Tiny Bites: Understanding and Reacting to Google Algorithm Updates

Hey there. This is Emily from the Food Blogger Pro team and you are listening to Tiny Bites from the Food Blogger Pro podcast. As a reminder, Tiny Bites is our news or current events based podcast that we release whenever we feel like we need to get an episode out as quickly as possible. With all of the Google Algorithm updates recently, we felt like we just needed to get an episode out to our listeners to chat about what these updates are, how you can best approach them for your food blog, and just what your mindset should be around all of these different helpful content updates and other algorithm updates. Bjork is chatting with you and Finser all about these Google Algorithm updates and it's a really useful episode that we know you'll get a lot out of. As a reminder, head to foodbloggerpro.com podcast to check out the show notes where we'll include some links and other helpful information with just some more detail about about everything that they chat about during this episode. So without further ado, I'll let Bjork take it away.

Ewan, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks Bjork. Great, great to have be back. I guess it's now, I think the second or third time I've been with you and with your audience.

This is so we have these conversations just you and I, like for instance in the Las Vegas airport, like when we ran into each other after going to conference Rhodium. And the great thing is like this, we like capture it and roll it up and send it out to thousands of people. And it's great because you have this deep expertise in this world of content creation. And the nice thing about having a conversation with you is like it's outside of just the food space, you know, the food space, familiar with it, but really, you know, content creation at large because you've done it in multiple different niches. And, and so what we're going to do, I'd love to hear a little bit about your background and then we're going to jump in and focus really specifically around Google Algorithm updates, knowing that there's a lot of people who listen to this that have been impacted, some positive, some negative by the recent one. But you know this world well because you know content and you know content production and you know digital content really well. Can you talk about why that is and your kind of brief overview of the world of online businesses and content businesses?

Sure. Well, I've been kind of stuck in this world for 10 years now and you can't get out with a couple websites, kind of a couple, couple websites that hit and then over time launched a couple more, built up the team and then kind of stumbled into a media company accidentally. And then I think another turning point was probably 2017, 2018. We had some significant exits and then.

Exits meanings you had built some sites over the last three to four years. They were doing well enough that you were able to sell those for a significant amount. So you kind of had this influx of capital.

Sure, yeah. And this was a great outcome. It was like, you know, beyond what I'd ever expect was possible in the space. And then kind of had this, this time to kind of reflect on what I wanted to do. And through that kind of was turned on this idea of, well, scale really. Because once you, once you have, you know, an exit, you kind of look at, you know, what do you want to do? Can we do it again, you know, in different verticals? And so we kind of went about both within our core company, which is ventureforth Media, it's kind of our holding company. We started launching new sites and then raising some external capital from investors. And we kind of have done that in various iterations, really focusing on this idea of ground up acquisition or ground up versus acquisitions and having done a little bit of both and realized that, you know, the grass is always greener. Right. But having built and bought really kind of understand, understood the unit economics around building. And so we kind of set out with a bunch of different theses around verticals we want to get into. We used external capital to scale those from zero. And we've entered all sorts of verticals from gaming to fashion to pets to tech, you name it. We probably have a site in a vertical that you're familiar with, but really with this idea of let's throw a lot of spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks and then double down on stuff that sticks. And so that's kind of like our, our mantra is fire bullets and cannonballs, always be testing. We launch a bunch of sites all at once in a big cohort and then try to analyze the data and figure out which ones are working and double down on them. And so that's kind of been our, I'd say the last five years has been focused on this thesis of how do we cheap scale. We've built tech platform to support our content process, we've built out our content teams with hiring writers and working with creatives, our design chops, you know, all the stuff that you need to, to scale. And so today we're kind of at this juncture where we have a lot of different Sites out there in the wild, some have matured very nicely, others that are kind of didn't survive, and that's okay. And a whole bunch kind of in the middle of that spectrum. Yeah, so that's kind of primarily, I guess, on our monetization sites, affiliate display ads, and we do some sponsorships as well. But essentially that's what we have. It's over 100 different websites across these different portfolio companies that we operate.

That's awesome. So if I can say that back to you, let me know if this feels accurate. Ventureforth Media, it's kind of this company at the top, and this is a company that you own. It's all content sites, so you produce content. But the interesting thing that's maybe a little bit of a contrast for probably the majority of people who listen to this podcast is you take the approach not of going in. You're not. You. You aren't creating content for a hundred different sites. You're strategizing at the high level and saying, hey, we think there's an opportunity in whatever niche it is. Pets. Okay, let's look at this category and think about what are the different categories underneath that, that we can create pet sites for. Maybe it's like a. You discover the opportunity to create like a dalmatian site, and you focus in on dalmatians and it's dalmatianlovers.com and then you go and you find dalmatian lovers to create that content. So they have to know dalmatians and they have to be good writers. And so your strategy is a lot around understanding an audience, understanding opportunity, creating systems around working with writers, bringing those people in and scaling those up. And I think the thing that's interesting about your role specifically is that a huge part of it is search and analyzing opportunities that you see using tools like SEMrush Ahrefs, like these keyword analysis tools that kind of give you a little bit of an insight into how people are searching online to find opportunities. And from the ground up, these sites don't exist. You're not acquiring them from the ground up, building them to get enough search traffic to make them into these valuable sites that you either keep and they cash flow, and then you use that money to build other sites or to sell them. Because as we all know, a business is an asset and that's a valuable thing and people would want to buy that. So does that feel like an accurate reflection of kind of the landscape for you and ventureforth?

Yes, I think that's what differentiates us, of course, we do some acquisitions here and there, but that's not our core competency. It's kind of bringing these things to life. And you're right. And essentially I kind of think of ourselves today as almost like a platform company in a sense. And then really what we're about is finding experts. That's its own skill. Where do you find people that are passionate about dalmatians and then bringing them into the system and training them up to the point where they can produce content that is suitable for web audiences? And so really we found that's been kind of, I guess the secret to the sauce has been finding these experts. That's the fun part for us is like finding these, these people that are just so passionate about what something. But they don't necessarily have the whole business plan figured out. And so we kind of bring the plan, but we need the experts. And without, you know, and that's, I think, not to spill the tea a little bit on Google. But like that's kind of where they're headed, is like experts. Right, Experts. Who's this content? Not just what are the words on the page. Yeah. And so that's that we found that's actually the, the key leverage point for us.

Yeah. Interesting. And so that's a good tie into the topic that we're going to be talking about, which is Google search engines. But really Google. And you kind of alluded to this and actually just finished up a conversation with Jeff Market Muse, who we both know also from Rhodium, but. And he was kind of reiterating this idea of the importance of experts. But we know all of these things from different place. We get information, but we really see the impact of those as, as Google rolls out these updates to their algorithm. And there was recently like within, there's always these algorithm updates. There's little tiny updates that are happening, but there's recently some pretty significant ones. So can we just step back and for those who aren't familiar, who are kind of new or maybe haven't spent a lot of time thinking about search or kind of educating themselves on the world of search. Can you talk about what a algorithm update to Google is and like what's, what's happening behind the scenes when those roll out.

Yeah. Space for 10 years kind of have seen everything. Right. And we've seen, I've seen this evolve. Essentially the algorithm is what indexes and categorizes all of the content that gets published out there. And it's. I kind of look at it like Google's changing thesis on what is good content? You know, because a lot of times at the ground level, for a blogger or someone who's operating one site, you're like, hey, I lost my first position. And it kind of feels unfair. It's like, who moved my cheese? And it's Google basically re. Re reaffirming kind of a new direction for what they think is valuable. And so it's this constant kind of pull of Google kind of projecting in their, this, this document called the Quality Rater Guidelines, which is kind of like the gospel. This is what they give individuals who are going to evaluate sites for whether they're useful and helpful and, and all those nice things. And they kind of project. This is what we want. They kind of want, you know, people just to publish quality content from, you know, kind of out of the goodness of their hearts and, and kind of do it the right way. But like, that's kind of what they're looking for. But then of course, because it's an algorithm, there are this whole SEO community that is on, on, on different ends of the spectrum are either following it to the T, or they're experimenting in kind of this gray hat area where they're gaming the system. And so Google's kind of in this constant tug of war with the people that are gaming the system. Right. And there's this fine line between SEO best practices and the gamification, right. And so it's a whole rabbit hole we can go down. But essentially that's what these algorithm updates are. They're, they're in response to some new information that Google has, some updates, tweaks to what they think is valuable and how they measure that. And that's kind of the messy part of it is it's constantly changing, it's constantly evolving.

And so you talked about gray hat, these ideas that they're in the world of search for those who haven't heard it before, there's kind of these different hats that you could wear depending on how you approach SEO. White hat, gray hat, black hat, black hat. Being like you found something that maybe is like in violation of Google's best practices or you know, recommendations, but it, it works. And so you're like, paying for links would be an example. Paying for follow links would probably be one of those things that lands in the black hat world. But do you have examples of some of those algorithm updates that have happened in the past as, as kind of a, to help paint a picture of what that functionally looks like, like what Google is going for and then what it looks like when the algorithm update happens.

Yeah, back in, when I was getting started, it was Panda and Penguin. They used to name these updates after kind of animals and, and that, you know, those were essentially targeted at, at spam and, and, and sites that were kind of just like ma, you know, mass generating spun content or using fun content.

Can you explain what that is for people who aren't familiar?

So I guess back in the day, right, you could, and this is actually kind of full circle now with AI, you could use article spinners to just create content that had the keyword density, right. That had the, the number of phrases were repeated even to the extreme where you'd see someone publish a piece of content that just had a keyword list. Or if back in the day, for the old folks, at the end of the article, sometimes you would just put keywords as like, this is what we want to rank for. And Google's like, okay, but of course that can be gamified. And so all these updates, like back then it was kind of about that, this over optimization, right, that the SEOs were doing. I think more recently, a couple years back, there was the, some Google health updates where they kind of targeted content that was if you were giving medical advice, they kind of brought the hammer down on sites that didn't have any business or in Google's eyes didn't have business dispensing medical advice. In the past, you know, Ewan could just publish a, a health blog with medical opinions and those could actually rank fairly well along with WebMD and all these other like more authoritative sources. And so that was.

That had maybe doctors fact checking or writing the articles, right?

And then I think maybe a year and a half ago, two years ago, this is the product review update where Google said, look, you know, a lot of sites out there aren't actually testing the products. They don't have, you know, they don't have firsthand experience. They're just kind of regurgitating product specs. And so that was the update targeting sites that had a preponderance of doing that frequently. And then this most recent helpful content update, which is kind of a further turning of the dialogue, which is I think I almost don't want to label it quite yet because we're still processing what it actually means. But in general it's kind of like Google's always trying to optimize for better, more helpful, more transparent, more authoritative. Like all these things are generally where they're trying to go. They're just like measuring it in different ways and hopefully getting closer to the truth.

Yep. And it's interesting, you know, use the medicine example. And it's a. It paints the picture really well of, like, generally speaking, what is Google trying to do okay, with that update? They were trying to make sure that if a piece of content was about health advice or medical advice, that the person writing it had the authority to speak on that. So it's not, you know, Bjork or Ewan writing about the best ways to recover from knee surgery, because we thought it was a keyword opportunity and it would rank well. It's like a knee surgeon. But then the complicating factor is how do you. And you kind of alluded to this. How do you distill that down into an algorithm or a process that a computer follows to make that decision on whether this person is an expert or not? And that's where it gets complex, where, hey, maybe 90% of the time it's going to do a good job of saying, this person probably shouldn't be writing about it. This person should. And But 10% of the time, maybe it was a doctor, and they did have complete authority on it. And for whatever reason, they got caught up in this algorithm and their content was deprioritized in the search results. So it's not perfect. And it's also interesting because what happens is these algorithms are pushed out and then people start to experiment and say, like, okay, what do I need to do in order to appease this algorithm? And that's kind of where either like, best practices or the gray hat comes in, where you're like kind of finding what are the opportunities to kind of manipulate or twist or kind of get around this. So what is your approach as you think of content creation? Serving the algorithm versus serving the user versus just doing the best piece of content that you can imagine.

Yeah, I mean, it's a really tricky dilemma. You hit on it. It's like, find the right balance. And I think at one level, we kind of look at the horizon, we say, okay, let's just publish quality content around topics that we think are interesting. And so I kind of lean more in on keyword research and market research to identify gaps in the market and then create topical plans to give to our team and work with our experts to create those plans and then go execute against it. Right. So that. So in that sense, though, I am, you know, I am working with the search engine. Right. And I think even with its most recent helpful content update, Google's kind of said, well, we just want people, you know, to keep kind of come back to this refrain of like, just people should just publish helpful content. But clearly that's not the way it works. Like, people won't just wake up one day and say, I want to write about, I don't know, like, I don't know, pottery vases or something. And they just, oh, let's write about that randomly. It's like. And actually Spencer Haas had a recent, I think, article or post or something that kind of went viral around. Is blogging dead basically? Or did Google kill blogging? And you know, I think that's there's kind of this interesting dilemma, right, where, you know, if you just bury your head in the sand and say, I'm just gonna write whatever I feel like without having any SEO awareness, you're not gonna get very far because, you know, you may not be publishing the right content. You might keep doing that for months and months and not have anything to show for it. On the flip side, if you're kind of over optimizing or really trying to like hack your way and you know, just creating the links or the topics that you think Google likes or have low competition or whatever, you can end up, you can end up getting caught up in these algorithms, as even some of our sites have, because even though we're doing all the right things, you know, following the letter of the law, we're not doing any gray hat, you know, we are using data to inform our decisions. And so sometimes that gets, you know, us caught up in updates. And so it's not a perfect science, but I kind of fall in the spectrum of use the use data to inform your processes. Don't get too hung up on keyword density or what do you put in H2, H3, H4, because that, that tends to change a lot. And so kind of it's a, it's a little bit of a gamble that eventually Google's going to figure out that your, your content is high quality. But at the same time, everyone always thinks their content is high. You know, no, I don't think there's anyone out there says all my content is really bad.

Right.

You know, so it's like, yeah, you have to constantly reassess, you know, what you think is quality content.

And the hard, the hard part, you know, in our world, I can speak to this. I don't know how true you this see this to be true is a lot of times it works like you do, you look at an outline that's generated and you fill that in. Maybe it's even like you fill it in with some AI content, like you kind of go the way of like these different data driven content creation processes and it works. And like, but then it doesn't work and you get penalized for it. Or. And so there is this weird like art and science of being aware, being aware of what best practices are, being aware of what's working. But then also, and I think this is at the core and I would be interested in your response to this. Like always trying to think about, like, how is this going to be as best as possible for the person who's going to consume this content.

Yes.

And yeah, I think that's.

And that school has said that too, like right for, right for your audience. And so 100%, I think putting it through that lens of even. I'm constantly reminded of this when I go to search for some of my articles, you know, on my mobile device, you know, and be like, you know, a lot of us might use mediavine or Adthron, like, oh man, all those ads and videos popping up, you're like, wait, is that really the best experience? And so that, that is a really good forcing function. Right. And at the same time, to your point, we still have to use data to kind of inform where we go.

Right.

And so yeah, it is this concept. And so one of my approaches is just to experiment. And so we have a bucket of sites kind of called the Skunk Works, where like we just try different things, black hat, gray hat, white hat, just to like test a hypothesis. Or if we do this, we publish AI content, what does that do? But we don't test that out on our babies. We do that kind of off to the side. And for the sites we're really focused on, we try to really invest in that high quality content that really serves the user. But yeah, it's a tricky balance and there's no easy answer where you can just say, oh, that's it, that's the way.

Yep. And it's hard when you see somebody doing it and it works, but it feels like, wait, is that actually the best way to create content in the world? And maybe it is. Maybe that's the answer. But also a lot of times it works for a season, you know, article spinning, as an example. Yep. If somebody, if you can. I guess the point is this, if you can, there's two things that you could chase. You could chase like the trend that's working, or you could chase an understanding of your audience and content that resonates and problem solving, which is like an abstract skill, and then kind of putting the exoskeleton around that of SEO best practices, that to me feels like the solution. And it's still not perfect, but generally speaking, it's like human first. It's understanding your audience, building around them, and then saying like, what are, what are best practices from an SEO standpoint? Technical type considerations.

And I think AI is a perfect kind of corollary for this because it's this marriage of, like, deep subject matter expertise with powerful tools. Like, that's where massive growth can happen. And so, you know, for someone who's not familiar with the subject, if you pop it into some, you know, chatgpt, you'll get an article or you'll get some words on a page that read well and kind of it sounds credible. It's like that person at the dinner party who knows a little bit about everything, but if you poke under the surface a little bit and if you had that experience or that context or that expert in the room, it would immediately poke holes in that article. And so that's kind of where the interesting part comes, where, like, if I were to use CHAT GPT for, I don't know, some digital marketing topic that I know about, or, you know, I'm gluten free, so, like, I know a lot about that, you know.

Yep.

And if I were to use ChatGPT to create an article on that, it would be, it would be relatively easy for me to spot the inconsistencies, but also to leverage it. Right. To do certain things where I'm like, okay, it can do that. You know, it can do that. For me, it can be kind of an assistant, but I'm not relying on it for everything. And I think, yeah, to the, on either extreme, you know, it's, it's kind of, that's where things can fall down, where it's, you're just publishing. We come across this all the time with some clients we work with where they've been publishing great content, like they're putting their heart and soul into it, but there's been no exoskeleton to your point.

Yeah, yeah.

And so it's just like very disorganized and it needs some of that tightening up from an SEO perspective, maybe internally linking better or having a better category hierarchy structure. And the flip side, there's all sorts of AI sites in the wild that are just very well interlinked, but a ton of kind of spun sites where they don't pass the smell test for an expert. And so both ends of those spectrums, I think, have problems. And it's the people who could find that happy balance between those two that are going to have a lot of success right now and in the years ahead.

Yep. So how about. So helpful content update. Can you talk a little bit about what happened with that? And then I'd be interested to hear your reflections on what happens if you're negatively impacted. What do you do? So what, what was it? What happened? And then how do you respond?

Yeah. And I also kind of with the end in mind, like the first thing we do after any update rolls out is nothing.

Sure. Because the dust settle, essentially let the dust settle.

Particularly because these updates usually take about two weeks to roll out completely. And so sometimes what happens at the front end isn't what ends up happening at the end. Or you'll dip down and come back or even this most recent update is very confusing. There was like the helpful content update and then there's a core algorithm update and a spam update right in between. So like in a period of a month, really end of September through October, there were these three updates that rolled out. And so the problem becomes correlation causality. It's like, well, this happened, so maybe, you know, but what caused it? Exactly. And if you start messing with the dials too quickly, it'll be very hard to determine. Like, well, was that just a natural bounce? And we've had sites where they've been negatively impacted initially or even with one update like two years ago. And all of a sudden with helpful content they start bouncing back and we didn't do anything to those sites.

Yeah. And so that's like not you changed anything. It was just like Google turning the fine tuning. Yeah, yeah.

And so we, we got in the zone of happiness or whatever, you know, and then we got lucky. And. And so that's the first thing we do is just kind of assess the situation. Sure. And then, and then. Yeah. So the helpful content update was really just a further fine tuning of this Google update algorithm discussion dialogue that's been happening for years. And I think the difference for this, if you talk like Jeff Coyle, would be them using AI now as a classifier within their algorithm to make labels essentially about sites in general. Is this a helpful site or is this an unhelpful site? And so it's kind of a site wide classifier. I think that's the big change in past updates where maybe in past algorithm updates you might have some of your articles were impacted, but not all of your site. This one was basically Google coming in and having this classifier saying the majority of your content is not helpful. Therefore we're going to kind of like deprioritize anything your site publishes. And there's been a couple interesting case studies here and maybe I'll send over a couple of them that I've seen where they've been trying to dig in to really understand. Well, what does it actually mean at a fundamental level? Like it's all theories always. Google's always going to say, well, we're helpful content. Like that sounds great, but in reality, what does that actually mean? And essentially if a certain percentage of your content is deemed unhelpful, you'll get kind of deprioritized. And so that for some of those sites that could be like 70% reduction.

80% reduction in traffic.

In traffic.

And yeah, have you seen that? Or like.

No, we do have some sites that did see that. And, and then, but then complicating that, there's also this was a kind of a negative update. It wasn't Google rewarding helpful sites, it was Google classifying unhelpful sites, whatever they thought. And again, so what they think or what their algorithm determines is, is unhelpful. And so you could have just been actually not impacted. But because of the changing in the SERPs, you could have seen some, some impacts. Right. For for example, the most common kind of search landscape change is now the elevation and not because Google gave them extra points, but just because of how the algorithm works of Reddit and Forums and Quora, all these user generated content platforms now are getting, getting priority because they're generally helpful sites, even if the specific Reddit answers are really not helpful. Sure.

Reddit overall is viewed in this update as a helpful site.

So it's basically labeling all these sites either. Well, I guess it's if you're unhelpful or not unhelpful. And then I guess there's some theory being, well, maybe there's gonna be another update where they reward helpful sites and becomes a positive kind of classifier. But as far as we know, as far as I know, it's this negative classification of really it's the unhelpful content update from what I'm seeing. Yeah.

One of my curiosities with that, and you kind of alluded to this a little bit, is like, I know sites and I'm sure you've, you know, talked about some of your sites or know of sites that were negatively impacted, but they're not, they're not. We wouldn't think of them as like unhelpful. They're like no pinch of yam in this case wasn't impacted. I think probably saw an uptick. But we know sites that saw a downtick in terms of quality content. Very similar.

Like yes.

And in a very similar category as well. And so if I was listening I'd be like, wait a minute, like we put so much time and energy into our content creating this quality content. We've been doing it for 14 years. Is that kind of what you're talking about where we're now at the stage of like trying to understand if something was negatively impacted why that was viewed as unhelpful or do we know at this point?

No, we don't, we don't know. And that's the hard part. That's where some of these case studies are diving in and like looking at the data correlation of like, well, you know, a couple, a couple I guess heuristics that I've seen. Right. Older sites have tended to perform better.

Yeah.

So that could be maybe for pinch of them because it's been around for a while and it's been a market leader. A lot of the leaders were kind of elevated. It's almost like Google took the top 10, you know, Serp positions and said okay, there's we're going to have like three, three authority content sites, three user generated content sources and a bunch of E comm sites and maybe, you know, maybe Facebook or LinkedIn or something like we want to kind of spread, spread it around a little bit. And so if you kind of didn't quite make the cut, that's what it feels like at the end. If you didn't quite make the cut of market leader in your space, you're either you're kind of at the end of the first page or bump to the second page versus if you're like Reddit interestingly enough is usually not the first result. It's. But it's present on almost every single search query in the top 10 results. But in like position what I've seen is like position 2 but mainly like 3, 4, 5. Yeah, it's like Reddit gets some sort of exposure in that middle of the pack, maybe above the full.

Interesting.

And so that's kind of one effect. The other effect is they see a little bit of correlation between shorter content actually performing better. And now I'm not sure if this is because it's shorter or because sites that have been around for a while used to produce shorter content. So like is it an age thing or is it a, is the content size? But certainly I think that's kind of where Google might be headed. Another theory is that because they're using AI like the classifier has a certain number of credits and so it can only look at a certain number of words on the page. And so if you have like a 5,000 word resource page, it's like after like 2,000 words maybe just like, you know, it's like whatever. I can't, can't do that. So I'm just going to judge you on your first, on your first 2000. And that's another theory out there is that well if you have like ad heavy setups where you have intrusive display ads or those like pre, like auto roll video players or something, you know, that could be affecting it because those tend to get, get to that first kind of initial above the full page load. There's all sorts of theories like that. I don't know how much weight I want to put in any of them but I think in general I'm kind of like okay, yeah, user experience with display ads. That seems like something that could be a negative signal because again coming back to if I'm a user visiting a site, getting inundated with ads probably doesn't feel good. I think that long content and the kind of the trend has been add more to your top performing pieces like kind of over optimize them. And if you know the easiest way to outcome your competitors is just to do more words.

Yeah.

I think that has led to again from the user perspective like a recipe site's a great example. Right. Where because there's a incentive to have more content to get more ad impressions. You have like somebody looking for a gluten free pancake recipe. They come to that page and they get like in the beginning of time pancakes were created by.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're like no, no, no, I just want the recipe. But you have to like scroll through and see all those ads to get their actual recipe. And so that's something that seems to make sense to me. And then you know, some, but some of the other factors are, you know, I think topical relevance might have something to do with it too where like if you're too broad or all over the, or just chasing keywords without thinking of the whole subject matter or the whole category, you might be getting into some trouble there too.

Sure. So in it sounds like all of these are kind of the contemplations that are happening early as the dust settles as kind of a last consideration, last topic to talk about. What does it look like at what point are you ready to take action as a creator? So let's say somebody's listening. They've been negatively impacted. It's a bummer. They've been working for years to build up this momentum. How do you then start to rebuild? And I know sites, really huge sites that have had this, this was like seven or eight years ago. You know, 50% of the traffic goes away. But then they rebuild and they put things back together and they get the traffic back and even pinch of yum. We've had seasons where things have gone down and then things go up. But what does it look like kind of what is your mindset or what should the mindset be for a creator who maybe doesn't have a portfolio of sites to kind of hedge it, but they have one site, it's been negatively impacted and now they need to like rebuild after being hit.

Well, it's a great caveat because obviously when you have many sites, sometimes we make the decision to forget about it because it's not worth it. And I think that still kind of affects maybe an individual site at a certain point. You know, being really conscious of the resources you're expending into the thing that isn't working anymore. That's just a helpful, like to know at least allocate for those costs. But I think how like I think one would be now is probably a good time. I think the updates rolled out, there's some chatter out there. Maybe they're going to come out with a correction update where like sure, some people get it back. You know, the people that were mistakenly impacted will get some bounce back and that's okay. But I'm not at this point, I'm not really waiting for that. I'm still looking to take some actions. And so I think starting with the things that are just like the easiest things that make sense that like, like I was describing earlier and you were describing like if you just experience your content as a user, what feels like the right answer? And so, you know, a couple things I might do in this situation if I had a site is actually my, I might turn down the ads for a little bit and just kind of try that, you know, or, or, or maybe, you know, mediavine Rapid, they all have these different settings. I think you can either manually or, or through their support, you know, ask for them to do maybe go on the lowest settings for a little bit or getting rid of that intrusive video just to see if that has any effect on your user experience. And then I look at your content Inventory. I kind of take a look at all the articles I have on the site, how much traffic are they getting and kind of filter actually for the ones that are not getting any traffic at all and kind of go through this exercise simply called content pruning. But I think that's like one very specific thing you can do. But just assessing that content for kind of running it through a process of, you know, keep and refresh. Is that, is that article. Maybe it's a topic that has volume around it that fits with your overall topical map, but just maybe wasn't your best effort. And so go back and re. Redo that content with your kind of your best effort and make it the best piece of content out there right now. But the other approach could be actually it's not really worth that effort, but maybe I'll merge it with another piece of content that is similar and is kind of better. And so maybe that makes sense just to merge that content and redirect it. And then another approach could be just redirect it. It's not getting any traffic. It's maybe it's an outdated, you know, recipe. Or you tried talking about like this goes back to the topical map. Maybe you're like a gluten free site. You, you tried talking about Paleo. You did like 10 recipes on Paleo. They never got any traction. Maybe you actually get rid of those, those articles and say, you know what, that didn't work. That experiment didn't work. We, we went a little bit too far and actually maybe that is confusing Google as to what you're an expert at. And so starting to kind of prune those, those topics away. I kind of start there and then I might look at like looking at the existing inventory. Where do we have big gaps? You know, if we're talking about again, gluten free is a good example and we've just never talked about certain or never create a recipe or a piece of content around certain cat like subcategories within that. Like maybe go out and create those, those articles right now. And I think those are the big things I do. I think like honestly, anything else, like yeah, I'm not so sure. I mean there's all sorts of theory about like because forums were benefited, maybe you should add comments back. I don't think that can hurt. You know, I think from a user perspective comments could be helpful. A lot of times there's some great goodness in the comment section as long as it's not spam. But I'm not going to go like adding A forum to all of my sites necessarily. But that's something to think about. How do you increase engagement on the site? And so that's like tactically how I react to the update. If you care about Google traffic. And then there's probably another question of like, how do you diversify so you.

Don'T have just search traffic. Yeah, yeah. And that's where you think of email, you think of social. And we could spin up another conversation.

Yes.

To cover all of that. That's awesome you and really helpful to have your perspective on it. I know you've seen all sorts of different angles as you've worked with hundreds of sites. It's such a rare thing that you have as an independent creator, independent business owner to have had hundreds of different touch points with different sites and different categories is just a super unique perspective. So usually at this point we're like, hey, here's how you can connect with somebody to like buy the thing they have or to work with them. I heard you reference clients at one point. I know that we. You've been gracious enough with us. We've jumped on a call and, you know, paid you for your expertise occasionally. But is there a way that like listeners could work with you in some way or is it like, you know, just following along with you, coming joining your team if you need writers. But this is your chance to pitch. But I don't. What do you pitch? I don't know.

Yeah, I use. This is usually. Usually my problems. We don't have a lot, but I occasionally I do some consulting. It's not a business line of mine, but I do like.

Sure.

I like helping other entrepreneurs and I like. These are. I love content. So, you know, I kind of nerd out to it. You can find me on LinkedIn. Ewan Finzer E W E N. It's pretty unique name. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one. And just reach out to me that way. Actually recently, I was telling you before the call, we acquired a newsletter called Niche media publishing. It's niche mediapublishing.com and that's where I actually am sharing a lot of my thinking and reaction to all the updates and kind of what's happening in the media world. And I don't really have products in there yet, but maybe one day. So that's a good way just to get on the list and keep in touch with me. Kind of my thinking. And then we do have a service called Content Teams. Content Teams IO where we help brands find writers. But that's Also just a byproduct of what we're doing all the time. And it's not a main kind of main revenue line or effort for us, but it is something we do offer because we do get approached by people saying, hey, how can we work together?

Or how can we do what you've done with your process of hiring writers? And you've done it a hundred of times, 100 times. And if somebody's never done it before.

Yeah, it's actually a good point because if you're at that point, maybe where you're thinking of, oh, maybe I can scale it, maybe. I think there's a growing kind of trend out there where there's like, I'm gonna start a second site or a third site. And once you get maybe to that third site, that's been my experience, it starts to get a little bit out of control. Yeah. And so that's where building a little bit of a team could be helpful. And that's kind of what we're trying to solve. It's basically, it's a headhunting service. We're not an agency. We just want to find you the experts or find you the specialists to help you scale your business and then. And then walk away and not have anything to do with it long term and not have to charge a retainer or anything. So that's kind of the model for content.

That's great. And I just signed up. I'm your newest niche media publishing subscriber. It's official.

Cool.

All right, Ewan, thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate it.

Awesome. Thanks, Bjork.

And that's a wrap on Tiny Bites from the Food Blogger Pro podcast. We hope you got a lot out of that episode. We know that Google algorithm updates can be really nerve wracking or stressful, and hopefully from everything you learned from this episode, you'll be able to approach them with a little bit more strategy and just some more peace of mind. Like I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, head to foodbloggerpro.com podcast to check out the show notes and leave any questions you have for us there. Thanks so much for listening.