at the end of the day, the thing that probably is the most important to me and what I realized probably more than ever the last two or three years, is I just fucking want to do what I want to do. That's the most important thing. I don't want to do stuff I don't want to do. You know what I mean?

Be the best band you can be.

Exactly. Obviously, there's going to be shit that you don't want, you know, don't want to have to do. But for me, like, over the next 12 months, I just really want to travel. I just want to work and travel, like, work remote. I'm still young, in my 20s, you know, don't have a partner, don't have family, kids. Well, family. But, you know, I mean, I'm not tied down. I don't have any things I need to be tied down to right now. And I'm like, well, I want to travel, so I'm gonna fucking travel. Like, that's. That's the most important thing to me right now.

Start living. Yeah. Get a monster. Why not? You've got. And you positioned yourself that way. Like, you've got a digital business where you can work remotely. You're the CEO, so you can set that tone and you can choose the life that you want.

And that all that obviously wasn't always like that. You know, sitting back probably three to five years ago, I had an idea, a dream or, you know, a goal. That's what I wanted to do. But it's not always reality that you can do that. I'm pretty lucky to be able to do it now, but it's definitely a journey to be able to get there. So, yeah, really grateful for that front in terms of wanting to meet someone. Jeff Bezos, for me, is someone that sticks out. Either Jeff Bezos or Brian Armstrong. Brian Armstrong in the crypto. He's the CEO of Coinbase, the first IPO crypto company. And just not necessarily because he's in crypto, but this guy was just an absolute champion. Listening to his story of, like, when he started a company in, like, the. I don't know when it was 2012, 2014, really early days, when Bitcoin, like, wasn't even a thing back then. And he's built this company off the back of his own, like, wallet. He went through the most treacherous bear markets. At any point, he could have given up to seeing the old Coinbase Wallet look like it just a, you know, look like a typewriter just stuck at it for like 10 years. Ups, downs, left, right, sideways, and built this amazing, like, valuable company that helps millions of millions of people across the world. Like, that is. That is ballsy. He's gone all in. He has so much conviction and he just grinded and grind it and grind it and grind it and then build this amazing thing.

And he's still passionate about it. Like, even the way he steers the company and leads the internal stuff. And mate, was it them that offered. Was it them that offered redundancies that if people didn't want to get in line with the company? I think talking politics at work or something, I might be conflating. Was that.

Yeah, no, no, yeah. It was like there was a big pollution. We're political. It's like, cool, no worries. But this is the direction we're going. And if you're not, you know, we're not here to talk politics, basically. We're here to build an amazing company that helps people in crypto. This isn't a political party. If you don't agree with that, I'm going to give you X amount of month severance and, you know, good luck.

It was a generous severance and that was just such a good signal to the company saying, hey, if you guys don't want to be here and this is the way we want to operate, that's okay. You guys have worked with us. We'll be generous, you know, we'll help you get your next job. We'll give you X amount of severance. But this is. This is the company line. These are the things we want to achieve and these are the expectations. I thought that was really, really awesome. You don't really see that a lot in tech.

I love that. Absolutely love it.

Yeah.

The other one is Jeff Bezos, just from a business strategy Terminator, to sit in a room for an hour and have dinner and just slam him with questions would be unbelievable. Just to think. Just to understand how he thinks and understand the decisions he made on his journey and when he came up with those decisions and what vision he had and how that changed and how he thinks about business and value and, like, it'd just be such an incredible conversation.

I think, mate, first off, both of these guys, they're very, very jacked and very bald. So you've got to get in line, mate. And honestly, I reckon we. Oh, we should do like Amazon. We should pull Amazon apart as a business case. Like, seriously, one episode dedicated to Amazon, I reckon that'd be fun.

That would be sick. Episodes. Massive. Absolutely huge.

Yeah. It's such a base of a company and how they've pivoted over time, but they always had that huge vision. It was just brilliant. But start off with the easy thing with books. And like, people that bought Amazon, they bought a book company and now they've owned this, like, behemoth. Yeah, it's incredible.

Yeah.

Oh, and speaking of mentors, man, I really like your approach to mentorship where you've got different people, they'll have different experiences, you'll be able to lean on them for different things. And for those that haven't built their network yet or they don't have all these mentors, a terrific book that always helps me when I'm stuck is again, Tim Ferriss tribe of mentors. So he's got pretty much from all of his podcasts. I think he's got like a hundred people in there that have done astonishing stuff like, you know, elite athletes, Arnold Schwarzenegger, people that are like the top of their field. And he asked them certain questions and just reading that and getting a flavor for how they think or how they do certain things always motivates me and helps me get unstuck. So that's an amazing book. You don't ever read it cover to cover, so always pick it up, read like two pages on that person, put it down and get on with your day.

Love it. Moving on to the next thing on that point around people and mentors and I just awkwardly had a point. I just forgot about clarity. So anyone starting out in wanting to do anything, I. I spent a lot of money on mentors and advisors. I think it's one of the most valuable things I've ever done. So I met you, Bergs, you know, you were a consultant and an advisor to me for, you know, two or three years. I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 active, like advisors that help me on different things, whether the US scaling, expansion, marketing and growth product, business strategy, people, all sorts of different stuff. Yeah, leadership strategy. Clarity.fm is an amazing. I think it's Clarity FM. Let me just double check Clarity. Yep. Clarity C L A R I T Y Dot FM is an amazing website that provides on demand business mentorship for any problem you have. It tasks you. It. It's like, it's like a tinder for business Mentorship.

Search the problem you have and it shows you a database of people that can help you and have done exactly the problem. Most, most likely solve the problem that you have. You pay by the minute. They have different hourly rates. You pay them by the minute. You get on a phone call and they fucking answer, they solve your problem. That's what it is. And it is amazing.

That's amazing.

I've used it for the last two years and highly recommend it. So check it out.

You've held off until now to tell me about this. Like, oh, I got this secret weapon, by the way. You can't have a bitch, but all the podcast listeners can. Thanks, mate. Thanks.

I just remember, like, oh, I've actually used this thing for ages and it's the best thing ever.

So, for example, what great business I.

Ran rang up a guy the other day about raising capital in the US around business structure. I rang up a guy the other day about going to Dubai for raising money in Dubai. I've spoken to a guy about pitch decks. I've spoken to a guy about product pricing. I've spoken to a guy about. That's how I met Stuart. Now he's the ex CMO of Expedia as an advisor for us. And he and I have worked together the last year. Like, that's legit.

He's amazing.

Yeah, yeah. Could you.

Could you try to imagine this? This was like LinkedIn was like the first iteration of this. We're trying to meet those business professionals. Like, if you're in Silicon Valley, you'd meet at the cafes, you'd have that. How do you globalize that? Right? And now it's kind of like, well, yeah, but I want a shorter time cycle in that. I just want to talk to the person to ask them the thing that I need. That is insane because how would you get that knowledge otherwise? Like, you can't really Google, how do I go to Dubai and raise capital and do all this kind of stuff? Could you imagine how long it would take you to do that?

Literally, the. The question I had was, should we go to Dubai? Will they. Are they willing to invest in the crypto companies in Australia with a Delaware entity as a subsidiary of an Australian pty? Lt that's the question.

Could you imagine typing that into Google? And Google's just gone, what the. All this smoke's just coming out the servers, mate.

Google just. Google's like, get like.

Google's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, nah, we're not for you, mate. You need to go somewhere Else.

We'Re not that great.

No, no, no.

Oh, mate. All right. So speaking of idols and people you want to be. So a lot of people would like to meet Elon Musk. He's an absolute lad. He's a meme master Flex himself, king of memes. And of course, Elon, the man himself is our meme of the week. All right, here we go. So this is, this is the meme of the week, mate. All right, let's wait for this to come up.

Oh, sharing this.

If this is him on the boat.

Oh, it doesn't like me sharing my screen. So this is Elon on the boat, right?

So Elon standing there with his shirt off. He's, he's very, very pale, man. And he's very barrel chested.

Looks like a robot.

So someone tweeted, never in my life have I seen a physique like this. And someone retreat, retweeted and goes, bro, built like a deep breath.

And this is the funniest photo I have ever seen. And honestly, ladies and gentlemen. But wait, there's more. Let's go. We've got another one as well.

So this one is. Someone's literally done a sketch of Elon with this giant chest in the Tesla torso. Yeah. And the one next to it, it's literally got a tiny Elon sitting inside this big robotic body with a little steering wheel and legs. And that's why he's got the giant chest.

The Tesla torso. This is going to be the next Tesla product, guaranteed. You can now ride around in your own barrel chested Elon Musk.

And friends. There's still more.

This one's a bit spicy.

So it's the photo of Elon and it's the dentist. How white do you want your teeth? And then it says me as a picture of Elon Musk. Mate, he has not seen one drop of sunlight in a very long time. Okay? And we've all heard the stories of Elon where he works 24 7, he sleeps under his desk. He's just, he's got five or six different companies. He's going to Mars. He's fixing bloody cars. He's got a boring company. He's doing like fast travel. He's a machine.

I can't comment because I reckon I'm machine. I reckon I'm that workbergs, but that I don't have a torso.

Seriously, I was going to get you to read this out because you suffer from the same problem. I'm like, mate, just get some sun. And. And honestly, I couldn't let it slide. There is one more, and this is probably the spiciest one and it made me laugh the most. I'm going to tell my kids. This was Elon Musk. So you've got this, this white beluga whale sticking its head and chest out of the water. It's got the biggest chest you've ever seen and it's like. And it's looking very satisfied. This just honestly was the icing on the cake for me. I laughed so much. Elon Musk, you are the meme of the week.

What happened? Meme of the week. You're killing the man. I love the meme of the week.

So good, so good, mate. Oh, amazing.

Let's go into meal of the week. Let's go to me.

All right, we're going to meal of the week. You want to go first?

Oh, yeah, I'll go first.

Yeah.

My meal of the week. We have an empty bowl.

So this was, this was one of the better butter chicken.

Curry and rice meals I've had in a little while. And as you can see, I've basically cleaned up the plate then taken a photo, not the other way around. So apologies for not being able to show you the, the, the pre. Pre smash butter chicken. But I love a good butter chicken with a good bit of garlic naan bread. The rice was great. This was, this was a day old. So this was reheated. I feel as. It's always a little bit better reheated. Next day. I was from the local takeaway shop here in Las Vegas. Yeah, no, it just has time to really let the juices sit. Once again, not a, not a chicken burger, but does have chicken in it. I'm gonna give this a. This was probably an 8 point. 8.3 out of 10.

Mate. That's the highest rating.

Yeah, I know.

That's your highest rating so far.

It was awesome, man. I love butter chicken, Gary.

So I went to a winery during the week, just up in the hills, a father in law's birthday and had the best meal. But I forgot to take photos, but kind of took them here and there and I'm like, oh, they're not good enough for a pot for the pod. And then you rock up with a bloody eaten bowl of like butter chicken where you're like, here are the dregs of what I ate.

So that was going to be a meal of the week, but I have chosen another one. This is my meal of the week, mate.

Oh, my God, that looks so good.

This is a cracking prawn Pizza. This is just from a pub. Yeah, lad. So this is a pub. This was shelter in Busselton. And seriously, this is phenomenal. So let me describe this. This is. Yeah, lad, a wood fired pizza. It's got the nice puffy crust on there, just slightly charred on the edges, you know, beautiful dough you bite through. And it's just got all the air bubbles. It is just phenomenal. And it's just got mozzarella and maybe a couple other cheeses. Tastes delicious. Got about 6, 000 prawns on there. Cooked perfectly.

It's a lot of prawns.

When it came out I was like, holy.

Yeah.

And it's got basil over the top and it's got this kind of, what would I call it, a paste. It's like this really spicy, beautiful paste that kind of goes with it. When it came out, it didn't have cut up chilies on it. I was like, oh, if you don't have cut up chilies, it's all over. But I ate this and it was phenomenal. It was probably the best pizza I had and I am gonna give it an absolute 10 out of 10. But dude, I would literally, this is probably a few hours from my house. I would drive to get this pizza. It was that satisfying.

We're going there. When I come to Perth. That looks.

Oh, lad. And it's beautiful. It's like right on the foreshore. It's at a. At a massive pub. The sun was shining. I had this and a beer. The beer was rubbish. They said it was a stout, but it was like a dark lager that tasted like someone poured like a. Okay, it was like nine parts lager, half a part food coloring and one part bitter. And I'm like, no, this is not what it said. This is not a stout. Like this is not good at all. It's absolute rubbish. But seriously, I would drive two hours to absolutely get this meal because it was just phenomenal, dude. Absolute 10 out of 10.

Mate, I'm hungry.

Oh, and mate, we got, we got one last question. I don't know if you're prepared for this, but I definitely am. I'm going to ask you what is the best thing that you have bought under a hundred bucks that has changed your life? If you have to think about it. I can go first.

You go first. Give me a moment.

Yep, all right. Under a hundred bucks. And this is going to sound really funny, but this has changed my life and taken away a lot of stress. It literally is in my shower. I've got a Little clock. And that's it. It costs about 10 bucks. But now in my shower, when I'm getting ready in the morning, I don't have to be like, what's the time? Am I too late? Am I too early? Because I always go over time. I'm having a good time. I'm having to think. Whereas this, I know exactly how long I have, and I can just time it to perfection, like brushing my teeth, getting ready, doing all that stuff. And it has been an absolute stress reducer and game changer for me. That is absolutely it. Okay, now do you have one or do you need some ideas, mate?

I do. I've got. I'm weighing up. I'm weighing. I've got two. I'm weighing it up.

Oh, let's hear both. Let's go.

This is. Yeah. Okay, so I went to the doctor last week around the stomach acid problems that you and I both have. And, yeah, it's. So I'd eat, like, running.

Running a crypto startup problem.

Yeah, Literally, like. Like, eating shitty foods and drinking beer and just like, feel as though I'm gonna vomit or throw up and just constantly, like, having chest reflux. I'll be like, burpee. It's just horrible. Finally went to the doctor after, like, literally been a year. Haven't gone the doctor for, like, you know, just been, like, battling on. Got to a point where I literally had, like, two, like, two schooners. I'd be. I'd be like. I was, like, trying to throw up. Went to the doctor, she was like, I know what you need. Take these pills one a day. Go to the doc, you know, go get some scans up, but take these pills one a day, come back to me. Two months, I'm three days in. I had these pills. It cost me $12, and I barely feel anything. I had a big Ultimate Burger Box from Cassie, four skewies last night, and I felt incredible on it. Change my life.

Was it like Nexium, something like that?

Not Nexium. It's like a prescription stomach acid or.

Just keep it in.

Yeah, so. So tox or something? Not sure exactly, but game changer.

Awesome.

Never getting off it.

Oh, unbelievable, mate. I. I had a similar one where.

I'm seeing, like, a range of people because it takes a while to kind of get into.

See different clinicians, and one of them was a naturopath who ordered a couple of tests but gave me this thing called GI Revive. And it's just a supplement. You put it in water, you take it in the morning, and absolute Game changer. Like don't have an upset stomach, don't have sore intestines, don't really have bloating or anything like that unless I eat really shitty food. Absolute game changer. Unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, I'll probably put that up there for me as well. Like if I had to choose one of the shower and this, I would choose that GI revive stuff. It's like 30 bucks for a month supply.

Yeah.

And it is amazing. But this, this is really interesting about like gastrointestinal health, the modern diet, how much we work, how little we sleep. It's all connected, lad.

I agree. Now the other one is.

It'S an app. It's an app.

It's probably a big cause that's changed my life, but it's fucking cool. $30 yearly subscription. It's called time shifter. When you're traveling international, you lot, you plug in the flights that you're going on three or four days ahead of time and it gives you a five day schedule, hour by hour of what you need to do to not have any jet lag.

That's amazing.

It tells you when to have coffee, when to look at the sun, when to wear sunglasses and when to not look at the sun, when to eat, when to stop drinking coffee, when to wake up and no, I got back from America vipg and I was working full days as soon as I got back. Yes, I was tired of an evening, but I traveled. Took me 32 hours to get home via Melbourne and Fiji and I had a full day's work when at the first hour I got home.

That is insane. This, this reminds me of what Tim Ferriss is like, big on sleep. And he talks to all these sleep people like Matthew Walker, and he's saying the first thing you do when you wake up is go outside, even if it's overcast, look up at the sun for two minutes and do some exercise, even if it's just like skipping. And that kind of sends signals to your brain and your body that this is the time I wake up, this is the bookmark. Sixteen hours later, I need to go to sleep. Just those little hacks add so much. Whereas you think of what we do, we wake up, we fart around, might make a coffee, you're half sleepy, your body doesn't even know it's awake.

Yeah, yeah. So that's a time shifter. It's about 30 bucks for a yearly subscription if you travel internationally.

Game changer, mate. We're gonna have the biggest show notes. We need bloody affiliate links for all this crap. That people are gonna buy mate seriously we need to make some coin off this son. This has been business smarts.

This has been some actual. I hope everyone listening has actually got some fucking value. I feel as though today was like there's some real takeaway home. There's books to read, apps to install, pills to buy.

They just got red pilled son tried all this and we'll tell you what works because we know what doesn't. Oh and I can even, I'll even tease next week. So we had something on the agenda for this week didn't get around to it. It's going to be a bit of a larger kind of segment and this is going to be how to barbecue. So I'm going to teach everyone out there how to get into proper barbecue like smoking food, smoking meats, amazing stuff for under 100 bucks with like next to no effort it's going to be super easy. I'm looking forward to putting it out there. My mates have been calling out for it. That's going to get done. I'm going to teach you mate. I might even get you to cook something.

I'm excited man. I don't know dude. My, my menu starts and ends at spaghetti bolognese when I forget the barbecue.

Oh mate we'll up your game mate. It is that easy. You can impress your friends. You gotta have gotta have something in your repertoire to cook mate.

I do get loved a good barbecue. Okay so let's lock that in for next week because we ran out of time this week. Lock that in for next week. I'm off to Sydney this afternoon. I'm going to the wholesale investor conference. This episode won't go a lot this episode go live after that event. So I'll wrap up next week. I'll let you know how it goes. Bergs, we're pitching. I'm on a panel tomorrow morning on Crypto Winter. Matt's Talking about game gamefire metaverse of an 8 minute pitch in front of investors so I'll let you know how that goes and then We've got the Web3 happy hour so can be a.

Big few days massive week. We're so much to talk about. It's gonna be awesome.

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