How to Create Building Muscle Buy In from Female Clients

You're listening to the PT Proffitt podcast, episode number 20. Today I'm talking with my friend Candice Smith all about how to create building muscle buy in from your female clients. So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Beverly Simpson, former fitness manager turned online personal training business owner. And this podcast is where smart fitness professionals, including trainers and clinicians discover how to increase client performance and movement, package and position their products and services and get out of their own way so that they can increase their revenue to live a life that they love without sleazy sales. Welcome to the PT Profit Podcast. What's up coach? Thank you so much for joining me here for another episode of the PT Profit Podcast. I'm your host Beverly Simpson here and today I'm sitting down with a really good friend of mine, Candice Smith and we're talking all about how we can create the building muscle buy in from our clients. But before we get started and dive into this episode real quick, if you haven't already, be sure to check out the show notes and join me inside my five free day PT Prize Profit challenge. Inside this challenge I will walk you through a powerful method all about how to generate your first one to five high paying clients using your social media content. So if you are someone who is smart and struggling to create content that sells your products without feeling those scales, sleazy sales selling tactics, and you really just want to connect with your ideal clients and start generating the revenue for your business that you deserve, then be sure if you haven't already to join me inside this free five day challenge. It's going to be fun and I can't wait to see you inside. So without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and roll this interview. We talked all about how we can create building musc for our female clients, how we can create that buy in. Because so many women are still struggling with feeling like I don't want to be bulky and I don't want to strength train. And so we talked all about how we can work away get away from the current fat loss goals, those 365 fat loss goals, how we can actually get our clients on board with strength training, especially especially if they're nervous. Plus, Candy shared a little bit about her life on the road which was really fun and it was just a really laid back fun conversation and I'm excited for you to hear it. All right, without further ado, let's roll that interview. Hi Candice, thanks so much for joining me on this show today. How are you doing?

I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me. How are you today?

I'm great. I'm really pumped for this podcast episode today. This is going to be so great. People are going to love it. Yeah, let's just go ahead and dive right in. Can you share a little bit about who you are, who you serve, who you help? You got there.

All right. All right. Hey, y'. All. So I'm Candice Smith and I'm an online strength coach. I've been in the online space virtually training people, training women specifically. A lot of women come to me to of course drop body fat and get strong, but we move more. I try to get them moved more towards not always chasing fat loss and to spend some time in eating more food or even if we're approaching fat loss, we don't have to drastically cut the calories to poverty macros like a lot of women tend to do. So a lot of women coming to me underfed and over exercise and doing the most, and I'm like, it does not take that much, you know, take that much to get to where you're doing too much. So my background a little bit, it comes from extremism as well. So I can speak to my clients. Actually, my journey started with being turned into veganism. Not veganism, vegetarian. Vegetarian. Sorry. I just wrote a blog post. Talk or email? Talking about both. So kind of almost go interchangeably, but vegetarian in running. And I thought that was the way. Of course, most women think running is the way to go. Nothing wrong with running, but I was not good at it. Even after doing it for a long time, I didn't really enjoy it, but I thought that's what. That's what I needed to do. So, you know, get healthy, get fit or whatnot and not eat meat. And I love meat. So, you know, so from there I finally hung that up and I dabbled a little bit in weights in college. I think Beverly read that at Western Michigan. I started dabbling a little bit when I got into college and. But I didn't take it serious. It wasn't until like early 2000s and I probably date myself, but whatever. I got serious about lifting and eating properly, not underfeeding myself, but eating more whole foods and incorporating meat back in and training with weights and boom. So I was doing great in that area once I got used to and teach myself how to weight train and reading and educating myself. But then I got into physique competitions and that was a whole nother extremism. And between that doing various diets and Getting a little bit of body dysphoria and you know, having, I don't know if I say it's a piss poor relationship with food disordered, a little bit of disordered eating for several years. And then I had to hang up the competing because it just wasn't serving me anymore. And I actually eventually got with a coach that done it right. But it was time to hang up the clear heels and say, you know those clear looking stripper. Stripper heels. That's what a lot of people know them of.

Two quick questions for you.

One. Yeah, yeah.

What caused you to go into competing and were you training people at the time?

I wasn't training people yet. This was pre. Or was I? No, I started my personal training business in 2009. Yes, I was still competing. So yes I was competing but just lifestyle clients, not competition clients. And I went into it because like I love the art, I love muscle and I love the dedication and I'm disciplined in that way to be in the gym, to build muscle, to be eating, you know, eating the food. And I like admired the discipline of it. The showism of was fun to camaraderie with my girlfriends and different things. So that's what kind of led me to it.

I think what a lot of people miss when they're thinking about body competitions is that they get into this idea that oh, that's a job for looks that you need. You know, people are doing that because they want to look a certain way, not recognizing that it's actually a sport and it's. And it requires a sport like training and eating. Intense. Yeah, it is performance based and it's not just about, you know, I think maybe some people get pulled into it because of the aesthetics. But it is a performance based competition or performance.

Yes, it is. Yeah, it certainly is.

So training or you started training some, you started training people while you were in this world?

Yes, Yep, yep. Absolutely. Yeah.

What was that experience like?

Well, I used to. Well first before I went full time into the gym, I was doing like a 9 to 5. So I would train some clients in the evening. Very demanding to say because once you in prep for a show it can be, you know, it's long days, you're training. Well, I was in training the optimal way back then. There's a good side and a bad side to compete in. And at the time I was with the extreme coach and so I was in the gym a lot trying to do my clients and work and all that stuff. But towards the end of my competing years, I Did four years, three to four years. It's been a while now, like two years ago, but I, towards the end of it, I got more balanced. A coach that fed me well, so that matters, you know, when you're busy on your feet all day and whatnot. And then by that time, towards the end of my competing career, if you want to call it that, I was in the gym. So I didn't have, you know, doing office work and going to the gym. So it was better, better management overall. So memories, I wonder.

I know, memories. I'm really pulling you down memory lane. I'm curious, you know, what was the experience like of training clients who are working on lifestyle goals, Right? And here you are in this extreme world and you're trying to get people to like, you know, just maybe cut out your soda intake, right? And you're this extreme world, trying to coach a more lifestyle approach. What was that experience like? Was it challenging? Is that what pulled you out of rec was, is that what helped you recognize that? Oh, I'm living an extreme world?

Yes. Yeah, it definitely is extreme. And getting to like my relationship because if I'm teaching, you know, to do it. Although, you know, I had a point where I was teaching a little bit of the extremism. You know, we all evolve and you know, sometimes it's hard to, you know, hard to say. Like I used to say the whole don't eat fruit too, because that's what I learned from bodybuilding style stuff. I think a lot of the dieting myths and things and dieting history come from the old school bodybuilding or you know, any of the diets back from the 90s to cut this, cut that and so forth. So yeah, definitely with my relationship changing and towards the end I was feeling like, wow, this is extreme. I need to improve my relationship. And I wanted to feel better. I was like, I shouldn't feel like this. You know, it was time for a change. You're kind of just like, no, kind of like with our clients or with clients that come with dieting. Been dieting for years and years and years. You know, they have all these rules and these hang ups that they learn and if, and they starting to feel this like, I can't live like this, I can't, I have no energy and I can't go, I neurotic around food. I can't go out to eat without. You know, it comes with a change. And it's hard for a lot of women to get out of that dieting mindset. So I do a lot of that work still, even with a client that is ready to move into, you know, eating more food and training, it's like, you know, you still get questions like but is it, but is it really okay to eat carbs after a certain time or things of that nature? So yeah. Great.

Okay, cool. So how I'm really excited because we're going to be talking about one of the things that I really love about your work and I've been following your work now for a while. I mean I can't believe it's been so long since we first met. It's like I know I really love about your work and honestly it was you that really helped me kind of get okay with talking about fat loss because I feel like and I've talked about this in podcasts, huge pull in the industry right now to kind of associate working on fat loss with self esteem loss. And that if you're teaching fat loss and it means that you are trying to fit this diet culture which is actually, actually the opposite of what we actually pursue fat loss but not, you know, but still maintain and increase your self esteem. In fact, you need it in order to work out fat loss. So I'm really curious about how you've been able to help your clients go from this diet mentality of like constantly chasing fat loss, chasing diets and how you, how your what's your approach on getting them in on board with this is how you really do fat loss.

Well one express and iterate the fact that one with my clients that it does not have to be so low your calories you've been, I know you've been there fat loss, the way we approach it, the way you used to approach it and the way a lot of people approach it is again in the extremism. It doesn't have to be that extreme. And then just educating my clients on, you know, you've done so many diets, sometimes you don't even know what a carb from a fat is and a protein. I think a lot of time with the knowledge and awareness I take a habit based, habit based approach and a macro based approach. More flexible nutrition. Flexible people know as flexible diet and flexible eating because flexible and doing macros as a necessarily a diet. We're eating macros whether we're tracking them or not. And if you understand what you're eating, not even you don't even have to be if you have, if you have issues. A lot of women you know have done macro coaching macro dieting and they have done it extremism in an extreme way. Right. But I like to get them and show them that no, you can, this is the way, this is how you eat food. It doesn't have to get on these low numbers. What is your protein sources? Where is your protein on your plate? Where's your carbohydrates? Where's your veggies? And also that mindset is huge switching from, you know, I gotta follow this long list of. Or this, this meal plan or I gotta follow this low carb thing. Are you following all this stuff when you feel like crap? So it's like just getting to the client and approaching the fat loss in a more sustaining way, a more way where it can fit into their lifestyle and not the other way around.

So you do have them like track calories or track sometimes.

Yeah, it depends on the client or habit based approach. My background also is in precision with precision nutrition. Yeah. I could say even if we don't track them, we still need to know what a portion is for ourselves. What do I need for protein? How many, you know, portions should I have a day if we're going that. Right. Or also, you know, take the approach, let's look at is that plate balance? You know, a lot of women are still shy of carbohydrates. And you training and you're doing all these, these classes or you going to do your own workout or you, you running and you're not fueled and you wonder why you feel like poo from day to day in the gym and in your life when you, you know, when you're just doing things, you know, your regular daily activities and it all ties back and stems back to always. Still, even if you're not consciously or intentionally chasing fat loss or weight loss, sometimes you're actually doing it. You don't even know it because of your habits from past. Still eating, like I always say, I probably in my literature, I always say eating like a bird. A lot of women are doing that consciously and not consciously.

Yeah. I also think too it's an important thing to note that I think a lot of trainers miss is that we're in this world 100% of the time and that it's so easy for us to just assume that everyone knows what a carbohydrate is or that everyone knows what a pro, that you know what a protein is and a fat and that they all, they automatically, you know, just know it. And that's because we are, we're immersed in it all the time. Not recognizing that people still are very conflicted and confused about what a carbohydrate is. And I think they're also, they're also, you know, confused and conflicted about the nutritional benefits of, you know, fruit because they're just so, you know, things like fruit, things like potatoes.

Yes.

Inundated with diet culture. Telling them that this is gonna do something to them that they don't want.

Yep, yep. That's exactly what it is. Myself, for a while, I didn't eat fruit or potatoes. I love white potatoes and white potatoes is the most satiating carbohydrate. I didn't eat them for years. Years. You know, I'm like, where's he's been all my life? You know, I used to survive just on a grapefruit training in the morning, at 5 o' clock in the morning, like, how healthy is that and women are? You know, we're up, like you said, we're up against that where we have to. It's come down to like, I think yesterday I was talking to my stories about exposure, learning, pulling these foods back in. That's one way in which I help clients, my clients, my strong sisters. Let's reintroduce these foods that you have put on this band list. Assure you that it is not that particular that item causing you to gain all this weight or whatever, or change your fitness or whatnot. I don't know if I answered. It was a lot in there.

You did, you did. You know, I also can talk a little bit about, you know, we talked a lot about food. And I'm curious, how, how have you got your clients to lift like your women clients specifically run into women who feel are scared about getting bulky. What have you done to help clients start to see that bulk A, is subjective and B, that it's a very, you know, like we were talking about with body comp. Competition is an athletic pursuit in terms of its, you know, discipline and training requirements.

Well, one, one way is that I have been getting women that are. What I have to fight is cardio circuits with strength. They're using some weight, but they are not training in a way to elicit like gain strength or maintain their muscle or even build it. So again, it's just education around it. And sometimes I'll even get and teach and show them and even get down, you know, show them different women. This is what happens. You're genetically going to only gain as much muscle as your body, your genetics. And in the pursuit of if you want more muscle, you want to have to eat more food and that still you won't get bulky I mean, that's subjective. I see nothing wrong with bulk. I love muscle and I think the power behind it and the education around why we as women, even if you don't want, you know, muscle to show or whatever, the power of lifting goes beyond that. Our bones, our hormones, our skeletal system, you know, everything, our tendons, our ligaments, injury prevention, you know, it's like investing in our, in our, in our future. And I always say, what's to say to my clients if you were to get too much muscle, you can back off the training, the volume you're doing. You know, you saying one thing, this is how you want to look, but cardio is not. And making that happen, Weight training is going to make that athletic look, the toned look. Cringy word, but that's what our people say, toned. But you have to have muscle to be toned, you know, yeah, you get bulky, we can back off the train, we can cut your volume back. But, you know, it takes years and years and years. I think women don't. They picture body, women like bodybuilding, and they think that is. And then the media, the marketing, all that around it has created this thing that makes it hard for us to get our clients to invest in it. But once they do and they see how strong they are and they can do push ups, it was like, why haven't I been doing this all my life? You know, But I think we got to come from somewhere. We have to learn and grow. And then when you hit that aha moment, when you get consistent with training, sprinkle in the cardio. Not saying not to do the cardio, but if you want that tight fit, athletic look, it falls with weight training.

And. Okay, so you brought up this point, and I definitely want to expand upon it, which is that so many of our clients, and I think some of us too, like, we could get some clarity around these cardio circuits where these clients think that they're weight training because they're using weight. So how the difference between, you know, where does that go in a program? Like if someone, a client was coming to you and was saying, hey, I want to work on, I want to work on losing fat and building muscle. Right. A, can that possibly happen at the same time? And B, where do those cardio circuits live? How do you know that that's happening?

Well, one with the. We'll start with, can you do both if you're a newbie or if you come off of a long hiatus? Most of the time you can do both. But most of the time, when you're doing fat loss and you achieve fat loss. You should be strength training because you want to keep as much muscle as possible when you're in a deficit. And you want to be eating as much calories as you can while in a deficit, while still losing, if that makes sense. So you don't want that whole cutting your food so low. You know, I see women do it all the time. They've been eating, you know, 2,3000 calories and they cut it all the way down to 1200. Yeah.

I don't know where that somehow became this magical number, but everyone thinks 1, 200 is like.

Yeah. So I don't. Yeah, it's crazy, right? So instead of doing that sometimes, you know, it can. I always also try to get clients to. Let's eat at maintenance for a while. Let's find. See where your maintenance falls at and weight train and watch what happens. You start to get stronger, you start to see muscle definition. So we're having a little bit of body recomp where you are, like you said, dropping a little fat and building the muscle or at least maintaining it. And then when you. With the circuits, I'll enjoy them. They have a time and a place. But I like to structure your programming as well. Put your big lifts first. Then we'll give you a little circuit at the end or a finisher, you know, or you short on time in the gym and you're like, I need a quicker workout. Then we can apply a circuit. I think a lot of women, once they see, oh dang, I could do my goblet squats with a 40 pound kettlebell or a dumbbell for eight reps. But if I'm doing that in a circuit, I'm not going to be able to do 40 pounds in my circuit. I have to do like 15 reps. High reps don't always. And little weight don't always give you your best bang for your buck. Yes, you're hitting weights and you're hitting. Getting the cardio piece, but you're breathless and sweaty and having gave your body time to recover to lift the heavier weights. Challenging weights. So sprinkling in that. Go ahead.

No, I was going to say I think that's a good approach in the sense that you can give them your client. You know, it's kind of like to, to me, I compare it to my kids, which is that like my kids give them the option they would probably eat candy for dinner all the time, you know, and then stop asking for it when they, when they feel bad. Right. I mean, I All the time with my children, I will give them dessert with dinner sometimes and they can decide what they want. And oftentimes they'll pick the food that makes them feel isn't candy.

Right.

But the point is that you have to give them a little bit of what they want and a little bit of.

Yep, absolutely.

They're gonna feel bad all the time. And so I think trainer, and I know this was true for me, that it was sometimes hard to create buy in for my client to get them to want to do the eight reps and do the same thing over and over again because they get bored.

Yep, yep.

And it would be easy. It was easy to just be like, okay, I'm going to make them, you know, sweat, I'm going to move. And then they like it. But then they weren't getting the results that they wanted.

Yes, yep.

So it can be a hard balance to find.

Absolutely. Yeah, it really can. And yeah, because they've been doing it so long, they've been doing that way for. So it's like you kind of like sprinkle it up. There comes. And this is when once they see that getting stronger, actually being fit because just because you're doing those circuits, you know, you got a little bit. I'm not saying you won't get any results from that, but if you doing a different circuit and always sweaty, not resting, being random, I always say random does not equal the results. Random workouts do not equal your results that you want. Now I say also tell my client people, not just to my clients, but in general, I'm talking to women. If that's what you want, by all means, go for it. You just want to go in the gym and you can be consistent in that. But I'm getting women that want the results. They want to look stronger, they want to be fitter, they wanted to do push ups, pull ups, squat, their weight, deadlift, you know, their weight. This is what it takes. So I gotta. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it is a little bit hard to buy them in, but what you're doing over here ain't working for what you say you want.

Yeah. But results, Right. When you start getting results.

Yes, people will listen. They do.

What would you say? How have. Well, let me rephrase that question. How have you been managing all of the gym shutdowns that have been going on across the world? Right. How have you been able to adjust your programming for your clients so that they continue to see results if they don't have access to their gyms?

Yeah, well, when we first Started it was just more get people transition into working from working out at home. I do provide. So getting that idea before I jump into the next part, buying in so that you can still. And I talk about this often too in my, in my content and stuff is that we just have to adapt, we have to adjust and I'll work with what my client has. So we may, you know, not be able to do our big lifts as much because we only have dumbbells, but I'm going to still incorporate that style of training. You know, we can't do a barbell deadlift. We're going to still do some type of deadlift, you know, kettlebell deadlift, a Romanian deadlift, single leg deadlift, that type of thing. So just adjusting to that and getting them to see that it's okay. You can still keep some level of fitness and not be starting from zero once the gyms open back up. So a couple of my clients right now have in home gyms and pretty substantial amount and then I have some that just have, you know, dumbbells and whatnot and kettlebells. And myself here, I'm a full time rver. I didn't mention that at the beginning about myself.

So yeah, so I want to hear about that too.

But okay, so I had my equipment fires for myself here in my rv. I got several kettlebells, dumbbells, trx things that can still keep me, you know, in my fitness, enjoying lifting. So. Yeah.

Do you, do you carry a barbell in your rv?

We don't, but we just bought one because we're heading towards Michigan and right now I have a gym here and I'm in Alabama at the moment. We've been here for several months since the whole Rona happened situation. And there's a gym open here, so I've been able to go to the gym, but I think when I go to Michigan, they're still kind of on the lockdown and not many gyms are open. And so we are all set. Like since we hit the road three years ago, we always had some type of equipment with us.

I have to share. You know, this is kind of a sidebar, but our gym is shut down. Our gym in New York has not opened up yet and it's been taxing for me in my mental energy, like I have stuff and I train, my programs are at home programs. But something that I think trainers and I'm just going to say this is an important side note is that you are not your client. So while I'm creating, you know, while I'm having my client buy into at home program. They're going from zero, like they're going from sitting on the couch to moving their body. That's just works best for me. I love the gym and I'm missing. It's been hard, harder transition for me.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I get that. Totally. It was a, let's see, pretty flexible transition for me because of this whole, the lifestyle that we're doing, so sometimes we don't have as much access. But I do love the gym, just like you. And in some days I'm like, oh, I'm tired of these home workouts. And that's normal.

Go through that too.

They do, they do, they do, they do. So I was so happy with one of my clients that don't have like a full like garage gym or whatever that the gyms where she's at have open backed up so you can get back in there. Because you, you are limited to a point, you know, with what you can do at home. And if you're serious about your training, you don't have that stuff. You definitely want a gym so you can get in there and do your thing, you know.

So one of the things too that you were saying, you were talking about is you were saying we can't have fat loss goals 365 days of the year.

Yes.

And so how in your training programs and with your clients, and I know that it's been, you know, it's an education, but when you're programming, like, do you do your, your cycles in 90 days? Like, how do you program out your cycle in terms of getting them being like, okay, this, this is what we're focusing on. This is what we're focusing on.

Yeah.

How do you structure your programming in that sense?

Well, yeah, when it comes to, yeah, 365 days a year, I like to say instead of, you know, a lot of our women coming to us with this goal weight, and sometimes when we do this goal weight, we keep driving, like, what else can I take out? Or you know, if I hit this plateau, what more can I do or take away? Or how much fitness, how much food can I take away? So instead of looking at this long, you know, let's break it down in increments. I also like to just, let's, let's be in the fat loss deficit for either anywhere from 8 to 12 weeks and then segue into a break, a maintenance break, and then repeat the cycle until, you know, you're. This is where I'm at. This is what I Like yeah, in a way. Although it's always I put arrive in.

Quotations because it's people you have to love this process outcomes are fleeting moments arriving. This is about, you know, you can live and sustain it.

Yes, Yep. So if you're in the you want to be stronger and fitter and drop body fat. I think the best approach is when I talked about this on my last blog post is taking a break and getting women into that mindset that you cannot be under. I mean not necessarily under eating but in a DEXA all the time the fatigue comes up, you know, hunger, your hunger raises your fullness non existent sometimes depending on, you know, how your deficit is set up. You know, these things are happening. Psychological things and the physiological things are starting to come up. So why keep standing at the push it. And this is why we get in that yo yo cycle. Because one you pray probably set up your deficit really low and then you can make it for a couple weeks. It's not if, it's when, when, it's when you're being extreme and then you I'm gonna start again and you, you roll and you, you overeat, you binge or what have you. I'm not saying people have been eating binge disorder, but we all, if we under eat we're all going to at some point go into overeating or binging food, however that you know. So then you start over again that yo yo I'm oh this didn't work so I'm gonna do this and whatnot. But so when I eat my clients I prefer, you know, to not. Let's not be or what I talk about all the time is let's not always be eating under our, you know, our maintenance all the time. Let's eat a little bit more food and feel great in the gym and lift if we still wanted to approach some more fat loss. Let's reset the cycle. So then again that whole eating food, eating more food while cutting is the better thing. So instead of every time you go slash your calories, 6, 1000 off. We can get progress with your deficit by taking off 250 calories from where your maintenance was. But if you never have worked up to higher calories, you won't ever do that. You'll always, every time you approach doing a cut, I like to say instead of, you know, weight loss or whatever drop in body fat, it will come off easier because you're not always in a deficit. That's what I think a lot of people don't get every time you approach a diet, you mess with your metabolism. If it happens, it's not running fast when you're in a deficit, ladies. It's not.

Yeah, it slows.

It's people.

People don't realize that your body is super smart. And it is, it will adapt. We're always fighting to get homeostasis.

Always. Yes.

Down in the body in order to get there.

Yeah. That's the purpose of having. Doing like a maintenance phase and. And breaks, deficit breaks, diet breaks, whatever you want to call it in those fat loss phases.

Do you think that you have to work up to that? Meaning, like, do you think it has to be a transitional. A transitional experience, Like a periodized experience from going from a cut to say, maintenance, meaning, like, do it slowly?

Yeah. Well, like if you do, say, I'm gonna do my deficit for 12 weeks, right at that end, whatever amount of body fat you dropped or whatever this weight has changed to when we'll start with that and see what your. Adjust your calories so it can be at a maintenance level. Okay.

So would you like just do it overnight? Like, would you say, okay, great, you're at a deficit tomorrow?

No, not necessarily. Depending on the client, you can't rip the band aid off and do it or you can incrementally raise the calories up to that, which will minimize some body fat gain.

Got it.

So, yeah. And then if you do rip the band aid off and go right back to it, it's usually just water weight, which women you know with the scale how we are. Some of us are still with the scale. We don't understand that the body is weighing the. I use the example, the entire being muscle, your hair, your limbs, everything is being weighed. We use it as one data point or we don't if you really don't have a sound relationship with it. But yeah. Yep. So you can go either that route slowly, work back up to it, or you can say, hey, I'm ready to eat more food right now. Let's do this. Yeah. Okay, great.

Well, I definitely wanna be mindful of your time. This has been so awesome. Thank you for hanging out with me today.

Yeah.

Where can people find you?

They can find me. I hang out the most on Instagram as beautyofstrength and then Facebook. I'm over there sometimes, but I think the party is happening on Instagram. My website is Candacersmith.com and that's the places I hang out.

Okay, great. So I will definitely link all of that up in the show and then I'm going to Leave you with one last question because it's fun. And I'm so curious, what caused you to go into the RV life and what has that been like?

Oh, wow. Well, I love traveling. And before we started this, we were always gone visiting family, you know, just flying or driving in various things. And it was just something always in the back of our head. Like, it would be fun to, like, visit the state parks, be able to work from wherever. Both me and my husband, we were both remote. My stepchildren are grown. It was easy to transition. We were actually, at the time, renting a house. We almost was getting ready to buy a house, and this RV thing popped up. It was like we've been wanting to travel and kind of live where we're park it, home is where we park it thing. So let's not. Let's not. Let's back off the house buying and finish our lease, sell everything, put what we want to keep in storage. Guess what's in storage? My gym, My garage gym. Because before I transition fully on to online doing online training, nutrition coach, strength and nutrition coaching, I was still training in person, but I was not in a gym no more. I had my own space in my garage. Had converted the garage to a gym. So we put. Sold a few pieces of equipment and put everything. Put everything else in storage.

Are they still in storage?

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Are you intending to do the RV life forever?

No, I don't think forever. Maybe a few more years. But we just really have liked being able to pick up and go. Although a lot of people see it as glamorous, it's still like, we're not like, you know, when you pull in a park, you see most people are here just for vacation or a weekend thing. We still just. Our house is on wheels. We have the opportunity to go, you know, all around the country. Very interesting. If you want to know more about, like, the RV life, we do. My husband and I do have a YouTube channel and an Instagram and that's tripping with the Smiths and on Facebook and on Instagram. So, yeah, it's a very interesting lifestyle. It is not the American traditional way, but.

But I mean, right now, what is. No one's really right.

No, no, no.

Where's your favorite spot so far?

Since when we hit, we were traveling more often. Rona has slowed that down. But our first year and a half, we did a lot of national parks, and Zion was my favorite in Utah. I like Utah. I like, like the coast area, Oregon, in that area, which hopefully we'll get back to hopefully in the new year around that time. Cool.

That's so cool. All right, Candy, thanks so much for hanging out with me today. I really appreciate it and we'll catch you next time.

All right. Thank you for having me.

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