Winning At The Net Game of Sports & Life No Matter The Score - Episode 60 w/ Jordanne Scott

Was it first love? Like, I mean, was it like a love thing or was it a learn to love thing?

Yeah, it definitely was a learn to love thing. I think in the beginning, just as an athlete in general, everyone understands, you know, you're super competitive and you, you want to look like you know what you're doing. In the beginning, I didn't know what I was doing, right? I was learning a ton really quickly and I started as a freshman in high school. And so everyone was, you know, a couple of years in and knew what they were doing and I loved how, like I said, with the gymnastics, it was the spatial awareness of it, right? I knew how to jump and elevate my body and figuring out those angles. I just kind of got obsessed with it. So I learned to really enjoy the game once I had that IQ. Hmm.

Yeah, I think that's so important. And I think some people think that people just love their sport right from the beginning. And like we've had previous guests on that said like, you know, they didn't like to run, they just wanted to win. Right. So that's what got them into track or whatever. Like they were winning. But then when somebody was like, okay, we want you to do these intervals and workouts. They were like, ah, does not compute. Don't like this. Right. Like the drills and stuff. So I think it's important that people know that it's not just loving your sport. That's the key or working hard at your sport, but it's like sort of learning to fall in love with the process of being good at something and knowing that that's not always a natural thing. I'm excited for you to see this week's episode, but before we get to that, I have a message for you. If you're a parent of an elite athlete or a coach of a high-performing team and you want— you're looking for some help or assistance with making them more mentally resilient, perform with more confidence, be more consistent, anything like that, then this is for you. I have an 8-week program all designed to address exactly that, to help your athlete be at their best on a more consistent basis and not get tripped up by those little voices in their head and getting down on themselves for mistakes, but performing like we know they can. So what I want you to do is don't delay, schedule a— just grab a time on my calendar through this link, and let's set up a time to talk about your specific situation and how what I'm offering in my 8-week program can help. Okay, so it's Brynn Drescher, www.brendanroddenhouse.com/freeconsultation. So click this link, grab a time on my calendar. I look forward to talking to you. And now on to this week's episode. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome everyone back to another episode of the Mental Advantage podcast. And as usual, I'm excited about my guests. I mean, you know, I know you guys are like, you say that every week, Brynn. Well, I think they're really awesome people, so get off my back. But anyway, so this week I have another powerhouse person from the world of volleyball. So we had Taíba Henrique Park, who was an Olympian, and now we have Jordyn Scott. How are you doing today, Jordyn?

I'm doing great, Brynn. Thank you so much for having me on.

I am so happy to have you. So Jordyn, tell the people a little bit about yourself. Where are you at in the world? And What sport do you play? I mean, I said it, but just in case they didn't understand.

Yeah. So I am currently out of Minneapolis, Minnesota, originally from Indianapolis. Played volleyball all throughout high school and college and then on to professional ball.

Nice. She's a professional, y'all. That means she got paid to play ball. That's what's up. Okay. That's what we're all wanting to get to. I mean, I think my days of being professional as a ballplayer are done, But fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed.

So tell us, because I always think of athletes as like superheroes, and I know they're just regular people and we also need to humanize them. But in the interest of origin stories, was volleyball the first sport you picked up?

No. I'm from a huge family, and my mom always pushed us to find as many interests as possible. And we were all just super athletic. So I started off as a softball, softball player. I played tennis, I did gymnastics. I was actually a gymnast for 6 years of my life. So that was kind of the foundation. And I thought volleyball was a perfect combination between gymnastics and tennis.

Huh, interesting. Now, can you tell everybody how tall you are?

Yeah, I'm 6'2", so as a gymnast, they had to raise the bars very high. And I decided at the age of 13, it's probably time to throw in the towel.

Yeah, exactly. Because I feel like they try to tell you, like, maybe this isn't the sport for you.

Yes, they said that all the time. They're like, so are you done with gymnastics? I'm like, no, I love it. I can keep going. And then I was like, all right, you guys can't raise the bars any higher. And my feet are hitting the ground. So this probably doesn't work.

This probably isn't going to work. Yeah, so, but it works obviously in volleyball. Interesting that you said a good combination between— I mean, obviously there's a net in tennis, so I like the, the parallel, but I was like, huh, I never really thought about it like that. But yeah, I suppose with the jumping. And so yeah, so now I'm going to think of volleyball as gymnastics tennis.

Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome.

Yes, this is a new reframe for all you volleyball players out there. You guys are actually playing two sports. You think you're playing one, but you're not.

See? Ah, gotcha. Okay.

So fantastic. All right. So you said that you like tennis, you played all the sports, your mom supported it. Tell me how exactly, like, I mean, obviously you were encouraged to go out for a lot of sports, but did someone tell you like volleyball is the thing? 'Cause you know, a lot of people like push basketball, you know, to basketball, right? So was someone telling you, you maybe should go out for basketball or how did you, did you naturally go to volleyball or was someone, a pivotal, you know, part in that.

Yeah, so, and throughout my middle school career, um, I was of course dabbling around, and I tried basketball. I did. I tried. Everyone was like, hey, you're tall, basketball's for you. My dad was a basketball player, and I tried it out. I loved shooting. Like, I loved being out by myself and shooting. It was the contact part that I just wasn't having. So when it came to basketball, it was just a little too physical for me and really sweaty. So volleyball, it kind of kind of morphed into volleyball because I had my older sister play volleyball in high school. Okay. And her coaches, of course, would see me at the game like, hey, you're going to come out for the team when you're freshman year? You're going to come out? I'm like, yes, I will come out for the volleyball team and see if I like it. Yeah.

So now, obviously, when you have that sort of pressure coming at you, and I mean, like you said, you said you see if you liked it. Was it first love? Like, I mean, was it like a love thing or was it a learn to love thing?

Yeah, it definitely was a learn-to-love thing. I think in the beginning, just as an athlete in general, everyone understands, you know, you're super competitive and you, you want to look like you know what you're doing. In the beginning, I didn't know what I was doing, right? I was learning a ton really quickly, and I started as a freshman in high school, and so everyone was, you know, a couple years in and knew what they were doing. And I loved how, like I said, with the gymnastics, it was the spatial awareness of it, right? I knew how to jump and elevate my body and the figuring out those angles, I just kind of got obsessed with it. So I learned to really enjoy the game once I had that IQ.

Yeah, I think that's so important. And I think some people think that people just love their sport right from the beginning. And like, we've had previous guests on that said like, you know, they didn't like to run, they just wanted to win, right? So that's what got them into track or whatever. Like, they were winning, but then when somebody was like, okay, we want you to do these intervals and workouts, they were like, ah, does not compute. Don't like this, right? Like the drills and stuff. So I think it's important that people know that it's not just loving your sport, that's the key, or working hard at your sport, but it's like sort of learning to fall in love with the process of being good at something and knowing that that's not always a natural thing.

Yeah, absolutely. I definitely would say that in the beginning it was, I became obsessed or like started to love that adrenaline rush of when it finally clicked. And I got obsessed with the process. I was like, oh my goodness, it finally clicked after the 100th and 150th time. I finally got it. And that adrenaline rush, that rush was what I was loving from the beginning.

Nice.

Nice.

So your position in volleyball, just are you a libero? Are you a blocker? What's your title there?

So with volleyball, I kind of moved around. I started off as a middle blocker. And for those of you who don't, do not know the sport, it is your, your role is to block. You see a lot of middle, middle hitters that are really tall, right? I'm 6'2", so I was pretty tall in high school. You know, you see a lot of big girls that get up there and jump and they swing really well, but it is a blocking position. And so when I moved to college, when I ended up going to the University of Cincinnati, I got moved around, so I was a right side and then I became an outside by the end of my career. Yeah.

Now, since you talked about that and having like coaches kind of see your role differently, and this is being the mental advantage, and I was going to ask you about the mental game in general, but what's that like? Because I know that when players get to know themselves as one position, it can be quite a change for somebody to say, okay, I know you were middle for like this many years, but we're going to put you on right side. What happens to— what happened to you? Or, you know, if you want to speak in general, what you observed through that process.

So when I moved from middle to right side, I absolutely loved it because it put me in a role where I could get more balls and I knew I was a good attacker. So I love the idea of getting now, you know, 20 swings a game. Or set as opposed to 5 swings a set. And that was a huge change. And I love that. So I really embraced that position, especially as a right side. It's still— you're a dominant blocker because the outside gets the majority of the balls. And I was always head to head with a blocker. So it really did fit me. So that initial change, I loved it because I saw what my coach was doing and I was totally on board. But I can, I can speak to the fact that when I moved to the outside, I didn't feel that way. And that was really difficult mentally for me because all the confidence that I had developed in that middle position and then moving it to the right side and kind of blending both worlds of wanting to get more attacks. When I moved to the outside, I then had a new role that I never got the reps in. So I think it was really important in that position to have a coach that was nurturing and really just feeding me a lot of positivity and encouragement and really helping me through that role. And I had teammates at at the time that were really uplifting me, so it made it a lot easier. But I will say mentally it was very difficult. But I think you learn as a, as a player, you are a puppet. Like, you are a piece of the, you know, the team that has to work together to execute, right, to win. So, um, you do have to put your pride aside and just embrace the role.

Yeah, absolutely. So You mentioned before gymnastics and tennis, which though gymnastics is a team sport, you're largely competing on your own and equally in tennis, right? Unless you're doing doubles, but you know, you're out there by yourself. Was there an adjustment for you even though you, you know, like you said, you had to get the IQ up and all that to like, wow, my results are not just dependent on me anymore.

Yeah, actually it was beautiful going from individual sports and like only depending on myself to having this like energy or this team morale that was so uplifting. And also you just felt supported the whole time. And that was new for me. And I did, I will say like I ended up getting more attached, right, to teammates, to certain teams that I was playing with because you felt that personality or that energy shift between player to player. And those moments when everybody was like on the same brain, brainwave, that's when we had like beautiful seasons. And I, I love that. So I really embraced a team environment. It was new for me and I loved it.

Yeah, I love that, that the way you described that. Yeah, it's just like, cuz you get to feed off of other people's energy. And, uh, another guy on my podcast, he kind of described it though as also like you can only control what you do. So it can sometimes be disempowering in the opposite direction, but I like how you took it as more empowering. And like, it spurred me on. It helped me like, you know, really see the brilliantness of cohesiveness. Did you have any captain or leadership roles in that process? And, or what do you think makes a good captain or the leaders on the team when to help you guys get on that same or one accord?

Yeah. So I actually, of course, starting as late as I did in high school, I ended up being a captain by the end of my my senior year, and I loved being able to go through that process of seeing captains before me and what they did, and then kind of stepping into that role because I was still learning a ton about the game. So my senior year of high school, I was the captain, and I have to say, every person has a different approach, and I wanted everyone to just really get along and work together and feel heard and listened to, which I thought was very important. But also, I had to learn in college how to push, how to start holding people accountable, not only holding myself accountable and being a person that is, you know, leading by example. But I also had to learn different people, different players, you know, different personnel and their way of being pushed and the best way to push them. To be the best version of themselves. So you do take on a lot as a captain, understanding who's on your team, what you need, and how to get them there.

Yeah, absolutely. I love that. You know, it's so, it's so important, like, to really— you spoke really well about that situation, about learning what motivates or helps people, like, get to where they want to go. Because when I was a manager, not in sports, I wasn't actually a captain in my track team.. But I don't think I knew this, you know, then it was kind of like, I think I always had the same mentality, which is I do it, so you should do it. Like, that's, you know what I mean? Like, how I show up is how you should show up.

Yeah. Pretty simple. Yeah.

And that made me a terrible manager. Like, I mean, I got results, but did everybody like me? Do you know what I mean? And so that was a lesson I had to learn the hard way, which is just like, everybody doesn't— isn't motivated or inspired to do things exactly the the same way. And so that was a great lesson that I needed to learn. So it's, but it's good that you, you know, cuz you were like a kumbaya type at first and then you're like, that, that's not necessarily gonna, you know, get the numbers. Everybody likes me, but we're not performing.

So absolutely. And I will say it did change in my collegiate and professional years. I experimented a lot more. So just in that high school world, I figured out pretty quickly in college, I did have to learn a lot and fail. But sometimes you do, you try to step into, you know, the shoes of other, other captains that you've seen, and it doesn't necessarily fit you. And I did try at times to push people harder than they probably could have been pushed in that moment or should have been pushed in that moment. And I had to learn that as well.

Yeah, well, it's good. And you're speaking really well, you know, you're, you're speaking of something super important, which is We got to learn from our mistakes, right? Like, I wouldn't be the coach I am today if I didn't go through that experience as a manager in my job. You know what I mean? Like, thinking because I was an athlete and, you know, it was all about like, you just do the workout, right? That's what you do.

Like, yeah. And everybody— you learn.

Yeah, exactly. So you make your first employee cry and then you realize, you know, and I'm sure you had teammates that probably had some moments.

Oh, yes, I did. Okay.

So I want to know, I'm going to—

I'm sorry.

I'm going to go there. Jordynne, tell us about the time that you made a teammate cry and what were, what you don't have to tell the name or anything. We're not going for anything and exposés here, but like what was going on prior to like that you thought this is what needs to be done. And then like what kind of like happened as it was unfolding?

Yeah. So this was in, this was in Germany, my second year in Germany. So it was actually my third season abroad. And now that I'm playing professionally, I have not only different personnel, different cultures, different languages. So the complexity just increased exponentially. Right. So I had a girl on my team at the time, and we started off the season with so much energy. We started off the season super positive. This happens a lot, right? Within the—

Right. Everybody's psyched in the beginning. Right.

Yes, let's go. And we started off playing one of the hardest teams in the league and we lost by 2 points in a game to 5. So in volleyball, as you move throughout your career in college and professionally, you're now— it's now the best of 5. Well, we went to 5 sets that first game and we lost by 2 points. So it was devastating. We were so close. We were right there. And then unfortunately, that started this snowball effect of losing, right? Because you gave all your energy, like you put everything into it, and then you felt deflated, right? So we were probably 4 games in to this losing streak, and I wasn't having it. And I was one of the captains, of course. I was just not having it because there were things that were happening in practice where it's like, okay, you let it slide once, you let it slide again. Oh, you didn't try in that moment. Well, This fifth game, everything just went like it just imploded. We imploded. And it got to the point where on the court we exchanged some words. And essentially what I told her is just don't even try. I will play the ball. Don't even try to look the part. Stay away from the ball. I'll play it. And of course, that ended up going into the locker room after. And we were all— there's so much adrenaline. There's so much going through your mind, your body, right? We're playing at, it's 11 o'clock at night at that point. You're depleted, you're tired. So we went into the locker room and I just told her, I was like, if you don't want to be here, don't be here. And so of course that then led into a conversation because I was one of the captains with the coach and herself. And I apologize. In that moment I decided, I am going to continue to lead by example. But it's interesting because I love having, you know, a good coach, right? A good coach that's supporting you through that process. Because even though what I said in that moment really hurt her feelings and I wanted to acknowledge that her feelings were hurt, the coach was like, we needed that. You know, we needed that moment of like this, the kick in the rear end. For us to then end up playing really well that next game. So sometimes those moments are pivotal.

I agree. I, uh, this is not a sports analogy, a sports example. Once again, I guess I don't have any examples of me crying in sports, uh, but I'm like, was I always winning or was it just like, I don't know, I don't know, or did I not care? I don't know. But, um, when I was in AP history in high school, my teacher and, you know, kind of made me cry. I mean, it was like his goal to break us down, but like to get us to wake up to like who we really were. But like, I did so well in that class because he took the time to like remind me who I really was and like what I was holding myself to a standard. And so I think it's important any captains or any leaders of teams that might be listening, or if you're coaching a team to really know how to be able to, like, like you said, that coach definitely sort of lead that captain to say like, I can acknowledge that this hurts you and it may not have felt good in the moment. And, you know, what can we take away from this moment, right? Like, you know, because, yeah, I mean, you can't always protect someone's feelings when some messages need to be said, done. Of course they can be delivered with more compassion, but in the moment, like you said, like sometimes it's just not possible, or at least not as let's say not possible. That's not a fair statement. Uh, not as, um, not probable. Yeah, not, not very probable in the moment. Like, as much as we want it to be, like, the way— like, I want to be able to say this, like, you know, kind of like Tom Hanks, like, there's no crying in baseball. Yeah, but you know, like, right? Yeah, it's just like, this is hard, you know? But, um, But I think that's, that's true. And like you said, you learn through that process, like, how can I have that, you know, firm hand, but also, like you said, with the tact and the compassion to a degree, but also, like you said, having a coach that can support it and bring it around and kind of say, well, that's what we needed.

We needed to wake up. We need to, like, you know, we needed that wake-up call. And it really, it taught me so much about, um, delivery, but also timing. Yeah. Right. And having difficult conversations before they get to that point. Yeah. Right. So as a captain, I took it as my responsibility to then hold people accountable from the beginning as opposed to letting those things slide left and right and then having this huge blowup.

Exactly.

Because we didn't have the conversation. And so it ignited the conversations that needed to be had., which I totally appreciate and then learned from.

Excellent, excellent point. All right, so I know we've made a leap to the professional world, but I want to go back. Um, you said that you went to Cincinnati, University of Cincinnati. Um, I know one of the things— and you, you reached captainhood your senior year, congratulations. Uh, how— of your high school career, and then, you know, obviously you've had leadership roles throughout the rest of your career. When you're deciding, you know, to make the leap from high school to college, um, what was the factor in you choosing the school that you chose? Yeah, let's just use that, that question right there. Yeah, I have other questions.

Okay, we'll get to it. Yeah, I have to admit it wasn't a pretty process. You know, I, I started late in the game, like I said before, but I got a lot of interest really quickly. So within the first 6 months of me playing volleyball, I had already had a Division I offer, and that was just like, what? Like, what, what's happening? Like, this could be a thing. I could go somewhere with this. Like I was just trying to have fun. Yeah. So, so with that offer, of course, within that excitement of the offer, I was like, absolutely, I'll do anything. Like, absolutely, I'll do it. I'll move forward. Well, then of course, learning a little bit more because I just didn't know what I was getting into. My parents had never had a kid go to college and, you know, play. So this was all a new experience for all of us. And I ended up decommitting from that university. Within, you know, another 6 months, right? When I started to get more letters. And back then we got a lot of letters. It's not, you know, social media. It's not, you know, all electronic. But, um, yeah, kids, a letter is something you get in the mail.

Um, it's delivered by a guy called the mailman. Anyway, sorry, I just want to bring them up too.

Yes, yes. Um, so I started getting— receiving more and more interest. And through that process, I ended up committing to Georgia Tech. Uh, and I was super excited, went down for my official visit. And I think everyone decides on their collegiate, you know, their, their college differently, their, their collegiate experience for different reasons. And for me, it was understanding that the coach and the team was gonna be who I was going to be around 95% of the time. So that was extremely important for me. It was crucial. That I really respected and loved the coach and the team and what they stood for. So Georgia Tech was my number one option. Well, the coach got fired a year later, which changed everything. And at that time when the coach got fired, you know, it basically released all the recruits, you know, the incoming or the potential incoming freshmen. So I ended up going with Cincinnati, who I had turned down, of course, to take that Georgia Tech offer. But the beautiful thing about that experience is when I got off the phone and turned down the Cincinnati offer the first time, the coach said to me, if anything ever happens, we're here. And it just kind of sat with me and I was like, oh, this is so hard because I love that team and I love this team. And so Long story short, I decommitted from Georgia Tech, the second university that I was committed to, and then ended up going to Cincinnati, which was perfect because it was only an hour and a half— an hour and 45 minutes from home. Oh, nice. And so my family was at every single home game and traveled with me as much as possible. They were truly a part of my college experience.

Oh, that's wonderful. See, right, and that wouldn't have been the case in Georgia, so it's like, you know, I think that's the thing is to recognize everything happens for a reason, right? And you hear Georgia Tech and it sounds like such a big name. And I mean, since he's got, you know, I don't know the world of volleyball, but you know, obviously since he's got a big, a pretty good reputation in basketball, but it's like, you know, it doesn't mean it's lesser of a university, but some people might think that way and then be like, oh, I'm going here for sure. And then it doesn't work out, but it's like the best thing for you.

And a lot of people don't see it that way. Yes. So, so I always encourage all kids to just trust their experience, trust your process, because it will happen exactly how it's supposed to happen.

Yes, absolutely.

Okay.

So you played in Cincy. What was the biggest transition between high school and college like for, like, volleyball on the high school level and volleyball on the college level?

Yeah. Oh, what was the biggest transition? First of all, going from, you know, top 50 recruit in the country to you suck at volleyball my first game. Like, that's how I felt. And, you know, I wanted to go to a school that I would play. Like, I didn't want to sit the bench for a while. I wanted to start right off the bat. So I asked for the experience, right? So it was a really— it was a kick in the rear end going from high school to college because it was just so much faster. It was a faster game. I was a middle blocker. I played middle all throughout high school and then my first 2 years at Cincinnati. And it's just a faster game. You're all over the place. You feel like you're in the way. And then you have the captain of your team as your setter pushing you, which was great. And I was like, am I good enough? I don't know. And she's like, yes, keep going, keep going. Right. So it was quite the adjustment in terms of in terms of how fast the game was, but also time management, right? Um, you're now on your own. You are, you know, in a new city. I was in a new city, new team, new expectations. And, um, you know, waking up at 5 o'clock in the morning for morning practice, going to school, then coming back for afternoon practice— like, it was just a lot more volume volume, a lot more volleyball. And then the expectations in the weight rooms changed completely because I was just kind of lifting in high school. And then I went to my first lifting— actually, we, we went early, so we started in the summer. So starting in the summer, went to that first weightlifting session. He kicked us out. I think it was just everything was just so different. He, like, the whole freshman class had to come in together because it's like initiation. They're like, we want to get you guys up to speed. Um, so every, like, in every area of my life, I— everything was changing, and in a good way. And there were just higher expectations, and it was a lot, but it was, it was such a good time. Like, of course it's funny to talk about now, but in that moment it was very overwhelming.

Yeah, I bet, I bet. So speaking of that, because, you know, it's the mental advantage How did you handle, like, um, well, one, how did you handle it? Like, what helped you, right? And I know you mentioned the captain, like, pushing you, but secondly, was there any talk about the mental game at any point along the way? Because I know that it's not something that a lot of coaches do talk about other than get out of your head, stay in the game, like, you gotta, you gotta be mentally tough, like, those kind of lovely pep talks.

But was there actually any support for So my freshman year, we didn't have much support other than the girls that were around me. So you really just learn to rely on your team in terms of like what they're experiencing and like kind of bouncing it off each other. There wasn't a lot of talk my freshman year. The biggest thing that I got from my weightlifting coach, who I absolutely loved, was, you know, get your mind right before every rep. Get your mind right before every run, get your mind right before every practice. And that was the one thing that stuck with me and also has stuck with me throughout my whole career and has evolved the more mental training I had or the more mental support I had throughout my career as well. So my sophomore year, we did have some mental trainers that had come in and we did some assessments and there was a little bit of like like, let's, let's figure out who you are as a person and let's start respecting each other and who we are as people. We did the DISC assessment. They came in and, um, but that was really all we had. We didn't have someone to really talk to. We didn't have like a counselor or anything like that. So I did end up reaching out to some support for like a counselor the end of my sophomore year just because it was available to us. Yeah. And But that was on my own terms. You know, that was something that I wanted to try out.

It wasn't promoted by the staff is what you're saying.

Yeah, got it. No, not in any capacity. But I will say my way of moving through that mental side of things was in my junior year when they brought in someone who talked about visualization and imagery, and that changed my career because I was like, what? I can like start seeing how I'm supposed to be moving and like start feeling how I'm supposed to be feeling in the game. And that will translate, that was the spark to my mental game. And that was also the spark to meditation and my process of how I ended up approaching professional ball as well. Love that.

Love that. I mean, I think that's so important. Did they tell you about the mental game of tennis?

Yes. So I learned about the mental game of tennis actually in my professional years. But what we did, we read the Mind Gym. That's what we read. Mind Gym and John Wooden. Yep. John Wooden book. Yeah. John Wooden. Those are the two books we read. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I quote him all the time. I mean, I only know one real quote of his, but I'm like always saying it. Like he said, you could play your best and lose and you could play your worst and win. So it's like, it's not just about the score. And that's why it goes skill over scoreboard, right? People are so big about that and just the winning. And like you said, falling in love with the process because it's so important. And since you had that, like where you had to learn volleyball at, you know, such a later age, I wonder if you ever felt like that was an advantage for you.

To think of it as an advantage at the time? Absolutely not. Yeah. Because I'm like everyone else is on a sports team. God, it's like, am I gonna get there? Come on, when am I gonna get there? I'm ready to get there now. So it created a lot of, like, anxiety or a lot of push, right, for me to get better really quickly, or a lot quicker than most. But in terms of, like, looking back on my career, I will say it was— it happened exactly how it was supposed to. I think with my foundation in gymnastics, that gave me the advantage to embrace it a lot faster and, you know, move throughout career with a different lens. So in that way, I think it really was a blessing because I got to approach the sport. I get to approach the sport with a different foundation. Yeah.

A lot of people do talk about being a multi-sport athlete and how it develops different muscles in your body. So I don't know why. I know arabesque is a ballerina term, but for some reason I see you doing an arabesque to do a spike.

Yes, there were, there were times when I did a full turn to save a ball.

Yeah, exactly. They're like, what is she— wow, she's like, what was that, a backflip?

Yes, when I roll on the ground, they still say it looks like I'm doing a backflip, but whatever.

You're like, hey, it works, it works, right? Whenever you guys have that leg out and you do that like dig, you know, and it's like you're practically in the splits. So yeah. Yeah, like, don't tell me that this gymnastics thing didn't work out for me.

You know, like, yeah, I'm the most—

I'm the most, uh, what is it, flexible volleyball player out there.

Um, absolutely.

Yeah, it'd be bad, you know, obviously if, if not for the uneven bars, like, right, like in certain sports, certain parts of the sport you could still do.

But yes.

All right, so now what was the highlight like, as far as your college career, like you said, like you got, I know one of the highlights was getting visualization and like breaking the whole game wide open for you. What was the highlight performance-wise? Did you guys, you know, compete like, you know, in any tournaments? How did they go for you? And then you also talked about, and so this is a two-part question. What was the highlight? And then you talked about the devastation of loss. And, you know, I think it's so interesting because, you know, you're gonna lose as an athlete. You know, so let's talk about the high and low aspect of sport. How did you handle that? Do you remember it, kind of the ride, and tell us a little bit about your experience.

Yeah, so we ended up being top 25 in the country, which was a huge accomplishment for Cincinnati. And that was my sophomore year of college. And then we ended up going on to win our conference and then we won our conference tournament. Every year that I was there, we were fortunate enough to go to NCAA. So that was definitely the highs, just receiving a ring for being Big East champs at the time. Cincinnati has now jumped around conferences, but at the time we were Big East champs, which was huge. And then I'd say the biggest low in my career would, I would say it was kind of my senior year. We kind of took a turn. We had a coaching change and we just couldn't really get— we couldn't get our feet under— underneath us that last year, which is hard. It was a really hard way to finish my career. So when you talk about the low, the low is the reason I ended up playing professionally. It is what continued my career. So it was the biggest blessing in disguise because if it wasn't for having this kind of like it was just a depressing senior year. It was just— didn't— it was underwhelming. Uh, it was an underwhelming way of finishing my career. I was like, this is not the end. I have not worked this hard for this to be the end. Yeah. So, um, funny, funny thing is, um, at that time, every 3 years we were able to take an international trip. And so my sophomore year, we went to Brazil. We went there for 10 days, played, had a great time. But in that moment, I had decided I was never going to travel abroad again because it was just so depressing. I was in Rio and I was in São Paulo. But for me, what— for whatever reason, seeing a different, like, that different lifestyle there, it was hard for me. I was like, I just want to go back to America. I just want to be in America, like, in my little safe haven. Like, I don't want to travel. Right. Well, with my senior year, I was like, I am not finishing volleyball like this. Right. Fast forward 2 years. I'm like, absolutely not. Yeah. Somebody like, who wants, who wants me to play for their team? I'll go anywhere. And it was the biggest blessing because I absolutely love my experience abroad. Like, I had so much fun abroad.

Would you hear kind of mixed stories about that? Right. Because like you talked about the different culture, the different things and a lot of people have a hard time adjusting, right? Because the other thing that people don't know about professional contracts or whatever is that they're very short-lived at times. So you can have a year here and then a year there, and so it's hard to find that cohesiveness that you felt coming from high school and college as far as a team sort of environment.

Yeah.

So tell us, like, about, um, like, well, first of all, I want to— before we get to that, actually, I want to talk about the coaching change because that's a big deal. And I think a lot of people don't really recognize, like, you know, you talked about it with Georgia Tech a little bit. Like, I was gonna go to that school because of that coach. Now that coach isn't there anymore. So it's like, I don't wanna go there. And in some instances they don't release those recruits. They really are like, yeah, you're committed to this school. And then the coach leaves and you're like, but I wanted that coach. Like, that's the person that recruited me.

Yeah.

So when you have a coaching change, and they don't have a philosophy of a system that quote unquote was working, because sometimes the coach leaves for a better offer. It's not always like a losing season or anything like that.

Yes.

Um, you know, and you said it was depressing, but like, what, what advice do you have, or can you tell us a little bit about, like, I know you said it was depressing as far as not getting, you never found you guys like footing in that particular season, but personally, what was your situation with this particular coach? Again, no names or anything like that. Just, you know, like telling us about that experience of sort of navigating that new regime, if you will.

Yeah. Yeah. So I'd love to answer this in two parts actually, like as the athlete and then now as a person who has coached. Yes. Right. Hindsight is 20/20, but in that moment as an athlete, my senior year, which, you know, it's, it's rigorous. Like you are not only training multiple times a day depending on the time of year, you're also waking up super early and really maxing out all throughout the offseason to make those gains. Yeah. Um, there's just a lot you're sacrificing and also a lot that you are, um, working through, right? As— I mean, you're a young adult, you have not figured out life, right? Yeah. So emotionally, so as an athlete, you definitely, um, you make things— it's your whole life, right? You're giving up, you're sacrificing so much.. And as an athlete, you, you put in so much work and you have this vision, especially when you've been visualizing and doing the imagery outside of practice, outside of lifting, outside of school. Like, you've been putting in the work to visualize what you want your senior year to look like. And we all have an idea of how we want to finish our career. And then when that doesn't— that when that picture doesn't match, it can be extremely devastating. Right? Because you're like, why are we losing? Why are we in different positions? You're, you're constantly questioning the coach. You're constantly looking at the coach like, why aren't you fixing this? And then you're also being trained differently, right? They have a different philosophy. They have a different, um, theory to the game. And they— their vision is different. They didn't recruit you. You didn't ask to be with them. So, right, you can have very difficult conversation where you're just not on the same page. And that's what we literally— that's how we finished the year, is I had a conversation with the coach at the time. We're just like, we never got on the same page. And it was hard, right, to kind of swallow that pill if you were a part of. Yeah. And, um, I can say to this day I'm so grateful for that experience looking back at it, but in the moment I was really angry and really resentful, and I didn't emotionally deal with it in the best capacity at, you know, 21 years old trying to figure out, um, how I wanted my career to finish. So, um, it wasn't pretty. It was a whirlwind, whirlwind of emotions. Yeah. But as a coach, I can only imagine how difficult that was coming into a team that had 5 starting seniors that she wasn't going to use next year. She wasn't going to need them next year. So she brought in her, you know, she brought in her girls and she wanted to develop them, and rightfully so. So there were times when we were moved around, taken out, and she was trying to think of the next year. And I get it. I totally get it now as a coach when things aren't working. Try something else? Why not just break something? Yeah. Yeah.

Wow, that's great. Um, really good perspective. Like, you know, and then, but like you said, it still doesn't matter in that moment. Like, I'm still gonna feel a type of way because this is my senior year. I'm the, you know, the, the top of the, the heap, so to speak, and I want to make it here. I want to go out on a bang. And it's like, yeah, some coaches are like, yeah, like, it's like the whole Tom Brady thing. Like, we're not we're not going to play with you forever, so we got to start developing the guys behind you because we have to think about the future of this franchise. But it's like, how do you not play Tom Brady? Like, if I'm not going to start, I'm not going to be here. Like, I'm Tom Brady, you know?

So yeah, and it's hard for someone, you know, you talk about Tom Brady, it's hard for someone who's always played to then sit the bench, or someone who's always played a certain position to change positions. Like, that is what you're supposed to be learning in that season. It's not the win. Like, I truly believe that it's not always about the win. It's what you should be learning in that moment, which is to be a good teammate or to be, um, someone that is learning something new as a captain, right? In that moment, I was learning how to be more flexible and, um, learn how to kind of change for the betterment of the team.

That's great. Like, yeah, it's like there's so many ways to round yourself out as a player.. But you know, in, in our myopic view, it's like, am I playing? Am I getting, like you said, reps in, you know, and if I'm not getting reps, then what am I doing here?

Right.

And it's like, well, you never know how that season, like you said, besides spurring you on to a professional career, like you said, made you a better all-around player because you're not always going to be the starter. You know, sometimes the most pivotal role on a team can be that support. Like Taiba Hanif-Park in her last season, they got a silver medal.

I think it was silver.

I forget what medal it was. I think she's a 2-time silver medalist, but she was more of this, you know, she was going from being like the top one, but then coming back after having a baby and still making the squad and working her butt off. But then it was like more of a, like a, I'm here to like support and develop these younger players, you know, and be a part of that process. And so it's like you, you just don't think about it that way. It's like, wait, I'm gonna get a medal, but I'm not gonna be the one scores all the points.

How does that work? Well, and, and that's the win, right? It's not about the physical win or the W or the L. Yeah, it is how can I win at this adversity that's right in front of me at the moment, which is how do I develop these other athletes, how do I become more flexible, how do I win at that mental side of how can I be a better teammate instead of thinking it more of me, me, me, and really making it more about the Ooh, I'm a better athlete.

That was good. That was good.

It's so important.

I talk to my clients all the time about defining your own wins, and it's like you can't control that end result, but you can always control like, what did—

what's your win?

Like, what are you taking away from this? And so I think it's so important because obviously sports puts such a, you know, I mean, coaches lose their jobs if they don't win, players lose their spots if they're not performing. And there's not enough emphasis on, you know, kind of developing the person and developing the whole perspective. And so, yeah, excellent, excellent, excellent perspective. Okay. So obviously we're going to make the jump to professional now. Obviously you said like, hey, I'm— this can't be the end of the road for me. So tell me about what it was like transitioning from college to professional volleyball and what was your biggest takeaway from that experience?

Yeah, so, um, my, my senior year, um, I knew that I was going to be moving towards professional ball, so I actually moved to Cleveland for my internship, and I was at the Olympic training facility up there training and also doing my internship, um, at the strength and conditioning program that was there. And, um, I loved the idea of like just being back to just me. It was all about me developing my body, developing my game. And so I had reached out to some agents that I had met surprisingly in Brazil when I went on that international trip and told them that I wanted to play. And so when I went over across the pond, they sent me out to Slovenia and they have this big— it's a big showcase. So then coaches come out to see all these American players. So I was in Slovenia and just having all these interests from different teams. So I ended up signing with the team in Germany. It was Ladies in Black Aachen, and that team was the perfect team for me to be on and to start my career professionally because I not only was in Germany, but my coach was— he was from Eastern Europe. And then I also had 5 Eastern European teammates that were on there. We had a Finnish girl, we had a Swedish girl, we have an Israel— like, girl from Israel. Like, we had Dutch girls. We had— it was international. Exactly. Like, it was the only team I've ever experienced that many different cultures in one place. And it was so cool because there were 12 of us and there's like 9 different nationalities. So going to that team. Um, again, there was the language barrier, there were the cultural differences, and surprisingly that year it wasn't, it wasn't that difficult to deal with. Everyone spoke English, so that was the, you know, the common language. But the hardest thing I will say, um, being abroad was just constantly comparing things to America. It's like, oh, that's different. Like, how am I going to eat? What should I eat? This is different. Like, how is this going to affect my body? Then we also had a different strength and conditioning program because it was a different, it was a different approach. You know, it was more like our strength and conditioning coach was actually our coach. So he was not only our volleyball coach, but he was also running our strength and conditioning program. So there was just a lot of learning on how to navigate the international game without losing the foundation you've already created because everything is now changed. And you've already learned your body and you've already learned the American mentality when it comes to training your body and the strength and conditioning and the food aspect. So it's like, how do I supplement all these things and still maintain my level? And I think it's such a good experience for anyone, any, you know, any athlete to go through because now you're no longer dependent on what everyone was telling you on that college team. It's now, what do you need? What worked for you? And how do you stay strong in that even through this 9-month season? And that was another change. High school and college ball is only 3 months, if you're lucky, 4 if you go far into the tournament. But now I was looking at a 9-month season. So it was also staying open to the fact that they know how to get through 9 months. Maybe this 3-month mentality or this, you know, strength and conditioning program doesn't work for the longevity of the season. Yeah. So, um, there was just a lot of changes in that way. But in terms of the team, in terms of the team morale, in terms of, you know, the coach, it was a great season.

Yeah, nice. Well, that's great. So obviously we're getting close to the end of our time, so I want to get to your transition out sports, because that is one of the hardest parts for an athlete, especially one that performed at a high level like yourself. Because, um, obviously the percentage of people that play college ball is significantly less, and then the percentage of people that go on to professional is significantly less than that. And so then you're talking about, you know, a good portion of your life. Now, luckily you started somewhere around 14 in your sport, 13, 14, but most people have been playing since they were like 5, right? So we're talking about Pretty much my whole life of what I remember, I've been playing this sport. And so though you had some perspective of other sports, you've been an athlete your whole life. So as you're coming out of that experience, talk about that process for you of like, do you still identify as an athlete or was it a really hard time for you or were you just ready to be done?

Yeah, I retired twice. So, um, I, I think that's a natural occurrence, um, from what I hear, you know, you retire. I went into, um, behavior therapy, and then after a couple years, I decided I wanted to coach internationally, so I went back. And then they were like, hey, how about you play? So I jumped into playing again and coaching at the same time. Wow. So I will say that was an interesting, um, process because you know, I went back as a coach and a player, and so it kind of pushed me towards like the coaching aspect of things. Um, and I have to say that it was great. It was hard, you know, of course, to say goodbye, but my body was ready to say goodbye. And I think the biggest identity shift that I had to make was, now what? Now I'm not training for volleyball. Now I'm, you know, lifting and working out because I like it. It's a part of my identity. Like, I will always identify as an athlete. Yeah. But now I have, you know, this autonomy, what I want to do with my body and how I want my body to look and how and when I want to work out. And that was such a different shift for me. And it took a long time. It took about 2— I'd say it took about 2 years. Solid 2 years, because that first year I was still training like a volleyball player, right? I was like, oh, I'm still lifting the same, like, ah, this is the way I have to lift, this is the only way I've always, you know, this is the only way I know how to live. And then that next year I was like, how do I love on my body a little bit more? Like, what does my body actually need? And it was going through this conversation and this learning, this relearning of, you know, just tapping back into Oh, I have a little pain there. Let's, let's modify. Let's go away from that for a little bit. Or let's just stretch. Like today my workout is going to be yoga and that's enough. Nice. That's enough. Yeah. Whereas before it's like I have to do my cardio and then I have to kill myself in the weight room and then, you know what I mean? Yeah. It came to how do I love on my body today? Oh, I'm just going to go for a bike ride. Let me just run because I want to run and just see how it feels. To experience my body running instead of I have to make this in a certain amount of time with all this pressure and I have to beat this number every single time. It was coming out of that mindset and saying, what do I need? And it's been great. I think it's been a huge blessing.

That's so cool. Like, I definitely remember being in that weight room and track and like making those loud noises and lifting as much as possible and always going to, you know, doing the reps that we had to do, even the, the intervals in track and field. And it's like, I'm running, yeah, and 200s. And now, like, if I want to go out for a run, I'm really just running. Like, I'm not running because I am— I'm training for something. But it's like, like you said, but also changing that, like, getting back in touch with your body and what you want, but also recognizing that I don't have— like, like, what is my objective? Because before, everything I was doing for— was for the game, was for the, you know, the sport. And now it's like I'm just lifting to get muscles, I guess, like, or to stay fit, like, you know. So sort of changing that, like, whole thing. And, you know, you see, like, football players that used to play and they're, like, you know, like a quarter of the size or half the size because they don't have to, like, lift like that or eat like that.

Or so it's one or the other, right? Some are, like, super huge and then some are, like, really small. Like, it—

yeah, it's cool to see. Yeah. So, yeah, right, exactly. Some's just like, I'm just gonna go even harder on fitness and maybe do powerlifting or find some other ways 'Cause some athletes don't know how to turn it off. And not to say that, you know, I mean, it's whatever works for you and whatever keeps you motivated and happy, but there's that piece. So last question for you before we go into the rapid fire questions, 'cause I wanna be observant of your time. I mean, we gotta get you to that yoga and I don't want to stretch you too far outside your comfort zone. See what I did there?

I'm amazing. All right. Nice play on words.

I like it. I'm not just good at asking questions. I got— yeah, okay. All right, let's get off that. So before I make it— the audience start turning off, they're like, no, we're not watching this, terrible.

All right, so, um, what is Jordyn's mental advantage? Hmm, it's a— it's definitely meditation, that quiet time, really getting to know who I am as a person and what my needs are. And how I can better connect to my community and people around me and really be present. I think of getting in the zone like an athlete is no different than being present with the people that you love. So kind of shifting that into your everyday life as an individual, as a person within that identity of still being an athlete.

Hmm. Oh, such a good answer.

Okay, I lied.

I have a follow-up. Why, how do we help other people? Or how, I know you've done some coaching of athletes and you're currently coaching lots of different people, like on how to do this. Like why don't we focus on this enough? Or how can we like help other people kind of wake up to that, particularly the athlete mind, but in general, just high performance mindset type stuff, you know?

Yeah, I, I definitely think, um, there's a lot of— there's a lot happening around us, right? There's a lot of stimulation, there's a lot of distraction. So naturally we just get kind of stuck in the mundane things of life, right? Just waking up, eating, getting to work, feeling successful. Um, I truly believe with what kind of what we were talking about when it comes to winning, it's not about the win and loss. It's more about how you can win in each moment and just trying to figure out what works for your life. What do you need to cut out? What's a distraction? What is actually empowering you and bettering you? And focus on those things, focus on those interests, so then you can not only tap into who you are as a person but also tap into that community around you by being present.

Man, Jordyn, you're so good, you're so good. Uh, I could talk to you all day, but we have yoga to get to, so we'll get to these rapid-fire questions.

Okay, I mean, yeah, You know, it's mission.

All right, I'm ready. Yeah. Okay. All right.

You're ready.

Okay. These are the most serious questions I'm going to ask you this whole time.

Of course. Okay.

All right. All right.

All right.

So first question. All right.

What is your favorite snack at the moment? Mm. I love rice cakes with anything. Peanut butter, Nutella, Nutella and banana.

Those are my favorite snacks right now. Now, are they flavored already, these rice cakes? Because I got to say, it's like eating paper to me.

Uh, they're not, they're not. That's why you put the Nutella on there.

Okay, got it. Okay, because I'm like, I've eaten a rice cake and it's been like really not very pleasurable.

Do not eat it by itself.

No, you need something on it. Okay, all right, rice cakes with the topping, Nutella, peanut butter. Okay, got it. Okay, all right, second question.

Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream, and if so, what is it?

Absolutely, mint chocolate chip. Is there a particular place I have to get it? No, it never fails. It's always good. Mint chocolate chip.

Okay.

I love a mint chocolate chip too. One of my friends was like, yeah, mint and chocolate. I was like, how can you say such things?

It's like the best thing. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess my second, I would have to say Dairy Queen. I love the Heath Blizzard Dairy Queen.

Oh, it's just good. I used to love a Blizzard. I'm vegan now, so there's nothing for me at Dairy Queen but a Blizzard?

Yeah.

Oh, and you said Heath—

the Heath Bar? You said the Heath—

it's the Heath Bar Blizzard. The Heath Bar. Yes, yes. No, it's all good. I used to love a Heath Bar too back in the day. I wasn't always a vegan, people, so I have, I have a pre-vegan lifestyle. Okay, don't judge me. All right, I, I, I really love Dairy Queen, man. I grew up on those, uh, those, um, those Blizzards.

Yes.

So anyway, all right, so if you could have a superpower power?

What would it be and why? I want to fly. That would be amazing. Then you can get anywhere whenever you want. And then it's probably— it's a huge thrill.

Maybe I'm a little bit of— you like the thrill. See, me, I'm a teleporter.

Yeah.

Okay, I'm there.

Yay! I'm going to enjoy Paris. I was like, I want to fly there. Yeah.

See everything. Nice, nice, nice. And Superman's my favorite, so clearly he doesn't teleport, so I get it. But I think I would like flying, but for some reason, I I just think of the bugs and the things, and I was, you know, does he ever get bugs in his teeth? You know, these are the things I want to ask Superman when it comes to that. But anyway, he's moving so fast, I don't think so. I don't think so. The bug would probably disintegrate because it's just like, he just kills the bug. Yeah, it's like impossible. All right, uh, and, uh, do you have a favorite superhero? Since I talked about mine, it's only fair that we find out about yours.

Um, I can't say I really have a favorite Superhero. I'll have to come back to that one.

I don't know. Well, it's okay if you don't, and you might just have like a— yeah, so we'll get to the— we'll get to— there's a second part to the question, so we'll get back to that in a second.

All right, I guess I like Thor.

I like Thor, but for different reason. Are you just attracted to Chris Hemsworth? You can tell me if that's really what it is, okay? Because he's, he's incredibly attractive and he's got arms Stadiums.

But the only one that came to mind—

yeah, exactly. Well, you know what, if you think about it, I really like Thor. I'm like, really? Do you like Thor? Do you like Thor? Let's say he's playing with someone. Superpower is— his superpower is just being devastatingly handsome.

Yes.

Okay, I get you, I get you, I get you. Okay, so the— this next question is kind of a thing that some people have, some people don't. You may not care. Um, it's a first world problems question. Okay, so in your bathroom, I'm assuming you have toilet paper. Yes. Yes, I do. Okay, are you an over the top or an under the bottom?

And if so, why? Over the top. Why, Jordan? Why does it have to be over the top? Then you can see where you're pulling. You're always like under the bottom. You're always like trying to figure out where it's at.

Yes, agreed. So good. I'm an over the top as well. Almost 99% of the athletes that I've had on this podcast are over the top. There are occasionally some under the bottoms, but then there's that really weird outlier that's like, I don't care. All right, so yeah, there are those people. Now, Jordan, now these are the follow-up questions. These are important. If I'm at your house and I put the toilet paper on wrong, Do you change it when you go in the bathroom?

Every time.

Every time. Okay. See, me too. Me too. Now, this is the one where you— we're going to test your real commitment to this. Okay? If you come to my house and it's under the bottom, are you changing it?

Absolutely. Okay. See, I don't do that. I don't do that. I'm like, that's wrong. I'll help you here. I'll just let me help you out. Nice.

You'll never know I did it. Okay. You're like the first person I think to admit that. Like everybody else is like, no, I would never change it at anyone else's house. But you— when I used to do this in workshops, there were definitely people that said, yeah, I'll change it. But so you're not alone.

But I'm saying you're the first person I think on my podcast to say you would. So yeah. And I'll probably fix your— yeah, I'll probably fix your cloth. Like if your cloth is like wrong or You know, I might have to straighten up the bathroom. I'm like, you might want to fix that too.

I'll invite you over just so that you'll straighten up. Like, hey, Jordyn, go in there, see if there's anything that's wrong in there. And secretly, I'm just hoping you'll clean it.

So, you know, I blame that on athletics. I blame it on athletics. You know, attention to detail. It's there. I see it.

Like, things need to be in its place.

Yeah.

Like, hey, there's an order to things. We got to do this the right way.

Okay.

I love that. I love that.

All right, Jordyn, who's your personal hero? Hmm, my personal hero, I would— oh, that's a hard one. Um, it changes moment to moment. Like right now, um, RBG is someone that I've been really looking up to. I mean, she's just amazing. She's revolutionary. Like, so right now that's who I've been super fascinated by. I mean, Michelle Obama. I mean, I was obsessed with her forever. Still am to this day. Yeah. Um, yeah, Oprah Winfrey. Like, there's just so—

I have so many. Noticing a theme of strong women though, which I would— yes, I love it. Yeah. And you are a strong woman, so nice. I love it. All right, and then what does—

what do you want to be remembered for? I want to be remembered for making people feel loved, accepted, and heard. Nice. So, so simple. She's like, yeah, I could totally—

like, I have that answer easy. Yeah, I just want to be around for these kind of things. I don't know, it's not like I thought about it before.

I'm just saying, avid meditator. I love, I love connecting with myself and other people. That's my thing.

Well, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. Okay, well, Um, tell the people— this is your chance to tell people, like, if you want to connect with Jordyn, where do we go? What are you working on? What do you want us to tap in with you about?

Yeah, so, um, if you want to find me on Instagram, my name is Jordyn_Recalibrated. Um, my company is called Recalibrated Minds. I'm working to empower women. I, I want to help women just get rid of perfectionism and finally start loving life again, just being exactly who they are. So you can find me on Instagram, um, you can find me on my website recalibrated-minds.com, and I'd love to connect.

All right, and you coach as well? Yes. So that you're looking to actually coach these women and help them?

Yes. Yeah, so I do coaching, I do hypnotherapy, um, I'm an RTT therapist So I love doing sessions where people are whatever they need. It's anxiety, it could be weight loss, it can just be connecting to who they are and their purpose.

So yes, that is what I do for a living.

Fantastic.

And guys, we're talking about an athlete here, so you know she's going to be committed to your success because she doesn't lose because she defines her own wins. So it's going to help you define yours. So you can't lose with, uh, Jordann. So for sure, thank you so much, Jordann.

This was so much fun. Welcome. Yeah, this was great.

Thank you for having me on.

Absolutely. Thank you.