How This Man Will Never Die! | Bryan Johnson

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Is the toilet paper in the bathroom brown or is it just lighting?

Yeah, bamboo.

Oh, okay. We got to talk about that.

Yeah, yeah, you try it.

I did a test wipe. I'm not going to lie. I know it's your house, but I.

Had to try it out.

I've that before.

Yeah, we tested for.

It's honestly kind of soft too. I was impressed by it.

Yeah. Yeah. Like out of five stars, how many would you give it?

It's like eco friendly.

Well, basically you're trying to eliminate toxins.

Yeah.

So like don't die is like find everything that could kill you and don't do that.

What's wrong with conventional toilet paper?

The thing is, everything has toxins. Foods, air, water, clothing. Like it's just everywhere. And so identifying where those toxins are and then trying to minimize those. What's that?

It's in.

Yeah. Are you doing it now?

I just have one in. Yeah. I like doing it when just.

Okay.

It's for Your crib.

Is that cool?

It's actually cool, yeah. The problem, though, it creates vasodilation dilation, since.

Yeah, and that's bad.

So. Yeah. So it will make your. So basically you have less blood flow to your. Your face, which will make your face age.

Ah.

What about this thing, babes?

That's way worse for sure.

Yeah. Here. Not a good idea.

What's something that we don't know? Ask people about vapes. That you could tell us.

I mean, it's just not good. It's like, it's not something that makes your lungs better or your body better. Yeah, yeah. And if you look at some of the biomarkers, you'll see that it could have some negative effects.

How'd you go for being, like, a tech wizard? And I want to talk about that because that's an interesting story, too. But to learning all about the biohacking stuff. Like, how did you learn all this stuff?

I love to read history. And when you go back hundreds of years, you see certain times where people saw certain things. They saw the future, and that they actually, if people were to stop and say, I see it too, they could have lived, you know, better lives. For example, like in 1870, there was a crazy idea that microscopic objects called bacteria are the source of infection. And so when that new idea came out, people were like, that's stupid. You know, like, half the people were. And so the reaction in the community was half the people were doctors, were not called gentlemen. They. They couldn't practice. They didn't want to be in the community practicing that medicine because they didn't believe in this new idea. Turns out bacteria is real. It can cause infection. It can lead to death. And so if you hear that idea and you're like, that's stupid. You might die. And so the question is, what ideas are there in the world right now that are actually true? And if they are true, may actually be in your best interest to do those things. So that was the goal. So I think basically the insight is I'm trying to achieve immortality by the year 2039.

Wait, wait, wait, 2039?

You're 47?

48.

48, 14 years from now.

That's right.

Immortality, basically.

Longevity, escape velocity, where one year of time passes and you can stay the same age biologically.

So wait, define immortality.

That basically, it's just like once you arrest biological aging, you still have the risk of getting killed in some accident, but you're not going to die of cancer or of metabol, you know, of cardiovascular disease or something else. So you take away the biggest risk factor for death. And so that's, I think we're, there's error bars around that, but I think it's reasonable as a target. But yeah, I mean, we're, my team and I are currently targeting that as a date where a year will pass and I will stay the same age. And not only that, I'll be. So that's 14 years. I'll be 62 chronologically. But if the technology is actually advances the way we think, my body would probably be closer to a 20 year old. Really?

When you say that too, you're talking about like your heart and your brain will stay the same age.

That's right.

How do you control that?

I mean there's technology now. It's like, think about like this, where when, when a man and a woman procreate, the man contributes a sperm, the woman contributes an egg. They combine. And so even though, you know, like the, the father may be 30 years old, the mother may be 30 years old, when those two things combine, it basically goes back to zero. Right? The baby starts at zero. And so our bodies already have the ability to take aged cells and make it zero. And there are new technologies that do that outside of procreation. So you can take an adult cell, like one of your cells, and take it back to zero. It's not fully developed yet, where you just can't do it today, but that you can basically reverse time in biology.

So what are the ways you test that where your body is staying the same age? Like how do you. And what is it considered right now?

So it depends on the body part. So for example, I've measured, I'm the most measured person in human history. And so we've measured the biological age of my brain. But you can measure like 20 or 50 different age markers of the brain. You can measure the age of your heart, your lungs, your pancreas, your liver. You can measure like hundreds of biological ages for the body. So for example, one of my oldest ages is my left ear. It's age 64. I shot a lot of guns. What's that? 64. 64. What about the. Right. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, like 45. 45, wow.

So you have better hearing in your right ear.

Exactly. So I shot kids. I shot guns as a kid. And they also listen to a lot of music. Shot kids. Yeah, scratch that one. Clip it. Yeah, clip it. So yeah, I have hearing damage in my left ear. And so but then like in other ways, like if you look at my blood Glucose control, my cardiovascular ability, my fertility, my DNA, they're all roughly age 18. So in many ways my body runs like an 18 year old, like a legit 18 year old. And in other ways my body is old. Like my ear.

So when you wake up, you feel like you're in an 18 year old body. You have like more energy.

I do.

Walk us through your daily routine.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's about five hours long. So the morning begins the night before I go to bed at 8:30. I try to be on time every night like within like 15 minutes.

So what time do you sneak into bed then if you're asleep by 8:30.

Like 8:20, I typically have a book in my hand. I'll read for 10, 10 minutes. So like try to be embedded and I'll fall asleep within one minute.

But I saw recently you've got a girl now, right too. So does that to switch up the bedtime a little bit because we don't.

Sleep in the same bed. Oh yeah.

Ever.

That's a good tactic for sleeping. Better for sure.

Exactly. Right. I mean, honestly, sleeping together is crazy. I agree.

It gets annoying.

Do what you got to do and then go to the other room.

Especially when the girl wants to like cuddle all night. Yeah, like you got to like cuddle and then it's like, okay, turn over to your side so I could actually. You know what I'm saying?

It's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So I go to bed 8:30, I sleep for eight hours. I'll wake up like at 4:35 naturally. And then I do like a five hour routine. So I'll, I'll do 10 minutes of breath work. I'll then get a light into my eyes. 10,000 lux. This is like sunlight equivalent. I'll eat a breakfast with some protein, then I'll work out for an hour. I'll do sauna for 20 minutes and then I'll do hyperbaric oxygen therapy and then my morning routine wraps.

What's something you do in your daily routine that you secretly like, don't like?

Go ahead. I love it. You love everything. I love it so much. It's like my daily ritual. It's like my daily prayer. And when I don't get to do it, I'm ornery.

Do you cold plunge too?

I don't.

Is that what you don't think it's good?

It's just not evidence. It doesn't pass the evidence bar as a longevity therapy. It may make you feel good, which is cool, but there's not Evidence that it's actually good longevity therapy.

Really?

Yeah.

Cuz that's like the new thing, right? Everyone's cold, plunging. I love doing it. I love the way it makes me feel like, like right when I get out.

Yeah, yeah. It's a great high.

Yeah.

You're saying there's no studies that prove that it benefits the human body?

There's benefits like you definitely, there's some, some feel good effects, you know, there's some other potential benefits. But as a longevity therapy, what we've tried to say is like in the world of things you can do for your health, the list is endless. And so you have to narrow it down some way and say, what do I do and what don't I do? And so we, the filter we use is we said what things will slow down my speed of aging or extend or, or, or reverse age. But we're basically trying to get to that immortality point where we're trying to get to the point where my body stops aging.

When did you become so focused on this?

42.

So after you made your money, right?

Exactly.

It seems like you have to be worth at least a hundred million to like have even this thought that this is possible.

If I had somebody in my life who could have coached me in my 20s to do this, I would do it. I just didn't know. I, I bought the story that when you are in your 20s and you're ambitious, the script is to grind. You don't sleep much, you don't eat well, you don't exercise, and you kind of just tolerate it because it's like, it's what you do and you want to kind of brag about. You're kind of cool with three and four hours of sleep and it's kind of a flex, but you're just kind of wearing yourself down. And so I think the other point.

Though is like when you're in your 20s, you're not worried about death as much as you are as you get whatever that's later in life. So if you changed in your 20s, how much would that change your position now?

Like, my son is 20 and he's been doing this with me for the past four years and I envy him. You know, like to imagine doing this when you're 16 years old, because even in your 20s, when you don't feel it that much, you're still accumulating the damage. Your body still has the wear and tear. And then when the 30s hit and 40s, it all of a sudden manifests in these pretty brutal ways. But it just basically it's a hidden cost. It's like you're spending money from a bank account and you can't see that bank account is going negative.

So what's like the supplement regimen after you finish your morning routine?

I take about. I'm probably in the range of like 30ish pills right now.

And is that based on like your blood work?

Maybe 15% of it. Most of it is generic, like creatine, for example, vitamin D, vitamin E. So basic things that everyone gets on a.

Daily basis going back to. And I'm sure this is like the most common question you get, but we're going to use your son as an example because he's 20.

Yeah.

His life is going to change drastically. And people might say he's not even really living if he's only focused on living forever at an early age of cuz 20 is young. So do you think he's going to miss out on certain things that he can enjoy in life when he's so hyper focused on what you're doing as well?

It's a good question. And this is probably the most common question I get is people see what I do and they say, bros, they'll live in. So busy trying to not die. He ain't living. Right. It's like the most common thing. And what they're getting at is they're basically saying in 2025, humans have an understanding of life, that we do these death rituals as part of who we are. So for example, it's acceptable and normal to get three hours of sleep, sleep under your desk, drink on the weekends, do all your things. That's living. And the, the irony is it's actually slow, slow boil suicide, but our culture calls it living. And so it's really weird. So if you just fast forward in time to 2035, those that exist in 2035, like the podcast that takes place in 2035 here, will look back at 2025 and be like, those motherfuckers were killing themselves and thinking it was cool. Like, that's so weird. So we're just in a moment in time where we just, we can't see it.

It definitely is transitioning though. Like health is.

Yeah.

Is in. Yeah.

I mean, you can't be the only guy who's trying this out right now.

Right.

I've heard some crazy stories of like Saudi princes or like middle, sorry, Middle.

Eastern, like Elon people in the UAE.

Are like creating labs and like taking like cells from babies and like trying to do the same thing. Right. Have you heard any of those stories?

Yeah, I know all these people. Yeah, people, People.

You guys have a group chat.

I mean, yes, people are doing. People doing a variety of things for their health. And you're right, it is changing. It still weirdly hasn't crossed total zeitgeist, where there's. There's still like, leftover ideas of that if you're not doing these, if you're not drinking, letting loose and having a. You know, having a fast food meal every once in a while, you're. You're not fully living life. So there's still some hangover on that.

Did you ever eat fast food or like.

Yeah, yeah, I did.

When was your last fast food meal?

I. I had chili cheese fries a couple years ago because my. My oldest son was like, dad, I don't know if I believe this. You know, you really into this. And I was like, all right, let's give it a go. So I said, I'll eat whatever you want me to eat. So he got me some chili cheese fries.

They're probably fire, though, right?

You know, I. I got so sick, I ate like, I don't know, maybe 10. And I thought, this is bad news. I already feel the situation, and this is going to be bad.

Did you keep it down or do you throw it?

No, I stopped and he let me stop, but I was sick for a while.

How about drinking? Do you ever drink back in the ever?

Not much. I was raised Mormon, so we didn't drink. And then I left the Mormon Church. I had a couple years where I was kind of experimenting with alcohol, but never more than a few times.

What do you think is the biggest thing people do that makes them age faster?

Sleep? Yeah. Yeah. Not alcohol.

Just sleep. Sleep's number one.

Anything.

So the reason why I would identify sleep is when you don't sleep well, your prefrontal cortex goes offline and your. Your willpower plummets. So that means the next day, in the morning, when you can either eat the croissant or eat the bowl of berries, you're gonna eat the croissant, because even though you. You don't want to, you know how it's gonna make you feel. Then when lunch arrives, you have the big cookie and whatever, you just can't hold yourself back. And so that's why sleep. Because sleep kills willpower. Willpower just pummels you. Then when you. When you engage in those bad habits, you lose even more willpower. So when people feel out of control, it's usually because they have no willpower. Reserve left. They've. They've spent all of it and they're just an animal. Just like, kind of succumb to their passions.

You have the highest sleep score, right?

I do.

I think I saw that. What is it?

The marker of good sleep is you want to. When your head hits a pillow, you want to be asleep within a few minutes. Time two is once you're asleep, you want to stay asleep. You don't want to be up several times. You want roughly two hours of REM and roughly two hours of deep. That's like restorative metrics you would see on a wearable whoop or a apple.

Garmin, what do you wear?

I wear whoop. And I have a bed that tracks it as well. All. All of them. The wireless.

What bed do you have? Like, what kind of bed do you have?

Eight sleep.

Eight sleep. Does that make a huge difference?

It does.

How much are those?

I think the, like, 3K, right?

Or something like that?

Thereabouts. And I think maybe the topper is a bit less.

So what does that do? It does temperature control, and that's a huge thing.

The body's very sensitive to temperature.

So when did you get that bed?

Years ago.

And how, like, does it really change a lot?

It's. It's one of the reasons why I hate traveling so much.

See, that's why I don't want to get one.

It does.

It ruins, really, because people have told me to get one, but we travel so much that I'm like, I feel like I'm not gonna be able to sleep. I already don't like sleeping in some hotels.

Yeah, I'm gonna get one for sure. I didn't know they were that cheap. What is the biggest effect that keeps you asleep or it makes you fall asleep faster?

It's the routines. So the body wants to be on a schedule. It wants to do things at a certain time, and it's your circadian rhythm. So I build my entire life around my circadian rhythm. That's why when I go to bed at 8:30, it's precisely at 8:30, because the body says, I want to go to bed right now. So spinning up all these biological processes, if you wait and go to bed at 11:30, which a lot of people do that, and they think, oh, that's fine. I can just sleep in that much longer the next morning. It doesn't work that way. So, for example, one reason why is at 8:30pm my body's kickstarting a process where a trash collector rolls through my body and it picks up garbage and if I'm not asleep at 8:30, the trash collector doesn't come. So the garbage builds up in my body. So as an example, so you can't miss your bedtime and let those processes happen.

What's three tips for like improving your sleep?

Number one is have your final meal of the day four hours before bed. So if your bedtime is 10pm, don't eat after six.

And that just keeps you asleep longer or just deep.

It gives your body time to digest. And when your body has that distance, it will lower its body temperature. You'll have blood glucose will be down. Your melatonin is produced so it gets the body in a more relaxed state. If you are heavy like a half hour, an hour before your body's busy digesting, you have higher blood glucose, your body's hotter you so you have a longer sleep onset. So sleep or eight, four hours before bed. Number two is you need like an hour wind down routine. So if your bedtime's 10pm When 9pm Comes, you want to have screens off and spend that hour like doing things that relax you. Read a book, breath work, meditation, hang out with a friend, call a family member, anything but be on your, your screen.

TV's not as bad as phone, right?

It depends.

Phone is the worst before sleep, bro. I know phone's so bad. Like when you're scrolling through. Oh, but it's so hard not to sometimes. But that just makes your mind just.

It keeps you awake. And especially if you wake up in the middle of the night, you grab your phone, you're screwed.

Oh, I never do that.

That's the worst thing ever. It's changed. It's me up.

What was the third? Probably something positive. Such as reading a book for 10 minutes. Is it just before you go to bed, a book in hand and read it for 10 minutes. And that is as powerful as a sleep medication. But that helps wind your body down your.

I don't know. But as powerful?

Well, it depends on what you're taking. There's levels to it.

I think there's that. Yeah, I think actually on some metrics it's more powerful than sleep meds. It's, it's really, I mean look at the evidence. It's really good.

Well, I actually saw something recently and someone sent me that like melatonin studies are being done that it affects your heart. I don't know if you've seen that.

What's up with.

You have melatonin every night you take 5 milligrams. Yeah, because I have trouble sleeping.

You like melatonin?

I do 300 mcg. So a third of a milligram of melatonin? Yeah.

You think it's too high right now? Like 10 milligrams the highest.

I feel like every kid takes melatonin.

Yeah, man.

Because I mean, it's hard for me to sleep within like 20 minutes of being on my bed. Like I, I stay on my phone too.

So I knock out melatonin and 30.

Minutes after I'll be done, I'll be out to sleep.

So I. This would be my bet is you could actually stop taking melatonin. If you eat four hours before bed, get off your phone 60 minutes before bed and read a book. And that will be 10x more powerful than melatonin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are you going to try it out?

You know, reading's tough.

I'm not.

I'll try reading.

You can't do an audiobook. You have to actually read to.

Let me try. Do the experiment. Do both.

The phone's the worst. You know it's the worst to phone right in the morning.

Yeah.

But it's so like I'll go through phases where like I won't touch my phone right in the morning and I'll try to like, not. But it's so hard.

Yeah.

It's the toughest thing ever.

I could, I could see the digesting part. Like eating four hours before.

Yeah.

I mean, not having so much in your stomach and then.

Yeah.

You know, going to sleep right away, it's like, yeah, you're having so much in your stomach. Oh yeah, I can agree with that.

I'll tell you guys this, that people who have been around me for several years now and they've heard me say these things and it's kind of landed. But they haven't done it for a variety of reasons. Then they finally do it, they come back to me and they say, this is the most significant life changing thing I have ever had. Because once you start sleeping, well, everything in your life changes everything.

So do you not wake up at all?

No, I mean, occasionally I'll ever go.

To the bathroom in the middle of the night occasionally.

I always do. I've been trying to cut off my water by a certain time.

Yeah.

I go to bed, I piss in the middle of the night, probably twice.

Yeah.

If I do once, that's like a good night.

What's your.

But I drink a lot of water.

Yeah. On at what time?

I mean, yeah, I will drink it like before bed too.

It's like, you gotta Cut off.

But I'm also working out a lot and like running. So. Yeah, I need to drink a lot of water too. Yeah, it's like.

Yeah. So one thing you can do on that is, do you use electrolytes at all?

Yeah.

Okay, how much?

Like a thousand milligrams a day.

Okay. You. You could try to increase that.

Increase it? Yeah, a little bit just to hold the water.

You know what I hate is going to the bathroom right before you gotta, gotta sleep. Like, are you getting up and.

I know, right?

Should I just pass real quick? Yeah, why not?

And then. Yeah, exactly. You have to do that. You guys could try this for the, the liquid thing. I try to stop drinking fluids around 4pm So I hydrate very heavily in the morning. So I've. Lately I've been consuming around 4 to 5,000 milligrams of sodium per day. What? Because I, I work out really hard, so I sweat a lot. Yeah. And I do sauna. I do 200 degrees in a dry sauna. And so we've been measuring my sodium levels, my potassium, my magnesium, trying to. Because I thought this might be too much, but my levels are still in the ideal range. But I've been heavily hydrating with electrolytes because sometimes.

And what do you take for electrolytes?

Like what we, my company has.

Okay.

Yeah, we buy our own stuff. We test it for toxins and stuff like that. But by, by having the right electrolyte balance that will help you stop urinating. So if you drink too much water and your electrolyte balance is off, you'll.

Urinate more because you're not holding the water.

Right? Exactly. That's right. So if you have the proper electrolyte balance and you push earlier in the day, you can, you can reduce the probability you'll wake up. And then the other way you can actually address the, the wake up and the not back to sleep is. That's all about the wind down routine. So right before bed, if you're on your phone, you're scrolling, you're texting, you're doing work, you're spinning up thoughts that are arousing you. So you fall asleep and you wake back up. That's the first thing you're thinking about, right? The thing you're doing just before bed.

Yeah.

So that's the thing that nails you. That's why this wind down routine is so important. You need to say, like, I, I'm gonna calm my body down even though it's painful, like everyone's addicted. You're so right.

You're so right.

Well, what's the first thing you do when you wake up?

Oh, don't look at my phone. Yeah, yeah.

When do you look at your phone? How long after you wake up?

Depends on if there's something pressing going on, but typically 30, 60, 90 minutes, something like that.

Do you have like an emergency phone in your room?

I don't know.

And you have no alarm?

No. Do you just wake up? Oh, wow. Yeah.

I'm interested in. You said at 42, you thought about this. Was there one specific reason you were like, okay, I want to live forever? Or did something change in your life where you're like, I gotta attempt this?

Well, it's just the question if, if you lived in the year, you know, 1600 or 1700 or 1800, the question would be, what is the one thing in existence that you could do that would matter a few hundred years from now? And there's typically only one or two things per generation that has that kind of longevity. And sometimes people are born into a time and place where there's just not many things you can do. But before this, before technology really was rolling, it was maybe a great book or maybe it was, you know, political accomplishments or some other form of artistry. Now I think the most epic thing that a human could aspire to right now is to not die. And so that's why when I was 42, I thought, like, what goal would I want to have? That's the apex goal that a human can have on planet Earth in this time right now.

Do you think that's positive for everybody though, to have that goal, to live forever? Because I feel like it's kind of case dependent, but.

So you think you'll never die?

I think that's the first time that a human can realistically have that goal in our history, since Earth was formed, it is the first time that a biological species could say, we may not die.

And based on that goal, are you relying on the future of medicine and science as well, not what's currently available?

100%.

What do you think is going to become, like we said, 10 years from now? What's going to be different and what's going to be more accessible?

I mean, there's things, for example, we'll probably be able to replace our organs. You'll probably be able to replace your kidney with a new kidney. That's pretty straightforward. We can do kidney transplants. There are some things like the brain is gonna be really hard. So we have to figure out, how do you reverse the age in the brain, that's going to be probably the hardest one. There's new therapies that people are working on right now where you can just reverse the age of your cells from, you know, 48 year old cell back to a baby. And so there's, right now there's risks with that technology because there's off target effects like you could have, you could create cancer with that. So you need to, they need to fix it up. But still there's a possibility that in some near time frame you get a therapy that wipes out 10 years of your biological age.

And this biohacking space is so new still. Right. Like with medicine and the way it's advancing in science, I can only imagine what's going to be available.

I feel like you have to get some backlash because being a human, I feel like part of it is death. Right. And I think for some people there's like that daily pressure that you know you're going to die one day. So you want to accomplish as much as you can in your life. Yeah, but that changes if you're trying to live forever. So do people come after you for like everything you're trying to do?

Certainly. And if you go back in time, you look at the big shifts that have happened in society, you know, universal human rights was not a thing, it just became a thing recently. And there's been major ideas or democracy that somebody could vote. So ideas change, society changes, people's expectations of the world change. And so in 2035 it could just be common wisdom that it's not a good idea to die. Where you look back at 2025 and you're looking at them like historical figures and being like, they just accepted death and they had this YOLO mentality which is why a lot of people do stuff. They'll, they'll drink and smoke and not sleep well and not eat well because they'll say what else am I going to do, bro? Like how else am I going to live life? Like you're not living life, but they're just under a certain moral framework that will be outdated. They don't understand how fast things are changing.

It is important too though, like financial situation is going to change everything because someone who doesn't or has to go to work every day like you made, you were successful. I know you weren't rich your whole life, but there's people that work at the corner coffee shop that go to a 9 to 5 that aren't even, this isn't even crossing their mind because they don't Think it's possible for them?

Yeah. So it's situational in some ways though, you know, but the thing that any person has, most people have access to is if. If they need emergency help, there's a medical infrastructure that could actually help them. Whereas that wasn't the case, you know, before or when they drink water out of a tap, it's clean. There's like someone watching out for them. There's not toxins or when they get certain food supply. So we do, as a society, we've built up these really basic things to increase the health and wellness of society generally. It's not perfect.

Right.

But this is. My goal is not just for me. My goal is for everybody. And so people, when I bring that, they'll say, well, aren't you worried about overpopulation? Sure. Like, that's a downstream problem. But my goal is to say, hey, humanity, this is an epic situation. And it'd be a good idea for all of us to say, let's give it a go. It's kind of the coolest adventure we could go on.

What about, like, wrinkles?

Yeah.

Do you get Botox?

I don't.

So you can stop. You think you can look this way.

When you're 80 with the technologies coming? Yeah, I think so. I better.

What do you got to tell somebody? You look like that. You got to tell somebody, hey, I'm 80. Like, they're going to assume you're like, probably 40.

Yeah.

So you see someone in public and you're 80 years old and you look like that. It's going to throw people off.

Exactly. They'll probably be like telltale signs. It would be something like, we have figured out how to de. Age the skin. We figured out how to. Whatever, whatever. But we can't stop the ears from growing, you know, like as you age or your ears get bigger. And so the telltale sign may be something like a. I'm biologically 18, but my ears are like a 64 year old. And we haven't been able to solve that minus a total ear transplant, which is just too complicated. So I'm guessing there will be things we can't solve which will ultimately reveal someone's true age. Yeah, but they won't be at risk of a heart attack or cancer because the risk will be in check because they're biologically young.

What's the oldest person to ever live right now? Do you know?

If I'm not mistaken, it's 121. Thereabouts. Well, 24. Some. Somewhere there.

So you think in Our lifetime, How old will people be living?

I think it's a possibility that we just won't have a cap if we get to a point in 20 by 2039. So, for example, right now my speed of aging is 0.50, which means for every 12 months that pass, I age 6 months. So I'm aging at half the normal speed. So that's been one of our primary goals, is slow down your speed of aging. So just you're accumulating less aging damage. If I could slow my speed of aging down to 0.25, let's just make it up then. For every year I only age 3 or 4 months, and with that, that certain amount of aging, if I can reverse that aging damage to therapies, I'm back to zero on that year. Right? I haven't aged. So that's the goal, is slow it down as much as you can. Then whatever you do, age, get, get therapies to reverse that.

So what, what are you doing besides just, like, the stuff everyone can do in terms of obviously good sleep, good diet, like, are you doing any, like, cell stuff for the cells or like, stem cell?

There's really, honestly not been any fancy therapies that have worked. I've tried, I've tried them all. I've done stem cells, I've done exosomes.

Are those bullshit?

They just need to be specifically done for a certain thing and they need to be medical grade and. But otherwise, a lot of people hear.

Stem cell, people hear words and it's expensive, right?

It's expensive.

A lot of celebs are getting.

They hear stem cells, they hear peptides, they hear red light therapy, and they think, good, good, good. But it's not as clean as that. There's nuances. It's good in some contexts and bad in other contexts. They're not characterized fully. There's some risks. So it's just complicated. But a lot of people just hear them and think, good, I'm gonna do it. But it's not the case.

So what are you doing that's so different? Like, I mean, all you said so far was like, good sleep, going to bed at a good time.

What about for your light? Like, how do you keep your heart young?

Best therapy I do by far is the avoidance of harm, which is number one thing.

I don't think sober and stuff and being healthy.

Don't consume sugar. I go to bed on time. I, you know, I don't sit for long periods of time. I don't breathe toxic air. I don't drink toxic water, I just avoid harm. And that is probably the most effective therapy I do.

How much money do you think you spelt spent on trying to stay on?

About 5 million. But that money's primarily allocated towards researchers and scientists who do all the research. Like they. We've been trying to go to the literature and say what things do work, because the key is figuring out what works and how you do it. So, for example, if. If I didn't have that kind of research, I might be spending my time cold plunging, which wouldn't have the effects that we're looking for. Or I might be doing something like juicing all the time. Because if we think juice cleanses are like the key to. But that wouldn't have the effects we want. So we need to figure out in a very precise manner what to do, what not to do, and then spin up all the tests. So the majority of the money I've. I've spent has been on research and then testing myself, trying to measure everything in my body.

So you're kind of using yourself as like a test dummy for the future? Yeah, in a way, yeah.

I wonder if, like, when you turn, we'll go 175. You're gonna be like, all right, I'm over this. Like, has that hit your mind? Like, there might be a point where I'm just gonna be over it.

This is such a fun thought experiment. Today's Wednesday. Do you have stuff going on tomorrow?

Yeah.

Friday?

Yeah.

So when you're 175 and I ask you the same question, you're going to tell me you're doing something. So living for tomorrow and living forever are the same ideas. It's just when a human thinks about living forever, it breaks their brain. They're like, I would be bored. But if you put it in the frame of living for tomorrow, you always have something to do tomorrow. It's the same idea. Living forever is just tomorrow.

Well, I guess it's a good thing you got money because you're gonna have grandkids on grandkids forever.

Great, great, great, great, great.

Can you imagine that? Yeah. It's gonna be insane.

It'd be 5,000 people.

It's gonna get out of control.

Totally out of control. But this is. I want to be very clear. Everything I learn, I share with everyone in the world for free. I don't charge for it, I don't gate it. I share everything. What works, what doesn't work. I encourage people to follow these practices, and this is not about me achieving immortality. It's about helping everybody achieve, you know, I say immortality because it's like an interesting idea, but truly it's about being healthy right now.

What's the biggest cause of death, you know, besides like a car crash or like anything like that?

Yeah, that's a good question. I think it's cardiovascular disease, if I'm not mistaken. But I need to look that up. It's a good question.

How about like, cancer? Because like, a lot of people die from cancer.

Yeah. I mean, for example, in India, they, they would do more for their population by correcting for air pollution than by curing cancer. So there's different, different toxins have different costs.

What do you think is, like, do you have a theory or like, do you know anything about the causes of cancer?

And like, I mean, mechanistically, we know what happens. We know, you know, at a cellular level, we know what happens. We know what happens when you can increase the risk of cancer. When your body's in poor health, you have a higher risk of cancer occurring when you're older. You have a higher risk of cancer occurring when your immune system is not as good. So like, for example, okay, here's for example, when you get four hours of sleep per night or less for a few days, your NK cells, which are the cells that survey your body for cancer, they go down in activity by roughly 70%. So a way to increase risk of cancer is low sleep. Because when you're. We don't get adequate sleep, your body is so stressed about the situation, it stops looking for cancer by 70%.

So what's your diet like?

The philosophy is that every calorie has to fight for its life. We went through all the scientific evidence, we ranked all foods and we said, what are the power law foods? So we. I don't want to just eat any random food. I want to find the healthiest food in the world, the second healthiest in the world, and the third, if you can rank it like that. So it's basically a lot of legumes, which are beans, lentils, edamame, berries, nuts, seeds. Extra virgin olive oil is basically what.

You take olive oil shots, right?

Yeah.

You like those or no?

Yeah, they're good. Like you get I olive oil with everything. It's. I eat more calories with olive. I consume more calories via olive oil than any food in my diet.

So you're, Are you vegan?

I don't use those words.

But you don't eat meat?

I don't eat meat. I do consume collagen, peptides, but the, the whole argument around Paleo, carnivore, vegan, I just don't buy it.

How do you maintain muscle relying protein?

So I do 130 grams of protein.

Per day and shakes or.

Yeah, it's pea and hemp protein.

Okay.

Lentils, edamames, beans, collagen, peptides. But yeah, my muscle mass is in the top 99th percentile of all men. Wow.

How many of these guys do you see on the Internet that try and do something like Liver King right when he had his face, that are just trying to promote this stuff? Like, can you call them out right away and be like, that's bullshit?

I try not to call anyone out. I just say measure your biomarkers and share them.

Yeah.

Because whatever you want, do whatever protocol you want, I don't care. Whatever your ideology is, great. Just test your body and report it out.

Do you eat fruit?

I do a lot of bear a lot of berries, blueberries, raspberries.

Do you have your girlfriend on the same regimen?

She's like the, like the 80%, the 20 to get the 80 benefit.

You might be with her for a long time.

Exactly. She's. It's taken her a few years, like to roll through. She used to eat a lot of. She used to work at McDonald's and she actually ate McDonald's. But she's. She's made a lot of life changes. This is.

Did you ever eat McDonald's?

I did, yeah. As a kid.

What was your favorite?

You know, all of it. As a kid, As a, you know, teenager.

Like McDonald's or Burger King.

Oh, you know, the Whopper was a. After a while, the Big Mac gets old and you want to do the Whopper. Well, what's going on?

No, this is just famous for that question.

Yeah, you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is there something that you thought would work but didn't ever.

Some of you tried on yourself so many things. We did this therapy trying to rejuvenate my thymus, which is this gland right behind your sternum that takes care of your immune system. We did human growth hormone and we did it for 100 days. It worked. Regenerated my thymus, but it gave me a whole bunch of side effects. Like I messed up my lipids and had intracranial pressure. I did plasma exchanges. So my. So you guys probably heard I took a liter of plasma for my son.

They took his blood.

Right, right, exactly. Yeah, plasma. So the origin of that is that my father called me and he was. He said, I'm experiencing cognitive decline, which is Scary. And he said, I will do anything to have my wits about me. And so we were looking at this new therapy. There was a paper showing that a young mouse and old mouse had been sewn together. They shared a circulatory system. And the young. The old mouse got younger. So there was this idea that if you take fluids from a young mouse and put into an older mouse, that it would rejuvenate. So I did this with my dad, and when I did with my dad, my son's like, hey, I'll do it as well. So we made it like a family thing. The cool thing is, my dad, it dramatically improved his health, so it lowered his speed of aging by 25 years equivalent for six months. It had no effect in me, though, because my health is pretty similar to my son. Whereas my dad is. Is, you know, not as good as health. And so. So it's. It's very, very experimental therapy. It's because it has a. It's going on in a bunch of trials right now, but that's one experimental thing I did where it didn't work, but it did work for my dad.

So your son. For you, it didn't work.

Exactly.

So do you continue that with your dad, too?

We haven't. I've told my dad I'm willing to, like, if he wants it. People think it's weird, but, like, there's, you know, millions of blood transfers every day. It. It's a very common thing. People get people, you know, actual organs. So it's a very common practice that.

I mean, this stuff's just so new too, right, that it's like. It sounds crazy, right?

It's. Well, the one thing I think about is how, like, you're investing everything into this. So how cautiously do you move now from, like, being afraid of an accidental death?

Yeah.

Like, do you go in the car?

I do. That's the scariest thing I do.

Do you get scared going in the car?

Yeah, I know the risk profile. Yes.

Driving high.

Right. And now. Yeah, I'm more scared from other. By others, though, because I know everyone's on their fucking phones.

Is that the biggest accidental death? Fear is being in the car.

Yeah.

Is there anything else?

Planes.

I feel safe and play. I'm a pilot. Oh, wow. Yeah. So flying is so safe.

What conversation led you to get to this deep into everything that you're doing now? Like, was there a conversation when you first started, like, with someone or like, what was that switch? Because there's always a switch.

Yeah. I did a thought experiment. I imagined Being present in the year 2500. So a few hundred years from now. And I imagined being there listening to them, and they're looking back in time at us in the early 21st century, and they're saying, amazing that they did blink. And I thought, what would they say? Like, what would those guys say about our time and place? And I thought they would say, like, that's when humans gave birth to super intelligence, and that's when they figured out they weren't going to die. Obvious. In the same way we look back at the 90s, we're like, yeah, the Internet was born and you ended up breeds E Commerce and E Commerce builds. We see these things as obvious of like, this natural build process. So what's obvious to them that wouldn't be obvious to us today? So that was like, yeah, that sounds like it's right. Like this is. We're the first immortal generation.

It just seems like there has to be something else you're doing. It just. That's just how it feels that we don't know about outside of what you've told us. Right. How many people have come to you and been like, just rich people out there? People out there like, hey, can you help me live forever?

Oh, yeah. Every week I've got some of the world's most powerful people who come through the house.

Anyone you can name?

I never talk. I never talk about them because, you know, they're doing a thing. But no, I mean, like, it's. It's wild that I started doing this a couple years ago and people were like, who is this oddball? What's he doing? And then over the past couple years, we've. I've gotten. We've got a lot of credibility. And so now people show up and they just want to know, but they have no idea. What, like, literally, people think that wealthy people have it figured out. They do not. They're just as lost as everybody else. So I spent time. I usually get a group of like 10 or 15 people. We'll go through the whole house. I'll walk them through what works, what doesn't work, and get them on the right path.

So what was the light thing you said you do in the morning?

Oh, it's called 10,000 lux. So when within, like.

So that's not red light? No, because everyone thinks red light get in the sun right in the morning.

Yeah, that's.

This is different.

Exactly. So. Right. To get your circadian rhythm locked in. There's so many benefits of getting light in eyes when you wake up within 15 to 30 minutes of waking up, you want to have light in your eyes, either from the sun or from a 10,000 lux device. And so if you just.

That I never heard of that.

It's just. It's basically like. It looks like this almost. Yeah, it's a very similar pattern, but it won't damage your eyes.

So what you just, you look right into it.

You can just have on the periphery where it's like basically just tossing out light. So you can be doing your morning routine, like brushing your teeth and, or reading or making your breakfast, and just have a presentation and that will lock in your circadian rhythm.

I feel like the major thing you're going to see when these people come through is they're going to have to stop doing a lot of what they're doing and completely change their life. And that's not going to happen in most cases. Right, people.

But anyone can do that. Anyone can. I mean, not anyone, but you can. I think anyone can improve their sleep a little bit.

You're going to have to do nearly everything that you're doing if they're trying to achieve the same goal.

So the thing is though, people do what other people do. So when it's normal to go to bed on time, people go to bed on time. When it's normal to exercise every day, when it's abnormal, when it's weird to vape, when it's weird to drink alcohol, people won't do it. So it's just once the cultural norm changes, everybody will change. So it's just. That's what I'm trying to do, is I'm trying to normalize. Don't die like that. Of course, like, why would we want to be sick? Why would we want to feel shitty? That's stupid. Like, that doesn't make any sense.

Do you ever get sick?

Rarely.

When's the last time you got sick?

Probably a couple, like two years ago. I. I traveled with my son for the holiday and he had a cold and so I got it.

Were you pissed at him?

That was fine.

You can't. You don't have time for that.

Yeah, exactly. He.

What if your son said, hey, dad, my whole life I've wanted to go skydiving for my birthday. Would you do it with him? No way too much risk.

Yeah. And I don't want to sprain an ankle or twist a knee or something.

How about cage diving with sharks?

So I actually, I have done some pretty. So when I sold my company branch of Mo and I did some. A bunch of adventure Stuff. I drove a dog sled in the Arctic. I did. I went to an active volcano in Iceland. Like legit plated at lava. I did. I raced cars in the Moroccan desert. Like a few things like that. I really enjoy adventure a lot. Those are all pretty, pretty safe.

But what do you, what do you do now besides your routine that like I'd say is just different? That makes you happy or like normal? Like do you watch any tv? Do you watch sports, anything like that?

That's just.

You still do the normal activities like, or is it completely different?

I'm probably pretty normal on. I, I don't drink, I don't watch TV before bed, I don't stay up late. But outside of that, pretty normal.

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How much did you say this takes up of your day, your routine? It's five hours.

Yeah, I mean for me it's a full time job because I'm trying to be cutting edge. So my morning routine is five hours. And then throughout the day I'll do like, for example, today. You see all these boxes here on the table? I did. I did. Over the weekend, I did 5 grams of psilocybin or magic mushrooms.

Oh, yeah. You did that recently, right? Yeah, today.

You did it on Sunday.

The chocolate.

Five grams?

No, just. Just mushroom powder. Yeah.

Wow.

Five grams is a shit ton.

No. Yeah, it's two milligrams shy of a heroic dose.

So you were full tripping.

Yeah.

Did you do it here?

No, I did it in a different state, but I live streamed it. What? Yeah.

How did that go?

It went really well.

Dude, that's a huge.

Where'd you go? What was the vibe?

So what I did. We live streamed it and then.

We.

I had a bunch of friends come on that might. Some of my tech friends came on, so I was tripping and they were talking about psychedelics and tech and stuff like that. Hamilton Morris came on. You know, he did the pharmacopoeia. Okay.

He's.

Of course. Yeah. And then he came on and was hanging out, and then Grimes did a DJ set.

Oh, my God.

Which was crazy. Good. Yeah. You had a good time. This is crazy.

This is.

This is impressive.

Yeah. There. Were there. Up one point. There was a million concurrent streamers.

Would you stream it on.

We did xig. YouTube.

Wow. Streaming on Mushroom Sense. Would you rereading the chat?

No, no, no. I was doing my thing, but. But it was. People were so. People are awesome.

So what do you think about psychedelics?

Yeah.

Did you see that new documentary, like, about the. The veterans that are going to that spot in Tijuana, Mexico? Yeah, that was a crazy documentary.

Yeah.

So what do you think about psychedelics and where that's headed?

We're testing them for a longevity therapy. So for. There's the idea, like, there's an idea that that ketamine or MDMA or psilocybin can be used for PTSD or depression or anxiety or, you know, something like that. It can.

MDMA isn't. That's Molly.

Yeah, exactly. It's in trials to be treating like some kind of disorder. So there's the idea that psychedelics can fix broken things. And so we're now testing. Can psilocybin be a longevity therapy? So if someone's. If someone's rattling off their stack and they're saying, what do you do for your health? It's like, well, you know, go to bed on time, I sauna, and I do psilocybin. That it would be a commonplace thing. Like, instead of doing a cold Plunge. Psilocybin's part of your daily protocol or part of your protocol.

I didn't know Molly would be in that category, though. So we're at ptsd. You could pop Molly and go to, like, Tomorrowland.

We haven't shown it yet, but we're, we, this is. We measured 249 biomarkers on the mushrooms. So it's the most quantified psychedelic experiment ever. And so we're testing to say what happens to the body, the microbiome, the brain, inflammation. We're testing all these biomarkers. So what you see in the table is this morning we tested 149 biomarkers. Post my treatment on Sunday. So we're saying, like, after doing this therapy, what happens to the body?

And what were the conclusions?

We'll see. We'll get the results back.

Wait. I have a question about the shrooms, because when I've taken shrooms, I feel terrible the next day. What was your last.

What did you do last?

Shrooms? Miami. 11 little chocolates with a couple other things. But you can't mix.

Yeah.

Yeah, but even when I'm just taking shrooms, like, I feel terrible the next day. So you didn't have any of those side effects?

Feel that bad.

Right.

Well, my, like, my stomach hurt. I had a little hangover kind of from it.

Well, you also. What's in the chocolate? You've got sugar.

Oh, that's true.

So, yeah. And there's a lot of toxins and, and so there's like, if you want to control it. So this is pure psilocybin powder. Also there's this concept people talk about set and setting for psychedelics. So they talk about like your mindset going into it and your setting. Right.

So important.

Also your body set. So body set is this new idea of also relevant is how well you've slept, did you exercise? Are. Where's your inflammation in your body? What's your diet like? And so body set. And so I went into this experience with really good health markers. And so there's a, there's, there's a possibility, like, for example, if you didn't sleep well the night before, that could have a negative, negative tilt on your experience.

So, so you got to really go prepared into a trip.

And so then if you have pure psilocybin and you are well rested, maybe exercise, you've got some, you know, your good diet, good nutrition, maybe your experience would be very different.

I wonder if there's anything you can do with sleep, like, let's say you get five hours of sleep. But is there something you can do to have the same effects where you got eight hours? No, there's nothing like that.

You can cold plunge and get that you basically when you cold plunge or critic cryo, you snap yourself out of that. So there's nothing there that lull but it gives you like two or three hour pump to get back down, right?

Yeah.

Coffee gives you some kind of boost and you take it back down. You just can't fix lack of sleep.

What do you think about the health benefits of ketamine?

I did ketamine actually with my brain interface company. We measured my brain on ketamine. So we did this under a study.

So what do you do? You hook up like stuff to your brain?

Yes, it's in my office. It's like this basically this helmet, bike helmet, you put in your bed, your head. We built it. It took us over $75 million to build this.

And that's all self funded or.

Yeah, I put over 60 million in it. Yeah. Wow.

For the helmet and the. Yeah.

To measure your brain. So we, we measured my brain 30 days before during ketamine and after ketamine and what we showed was really cool. No one had ever done the study before is when you do ketamine, it opens up this therapeutic window where your brain is in these fixed patterns, these fixed thought processes. Like think of your brain like a globe with, with airports all over the place. The traffic between New York and London is a high traffic hub. But New York to some smaller place in Nebraska is a lesser travel hub. When you do ketamine, it scrambles the hug the hubs so it, it releases like this, this default structure where things loosens up your patterns. So that window's like two or three days and then the patterns start coming back and forming, which is why there's a therapeutic window. So what we're testing on psilocybin is it's potentially a stronger way to lodge your pattern, to dislodge your patterns, so you feel extremely youthful and childlike. When I did this, I felt like a kid. When I.

When you did ketamine?

Uh, no, I'm sorry. Psilocybin, it had a stronger effect than, than ketamine of dislodging my patterns. Cuz as a 48 year old you start to get pretty ST in the way you think and feel and act in your responses. But it just took me back to a childlike state. So we're looking at that kind of thing.

But do you still even like enjoy the high or feel the high if you have the helmet or like it's all study based.

Yeah. I mean, I was laughing uncontrollably for most of the sessions today and I just couldn't stop.

So you had the helmet on while you did shrooms?

Yeah.

And you said, like, were you, like, did you have to just lie down or.

I did one when I started, one at peak and the one afterwards.

But like, what setting were you in with the helmet?

You were in a room.

Okay.

Yeah. We did a bunch of other tests. Like, I did a saliva test, I was spitting in a tube. We did a thermal map. So we were looking at my thermal imaging. So we did a baseline when I started, then we looked at my thermal map when I was peak. And you see the blood flow changes dramatically. So the, the body pushes all the blood to the core. So you get really hot in your chest and throat. Your face changes thermal patterns. You. Like you and. Which shows emotions. Like the nose. Yes. You see, you see like signatures of joy, arousal.

I'm pretty interested in the helmet because it's like, this is a one of one, right?

Yeah.

So have people hit you up and want to get the same thing?

Yeah. You want to see it?

Yeah, I really do, actually.

Can you grab kernel just. Just unplug it and bring it in without. Without it plugged in? Yeah, it's badass.

You don't get scared of this thing being 60 mil in the crib and people around knocking it over or something?

We have. I mean, we have quite a few of them, but this one. Yeah, it takes like, it's like, it's.

Like 30, couple 60s.

30,000 to manufacturer. 35,000 manufacturer.

Do you think psilocybin is going to become more accepted in society? Because it's not legal, is it, right now?

No, it's still a schedule one substance. Yeah, it's legal now in.

Yeah, just looks like a bike helmet.

Exactly. It's legal in.

How much is this thing worth?

This costs about 30, 30, 40,000 to manufacture. So the way this works, that could be like a.

You should wear. That's better than wearing a watch. Wear that to the club.

Yeah, I know if that.

No one else is going to be competing with me. So if, you know, helmets in there.

You could do this and get a brain age score. So you wear it for seven minutes, you watch a little video and it gives you a brain age.

Which tells you what exactly?

The age of your. The brain age. Sorry, of your functional brain age. Yeah.

You swear for seven minutes and watch a Video. Yeah, we should all do this.

What? Sure is that.

I think we should. Maybe we could talk after. We should do a whole milk video with Brian.

I would love to see all on our main body. Jimmy in the helmet.

This is the thing. Yeah, so, so this is one example. So what I normally do, like we ask like, you know, when rich and powerful people come, this is what I do. So I help them understand. One, you can measure biological age. You can measure age of your skin and of your brain, of your heart and etc. And then once they get that intuition then they connect that when you do blank thing it either increases your age or slows down your speed of aging. And once people make that connection it's.

Like ah, can I hold it or not?

What's your brain age?

Yeah.

So it depends on when I do it and what therapies I'm doing. But somewhere between like 32 and 45.

Is that where you want to be?

I'm always trying to drive it down lower.

My only question on that is like if is that that's just age. It has nothing to do with how much knowledge you have.

Right? That's right. Okay. Yeah, basically you can, because if you think about this intuitively, if you have an 80 year old 2 year old next to each other, you know who's 80, you know who's 2, right. First by their size, but also by the skin quality, you know, by their mobility, flexibility. So if you now start narrowing to say 79 year old, 3 year old, 8, 78 year old, 4 year old, you can measure biological age. So you can look at an 80 year old heart and a baby's heart, they're different. Different cell structures, different function, different, you know, capability. So you can basically measure biological age of your entire body.

I want to get a knowledge helmet.

Yeah, that's what we need. Yeah. What's that?

No, to see what your brain is, knowledge wise.

Yeah, exactly. To score you on. That's cool.

Yeah. Not just your age.

This can test you for example of your, your intelligence, on language, on reaction speed, on language fluency. So you can get scored on a whole bunch of different metrics on like how well is your brain and where you rank according to your, your age.

Group reaction speed score. A good one. I could see like athletes using that and stuff. Yeah, that could be good for studies. What else do you have in here? Any other cool.

So many cool things. Yeah.

Anything else that's quite like that. That's just no one else has.

Everything else we have you can buy generally out there in the market. This is the only thing, because I built this because I'm really interested in the idea of humans merging with AI. That's just like the thing that's happening right now. And so I thought.

You think that's a good thing?

I think it's like, no choice. We.

That shit's so though. No, I mean, are we not. Were you gonna do that?

Yeah, I mean. I mean, are we not merged with our phones already?

I know. I've seen Elon Musk say, just like the download speed's not the same or whatever, the upload speed, but you also have a choice to, like you said, put your phone away at night.

Yeah, yeah.

Like what? You would get a chip in your brain?

Certainly. Yeah.

But then you're just.

That's a huge gamble. What if that chip takes over you when it's safe?

Yeah. Like, so when the surgery's safe, yes. There's issues, there's questions of what the company does and all that kind of stuff. But yes. I mean, if it's safe, augmentation, of.

Course, you got to know who's controlling that chip, all that.

I feel like, certainly.

When do you think that's going to be like, a thing?

Brain stuff is really hard. So Elon and I actually talked about building a company together. When he went down neuralink, I did kernel. I went down non invasive. He went down invasive. So he's doing. He's sticking things inside the brain. We evaluated that. We decided through non invasive. So we want it to be outside the brain so everybody could do it. It'd be easy to acquire data, pair it with AI. So just different approaches, but we're both probing the brain to try to create a link between humans and AI for improved learning, improved diagnosis, improved awareness. For example, we're doing a study right now predicting depression treatments. So if you are depressed and you're considering doing SSRI or TMS or what therapy do I do? You can wear kernel and get a prediction score on which things you'll be responsive to. So that's under study right now. We also are studying mild cognitive impairment. So people. When people start having neural degeneration, you can. It's happening in the brain far before symptoms arise. And so this would show you have cognitive degeneration and even when you don't have symptoms. So that's really good. You're like, okay, now I know I need to do these following things and be mindful of that, people.

The chip thing, though, when that rolls out, I'm out.

Well, that's what I'M saying I'm.

No, I'm out. Humans are gonna, like, I'm going to an island. I'm going to, like, Asia somewhere. Like, I'm not. I'm not being a part of that.

What I will say, crazy is people are obviously always fixated on you trying to live forever. But you can do so much positive things. Like if you could do something for depression, where you wear something like that on your head for 10 minutes and it changes you, whatever.

Exactly.

That'd be huge.

Exactly.

So why do you ever think, like, maybe I should put more focus on that? Or you're strictly.

That's all I talk about. Yes. Like, we're riffing on this, like, futuristic stuff. All I talk about, go to bed on time, eat well, exercise, avoid toxins, you know, do these therapies. Don't do these therapies. I talk about the most basic, immediate things. Because, for example, like, the. The biggest thing somebody can do for their health is to kick their bad habit of eating a lot of food before they go to bed.

But don't you think that's like the. The whole goal? Because people. There are people that just aren't gonna be able to do that. But if there's like a alternative and you can wear something like that and it still gives you those good side effects, they don't need to change their habits.

I mean, that's. That's ozempic, right? The GLP1s. Like, if you have a pro. If you have a food addiction problem that's impossible to solve, a GLP one solves it.

There's a lot of negatives with those epic, isn't there?

I mean, I microdose it.

Okay.

Yeah. I mean, the. There are some side effects. Like, for example, the dose I'm on will raise my resting heart rate by two or three beats, which is a big deal for me. But the benefits are great. So it's. It's for. It's like the GLP1s are the first legit longevity drug. If you look at the overall effect on society, it has probably had a bigger consequence on society than any drug of his class.

Positive. Those people, though, everyone hates on it, right?

Why should.

Like, why hates on what? Ozempic.

Yeah.

I personally have my own thought on it. I don't like people that are on Oz Epic that sell this. Like, I was disciplined, got in shape story. And I think you have.

You should.

If you're gonna sell that, you have to say, hey, I was on Ozempic.

Like, oh, yeah, yes. You know what? I mean, yeah, I mean, so there's like two different things. It worked. You're just saying how they pitch it to their, to their friends, right? Like, yeah, but it still worked.

Yeah, we have a, we have a buddy and it's like, dude, you got to just admit that you're on that shit. Like I don't see you in the gym.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know what the shame is. Like, there's no shame.

I just think. Yeah, there are people that don't have. And I think this is a problem either people do have access to Ozempic that don't think that they do.

Yeah.

But they're out there doing stuff the old school way.

Yeah.

In the gym, discipline, all that.

I mean it's an amazing drug. Like what else out there? There's just like nothing that rivals its efficacy. Yes, there's side effects. You have to be mindful about that. And it's not a free lunch, but man, it's amazing.

So you suggest that everybody microdose it a little bit.

It's not too far off. I mean there probably are exceptions too, but I'm, I'm as healthy as a person can be and I still benefit from GLP1s.

Just because it suppresses your appetite or.

No, because my dose is way too low for that.

So what does it do on a low dose?

There's other metabol effects. It has good neural protective effects, like it has a lot of and that we're still discovering. But yeah, there's still effect healthy effects for me.

What, what like, what are those effects?

Blood glucose. Like if you look at my blood glucose, I'm in the 99th percentile for 18 year olds. So when you compare my blood glucose management to an 18 year old, I'm better than 99 out of 118 year olds.

For example, you talk about the, like the live stream. You do it for content. Have you ever thought about like bringing in somebody who's on a. Maybe let's say they're, they got a five year lifespan left and just trying to change that. Doing anything for someone like that.

Yeah, man, we have tried that so many times. The, the thing is like once you pull in somebody else, it gets so complicated.

Why is that?

Because will they be compliant? It's like the Biggest Loser, right? That, that show that became very popular, you, you just kind of like own their psychology. So when they start having challenges and difficulties, can they be compliant? Not compliant. Will they have this and that issue? It just gets, it's a rabbit hole Complexity and you're just chasing these issues forever. So we've tried so many times to like make a Biggest Loser style approach of this.

It's just so hard because the people don't want it.

Well, it's just. It's legal complications. It's like the person's preferences. It's like the risk of things going wrong. So I wish it was easier. We're actually talking to a company now of doing a TV show where we go into people's homes and just outfit their home for longevity. Basic things like get rid of plastic, don't microwave plastic. You know, get a water filter in there, get air quality under control, have routines like when lights go off in the house, get red light in there versus, you know, LEDs. So, like basic things like that people could. That's much lower risk. Yeah, I like that.

That's great. Yeah, I want.

How about plastic water bottles?

So there was. So there was a study that came out that showed that water glass water bottles have more microplastics than plastic water bottles. So this is the thing where when you look at the data.

That's hilarious. Shadow Ashton hall, by the way, was that Ashton hall preaches the Saratoga bottle. The glass one.

Yes.

It has no plastics or whatever.

Okay. Yeah. So funny is the microplastics don't come from the glass. They come from the lid and it's the paint that goes in the lid and then it chips off. And so that's why it's very counterintuitive. You think plastic water bottle made of plastic. A glass water bottle made of glass. The glass has more microplastics than the plastic water bottle. So this is why testing is always the best thing to do on all things. It's very dangerous to have assumptions that.

So how do you drink your water?

I have a. In the house. I have a reverse osmosis water system.

And then when you go, like if you leave the house, what do you put it in?

Yeah, if you take certain can. Like we packed water. This. If it's like a day trip, if we go somewhere, then we just deal with what we can find. Like if we. If a place we're going to has a reverse osmosis, great. If they don't, we just do our best.

Do you wear AirPods?

I try to do wired wire.

Is that actually a thing?

So what's the difference?

I like wired. Anyway.

I want to know that there's a difference between the wired and.

The evidence is not yet there. So people. There's a lot of people who focus on EMF, AirPods, stuff like that. I don't know how the evidence is not compelling enough yet for us to really look at this, but people focus on it because they can control it if they think they can and it makes sense. But yeah, I think the evidence is not there yet to have a strong opinion. So I try to be careful but it's.

Do you use ChatGPT?

I use all the models, yeah.

Do you have a person that you talk to or do you do the typing? Just curious.

Both. Yeah, but I use, I use Claude, Gemini, GPT, Grok. So I use all the models and.

Just for like simple questions, if you, that you might not even have the answer to, they'll answer for you.

I use them a hundred times a day. I mean it's non stop, it's like all of human knowledge is at your fingertips so you can just ask endless questions. So yeah, I'm always engaged with the models.

What's a supplement you think everyone or most people should take?

The one you're most deficient in?

We're mostly like the deficit.

So getting a blood test.

Exactly. So the answer is basically if someone's looking for the kill shot, then the kill shot is knowing what they're deficient in. Like they may be low on vitamin D, they may be low on something. And so to find that out it's best to get a blood test and then you can, then you can really tailor it. Otherwise like my company Blueprint, we just do all the basic stuff everybody gets on a daily basis. Like everyone benefits from creatine, everyone benefits from vitamin D supplementation. E, you know, there's something like glycine. So most people think that longevity is very personalized, which it is, but it's. Most of it's not. Most of it is the same stuff. Everyone does well with sleep, everyone does well with exercise, everyone does well with vegetables. Like most everyone, like very rare exception, they wouldn't. So most things we have in common.

Talking about like physically, like let's just say athleticism, where do you think, like do you think you feel like your 18 year old self or you're at that level? Like if you were to play basketball you could play at the same rate as you were 18.

Yeah, I mean my cardiovascular ability is, is, is better than I think 92% of 18 year olds. Like my body's ability to use oxygen is better than 1890 of 18 year olds now like are my joints age 18? No. Right. Like I've got cartilage breakdown, I've got calcification so could I move like an 18 year old? Probably not. So again, this is like the idea of, you know, you could be entirely 18 and have ears of a 64 year old. You can correct for some things, but not all things.

Just talking about this, I feel like LeBron's doing some of this stuff because he's 40 years old and he looks like he's 20 out there.

Yeah.

So I think there are more common things that people just don't. He might. He probably doesn't preach it, but he's got to be doing some of the same stuff you're doing.

We, I mean, I know what everyone's doing. Like, we're in a very small community. The key is if you stay on top of it, you just have to be ahead of it. You don't want to be chasing it. So you want to be at the beginning of your career doing the right stuff, do the right stuff, avoid the wrong stuff. But if you can, stay on top of it, the body's amazingly resilient. Like the fact that I. I trashed myself for my entire life, literally, like as a kid. Sugar, cereal, sodas, you know, never prioritized sleep. Did the entrepreneurial thing, grinding for a decade. I was depressed for a decade. Like, I trashed myself. And if I can do that and then stop at 42 and then bounce back this hard, I mean, my biomarkers are, you know, on par with an 18 year old on many levels. What's that, 42? 48? 48, yeah. Wow.

I don't know what the rate is, but, like, for depression, going off of, like your routine, if there's other things that cause depression.

Yeah.

Is it for people that have internal things that you can't help, Is there a solution or something they can do outside of your routine that can help them?

I said I do try on mental health stuff. I try to focus people on the basics and that it's hard because when you're depressed, the last thing in the world you want to do is go to bed on time and exercise. You don't. You want to eat garbage stuff. You want to just be lazy. Like, I've been there. So it's really hard. Also, the most powerful medications is high quality sleep, exercise, and a good nutrition. And then if those things can't deliver, then you can think of secondary things. But SSRIs have really poor evidence. They're only. Which are what? So SSRIs. I think the evidence only makes sense.

What are SSRIs?

Oh, sorry. Typical antidepressant meds.

Okay.

Yeah. I was going to ask you what you think about like antidepressants, Adderall over prescribes. It seems like.

Yeah, yeah. If you look at the evidence. Right. I think they only statistically make sense with the effect in more severe cases. So most people are on SSRI when they shouldn't be when the evidence is not as good. TMS, there's, there's a new protocol called the SAINT protocol which is really good that has like an 80 recovery rate of treatment resistant depression. So that's cool. So yeah, TMS is great.

I just remember when I was in like middle school and there was a kid on Adderall and I'm just like, this just doesn't seem long term. Like it's gonna be beneficial for you, bro.

Exactly. Yeah. Like pilling things up is a tough one. Like as a, like Americans reach for pills as a first line of a defense and it's just not a good move. We should go to, we should be going daily habits as our first line of defense. Then if that doesn't solve it, it makes it easier when other people are doing with your friends. Again, like it's all about our friends, friends and family. When your friends and family are doing something, you'll do it too. So stuff about changing the culture.

What's your opinion on like DMT and those type of psychedelics?

So 5 Meo DMT just got, got a breakthrough status approval by the FDA for treatment of depression. So they buy a tie. So that also is on a path for treating a disorder. So this is the thing is if in one lane it's going towards treatment of fixing problems. And then my lane is do they actually work for anti aging?

Right.

And so if you, if psilocybin, if we can show interesting data that psilocybin has potential anti aging effects, that would change the conversation. Whereas right now it's trying to go through a legitimate process of FDA stamp your approval. Then there's like the underground world of people doing mushrooms for party purposes or whatever the case may be. If it were a legit longevity therapy, it would just change the conversation around it.

And do you think the findings are kind of starting to show that it's positive? Not yet.

There's early data in mice studies and also human cell studies that are as promising. But I think we'll need to have more conclusive evidence. But I mean, it's promising.

What do you think drug companies are scared of? Psilocybin and stuff like that? Like why aren't those drugs legal? But the stuff that's not working. And everyone up. That's legal, right? And prescribed.

I totally agree. It's crazy, right? Like we have basically anybody can sell poison in society. You can make fast food as awful as you want it to be. You can sell cigarettes. You can like all forms of awful. You can, you can sell porn. You can sell endless scroll. Like you can sell stuff that makes people miserable, sick and. But you know, if you want to try to make, you know, heal yourself with something, you can't.

Is porn bad for anti aging?

Yeah, you probably shouldn't do porn.

What? How does that affect anti aging?

It has negative effects on your brain. Yeah, you. You probably don't want to make porn. It's like porn is kind of like vaping. It's not a therapy. And say it's not. Can be addictive. Yeah, exactly. Like you, you just like it. If you're listing out like the 10 best things in my life, they don't qualify for 10 best things. Like they kind of make you up. You're like, not the version.

So people use that as therapy too. The same way as like, or quote, unquote therapy.

Yeah, Anything that controls your behavior you don't want to do.

How about sex? Great sex is good for what?

There's no overdue.

What's the science behind that?

Like, how does sex is great? Yeah, yeah, we love sex.

But how does that affect, like, what's.

The science behind it?

I mean, so one is, is there's benefits for orgasm, there's benefits for connection.

What's the benefits of an orgasm?

So I think the evidence was something like dopamine. So the men had lower.

This is interesting.

No, I know.

Lower prostate cancer risk if they ejaculated something like 21 times per month. Thereabouts, if I remember the study. Right.

21.

Wow.

Okay. You need a steady chick for that. Yeah.

So when you get 21 knots, when you want to have a kid, as you get older, how's that gonna work when you want to procreate? If you're age 100, are you still like, good to go?

Yeah. So right now my, my fertility markers are better than 99 of 20 year olds. And so if you look at how.

Do you control that?

So for example, I've been doing a sauna pro. So a few things. One is getting all the basics right, like sleep, that exercise. I've been doing sauna. So a dry sauna. That's on it right over there. So it's the best dry sauna. 200 degrees Fahrenheit and then you put ice on the boys. So if you.

In the sauna.

Yes, if you.

Wait, wait, wait.

So walk me through that.

Yeah. So just get like a toxic free BPA free, toxic free ice pack.

Okay.

Put on cotton underwear.

Okay. And cotton shorts and stuff it in your.

Stuff in between your underwear shorts and get, you know, one or two. And so it's fine, you don't feel it, but keep them cool.

What do you mean you don't feel it?

It's not that ice. I mean like you're 200 degrees, so.

Like, you know, probably feels kind of nice.

Isn't that kind of like cold plunge too? Or is the cold plunge not cold.

Enough so it could.

How long do you leave it in there?

The whole time. So I did an experiment with. When I did sauna without ice, so they were heated up as much as my body, it demolished. It wrecked my fertility markers. So it wrecked it by 50%.

So when you're not in the sauna.

So with, without icing, when I did ice, my fertility markers boosted. They're now again like better than 99 of 20 year olds. So yes, in that case, like apparently a 48 year old can be as fertile as a 20 year old if done well. Now how far can we extend that? We don't know. But hopefully new technologies would surface where we could get you get better.

So sauna without ice on your balls actually increase. Decreases your fertility rate?

Yes. So no man, even if you're not trying to have kids. No man should do sauna without ice on your balls.

Yes, if you're trying to have kids.

No, because you. There's never a situation where you want bad fertility markers, even if you're not trying to have kids because it has negative feedback loops.

Like, so wait, I'm sorry, ice is for kids and no ice.

So you will always want ice.

Always one ice balls, always.

Because if your fertility, if your fertility markers take a hit, it has a negative feedback loop in your body. So it's a bad signal for the body. You want to be robust always. Even if you're not trying to have kids. If you're done having kids, fine. You still want to have ice.

Does that like increase your testosterone too?

Has a whole bunch of hormonal. Hormonal feedback loops.

Oh God.

Always.

Always Enough to bring a cooler to Equinox, bro.

This is going to get, it's going to be a problem at public gyms.

Yeah, so just talk, talk to those guys. So I actually talking to the, the CEO of Equinox the other day. I should tell him this. They should have a. A way for people to do this.

Like, what system would that be? I mean, you kind of got. Just got to do it yourself, right?

I can't put those back on a shelf or anything.

For sure. I know. Yeah, I know. I'm with you. Yeah.

You got to get your own. Everybody brings their own.

Maybe you just keep ice by the entrance and you stuff your stuff and.

Then you go and how long are your sauna sessions?

20 minutes.

20 minutes. So you think cold plunging for like six minutes, is that kind of also give that same effect or not really, because it's at different times.

Yeah. So it's a good question. And we don't know. I don't know why my fertility markers improved dramatically. I don't know if it's because the sauna or because of the ice or both, but something made it. And then also the other thing I did on fertility is I. I lowered the amount of microplastics in my ejaculate by 87%. So microplastics are a major problem. We all consume a lot of microplastics. Microplastics get stored in the brain, in all the organs and your blood. And so when I started doing this protocol, my microplastics and my semen lowered by 87%.

Wow.

And like, it's a bad. Like, you don't want to have microplastics in your semen. It's not good.

No, you want to have something.

So this is like the first, a first ever experiment. Nobody in the world had ever tested microplastics in blood and semen. So people. There was a few studies where people tested microplastics in semen. Every single sample had microplastics. Wow. Every single sample. So our, our success was first in world demonstration to lower microplastics in the semen and blood at the same time.

That's interesting. Cold pack on your set.

Yeah, but how does that, how does stuff like that even cross your mind? Just like, you just try something out and you're like, hey, this guy has to be beneficial.

This is why it's cost so much money, is I have a team, we just follow all the evidence. So we go out there and we say, like, what is. What is known about this topic? What are the gaps? What can we test as a hypothesis? And we just measure, like, our key thing is we measure everything. So people, like, they're up until now, like, no one's measured microplastics in their ejaculate. Who's Doing that, you know, like. Yeah, there was a study and I said it, but like it's not a common thing. So we just do uncommon measurements which allow us to have uncommon insights.

How many like people do you have on your team researching this?

Small. It's like five of us.

Oh really?

You'd say you have the strongest team out there.

We have a good team. Like we're definitely doing things like in the psychedelic experiment. It's the most measured psychedelic experiment in history. We just produced today. We just showed a thermal map of my body and my face. First ever demonstration. So yeah, we're doing cool stuff.

Do you have any other tests like upcoming, like the magic mushroom one coming up? Yeah, we have endless, like anything crazy you want to talk about?

They're all still in development right now. One thing we're doing is spicy foods. A lot of spicy foods.

Good or bad?

No good.

So yeah, yeah, I love spicy.

Tested as longevity therapy. So we've got that one spun up. We'll do that one probably in January, February when I'm done with a third dose of psilocybin. We, yeah, we have so many things we're doing all the time so like just lined up after.

What about hair loss?

Yeah, so the protocol for that is I, with my company Blueprint, we've got some stuff. So you want to be on 7% minoxidil thereabouts. Like the basic, that's like real gain. Like that's a basic thing that you want to do. Red light cap therapy, you know, six minutes a day. Then we, we created a product with a bunch of peptides and growth factors. And then if you want you can do oral minoxidil. So I do 3.5 milligrams. I do not do finasteride the oral because it's very complicated. But that's my hair stack.

Very interesting stuff.

Yeah, this is, I'm so. Yeah, this is very informative. I just like to learn. So this is crazy. Trying to think.

Has anyone gone through like your routine on video with you?

No. My co founder Kate, she did this as a female. She did it for 90 days. She did the full on thing, all the diet, exercise, everything. And we. She has a video about that. It was cool to see her biomarkers dramatically improved. Even, Even as a 27 year old, her biomarkers improved, which was cool to see. But no, no one else has done what I've done. I mean like again like I'm. It's not reasonable for anybody to do what I do. Right. It's Just like it's too much.

We've had Gary Brech on. I'm sure you know who he is. And one thing he does is he can kind of predict how long people will live. How advanced are you there? Based off of someone's blood work, can you kind of predict how long they have to live?

You can do some rough calculations. There's like some good open source models to predict that you could definitely take out cause mortality calculations. The more data points you have, the better your modeling. But also you can change it a lot by behavioral changes. You can move your biomarkers quite a bit. So I just say like, no matter your situation, there's hope. There's like reason to. Even if it's just feeling good the next day, there's reason to like once people realize that health is good. It's such a weird thing to say.

Well, I wanted to say I like was going through clips and I see a lot like there's people say a lot of negative things about you.

Yeah.

Ask you, you got to be a vampire. Like that. But everything you've said you've backed up with evidence.

Yeah.

So not enough people like talk about everything you claim. You back up the.

The private circles that I care about, which is like the, you know, the most powerful people in the world. They. I do get points for credibility. Like they come to me as, you know, one of the most credible people in the world around this on. In social media you're just gonna have.

That noise because you're documenting everything.

Yeah.

And the, the effects of everything.

And it's because it's like it make people. It's. It's good business to say bad about me. Right. It gets clicks. So like there's incentive for people to have and it's. Honestly, it's fine. I'm totally cool with it. It's just part of the process. I'm. Brian Johnson is a normal dude in 2035. He's just.

Why do you always go back to that year?

I just use it as like a placeholder.

Right.

He's weird. In 2025 because the world think you're.

Ahead of the curve.

Right? Exactly. So in time people will be like, oh, we appreciate this guy. Because he was actually onto something. He was cracking like they were saying all the stupid stuff. So I'm just writing out this happens in history constantly. People see something clearly. They do. It inevitably happens. Everything changes. They're like, oh, thank you.

See it on social media too.

Exactly. So it's just very. It's very predictable human Behavior.

You talked about toxins in your clothing and stuff like that. Do you ever think about, like, dropping a clothing line or opening your own restaurants where people can go and feel better?

Yeah. So we do have fresh foods. My company, Blueprint, we deliver that. We looked into a clothing line, but it's like the worst business ever.

Is it really that big of a risk? Like, what I'm wearing right now?

You. You don't want to be wearing synthetics. It's just not good. What do you really.

So where do you shop then?

Just cottons. Yeah, just try to. Try to do mostly cottons. Cottons, hemps, bamboo. Is that right? Bamboo. Like, try to avoid the synthetics.

Is there something different you use to wash your clothes?

Yeah, we try to do this with everything. So we. Everything. Yeah. Toothpaste, detergent. So there's endless things to try to figure out. So we try to be very mindful. Like everything in this entire house, we try to be extremely mindful. Yeah.

I was going to ask what's like the. Would you say is the just out of the norm habit that you've picked up on where we would be like, yo, what are you doing? But it's. It's a health benefit for you.

I'm so normalized to this, I can't even see it anymore.

Yeah.

Like, I can't even see my own weirdness.

Okay, so you did have bamboo toilet paper.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I tried it. It was nice. But if you go.

You took a shit in there?

No, I did a test wipe.

I've never seen that before.

So I did do that.

Yeah.

I'm just letting you know, I wouldn't shit in your house. Yeah, but, like, if you go out in public and you have to go, you stay away from it.

No, it's fine. You just talks toxin exposure, like, you know, you want, for a, for example, deodorant, you want to avoid aluminums. You know, so there's like, this is like a basic list that you want to avoid toxins on your body.

So conventional deodorant's bad. Like Old Spice or like, if it has aluminum.

Yeah. You want to avoid that. Do you want to. But you want to have a non.

Aluminum and everything excessive, everything we use.

I feel like when you realize this.

That'S why in American success, like we've traveled to Russia, like we went to Dagestan, and even, like, it's pretty much impossible to eat bad there.

Yeah.

Because everything's freshly grown.

Yes.

You know, but here it's so much harder.

Exactly.

Because, like, there's fast food everywhere. Everything that's being sold in stores is bad.

You nailed it.

It makes it so much harder.

So going off what he's saying, is there a certain place in the world where it would make sense for them to live the longest based off their lifestyle?

Yeah. A friend of mine is building up. He's written this book on the best places to not die. So he's mapped out geographies on a whole bunch of different vectors, which is where he has a whole book about it. Different regions around the world.

Probably Asia.

Right.

The oldest lady's in Japan right now. Right.

I'm not sure but he looks.

We were just there and I think the oldest lady, 120 author. No, we tried to.

That's cool.

I wanted to, but it was tough.

She's probably not mobile, is she?

I don't know. A lot of those Chinese monks and stuff, right?

I'm not sure. I haven't seen the list of the oldest people and what regions they are. Those. Yeah.

I feel like it's gonna be weird at one point if you're out, like you're out at the club and you're talking to a girl or talking to a guy and they're mentally 150, but physically 25. Yeah, that's gonna make things a little interesting.

I think the future is gonna be a lot weird.

That's gonna be weird. Like who's that old coach that's dating like that 20 year old girl?

Bill Belichick.

Belichick. She's like, is there gonna be like 150 year old dating like a 25 year old?

Probably for sure.

Yeah, exactly.

They're all going to be like CEOs and stuff. They're already doing it just a little bit.

Oh my God, dude.

I think the future be really weird.

It's going to be so weird.

I think when you guys about your, your disposition towards brain chips, I bet you're going to have a different opinion. Like I think now. No.

Well, that my fear is like, I know you're going to need it to compete in society, but like I think.

People are going to rush to do it.

The government then can. Can just control everyone too.

But maybe we have controls against it. So I don't think people talk about brain chips because it's a nice way to fill the conversation. They want to, they want to take a futuristic concept and drop it and say like that's what I'm talking about. But I think the, the real future things will be different than that. Like Ozempic. Is an insane technology like a brain chip.

Someone's going to control it. So it's like you're pretty much.

Ozempic is like a brain chip. It, it eliminates your, your, your, your desire to overeat.

Like there's benefits you control.

When you put the Ozempic in your.

Body, you control your hunger with a, with an injection. That's crazy. And hunger is like a natural part of your biological existence and you can just turn it off. It is the craziest technology that's accessible to everybody. That's what I'm saying. Like it is like a brain chip.

Level change, but that you're still in control of it.

Yeah.

Once you have a chip in your brain, that means. So I think you're not in control anymore.

We'll have more things like that. So the brain chip is a placeholder for saying like future cool stuff. But other things are coming, like gene therapies and other, other things like Ozempic, which will be equally as badass. They'll just be manifest in other like injections, pills, therapies. Yeah.

I just think that people are gonna rush to do the brain chips and they're not gonna be like fully ready and something bad could happen.

That's inevitable.

Yeah, but it's gonna be interesting what happens to that first person where it turns on them.

Yeah.

Gotta live stream that. I can't believe you did a lot. Have you live streamed before that?

No. Well, I live through my first dose but I didn't live stream me tripping. I live streamed up until the dose and then I just did photos and so yeah, so I have. My next dose is in another month so I need to figure out what I'm gonna do for that one.

You're gonna have the dose though?

Probably the same I did. I did 25 milligrams of psilocybin, the first one, 28 milligrams second. So maybe 30. But yeah, 20. It was, it was really strong. Like it. I had to lay down.

I couldn't do that. No way.

So where can people find all this stuff? Blueprint.

Yeah, I mean I'm on all socials, so I try to publish everything. X IG, YouTube. Each channel is a little bit different, but I try to freely share everything I learned with everybody. So I try to make it very accessible, understandable, actionable, awesome.

I mean this is very interesting. I really enjoyed this.

We got to do something after this.

For sure.

Not like today, but soon.

Yeah. What are you guys leaving here today thinking?

I mean, I don't know how anyone can hate on it. You're kind of using yourself as like a test dummy, essentially. And. But you're also documenting everything you do, and it seems like everything's based on, like, facts and, you know, the results of the experiments.

Yeah.

I think there's a lot of people that don't want to live forever, so it is interesting that you're really taking it upon yourself. But the other thing I really think is important is like, the lack of sleep for people. Even I have it. And just kids growing up is so important. And if there's a way to, like.

It'S tough for people that, that work and have kids. Right. Like, they're working, they come home and they got to take care of the kids, put the kids to bed, wake up, take them to school. So it is tough. Yeah.

You think the perfect time to sleep is 8 o'?

Clock? No. Everyone has a different chronotype. Yeah. So some people do very well at 11pm midnight. So you seem to find out what your thing is and stick to that. It's all about what you're. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you have genetic dispositions towards a certain time.

Yeah.

So it's just got to be the same time.

Everybody. Yeah. I love going to bed early, waking up early. Some people really thrive. The thing I want to be clear on is my, my shtick is not immortality at all. My thing is don't die. So the whole thing on this is, I'm saying the essence of this moment, like what's happening on planet Earth right now, on in this part of the galaxy, is we are giving birth to super intelligence, a form of intelligence that will be likely superior to us in all things. It's an absolutely insane moment. And when this is happening, the only thing that matters is that we don't die.

Why?

Like, that is the most. That is the strongest biological instinct in our existence. Nobody wants to die right now. It's not about immortality. It's not about five years from now. It's not about 20 years from now. It is right now. Nobody wants to die. And so the thing is, what I'm trying to say is, as humans, we're kind of crazy. We, we, we commit so slow death, suicide, by doing all these bad things to ourselves. We are doing bad things to our planet. We do bad things to each other. We're in this phase where we are a violent, we are destructive species. And I think we're gonna mature past it. We're gonna get past it. We're like, that's. Why would we Ever want to die? Why would you things make us die? So my ideas are crazy. According to 2025, again in 2035, I think this will be very normal. Of course, the objective of our intelligent existence is don't die. And once you secure your existence, then you go out and play your amazing games. But we're in this critical stage where it's not clear that humans have a future. Yeah, we don't know. Like, do we have a future of AI? No one knows. Like, so I'm not a. I don't believe in. I'm not a doomer. But I also am not a. I don't believe in Utopia, but it's like, it's just very practical. Like, this is big, it's important. So let's not be stupid and do stupid.

I also just think it's interesting.

That's so crazy.

It's like religion too, because a lot of people with their faith want to go to heaven and now it's like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Which is cool. Like, so don't die is very friendly to religions. Like, you can be Christian and don't die. Muslim, don't die. You can be democratic, don't die in capitalism, don't die. So you can still believe in heaven. Great. But nobody who believes in heaven wants to die to get there. They don't want to die. You don't want to die. None of us want to die. So one thing we all have in common, nobody, no matter what you believe, wants to die right now. It's the one thing that unifies the human race.

Are you religious?

I'm friendly towards religions. Do I think there's an afterlife? I don't know how anyone knows that answer. Like, how is it even knowable?

You may. Yeah, it's a belief.

You can't say it's a fact, but it's a belief.

You think you'll ever know.

I mean, I don't know how you know it. Like, how do you. How do you test it?

I'm gonna ask you something. Like, how much pressure do you have? Or do you even feel pressure? Because, like, you're basically gambling on yourself. Like, let's just say it doesn't work out the way you think it is and unfortunately you pass away at 100.

Yeah.

Like, what would be the answer for that? If you have all the answers right.

Now, it's the same as now. I mean, my. I'm imagining when I get to 100, even if I'm decrepit and I hurt everywhere and everything's awful. I probably still don't want to die, right? Like, I still want one more breath. I still want to say one more I love you. I still want to see my loved ones one more time. Like, people hang on to life, right? And, like, no matter how bad the situation is, we all want one more breath. And so there's nothing more beautiful than the human instinct. We want to exist. We want to survive.

Awesome. Well, I think this is great.

This is awesome. Thank you very much.

Appreciate you.

This is very, very interesting. Thank you. Brian Johnson.

Yeah. That was awesome.

Thank you.

Yep.

Thank you.