53: Building a Strong Foundation: Nurturing a Marriage and a Business

Oftentimes, when you want to see a change, you almost have to start acting like the change has already happened in order for that person to feel like there's been space made to step into that new role.

I'm Bonnie Christine, and this is where all things creativity, design, business and marketing unite. I'm a mama living in a tiny town tucked right inside the Smoky Mountains, running a multi seven figure business, doing the most creative and impactful work of my life. But when I first set out to become an entrepreneur, I was struggling to make ends meet and wrestling with how to accomplish my biggest dream of becoming a fabric designer. Fast forward to today. I'm not only licensing my artwork all over the world, but also teaching others how to design their creative life and experience the same success. I'm here to help you spend your life doing something that lights you up. I'll help you build a creative business that also creates an impact, changes people's lives, gives you all of the freedom you want, and is wildly profitable. Welcome to the Professional Creative Podcast.

Hello and welcome to this very special episode. Today I am joined by a special guest that I'm so excited to introduce to you. Please meet my husband, David.

Hey, everybody.

David's making his debut on the podcast and the reason why we're doing this is because right now we are sitting in Utah on a very special trip. Do you want to tell everybody what we're doing this week?

Yes. We're spending a full week in the desert of Utah and it is beautiful. The weather has been phenomenal. We've had a good week so far.

And why are we doing it?

Because it's our 15 year anniversary.

We are celebrating 15 years married, but actually 20 together because we met and started dating in David's last year of high school. So we've been together for 20 years. And, you know, there are several things that we do that we've kind of recognized in our marriage that maybe everybody doesn't do. And we think that it's kind of been beneficial for our marriage and how close we are today and how good of a relationship we have today and how good of a relationship we. We have with our kids.

Yes. So we are technically high school sweethearts. Bonnie and I dated my very last week of high school. She was a year behind me, which ever since then, it has been nothing but bliss.

Nothing but bullets.

No. Yeah, we have, we have been very blessed with 20 wonderful years together and a lot of good lessons learned. And so hopefully we can share some of those with anyone who is interested in listening.

So Today we're going to share with you eight things we've come up. We've identified eight different things that we really do and talk about often and practice in our marriage. And then two things that we are currently working on, because, as you know, every marriage is not perfect. I don't think any marriage is perfect. And at the end of today's episode, we have some very special, special questions submitted by you, our listeners, that David is going to answer. And so we're just going to dive right on in. The first one that David and I are passionate about are touch points. So we like to have very. We like to be very intentional about having a couple of touch points with each other every day. And these are really things that we consider to just be like our common denominator, things that we do that we have in common with each other. Because I think it's really easy for people, as you grow in your relationship, to just kind of live in different worlds. And so we're intentional about having a couple of things that we do together. So for us, it's a workout in the morning and usually a TV show in the evening. Which one do you want to talk about?

Yeah, so we haven't always had these two things in common. I have certainly noticed that since we started going to the same gym and now even the same time slot that we work out every day together, it's made a huge difference in kind of our camaraderie, as, you know, dreading the workout, talking about how horrible the workout was, you know, kind of the talking

about it the night before, like, what are we gonna do the next day?

Commiserate together? Been great for our relationship as a whole. And the TV show thing, it has kind of given us common ground between our two different worlds that we live in during the day. Those are both good touch points, if you will, that we get to share in common. And they also happen to be the workout at the beginning of the day and the TV show at the end of the day. So the spacing is good, too.

And I think the point here is that it doesn't have to be these two things. It could be anything, but it's intentional. So if you're. If you like to read books, maybe you and your husband read the same book together. You know, anything, like maybe you take a walk together or something. But that commonality, those common interests have been a game changer for us. And, yeah, we haven't always watched tv, but now we do one episode a night, just one. Let's be careful not to Stay up late because we. We prioritize sleep as well. So we'd watch one episode a night. And in the last year and a half, we've gone through several shows. We've finished Outlander, We've done Game of Thrones.

I'm surprised if Bonnie made it through.

We've done peaky blinders, Yellowstone, 1923. So many. And it's so fun to talk about them during the day. So find something that you can just intentionally use as a common touch point between each other.

Yes. And don't force one another to watch something they don't want to watch. We both have shows that we would love to watch because we don't watch a lot of tv.

Yes. We have our own shows that we would never make each other watch. Which brings me to our second one, which is to just show interest, genuine interest in each other's worlds. And so I actually think, like, the most romantic thing that David could ever do is ask me about the book I'm reading and, you know, ask me about what's going on. You know, he'll listen to me talk about, you know, the emails that are going out or what's happening with the podcast or what's happening with our team or the fabric collection that I'm designing. And similarly, I reciprocate that. And again, this is not something that comes supernatural for me. I don't know if it does for you, but I have to really stop and. And intentionally dive into his world because I. Even though the thing that you're asking about may not be of interest to you, the person is of interest to you. Right. And so anything that you're interested in, David, I want to know about. I want to be a part of your world genuinely. So how does that play out for you?

Right. So again, we. We have sort of different worlds that we find ourselves in, taking the time to hear the other person's day, how it went, why they did some of the things that they did, why they enjoy doing some of the things that they enjoy doing. You know, for me, it's like, you know, if I go fishing or something, Bonnie will ask me intentionally how it went. You're here about the day. Even though I know that she doesn't really, you know, care too much about, you know, how many fish I caught or didn't catch or whatever it may be.

Okay, so the next one is something that actually heard a long time ago and so long ago that I can't even cite the study, but I remember the study that came out around happy marriages that had been married for 50 plus years. And they were asking them, like, what's the key? What is the one? If you could, if you could say one thing, what would it come down to for the key to a long, happy marriage? And the common denominator was respect. And so I loved this so much because I think that we've always respected each other, but since we kind of learned about that study, we've been a little bit more intentional about what that looks like. And I think that at the end of the day, as long as you have a full heart of respect for each other, you can absolutely navigate anything. You can discuss anything, you can disagree about something if you need to. But that respect is always there and that has been really meaningful for us.

Yeah, I think that respect is more subtle than most people realize, and especially if you think about marriage as such a long investment.

So, David, what does this look like actually in our day to day? Like, what would be an example of how we treat. Truly respect each other?

Yeah. So one thing that we're very intentional with is not talking negatively about each other when we're apart. So a lot of guys and girls the same when they get together, you know, it's light hearted, seemingly light hearted. They, you know, rag on each other's husbands and kind of make jokes and make light of some of their things that they do, flaws, maybe in reality that's belittling them. And I don't think that that's something that's very healthy in the long run. Those, those little jabs here and there come back and they also internalize that. When you're saying something negative about your partner, that stays with you. So that kind of maintains that idea that this person does that and all of a sudden that can grow into something that isn't necessarily there. But the respect part is also just making sure that other people recognize that you respect your spouse enough not to engage in those kinds of conversations.

You will truly never catch me or David talking bad about each other behind each other's back to anyone. And so much so that you actually won't find us hanging out with anybody else who does. But we're going to come back to that in a little bit. But I think that something that we could talk about here is I know that there are people out there that just feel like maybe their partner hasn't earned the respect. You know, maybe they don't trust who they're with or are struggling with even having respect based on the decisions that are made. And something else that I learned a Long time ago was that oftentimes when you want to see a change, you almost have to start acting like the change has already happened in order for that person to feel like there's been space made to step into that new role. And so oftentimes it can kind of be like, well, who's going to take the first step? And maybe if you start showing more respect, they can start earning more respect. Because it does come down to you earning it. Because I trust you. You've built trust over the years. I trust that you're well researched and the decisions that you make. You know, we don't have to ask each other permission for a lot of things because we just respect and trust each other so much. But that's a built in that's been built over many years.

I've heard it said many times that you cannot change someone else, you can only change yourself. And I think that that's what they mean by that, is that you can help that person to change by starting to trust them. It sounds a little backwards, but basically opening that space like you said, for them to move into accepting that everyone is going to make mistakes, but they're not defined by those mistakes.

Okay, the next one I've kind of titled Parent as one. So David and I have two smallish kids, they're nine and seven. And so this one we have kind of learned the hard way, meaning there's been a couple of times where let's say this goes either way, but let's say David has given some instruction to the kids and I disagree with it. And I disagree with it in front of David to the kids. Right. I know none of you would ever do that, but it's happened the other reverse way as well. And we slowly just realized this is not a good message to send to the children. And also it's really disrespectful to undermine what each other has said in the moment. So at this, like today, we always kind of step aside and discuss it. We discuss it behind closed doors and we come to a one decision together that we present to the kids. And I think that this has been really important so the kids don't feel like we're ever divided, that we, we parent as one and they're not going to get a different answer from you and me if they come to us separately, that we really move through those decisions together.

Right. I think that the few times that we have disagreed in front of the kids or one of us has corrected or, or kind of tried to overrule

the other or just had like a different idea.

It's been the number one thing that you and I try to do always is if we do disagree, we have enough respect for the other to wait to discuss it without the kids being present.

Would you say that there's like a look, there's like a look that we

give each other, like, yeah, I flex my jaw. That's, that's my sign.

I give you the look like, let's look here. Come out, come outside with me for a second. We'll, we'll go like, discuss. Maybe it's oftentimes it's just little things as well. But again, we never want to disagree with something the other person has put into motion in front of the children because that just makes us look divided as a parent. So that one has been, has been really great. Okay, next are a couple of books that we have two. We have two books that have sort of been into personal development. And then also a side effect of that has been an incredible marriage boost for us. So the first one really is marriage based. We did this before we got married. And it's the love languages. I'm sure you've heard about the love languages. My love language is

quality time.

And your love language is words of affirmation and acts of service. And so if you're not familiar with this book, the concept is that there are five love languages and not everyone speaks the same one. So an easy example of this is, let's say David's up being busy cleaning the kitchen and wishing that I would come help him. And I'm sitting on the couch wishing David would come have quality time with me. And so just because we receive love in a particular way doesn't mean that we always like the other person, receives it in the same way that we like to. And so the book really frames up like this can oftentimes be just as difficult as learning like a legitimate second language to learn how to communicate the love that in the way that you want to receive it and I want to receive it. This has been huge.

If you don't know your love language, you can try to think of the thing that you do for your spouse most frequently. And I think that that is what ends up being your personal love language. So I busy myself by cleaning or I'm the dish washing master shuffling around the kitchen and I'll catch myself doing it, thinking that I'm doing something that really means a lot to her. But really it's what I value most when really she would just rather me come sit on the couch and hang out and maybe ask her about a day or something like that.

The side effect of this book, too, is that it really helped us in our relationship with our kids and with our parents, because everyone kind of receives love in a different way.

The second book, another just great tool to learn more about what makes people feel valued and feel good and receive love is the Enneagram. Understand what makes another person tick.

We love the Enneagram, and we're a bit passionate about a particular book. Meaning you can't just go online and take the quiz. You cannot just go online and take a quiz. You have to really understand not only your number and what it means about you and your own personality and how you receive, like, achievement, but all of the other numbers as well. And so I'm an enneagram 3.

I'm an enneagram 7.

And there is so much before the Enneagram that maybe we just didn't really understand about each other. And afterwards, everything. Like, we're kind of quintessential threes and sevens, like, textbook almost. And so much has opened up for us about how we move through the day. And so the book that we love is called the Road Back to you by Ian Kron. And so we'll link all of this up in the show notes for today's episode. But this book goes through every single number, and you will likely know someone in every number. So I can't tell you how this has transformed my relationship with my sister and my mom and David's mom and my friends, the people on my team. It translates into business as well. And so part of what we love about it is that it shows really what you look like in health and unhealth and also in stress. And so there are just signs that kind of pop up for each other when maybe we're stressed out or something that we're aware of now and we can come to talk about it more quickly.

It helps you understand maybe the motives behind other people's actions.

What's one thing that you learned about me as a three that was surprising or unfolded for you in some way?

Tell them what the three.

The three is the achiever.

The achiever. So. Oh, yeah. So actually, some of the. There are some fun little catchphrases that they'll assign to the different numbers that are easier for me to remember than the rest of it. But so for Bonnie, out of three, the only thing more fun than fun is work.

Yes.

So it's not because she's stressed out or because she's worried about it, it's just because that's what she enjoys doing.

That's fun. The other one that I think about that was a revelation for me were, was that threes don't like to be slowed down.

Yes.

And so this opened up so much for you about why I do certain things.

Yeah. So I mean, anything, anything that'll slow her down. The refrigerator in the room has a key in it. And Bonnie was like, why is this refrigerator have a key? It takes so long to open. Doesn't take that long to open. You just have to turn the key and open it. But it's half of a millisecond slower than just opening the fridge. She does not like that. So seven for me, I am a planner. I like to always be planning ahead. Even when we're doing something that I've already planned, I'll be planning my next adventure. And, you know, anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

As a seven, they're always thinking about what's next. And so one of the challenges that you have is being really present in the moment and soaking in what it is today, which I feel like you kind of realize that through the enneagram and have consistently worked to overcome it.

Right. So I think one of the biggest things for me I've learned from that is because I recognize that tendency in sevens, I now force myself and I'm very aware of being in the moment. I think I'm much more present than even most normal people now because of that and because I want to, as a seven, make the most out of every situation. I want to make the have the most fun possible. I am now like the most present possible. I've deleted most of the social media off my phone so that I'm not just mindlessly scrolling. And I do other things to try to make myself, you know, be more present and enjoy the trips that I do plan.

Yeah. So we highly recommend that one for all aspects of life and business and family and marriage and teams and friends.

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Okay, the next one we want to talk about is number six. Six. And this is about priorities. So we learned this a long, long time ago. The importance of putting God first, each other, so your spouse second and your kids third. And I see this one get mixed up all the time. So for us, it's God first, because we know that we have to be full human beings on our own before we can fully fulfill each other. Whatever that is for you. For us, it's the Lord first, then second is always prioritized each other. And then our kids are prioritized third. And that means that, you know, we have a relationship outside of just our children and that's really important. We see this kind of get flip flopped so many times, and then the kids grow up and move off. And in the marriage, there's not a lot of sustenance left there. And so what would you say about that and how. What's an example of how we prioritize each other?

I mean, first and foremost, God calls us to love others more than ourselves. And the love that we have for each other should be that same type of love, which is sacrificial, meaning put the other person first. And then our kids see that relationship that we have and our devotion to one another, and they have learned to model that.

You know, I think sometimes you might feel like kids would rather be. Would rather feel like they were put first. But truly the only thing that children really want is parents who love each other, parents who have a great relationship with each other. And so one of the things that. How we play this out is that we typically don't let the kids interrupt us if we are having a conversation. It's typical that the kids will try to interrupt and we'll say something like, let me finish talking to dad first, and then we'll come, or, you know, everybody comes home and. And David will come and hug me first. We prioritize just each other just before the kids. And the kids really get to see a beautiful relationship because of it.

Right.

I do think the kids are better off in our relationship, where the kids are better off in the long run because of that. But also from a purely practical standpoint, and I've heard the first time I heard this, it was kind of hard to grasp, but our kids only with us for 18 years, and then, you know, we're left with each other, which

is why we're on this trip this week. We don't get to do very often, but, you know, even if you can't take an entire week, we try to take a night at least once a month. We try to just take one night away. We'll go to a town, you know, an hour away or something, and just prioritize time together. Okay. The next one is something else that we learned a long time ago. And I think that it's probably been one of the most beneficial things to our entire marriage. We're calling it the line, and probably 10 plus years ago, and they were talking about how it's very rare when someone just accidentally has an affair. Like they weren't thinking about it or planning on it, and all of a sudden they were having an affair. That's typically not what happens more Likely is that there was a line that was crossed early, early on that seemed innocent. And then after that, it was just one, one little tiny step in front of another. And so it called us to really talk about, like, well, what is that line? If you go back all the way to the very first line that should have never been crossed, what is it and what does it look like? And so what's okay and what's not okay? And so we are really strict about this with ourselves. So for instance, we would never go to lunch or dinner with another person of the opposite sex, even if it was business or, you know, any number of circumstances that would seemingly be okay,

Even mutual friends or anything like that. And I don't think like one on

one, obviously we go out as couples, but just one person and one person, it would never happen. Like, here's the thing, if you don't want a normal marriage, you can't. You, you have to be a little weird. Like you have to do things that aren't necessarily normal.

And normal is divorced now.

Normal today is typically not really what you want. We want excellent. And so, yeah, there's a whole host of things like we don't. Marco Polo, just one person of the opposite sex. We don't text. Like if we're texting someone, if you, if you have to text one of my friends, you always loop me on, in on the thread. So it's three people on the thread, and I do the same with you. There are so many things that if you think about just that very first line that feels completely okay, feels completely innocent, but you never want to cross even the initial line that could lead to the next line.

Any division in the marriage, I think that allows for secrets or potential misunderstandings or.

Well, because when you become married, you become one. And so really, you don't function as two anymore. You have to come together and function as one. The last one, number eight, is that we are really, really intentional about how hanging out with other people who have great marriages. And we've also kind of separated ourselves from a couple of marriages that weren't really good examples of where we wanted to go. So we're always looking for circles of people who inspire us to be better versions of ourselves, inspire our marriage to be better. And what do you want to say about that?

Right? So going back to my tendency to plan and I like to invite everyone to everything, always in that we've had a few couples that we've decided that just really aren't the best influences on us, their parenting styles on our children. And so we've been very intentional to our own sometimes loneliness that we won't necessarily hang out with just anyone.

There's a concept, right, that you are the average of your five closest friends. And, you know, whether that's actually true or not, the concept, I think, is really important. If you want to be a certain way, then you hang out with people who are a certain way. If you are hanging out with people who, you know are not healthy, they don't have good relationships, and they're not, you know, moving forward in their business, like, maybe you want to. You need to find a different group of people who are doing all those things that you aspire to do. And the same with our marriage. We. We love spending time in marriages that are just inspiring and they're fun to be around, and they have a great relationship, and that just gives us such a great example to follow as well. And then two things. I'm sure there's many more that we're working on. Number one is greetings. I think that it's so easy for me and. And you to kind of just take our are coming and going a little bit for granted. And so I've been trying to be more intentional about just delighting in the moment you walk into a room. The moment you come home, you know, at the end of the day when we see each other or the moment that we see each other first thing in the morning is just to delight in that moment and be happy that we saw each other.

Right now, we'll take the majority of the blame on this one. I think that my greetings are our poor best. So, yeah, I think you're right. I mean, we take for granted. I heard it once, you know, the way you greet someone at the door that you don't know is often 100 times more pleasant than you greet your spouse when they come home. You know what I mean? So if you answer the door and it was a stranger, perk up and say, hey, man, how you doing? How's it going? Whether you're that happy before you open the door or not. And we should do it even if we're not just bubbling over with joy when the other person walks in the room, they deserve your best. And so.

And I think it's just one of those easy things to forget about, because with each other all the time for so many years, and you just maybe forget. But it's the little things, the little habits that we create that really build over the long term. And then the last one, this is number 10 but the second thing that we're working on, I think we're all working on this, like humanity is being present, being present in the moment, having a practice of putting our phone, you know, face down during dinner, not, not checking it, but specifically when someone is speaking to each other, being fully present and not being on a device or multitasking or whatever. And so we're getting better at this. We're getting better at this. But it's something that we're still very much intentionally trying to like. We've given each other permission to be like, come back to me or lean in and really focus on what we're talking about here.

Yeah. And I think you can help the other person by maybe setting some agreed upon, ahead of time standard. Don't just snatch the other person's phone.

Oh, no, that would be a bad idea.

That's the wrong way to go about it.

But that is a wrap. Those are our 10 things. I hope that whether you are married or single or dating or any of the above, that you can take at least one of these things into your relationship or your next relationship or the relationship that you have with your children or your parents or your friends. It's all about intention, I think, is being really thoughtful about your relationships.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably the biggest theme with all this, is intentionality in everything you do, whether it's your. Your job or your relationship. So neither can survive or thrive without it.

So as a recap, the eight different things that we do that we talked about today are touch points. Showing interest, maintaining respect, parenting as one. A couple of books that we mentioned, Prioritizing each other, talking about the line and hanging out, spending time with other people who make us better. And then the two things that we're working on are our greetings and being present with each other. David, it's time to answer some questions that have been submitted. I have not told you any of these, but on my stories this week, I asked people if they wanted to ask you a question. Are you up for it?

Oh, boy. Yes. Yeah.

Okay, the first one is, is David a part of your team? Does he have a role at Bonnie Christine?

No, I don't. It's something that we discussed early on. Definitely. It's nice to have understanding as to what's going on in her business. We share things like that. But nope, I don't work in it and don't pant it.

Are you plant based like Bonnie?

I am, yes.

And what you might like to know is that it was all his Idea

to begin with probably 15 plus years ago, before we even got married.

Yeah. So being plant based for us is all about health. We made the decision out of a health based decision and there was one book in particular that really kind of did it for us and it's called the China Study. So if you're interested in learning about plant based as it relates to disease and long term health, we'll link that book up in the replay in the show notes. What's been your favorite thing about watching Bonnie grow as an entrepreneur?

Very good question. Yeah, so she's certainly gone from hobbyist in her blog career, which was pre fabric design, to a true professional. I think everyone would agree. And so yeah, that's been it. I mean she's completely self taught and I'll tell anyone anytime that she did everything herself for sure. Bootstrapped it. And yeah, so seeing her go from knowing nothing to learning and figuring it all out herself to teaching it to others has been my favorite.

Okay, here's a great follow up question. Were you ever doubtful that Bonnie would make it? Initial thoughts and feelings please. This will be for my hubby's benefit.

Doubtful.

No, we never knew where it is.

I had no idea what a fabric designer was. I had no idea what surface pattern design was. And so yeah, I thought for sure that it was at the time when she first started just another maybe hobby or side hustle and certainly had no clue it would take us this far. But doubt was never in the picture.

Are you the fun dad or the strict one?

Oh gosh, I'm probably the strict one. Oh, I don't know.

I don't know.

I think you're, I think you're just an even mix of both. Yeah, you definitely train the kids and then you also just have so much fun with them. Did you ever think you'd be on a podcast episode?

Definitely not.

This is his debut. Okay, great question. So what does a day in the life of David look like?

Okay, typically I get up about six. I do my devotion. Coffee is always involved coffee and breakfast. I'm a big breakfast guy. Then the kids wake up a little after seven to get the kids ready for school. I take the kids to the bus by 8am and then I go to the gym, spend the morning at the gym and I go usually to the office where I do a number of things real estate related which are pretty boring. I always tell people boring stuff at the office.

You know, David also does all of the things that are to just really not fun. Honestly, he takes care of all of the paperwork, all of the bills, all of the kind of accounting, all of the appointments. Like he really kind of sweeps up all of the like managerial stuff, paying

small bills here and there, writing checks, checking on things, getting things fixed on my day to day tasks in the office. And then I pick up the kids from school about 3:30 each day and then shuttle or drive them to after school activities, things like that.

So David coaches soccer.

Oh, I coach soccer.

He coaches basketball.

But we have a pretty chill evening so we're home by six most nights if we don't have sports.

What is your favorite thing to cook or does Bonnie let you?

Bonnie would definitely let me that my skills are better used elsewhere. I do however or can bake, which

I think is hilarious.

That's born out of necessity because I, I do like sweets. Bonnie doesn't like to bake, which is very funny because she is an excellent cook and cooks a scratch made dinner most nights, but does not like to bake.

Okay, so this person clearly knows that you used to be a professional cyclist. And so the question is, how would you break in a six year old that doesn't want to learn how to ride a bike because it hurts his bottom?

Oh, that's.

Yeah. So.

Well, that particular issue is they'll just have to get a better seat or maybe cycling pants. But I was ironically one of the last kids in my neighborhood to learn how to ride a bike without training this and then ironically became professional cyclists. So don't, don't give up on them yet. Still young.

Has David created at least one repeating pattern?

No, and I do like to doodle or draw a little bit. Cartoon primarily. And Bonnie's tried to get me to do a repeating pattern in the past. But not yet. Never say never, but not yet.

Do you still coach cycling?

No, I don't. I did that for about 11 years and I really enjoyed my time working with people from all over the world and training guys and traveling. But since the last probably six years I have not done that. And yeah, it's just a chapter of my life that's gone by.

What would you say to other husbands who don't think creative careers can be lucrative?

There seem to be a lot of naysayers out there, at least in the husband department. I would definitely tell them is room for their wife, there's plenty of money to be made and space in the industry.

Okay, this is the last one. What did you need from Bonnie to believe that she was in fact making progress on her goals? This is early on. I would say in the very beginning.

I mean, her consistency, working on learning Adobe and consuming every bit of information that she could get her hands on early on was testament that she was serious about it. She was pretty well determined from day one, even though I had no idea what she was. Determined, determined what she was actually working on.

Good job.

Good job. You're done in the hot seat. We have to get back to our anniversary trip. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the Professional Creative. You can get show notes for today's episode and all other episodes@profropriationalcreative.com do you know how I sign off?

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