How Every Obstacle Became a Super Power with John A. Brink

You're listening to the PT Profit podcast, episode number 180. Today I'm sitting down with author John A. Brink, and we're talking all about how every obstacle became his superpower. Are you ready? Let's get started.

Hi, I'm Beverly Simpson, former fitness manager turned online personal training business owner. And this podcast is where smart fitness professionals, including trainers and clinicians, discover how to increase client performance and movement, package and position their products and services and get out of their own way so that they can increase their revenue to live a life that they love without sleazy sales. Welcome to the PT Profit Podcast.

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On another episode of the PT Profit Podcast. I'm your host, Beverly Simpson, and if this is the first time that you're hanging out with me today, welcome. I'm super excited for today's episode. I I am sitting down with John A. Brank, who is A World War II survivor, a Canadian serial entrepreneur, nationally ranked bodybuilder at age 81, public speaker dresses writer and author of two books, Against All Odds and ADHD Unlocked. And in fact, this gentleman is also on TikTok, which we're going to be talking about inside of this episode. Inside of this episode, you'll hear how John left the Netherlands in 1965 with only one single suitcase and $25 47 in cash. He had no connections, he didn't speak the language, he never finished elementary school, yet he was convinced he could make his dream to build his own sawmill come true. Despite the current circumstance he faced, plus the adversary that he continued to in his journey, which he describes in this episode. The tenacity and resilience and commitment to himself is part of what brought his dreams to fruition. So without further ado, let's go ahead and roll that interview.

What's up, John? Thank you so much for joining me on the show today. How are you?

I'm doing very well, Beverly. How are you?

I'm doing so good. I am so pumped for today's conversation. Just before we hit record. I know that you have a wealth knowledge to share with my community, so I'm super pumped that you're here. So for those of you who have never heard of you or your work before, John, I'd love for you to share with us a little bit about who you are, who you serve and how you got there.

Okay, so I was born in Holland in 1940 and North Eastern Holland, the exact close to the German border. So this was already. I was born November 1st. So just after the start of the Second World War. Obviously, things were difficult during the war. My dad was drafted by the Dutch army. My mother had me as the youngest, and then a sister one year older, a brother two years old. And she tried to survive with us through the war. And then we got liberated on April 12, 1945, by the Canadian army. And it made such an impression on me that from that time forward, when I was five, I always knew someday I would go to the land of my heroes, Canada. And it took me Till I was 24 in 1965 that I was finally able to do that. And I arrived in Canada in about July of 1965. And I wanted to start from the bottom up. You know, I had one suitcase, I had three books, a set of clothes. I left Holland with $150. I went to British Columbia because I wanted to. And the other dream that I had is built my own lumber mill and had to go to British Columbia. That's where they grow all the timber. And then when I arrived there, I couldn't speak the language. I went to the immigration office, talked to a fellow that spoke German, and I could speak some German. And I told him what I wanted to do, build my own sawmill. And he said, go to Prince George. That is central British Columbia. That's where I am today. And I arrived there late July 1965. I had $25.47, couldn't speak the language, didn't have a job and didn't know a soul. But I still had that dream. I was going to build a sawmill. Not if, but and took me 10 years before I started the company that I have still today, the Brink Force Products and part of the Brink group of companies. We employ about 400 people today. We have three or four different companies, about 10 other companies, you know, and that's kind of what I'm doing.

That is amazing. And so now there are so many lessons in there that I just want to dive into, because I. It's clear to me I'm just going to go ahead and make. Make that leap that many of the resilience components that you and trust, you had to really just go all in on your dream. Essentially, this is what has carried you through. So I'm curious, you know, what would you say to someone who's starting out, you know, how. What was the process? How did you turn $25 into, you know, your prospering company?

You know, I had a bit of a challenge, you know, obviously, starting out, you know, being liberated and being under war, you know, even at the young age, that adversely affects you. And obviously. But I still remember from those years, even then, that three things in particular. One was hunger, constant feeling of hunger. I can feel that still today. PTSD probably was part of that. And then the other one was anxiety, you know, because in a war setting, seeing far too many things that you should not see. So those things were always part of me. And then the other part that took me a long time to realize is that I was not overly successful academically. I failed grade three once. Who fails grade three, really? You know, I failed grade seven three times. Then, oh, my God, they said, what are we going to do with this guy? So the. Should we send them to the mentally challenged school or should we get him a job? So they got me a job. And I loved my parents, obviously deeply, but it was a challenge for them. So I was relatively small for my age, so they sent me to a furniture factory to become a furniture maker. And they got me a set of coveralls over the weekend. From a student to becoming a laborer. The coveralls were far too big for me because they didn't have small coveralls like that. So they rolled up the pan legs, and then the crotch was hanging around my knees. So that's smarter than now. But it wasn't. Then I became a furniture maker. And then I did that, you know, for a number of years. And then I was drafted into the Dutch Air force. That was mandatory and Special forces, actually. I don't know why, but that's where they put me. I wanted to be a pilot. So I was in the Dutch Air force for two years. And then I still had that dream of going to Canada. And obviously I kind of felt like I had failed in school. It was always on my mind. I was already quite successful in Holland, but I felt I had to prove something, if not to anybody, to myself, that I could do it. I did have it, you know. And then when I was 24, I decided to start from the ground up, leave for Canada, build the lumber mill that I had dreamed of, and start from nothing. So that's what I did when I arrived here, as I said earlier In July of 1965, I stood there with my suitcase, couldn't speak the language, didn't know so didn't have a job. And I counted my money at least three or four times. You know, I had $25.47. And the funny part about it is that my employees and the people that work around me got me and Made me up a plaque, actually, and they made it for me. And they said, so here it is.

Oh, my gosh, that is amazing.

Attitude, passion, work ethic, but follows success, you know, so. And that's what I did. I knew I was going to build the sawmill. Even with spending $5.47. I worked hard enough, I had the passion, I loved lumber, and boundless determination. And then what I discovered by pure coincidence, cranking forward very, very quickly. I already started the first operation when I was here 10 years, 1975. But it took me till I was 57. I was in a bookstore and I opened a book. Driven to Distraction was the book. I'm not a big book reader, and as I read it, talked about adhd. I had never even heard of it, but then when I read it, I said, oh, my God, that's me. I looked through the book. I spent at least a half an hour looking at the book. Finally, the owner of the store kind of was coming down and said, are we going to buy it or what are we going to do here? And so I bought it, obviously, and then I wrote in it in Dutch. Now I finally know who I am, and that's how long it took me. And then that kind of explained a lot of things about me in terms of adhd. I had never even heard of it. It became then very much part of my knowledge in terms of who I was and what was driving me to success. I call it ADHD today is the superpower.

Oh, I can't wait. So I've got two questions to ask. Following up that. Because, number one, one of the things that Chris had mentioned to me when we. When I spoke to him is that you have. You have had the ability to take decades of life and decades of experience and really distill it into 10 principles, 10 fundamental principles that you live by. And I'd love for you to share with us a little bit more about what those are. And then I'd also love for you to unpack. You know, how specifically would you consider ADHD to be your superpower?

Yeah. So. So what I did, Beverly, is that I thought about this for a long, long time. I always knew, you know, I had to share that with. So what I say is that I started working on that book and it took me a long, long time, bit by bit, and then somehow it didn't develop into a book. And then I say, it took me 80 years to live. It took me 20 years to think about it and two years to write it. And it resulted in to this book.

Against All Odds, Against All Odds.

And it basically goes through all of that in terms of the circumstances around my life and all the things that happened along the way. And the book is not so much about hurrah, hurrah, John, but in regards to all the challenges and all the difficulties and all the things that can go wrong in someone's life. And wondering then, as people sometimes do, can I do it or what are my challenges and where can I succeed in all the dreams that I have? All of that is in there. That's what that book is all about. Not so much, John, but more into that. If you stay the course, attitude, passion, work ethic, and you find your passion in particular, your dreams will come true, you know. So I did that. Came out about two years ago, Against All Odds. Available in audio as well, actually. First book I ever read, quite successful actually, and I'm proud of it, internationally even. It's on johnabrank.com, available@Amazon.com then the. The other thing that I did, I started to become more and more vocal about the stigma around ADHD and finding that it is a disorder, which I do not believe it is. It is far beyond that. It became more and more obvious to me is that a lot of people feel, as I did for a long time, ashamed about talking about adhd when I was diagnosed. I read it in the book that I said earlier. And then five years later, I went to my home doctor, a friend. I didn't even want to mention it to him. When I mentioned it to him one day I came into his office and he had delivered my two daughters. And then he was a friend of the family, and he said, well, John, what can I do for you today? And I said to him, I think I got adhd. And he said, what? Why? Why do you think that? And so we talked about it for a while and he had some experience with it and he said, I believe you do too. And so from that point forward, I was trying to reconcile as to what it really meant to me. I learned more about it by googling and on and on and reading about it. And then I felt I had to write about it. And so I wrote a book about it and it just came out here a couple of weeks ago.

Okay, there we go. ADHD unlocke.

Yes. The amazing thing that has happened, Beverly, over and over and over again, it happens to me that people say, you know something, John? I've never really talked about it, but it's in my family, my son has or something like that this has gone on over and over and over again, that I come to the conclusion, no question about it, that the frequency of occurrence both for male and female, much more common than people ever anticipated. I believe that even to the extent that it is virtually impossible not to be encountering it in your personal life, in your workplace or anywhere in the community. Because one of the things that happens with ADHD individuals, they are quite unique and I say that in a positive way and to understand them and is extremely important. But I believe more, first and foremost it should not be a stigma, it's not a liability, it's an asset because it allows you to do things other people are not able to do. Simply I can, I can manage 20 things all at the same time, you know, and, and I do that virtually on a daily basis. And even at 82, you know, and I'm still full of spirit and I'm still excited about life. I still have lots of things that I'm hoping to do. I ride English desage, we have 10 horses. I'm the old competitive bodybuilder in Canada. I believe at 82 I'm competing again in November and hopefully at the Arnold's next year and I'm going to win. And obviously NBF 10 companies. And I'm excited about every day that when I get up in the morning I make my bed and I'm excited about what's ahead of me.

Oh, I love that. I love it, I love it. So what caused you to pick up the book in the first place when you first were led to drawn to learn more about adhd?

Very good question, Beverly, because I have no idea as to why it brought me to the self help section of the bookstore. I've always been interested in kind of looking at books and kind of opening them and kind of looking at parts of the book. But why I did that I still don't know today. But it changed my life. That is no question about it. Driven to distraction now I understood what happened because I never could quite understand why did I fail grade 3? Why did I fail grade 73 times? How come I've got so much issues with things that are boring to me that I cannot maintain attention to it. And at the same time I have all this energy and where can I direct it? And it took me going to Canada, it took me pursuing my dreams, but it took me to that day. And that bookstore that kind of opened the door to me in terms of saying that's who I am, just backing.

It up really quickly. For those of you who don't know what ADHD is, can you unpack it? Unpack what that is. Why do people consider it a liability and how you used it to your advantage?

It says attention deficits, hypertension, deficit disorder, add in some cases, Attention deficit disorder, hypertension. It's more commonly known now as adhd. What it does is makes you in particular focusing on in the traditional way of learning, sitting in school for years on end and doing boring things doesn't work very well for those individuals. And it's more and more recognized as something that usually what happens to those individuals, they tend to become entrepreneurial, have that special knack for being especially suited for those areas. But it's not a disorder. It gives you the ability to absorb a lot of information in your way and become very, very successful. As it is better understood and the stigma disappears, people are quite able and capable of saying, now that's what I have. And that's why it was so important for me to write the book. Because what I'm saying in this book is the interesting part of find the book. Can you see the price on the book?

25:47. What you had in your pocket when you came.

So what was important to me, Beverly, is that saying that writing the book about it. The book is very interesting because I'm interviewing as well 10 or 12 different people that have become very successful or in their own lives being successful with ADHD and telling their stories. And as to what made them successful, the one that wrote a forward is one of the best known medical doctors in Prince George, also a surgeon. Dr. Tracy Lott's ADHD, born Johannesburg, South Africa.

For your information, where I'm born, that's where I'm born.

So we will send you a copy of this book. We will sign it for you. We can even send you a whole box if you wish, you know, so but we will get you a copy of both of the books. So what I'm trying to do is saying it's not a liability, it's an asset. Recognize it for what it is. The younger the person is, the sooner we know that they have a tendency in that direction, we can train them in such a way that it opens up the opportunities of adhd, not the liabilities, and that recognizing all those particular areas.

So I'm curious now, I'm about to ask you a question that in your opinion, why has that asset or superpower been considered a liability for so long? And how does one recognize some of the traits and have that. Aha. Oh my gosh.

This Is me moment again, as you already know and you already classified. I'm not a medical doctor, obviously, and I'm not claiming to be. But we see now where children, young children in particular, but also young adults finally are realizing that although they may have had some awareness, create some awareness first, what is adhd? What is the frequency of occurrence? Read about it not only in my book, but in other books. So that some of the typical. Being hyperactive and then attention, having problems with attention is sometimes an issue. So to get a medical opinion by a qualified individual is important. And at the same time, to read about it, including my book and other books, it is coming more than anything out of the closet, if you wish, where because of the name disorder. I believe that is certainly not appropriate in terms of suggesting that it is a bad thing. It is not. It can lead a lot of people and very, very successful people that we know of are ADHD and are proud of it. In fact, you know, but it took some time to remove the stigma from it, and I'm very excited about that. And I hope that we help the world to realize that more and more is saying that, you know, we have some challenges with some of our kids or even. I've had even young adults say to me, I never realized that, but I have adhd. I have. I do a podcast, as you do. It's at the Brink. It's John A Brink. We do one a week. And over and over again, I find people coming on my show, not because I chose them to be for that reason, that say to me, my son has this, or I have adhd. And I really never talked about it. And I say that's unfortunate, but I believe more and more it is being looked at as not a liability, but as an asset.

So how does someone who has ADHD show up differently than someone who doesn't?

Well, to a certain extent, you're already, you know, at 82. I think I'm doing pretty good as an ADHD guy. You know, I have this passion. I have this hunger for gaining knowledge. I'm extremely active in all the things that I do, and I'm pretty good at it. I found my passion. I live my dream, and I'm very active in doing it. A lot of people say to me, I don't know how you do it. You're a bodybuilder, you're a pilot. All these things that you are doing, you're obviously an author, you're a public speaker. You do podcasts. How do you do them all?

Oh, my God.

Adhd, you know, so I can do.

A lot of things.

And then, you know, the companies that we have about 10 or 12 different companies, we are always looking at growing. We're going to double in size in the next two to four years. All those kind of things. They think, I wonder if this guy is adhd.

Now you mentioned that you are competing at the Arnold and you're a bodybuilder. So how did that come about? When did you find the love for fitness or for bodybuilding specifically?

Great question. Is that just a little bit of a background? There's always a trigger, right? So the. We all want to do better and so we get this subscription to the gym and then we go once or twice and then we don't go anymore, right? So the. You've done all of that. In my case, I had a case of diverticulitis, nearly killed me. And that became the trigger. That is always a trigger of some sort. And then from there on in I said I'm going to be much more serious about eating healthy and living healthy and getting exercise. I started going to the gym 2009 or something like that and I started to go to the gym initially. Very intimidating places to go to for a guy like me. Then everybody looks so much better than I do and. And they all were watching me. This is not the case. It's all psychological, right? So in any event, I started to become serious about it. I got a trainer to convey basis. I went there, trained about 10 hours a week. After a number of years somebody said to me, you're looking good. John, have you ever thought going compete? I said compete. So it triggered something and I like to have goals. I started to become more focused. I started competing then in 2017, I think it was started competing on a local basis bodybuilding and physique and the senior levels. I think it was 50 and older and I already was 70, so they could have been my kids. But I came in third in bodybuilding, second in physique, displaced me for the provincials, came in third in physique, second in bodybuilding. Can you imagine? And that comes for the nationals and for the Arnolds. And then obviously what happened is Covid. And then I started all over again here about six months ago and I'm well underway now. So I'm going to compete again end of November on a provincial level which I hope will qualify me for the nationals and the Arnold. You know, I have to work harder than the other guys because the category that I'm in is 50 and older because all the other guys are gone or are laying on the couch or dead, right? So the. I say that respectfully, so. But you know something, Beverly? Between you and me and the Gate coast, I think I'm gonna win.

Oh, it is done. It's already done. You've spoken the word. I can't wait.

But I feel good about it. Not so much that I look so good, but it keeps me me healthy. It gives me a goal. I suggest to everybody there is nothing more important than health, and there is nothing more important in terms of maintaining health than your diet and keeping your body active.

I love it. So I'm curious, you know, as someone who has faced a lot of adversary in your life, you know, some. You know, I would even argue more than many people will in their lifetime. And not that it's a competition, just mostly, how have you managed the invisible components to your success? And what I mean by that specifically is how have you mastered the mental game of, you know, it's going to work this time? And moving through the adversary of faith?

Another good question. You know, so I've always been right from the time that I was young, even then, in adversity of maintaining a positive attitude, even when I was younger. And that does not mean that there are some days that I'm a little bit down too obviously, then the other part is finding my passion in terms of what I wanted to do. I love lumber. My grandfather was a master carpenter. My dad managed a small lumber company in Holland. And it's something that I always wanted to do. I love that, you know, and then I have a very strong sense of work ethic in terms of I like to be successful, not so much for the money, but pursuing my dreams and my goals. And then no matter how bad things go, I'm always looking at it. The cop is half full, not half empty. And I will swear that if it rains today and I want sunshine and it is sunshine tomorrow, there's no question in my mind. I avoid negative people as much as I can. I'm a believer.

That's so good. And you know what I'm also hearing you say, and I'm curious, your opinion on is that you were just convicted based on your passion. The passion was what kept you driving, what helped you go all in on you and trust yourself. So what would you say to someone who was struggling to find their passion? What if they felt like, you know, I don't. I'm not passionate about anything.

That's a very vague question as well, because I'm just in the process of writing a book, which will come out next July, is finding your passion and living the dream, you know, so that's what will come out. And I say, find that passion. If you can't find it all your own, talk to people that have that they love to talk to people that. John, can you share with me? Blah, blah, blah. I do that all the time. And, you know, and that's why I do my podcast. That's why I write the books. It's not from money or anything like money to me in my life is secondary. It's more being this positive individual and sharing with other people that may be struggling, and that's not unique to them. A lot of people are saying, where do I find a passion? Can I feel good so that I get. Because it affects everything that you do. It affects you not only your career, but it affects your family life, your relationship with others, and even more importantly, yourself. As you get up in the morning and saying, you know something, I know already, it's going to be a good day.

Have you ever had to manage changing passions or if, you know, being, you know, feeling like you've fallen out of passion or fallen out of love, of way of life, and then, you know, giving yourself permission to have multiple passions, especially as someone that has adhd, like, how have you. Have you. How have you managed multiple passions?

If I look at my life, and I'm not trying to have anybody feel sorry for me, but, you know, during the war years was not easy. It still affects me today. In fact, you know what I remember as I said, hungry, so I can still feel it, but it is cold. We had no way of heating our house. There was a little stove. We would go out. The three kids would go out with a gunny sack in the morning and find anything that was edible or burnable. And especially the last year of the war, the hunger went all right. We had this little stove sitting together with my mom, and we would burn in the front, and it'd be just immensely cold. That still, even still today affects me and the inner child. Because of all of that, other things have happened to me. Litigation, where we were very successful in business. And there's always people that try to work on putting you out of business in some form or fashion that's described in the book. There were several times that I was at the edge. There was a period there that I was drinking more than I should be. And it was only then, through adversity, that I turned around and went into a different direction. The other part that Will end in the book is I was litigating and I. Without going in over details about it, but there were five arsons that were committed on myself, my, my house and a number of other things. So I've had the times that I was at the bottom too and had to kind of claw back out again. It was the company for three or four times. I had to build it up again from the bottom up. But. But I always knew that I can do it. I can. I can look back. And I did. And so I'm not saying. You suggesting that from my suggestion. This passion doesn't mean that always stays with you. No, it means more than anything is falling down and standing back up again. And I'm going to go keep going. But there have been periods in my life too that were a real struggle. During that period, I was drinking too much, I was smoking and I was on X axis. I forget now the prescribed medicines, they were not good for me. And so I've been at that point. But the key is to come back out of it again and know that you can do it.

I love that you talk about recognizing the difference between passion and motivation versus versus discipline and sticking through resistance because just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean that you're going to feel like doing it all the time. So I'm curious, how do you navigate the difference for you? And how would you suggest to anyone else to navigate the difference between recognizing. No, I just need to move through this resistance, stay disciplined or just, you know, let it go. And maybe it's. Maybe it's something you're not passionate about.

Yeah, the. The easiest thing is always to give up sometimes, you know, so you have to kind of say, what's important in my life and why is it important? And, and who am I? What. What do I have? The qualities that I have. I'm not talking about me now, but I have as an individual that makes me special. And I believe we all do that in a way that if we like what we are doing, the likelihood of being good at it is that much better. Doesn't mean that you have to be a multimillionaire entrepreneur. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about other things. You can be a cleanup man, woman, if you wish. That is very, very good at what they are doing and very, very, very happy with what they're doing and how are they going about it. The problem occurs when you become so down on yourself compared to others that you know you're not good enough. And all things you and Nickleby must reconcile. You are a good person. You are good at what you're doing. It doesn't matter what that is because it will make your life much, much easier, much, much better. And then the earlier in life you can focus on the things that you're good at then affect the rest of your life. I know so many people, I'm sure you do too. Is that say, you know something? I hate my job. Well, that's not good. That's not what you want to do. And they say, well, why don't you change? They say, well, I got mortgage and I got this and I got that. And those are all excuses, you know. So as far as I'm concerned, you can look at that and saying what do. Because. Because to be around some people that don't like what they are doing, they probably will take it home and they don't make the relationship much better either and are not good example for their kids and other people around them, you know, so do something about it. If you say, well, you know, I don't do this and I don't have that. I don't have a university degree, I don't have that. And so therefore that's an excuse for me not to being successful in life. Life, I said, no, I don't accept that. If I can do it, you can do it. How about that one? If that needs to be a comparison, there are no excuses. There could be excuses and I'm not don't want to minimize that in terms of that Some people are really challenged in terms of whatever that may be. And there are maybe ways and means that they can work on that. But I know several as you do that even under the most difficult of circumstances, I say I admire that person, you know, but they are so positive, they are so happy with life in general. They are good examples. I probably encourage people that think that they don't have it because of something that is missing then say try to add it, you know, in some form. But first and foremost, thank you a good person and that you can and will be good at all the things.

That you do do so good. Ultimate trust. You're talking about having ultimate trust in you, correct? Yes. So good. Okay. So John, this has been incredible and I definitely want to be mindful of your time. So for any of you who want to go deeper and learn more about you, where are some of the best places I can send them?

John, a brink.com is is the website on the Brink is my podcast thing. I do it On a weekly basis, talk to interesting persons. And then obviously my books. I'm hoping to write one book a year, not that for grade seven. Really. I'm a good author. Right. Can you believe it?

I love it.

So, yeah, so that's kind of where we are. I'm on social media, so we be quite active.

I love it. And you know, I love that you're active on social media. I have, you know, I have to ask last question. I swear. I know that I, I am going to be mindful, but like, I hear people all the time say things like, oh, well, I'm. I'm too old for TikTok. And meanwhile they're like 20, 20 years old. And I say that in love, but, you know, what was that learning curve like for you?

Interesting. But I'm always interested in all the things that are happening. I love it, I enjoy it, and that's why we're doing it. And I agree with you in saying, well, I talked to so many people say, well, I'm old. How old are you? I'm 55. I say, well, give me a break, you know, you'd be my grandchild, you know, so I say.

So. I mean, the truth is my mom taught me how to use Instagram, so, you know, it's, it's just, it's just a state of mind.

Yeah. I want to know it. And I may not be able to figure it out, but I'll find somebody as Scott is a big help to me a lot of times. And my team around me and saying, you know, hey, John, we're going to be on Tick Tock. I say, good, you know, so. And then we do Tick Tock. And the first guy, then we did that, we did all these different things. I got a little. He said, john, dance. I said, are you kidding me? I'll dance.

Oh my gosh, I love it.

Always have a sense of humor about what you do. Don't take yourself too serious and laugh at the world around you, but be serious when appropriate, but at the same time time, have a sense of humor about it.

So good, so good. Okay, I'll be sure to link all of that up. So thank you so much for pouring into us today. I really appreciate it.

Thank you. Bye bye.

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