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In this interview segment, Bryan Johnson reflects on the early 2010s startup culture he experienced while building Braintree and Venmo, where chronic sleep deprivation and working under the desk were glorified as badges of honor. He critiques this mythologizing of overwork, arguing that entrepreneurs should view themselves as "athletes of the mind" and therefore treat their bodies and health with the same discipline they apply to mental work. Impairing oneself through extreme, self‑destructive habits is presented as foolish and counterproductive.










