Trump, Race, Religion & Entrepreneurship: Billy Gene is Marketing Debates Ryan Moran

You drink? Are you good?

Well, it'll be more interesting if I'm drinking while we're doing.

What's up, brother?

Well, thank you for coming to hang out. We appreciate you. Thank you so much. Appreciate you.

I learned a lot.

Three. So at the time I had three. And we're like, nope, I get it. And now I'm seeing it like we have a lot of people. What it feels like. But dude, once we're going like boys, doesn't it feel like even though we have a lot of people, we're always understaffed on like there's just projects from. We teach. Right. So every Tuesday there's like. So we do production. So we'll do multi cams. So there's people to manage that. And then there's content. Just shorting up micro content for Instagram and YouTube. And then there's interviews and then hey, chopping it up. Then there was an event so they're shopping up. Then there's the. The daily series or the weekly series behind the Genius.

How is all that sustainable for clients?

This is for us. This is.

I don't even. I even know what your model like what, how.

Oh yeah. So I'll give this short done agency for like four years. So that's why I learned everything.

Yeah.

And delivering results. And then after that, the last like year and a half, we've really been focused on education and building like the school account, like kind of alternative. So the short two models, 2500 members made 109 bucks a month. 500, 600 people paying five grand every six months for a high level shit.

Yeah.

That's it for the leadership site. Weekly training. Like me, I bring a guest once a month and that's really.

Yeah. So we kind of do that and just create content, man. That's like the only thing that separates us right now is just puts in the market and no one wants to do videos. So I'm just quadrupling down on it. And while it's not that competitive, just buying as much as possible.

That's awesome. I didn't realize Gary had 23 people on team Gary. That's nuts.

Just nuts. And after that it was like, I get how he's using it. That's why he's fucking everywhere all of the time. Because he's just got people making me. He's got fucking people, dude.

Hey, buddy. What's up? It's great to see you. Great to meet you.

You're drinking. Good.

Well, it'd be more interesting if I'm drinking while we're doing this.

Can I do a Jack and Coke too?

Red wine if you've got it. Red wine?

Yeah. If we don't have it.

We got red wine. Vodka tonic?

Yeah, vodka tonic substitute.

So we'll go like 20 minutes and we'll do kind of high level. I'll go to your store really quick. Who the hell are you, man? Really quick. You and Brian are not related?

No, not. Not. Not at all.

You have to get that all the time, though.

So I go by my full name, Ryan Daniel Moran.

Okay.

Partially because I was really tired of getting confused. Well, what's great now? What's great now?

You guys know each other?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But it always used to be. I have a great story for you, but. But it used to be that I would. People always thought I was him, and now he's getting it. And so I feel vindicated. But I got off stage at an event, it was like 3,000 people. And when I got off stage, my brother called. And my brother very rarely calls me. And there was something going on at home. So they have the phone, and I'm going for a walk around the conference, and I look out of the corner of my eye and there's this guy following me. I walk around the conference, and he's following me. I'm on the phone with my brother. I don't want to be bothered. It's very clear that I don't want to be bothered. And he's literally following me around. So I see him, and I stand where I am, talking to my brother for like 10 minutes, a really deep conversation. And the guy literally waits, staring at me. So I decide to book it to the other side of the hotel.

So now you're sprinting all the way.

And so now I'm walking real fast on the phone, and the guy fricking follows me. And I kid you not, 10ft from me. Never broke. Never broke vision. And he's following me all the way. I must have walked. I must have walked five minutes in the other direction.

So it was just stalking me right now.

Yeah. And I came all the way back. He stayed with me. Finally, I hang. I hung up. I'm like, what do you want? I have your wallet. And he turns to me and says, brian, I Love your get 10,000 fans. Course.

Like that is Brian Moran. Never talk to me again.

That's really fucking funny, though. Well, that's clarity, because I saw that. I was like, I never knew for the longest time.

And I was like, okay, well, no relationship.

Well, you Both got great shit, huh?

Thanks.

All right, so which camera double.

Recording.

My mic is not on? Is that you said.

Thanks. Any. Any topics off limits? Can we talk politics and religion? Can we curse? Can we.

There's. If you've ever been interviewed on anything, this is the most. No limit fucking shit. Okay.

We were talking about dick drawing earlier today on camera. We're talking about dick drawings.

The clever investor was here and we talked.

He said, reroute that shit to a dick paper.

Yeah. So we made an offer.

You know what, bro? We made an offer.

Was five minute expiration this morning. And literally when I hit five minutes, I said, look, if you don't buy this right now, once this hits five minutes, you're going to miss the opportunity and this website's going to redirect to a dick pic. So that's happened and we fucking did it.

There's no limit to it. You can go beyond.

All right, got it.

It'll be all right, man.

So a. A psychic approached me after. Thanks, man. A psychic approached me after I spoke today.

Yeah.

And told me that I was going to be on primetime TV within the next nine months.

Okay, give me the psychics number.

And so now so are you.

That was a pound.

Oh, sorry. I thought you were interviewing me with an invisible.

American culture.

This is not a thing.

And bring up Paul, as in Chris. I bet. I bet it's. If she's right. I bet it's the religious stuff that gets us on primetime. I bet it's that I talk a lot about religion.

Like anti.

So I went. I went to.

Oh, let's say for camera. Let's record. Oh, we are recording. I would take some of the. So behind the scenes. If you guys just saw. That was just off camera. Stuff that was on camera, which we love. All right, so ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, you're here with Billie Jean Shaw III and Brian Moran from Sam.

It's funny because if you guys have been in the industry, confusing.

Disrespectful.

So we have Ryan Daniel Moran here, creator of capitalism or owner of capitalism.com.

I am he.

And dude, I've seen this guy. I mean, you guys know, if somebody's in this motherfucking office, they're the real deal. They're great at what they do. And I.

Except for Grant.

Except for Grant. We hate Grant. But for me, I've objectively gotten to see his progression over the years just from afar. Just like you guys see other people in the industry. I've seen his stuff. I Think I'm on the email list. And so from my understanding, because we don't have a ton of time today, I want to give you guys the background, tell me if I'm right. So there was an E comm. It sounds like you were one of the oh yes, here we have a yes, a yes buzzer and a no. And that's bullshit.

Yeah, this is hella determine if you're.

On the right track. So fact number one, you really came up in the digital marketing game in the E comm world. Okay, so we're good with the yes there. And then from the E comm world that kind of escalated into something. Okay, so what is that something? Oh, then you kind of coaching people on E Commerce. No, here it was then you sold one of your E comm brands.

Two of them.

Two of them for a lot of money.

Yeah, Enough.

Cool.

Yeah, yeah.

So built up. Not only just like this is before, everyone was talking about Amazon dropshipping and shit. Like you're in the game early and then actually building up a brand and then selling it twice. And then I saw, and this is where it caught my attention, raised my eyebrows like, well, what is this? How is this guy operating? Because then I saw your coaching people on how to build and sell and then it became a much bigger play. And then I saw you do the conference about capitalism and I was like, okay, where's this guy's head at? And I saw a switch of brands. So when I first saw him at Traffic Conversion, the first thing it is, I waved him down. Yo, man, I've been following your stuff. What the fuck are you doing? Because all I saw was E comm stuff and then this other stuff and now I'm trying to figure out what.

Am I up to?

What's he up to?

What's, what's the play here?

What's the play? So really fucking successful guy, smart ass like myself.

And that's it, man. That's all we got. So I don't know what's about to happen. I just know the camera's rolling and we're doing the damn thing.

All right, so you want to know the play? Yeah, I'll tell you the play. All right.

The money button.

This is my favorite. You're missing this one.

All right, buddy?

I'm very aroused. So the play, like when I was a kid.

All I ever dreamed of being was being the general manager of a baseball team. I was fascinated. Not. Well, okay, no, I'm an uncoordinated white boy.

I'm pretty sure Brian Moran got his baseball.

I'm out of here.

I wanted to be the wheeler and dealer.

Really fuck it up. He's coming here tomorrow morning.

I'm farting on this chair right now for Brian Moran. So I was fascinated by having the business of baseball, but I went to college thinking I was going to be a pastor.

Okay.

So I. And we can go there. That's a fun story.

Were you raised, like, Catholic, Protestant?

I was raised in the Baptist church. Okay. Yeah. A very, very conservative part of the church. I was totally white Baptist.

Okay. It's a different row.

That is. Yes, it is. Very different. Very.

So I realized at one point I was not on the path to be a general manager. And I also realized that that was one job and you weren't in control of getting that job. So I realized if I was gonna be the wheeler and dealer behind a baseball team, because I did not finish my ministry degree, I decided I wasn't sure what I believed. Why?

I don't want to skip past that because I think a lot of people are faced with this in their life when they start really making decisions for themselves. So here you are, you're kind of determined to go the pastor route and then you pull out. That's. That's not a small decision, especially if you come from a background that's really religious. I have to imagine you pissing people off.

Well, I disappointed. Well, I piss some people off now when I talk about it. But I didn't piss people off when I decided it wasn't going to go that route. I really wasn't sure that I. That I believed what I was brought up to believe. And that was not me thumbing my nose at God. That was not me trying to be an obstinate Christian. That was me genuinely seeking and deciding that I did not believe what I was brought up to believe, which is a very, very painful process. And I'm actually filming a docu series about it right now. It's called Losing my Religion, which is completely unrelated to capitalism.com and not part of the empire.

That's my style.

But you will see that in 2000. This is 2018, right? Yeah, you'll see it start to be released this year. But anyway, decided if I was gonna be a part of a baseball team, I had to buy the baseball team. I had to own the baseball team. And so I started building my empire and yeah, came up in the digital marketing world. I applied those skills to E Comm. I've built an eight figure business. I've sold a business for Eight figures. I now partner and mentor people who are on that path because that's my skill set right now. And I know that I can incubate those businesses from zero to eight figures and help them exit. And the more of those as possible, the bigger the empire gets. But what. What I have. Have realized. First cup. That I'm probably more drunk than you.

I grew up in the church. Wine's okay. So.

You'Re sinning, you're sinning. But I'm all good grapes. And what I've realized is, is that the best opportunities come from what we do. Right. Of raising up the next generation of entrepreneurs. And I believe that capitalism is the solution to the world's problems. The opportunity came up to acquire capitalism dot com. And that's why I made the pivot.

What's that fucking cost?

It was a six figure acquisition.

Wow.

For an empty domain name. Yeah.

Wow. And that's just because you believe in what was.

Yeah. I studied economics in college after I decided I wasn't gonna be a pastor during the 2008 presidential election, during the recession and I was building my first business. Capitalism is the word that represents everything that I believe in. And look, we have arguments about politics all the time, about the president, about legislation. The only thing that matters is you taking control of your life. The government can't help you. The government, nothing. It can do nothing. It only has what it takes from citizens. Only has what it takes from productive people and productive businesses.

So let's get like some heated up shit here.

Let's heat it up.

Says Democrat. No. Republican. No. Entrepreneur. Yes. I fucks with that. But if I have to ask you, as an entrepreneur, do you like Trump?

I do.

Why?

Yeah. So I'll go there. And it is.

This is good because you got a black and white guy. Yeah. And sitting here talking about Trump. That's good tv, baby.

It's also super not popular to say I like Donald Trump.

Which I actually commend you for admitting that because everyone I know that likes Donald Trump, they'll do some shit like this. Do I like Donald Trump?

Yeah. So now I did not vote for the man. I voted for one of his opponents. But he has won me over in a couple ways and I'll tell you why. First of all, wow, is it like.

The anti women shit or anti people or the grabbing by the grabbing by the pussy? Which one? He's got a lot of good shit.

So there's a couple of reasons. One, I think the tax bill was a huge step in the right direction.

No One's mad at saving money.

And if you believe that that is a tax cut for the rich, you do not. I don't think you understand how taxes work. The bill and the legislation was a huge step in the right direction. I think the dramatic reduction in regulations was a huge step in the right direction. And I think the Supreme Court nominee, Neil Gorsuch was a. Was. I don't think you could have picked a finer Supreme Court nominee. Those three things I derailed.

Do you think he's racist?

Neil Gorsuch?

No, no, no. Donald.

I don't know and I don't.

Do you think he is, though?

I don't know.

Do you think. Do you think he is?

I don't know and I don't care to speculate.

I care to speculate a little bit.

But I only care.

That'd give you more tax dollars.

No, I only care about the results that come from.

The legislation that is released. I don't care to comment on. On people's beliefs, because that is me speculating.

Okay? So I don't know where to speculate. Donald's racist. I don't know if it's speculation. I think motherfucker's racist. But you can still like it. I guess my question is this. I genuinely don't give a fuck about politics. I think I have a stance in view, except I think you go a little bit deeper. But for me, specifically, when I tell you I don't care about politics, I don't watch the news, I don't vote. Sorry, guys, none of this shit except for Barack Shout out. Because I like.

So to your point, and this is the other half of why I like Donald Trump. And we could analyze certain legislations or political decisions, but the other reason I like Donald Trump is because I think he ushers in an era where people realize that government can't help them.

I think you have such pushback on the left against Donald Trump. You have to recognize that you cannot put your faith in government. You have to recognize that.

So here's what I'll say about the Donald thing. Ironically, there are some things that I do like about Donald Trump. I like the fact that he really showed you. Do you guys remember? I don't remember this. A couple years ago, there was one of those roasting ceremonies, the political roasting ceremonies, and someone made a joke about Donald Trump becoming the next president. And for the entire first year of this man having the idea it was the laughing stock of the fucking country, everyone thought it was so ridiculous that they completely fucking clowned on him, da, da, da, etc. It was like the best thing I ever seen. And then all of a sudden, there was first seeing who was going to be the Republican nominee and he got that. No one thought he was going to get that. And then everyone thought he was going to fucking get annihilated by his look. And then he still won. Does this sound familiar to any fucking entrepreneur out there who's on their journey? Nobody thought you would do it. Not your friends, not your family, not your anybody. And then he fucking does it. Because that's the power of belief in yourself, like Donald or not. That's some fucking good shit. Agreeance.

Agreeance.

Now, here's what's fucked. I like that word. Here's what's fucked up. Anybody who gets what they want by inspiring hate and dividing people is a fuckboy to me. And that's why Donald Trump will never have my respect. I don't give a fuck about any of the political shit. But someone who rallies hate anger, I've never seen people so divided in, like, hatred. And him never to really speak on that and try and bring everyone together makes me fucking not like him as a person, because to me, that's cheap. Being really intelligent like he is and then preying on to mean the lowest of the lowest tiers and inspiring them to come over disgusting.

Who are the lowest, tears, the poorest.

And the most ignorant is what I will say. So to me, if you take.

There's no. Because no politician has ever marketed.

Not just, not just him. I think, I think it's. I think it's all case, but it's with hate. That's. That's the difference. It wasn't with inspiration, it was with hate. It was with anger.

Will you give me an example of that?

If you look at the entire course of his campaign and you look at the rallies and the environments that were created at his rallies, every single person Make America Great Again was fucking yelling out racials. Not every single person. I'm, I'm exaggerating, but there's multiple examples of the people there just yelling out racial slurs and sexist shit. And you saw the fights and the shit. All he had to do was go on stage and say, knock that off. He didn't.

So, so, so is, is your concern or your grievance with that that he didn't call it out?

To me, it's. He could have stopped it and he didn't.

Do you think so?

Showed his colors for sure. The same way that he rallied it. He could have Stopped it. To me, he's using the same tactic that Hitler used. Hitler was a great leader. Hitler was super inspirational. Hitler led the masses. Hitler changed the world. Hitler murdered millions of people. Hitler made comic books and compared Jews to rats. And literally that was his thing. To me, it was the scariest thing ever as a black man. Watching him really inspire people. I saw in Vegas, when I was up for the 10x conference, I was walking in Vegas and I saw this.

Who goes to the 10x conference?

I saw this kid with this 13 year old kid with a Make America Great Again shirt. And I hated the fact that all I could think about was, fuck, this kid's probably a racist shithead.

So Bill.

And that's judgmental as fuck.

Yeah, that's your own junk.

Watch this. Ironically, the reason why I feel that way is because that's been the fucking message for the last two years. Whatever it is behind Donald, like that's been the commentary that's been shown. And maybe, maybe the media is against them, maybe it's not. But to me, it's no coincidence that everyone in the world would agree that since Donald Trump has been in a conversation, America at least at its, at a glance, has been more divided than it's been since fucking segregation. So all the progression that it seemed like we were making, so you took a step back. So having said that, again, policy wise, business wise, what do you accomplish? He did the impossible. Fuck yeah. Raise the roof. You showed everybody what's possible. You can literally be the president when everybody thinks you're a joke. Amazing. But as a person, which is more important to me is what you inspire, the kind of people you create around him. Shitty.

So. So if I may.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have, I have no idea what it's like to be discriminated against. I have no idea what it's like to be treated a certain way because of skin color, because of gender. I've never had to fear walking home because I'm a woman. I've. Every time I have been hit on by a member of the opposite sex, I've enjoyed it. So I've never been.

So. Some people call that privilege. I would just say I don't know what it is like to be discriminated against. That. So I'm totally sensitive that you might have a different set of experiences to judge. An event like a rally where.

And for note, I do believe in judging. Everyone's like, oh my God, don't judge. Shut the fuck up. Everyone. You should judge the fuck out of everybody. Here's the difference. You shouldn't treat someone differently because of your opinion of them. That makes sense. You should still be kind to everybody, but judge the fuck out of them because stereotypes are true most of the time.

That's, that's interesting. I'm not sure I could say that and get away with it, but so, so, so I'.

Curveball.

So I'm looking at a different lens. I'm looking through a different filter than you might be looking at it. I'm, I'm not sure that Trump could have stopped that. I think there was a, A, a very radical wing that was waiting for their hero. They saw him whether he was or not. I don't necessarily blame Trump for that, but I will give you that there should have been more condemnation. And again, I did not vote for the man. I'm, I'm only evaluating policy, and I think policy has been a huge step.

In the right direction, and that's cool.

And I'm also very optimistic that the pushback that is happening against the current president will result in more solutions, because they are starting to see that government cannot be trusted. A great example of this would be in the tax bill. The individual mandate was repealed, which, as someone who doesn't believe in government involvement and thinks that government causes more problems than it can, than it solves, I, I was very pleased that the individual mandate was removed. What you saw a few weeks later was you had Bezos, Buffett coming together and saying, what can we do about health care prices? That is how it is supposed to be. So when you see that crumble, you have solutions.

You're running game on people right now, which I like.

I'm running game on people.

You're. You're educating them, which I like, because a lot of people don't even realize that.

Oh, yeah. I mean, look, the brain is wired to find simple solutions. So the gun control debate, right now.

When you initiate fear, you say, I want a solution to this. And so the solution is government should do something about this. And for the record, I would probably support common sense gun legislation, reform. I just haven't seen any that I think would make a meaningful difference.

And I'm with you on that. The gun control thing.

Well, I mean, gun control aside, the demand is often, I want blacks in the building, shout out, I want government to do something about it. And I genuinely don't think that government can do anything beneficial. Give me a program that we all like.

Watch this. We're on the same page there. And to me, this is gonna sound crazy. I was Actually speaking with my girlfriend's best friend, one of her best girlfriends, and she's super in the political conversation. Jenny, I love you. I just don't give a at all. Politics. Then she said something interesting to me and she mentioned, why aren't they making policies at X, Y and Z? And I said, dude, do you know who makes the policies? And she's like, yeah, like lawmakers. No, it's the fucking influencers, the politic, the politicians completely just do what the people push them to do, period. The people do. What the fuck Kim Kardashian said. You guys think that's a fucking joke, but that's the realest shit ever. Their family is the most followed family in the entire world of all time. And with one click of a button, they can send a message out to the world faster than any government or individual on the fucking planet. You think policymakers are going to save you? People are fucking controlling your road with this thing. It's nuts. Yeah, you're totally right, Captain Save a who? You think someone's gonna fucking save you? Shut the fuck up. I love Trump's like, get over it. Shut. Like what? One thing I love about Trump, ironically, is the fact that when like politicians have to traditionally have had to run these perfect campaigns where they act completely like they've never done anything bad in their life. If there's any dirt that comes up on them, their life is over. And then there's scandals and da, da, da, da. And Donald Trump said, I don't give a fuck. Yes, I cursed. Yes, I said this. I'm fucking human. To me. That message won to me the fact that he was fucking real. Even though he's a shitbag, he was an honest shitbag. You gotta respect that. You gonna be a shitbag being honest shitbag. Woo. Period. Right? Like he's a fucking honest shitbag. And that's what I appreciate about Trump. He's not gonna fucking bullshit. She's looking at him, dirtbag.

He's like, I think he might bullshit.

I'm fuck these hoes. And that's what he said, I think. Is that what he said? I fucking sounds.

Well, no, I wouldn't go as far as to call him an honest person. I might call him a persuasive or an effective person, but I don't know that honest would make the list of adjectives that I would.

Here's what I lost for ascribe to Dumbledore. That's the only thing that we can kind of change. The only thing I didn't like is when I think was the president of the Ku Klux Klan.

When he's like openly like, oh, Donald Trump. Da da da. And Donald wasn't like, get the fuck away from me there. He was just silent. To me, that was like, yo, that, that one actually scared me. That was like when I was like, holy shit. Like I get how I finally understood how Hitler was able to rally an entire.

So. So I don't really got it. I don't think that's a fair comparison.

I think it wasn't to the extreme, but I saw how it was beginning to possible because the, the rhetoric, the narrative around it, like to me that was so absurd that someone could publicly not denounce that running for president. But to see that he was winning popularity at the time, it was mind blowing.

It was like, I think, I think he compromised more popularity by making that mistake than he won over. I, I think anytime you invoke Hitler into a comparison, I would say that you are, you are giving up the argument.

Fair enough. Well, I don't say give me the argument, but like I said, I didn't say he was Hitler, but I saw.

Hitler's movement got started. Because to me, when I look at back not being in that time, it just sounds like something so impossible to, to convince people to murder millions of people. It sounds so crazy.

But if I may, if I may, Hitler could be persuasive when Hitler was persuasive because he was coming off a very economically depressed time in Germany. Germany was crippled by the Treaty of Versailles in World War I. As a result, they went through an economic depression. Then when people are hungry, they do weird shit desperation. So the primary need of first part of our brain, the reptilian part of our brain is survival. Ultimately, if you can make people afraid, you will do what, whatever, whatever you want. Everybody, every, every politician appeals to that. And so, so I, I think it's an unfair comparison. I think if, if you're, if you're initiating hate.

I, I don't, I don't think that you could draw a comparison to Hitler because Hitler was promoting survival. And I, and I don't think that's, that's a fair comparison.

All right.

I mean, I think if you're, if you're promoting hate in 2017, 2018, you're going to turn off more people than like, we are better than that.

It just happened. It just happened. He promoted, hey, he's the President. It just happened. That, that's what I mean. It's like to me, these things, everyone who Makes the argument, oh, like racism said, it's so far away. Let's take. Let's take color out of it. Let's just go with the gender thing. If a president.

Let's go less controversial. Let's go gender instead of.

That's not less controversial. That's just different. Different kind of controversy. Right. But as two men speaking out, and we only know part of the feeling. Right? But you got kids? How old are you?

Kids? I have one. I have a daughter. Two and a half.

My daughter is two also. Almost two and a half. The President of the United States, representative of our country.

Is speaking about women grabbing her by the pussy. A news reporter walks out.

That'S your daughter. Is that really somebody that you would want to represent our country? Like, if that would you want. Like, that's when I think of that. And now having a daughter, does that immediately make him not qualified to be a president?

To me, I don't. I don't say no, it. I don't say it disqualifies somebody. Do I want them representing me? No, not at all. And I'll even say, first of all, I'll say, since having a daughter, I've become way more sensitive to issues. Like, I recognize I've never had to walk home at night and feel afraid.

Right?

I've never had that experience. So I recognize that women have unique issues that I've never had to experience. I might argue that men have their own set of issues as well that women don't quite understand.

Is my penis big enough?

I mean, I've never had to worry about that.

Again, stereotyped. I'm black. Neither am I. But how do you happen out there?

I'm just a freak. So.

I'm sensitive to the argument that you're making.

This one.

Look, I think rhetoric matters. And I know when Donald Trump tweets, I'm embarrassed. And as an American, I'm kind of embarrassed when he talks. But I think what's more important than rhetoric is policy, because it's the only thing that I can rationally analyze. And I think the policy has been a big step in the right direction.

And I think there's a core there that we're on the same page of is like, you know, arguing with a professional athlete, a musician. He's doing that dumb shit. But whatever the fuck, the policy matters to me, where it crossed the line was when I felt like hate was being leveraged to totally get it. But I'm with you. It's like, I think there is a lot of bullshit where people are getting distracted by him making a fucking dumb comment that someone else would say and focus on if he really does improve the economy. You're right. The policy and all that outweighs the fucking stupid shit that doesn't create hate.

So. And let's. Let's flip it. I think Barack Obama was one of the most pleasant, respectful.

Well articulated politicians I've ever seen. I would love to have a beer with the guy.

Same Z's.

And there wasn't a damn thing he did that I agreed with.

Okay.

Policy wise. Right. So I think he was respectful and poised. I loved the rhetoric. But the policy, not a damn thing did I agree with.

Here's a guy that believes we create our own economy. Both of us would agree that, yeah, as humans, we're responsible for our own thing. So you have to choose a president who's making policies which we both agreed on earlier, doesn't really do shit, or ones who's representative of the type of man that we want our children to grow up as. Who do you choose?

Heavy question, right?

I think this is a question that is only relevant in the last few.

Years, but it's a stumper. Right? You know, that shit was fire, baby. Somebody watching, you know, that was a good point.

It's a great point and a fascinating analysis for where we are in the cycle because I think governments are crumbling. It's inevitable that it does crumble. I think Donald Trump accelerates that because it makes people lose their faith in government. And I think you can expedite that process. But I am.

Government policy, by getting involved in markets and doing anything, invariably slows things down. I think the health care bill is a perfect example of that. We did so much damage to people by trying to get government involved in health care.

I'm going to ask you this. And this is because. I don't know. Right. This is like your space. You actually said this shit. Again. I'm not.

You know what's funny is we just made the decision that I should talk about politics less publicly. And.

I love the conversation. But like ultimately, I think we all make. I don't, I don't change the world by talking about politics. We change people by, by, by giving them the freedom to live life on their own terms and that changes their policy.

Talking about politics openly. Own terms.

Greed.

There's the old what the is a quote. Greed is the.

What is this number, number one something is greed. Whatever the fuck. I don't remember what the. The saying is.

You could say greed was the root of all Evil.

Greed is the root of all evil. Right?

Not a real Bible quote, by the way.

I didn't say it was Bible.

Well, that's where it's often quoted. But it, but it's misquoted all evil. Eve ministry student.

Yeah, so. So again. And I mean I went to Catholic school, private high school, middle school, college, University of San Diego, studied so many Old Testament, New Testament, know the Bible in and out. That's the one thing I do know. But.

Oh, that would be a fun follow up. Bible trivia.

Yeah, we can go in there. But going with like the student quote, I don't give a. Greed is the root of all evil. My question, not a real quote. It's a quote because people say it. Right. So you know what I'm saying when I fuck you, Ryan.

So my question to you is this. Take policymakers out of it.

Is that Chris record?

Yeah, that's the homie.

All right, cool.

You know Chris.

Yeah, go on.

You wanna bring Chris in? Can you grab Chris?

All right, go on.

We'll do guest appearance. All right, so my question to you is, remove those policy things. Do you really believe that all of these leaders who do have control.

Will do what's best for the greater good versus their own personal gain?

I think we all have a bias.

In other words, if there was no law against murdering someone, people will fuck people up all the time. I think there needs to be some kind of regulator on people because I do think people are. They try and be good, but I think people are greedy and selfish before they're good and therefore they act accordingly, which hurts other people.

So is a question about greed or is a question about would we kill each other if there was no.

The question is, would we end up destroying our economy even worse if we were just let everybody run free because everybody's worried about themselves, not the greater good?

No.

Why?

Because.

Economics is driven by exchange. And I will not give you anything unless I think that what I'm getting in return is better than what I'm giving up. That is that so. There is. There is. I've identified two mindsets. One is one of scarcity and one is of abundance. And this completely changes your worldview. You either think that there's a fixed amount, right, and we're all after the fixed amount, or you believe that we're creating the pie, we're all baking the pie together. I think we're all baking an unlimited pie.

And it's capitalism by default. That means there's tears. Not everybody can be rich.

Sure, they can not everybody can be rich. Absolutely they can.

It's how capitalism works.

Are you evaluating this on relative wealth or you evaluating on real wealth?

Everyone can't be rich.

Absolutely they can.

How?

Okay, look, a hundred years ago, everyone watching this is living a better life than 100 years ago where you're talking about relative wealth. You're talking about can everyone be at the top? And that is relative. That. That's like saying can everyone.

So who decides what people are like? Well, I'm cool with my wealth just being this versus my wealth being that.

So the comparison you're making is can everyone be healthy?

No, absolutely not.

What do you mean? What? No, it's the same argument.

Can.

No. Can you be healthy or can you be at the top of health? Health is, is improving exponentially because of breakthroughs.

Yeah, you have a million bucks. Everybody has a million bucks.

What happens to prices.

Mr. E. Com? What happens to prices? Everybody has a million bucks. Everyone has a million bucks. Is everybody rich or the prices just go up and is everybody broke?

Again, that's a different argument. No, it's the same one argument.

It's the same one.

Look, so compared to even 50 or 100 years ago, lifespans are longer, health is better, center of livings are higher, we have all of our basic needs met. Okay, we can do random things like this that didn't exist and everyone has access to why.

That quote make America great again pisses me off. This fucking better than we've ever been before.

The standard of living has increased at a faster rate than it has ever increased because of free markets and capitalism. Everyone, every living person, if you are in a first world nation.

So that's what?

Vastly richer, vastly wealthier. But by, by.

By a measurement that we can only imagine, okay, we live the life of kings of a couple hundred years ago. Literally everyone in a first world nation right now is living a vastly better life. Everyone can be rich. Fine, Give it, give this 25 years. In 25 years there will be so much wealth and there will be so much abundance that we will. Everyone will have all of their basic needs met.

Yeah, but now you're talking about. What the fuck? Who talks about that all the time? Elon and a few other people about what's where the, what's the term? About how we're gonna have to figure out, with automation coming in and a lot of the jobs being replaced, some kind of like, hey, just for being born, you get X amount.

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's the dumbest idea ever invented.

Universal income that's the.

Yeah, we can smash that one if you want to smash that one, but go on.

No, no, I don't. You know what I mean? But it sounded like you were alluding to that.

No, no. We don't need a universal basic income. And here's why. Because as you have all of this abundance, prices come crashing through the floor. So our daughters. Our daughters won't have driver's licenses because there will be driverless cars. And they will. I do.

Yeah, me too.

That's pretty awesome. Let's play a big dick contest for a second. Which one is yours?

Okay, so in fairness, before. Shut up.

Before. Before I have the P100D.

Okay. Here's why I don't get the P100D. The Tesla is my girl's car. My girl and my 2 year old daughter do not need to be going a fucking 140 miles per hour in like fucking three seconds.

Can I. Can I tell you a fun story? Yeah. My daughter's name is Esther.

Yeah.

And I put her in her car seat, which is. I have a $200,000 Tesla with a car seat in it, which is kind of funny and ironic.

I got my Billy outside car seat.

In the booth and we'll be driving a rapid.

Forget to talk about. They got car seats in the back.

We'll be driving. We'll be driving. We'll be driving a lot of car seats. We'll be driving around the. We'll be driving around the neighborhood. And she'll say, daddy, play Wii? I was like, oh, sweetheart, you want to play Wii? And she says, yeah, I'll say, okay, go ahead. And she goes, 1, 2, 3. And I smash the accelerator and she goes.

Okay, anyway, fair enough. So we were talking about universal basic game. I love that. We're not talking about E commerce. This is so great. I love you. I love you for not asking me.

About, you know, me, like, I just keep the road and I. I would have flowed to E Comm if it was boring. I'm just like, you kind of got my attention, you know.

So you're really fast to bring it back to entrepreneur thing. There's one thing that we both agree on. They shut it up. Entrepreneurs, create your own economy. In other words, shut the fuck up.

And it's your job to create your own economy. If you are. If you are waiting for. So if you are waiting for the president to change, if you're waiting for Congress to change, if you're waiting for legislation to change, it's just a bad strategy. If it Was if it was the best. Right here, for example, the civil rights movement, you had people beating each other in the streets. You probably need some legislation in order to protect one another. Probably a good bill. When people are exploited, that is the role of government. When. When there is fraud, that is the role of government.

Some people feel exploited. So I'm gonna exploit it. So I'm gonna talk about that a little bit, right?

So feeling exploited.

We're in the same. Same boat of we believe. Look, it's your responsibility to change your own shit. But I know there's gonna be a handful of people watching this, whichever fucking camera I'm talking to right now, because we got six going on. There's a lot of people who feel there are six. Well, because of where you came from, it's a lot harder for you. And I'm gonna tell you something. It is. It is a lot harder for you. I learned something super valuable. It's probably one of the most important lessons in my life. I have two tattoos. Perspective. And this one says vision. You can see them right there, right? Precision. Perspective. The real right here on my wrist. The reason why I got that is because my mom, dad, you guys know me, who follow me, grew up on welfare, right? My mom's one of 13 kids. The wealthiest person that they knew when they were growing up were drug dealers, pimps, real pimps. Not like I'm pimping like a pimp.

That's real, right?

Like, so we all know the quote. You're the average of the five people you hang out with. Whatever. So when you grow up in this. The wealthiest guy that I knew was my dad, who sold cars, Wasn't making a shitload of money, but relative to what everybody else is doing, that was the deal. Then I go to the University of San Diego. 98% white. Then you take into the account the people that do not play sports that are colored. Me. 99% get perspective.

$40,000 a semester, $200,000 for the whole time. Grossly expensive, right? So I got to meet some people there. But what I realized is the way that these two groups think are completely different, their version of life was a lot of people. And I'm stereotyping both sides. A lot of people was, you grow up, you go to school, you go to college, you get a job, you work your corporate ladder, right? That's the American dream thing. That's what a lot of people think. That's the white American dream where we're currently at today in 2018, still for most minorities, unfortunately, it's stay alive, have enough money to pay my bills, and have enough disposable income to do something fun every once in a while. The average of the five people that this person saw, well, it was like, my uncle's a doctor, my uncle's a cpa, my aunt's a lawyer. Those things are not real. For most broke people, their version of success doesn't exist because they never have seen anybody on TV that looks like them that's doing something positive. If you look at the movies in the 90s and the early 2000s, every time you saw a person of color, they were a rapper, they were a ball player, they were a drug dealer, they were a robber. Look at the fucking roles. That's why people are going crazy for Black Panther, because it feels good to fucking see yourself other than a fucking scumbag and an articulate person of kings and queens in the world. It gave people a vision that they've never been able to see themselves before. So the people who believe there's an equal playing ground, you're mistaken. But for my people down here, if you continue to believe that there's nothing you can do because you're just fucked and you're a victim, you will stay down here. So I do not give a fuck how hard it is for you now until you own your own shit, you will never grow here. But because of the people that decide to do this, our children won't have to grow up with the same vision of success. Which is why when Damon John and I sit here yesterday and we're able to teach a new wave of children, of kids, of high school adults of how to succeed, it means the world. So everybody needs to have a realization. Democrat or Republican, that's the fucking difference. And beware. And then the people right here, don't throw a stone at these people because they got what you want. Isn't that our goal too? See how both sides fuck each other with a difference of perspective? Stop fucking each other and help each other, then fuck each other and build world together. See that quote?

That's heavy shit.

May I add, too. So go ahead. I actually really appreciate you sharing this because I have a different filter. And I recognize. I recognize the ignorance of my filter because I've only experienced one life as one gender, as one, as one experience.

But I would also add to that that regardless of where you fall in the economic spectrum, you are in right now the freest and the best shot you have. If you are willing to take responsibility for your own life and if that's the case, regardless of where you start, we, we are in the most economically mobile time ever. Starting here. You can go here. And that has never ever existed before. And second, that's true that outsourcing that responsibility to government is the most enslaving thing that you can do.

Yes.

Because it is only by you that you can initiate that change.

We agree. A thousand percent right there. I agree. Hey, if you're waiting for. You guys know the saying, Captain save a hoe. If you're waiting for Captain save a government, like it's, it's just, it's just a bad strategy.

If there was a good strategy, I would be all for it, but it's just not an effective strategy to wait for government to make any change that you want, anything.

It will just keep you waiting. So that's why, like all the committees, like, my biggest thing that inspires me, I got money, I'm good. Is being able to show those people that you're talking about, hey, right now you live in the freest time ever. When I teach my lessons and I go into deep strategies of Facebook ads, Instagram ads, YouTube ads, I teach you guys about the structure of a business, etc. To me, every single time I spit that, I'm hoping I'm reaching somebody whose average, their average, their five people average is shit. I can be the sixth person that just increases their chances just a little bit to succeed.

That's all.

Just a little bit. You know what I mean? So that's the whole idea. And I hope the people who are successful just realize that again, both can do it. But starting from negative and starting from a little bit is completely different. Shout out to fucking Gary Vaynerchuk.

But thank God he didn't say grandfather don't.

But you starting from $3 million. And again, I went to his office, paid 30 grand.

A guy.

I do nothing but respect the guy. You taking your dad's company and bringing it from $3 million to $60 million. Every entrepreneur in the fucking world will tell you the hardest part of making money is what? Face zero to 100,000.

That's the difference I'm talking about. It was so hard. I got left with my dad's $3 million things or Donald's line. It was so hard, I got left with a million dollar hairstyle. We understand that. Million bucks to do that isn't that much. But to this person, when you have to start from zero, starting from zero is the fucking hard part, Period.

I must commend you. And I want to commend you because I have never talked about politics and religion and gotten drunk on camera all at the same time. I haven't eaten much today, and the wine just hit and I went. Oh, de.

Say we talked about a lot of. On this. On this show before, and I don't think we. We have. We haven't taken this route.

Well, let's keep going.

Business is next.

At some point, we gotta. We gotta talk about business.

We'll wrap up at the end with a very small part. We'll talk.

I'm. I'm. This is great. I. I had a dinner to go to. I'm already late to it, and I don't even want to go. I'm. This is great.

All right, so I. I'll say. I don't even know. The business stuff just seems.

No. What other controversial topics can we talk about?

Abortion.

If you didn't think that was funny.

Oh, we can go there. If you want to go there, we can go there.

It should be legal. The end of conversation. Yes.

I feel very torn.

Oh, stop. You got it. Come on, man. You know damn well.

No, no, I feel. I don't feel very torn.

It's like a misread. I can't even imagine you believe.

I believe what?

To freedom and choice. To have somebody be able to tell you to.

All right, so we are going to have an abortion debate. All right, let's go.

Let's go.

Okay, so.

All right, so this has to be practice, just arguing the other side. There's no way you can believe that.

No. So sorry. They want to sing Happy Birthday. Oh, but we're talking about abortion. We can't stop.

Are you good?

Tell them to start it now.

They can do it. No, no, no. Okay, so. So. So look, I. I know, first of all, I know it's more politically correct.

Where state do you live?

I live in Texas. I'm from Ohio. Okay, cool. So, first of all, I know that it is politically correct to just choose a side and argue that side. And there's two sides where I'm not sure yet. And that would be the gun control debate and abortion. Okay, right. So abortion. Here's my experience.

So I. Wow, I must be drunk, because I'm about to admit something that I shouldn't admit. I grew up in the church. Yeah, there's. Basically, there's like, you know, these sins, and then there's the really bad ones. And one of them is having a child out of wedlock.

Yep.

So I. I was saving myself till marriage until I was comfortable saying I'M no longer a Christian again. So I was. I am. Was very careful where I put certain parts of my body. And so I was abstinent until I was almost 26 years old.

Okay.

And then I found out I was going to be a father.

Oh, shit.

Right. So.

It was. It was an incredibly painful experience.

I think we same age because I think that was the age. I'm 29 now. I think I was the same age I found out.

Okay. So. So all this to say I was completely pro life.

Yeah.

Until I was in a position where.

Considered.

Not that I considered. Not that I was in a position of where I had to make a decision. Right. And who knows if I was not in a economically stable position, if I was not successful, if I did not have my tish together in some way. And we all have our issues.

We went through the same experience because when the first thing I thought when my girl called me and told me she. She was pregnant. No bullshit. Was I'm so thankful right now that we can afford it because remember my perspective. I told you earlier, I saw so many people couldn't afford. It was like the most stressful thing ever. So to me, that was the first thing I thought. And it did change my opinion on like, you know, if I didn't and I really wasn't financially, I. I would have. I would have had an abortion.

So. So based on my background, I don't know that I ever would have gone that route.

Right.

And full sculpture. If Esther ever sees this, you're the best thing that ever happened to me. I, like, you changed me, made me a better man. Like, you're like, I'm so thankful for you every single day.

I love you too, girl. Like, don't even.

But. But if I had been in a different position, who knows what I might have considered? So that was the first time where I thought not everyone has this has the same. The same choice as me.

Yep.

Right. The same. The ability to consciously choose something.

Brian, you have to realize too, there's a lot of people. Like, I think people forget how broke broke goes, but there's a lot of people getting pregnant that they had the baby because they couldn't get the 400 bucks for the abortion. They're totally not ready for it. So here they are having the baby and people think, well, it's more expensive to have a child. Yeah. You have to pay that cash. The doctor will still deliver the baby. And then you just have debt for the rest of your life and bad credit. Like, you know, all the things that come with it. But it's, it's just, it's just a scary thing. Like a lot of people just do it because they don't know another option, you know, I mean, like, so I don't think there's a great answer to.

It, like, hopefully so. Well, here's the other. The other side of it is we currently do not have a definition of when life begins. We do it now. That to me is the linchpin argument. Do we. There is no common agreement about when life begins, which is strange. Does life begin like it should be?

Right?

Does. Does life begin at birth? I, I think, I think you could argue that it happens before then. If it is a fully viable fetus.

I think there's like three months. So.

I agree, I agree.

When the baby can't feel and it's like not even when there's no heart.

Like so, so I'm sympathetic to the argument that you're making, but, but I, I'm also sympathetic to those who, who believe that once there is conception, here's the rules. That that is a life that. Take religion out of it. If we believe that we are, that one of our fundamental freedoms is the protection of life. The ambiguous argument is where does life begin? And if you believe that life begins at conception, then abortion would be a completely moral atrocity.

But we also know that the number one human instinct is self preservation. So when you have a baby inside you, if you decide to get rid of that baby, that's about yourself.

That argument only holds up if we don't believe that life begins at conception. If you believe that life begins at any other point.

We don't know. We can't. We just.

Right, right. So, so this, this is where the debate comes in. Now I could tell you where, where, where I think legislation should be, like how we should govern ourselves.

Yeah. I just don't think we can ever tell someone to not be able to abort their own kid. To me that, I think that's what cu. All the same thoughts. But at what point it's this. If you tell someone to abort their kid, then if they decide to not abort it, you have to take it.

Oh, oh, dude, no, come on.

I mean, when you tell someone to have a baby or not take it.

Then at what, at what point does it flip over to be a protected life? I mean that, that is the argument. So is if it, if it comes out, if it's two days old. If it's two days old. And, and I think, do we, do we make the same argument.

I think they talk about the, the whole bun. Like, you know, you watch the pregnancy process, but there has to be a point where doctors agree. I think it's just before three months, I don't really know where, like there's a point where you see the baby and they're like moving and, and da, da. To me that's that motherfucker's alive at that point. But I know there's points before that where all that shit's not happening and there's just fucking cells and shit.

I don't know.

I'm not doctor.

Here's where I, here's where I'll agree with you. There is something very different about a collection of cells and an eight month old pregnancy. There's something very different about that.

I am of the subjective opinion that it matters as well. The question is, where does that line fall? And that's ambiguous and that's hard. And I don't think that we are sympathetic to one another in this argument. But the fact is, like you, you care about protecting people. I care about protecting people. The question is when are people, when are people in the pregnancy period long enough to be protected? And that's a hard question. And I think we get so caught in fighting each other over one of this and we forget the sympathetic argument of there is some ambiguity to when life begins. And there are people who say it begins at conception. And I totally understand that argument. People who say until you take. There are some people who say until the baby comes home with you, it's not a life. I think that's kind of a problem.

I think I agree with that.

I consider myself more. I am more pro life than I am pro choice. But I, I get it. And I, and I, I don't fall on either side per se.

So here's what I'll tell you guys. I think there's no denial that we need to do this on a monthly basis, weekly basis. And we just argued Black man versus white man. And that's what it's called. Black man versus White Man. That's actually a great title.

Very complex Man.

Black man versus White.

If you can pull. I can't pull that off.

You might be able to pull that off. Like that's, that's the genius. So this is gonna be the first business interview I've ever done where we didn't talk business.

I wanna keep it that way. I think that's the beauty of it. I think that's the beauty of it.

You know, so Amazon and E Commerce and Eight figure businesses marketing on Facebook. Yeah, who cares?

So what we're deciding to do is that we're gonna do a show and it's called black man versus white man. Here it is.

It'll be hosted on capitalism.com.

Yeah, but that's actually genius idea. I'm in Black man vs White man starring fucking Billie Jean and Ryan Moran.

Why didn't I get a fucking. You got fucking Billie Jean, I just got Ryan Moran.

Black people a little bit cooler. You got fine. You gotta find strides. So I think that would be a fun fucking 15 minute segment and we just fucking do it.

I think this was longer than 15 minutes, I'm not gonna lie.

Yeah, we gonna bring it up. We gotta figure subject every time. You know what I mean? I tell people all the time, like I'm very racist about it.

I hate fucking white people. I hate black people. I hate Mexicans, Asians, Middle Easterns.

You see the things you can say that I can't.

It's different. It is.

So this is probably the most. This is probably the most fun I've ever had doing an interview despite the fact that I'm sitting where Grant Cardone sat.

Grant, you hear him, man? That's your boy. That's your boy. Still put me on stage. Attack.

Do you even know the story of Grant? That would probably be. What's that?

Yeah, no, let's close it out with that.

Are we gonna go there? We've already talked about abortion. Can we talk about Grant Cardone as well?

You know, I've been trying to force a fart this entire interview.

I'm gonna tell Brian that I'm afraid I'm gonna.

I'm afraid I'm gonna blow an O ring. You know, I was so shout out.

To grammar in that.

So at the event I was sitting on the bulletproof vibe. You know what that is? It like vibrates and you stand on it. It's supposed to like cleanse your aura or some weird thing. It made my sphincter feel very odd.

What the fuck happened with Grant?

Oh, what happened with Grant? Sorry, Grant, sphincter, same part of my brain.

Skip Bayless.

So I like Grant's message. I'm a fan of a lot of what he writes. It's why I invited him to speak at my event which is called the Capitalism conference.

Did you speak that? You have some speakers, bro.

Thank you.

Like, what was it? Who was all that? I remember seeing the email. I was like. And I just remember feeling my first guy speakers.

I mean, we've had Gary Vaynerchuk We've had Billionaire Brian. We had a bunch of billionaires.

You know what I realized I learned?

What?

They're smart. Not all the time. The best speakers.

Billionaires. Yeah. Oh, it's funny, I've had, I've had the opposite experience.

Well, because look what you're, you're the state you're in. So I don't know what income.

Well, well, I mean, average attendee runs a million dollar business at the Capitalism conference. So, so we're, we're, we're an entrepreneurial event. We're not a marketing event. And we talk about investing and big and, and business and entrepreneurship. But anyway, so I invited.

Well, if you do a marketing category, put me on that. I'll blow that.

Cool. So, so I, I invited Grant to speak.

That wasn't. He just agreed. Go ahead.

I died. I totally respect what Granted has done in real estate. At least supposedly he owns hundreds of millions of dollars worth of real estate. I totally respect that. I like what he represents in the world publicly. When I invited him to speak, he was really intentional about helping us generate some buzz for the event. He was really present with me in our conversations that we had. I even said publicly, out of all the people that I was excited to meet, I was excited to meet Grant Cardone.

Okay.

And we had Gary Vaynerchuk that year. We had Robert Herjavec that year. We had Pat Flynn that year. We had billionaire Jeff Hoffman that year. And Grant Cardone was a person I was most excited to meet because I respected what he has done in the world and what he's represented. And I wanted him to talk about real estate. So I invited him to speak. We didn't have anybody to talk about what to do with your capital once you've made it. So. So him building at the time what was a 400 million dollar real estate empire, was really excited to learn about this. We had two, I think three conversations before he went on stage outlining what he was going to talk about. He said this to me. He was like, he's like, you want to talk about real estate, man? I'll give a whole, I'll give a whole speech for you, baby. Yeah, you're the only person in the audience. I'll give it to you. He even said, he was like, man, I love this event that you're putting together. I would love to do an event with you.

So this is real. He you over this is this, is this beef right here?

Oh, this is real beef.

I thought you were joking.

No, I'm not. No, I. I. No, I genuinely.

I genuinely do not like Grant.

Say your opinions. Stand alone on this, because I. With Grant. But at the same time, I open it here.

I. With Grant.

I know Grant is going to watch this because I've talked about this publicly before, and he's. He has reached out and almost apologized.

Almost. So what happened?

So what happened was Grant. Grant comes backstage. I'm super excited to meet him. And. And again, this is a time in my career where I have. I'm. I don't have the platform that I have now.

Right. You're building. So.

Yeah, and I paid him his speaker fee to come. I'm really excited to meet him. And up until this point, he's been. He's been really respectful and present with me. He's even said, like, I'd love to do an event together. And he's in the corner betting on backgammon games.

On his phone, and I'm trying to connect with them, and he's just, like, in the middle. I've got $19,000 on this backgammon game on his cell phone. This is interesting. And he looks up at me and he says, hey, what do you think that these people in the audience want to know? And I was like, granted. We've had three conversations. We want to talk about real estate. I want to know how you get your. How you vet your deals. I want to hear how you about raise capital. I want to hear about, you know, what markets you go into. I want to hear about the real estate empire. Yeah. Okay, cool. Back to back gammon. He goes to this video guy. He's like, hey, make sure you record Ryan's intro. I'm sure it's going to be good and we can use it later. He's like, okay. He goes on stage. We're fully prepped for the speech. First thing he does when he gets on stage is insult my business partner about. About his physical appearance. He called him Scrawny Matt. He's like, matt needs to hit the mat. Matt's a little scrawny. I was like, all right, this is a little. This is. No, I'm like, all right, this is weird.

But, you know, he talks shit.

Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

So I'm gonna get both sides.

And he spent. He spent 90 minutes on stage with a canned presentation. He never mentioned the world's real or state. Never talked about deal acquisition. Never. So I went up on stage with.

What did he speak?

He spoke about 10x. He showed his socks a lot, which said sell or Be sold. And went, sell or be sold. And then he made the crowd chant Grant Cardone.

How was the audience feeling about it?

The audience. It was very entertaining, and it was completely not on topic. So I went on stage. He went. He went over time. So I brought a bottle of wine and two glasses. And I said, Grant, this is all on YouTube. You can watch it. I was like, I apparently need to get you drunk to talk about real estate.

And I. I see what you did. And I could bring it back.

And I was like, all right, let's talk about. Let's talk about your deal acquisition strategy. And he would dodge the question and go back to his canned presentation. So let's talk about raising capital. He would dodge the question and go back to his can presentation.

Did you say something?

Yes. The whole time I'm sitting there going like, are you gonna give me anything or what? And he went up, he went off stage. Grant Cardone is really awkward. I walked him to his car.

Say something again.

This is what I said to him, Billy Jean, I said. I said, grant, I know you're working really hard at building your audience right now. Is there anything that I can do to support you? And you know what he said? He said, I gotta do more speeches like this, even though it's a complete waste of my time. And then he got into his car and he drove off. And that was my experience with Grant Cardone. Now, I've talked about this publicly, and once again, I fully love what he talks about publicly. I like his books. I totally respect how he's built his audience.

But when I was a customer, he did not do what we agreed upon. And. And I consider. I consider that a problem. He did reach out at one point and said, he. He did say, I've done. Yeah, he did. I. So I've done. I've done a parody video where I interviewed Kent Gardone.

So this is a thing.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

So you can look up on. You look up Camp Gardone. It's. It's a blast. But he reached out when he saw that, and he was like, I love the parody video. I thought it was really funny. I made a judgment call to do a pivot when I went on stage because I didn't want to lose the audience. I was like, lose the audience? I had pitched you as the hundred million dollar real estate investor. We sold tickets together based on your speech topic. This is what you're supposedly known for, being an investor.

Again, looking back at the event and you can see the. The footage and Adam's reaction. Do you think he did the right thing making the pivot?

Because not at all.

I believe that was accurate. So you're on stage, you go into real estate, you feel the energy, and then you just kind of take over in this other thing that's worked in the past and people like that. So, yeah, I guess I'm trying.

And he just happened to have a cam presentation loaded into the teleprompter.

That's a different story. So I guess where I go is, hey, wherever you're trying to just on the someone's character is their intent versus just them. So I'm trying to figure out, like, did he just go into Grant cardone mode and then lose it, or was it a complete disrespect? And that's what now you're saying, hey, a camp presentation of exactly what we weren't going to talk about maybe had a multiple can. Again, just devil's advocate. But if what you're saying and how it laid out is how it went down, that's a move. I can't take that away. Like, that's what it is. And I think he is also the type of person where if you said that to him, that's a fucking dick move. You can come to common ground and figure it out.

Like, yeah, and I have had said that publicly. And his response is, man, let's get on the phone. I'll answer all your real estate questions.

It's not for you. Yeah.

This was for my audience. And you just didn't bring the heat. Yeah, it's cool. I respect what you do in the world. It's cool. But you didn't bring the heat when I put you on my stage.

Be curious if you brought him back out because 10x was dope. He set the bar for presentation.

He said he talking about real estate.

No, he talk about anything. But watch this. It was. It was.

Show me the Empire, Grant. Where is the Empire?

It was. It was dope. It was dope. I don't think he's f. I think it keeps his real. However, it was salesfish. But I think now being on the other side, because again, it's only a second event like this, I think he may feel what the audience maybe felt what at your event were like, where's the real estate stuff? Because he had some speakers where I have friends in the audience who said, why aren't they talking about X, Y and Z? In other words, sometimes you have to go to the experience to really realize what you did. Sounds like he did it. Did hey, the crowd was laughing.

In his mind, the crowd is laughing. The rocking. They're entertainment. He thinks he did a thing. He thinks you don't know what you're talking about. But I bet you this after his event, there were some speakers up there. And again, this is all love, but we keep it real. Billy Jean keeps it real. Love the event. It was good. There were some speakers, had no business on stage. I don't give a what they accomplished. Doesn't mean you're a presenter. And I know Grant probably had a conversation with before about the bringing and they did not do that. So now maybe you feel what you did to him and maybe there's some common ground after going through that process. I don't know.

I mean, I know he respected what he did because he ripped off a lot of events, of elements from our event, which is so. Like in marketing, you, you know, copy what works. But I see what you're saying. Yeah, he borrowed some things that were working well for us at our events.

Black man versus white man coming to you guys. Quarter two of 2018.

I'm down.

Billy G. Ryan, Daniel Moran. Because there's no one who does this in the entrepreneur space. Think about that.

Go look up first tape. Go look up Skip Bayless, Steven A. Smith. You watch sports at all. Espn.

I'm gonna own the Cleveland Indians.

So you know them, right?

Yep.

That's all they do. Shannon Sharp. They bicker on there. New show, black man versus white man coming to you guys. It's gonna be fucking great, dude. Thank you for coming on comment if.

You want that, because I will totally. I have no idea.

Are we live?

I don't. Where is this going? I don't even know.

We'll put it.

We'll put it.

We'll put it.

Comment if you want it. And I'll. I'll totally come. Come out and do it.

Let's do it. Black man versus white man. Man. This is fun. This is great. And watch it. Here's what I like is just as much as I hold my opinion, stick to him. So does he. That's what made this fun. You got two opinionated guys. Who knows if either one of us are right. We got opinions. Black man versus white man. We're out of here. Writing down Moran real guys later.

Who? Well, that was a hell of an interview.

That happened.

That happened. Holy crap.

My goodness.

We talked about abortion in a business interview.

We had to talk about everything.

Dude, I am hammered after two glasses of wine. What are you putting that.

It's a nice Little bit. That means you don't drink that much.

And I haven't eaten much today.

Holy.

That was great.

Let's fucking go.

Dude, that was great. If you're serious about doing this quarterly.

I. I will skip versus fuck. I mean, people love that shit. And bro, let's just say we both said, hey, I'm gonna put 10 grand in it. You put 10 grand to it. Let's get it all over our space and see what happens.

This one, this will blow up.

You know what I mean?

Where, where is this?

Where? Let's talk alt industry. So I'll bring up like Grant Cardinal. Let's share that story. Okay. We'll do like a cool asset for it. We have this whole new studio built. So where does.

Where do you air your stuff?

We just have so many pixels.

Because like our videos, like, do they go on YouTube? They go on a website?

No, we'll put. We'll run it.

Do you do Facebook? Do you do Facebook watch at all?

No. No. We want to get on top of it.

I. I feel like that's what's next.

That would be a good video. Lives on your page. It depends on what it is. That was.

Well, my goodness. So Billie Jean and I just spent. How long were we in that? Like an hour.

I don't even know.

It was supposed to be a quick 20 minute interview where we talked about business and E commerce. We ended up talking about trump, abortion, gun control, Grant Cardone. The only thing we didn't talk about was sex. Billie Jean, is this thing. What's up, Chris? Record. What's up, dude? Hey, man. Good to see you, dude.

Good to see you.

How's life?

Good. Hanging.

Hanging with Vossler over here. Hanging with Bossler. Hey, what's up, dude? What's up, Ryan? Good to see you, man. You are the hardest person in the world to get a hold of. I don't know you, but I feel like I need a. Need to hug you.

Hi, Faith.

Hi, Faith. I'm Ryan. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Faith is out of Hong Kong, which is hardcore. That is hardcore. I'm out of Austin, Texas, which is more softcore. Ohio, isn't? No, not for like five years.