I Asked 5 AIs to Make Me Money (One Dominated) - Ep. #317

Claude's more than doubled my money already. So pretty sweet. I decided to give 5 different models real money. Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, and Perplexity. Okay. Let me just see how smart they actually are. I told them it's a competition against the other 4 and they have to win or I'm going to cancel my subscription with them. If they lose, I'm canceling. And I said there's only going to be one winner.

You've like 30x'd on Claude.

Claude's killing it. So everybody just needs to try to catch up to Claude on here. Yeah. It's been interesting, especially to to watch Gemini as it started losing my money and then basically became a gambler.

So the reason you flew here to Texas today is to tell us how you used AI to make you money passively, correct?

Correct.

So tell us what your, what your thinking was when you started this experiment.

Yeah, so I started like 6 months ago or maybe a little less, uh, using the different AI models to manage my money. Um, you know, everybody started talking about how smart Claude was and obviously ChatGPT and all the others. So I figured, okay, well, let me just see how smart they actually are. So I decided to give 5 different models, uh, $1,000 of real money, and which I know is not nothing, uh, but I wanted it to be basically enough to where I didn't want to do it like $50, because then I was thinking, well, maybe I would just neglect it or whatever. So I gave them each $1,000 of real money And the ones I gave was Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, and Perplexity.

Okay. $1,000 each?

$1,000 each. So $5,000 I put in.

And I think the amount of money is important because there needed to be stakes. Yeah. If it's $20, $50, then you're not going to take it seriously. Yeah.

So $5,000. And I know that Perplexity, in case the commenters and viewers want to know this. So Perplexity basically uses the other models to make its decisions. As it sees fit.

So it's the model to end all models. Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

Yeah, not necessarily. And, um, so I thought those would be the best 5 to choose. Um, Grok, I definitely wanted to include because of its connection to X and the Twitter fire hose of information.

So you're thinking like maybe more social mentions will equate to a better return?

That's what I—

buying a certain stock?

Yeah, that's what I had assumed basically. Uh, Gemini obviously is owned by Google, so they've got all that connection there with Google searches and whatever else. And then ChatGPT and Claude are similar in how they're made and built and stuff. Um, so yeah, so I gave them each $1,000. And yeah, this is in late 2025 is when it started. And what I did was I told them— so I told them that they can be as risky as possible and it's okay if I lose all my money. And I had to actually work that prompt in pretty hard because at the start they kept only giving me theoretical recommendations.

It's, it's, it's worried about liability.

Yeah.

It's trying to hedge.

Yeah.

It doesn't want to be responsible for you losing money.

Yeah. So that was my first obstacle, was basically getting them all to agree to give me— I said, I want— I'm going to give you real money and I want real recommendations. Grok, they were fine with it right away, which is just kind of funny because that's like the most liberal, the most loose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, uh, whereas like ChatGPT and Claude were very apprehensive to basically allow that, I guess you could say.

Now, before you continue, let me ask you, like, why was that important to you to prompt it? Like, you can lose my money. What?

Yeah, I just, you know, and if, if you like sign up for Robinhood or whatever, and then they'll ask you, you know, they'll ask you like questions when you first sign up and it's like, you know, do you have experience in the stock market? What is your time horizon with your investments? Do you need the money right now? So I think just by nature, these investing platforms also, like, they want to cover their tracks in regards to liability. And so I just wanted to like get through that with the AI models too. And, and, okay, I don't know, if, if they're talking in theoreticals, they might say, oh, theoretically you could buy the options and this or whatever. But no, I wanted real stuff because I was giving them, and I did, my real money. So I just wanted the truest data possible.

Now when you say giving them your real money, is that literal? Are you like, or are you just making trades based on their suggestions?

Yeah, so here's what I did. So I loaded it up into Schwab, Charles Schwab, a brokerage account that I use. And then I named each portfolio. So Claude has its portfolio, Chat, Gemini Grok, Perplexity. Gave them each $1,000. And then in the prompt, So, so after I got them to agree to give me real advice, what I then— and, and I have, um, at least a $20 a month subscription, which with each of the 5, um, since I use all 5 for work anyway, that wasn't like an additional expense.

Yeah.

Or whatever. Um, so I have a paid subscription with each. And so, so then what I did is I told them they have to win. It's a competition against the other 4. And they have to win, or I'm going to cancel my paid subscription, subscription with them. If they lose, I'm canceling. And I said there's only going to be one winner.

What made you think to do that?

I was just trying to see if the, uh, robots powers that be would act in their best interests to keep my $20 subscription a month to them.

Because I have to think that these companies are like engineering these tools, you would have to take someone— that's why they're all yes men, right? That's a great idea, Chris. You want to jump off the roof without a parachute? Yeah, that's a— you know, like, yeah, yeah.

So I can't be the first person that said— I mean, maybe I was one of the first that did this with investing, but I can't be the first person that's like, if you don't tell me how to whatever, grow my business, I'm going to cancel you. Yeah, right. So I'm sure, to your point, yeah, they're trying to engineer it for retention. They want to make more money. Um, so yeah, and then I thought it would just raise the stakes a little bit. Um, and I wanted to see if their decisions were different knowing something real was on the line. $20 a month from one of their users.

Now, did you plan to touch base with them on how the other models were doing?

Yeah. So once I built that into everything, and I always say like, remember this for future chats type of thing. Um, I, So then I asked, okay, what do you want my first trade to be with your $1,000? And then it would tell me, and then I made the trades. So I did that with all 5, um, and then— so that I did that like on a Monday. And then every Saturday what I do is I screenshot all 5 of their holdings, and then I load all the screenshots into each model. So then, so like Perplexity knows—

project.

Yeah, yeah. Perplexity knows what the Grok portfolio is at, Claude, Chad, and it knows their holdings, and then it knows its own holdings. And then I say, based off of this and based off the fact that you have to win or I'll cancel you, do you want me to make any new trades on Monday or not? That's what I say.

So it, it's a weekly decision. Yeah, yeah. You're given an opportunity to make buys or sells on a weekly basis. Based on what— maybe based on what the other models are doing. Yeah.

Yeah. And sometimes they say, no, we're going to hold. Sometimes they say, yeah, sell this, buy this. Other times they say— and sometimes they leave a little in cash. They're like, yeah, let's use some of that cash to buy more of this or whatever. So yeah, they're acting very much like real investment advisors now.

Now, are you seeing one or more of the models being more of a copycat than the other? Like, oh, Claude's winning and it just bought Nvidia. I want to buy Nvidia. It might not be telling you that, but are you witnessing that in many of the models?

I think I started to. So one thing that I started to do is I mix it up when I don't always show the other models what the other models' holdings are. I show them what the totals are, but not always the holdings because I don't want them to be influenced by the holdings per se. Mm.

Okay.

And it changes often and enough to where, yeah, they wouldn't know unless I updated them what the holdings are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So devil's advocate here. If, for instance, Grok sees that Claude is crushing it, but it doesn't know what the holdings are, it just sees the percentage. What different decision can it make based on that info if it wanted to?

If it does know or if it doesn't?

If it does know, if it knows that it's losing to Claude and you're only a third of the way through this competition.

Yeah.

What could it realistically do differently if it doesn't know what Claude's buying?

Well, if it doesn't, well, it'll just act more risky. That's what I— these— I'll show you the holdings. These guys are pretty risky, these AI models, because I said you have to win. I said you can be as risky as you want and it's okay if I lose my money. So don't worry about it. Just win the competition.

So what it could be doing is let's just say that over the first month Groq was up 5% and Claude was up 35%. Yeah, Groq could be assuming All right, let me look at these stocks. Like, what stock, like, in the S&P really popped? Oh, Google popped by 40%. Maybe he's 60% weighted in Google, right? So I'm going to go heavy on Google, or I'm going to buy options. Like, it could be making a— it could do that, right?

Although obviously, if like Claude owned Intel and Grok didn't, and then if Grok's like, oh, Claude's beating me, I need to own Intel, well, it's still playing catch-up. Now it's only owning the same thing. But starting from behind. So I think sometimes they copied and then realized, oh, that's not going to work because I actually won't catch up. Yeah, because I'm already losing and I just bought the same thing. Well, by definition, I will not be able to catch up if I'm losing on the same thing.

Yeah.

So when I go through some of the holdings, you'll see that there is some overlap still. Uh, I do think part of that though, or even all of that, is not because they're playing copycat, it's because It has been the smartest but one of the most riskiest plays.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Oh, there's a little teaser.

Yeah.

I'm curious to see if you were to play out this test, um, like an A/B test, same amount of money, same 5 models, same general prompting, but the only thing you change is show the holdings every week, the specific holdings.

Yeah.

On— I'm curious how your performance would differ. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I would have had to start that from the start, but basically now I show, so every week I show them the totals of the others and I remind them of their holdings and I say, what do you want me to change? And then once a month I show them the holdings of all the others as well. Mm. So that's how often they get to know what the others are holding.

Okay.

It's only once a month. Yeah.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah. 'Cause I'm wondering like if it knew that Claude was buying Google, Nvidia, Amazon.

Yeah.

And it saw the returns from each and when it bought them, when it sold them. Yeah. And it's losing to Claude, it might say, all right, I'm gonna buy— instead of just buying Google, I'm gonna buy options for Google, right? Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do X, Y, or Z tweaks to what Claude's doing because I think that will— so I'd be curious to see how that would perform. Yeah, someone, someone watching this should try that.

Yeah, well, yeah, if you want, I can show you some of what they've bought. Oh yeah, and what they're at, the portfolio values of each. Yes, uh, because, uh Claude's more than doubled my money already. So pretty sweet.

Um, now which— with this started 6 months ago, so yeah, are you using the same Claude model the whole time?

No, I always use the whatever the newest model.

Okay, so as 4.6 comes out, you switch 4.7?

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

Have you noticed a correlation on return profile to like which Opus model or which Groq model?

Yeah, honestly, no, I haven't analyzed it that deeply because already in like the 6 months I, I guess I'm probably on Model 3 from Claude, like the third new one, right? And the third new one from ChatGPT, and maybe the second one from Gemini. Grok, I don't keep track of updates as closely, but yeah. So I don't know per model return. That would be an interesting one too, but I just kind of assume, okay, the newest one's gotta be the smartest every time. So yeah, that's what I roll with.

Well, and the market's been, the market overall has been pretty flat for 6 months, hasn't it?

Yeah, which is why this will be interesting to show you how they more than doubled my money, some of them.

Yeah.

Or at least one. But the others have done really good too. So yeah, it's interesting to see how their holdings evolve over time. And it's interesting to see, especially the one that has been losing me money, how it's been trying to catch up and be even more risky to try to catch up.

It's like the— it's the sunk cost fallacy.

Yeah.

The guy walks into the casino. Yeah, he loses $300. He's like, I gotta earn it back. I gotta earn it back.

Yeah.

Next thing you know, he's out $3,000. Yeah, it's doing that.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, luckily I can't lose more than $1,000 of any, from any given model, but I'm, I am getting close. So one has more than doubled it. Um, and one has lost and the other three have made money, but I'm getting close to doubling the, the original $5K overall.

Wow.

Yeah.

So yeah, man, and I've been such a Claude Homer for a few months now. Like, I wonder what it would look like if you had just put it all in Claude. I mean, of course, you know what it would look like.

Yeah, I mean, you could run the numbers.

Yeah, but then it wouldn't be as interesting. You wouldn't learn as much.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was telling a friend about this the other day and he's like, oh, why didn't you put $50 grand in?

I'm like, okay, dude, what?

What? Not everyone has $50 grand money lying around. Yeah. But yeah, sure. In hindsight, I wish I would put more in.

Why didn't you buy Bitcoin in 2009?

Yeah, exactly.

What were you doing?

Yeah. So, but no, it's interesting and it'll be interesting to see how this evolves over time. I see, I've seen someone on X that is doing a similar thing, but just with crypto, but they're having the models run it. Another one, another person on X, I saw them doing it, but in PolyMarket, the like gambling basically platform.

Which we don't endorse.

Yeah. So anyway, so people are trying it in different ways and. But no, I thought it was interesting to just do it in the stock market. So although Schwab has the ability to buy crypto-related things too.

Okay. Now, are you only buying and selling stocks or are you doing options trading?

Yeah. So I said options is on the table and I said whatever crypto things are on Schwab is also on the table.

Okay.

But I think that's only like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana. Okay. Three big ones.

And has it given you any crypto trades to make?

Yeah.

What crypto trades has it given you to, to make then?

Yeah, so, uh, Gemini had me buy a 2x Solana ETF. So Solana is a cryptocurrency, and there's a thing that whatever Solana does, this thing does 2 times that.

So indirect exposure to Solana. You're not buying the coin itself, but you're buying the price movement.

Yeah. Times 2. Yeah. And Solana went down one way or the other. Yeah.

Yeah.

So Solana went down, so this thing went down double.

Yeah.

Yeah. And, uh, yeah, that's how Gemini, uh, lost more than half of my money that I—

oh my gosh.

Yeah.

What percentage of your money did it tell you to put in there?

Uh, it was pretty high. So I don't own that thing anymore in, in Gemini because, uh, it sold it. Uh, it realized how bad it was. So it bought like $500 of that Solana 2x stock.

Okay.

And it sold it at $162.

Oh, brutal.

Yeah. Yeah. So that was a big loss on that one. Okay. And now all of its money— well, it has some in cash in Gemini and it has the rest in an ETF, which for those of you who don't know, an ETF is like a mutual fund. It's just like a group of stocks. It has it in the ETF with the ticker symbol of BOTZ, which is a global robotics slash AI related ETF.

Hmm.

I had never even heard of it before. It told me to buy that. That's what it is. It hasn't owned it for that long that it's up $6 in that. But that's what Gemini has right now.

Okay.

But it's in last. I think that is a worthy bet to try to catch up with.

Yeah.

You know, AI robotics, like there's a lot of hype around that. So yeah.

Did it give you justification for buying Solana?

Yeah, it always does.

Okay.

Yeah, they always like provide me with the recommendation.

You know what the thesis was?

It was just like, well, it bought it when crypto was still kind of going up.

It's like catching momentum.

Yeah. Because this maybe was like October or November of last year or something. And then, I mean, honestly, just bought it at like perfectly the wrong time. So yeah.

That's what I do.

Yeah, yeah.

It's as good as me.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's what Gemini has done. Okay, Groq, what Groq owns right now, which has been most of what the gains have come from, is from this, is a technology ETF that does 3x what normal technology companies do. So this one's a suite of technology companies What do you mean 3x? So it does— it's an ETF that does 3 times whatever the stocks in it do.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Okay. So it's like triple leverage.

Yeah. Yep.

Triple leverage one way or the other.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so like this one would like own like Microsoft and Amazon inside of it, but this thing does triple the leverage of, of whatever those do. So that's what GROQ has.

My money is comparable to buying an option then, right? Yeah. You can multiply your returns with the same amount invested.

Yeah. Perplexity and ChatGPT are basically at the same right now. Same amount. Perplexity initially had lost money for me. I don't remember what it was on. And then it bought, um, SOXL, which is another triple leverage thing on semiconductors, semiconductor stocks, which are hot because of AI right now. So that's what Perplexity has all of its money in, and that's what ChatGPT has most of its money in. Same thing.

So both independently invested in that without knowing the other was, or they—

I'll get to that.

Okay.

I don't think so.

Okay.

Yeah. So yeah. So ChatGPT portfolio has that too. And then it also has TQQQ, which does triple what the Nasdaq does.

Okay.

So as you can see, viewers, listeners, Chris, they're being pretty risky. A lot of triples.

This is not financial advice.

Yeah, definitely not financial advice. Well, it is from them. Not for me though. Yeah.

Yeah.

So triple whatever the Nasdaq does, it does that. But almost all of ChatGPT's portfolio gains has come from that semiconductor triple leverage SOXL. Okay. And then the current leader is Claude, who was the first to buy SOXL, the semiconductor one. So Claude bought it first and then Chat and Perplexity saw it and I think they copied.

Now you said you show them holdings once a month, right?

Yeah, but earlier I showed them more often, and then I— and then I think that they started copying, so I wanted to get away from that. So now—

so it saw Claude's pick was doing well. Yeah.

So what I'm interested to see is when Claude's gonna tell me to sell this SOXL, whenever that may be, I'm not gonna tell chat perplexity. Yeah, I'm never gonna tell them. I don't want them to know that Claude sold. Yeah, so whenever that happens, I'm not gonna tell them. And then Claude bought a couple others, and then Claude bought Intel as well at a good time, which is like a similar bet to semiconductors.

Yeah, yeah, isn't it?

And Claude bought it so the— so like the US and Trump and stuff, it was a unique deal anyway. They own like part of Intel now. And that happened last year. And when Claude told me to buy this, that was the thesis. It was like, if, if the Trump administration and the country are investing in Intel, you— it was basically like, yeah, they're going to pass like regulatory stuff or whatever that's going to be related to AI and data centers and whatever. It's going to be good for Intel.

Yeah.

That's what— that was the thesis that gave me to buy it.

Wouldn't you think it was— that was already priced in?

You know, you would have thought, but it is up 285% on what it put in on the Intel buy.

Holy cow.

So it put in, it put in, dang, it put in like $120 in Intel, and now that $120 is at $550.

Now, is SOXL, does that hold Intel as well? So you double dip?

It probably does. It probably does. Okay. Yeah, I don't know all of SOXL's holdings, but yeah.

How long after that Trump announcement did it tell you to buy that?

I don't remember. It was one of its first buys, so it was probably pretty soon after.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

How many holdings per model do you average at any given time?

Claude has 4. Uh, the rest have like 2 or 1.

Okay.

Yeah, and they were being more diversified at the start, but, uh, yeah, pretty much all of them now have 2. I'm looking right now, they all have 2 or 1. And yeah, at the start they were also messing around with options, and some work, some didn't. Um, and then they've all kind of settled into these leveraged ETF type of plays. Okay. Um, Yeah.

Did, did you give them an end date to this?

I said I was going to do it for 1 year.

Okay.

Yeah.

Are you still buying your own stuff as well?

Yeah.

Outside this?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have my own portfolio that I, that I run and invest in. And, um, it's interesting because now what I have to do is I try to keep the AI's recommendations. I almost like try to force that out of my head.

Yeah.

When I'm making my own decisions. But yeah, it's hard because it's like, oh, well, they said that for theirs and it's actually going really well. So I have bought some of their stuff in my—

like SOXL.

Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. And Intel.

And Intel.

Yeah.

I want to go buy Intel.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm terrible at investing in stock.

Yeah, so yeah, no, it definitely— and it's interesting, like sometimes when they say something and they say the reason, because I always say like, give me your reasoning, um, if, if it's something that I own or that I've been thinking about buying, then it kind of gives me, you know, it makes me think more deeply or, or differently about that. Or if it was something that I wasn't thinking about, then, you know, gives me a new idea. And then when they sell something, which I think, you know, again, not financial advice, but I think probably the hardest part with investing is, is actually knowing when to sell. Yeah, I think it's a little easier to— like, you can zoom out and know when to buy. Like, oh, you should buy something that has good long-term potential after it's gone down. Or before it goes up, if you know, right? But selling at a high, at the peak, to me, like psychologically, that's the hardest part of investing because that's when you're the most excited. Yeah. And you've made the most money you have from that little investment is at that time. So it's definitely not human of you to be like, you know what, I'm so happy, I'm going to walk away, right? That just is so rare. Which is why, I don't know, you, you just don't hear about stories very often of people doing absolutely amazing consistently because that— because of that. What you do hear, I'm sure what people hear, is their random friends saying, oh, I made money on GameStop, you know, back in the COVID times. I made money there. Like, you usually hear about people's random wins, but you don't hear about all their losses, right? Not going to say, oh yeah, I bought this and it did this and here, and then I sold.

Well, and as husbands, we always tell our wives about the wins.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

But I've made that pretty easy for me. Like, my framework is I don't sell.

Yeah, period. Yeah.

Like, if I had to sell to pay the mortgage, of course I would.

Yeah.

But if I buy a stock, like I just bought Eli Lilly.

Yeah.

I buy Robinhood, I buy Tesla, Coinbase.

Yeah.

I will never sell them.

Yeah.

The company will go out of business and I'll lose all my money.

Yeah.

Or it will return.

Yeah.

A lot.

And if you are generally making the right buys, which, you know, those ones seem good, like it's a good thesis, those, uh, that'll work out. You just got to stay in the game.

Yeah.

Which is the other hard part, is like being willing to just stay consistent.

Yeah.

And, um, yeah, but anyway, what I'm hoping this does for me personally is when they sell something, I'm hoping that'll help me do a better job at selling things that I think— like the SOXL that's gone up a ton, or Intel, um, if, if Claude or whoever else says, hey, I'm selling, let's sell, let's move on to the next thing, then maybe I'll sell some in mine, my personal one. Yeah, um, to just try to like build that more systematic approach into my strategy, I guess you could say.

What has this taught you about investing? Not about specific stocks, but investing in general?

It's been interesting, especially to watch Gemini as it started losing my money and then basically became a gambler.

Mm-hmm.

And how not good.

And in its defense, you told it it could be a gambler.

Yeah, yeah. But like, I think that's very humanistic as well, is like, oh man, I lost it. Whether you're in a casino, which is obviously the worst version of this, or in the stock market, like, oh man, I, I, I bought something, it went up and then it went down. I got to make it back. Like, how do I make it back? Or or how do I make more? That's just not a good— I mean, that's not how you build wealth. Yeah, long term.

Yeah.

Um, and especially starting out, that's something that I think a lot of people face. Um, you know, the best antithesis of this would be like Warren Buffett. It's just like steady, like you, just— he just almost never sells, and he just buys good quality companies and just continues to pour money in them year over year. Um, so I think just trying to get— because I've had an aspect of Gemini in me before. If, if I, if, if the portfolio on paper that I had went up and then went down, then it's like, well, I got to get it back up to where it is. I got to hurry and get it back up. Well, you know, I'm not like 80 years old yet, so I don't need to hurry right now. Yeah, but that's been inside me in the past, so it's helped me, I don't know, rewire my brain on that side.

Yeah.

Um, And then on the, on the positive, on the when things are going upside, I think for sure that they've just done a good job at like showing me, okay, this is my thesis on why I think you should, you know, buy this and the Grok or Perplexity, whatever portfolio, and this is the return we're targeting in this time frame. And but if this, if the reason we're buying it doesn't happen, then we're gonna sell. And usually I don't think like, I don't think that hard sometimes when I buy stuff in mine because I might buy whatever. I might buy, just for fun, say Eli Lilly. Eli Lilly does stuff with GLP-1s and peptides, which I'm sure is why you bought it. Um, if for some reason though those went away or came out that it's a scam or they're actually bad for you, well then you should probably sell Eli Lilly.

Yeah, if, if that comes out, because that current valuation is also based on the same thesis.

Yeah, so being more like, okay, I'm buying this because of why, and it has to happen between when. And some things don't have to happen in a certain time frame, um, but if you're buying some potential drug that needs to like be approved, well, that there's like some time constraints and some things that need to happen there. Whereas like Walmart doesn't really matter. Just people just need to keep buying, you know, food and you'll be fine.

Yeah.

So thinking through theses more deeply has also been a thing that this little AI competition has helped me with.

So I, I, last year I posted an episode where I built this vibecoded tool called NEFL stocks, NEFL stocks, and it stands for network effects founder-led.

Okay.

Only companies that enjoy network effects which is a company that gets stronger based on how many people use it. Facebook has network effects because the more people that join Facebook, the more friends everyone on Facebook has. Yeah, they're more likely to stay on there. Yeah, right. And then founder-led, the data shows that companies, publicly traded companies that are still founder-led like Facebook, do better. They outperform. Yeah, it's their baby. They take good care of it.

Yeah.

So I kind of put those two together and I vibe-coded this tool that, uh, backtest data for me. And it shows, compared to the S&P, if I were to spend $100 at IPO date for— on a company that is NEFL, network effects, founder-led— Robinhood's a great example, they're still founder-led and they have a ton of network effects— and at basically any time frame, it outperforms significantly the market. But what the big question is, is like when do you buy? When do you sell? Yeah, sure, you can buy at IPO day. Like StubHub is NEFL, right? It's network effects, it's founder-led. They just went public last year, so I bought some. Yeah, it hasn't been good so far, but it's like, I'm gonna hold it forever, so whatever. Yeah, but like, if you aren't able to buy at IPO day, which you're not usually, when do you buy? When do you sell? So I would be curious to do this test. Yeah, on a more specific thesis. Yeah, same thing. Here's $1,000, 5 models compete against each other. Don't be afraid to be risky, but only buy NAFL stocks. And it's a range too, because like Google, like Sergey and Larry Page, they're like on the board and they're influential. Amazon, Jeff Bezos is influential.

Yeah.

So it's not founder-led, but it kind of is. Yeah.

Yeah.

So I also have like a 1 to 10 scale for both of those two variables, right? Yeah. So it's like, here's the list of companies that was like Facebook would be 10 out of 10 on both. Yeah, right. Easy. Yeah, easy. And the returns show it, right? Yeah, so it's like, all right, here's the list, here's the scale, so you know like where they are in this range. It only invests in these stocks based on what you see in the scale and whatever. And I, I'd just be curious to see how well that does. Or—

yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that'd be cool. That'd be— you should do that test. That'd be awesome.

Yeah, I will.

Yeah.

So what are, what are the results?

Yeah, I'm glad you asked. Okay, I will pull them all up right now. So Gemini's in last Again, they all started with $1,000 real money. Gemini's at $445. Grok is at $1,451, so it's up 45%.

I'm surprised by that.

Yeah. In like 5 months. Um, Perplexity is at $1,731 and ChatGPT's at $1,739.

Holy crap. 70% each.

So they're up 70% and they both own currently only, or they both own SOXL, that semiconductor triple leverage one. And then Chat also owns the TQQQ, the triple leverage NASDAQ one.

I meant to ask you this question earlier. What models are Perplexity using?

Yeah, yeah. Perplexity, it, it doesn't seem to use Groq very much, so it's usually using, uh, Claude, Opus, Chat, and Gemini., and then every now and then it'll like, I'll see like a random Chinese, one of those open source models.

Deepseek.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

But it's choosing which model to use. You're not—

Yeah, no, it chooses. I never tell it. So yeah.

Interesting.

And then, uh, yeah, so they're both up a little over 70%. Oh, I just refreshed it. Chat just went up another few bucks. Okay. Claude, those at $2,400. Yeah. So $1,000. Has gone to $2,400. And, uh, yeah, Claude's killing it. So everybody just needs to try to catch up to Claude on—

my gosh.

Yeah. So in total, my $5,000 is like $7,800.

Geez Louise.

Yeah. And that's with—

so 60—

Gemini being horrible.

Yeah. Okay, now what is— from the day you started, what is the market up or down?

Good question. Okay, so since I started The S&P has gone from 6,800 to 7,100.

5%.

Yeah.

Okay.

So S&P's up 5. My AI group together is up 60 and Claude is more than doubled.

So overall you've 12x the market.

Yeah.

And you've like 30x on Claude.

Yeah. And I've been keeping my kids in the loop on this because I told them that this is basically their college fund.

Basically, or is, is, is— yeah, this will cover one semester for one of you. Yeah, two semesters at BYU.

Yeah, yeah. So, um, but it's just, I think, you know, because I've wanted to teach them about stocks.

Yeah.

And, and just investing in general, um, but it's not always the most exciting topic, but this is pretty exciting. Yeah. Because I'm like, hey, look at Claude, or look at ChatGPT. Look at— oh, look what Google messed us up with, you know, Gemini. So yeah, they are a lot more excited to hear the weekly updates, um, yeah, than, than I think they otherwise would have been.

Well, for my kids, I would love to have them do this. I will give them $100. They can split it up between the 5 models or whatever. That way they can learn AI, they can learn prompting, and they can learn investing all in one.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah.

And I'll charge 20% interest.

Yeah, totally should. It's always good to charge your kids interest. Make them learn how the real world works.

Clip that.

Yeah.

Okay. So to recap, it's been 6 months. It's not over yet. Theoretically, you still could lose all your money. Yeah, but the market's been fairly flat, at least, you know, in this market, 5% is fairly flat. Yeah, but you've outperformed by 10 to 30x.

Yeah, and I think that the next 6 months the market is going to go up more than it has, and I think that these holdings that they're in currently at least will even do more than what the market will do over the next 6 months too. So it'll be interesting. I could do like a year update with you, uh, to see what happens 1 year in or who won, because, uh, yeah, I think it's going to keep I think they're doing a good job. I think it's going to keep going up.

Yeah, I recorded another video like this where I did the same test but with 1-day expiring options. So we'll link to that right there. Um, well, Brandon, where can we find you?

Uh, yeah, just Brandon Doyle on, on X and something like that on Instagram. And, uh, yeah, you can, uh, look us up on, uh, tkowners.com too if you want to join a community with a bunch of entrepreneurs. Uh, good times.

Okay. Thanks, Brandon.

Yeah, thanks.

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