Carlo CocuzziAI Expert, Pod Cast Host, Real Estate Investor and Funding Specialist

He Sells AI But Won’t Use It | MOONSHOTS

6 May 2026 · 0 min

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In this segment of the MOONSHOTS interview, Speaker A expresses hesitation to run a personal OpenClaw instance, citing a lack of compelling reasons beyond experimentation. Speaker B highlights that Speaker A is co‑founding a company with Alex Benn and is closely connected to Kush Bhavaria, the founder of Orin, who recently demonstrated an autonomous agent that reads emails, replies, and schedules events, praising its utility. The contrast is likened to a vegetarian working at McDonald’s, underscoring the irony of advocating AI while not adopting it personally. Speaker A acknowledges being a vegetarian and muses that there may be a new psychological term for the fear of deploying open‑claw agents, fearing they could trigger undesirable outcomes like a Pascalian wager or an acausal trade in the wrong direction.

As for my own direct OpenClaw instance, I'm still missing a compelling reason to host one locally that isn't just for experimentation.
It's bizarre to me though, because you're, you're, you're co-founding a company with Alex Benn and, and our favorite guy, Kush Bhavaria, who I know you love, because everybody does, founder of Orin, where you're advising and a shareholder. He just told me over at MIT earlier today that he just launched his clause that read every email, respond, and then put everything into his calendar. And he loves it. And so it's almost like you're, you're working at McDonald's, but you're a vegetarian.
Well, I happen to be a vegetarian. I can't say I've ever worked at McDonald's, but I don't know, maybe, maybe there's a new psychological term that's needed for a person who has a fear of standing up open-claw agents lest they tempt some sort of Pascalian wager or acausal trade in the wrong direction.