PoolTogether Community Podcast #40 with Mark and Dre from Quix

This is the PoolTogether Community Podcast. PoolTogether is the world's number one no-loss prize savings account. You can visit pooltogether.com to deposit. You're listening to the PoolTogether Community Podcast. I'm your host, Hot Mike, aka Tim, aka the sun is shining, the birds are singing, and it's getting cold in New York City. WTF. And I'm here with Mark and Dre from Quix. Welcome, people. Welcome.

Thanks for having us. Excited to be here. Very

excited. Thanks so much, Tim. Just love you guys in the Discord, popping in the Discord, get people coming in. We got a chat room going where people can ask questions. But really what the internet is talking about right now, what crypto Twitter is talking about, in a positive light is optimism. It's optimism. That's where the momentum is. That's where, especially for PoolTogether, that's where the deposits are coming from. So, I would love to hear the origin story for both of you on crypto. How'd you get into it? How'd you arrive at Quix? And how did Quix— well, how did Quix get started? So, origin stories for you and for the protocol.

Yeah, I can get that kicked off. So for me personally, I have been a software engineer in California for a few years and I really got crypto pilled, I guess, during the pandemic. I think of in crypto there's kind of like classes. So there's like the people who are involved in If someone says they got in like 2013, it's like maybe they're in Bitcoin and then ETH is like 2015 and ICOs are 2017. And I came in in the NFT wave in like 2021. So pretty latecomer. And I started collecting NFTs on Foundation, actually, was where I bought my first NFT. It was a one-of-one art NFT. And then, yeah, was so excited about the possibility of the technology that decided to start an NFT company in April 2021. with a friend from college. And then shortly after that, Dre joined us and we've been doing NFT stuff ever since then. Dre, you want to hop in?

Yeah, absolutely. I am also late to the game, joining in about June 2021. Funny, my background is in the music industry. Particularly on the songwriting publishing kind of producer side. My interest in crypto and NFTs were really piqued when I started to see all the applications that were coming out for the music industry. I thought it was going to be a really cool way to help put power back into the hands of creators. I loved the ideas of what were possible royalties and things like that. So what people don't know often is that before Qwiks, we were a music NFT platform, or we had a couple music NFT platforms, one of which called Fanbase, another called Music Fund. So I had jumped on the team to help with the music platforms. And if you had told me I'd be doing layer 2 marketplace solutions before I started, or even a couple months into when I started, I would've said, you're absolutely crazy. But such is how it goes in the crypto world. It's been a great ride so far. And yeah, relatively new to the game.

So why would it— why would they be crazy if somebody was telling you that? Because you thought that you were going to be music NFTs through and through, ride or die?

Exactly. Yeah. Like, I mean, the concept of a layer 2, everything— I was not like a crypto guy. You know, wasn't too intense, didn't, didn't know too much. Definitely have gotten into NFTs. I'm still a little behind the curve on DeFi, which actually PoolTogether has been an awesome intro to that for me. Shout out to you guys. Thank you very much. And yeah, Mark has generally been my Morpheus, as I like to call it. He's definitely crypto-built me and been my mentor in this space. So it's been great to learn under him. So you guys are all in great hands getting to learn from Mark because I'm fortunate I get to do it every day. But he's chock-full of great info.

So I'm a musician as well. I do like weird synthesizer stuff. I also do like silly songs for the Wossies. And with music NFTs, I think like one of the main things I want to see is not skeuomorphic music NFTs, meaning these that mimic track album traditional ways to do music. I love like stems and, and like the ability to kind of like invite other collaborators and have different derivatives. And AI music is cool. I've really been pushing on live performance. So at NFT NYC, I gave a 10-minute presentation, I created a little synth patch, and then I ran around the audience and I recorded people singing to the synth patch. And some people like even shilled their own projects and stuff. I still haven't published this NFT yet, but I like that kind of stuff. Like, what's the weird, wild, wacky stuff that probably won't take off, but how can music NFTs be that? So what are your thoughts, Dre, on music NFTs? As the current landscape exists.

First off, that's awesome. Definitely gonna need to see that link, or at least that NFT when it comes out. That sounds very, very fun. Would've loved to have been there. Yeah, I think it's funny. I'm a little removed from the space right now, so I don't know all the latest and greatest on music NFTs, but I'm personally very interested in the ways that we can capture fandom. Like, for me, at the end of the day, a lot of value in music comes down to like, I'm a music lover. And when I was, you know, in 8th grade, I would be scavenging the internet for, you know, unheard of remixes that I could go show to my friends on the bus on the way to school and like be the guy that found those. I think with streaming, we lost a lot of that. Obviously, you know, you can still claim what you found, but there's like a sense of ownership with your personal collection. Obviously with vinyls, that was a really cool thing. And we've, you know, the more access we've gotten has been, things have strayed away from that a little bit. So I would love to see a way in which fandom definitely becomes my whole, my biggest draw towards the music NFT space was making fandom reciprocal and how, you know, we do so much, we give artists so much of our time and Fans are happy to do so, but I think it's really cool the potential applications in which we can share a bit of that pie. Like I know Royal is probably one of the best examples of sharing royalties. It's funny, a lot of things sound great on paper, and then when you actually get into the distribution of if I own 0.1% of a royalty and I'm making 0.0006%, or it's 0.006 cents per stream on Spotify, then it maybe doesn't work out. You don't share as much of the pie as you think. But I also think that can be really beneficial for the music industry when people start to see maybe some of the glaring inefficiencies that are there and hopefully be able to solve some issues there. So long-winded way of saying, not entirely sure yet. I know some of the companies are doing really cool things. But yeah, I would love to see how it applies to fandom and then obviously direct solutions for some of the issues that we have.

No, I love that. And I love thinking about it as merch. Like, who are the artists that I really love and support enough to buy their merch, even like at a show or IRL? I'm always trying to connect, you know, crypto stuff with like I call it touching grass. I know touching grass is stop looking at a computer, but I also love the idea of crypto touching grass, like it actually having implications and applications for the real world. And I love that I could just walk up to a merch table of my favorite artist in a 60-person concert and get their NFT because I went to their show, something like that. That's also very powerful. But again, it's not like technically the direction that I see the majority of music NFTs going.

Right. And I think, you know, something too, I saw one time that NFTs are the new CRM. And I thought that was really cool in terms of like customer relations manager where, you know, in 20 years, if I want to know everyone that was at my show at the Staples Center, you know, in 2022, I can do that and directly give them something for being there or give them a discount on, you know, the reunion tour or something like that. And I think a lot of these applications are yet to be seen and they're limitless. I know, I mean, another thing I'll mention too is there's a lot of issues with metadata in the music industry and how if I want to collect my royalties, like Jay-Z took the hyphen out of his name and that creates an administrative nightmare for people and for the systems that are currently in place. And if you're Jay-Z, people can figure that out for you. But if you're a regular artist and you want to change your name or something like that, It becomes a total nightmare. And I'm hoping that NFTs with, with, you know, very verifiable, you know, proven transactions on a blockchain can, can help solve some of those, you know, maybe more direct issues.

We live in a hyphenless Jay-Z world now. That's just, that's news to me. My artist name is Tim, but that I is an exclamation mark because it's upside down. How clever is that? But Spotify won't let me do the exclamation mark. So I'm just Tim. on Spotify. Stream, stream me right now. But let's get back to Quix because you are doing the Lord's work, Quix. Because I talked to all of these NFT projects that are mainnet only, they're mainnet maxis. And I, as a PoolTogether BD rep, I'm like, hey, NFT community, you've got a treasury. Why don't you like delegate your prizes from those stables sitting in PoolTogether an Impulse together, delegate it to your holders, and give them instant reward for being a community member, for being a holder, for not flipping. And a lot of these mainnet projects are like, oh, Polygon, Avalanche, Optimism. No, no, no. It's got to be mainnet only. And mainnet is a little difficult because of the gas fees most of the time. But we've got this blossoming community of NFTs On Optimism. And so anyway, it's just getting NFT collectors off of mainnet onto layer 2s. How do you do that?

Yeah, I can speak to that a little bit. And actually, that was kind of one of the main reasons that we pivoted from music NFTs to layer 2s is that basically all music, a lot of them are on Polygon today because it's cheaper. And but then it like is less interoperable with the rest of the NFT ecosystem and DeFi ecosystem. So we were like, maybe before mass adoption of like really consumer-facing NFTs happens, like we need layer 2 adoption. So we've been trying to drive layer 2 adoption for mainnet collections. I think that there is, it's like totally fine to be, to wait for these networks to become Lundy because there's so many of them. So, and it's hard to differentiate Between like an Avalanche and a Polygon and an Optimism, even though they, they all have pretty different security models. What we've been focused on is first building an Optimism NFT community that stands by itself. That's like kind of because bridging things is hard and kind of because one really interesting thing actually is if Rainbow Wallet added support for Arbitrum NFTs, Optimism NFTs, and Polygon NFTs, they asked like a poll of like which community everyone liked the best. And Optimism and Arbitrum had like the best community kind of engagement on those tweets. And Polygon had the worst, even though Polygon has the most adoption. And my take is that basically these chains like each have a culture of their own, and it's really important to build that culture and that will help them like succeed in the long term. And like Polygon currently has a reputation of being like cheaper ETH kind of, which is like not a great culture. Versus like Arbitrum and Optimism, it's like more like fun and there's like a public goods message behind Optimism. So I think building a great ecosystem is step one. And then we're also working on an ERC-721 NFT bridge from mainnet to Optimism, and we're working on designing our platform to help people bridge their NFTs and like still have like a unified view of the collection if you have chosen to bridge your NFT.

So I saw a Twitter quiz, Twitter poll, That asked the question, if you bridge a punk from mainnet to Optimism, is it worth the same? What's the answer?

The answer is it is worth the same. And the reason for that is it is, if it's not worth the same, you can just bridge it back. So if you think that you're going to be able to sell it for more on mainnet, you just bridge it back. So there is today a bit of a window that you have to wait to bridge NFTs back. So the value could slightly diverge, but you can think of a punk, a truly bridged punk on Optimism as like a future on a punk on mainnet of that exact punk on mainnet. So yes is the answer.

Something I was going to add there too is a lot of the value you see on collections is kind of indicative of just the trade value in general. And something that was kind of a an unfortunate outcome of what I like to refer to as the gassening, where gas fees went crazy on layer 1, was a lot of smaller collections kind of died down in their trade volume because it just became, it wasn't worth it to trade an NFT for 0.05 ETH when gas fees are 0.1 ETH and things like that. It just wasn't making a lot of sense. So ideally, the liquidity that comes with 10-cent gas fees, uh, it's gonna help bring a lot of value back into, um, NFT collections that have lost it and, and maybe even surge, you know, some, some blue chips that we've seen.

Well, it also would encourage fractionalization, right? I mean, if you're able to take like a maybe like a lower-level blue-chip NFT, fractionalize it, you're buying, you know, 1/100th of a Doodle or something, and maybe gas costs wouldn't be ideal. But if you bridge to layer 2, I mean, oh yeah, sure, I can have a piece of this blue-chip NFT and it's at the $5, $10 level where gas makes sense on Optimism, where it wouldn't make sense elsewhere. I think that Twitter quiz, now that I'm thinking about it, there was something about, but you couldn't bridge back. It's like permanent bridging. Is that a thing?

It is not a thing for us. So on a technical level, the way the bridge that we're designing. And for people who are curious, our team is contributing this ERC-721 bridge to the Optimism codebase, and it just finished its audit with OpenZeppelin. So that was a long process, but worth it. Basically, we lock the layer 1 NFT in escrow and then mint an NFT on Optimism. And that NFT on Optimism can be passed around. And then at any point, the owner of it can burn it on Optimism and release the layer 1 NFT. So that's kind of how it works. You can imagine it as an analogy of like keys and boxes. So it's kind of like if the L1 NFT is like big and clunky, you like put it in a box, lock it, and then the key is the Optimism NFT, and you can pass around the key much more cheaply because it's less bulky. But if you're ever not confident in, if you don't want it to be on Optimism anymore, you just unlock the box and get it back,

which the NFT—

Go for it, right?

Sorry, I was going to say the NFT on Optimism is also totally identical to the NFT on Ethereum. And my understanding as well is because of Optimism's EVM equivalence, It's a pretty easy code update where let's say you have the Bored Ape dev team wants to make it so that the L2 NFTs will be compatible with their gated website or gated game or something, token-gated game or something like that. It's a pretty easy update for their devs to make it compatible with the Optimism NFTs in addition to the L1.

And something with the pool token that we're experiencing is as we have pool token on different chains, layers, then the voting is very difficult. And so specifically for NFT projects like nouns, which would be awesome if somebody bridged a noun over to Optimism, although there are derivatives, but an actual tried and true noun, then wanted to vote or wanted to participate in governance, there's also that trickiness. Is there a solution for that?

That's going to come down to, I guess, the tooling that people are using for voting. But if it's all EVM chains, which like Optimism is, and I think most people bridging like pooled together, I think it's only on EVM chains that it should be like pretty eventually pretty easy to verify your ownership across chains. But I know, for example, like Optimism Collective, the governance organization that we're a delegate of actually. So we're both a marketplace and we're also one of the top 5 largest delegates for the Optimism governance process. We do everything on Snapshot and, you know, Snapshot supports Optimism. I'll have to check to see, you know, other DAO tooling Platforms, but we've had a pretty easy time so far.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I know that PoolTogether is working on cross-chain governance solutions just because of that specific issue with us. And then also, I mean, then you go one layer deep. I want to do stuff with my pool tokens. Like, I would want to do stuff with my NFTs, like collateralization, just whatever that would then disqualify me for governance. And that's also ideally a solution. But enough about governance. Tell me about Quix. You're, you're the spot for NFTs on Optimism. Um, how's it going? What do you have planned in the future? What's going on?

Yeah, this is a, an exciting week for us in particular. Um, so this is the beginning of the Optimism Quest, which PoolTogether is participating in, right? Um, I totally— Yeah, there's like an NFT you can win for trying out PoolTogether, so definitely go get that. We're also in the month of September releasing our own NFTs to reward people in our community who have been with us through different events. And all this buzz has led this past week to like our highest volume and activity ever on the platform. So Very much like OP Summer or L2 '22, as they call it. Yeah, it's going really well for us. In terms of what we're looking forward to today, we're mostly just a secondary marketplace to trade NFTs on Optimism, but very shortly we're hoping to help L1 collections scale with our bridge, which will be deployed on Optimism mainnet. Very soon. And the idea there is that if you have an L1 NFT collection, we'll show that in your profile or like in your inventory on Quix, but we'll still keep all the activity on Optimism. So if you list it for sale, for example, you can list it for sale and without bridging it, and then someone can purchase it on Optimism and it will get bridged at the time of sale. So that way, if you're a seller of an NFT, you can sell on OpenSea, LooksRare, X2Y2, and Quix, for example, without wallets on mainnet. And then the buyers can have access to that liquidity on mainnet. So that's one product innovation that we're excited about. We're also really bullish on reputation and Like badge style NFTs, kind of like POAPs. We think that this is a breakout use case for layer 2s because you might not want to pay L1 gas fees for an NFT that might not have a lot of financial value, but a lot of NFTs are valuable even if they don't have a high floor price or don't have a floor price at all. So POAPs, you know, are an example. They don't really have a floor price or a high floor price because like they're, they're meant to say something about the holder, right? It doesn't mean a lot if I sell my POAP to someone else who wasn't at the event. So we're working on a badge launchpad and a badge rank system so you can show off all your badge-style NFTs. And when I say badge, I really just mean something that you've earned rather than purchased. So maybe you contributed to a GitHub or achieved a certain level in a video game or just came to this Discord town hall.

I'll mention one other thing too that Tim kind of briefly alluded to when you were talking about collections using their treasuries and using those for rewards is we're very much proponents of the composability aspects of Optimism. We think it's one of the coolest use cases that we'll see a lot of innovation with, and we're most excited to see really get taken advantage of moving forward. So we'd like to make the marketplace a bit more usable for collections if they want to do— I don't know if governance is exactly what we want to jump into, but they want to use their tokens, use their treasury kind of within the platform, we'd love to help in ways that make it even easier for them to do in one place. So a lot of potential things on the horizon, but we're really excited to get building.

Yeah, I love to see. So I'm thinking of kind of like the 3 pillars for Quix is like one pillar is new NFT projects on Optimism, right? So like Native Optimism NFT projects. The second one being mainnets primarily, but even anywhere else, right? It's a bridge. So, but yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but mainnet or others can bridge to Optimism. And so that's like another project or a place of growth for Quicks. And then the third column is this explorer section, which I'm looking at your volume and people are actually trading the early Optimists and the Optimistic Explorer badges. And so these are actually kind of hot stuff right now. There's like 97 ETH worth of trading on the Optimistic Explorer. So am I right in saying those are kind of like the 3 places of growth for Quicks or lines of business?

Yeah. And I can even dig into that 3rd category a little bit. We're really excited that Rabbit Hole is partnering with us to do like a Rabbit Hole Explorer NFT. And both on the Optimistic Explorer, which was a project run through the Optimism Labs, and the Rabbit Hole Explorer, you get to pick what you're interested in and mint that. And that is like kind of a form of personal expression a little bit. So one way that I see NFTs going is I want NFTs to plug into platforms so that platforms like better adapt to user needs. So on the Optimistic Explorer, you can pick from 5 categories that you're interested in. So like gaming, DeFi, governance, and public goods are some of the categories. And so if you pick the DeFi category for Alchemist Explorer. When you visit a Web3 site, it should— one cool thing about Web3 is like you connect your wallet and your stuff comes with you and your identity comes with you. You're not like a completely new person like you are in Web2. And so I hope that platforms like look at your Explorer NFTs and say, oh, like Mark likes, you know, gaming and NFTs. So we're going to show him stuff about that. Or like Mark is like very experienced or not very experienced. Maybe it's like Mark's not doing much, you know, DeFi stuff. So we're going to like recommend him some stuff. So I'm hoping like NFTs plug into like kind of all Web3 sites as a way to figure out what someone wants, basically.

So you're basically saying NFTs as cookies. We earlier before talked about NFTs as metadata. but NFTs as cookies, so to where you're like experiencing a tailored experience based on your interests for whatever, like for any dApp or for any Web3 experience. So I just bought a Motorheads Hello on Quix. User experience was—

Great choice.

Chef's kiss. It was mwah. It was so good. But there's like a cool story behind Motorheads as well. Dre, you were saying? Tell me again, this time on the record.

Right, for those who missed it. No, so the Motorheads collection is by one of the members of the Optimism team. He's an awesome graphic designer, and he was really looking to tap into the nostalgic elements of his childhood. I think he's somewhere between 20 and 30, so we share— we're in the same age range and played Game Boy growing up. And so yeah, he wanted to tap into that with kind of the design. And then he's very inspired by the Frank Ocean alternative album cover or alternate album cover for the Blonde album, which is like, I believe, Frank with like this really cool motorcycle helmet on there. And then also Daft Punk as well. So all these, those kind of like cool helmet-looking things that he tapped into. So Just a cool collection with a cool, fun backstory, I thought. And the art was awesome too. So it all came together and it was cool to see. It was just another example of how it is still a relatively young ecosystem, but the more collections we see kind of start to prove it more. And seeing that art collections can still gain traction even though they're on Optimism or on layer 2. with, with no attached utility, but people just like to trade and collect them, uh, was awesome to see. So yeah, that's, that's the, the backstory as far as I know in terms of Motorheads. But yeah, really cool collection.

Now I want, like, I don't even have a motorcycle, but I want the helmet that I have now. That would be like so sick to have.

Right. I want the, uh, the sunglasses that my Optipunk has too, but I don't know if I could wear those in public, get made fun of.

Oh, now I need to get an Optipunk. Geez, you're just roping me in here. I love it.

Slippery slope.

Yeah, it is. Optimism and NFTs, I love it. I don't really have— my NFTs that I have are play-to-earn on Polygon, basically. I've created a bunch of music NFTs on Polygon, but for a mainnet NFT community, that was kind of like, do I even have a Polygon wallet? And then my main NFTs are on mainnet still. I do have some on Arbitrum, and now I'm getting some on Optimism. I'm excited about that. Also, we got to announce that at least like a little bit of alpha is that PoolTogether and Quix are going to do a little, a little campaign together, a little, a little, you know, NFT claimable thing when you use PoolTogether. So we don't have an official launch date right now, but I don't think we do. But it's soon TM.

Yes, SoonTM. And to jump into that pillar of badges and claimable NFTs, I think it's going to be really cool to have a killer lineup of companies doing their claimable badges on Optimism here. So super excited to have Pooly users be able to jump on and claim an NFT. And fingers crossed, something, you know, there may be some utility in there too. I'm not, you know, This is unconfirmed alpha. I'm purely speculating here. So yeah, really excited to work with you guys on that and get your users some NFTs on Optimism because it's one of those things too where until you've claimed an NFT on Optimism or bought your first NFT or sold your first NFT where you go and you click on your MetaMask and you see the 0.000005 gas fee on there, that you don't really feel how cool it is, similar to like getting your first NFT in general. I remember I didn't really get it until I owned my first NFT in my wallet and I could see it. It's a really cool feeling to make that first jump to Optimism. So if PoolTogether can help people do that, you know, we're super excited for what that means.

And I wonder if you guys can help me with this because we're doing these campaigns that are quests. You mentioned Rabbit Hole. We're doing one currently with Project— or with Galaxy and Optimism. Which we had mentioned earlier. And, you know, we'll have a requirement where it's like deposit $20 and then claim your NFT. And we're seeing a lot of people will just deposit, grab the NFT, and, and, you know, withdraw again, you know, which is still good because they've experienced the ease of use of PoolTogether on Optimism. Like, you just see the speed, the cheapness of it. and you can get your money right back right there. There's no punishment, there's no staking, there's no fee that, you know, there's, it's no loss. It truly is no loss. But we're trying to think of ways to keep, like, how do you get those people to deposit and then keep it there for a while just to like experience winning prizes on Optimism, but also other airdrops or things that could happen. And so that's an encouragement to you podcast listener. If you're claiming these Optimism NFTs with PoolTogether and Galaxy or with PoolTogether and Quicks, you want to hold on to those NFTs, but then you also want to stay deposited to experience the fullness of that NFT. And then hopefully, it's like a cookie and then another little cookie, but then you get to experience the community that is PoolTogether. And that's the real cookie. Just like I would assume, like with Quicks, how does one get involved in the Quicks community? What's the Web3? It's all about community. You got to have community. So what's the easiest way to get involved with Quicks?

Well, Oh yeah, go ahead, Mark.

Yeah, well, I had another— well, everyone here, if you're able to claim the Optimistic Explorer NFT, so if you go to Optimism onboarding, you can claim an NFT there. And then I'm just going to say Twitter and Discord, or you can buy an NFT and join one of the communities. And one thing is that NFTs in Optimism are at a much lower price point than you're going to find on mainnet Ethereum. So you can join like the Motorheads community for like $15. I don't know, Dre.

Yeah, I was also going to mention our physical newsletter that we send out once a month. Just kidding. We don't do that. Just, yeah, Twitter and Discord. We

need your mailing address.

If you did that, could you imagine?

That's what Web4 is.

But you have to subscribe via post as well. So you have to mail, send a letter to our PO box.

Maybe we will do that. But yeah, I was going to mention a bunch of things there, one of which is like our OP OG series, which we've called a nonfungible token of appreciation for our community. We're going to continue to make these. They've been really cool so far and a really big hit amongst our community. So yeah, as long as you're involved and making things happen, And staying around, we'll continue to release those, which we'll see what that turns into, but absolutely have further plans to do that. And then, yeah, Tim, you kind of alluded to it, but my biggest job as BD rep over here too is to improve the ecosystem and to relate it to music again. You had your favorite artists, but at the end of the day, you love their music and you keep coming back because you can sit with your headphones in and just enjoy the music that's there or the communities that are there too around them. But you really just enjoy the experience that is consuming that artist and consuming that music. So I've tried to translate that to where, or help to foster, and ultimately it does boil down to the collections and the communities, and they've done an incredible job of fostering just Absolutely incredible ecosystem here already. But yeah, where we can, we're just trying to improve the experience on our marketplace for NFT communities and collections in general, where when you try it out, you're going to have a lot of— sorry, when you try it out and you claim your first NFT, you're going to have a lot of places to look and communities to join and things to check out where then you go, all right, the value is not just in the trading, it's not just in the floor pumping and Although we are believers that the best play-to-earn game ever created was just trading itself. Mark coined that term. However, the value will be in the communities and in the collections, and you'll have a lot to do on chain here. So, yeah, long-winded way of saying just trying to develop as much fun of an experience as we can.

Okay. Favorite NFT project. You have to pick one. Go.

Oh, man.

I mean, you have to give me a sec.

Well, I obviously like the Cryptovania community. I'm a wizard in my profile picture here. I also love Boardtown, which is a bunch of animal ghosts from our Thai community on Optimism.

This is hard. How do you pick a favorite child? There's actually this Solana NFT that— I'm just kidding. No, first, Gun to my head, if I have to pick, I love the Dragonia collection. They were kind of like the first sort of functioning on-chain game we had seen from the Optimism community. It's sort of like a rock-paper-scissors where you have your dragon trainer, they are of a certain element, and then you have certain dragons in your deck of water, earth, and fire, and you kind of play one against another. another dragon that you're playing against. And then, you know, you earn experience points on-chain as a result. And then those are turned into season rewards and they're doing multiple seasons. So yes, my vote's going to go with Dragonia right now. I love, love the vibe they've got there and their team has built something pretty cool that you can use today.

That's so good. I— this art on the Bored Town is so nice. It's really cool. Anyways, I'm pulling up all those Great. So, uh, we're gonna wrap up here, but I want to know anything that we have not addressed yet that we should. You get final word. Quick smash.

Get ready for L2 '22 and scaling NFTs and, uh, everyone goes— is it staking on PoolTogether? Is that the term? Or pooling?

It's savings. Yeah, you're just save— you save and you win. So savings account.

You save. So save on PoolTogether and then get the PoolTogether NFT on Quix. And also, if you're a developer, consider building experiences on top of these badges and explore NFTs. So if you're a developer, make something with the PoolTogether Quest NFTs.

Love it.

Yeah, just, you know, if you're interested in staying up to date, join our Discord and follow us on Twitter. Yeah, a lot of really cool things in the works from the bridge to the PoolTogether NFTs. So Please come join us on spreading the good word of Optimism and optimistic NFTs here. So thanks so much for getting us on, and what a great time.

And I've got a little bit of alpha for you, oh, PoolTogether community podcast listener and PoolTogether depositor. You can just swing those prizes that you're winning on Optimism right into Quix and buy some NFTs. Get a little NFT money in your pocket, in your wallet. Well, thanks so much, Dre. Thanks so much, Mark, for being on the pod. It's been awesome. And, uh, we'll, we'll keep talking, we'll keep, uh, schmoozing and see what else we can come up with. Thanks so much.

It's been awesome.

Beautiful. Thank you. Take care.

Thanks for listening to the PoolTogether Community Podcast. You can visit pooltogether.com to deposit, and we'd love to hear what you thought about today's episode. So visit the PoolTogether Discord And let us know.