"My Body Feels 78": Fixing Trevor Wallace's Burnout Lifestyle | Bryan Johnson Podcast
Comedian Trevor Wallace, 31 but feeling physically 78, gets tested by Bryan Johnson. His skin age is 35, his lungs are elite, but grip strength and flexibility lag. The fix: consistent sleep, early meals, no caffeine after noon, and structured wind-down routines.
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If I piece this together, like, wrist is hurt, elbow feels a little torn, feels a little lethargic. It's kind of painful waking up today. Yes, you're 31.
Chronologically 31, but physically 78.
Today. Comedian Trevor Wallace joins me on Don't Die.
You've heard his sketches, so it is a real cybertruck. If we want to take a photo. Wow.
And hurt him on stiff socks.
If I'm putting anything in, I'm putting in my credit card and CVV and I'm paying for something on the bank.
And no, he's never afraid to say exactly what's on his mind.
I hate my doctor. It's always some random physician who's in a hurry. The nurse is like sweating, she's smoking a cigarette, Being like, well, you smoke or drink? I'm like, no, but you do.
Today we're going to put his health under a microscope.
I feel like I'm doing everything wrong after I watch a video of yours.
Is he as young as he acts?
When do you shock your penis.
Or is he faking it? We are health maxing. Bdsm. Yeah. Based on all the therapies I've done, I can absolutely see that becoming a thing. Bdsm health parties. Lets find out. I invited Trevor to my clinic for a series of age tests. Later today, I'll reveal his results. We'll see how his biology compares to his chronological age and where he stands against the general population.
You fascinate me, man.
Yeah.
I think the world is fascinated by you. I feel like I'm doing everything wrong. After I watch a video of yours or I listen to you talk. I feel like I'm not doing anything right.
Yeah. You know, like, honestly, that's. I felt the past couple years, like, why didn't people teach me this stuff when I was young?
Yeah.
I mean, from your vantage point, what does health look like in the world today? Like, I mean, what do you see happening? Like, what's funny, what's ironic? Funny, hypocritical.
I feel like we're all going off convenience and it's just we're putting as much of one, we're putting as much substance into one thing. Where it's like it's a breakfast Pop Tart, but it has 20 grams of protein or it's a drink, but it's got all. Everything you need one. So it's like we're just taking. We're like making a four loco amalgamation of just like put it in one thing where. I don't know, I feel like, there's a, there's a, there's a thousand different sweet green variants. That's all.
Yeah.
LA is sweet green cava. There's that Everything is door dash or postmated. I feel like, I don't know, I, I'm not good with food. I think that's why I'm here. I don't know.
Yeah. What do you eat?
Not good.
Really? How do you, like.
Where do you tell you my breakfast?
Yeah.
Just to fire off crazy morning.
Yeah.
Today one of the wildest mornings I think I've ever had for breakfast.
Okay. Leftover pasta from yesterday.
Correct.
At a restaurant.
Homemade.
Okay.
But a stored and microwaved in plastic. Oh, no, sorry to say the P word. A little bit of butter parmesan on it next to some deviled eggs. Leftovers, Deviled eggs and butter pasta.
Yeah. 9:00am Right when you woke up?
Relatively woke up, had a coffee and.
How do you, how'd you feel after eating it?
I don't feel great.
Really? No. Like you felt lethargic?
Yeah, I, I, I don't know if it was a bad sleep. My neck kind of feels off. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying.
So, like, okay, so if I piece this together, like, wrist is hurt, elbow feels a little torn. Like, if a little lethargic, it's kind of painful waking up today.
Yes.
You're 31.
Yes. So chronologically, 31, but physically 78.
Yeah. Interesting. Like, we don't know how others feel, but like, generally, how do you feel in life?
Oh, mentally or physically?
Say both.
Wow. I, I feel, yeah, I feel like I'm a, like, the older I get, the more I like think about Post Malone's tattoo. It says always tired and I'm like, yeah, it checks out. I always feel tired. But I'm a hard worker.
Yeah.
I work 14 hour days.
Yeah.
You know, I do video stuff in the daytime, then I go do stand up at night. So it's kind of always around the clock. So when I'm tired I go, oh, it's because I'm working too much. And I used to just rely on if I can sleep in on Saturday for as long as I can, that'll reset the week. That's what I used to be able to do when I was 22, 23, but now I do that and now I'm like more tired when I wake up.
What time did you go to bed last night?
Relatively early. 11.
11. And you woke up what time?
7. And which is rare. I usually do like 2 to 9. 30. That's pretty average.
It's like 7ish hours.
Yes. Today I was actually on my health and wellness. Well, woke up, rode the peloton.
You did?
I was like, listen, I'm meeting the youngest man in the world. I need to get my heart rate in line for this.
This is in your building or at your house?
This is at my place. Yeah.
Yeah. 15 minutes on the peloton or what?
21.
21 minutes.
It was 20 minutes, but I was like, let's give an extra one.
Yeah.
Five miles, though.
Yeah.
Me and Cody Rigsby just cranking.
Yeah. Just going 8:00am yeah.
Like those days when I'm well rested, it's night. Indifference. I'm, like, kissing butterflies. Like, I am so happy. I'm like, where? Where? Why can't I have this feeling every day?
Yeah. There's a good opportunity to feel a lot better in life.
Yes. I just think maybe I'm eating not the best food or I'm eating too late, or I think I have a lot of stimulants in my life where it's like, you know, I have a coffee in the morning, and then, like, maybe a celsius at, like, 2.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
When do you shock your penis? Talking about Celsius and electricity.
Yeah. I mean, I have that device there in the clinic, so we were.
Why wasn't that a part of my test?
Well, we're trying to. You know, I'm, like, warming up. We're becoming. We're becoming friends. I do want to share. Oh, we're becoming friends. But I can't just come out and be like, also, do you want a penis shock routine?
You don't understand. I'm here for anything and everything.
I could legit do it on you.
The penis shock.
Yeah. There's actually. There's two theories on it, so you either are flaccid or erect.
That's life. Yeah.
Yeah. I was talking to a few clinicians the other day, and I was asking them which one is better? They're saying, probably the erect penis because you're getting greater tissue exposure, like, in public during the therapy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
It's a little early to be erect, Brian.
Well, this is what I'm saying. This is why we have to become friends first, because you have to slowly step into the conversation because, like, really does. And also, it's pretty painful, but it's tolerably painful. Like, you know, you're doing a good thing.
So you're into, like, BDSM stuff?
No, I'M not, but I can see making its way into that world. Certainly.
Okay. As long as it's around the right.
Oh, you can see like a. An absolute branch of BDSM coming out now. It's like we are health maxing. Bdsm.
Yeah.
Based on all the therapies I've done, I can absolutely see that becoming a thing. Bdsm, health parties.
Yeah. I'm here for anything and everything. I hate my doctor. It's always some random physician who's in a hurry. The nurse is, like, sweating. She's smoking a cigarette, being like, well, you smoke or drink? I'm like, no, but you do. So, like, I want to meet people who are real people who are like, yes, you should ice bath. No, you shouldn't do this. You should eat this, drink that. Like, the second you're like, put olive oil in your coffee. Guess what I'm doing the rest of the week. I'm putting olive oil in my coffee.
Yeah. By the way, how is that?
It's incredible.
How's it going? Yeah, it's great. Yeah. You growing up did. Was your family trying to be healthy? Were you guys?
Yeah, I was very healthy. Salad. Every dinner, my mom would make, like, a well balanced lunch for me. Nice lunch. I used to get bullied for how nice my lunch was. You ever had prosciutto in your sandwich? In middle school?
Wow, mom, good job.
Yeah. Kids were not hip to that. Yeah, I would eat it alone. I would eat it, like, in class before lunch because I would rather be the kid at lunch being like, I didn't bring a lunch. I'm too cool. But, like, I just had a. Yeah.
So being healthy is like, it's natural. It's, it's. Yeah, I think so habitual for you.
Yeah. And I've really good metabolism. I just. I don't know where I'm going wrong.
Yeah.
In my sleep could be better, maybe.
What do you make of this? Like, means I was in your situation a few years ago as well.
What do you mean by that?
Like, I wanted to feel good. Okay. I wanted to be healthy.
Yes.
And I just didn't know what to do. And when I surveyed the world, I'm like, how do you make sense of this?
Yeah.
So I understand the sentiment. And so, like, why is society like this? Like, why is it so confusing to have these basic health practices? What's your take?
Because we just kind of follow suit and you tend to prioritize work and family over anything, and you're like, oh, I'm running late. To work. Let me just grab some real quick. I'm running late to blank. Let me just go grab some real quick. Like the amount of times I've had like a slim fast and like two pieces of like bologna, I'm like, I can't be running off this, especially with standup. I don't like to eat a lot before shows, but I want caffeine. So I have you know, nine almonds in a five hour energy and I'm like, get to work body.
Yeah.
And then sometimes I feel like I'm going to faint on stage.
Do you think caffeine is needed on stage when you're doing your shows?
I don't think it's needed but I like it because if I, if, if I get off stage and I go, that was a cool show, could have been better. Then I'm in my head, I'm thinking, well it could have been better had it been more caffeine. Have had it been more like present more like wired. I like it, but it's more so like my just routine at this point.
Yeah. So I'd say listening to what you're talking about today with your shows, I'd say like I would give you a couple tips for your shows.
Yeah, let's, let's go more specific with that because I have a lot of caffeine late at night at like 9 or 10pm doing shows. I'm jacked up and I'm still writing off the shows. Endorphins.
Yes.
It's like, let's say it's one in the morning. I did a show, I had a coffee three, four hours ago and I'm still like how can I like wind down?
Yeah. Cool. See because I would say like I would imagine you doing your shows as like peak life experience where like you're, you're being the best you.
Correct.
Okay, cool. So yeah, if I were you, I would do the following things. Like one, I would say the day begins the night before at your bedtime.
Yes.
So I would say pick a bedtime. So your shows are probably like 7, 8, 9pm Correct. And so you can get to bed at what time?
12 or 1. Probably. Probably one more if we're being.
Yeah.
Honest.
Yeah. So it doesn't really matter when you go to bed kind of. There was a study that came out recently that people who didn't get in half their restorative sleep by 4am Had a higher chance of getting diabetes. It was a bigger likelihood. So if you can try to make midnight your bedtime or 12:30. Just choose your time and then be consistent every day. So plus or minus 30 minutes, that consistency is gonna help your body basically say, like, okay, we now know the routine. Every day at this time, we're gonna deploy all of our systems. Are we going to be in sync? So that consistency is really important. Two is the last meal of the day. I eat my last meal of the day at 11am so that's like nine hours before I go to bed.
And is it only one meal or how many meals you have height?
Three meals. So it's between 6am and 11am so.
You'Re cranking like a steak at 11am.
I'm, yeah, I, I, yeah, 2,250 calories. But the reason I do this is because primary digestion takes six hours. And so after that point, your body's like, mostly done with it. You still have some large intestine stuff to do. But by the time I go to bed, my resting heart rate is about 44 beats per minute, which is very low. Exactly. And so my body is basically done with the task of digesting food. And then it can say, now I'm going to allocate all my resources to sleeping. But if you eat, your body's busy digesting, which means you have less metabolic resources to sleep. And so for you, I'd say, like, just start. What time is your last meal of the day?
Now they'll probably eat dinner around like six or seven. And then when I get home, I'll have like a snack after the shows, which is anywhere from apple and peanut butter to quesadilla.
Yeah. So I'd say, like, try to keep your six or seven and then don't eat after the show.
I was just gonna say, I mean, like last meal at 11am Is that a crazy outreach? If you're trying to go on a date, say, hey, you want to go to dinner?
You can 10:45am so you can actually go on a date. So if you go out, let's say you're on a date at 7pm Just do something very light, like some steamed vegetables or like something like that, or a light soup.
Oh, that won't work up the metabolism.
Yeah, you just don't want a big load. Like, peanut butter is a big load. Carbs, like a quesadilla and cheese, that's a big load. It's like you're, you're creating these big blood glucose spikes. Right. So you're asking the body to do a lot and you're going to sleep and what's going to happen is when you do that, you're going to miss your deep sleep. So in the early parts of the night is when you get your deep sleep, the restorative, like brain cleansing sleep. If you miss it, you can't get it back. It passes. So you can't just be like, oh, I'm going to go to bed four hours later and pick up my deep later. That moment arrives. If you don't get it, it's gone. Okay. And then like as you experiment with this, try to go earlier and lighter every day. So try like a 5pm, try 4pm you're going to experience a little bit of hunger pains, but just like just work with it, just make the trade off and then see how you feel in the morning. Because you may feel a little hungry before you go to bed, but in the morning you may just feel amazing and be like, absolutely worth it.
I would do that in a heartbeat. So what do I do if I'm laying in bed at 12:30 and I go, okay, I need to go to sleep, but I still feel the effects of caffeine.
Yeah. So caffeine has a six hour half life. So if you have, call it 200 milligrams of caffeine right before your show, let's say seven by 1am, half that caffeine is still in your system. So that's 100 milligrams in your system when you're going to be. Now there's caveats, like everyone metabolizes caffeine differently. You may be fast, you may be slow, but like generally speaking, so the rule for you would be probably no caffeine past noonish. But if you nail your sleep, maybe you'll find you won't need caffeine.
Interesting.
That might be the best thing because it creates this loop, right. Where bad sleep creates more caffeine, more caffeine creates bad sleep. But if you can wing yourself off caffeine, I would just try it.
Okay.
So yeah, eat earlier and lighter. Have a bedtime you hit every single night. Try to do caffeine no later than noon and try to just lessen that. And then also a wind down routine.
Yeah. Which is no screens, dim, dim lights.
That's right. And you're basically, you're trying to, you're trying to calm your body down because you just did a show.
That's the hardest part is you're in front of literally a blinding spotlight and your endorphins are through the roof.
Yeah.
You're riding that high for a good 30 minutes after the show.
Yeah.
So sometimes longer. And it's just so hard to go from that to sleep.
Exactly. That's. And that stage light is so much blue light.
Yeah.
I spoke the other night on a stage that had that kind of lighting.
And you were like, we gotta.
I was like, you guys can turn this down. Yeah, but they, they did. Even still, my sleep lessened by like 25% with that huge blast.
Oh, is that why I have a spotlight and you don't? You guys are trying to give me a bad sleep tonight. You go, okay, I see what's going on here.
Yeah.
Okay. And then what's the best thing you can have first thing in the morning?
So wait on the window routine.
Yes. Wind down. It's night and day when I'm well rested. Creatively. I can't even say the word. You know what I mean?
Yeah, creatively.
Creatively, yes. Writing, performing, filming, it's so much better. And that's why I think now I try to cram where it's like, okay, I'm tired, but let me take some lions, man, and have a coffee. And I think that that'll supplement the lack of sleep.
Okay. So on your wind down routine, so I would imagine you get home or you're back to the hotel and you're running loops about your show. Like what you said, what you did well, what you didn't do well, that interaction with that person, the crowd, like, maybe you hit it, maybe you didn't. But you're like trying to reconcile the entire event.
Yeah.
You're trying to improve the, the jokes you missed, you know, find new ones to say. Like, you're doing your whole reconciliation of life thing, which everyone does. And so for me, what I do is I, I talk to myself and I say, okay. Like, there's like, okay, there's comedian Brian who's just on stage, and now we're going to transition to sleep Brian. And so when the thought comes in of, like, the timing on that delivery, like, was just missed because of whatever I have to speak to myself and say. Okay, thank you, you know, comedian Brian, for that suggestion. Definitely going to incorporate this tomorrow. And I'll write this down right now so we'll make sure we. We see it. But right now I'm in sleep mode. And right now we're calming ourselves down.
Yeah, I do it with my phone every night. Put it on do not disturb. So you're doing that mentally.
Exactly. Cause you. There's different versions of you. There's like ambitious you and there's worry. You and there's like friend you and there's lover you and they're all chiming in.
Yeah.
You're trying to sort through all these emotions.
Yeah. I'm always thinking about my, my exes when I'm going to bed. This can't be good for my sleep score.
Yeah.
And I text them that. I say, you're messing up my rem. Stop texting.
Stop.
I don't miss you.
Yeah, I do, I do.
But.
Yeah, but like it's like this real serious ritual where if you are your thoughts, like if thoughts drop in your mind and like the, you become aware of the thought, you're like, now I have to address this thought. Right. It's either about an ex or about work or about whatever the other way is. Just say I acknowledge you thought but I'm not going to address you in this moment. Like right now we're in wind down mode and you're trying to like breathe out the pressure.
Yeah.
And then if you do that and if you get good enough, you just lay your head on the pillow and then when you go to bed, you're not going to be so wound up on those things and you'll have a much higher chance of sleeping through the night in a restful way. Otherwise, as you know, if you go to bed wound up and thinking you're going to dream about those things all night long. So you kind of like pop in and out of sleep and you'll wake up not feeling rested because you've been in a slight sleep all night long.
Interesting. And how long does the wind down take? Hour.
Depends on the person. Yeah. 30, 60 minutes. So you can do things to combat it. Like you can go for a walk. I love reading a book, like book in hand to have. So it's when your mind has nothing to focus on, it's going to be vulnerable to these thoughts that come in correct. If you've got a book and like you're reading something, it keeps you focused, it's so much easier to calm your nervous system down, but it's like 30 to 60 minutes to get your body in a calm state. So here's the metric for you is if there's a way you can measure your heart rate, either just feel your pulse or have some kind of device like a, you know, a wearable. Watch your heart rate. So do this over the next two or three weeks and I bet you through the combination of eating earlier, taking down the caffeine, doing your wind down routine, I bet you you can drop your heart rate by 20 to 30%.
Before going to bed.
Yeah.
Okay.
When you do that, your sleep is going to probably increase by 30 to 40% in quality. It'll be such a dramatic change for you.
And what's the worst thing you can do before going to sleep? Just be on your phone.
Yeah. Eat, Be on your phone. Be in a fight, do something arousing, be anxious. Yeah, yeah. Like those things will wreck sleep.
Yeah. I got. I gotta get in my. I gotta rig it up, get some gaff and lighting in my room.
Yeah.
It's too bright. It's one one mode, no dimmer.
Yeah, yeah. Lights is hugely impactful for sleep. I'm betting honestly that if you get sleep right, then you can start chipping away at the other things, like food. And I agree with you, like, pasta is probably not top of the list things you want to eat for breakfast. Yeah. Yeah.
And that's coming from a man who has dinner at 9am yeah.
So like master sleep first, then just a few things on the diet and then incorporate a little exercise and you will feel like a different human.
Yeah. Because now I'm doing so much to make up for my bad sleep. It's like, okay, if I work out, I'll feel good for the show. If I take lion's mane, I'll feel good for the show. If I have coffee, I'll feel good for the show. And instead of just getting good sleep.
Yes.
I have a question. Was it a hard pitch to get your son's blood or did you give him your blood?
I gave my dad my blood.
Yes.
Yeah. So, I mean, what happened is my father called me and he was in a panic and he said, I have too much blood. Too much blood.
What can I do with it?
He said, I was just working on this thing at work and I wrote this. I wrote this stuff on paper. I walked away, came back and I realized it's a jumbled message. He said, I'm losing my mind. And I didn't know it. It was like he was in an absolute panic because he imagined if he began losing his mind, he would have self awareness. Like, oh, I'm losing my mind because I'm forgetting something. But he did this thing, walked away and came back. He's like, what? Like, I just did this and I couldn't see it. And so he is like, is there anything I can do to not lose my mind? And so I was like, hey, dad, we're just. My team and I were just looking at these plasma exchanges, which they're showing early interest in, like, cognitive decline. If you want to do this with me, I'm happy to give you a liter of my plasma. And so my son overheard the conversation. He's like, I'm in. Great. We'll make it a family affair. So you give me your plasma, I'll give dad my plasma.
Air dropping each other blood.
They're dropping it. So we did it.
And did you feel different?
I didn't. But not surprising. My. My biomarkers are about the same as my 18 year olds. Like, if you look at his blood panel and at my blood panel, they're almost identical. Whereas the difference between my dad and me is very big. He's 71. And so after this transfusion, his speed of aging lessened by 25 years.
Oh, nice.
It was a dramatic effect.
Wow, What a gift.
Yeah.
I would hold that over my dad's head forever.
Which leads us to. We have your results. My results from your age. So this is so exciting for me to share with you because I remember. Oh, I love this. Yeah.
Oh, God. I think I just pulled something.
Looks great.
Thank you.
All right, cool. So let's do this. All right. Speaking of lab results, this is fun. I've never, like, had a scorecard, like, revealing results.
Good.
This is good.
I'm the youngest man in the world. Brian.
All right, first skin age. Your biological age came out to be age 35.
Not good. U.S. whites don't age well.
The goal is to reverse your skin age by four years.
Okay, how do I do that? Sunscreen.
Yeah. So the sun is good for you. Like, you know, it's good for mood and for vitamin D and health. Also the ski, the sun is not free. Anytime you're in the sun, you're incurring skin damage. So it's a trade off. And so you want to find the right balance.
So if you wear sunscreen, but you sit in the sun, you still get vitamin D, but you don't get the harsh stuff.
Yeah. So I'm in the sun in the early mornings and the late afternoons, but not when the UV index is high. So that's one. All right, next one. Spirometry. This is your lung. You are in the 99th percentile. Good job.
Great.
So that means only 1% of people are better than you. So good job on that.
So what age would my lungs be?
So the way these work is it's a percentile per age. So as like 18 year olds would have a certain range. Then 20 to 30 year olds, a different range. So you're already in the highest Percentile. So it's like basically age 18 would be lung capacity. The age reader. This is looking at advanced glycated end products, like junk in the skin. Your score is 1.6. And so that is age 36.5. Grip strength. You had 111 pounds. That's. That's the bicep.
But I'm saying you gotta have good grip.
Okay, fair enough.
To lift.
Fair enough. The 72nd percentile, is that good or bad? So that means you're better than 72% of people.
Okay, what's your grip strength?
1 34.
What percentile does it put you in?
99Th.
All right, we'll go ahead and move on.
So if you increase yours, your grip strength by 15.8 pounds, you would be in the 99th percentile of men, all men. So you can do this.
How do I get stronger grip strength?
Working out.
Gotcha.
Yep. Sit and reach. Your score was 10 inches, so that puts you in the 15th percentile. So that means 85 of people are better.
I'm calling on that. Okay, Take me to the Midwest right now, and let me see anybody stretch more than three inches.
So if you increase by 13 inches to get to 23, you'd be in the 99th percentile of men. One leg stand. This is 14 seconds. This is in the one percentile. So 99% are better.
That's bullshit. That's absolutely bullshit.
Okay.
Because when I did it down there, you said, that's good. So you're gaslighting me, Brian, what's your score?
Two minutes. But, I mean, your. Your criticism is, like, taken. Is received, so.
Oh, I see what you're doing.
Like, we accept it. This is based upon a study that had a published data set, so. But, like, your point, Maybe I want.
To see these scientists stand on one foot.
Yeah. To give you an idea, 19 to 34 seconds is the range.
Oh, had you guys told me that, I would have just done that. I got bored after four.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
I would have just done, like, if that's how close I was being in the 99 percentile.
Yeah.
Easy.
Yeah. Okay, cool.
I'll do right now.
Okay. And then sit to stand. You got 10 out of 10 already, a perfect score. So there you go.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
And so now what do I walk into an equinox and just say, you know what to do, and give them this. So combining this all together, I'm 31. But on paper, what would you say after looking at this?
Biologically, you're a bit older than your Chronological age in your skin, health in, like, a few of the markers, but in others, like your lungs. Yeah, your lungs. Like, so this is the thing. This is why age is complicated. And this is what we're talking about is, like, when you look at your whole body, all 70 organs, plus your physical capacity, you realize, like, your body ages at different speeds. Right. Your brain's different than your lungs, lungs different than your balance. And so by doing these measurements, it really helps you figure out, like, where to focus and, like, it really makes it real, like, what good health is. Wow. Because you can test it now. It's just not a number.
Yeah.
So now you can put on your dating profile. Top 90th percentile for lung strength.
Yeah.
That's badass.
That's awesome.
And it makes sense. You're a comedian. Like.
Yeah, I talk a lot.
The takeaway today is I hope that you have a new perspective on what I guess your relationship to health.
Yeah.
And it's very counterintuitive because our culture prioritizes ambition and as the number one thing, and then ambition pushes out health. Right. Like, we do things that cost health in life. Like, we don't sleep as much, or we maybe are unhealthy because we do so because we are ambitious, and we want status and wealth and power and accomplishment. So health is, like, a different way of understanding our lives, but definitely makes sense. We can still be all those things and pursue those things, and we'll be better at those things if we make health our top priority and understand it through numbers is, like, the best way to do it. But now you have a stable grounding of, like, where you're at biologically to start, then you can make progress in there.
Great.
What do you think of the conversation today and doing all this stuff?
I feel good. I learned. I feel younger mentally. I'm just excited to implement better sleep in ways and just seeing how everything is structured, even from the window tent.
Well, thanks for hanging out today, man. This is a lot of. A lot of fun. I appreciate you being here. I know it's a thing to drive somewhere and do it, so I appreciate you.
Thank you.
