The $60K/Month Side Hustle AI Will Never Replace - Ep. #306

We started in March, so we did $60,000 in revenue in April. We'll do $69,000 this month.

Holy cow.

From the start of April till now, we've been booked every day.

Every day.

And we're booked out a month now.

4 days a week?

Yes, sometimes 5.

$3,000, $4,000 profit in a day?

Yeah.

For one job?

We love doing garages. They're easy. You've got slightly different layouts, but for the most part, you're just doing the same thing.

If you're charging more, then you're naturally serving a higher-end clientele.

And the types of people that we sell to, they have money. Like, this is such a luxurious thing. Yeah, nobody needs their concrete coated. Yeah, nobody needs an epoxy flake garage floor. I told a guy at my gym, I'm like, hey, we do this referral program, you know, $200. That $200 referral turned into like a $30,000 job.

This is a guy you went to the gym with?

Yeah, it's not that complicated. You can just start a business.

I think people take comfort assuming that there's more secrets to it, cuz that kind of protects their ego from not actually launching.

Just use AI to help you.

Yeah.

All of our ads are copy and pasted from Claude.

Yeah. What do you think you'll do this year? Your first year in revenue and profit?

A million.

Wow. I mean, you're not even to the thick of like the season yet.

Exactly. Exactly. There's a huge market for this. These are a lot of exciting things going on with AI. AI freaks me out because it's changing so much. But blue collar work is so steady. I want to emphasize it's not that hard to stand out in the blue collar world.

If someone wants to go from zero to $100 grand a month in this business, mm-hmm, what's the playbook? So I get this email from a guy named Mike, middle of nowhere Iowa. He lays tile for a living and he says, Chris, I started a coding business 3 months ago and I'm already making over $60,000 a month. No experience. And you can start this business for under $1,000. So I said, Mike, you're my kind of guy. Let's fly you to Dallas. Bring you to my new studio and have you tell us all about how and why you did exactly what you did so everyone watching can copy you. Let's meet Mike. Mike, thanks for coming.

Thanks for having me.

Why don't you tell me, uh, who you are and what you do?

Yeah, so, uh, I am from Iowa City, Iowa, and I own and run a concrete coatings business.

And how long you've been doing that?

Not long. We fired it up, I started flying the plane like December 31st. I was like, I'm gonna buy all these tools and stuff right before the end of the year, write it off. But we really started, uh, this spring, like 2 months ago. Wow, really recently. Yeah, yeah.

What were you doing in December that gave you this idea?

I'm a tile guy by trade. I've been doing that for about 5 years now. And really, I— tile was like to the point where I was kind of on autopilot with it. And I had gotten down, you know, getting the leads and selling the jobs and filling out the calendar and doing the work. So I was like, I think I'm at this point where I have this margin in my life to where I could do something else. Well, one of my friends, Corey, he was thinking about starting one of these. He had a friend in Illinois who, uh, runs one of these businesses. And so Corey was going out and visiting this guy, and he FaceTimes me while he's on one of their job sites, and he's just like, look at this, you know, look what I'm doing. Hey, And I remember where I was, I was like, wait a second, this is all the— this is as simple as the process is. They're literally grinding the floor, putting on the base coat, throwing the flake, put the top coat on and get out. And this is the, the dead of winter, by the way, in Illinois. So it was like 0 degrees and they're still working, which I was like, huh, uh, I didn't expect that. So he kind of shows me this stuff and I just say, Corey, take pictures of everything. Yeah, record everything.

You're a tile guy. Yeah, you kind of, you know, floors.

Yes, there's some overlap in the products and stuff and just like the surface prep and all that. Um, but I'm like, dude, get me as much information as you can. And so then he starts, you know, all right, Mike. Yeah, he like takes pictures and stuff. And, uh, I just started thinking about it. I started watching YouTube videos and asking, you know, AI stuff, like what would it look like to actually start one of these? And I just kind of start, like I said, like flying the plane as I built this. Then I just create the LLC, start the website, and then I'm like, I'll get the pieces. As they come. But I know the way I started tile is like, just start doing it. Yeah, you'll figure out— don't get paralysis by the unknown things and like the question marks of what it looks like to start a business. I was just like, I'm just going to start this thing and I'll figure it out as I go.

Yeah. First of all, are you still doing tile?

Yeah, so I still do that every day.

Do you do it or do you sub it out, or—

I do all of it. I'm just a solo guy. I, you know, when I first started, I was like, maybe I'll have this big tile company, but I've since just like accepted I'm just a high-cost tile craftsman. I'm not like a production crew. I'm not doing commercial work. It's just like I basically just do high-end showers. Yeah, but yeah, so I do that day to day.

Does that like— do people need tile experience to be in this business or is it— there's no really—

virtually no overlap. This was literally just like when I was saying like my friend, he's FaceTiming me, the idea just popped in my head like, this does not look that hard.

Yeah.

And seemingly there's really good money in it. So yeah, I had weighed other business ideas like Airbnb property management. And, you know, I had like tried some other stuff. At the end of the day, I was always like, the juice ain't worth the squeeze on this. And then this one, for whatever reason, just like clicked with me. I'm like, I think I can learn how to, how to do this successfully. And so there's— I didn't feel like, you know, a calling to epoxy by any means or anything like that. Just like, this is just a business that works and I think I want a piece of it.

But it's like, I would push back and say like, you did feel a calling to it. 'Cause like, you're not like, you're an entrepreneurial guy. Yeah. Right? Clearly. You're not like a lifelong W2er.

Right.

And like, this was the one thing you latched onto. Like, you're entrepreneur-curious.

Sure.

Right? For lack of a better word. And so—

Always.

I think just the signal that this stood out to you is a signal that you should do something about it. That's your gut, right? So to me, I just, I hear that like, it just rang true to you for whatever reason. The universe was saying like, this is what you need to do. You can't put your finger on why, but it was right. Like, your gut was right. You're only 3 months in and you're crushing it.

Yeah, one thing that I have always said is like, I'll always explore an opportunity until it doesn't make sense.

Yeah.

And oftentimes I've like explored opportunities and it just like didn't really make sense. This one was just— I started exploring the opportunity and it's always made sense, and it makes even more sense now than it ever has. So yeah, it's just—

yeah, maybe a calling, I don't know, some sort of I mean, that's all I've ever done. Like, the tagline that always is next to my name is like, started 75 businesses. But I've just explored things until they didn't make sense.

Yeah, it's not, it's not that complicated. You can just, right, start a business. Yeah. Now, you know, depending on your state, like California, you can't just like start this up because you gotta have experience before you get your contractor's license. But like Iowa, where I'm from, you can literally just do it.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I mean, just, just chase the energy until it, it doesn't give you energy anymore.

Yeah.

And chase something else. Yeah. Explain to me what the business is.

So we do, we focus mostly on garage floors. Okay. But there's overlap with interior concrete coatings and some exterior patios and stuff.

So you don't call this epoxy flooring?

So we do, because that's the, the term that most people like, that's like the recognizable consumer term for it.

Yes. Industry speak is, that's not super accurate. Correct.

Okay. Because we're not actually using epoxy.

You can.

Okay. But there's new products that people use. We actually don't use epoxy. We use, uh, our base coat is called a polyurea. And then our top coat is a polyaspartic. So those are the only two like resinous coatings we're using. We're not actually using any epoxy. Okay. But we're doing the way people think of it is those flake floors that you see in a garage.

Uh-huh.

Yeah. So like a, just a decorative finish on your garage floor.

Okay. So is it usually garages that you're doing or you're also doing interior stuff as well?

It's usually garages. That's most of our inquiries. Although when people see our ads and stuff, they do think like, oh, I could do this in my basement. So then, you know, we get a lot of of inquiries about interior stuff as well. And then pool decks and patios, walkways, front porch, that kind of stuff. That's pretty popular too. You can use the same product in all those, all those spaces.

Okay. What does like a typical customer of yours look like? Are we, are we talking like 40-something, like middle-aged with kids, 3,000 to 5,000 square foot house, just wants their garage to look nicer?

Yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't know that we've had anybody that I would say I would assume was under 30 reach out to us yet. They're all older people, typically males, because the male typically cares about his garage more than his wife does. Um, we haven't done a one-car garage yet, so typically it's like 2, 3, 4-car garages. We've done a shop space. Uh, we're actually— the boys are actually working on a church right now, just doing like a grind and seal. So yeah, mostly older males. Like our Facebook ads would say like 55+ males is pretty much who's reaching out to us.

So less 40s, even mostly 50+?

Yep.

Okay. What is— for a 2-car garage, what's your average ticket price on that?

So we charge $8 a square foot for everything. The way I get there is, um, our strict materials cost.

Mhm.

So I kind of like reverse engineer this. Uh, our strict materials cost is for our base coat, the flake that you broadcast into the base coat, and then the top coat is $1.56 per square foot.

For each or total?

Total.

Okay. That's your hard cost. That's my hard cost. 3 layers.

Yes.

Okay.

You got it. And then there's miscellaneous install materials like gloves and rollers and all that kind of stuff, plus some shipping. So I call it another $0.50. So our strict materials cost is $2.06 a square foot.

Okay.

Our monthly expenses that we're running are about $7,300. Okay. So that's like overhead fixed or pretty much that's advertising. We have a shop, that's insurance, gas for the vehicles. Basically everything else except labor adds up to about $7,300.

Okay. So that dollar amount per job comes down as you scale.

Yes. Yep. And then per month, I like to, I like to think of it. I, when I started the business, I was like, oh, if I could do, you know, 14 jobs a month at X amount of dollars, I later switched to thinking about 7,000 square foot a month is a very reasonable goal for a full schedule. So then, you know, you take those monthly expenses, about $7,300 divided by 7,000 square foot a month, you're looking at another dollar a square foot. And then for your labor costs, it's hard work. So if I'm like coaching somebody on doing this, I would say plug in like $35 an hour for your, for your helper.

So you can get someone good and keep them.

Yes, because you can find anybody for $25. Right. But you kind of need— you need that next level of employee. Yeah. And so I'm like, plug in $35 an hour and see what happens and see if you still like the numbers at that. With that, that's about $5,600 a month to pay that person. So divide that by 7,000, you get another $0.80 a square foot.

And to do 7,000 square feet, you could do that with one person.

You're saying one person plus a helper.

Okay.

Yeah. So I'm assuming— we'll get there. Yeah. Okay. So then your strict cost is $3.90 per square foot.

We're almost at 50% here.

So then that's where I say just double it. Yeah. With tile and with— I think a good local service trades business can make 50% gross profit on a job. So I was like, if I was going to give this job to somebody, what would this cost me? About $3.90 a square foot. Then I'm going to sell it at $8 a square foot.

Okay. How does— okay, so I'm thinking, I'm thinking of my garage. And so we're talking like 20 by 40, which is like 700 square feet. Is that like a two-car garage?

Yeah, that's like a large two-car.

So $7,000 would be 10 in a month, 10 jobs. Jobs in a month?

Yeah.

Okay. All right. So for, so for $7,000, you're charging $5,600? Yep. How does that compare to like your top 3 competitors in your area? Uh, what would they do?

It's more expensive. So my top 3 competitors, there's 2 of them who would, who, who start really high and then they eventually come down to just probably below us. There's one competitor who's honestly like way below us, like almost 50%.

Hmm. They're just happy making less?

Yeah. And they're just a volume. So we've decided like We could be the volume business or we could just be a profitable business that doesn't have to, you know, kill ourselves to, you know, try and sell X amount of jobs so that we can pay our bills.

But you get more difficult customers that way too.

Yes, for sure. So we're more expensive, but we think like we provide a better service.

Yeah.

Like we pick up the phone when you call, we show up on time, we don't smell like cigarettes. We, it's like the normal bar is low for a blue collar business to survive and like do really well today.

Yeah. And you hear that a lot on social media, like, man, just pick up your phone. Are you saying it's like actually is that way?

Oh yeah.

Like the bar is actually low.

Yeah, it's— oh, it's so low. Like, yeah, if somebody submits a lead on our— if they click on our ad, we just call them and they're always like, wow, you called me right away. Yeah. Like we get the notification. Yep. My brother's calling. Hey, saw you just filled out our form. You know, how can we help you? Wow, that's so fast. If you just follow through, go give somebody a quote in person, shake their hand, be a normal person. And then the thing that I found too, is be honest about your pricing, like from the start before you get there on site. Yeah. So like our ads, they all say our pricing already.

Really? Yeah.

That's like our most successful ad is my brother and he, the hook is kind of, he's like, how much does it cost? How much does it cost?

That's good.

He's like, that's what people want to know.

Yeah.

And I read this book called They Ask, You Answer. Have you heard of this book? It's like Marcus Sheridan or something like that.

Okay.

I don't even know what the main point of the book is. Here's my one takeaway of the book. People want to know the cost of what you're selling them. And me as the contractor, I know what it's going to cost. So I can just build trust with my customers by just telling them the cost right up front at the beginning.

Like literally in the beginning of the conversation.

Yeah, because they're reaching out and that's the number one question they have is how much does this thing cost? Yeah. So if you just tell them that— my competitors, they're not telling them. They're like, well, we have to come and we have to—

everything's different.

Like, come on, it's a garage.

Yeah. They all look pretty much— in some home service businesses, that is kind of necessary, right? Like, but in this, it's pretty binary.

Yeah, it's like, hey, if you go out and you measure, you can get a really good rough ballpark number. Yeah, pretty much the only thing that changes our price is if they want to add stuff on. Yeah, like if you want to add steps or like the vertical stem walls on the side. Mhm. So yeah, if, if we just tell people what they're looking for— yeah, first of all, it saves us time too on customers who are just tire kickers. Yeah, and they expect it to be like $3 a square foot, which is like less than my cost, you know. Yeah, we get that too, but just they're pre-qualifying themselves. When they reach out.

So, and the fact that they're reaching out plus the fact that they're asking the price shows you that they have high intent. Yeah. So it's like, we might as well answer because they have high intent. Let's reward that with their answer. Yeah. Um, okay, so where are most of these leads coming from? Facebook ads, Google ads, LSA, a combo?

We do all of it, but my initial thought was like, oh, this is all going to come from people who are looking up, um, you know, concrete coatings near me on Google. I was so wrong about that. It's all Facebook and Instagram. People just see— once they see the process of, you know, getting the grinder out on the floor and throwing the flake. It's very like catchy visually. So people then start imagining, oh, I wonder what that would look like. And then they just fill out our form. So it's all basically all meta ads. Yeah, we get some Google traffic. We have a referral program, but it's mostly meta.

Okay. Do you do like Thumbtack, LSA, Angie's List, any of that? No. You're not even listed on there?

We do the local, local service ads, the Google ones. But no, we don't do Thumbtack or Angie or anything like that.

Okay.

Angie's really misleading with a lot of this stuff. We get customers say, Angie told me my cost should be $1,000. It's like, lady, it's not $1,000.

Yeah. Um, okay, so Meta ads, do you have more or less success with Instagram or Facebook, or is it pretty evenly split?

Mostly Facebook. My theory is the age, that's where the old people are hanging out.

Yeah.

And they, they scroll and they see it and they're like, oh wow. Yeah. So that's, yeah, most Facebook.

You're in a good position because like you said the, the platform Meta rewards you because your paid content is visually appealing. Yes.

Most people see it.

Yes. Ad and that we're just gone no matter what.

For sure.

But it's like, it's kind of like pressure washing. Like there's a handful of things that are time lapses of a roof being swapped out or time lapses of an overgrown yard. Like your cost per acquisition is naturally lower because people want to watch that. For sure. But that also means that that theoretically invites more competitors, right? It's not really a secret. So how much of your leads come from Meta ads? Is it like the vast majority of them?

Yeah, it's probably like 80 or 90%.

Okay.

I'd probably say 90% plus.

What is your cost per lead?

Well, we're still trying to figure that out because like I said, you know, we're, we're still relatively new. That one ad that I was talking about that has the good hook, it's like $30 a lead. Wow. Some other ones that we've tried have And we've given them a good fair shake. That's like $100 a lead, which still is fine if, you know, if you consider we're closing like maybe 20% of our jobs and they're plenty profitable. Like, it's okay. We're basically like putting in a lottery ticket every— yeah, every minute. It's like $30 and then sometimes, you know, $5,000 job pops out and it's like, oh, that was a dud. $30, that was a dud. $30, oh, $6,000 job. You know, so it's kind of like— yeah, we just actually upped our ads because we are going to scale to a second crew here. We bought the vehicle, the grinder, all that stuff needed to start a second crew. Amazing. Um, pretty quick.

So, so is 20% your close rate then?

Yeah, I'd say.

What about like show rate? Because a lot of these ads are low intent, or a lot of these leads I assume are low intent, because we run Facebook ads for— we have like a backyard, uh, it's called Backyard Funhouse, where we do sport courts and stuff, and we get a lot of just low intent leads, right? And they— we call them up right away and it's like, who are you? I didn't even— do you ever get that?

Yeah, well, we, we put a little more friction in our Okay. In our ads before we did like the instant form. Yeah. And people were like, you know, cussing us out.

Yeah.

Who are you? I never clicked anything. Yes, you did, sir, because I have your information right here. How am I talking to you? Yeah. So then we made them answer one question, which was, what are you interested in? It's like interior, garage, exterior, other. And so that one question has like made our quality of leads so much better. It increased the cost, obviously. Sure. But it's made our leads like actual people who actually are interested in the product.

Is that question still asked on the instant form? Or do you send them to your website and ask it there?

No. So it's like they, they click like get quote or learn more or whatever it is, and they have to answer that question. And then it's like, here's your information. Is this correct? And they just hit send.

Okay.

So it's like 2 buttons.

Okay. Then you call them right away.

Call them right away.

Yeah. What if they submit it in the middle of the night? First thing in the morning?

Yep. Yep. So we have a separate phone. My brother has it and he just— anytime he comes in, that's his main thing is like pick up the phone.

You have one job. Pretty much. That's an important job.

Oh yeah.

That's your revenue. That's your lifeline. Yeah. And I assume he's good at it.

He's fantastic. What— you can sell ice to an Eskimo.

What's his secret sauce?

Probably just charisma. Okay. Um, I don't know what it is. He, he's just really good at, at selling and like winning people over.

Yeah.

He had some formal training in sales as a car salesman. Okay. Um, but even that was just like honing in the skills that were already there for him, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Okay. So you don't— do you even send them to your website at all in any of your ads?

We do like at the end. Okay.

Um, when you already have their info?

Yeah, it's like they fill out the form and then it's like redirects. Yeah, it goes, goes to the website after that.

Okay, so 20% close rate. So if you spend $150 on 5 leads, you're going to close one of them theoretically. Yeah, you might go 10 in a row, you don't close any, you might close 2 in a row.

Yep. Yeah, we got— yeah, we have like weird times where it's like sometimes 10 leads will come in a day and sometimes 0 will come in. Yeah, it's something broken. Nope, it's just totally random.

Yeah. Now average job size is $500 to $600 an average job size?

Yep, about $600 probably. I'd say maybe, maybe 750, something like that.

750 square feet?

Yeah.

Sorry.

Okay.

Okay. Yeah. So 5,500, 6,000, somewhere in there.

Around there.

Okay. And then how long from like time to close or like call to like you're doing the job and you're paid?

So my brother will answer the phone. He'll be like, can I come out today? Can I come out this afternoon? Like speed delete. It's all just like get in front of them and let Luke do his thing. And then, you know, we'll close it from there. After that, he's like, 10% is all I need to get you on the schedule. So 10% non-refundable down payment. And then, you know, we're booked out like a month right now. So then jobs take a day, most of them. Okay. Big job takes two, but most of them take one day.

Okay, with one guy and a helper?

Okay, two guys, two guys in the field. And, um, and then yeah, we get paid right after, either check or Venmo or whatever.

A day being 8 hours, 10 hours?

They're about 10-hour days. So what we do is we schedule Monday through Thursday Okay, and we just tell our guys like, hey, anticipate these are going to be hard days. Friday, don't consider like off, but if you get everything done Monday through Thursday, then Friday's off. Yeah, so another reason we do that is because you can't do it in the rain. Uh, we had in Iowa, we had a few like, you know, like rained at night, then it was super hot the next day, so all the garage was like sweating like canned does when you pulled out the fridge. So we had to like wait on that. So we just have that flex day in there and we just tell people, uh, we're gonna work 4 days this week. We plan on them being Monday through Thursday, but sometimes it's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.

Are they W-2? Are they independent contractors?

Yeah, they're W-2. Okay.

Do you pay them on Fridays if they're not working? Like, or do you only pay?

Yep. So we tell them like weekly pay. Yep. We tell them we'll pay on Friday and we'll pay for 40 hours. Okay. Whether you work 36 hours or 44, you're getting paid 40 hours and everybody's like, cool.

Okay. So call it $35 for the main guy. How much for the helper?

Well, so in my mind, the $35 would be like a super high qualified helper. And then the other, the other person would be in my mind, the operator.

He's like the crew lead, like the GM.

Yeah. If you have, if you're not going to do any of the work, I would say, yeah, you could probably find the right guy for $35 and then a helper for $25. Okay. That makes sense.

Yeah. Okay. So $35 and $25.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, that would, I think that's plenty safe.

Yeah. Okay. So let's say it's 10 hours. So that's $60 an hour for both. $600 in labor plus like the $3 per foot for everything. So man, that's, that's really good margins. Yeah, really. $3,000, $4,000 profit in a day.

Yeah.

For one job. That's incredible. And one crew equals one job a day. Correct. So if you, if you have a heavy week, you just got to spread them out. They were a week out or whatever. Let's talk numbers. So first month. Okay, so you had the idea on December 31st, you started making moves, you bought some equipment, you filed your LLC. When did you like in earnest start your ads or like what's like your official launch date when you told the world that you're in business?

Um, so, well, okay, let me back up and do a little bit of backstory. So I just kind of like chilled on the idea for a little bit and was getting the business structure in place. By that time it was my brother and I, and in February we tested it out on my own garage. So we kind of just like waited for a little bit. Okay. Right. Because it was also the dead of winter. I was like, we don't need to like rush this thing. There was no rush. Yeah. So we test the first one in February. It went fine. Now, now I look at it and I'm like, This is—

you see it every day.

Yeah. But now I told, I told my brother, my other business partners, I was like, this is a monument. Yeah. Like we're never touching.

You're not in business without that.

Yeah. This is, this is literally—

that's like the proverbial first dollar framed on the wall.

Exactly. Right. Yeah. So it's fine. My garage is rough but functional.

Yeah. Would the average person notice that?

No, you'd walk in, you'd be like, dude, this rocks.

Yeah. But you have an eye for it. Yes.

Okay. So then in February we start spreading the word, hey, we're starting this thing. We do 3. We book 3 of them in a week just from word of mouth. Like, wow, you want us to do your garage?

This is just you, word of mouth, just telling friends? Yeah, just like in the church, just, hey, we're starting posting about it on your personal Facebook and Instagram.

I don't even know if we did that. We were literally just like, just talking. We're going to basically test this thing. We'll give you an early bird discount if you want to be our guinea pig. And we had 3 people who were like, yeah, sure. So we do them, 3 of them a day each. Okay, so Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

What, what month was this?

This is, uh, February. 2026. This past February. Yep, 2026. First one goes great. Took us way long cuz we're still just learning how to walk.

And who's us?

You, me, my brother, and then we had a friend who was helping us too. So there's 3 of us. Um, second one goes great, same thing. These were like relatively small garages. Well, one of them was 3-car, one was 2-car. Third one, this was our roughest garage yet. It was like all pitted and spalling, so it's like got the chunks out of it cuz the Iowa salt in the winter kind of pops the—

looking back, was that actually rough Yes. No.

Okay. So it needed a lot of prep.

Okay. Do you charge extra for that today? No, you just, you average it out.

We're like, every garage needs a little bit of prep. Okay. And yeah, like we may do one that needs zero. And so that'll make up for the one that needs an extra 2 hours of prep.

Okay.

We didn't really know all the products and stuff. My supplier's like, hey, use this. And we're like, we kind of got a better idea. So we tried using this one product and the floor failed.

Really?

So our third one had failed.

Just like an abject failure.

She calls my brother like, 2 days later, hey Luke, the floor's bubbling and it's like peeling off, and I'm just like sick to my stomach. Yeah, I'm like, did we just mess up? You know, what are we doing? So we know we have to redo that. We don't know what we're gonna do. Okay, was she cool about it? Yeah, she was fine because Luke's—

you stood behind it.

Yeah, Luke's the salesman. He's like, hey, we're gonna take care of you. Like, I don't know what we're gonna do, but we're gonna take care of you. Yeah, this guy calls me one morning. He's like, he's like, hey, my name is Zane, uh, I work for a local coatings company in Iowa City. He's like, I want to start my own in Quincy, Illinois.

How far away?

About 2 hours. Okay. Uh, he's like, we should just meet up and talk because he's like, clearly you understand business, which I'm like, bro, you've only seen my website. Yeah, we've only done, you know, a couple floors. You don't even know what we're talking about. Uh, so we meet up. I'm like, 6 AM, coffee shop down the street, Saturday morning, kind of test them, like, okay, what you got? Yeah. And, uh, sure enough, him and his buddy Jace, his roommate, shows up So he's getting up at 3:30 for this meeting? No, sorry. They live in Iowa City.

Okay.

Okay. But they want to start in Quincy. So that was my confusion. So I'm like, let's meet up and let's talk because I want to see what's going on. Long story short, they're like, we want to start this thing. I'm like, when are you going to move? Oh, well, we live in Iowa City. We're going to stay here. I'm like, guys, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, we're just starting this thing. You both already work for coding companies. Let's just partner in this together. So we end up partnering with them. Okay. And starting this with them.

And you're 3 jobs in.

3 jobs in. Okay. And then these guys come onto the scene and rescue us and they're like, hey, they knew what they were doing. Yes. Okay. So yeah, there's 4 of us. There's 4 partners. Okay. So I just do this basically on the side.

Yeah.

It takes me like an hour, maybe 2 a day to just— I'm kind of like the oversight, 30,000-foot guy. And then we have our 2 guys who, they have the experience. They're the ones in the field. And then Luke's the one doing all the sales and stuff.

Okay.

And we're scaling fast. So we already have a couple employees because we're going to launch a second cruise in the next few weeks.

All right. So you start this in February. How did you salvage that job? You brought the guys in. They were like, dude, you're like, yeah, no problem. Use this product. Yep. No problem.

Just grind it all up. The only way to do is grind it all up and do it again.

You say grind, is it like a big floor sander? Are you just like making the floor more porous so it attaches?

So it's a big— we have a 20-inch propane-powered grinder. So there's no— because it uses— yeah, our vacuum is like a super high-powered vacuum. Yeah, the grinder's propane, so you don't want to be drawing on the customer's—

it would need like 3-phase power.

Yeah, exactly. Okay. Um, so yep, just it's got 3 you know, discs that have 3 sets of diamonds on them and they're spinning and then the whole thing's spinning. And so you're just scuffing up the surface, making it porous so that your base coat can, can soak in.

Okay.

So sorry, that was a really roundabout way. We really started advertising in March.

Okay.

Had a few jobs. We had, uh, basically one job a week in March. And then from the start of April till now, we've been booked every day.

Every day.

And we're booked out a month now.

4 days a week?

Yes, sometimes 5. Like if, if we're really feeling, you know, hey, the weather's looking good and we can knock out this small one too on Friday or whatever, and the boys want to grind it out, then we do that. Um, but so I'd say we started in March and it was a slow month. Ever since then, like April 1st was literally just booked nonstop. Jeez. So we did $60,000 in revenue in April.

Your like first, like real—

first real month we did $60,000 and we're— we'll do $69,000 this month.

Holy cow.

So my—

what was your profit on that? On the 60—

over 50%. Wow. Because we did, we did a few like big jobs. We did a warehouse. This was funny. It was a— I told the guy in my gym, I'm like, hey, we do this referral program, you know, $200. That $200 referral turned into like a $30,000 job because we got his mom to do it, and then she's like, I also have this warehouse. It's like this 3,600 square foot warehouse.

Anyways, this is a guy you went to the gym with?

Yeah, he's in my small group too at church. But yeah, um, so it's like, yeah, that $200 cost to acquire that customer turned into like a $30,000 job. But Yeah, we've just been swamped. Okay, so people want this.

Yeah, February sales roughly 10,000, 15,000?

February was like our test month where we're just like literally figuring it out. Yeah, probably at 10, maybe 12, something like that. Okay, March was probably same thing, 15, maybe. Okay, and then February 60. Yeah, and then May's like 69, and that's, that's what I would assume for like a fully booked high profit you know, you're working every day. Yeah, that's what I expect. My numbers were like, if I can plan on $56K, if I can do 7,000 square foot at $8 square foot, that was my—

Mm-hmm.

$5,600 projection.

Yeah, sorry. Okay.

No, sorry. $56,000 for top line revenue.

Okay. So 10 jobs about. Yeah. In a month or—

Well, 10 jobs. It just depends. That's why I switched to the square— thinking about it in square footage. Okay. Because I'm like, a garage could be 500 square foot. It could be 1,200 square foot. You have No idea.

Yeah. Okay. What is your ad spend?

We're always tweaking it, so I don't have like a good answer, but right now we're spending $400 a day. Wow. Because— but we just doubled it because we're launching that second crew.

But that's getting you at like at least a job a day.

Yeah, roughly. We were doing about $200 a day, you know, get a few leads.

Yeah.

So one of them every other day, something like that. Something enough to replace the calendar.

Right, right. And then how many people live in your city, like greater area?

I don't even know. Let's look it up. Yeah, Iowa City. But then Cedar Rapids is 30 minutes away.

And you, you do a lot of jobs there.

Yeah. So we have our ads going out on a 50-mile radius.

Okay.

Because then you have, you have Davenport to the east as well. So the Quad Cities, which bleeds into Illinois.

Only 77,000 people. That's crazy.

Yeah, there's— dude, it's a weird product because people just like want it. Like if you say, hey, have you ever heard of those epoxy flake garage floors? That's what we call them. It's like our yard signs say epoxy flake garage floors.

Mm, the flake.

Yes, because that's what registers with people. Yeah, you ever seen that? Oh, my aunt has that. I love it. My neighbor just got that.

I love it.

Yeah, they don't even know what it is or like— yeah, but everybody knows that this thing exists and that they think it's cool.

Yeah, do they choose the color?

Yeah, we have like 200 colors on our website, something like that. What's like— they end up choosing— dude, there's like 2 or 3 colors that people just choose. Yeah, out of like 200, people choose Domino, which is a black, white, and gray, or Coyote, which is a black, white, and like a brown. People just love it. They're simple. So yeah, people can choose their color. You can choose the size of the flake.

Okay. How do you overcome price objections?

Um, in what way? Like, what's up?

Someone's like, oh, oh, that's too much. Like, you know, like they are interested, but they're just, they're taken aback by them. They were expecting to be $2K, $3K. How do you get them to a yes?

Um, sometimes we just don't. It's like, you're clearly looking for something that we're not. We try to, we try to be the premium experience. Like I was saying earlier, we could be the volume crew. We'll move a little bit on price, but not much because we believe that we offer a great product at a totally fair price. So honestly, we'd have to ask my brother because he's like the get over the objection sales guy. Yeah, he's— he gives me a hard time every time I try. He's like, dude, why don't you just like say this thing? That's a brilliant idea. Yeah. So in a roundabout way, we don't get around— we don't, we don't get desperate because we know somebody is going to fill the calendar spot at our price. Yeah. So don't, don't sell yourself short.

It's a good way of looking at it.

Because if you, if you go down to $6 a square foot on this job, we know we would sell it for $8 a square foot to someone else. The person is going to reach out in 2 days. Yeah. So don't—

your supply is fixed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What about— does your brother try to close jobs over the phone at all, or does he really try to do it in person?

Yeah, he really tries to do it in person. Yeah, he's— sometimes we'll like prequalify people, like, but really only if it's like an hour drive or something. So we'll be like, hey, I'm interested. You know, I live an hour away. We're like, okay, we got to make sure we're playing in the same ballpark here. Are you— the way I like to phrase is like, we charge $8 a square foot, you know, if you have 500 square foot, that's $4,000 for your job. Is that a— is that within your cost expectations, or is that a shocking number to hear? It's kind of like the way I like to phrase it. And people are usually like, that's shocking. It's like, okay, well, we just might not be the best fit for each other. Yeah. Or they're like, yeah, that's exactly what I was, you know, expecting. It's like, cool, then I'd love to come out.

Yeah. Do you offer like financing? I know sometimes you can partner with financing companies. No, you don't do that?

I mean, we accept credit cards so people can just put on a credit card.

But what about, um, is there any like ROI that they can see in the home value? Like, is there anything you can sell like that?

Honestly, I'm sure there is.

I'm not— that's just not an angle that you take because it's unproven.

It's like, yeah, I mean, honestly, the thing that we try and sell people on is like, this thing looks amazing. Yeah, like, yeah, it, it, it covers your concrete and it protects it from salt and oil and all that stuff. Like, if you spill oil on it, you literally just let it sit for 2 weeks and then take a paper towel and just wipe it up. Yeah. Um, but it's like, ultimately the reason people want it is because they think it looks cool. And so we're like, yeah, this looks amazing. Lean into that. We can make your garage look amazing.

Yeah. You know, what about, um, recession resistance? Do you— are you concerned about that at all? Like, is it— no. Is it going to be something that people cut in a recession?

Recessions to me just expose who's running a bad business and who's running one that can actually provide value. Yeah. So it's like, will this— will a recession affect some concrete coating companies?

Absolutely.

Yeah. But it's probably not because the product is flawed. It's probably because you're not charging enough. Yeah. To sustain, or, you know, right, right. You're not, you're not selling in the right way or something like that. So recession, like, is anything really right?

Well, like, an analogy I would make is anytime I talk about it, like, a market being oversaturated or fads, I always think of frozen yogurt. 2010-ish, frozen yogurt was going crazy. Big chains popping up, Menchie's and all these, up to 2015, 2016. And then it like cut in half. It was just, it was a trend. It was a fad. But guess what? There's still fro-yo places, right? And a lot of them still do great. Yep. But the ones that survived, other than like being good operators, let's just assume they were all good operators, which isn't the case. But the ones that survived were the ones with the best locations, period. End of story. Location wins when it comes to retail. So what I'm hearing from you is like it's the same principle, but the ones who surprise— who survive are actually the good operators, right? Like there will always be a need for this, but those who charge enough and who have their crap together will survive and everyone else won't.

Yeah. In recession, people still spend money. Like, oh yeah, there's so much money out there of the market.

If you're serving, if you're charging more, then you're naturally serving a higher-end clientele. And those people keep spending through recessions.

And the types of people that we sell to, they have money. Like, this is such a luxurious thing. Yeah, you don't— nobody needs their concrete coated. Yeah, nobody needs an epoxy flake garage floor. But the types of people who want it, you're like, you're probably the type of person that I want to sell to, you know what I mean?

Are these guys that have like organized garages?

Oh yeah, and it's a great excuse. Like, our best customers are always saying stuff like, this is a great excuse for me to organize my garage. You know, they're excited about the opportunity. Another, another interesting thing is one objection you might think is like, well, I don't want to move this stuff out of my garage. So we came up with this idea. Let's just charge an extra dollar a square foot and we'll move all their stuff for them. So we ended up finding some guys in our church, some college-age guys who were like, hey, if our, you know, our average job is probably like $750. So if we're getting an extra $750, let's offer these guys $500 and say all you have to do is the day before you go in, and you move their stuff, put it outside. It'll take you 30 minutes, maybe an hour. Yeah. We go in and we do the floor, and then the next morning you go in and you move it back.

So they're making $100 an hour, $200 an hour.

Yeah. Or it's like, if you just want to do it yourself, or, you know, yeah, you keep all the money.

I don't care.

Just, or you bring 3 guys, I don't care.

Yeah.

I'm offering you $500 to do this. Yeah. People are stoked about that. The interesting thing is we don't really have that many people who ask us about that. Like hardly any at all. When I think about like our best customers, none of them have said, well, moving stuff is like my biggest objection, because they're pretty organized people.

Yeah.

And they look forward to the opportunity to like organize in their garage.

Yeah.

So I think— I don't know, I just thought that was interesting. I thought that moving stuff would be a bigger hurdle than it actually is. It's seemingly like a non-factor.

So people don't really take you up on that very much?

No.

But if they do, you make $250 more profit. Yeah. And your close rate goes up.

Yeah. Like my brother threw it in, you know, hey, we'll move your stuff for free. Like Price objection. That's one thing that just came to mind is like he threw in on this job we're doing next week. The guy's like really on the fence. My brother's like, I'll throw in a pod and we'll move your stuff for you. Mm. You guys like done? Sign.

You know, because he had heard him say a comment earlier in the conversation that probably tipped him off. Yeah, that was a hesitation.

He knows what strings to pull, you know?

Yeah. Okay, so what about startup costs?

Mm-hmm. So startup costs, what do you think they are?

Oh man, also I want to talk to you about education. Don't let me forget about that, how you actually learned to do this. Okay, but $19,000 for the grinder, you said. Um, I mean, you told me what the materials cost is. What was the other equipment you said you needed?

I mean, like a super high-powered vacuum. Okay, you need your spike shoes, rollers, scrapers, all that stuff.

$22,000?

Yeah, close to $25,000. Okay, and that's like, that's including like, and that's kind of doing it right.

Like, I'm sure you could go cheaper.

For sure. That's what I was going to say is that's including $1,000 for a logo package from a, like, high-quality designer. That's, yeah, a 20-inch propane grinder. You could get away with an electric grinder that's way cheaper if you just have, like, the right generator. You can get away with, you know, you can, you can trim it down to $20 or less. Yeah, you can maybe even get close to $15.

Can you rent those grinders?

You can, yeah.

What do they cost to rent? A few hundred a day?

Yep, yep. It's like probably $1,000 a week or like $300 a day is what I think our local— we looked into it once. We were just like, yo, we need this extra power for this big job. What would it look like to rent? We ended up just buying our second grinder. But yeah, it was $300 a day or $1,000 for the week.

Yeah, because if someone's like on the fence about this, they want to like vibe code a website, throw together a website, start talking to friends and family, but they're not really sure. Theoretically, under $1,000, you could rent one, buy the equipment, prove out the model. You do one job, you make all your money back. Yep. Then you kind of just save up to buy your own grinder eventually.

Yeah, for sure.

Man, I feel like if people— if you can do this in Midland, Iowa, I mean, 77,000 people, there's like 3— there's like 30 suburbs in DFW with more people than that, right? Probably a lot of competition here too. But if you can do that in Iowa there with a couple— like, you probably have a few Facebook ads, but really, I'm sure like 1 or 2 are the ones paying all the bills for sure, right? Yep. Are we talking like vertical video in the ad? How long is the video, give or take?

23 seconds, maybe.

Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the money spot.

Yep.

50-mile radius. Is there anything— what about like your Google Business Profile? Does that bring in leads? Like, do you ask for reviews?

Are you— yeah, we do. We ask for reviews. Yeah, I think Google Business Profile, just like naturally ranking high from getting reviews is such an easy and important thing to do.

Yeah.

So yeah, we put a lot of care into that. But from what you're saying, there's a huge market for this. Like when I, when I hear your stuff and, you know, people are talking like AI, there's a lot of exciting things going on with AI. AI freaks me out because it's changing so much. And it can be so niche and like you can have a fantastic idea and a fantastic business that works now, maybe for the next year or so, not to like poopoo on AI or anything, but blue collar work is so steady and so easy to like create a—

to stand out.

Yeah. It's like, I want to emphasize it's not that hard to stand out in the blue collar world.

Yeah.

If you, the more time you spend like rubbing shoulders with all these contractors, you're like, wait a second. If I just like shower in the morning and I take my truck through the car wash and I show up on time and answer the phone. Yeah, I will have a successful business. Yeah, it's like not that hard.

Yeah. Do you like— do you have a truck or a van?

We have— so for our first one, we bought an old U-Haul.

Oh, okay.

So U-Haul sells like a box truck. You have like a box truck because they have that ramp on them because the grinder is 570 pounds.

Okay, heavy.

So you need 2 people to move that. Um, that's one of the reasons that I say you need 2 people.

Yeah.

Um, so we bought an old U-Haul box truck for $10K.

Okay.

And it's great.

You still use it?

Yep. Tons of space in there. You can, you know, screw your shelves to the wall.

You can rent that too when you start the business. For sure.

Okay. And then we just bought a Transit, uh, last week.

Okay.

Like one of those Ford—

yeah, medium roof, easier to maneuver.

And yep.

Yeah. Okay. Lock up all your stuff.

It honestly just like looks nicer too.

Yeah. So are you like gonna wrap your vehicles or anything, or like— eventually.

At the beginning I'm like let's, let's go hard at scaling this thing at the beginning. Yeah. And let's just reinvest our cash. Yeah. To start the second crew. And it's worked, and it seemingly is going to pay off.

And imagine if you wrapped it in like what Flake—

what it looks like. I know, that was my wife's idea. She's like, you should totally do that with your most popular Flake color on the van. Like, that's a great idea.

That is great. Um, do you like show up within like a company shirt?

Like just these shirts, they just say our company name, and then there's like a you know, built to last on the back or whatever. Yeah, so just, just a company t-shirt basically.

Education, like how can people actually learn how to do this?

Well, I've helped some people like start them up, like me, come talk to me, I'll gladly help you. Yeah, share, like I'm doing it right now, like I'm sharing my startup costs and stuff. Like, um, you know, talk to people that you know do it, me if you don't have anybody local. Um, and then there's just some like look it up on YouTube, people, people will post what they know on YouTube.

Um, is that how you learned how to do your first couple, just watching YouTube videos?

Yeah, pretty much. I'm also just kind of like risky like that. Let's just do it and then we'll learn from there.

Yeah.

Um, it doesn't have to— it's not going to be perfect. My brother was like super bummed at how mine turned out, and I'm like, dude, this is tuition. This is our tuition. Yeah, yeah, we didn't go to school for this. We didn't pay anything. Like, yeah, my garage looks a little goofy to you and me. Nobody knows that. Yeah, that's what we paid to learn. And now look at the things that we're doing.

Yeah, you know, how do you broadcast the flake evenly?

Just chuck it out there full.

Is there like a skill to that, or is it just like—

oh, there's a technique. You gotta fling it out. Okay. No, so they come in 40-pound boxes. You just put them in, uh, buckets, or just hold the box if you want to hold a 40-pound box. And then you squeegee on the base coat, right? And you get it uniform, and then you just literally throw the flake all over the floor.

Okay, and then do you push it around, like, even it out? No, just where it lands, it lands.

You just throw it until, until there's like a layer of flake across the whole floor. Yeah. And then the— your, your base coat just grabs onto it, just like— it's like you're covering the floor in like a really hard glue. Yeah, right. And then after that, you scrape the— well, you blow the, the flake that's just sitting on the top that didn't have any contact with the base coat, so it's just floating there, right? You just blow that to the back. You can reuse that. So You know, part of the materials cost is like, well, yeah, it cost me $2.06 for my materials, but that's not including like if somebody wants to use Domino again, we have boxes left over from just our— yeah, the top. And then you scrape it because then, you know, some of the flakes will, will land like on the side and then they'll like get stuck there. So then you have to like flatten it all out. So you have these like scrapers and then, then just put your top coat on after that.

10 hours.

Yeah.

What do you want to do more of? More garages? You just want to stick to what you know, or do you want to do more interior stuff? Commercial?

Yeah, that's another thing I want to bring up because people will wonder is, um, we don't do any of the metallic epoxies. You know what those are?

I think so.

You've probably seen like AI Facebook videos where they're just like dumping the— yeah, there's like fake, but old people just eat that up.

Yeah, they do.

Um, but that's like, that's a whole nother realm of, of concrete coatings. Yeah, we've decided to stay away from that just because that takes an artistic eye.

That's a little harder to try, like the swirls. Yes.

Okay, so that is actual epoxy.

Okay.

Similar process to where you're grinding it and then you're priming the floor and all this stuff. We've decided we don't offer that.

It's more artistry than what you do.

That's harder to train. That's harder to grab some guy and say, hey, I'll pay you $35 to— yeah, you know, if people want to get into that, they obviously can, but we've, we've decided just for business purposes to keep it simple. We love doing garages. They're easy.

It's like, yeah, they're—

they all look the same. Yeah, you've got slightly different layouts, but for the most part, you're just doing the same thing.

What do you think you'll do this year, your first year in revenue and profit?

My brother's goal is for us to do $1 million.

Wow. I mean, you're not even to the thick of like the season yet.

Exactly. Exactly. The winter will slow down, I'm sure.

Yeah.

But we're also going to incentivize once we get towards those fall months, you know, if somebody reaches out to us for an interior project, like, hey, we'll give you 10% off if you want to book in December rather than in October. So fill up as much outside stuff as you can, just, just for comfort's sake. Not, not because like you can't do it. Yeah. But with 2 crews, you know, if we're doing $60K a month right now, theoretically we're doing over $100K, $120K.

Get there.

Yeah. Um, with 2 crews, and then you multiply that by— yeah, 10 more months since we really started, it's like, yeah, we could, we could literally do $1 million this year.

Yeah, just keep scaling that.

Yeah. So then we have plans to— we're going to sit on some cash. Uh, we have plans to launch in Des Moines.

Okay.

In the spring. That's the capital of Iowa.

How far away is that?

2 hours.

Okay.

Yep.

What, um, would you suggest that other people partner with someone that is doing this already? It's a good question. It's like, I feel like you might have gotten lucky with the guys that you partnered with, because partnering with strangers for me has not gone well.

Sure.

Um, but it worked out for you.

Yeah, it did. I— we're very fortunate to have these guys literally just fall into our lap. I don't know that I would like recommend partnering somebody just because, like you said, you never know what you're gonna get. And like, we're married to these guys now, you know, like, it's in writing. And so that's risky. That's an option. I would just say get the education get as much education as you can. Maybe don't go like as fast as you can right away. Make sure that you're doing it the right way so that you don't have— because a mistake is pretty costly. Like, to redo a floor, that costs you quite a bit, both of materials wasted and then time to do it again. But if you take the time to do it right and you just treat the garage like it's your own garage, and you— again, low bar stuff— like, yeah, you just take your time on it. Um, you don't have to have years of experience. So reach out to the right people to get that experience.

Yeah, contact me. Yeah. Okay. If someone wants to go from 0 to 100 grand a month in this business, what's the playbook? How can they start with their first customer to their whatever customer?

0 to 100K a month, you say? What's the playbook?

Yeah. If you were to condense everything you've learned down into like a 3 to 5 step process.

Obviously the backbone is you have to deliver a product that people want. So you have to do a good job on the product. But after that, that's like obvious.

After that, you learn that by doing it yourself, watching YouTube videos, do it in your own garage.

Yeah.

Be willing to spend a little money to buy the material. Yep. Okay.

Yep. And then after that, it's just have some ads that work, call people right away, go get in front of them right away, be honest about your pricing. And then from there it just snowballs. Like, people like dealing with— when people have a good experience with a contractor, they talk about it.

Yeah.

And they—

because it's rare.

Yes. They, they love recommending a good contractor experience. Yeah. So I don't want it to sound too simplistic, but it's like deliver a good product and have good customer service.

But before you even learn ads, just talk to people you know. Yeah, like just don't be afraid of it. Don't be ashamed that you started a business or embarrassed. Like, for sure, be bold about it.

Like, own it. Your greatest asset will probably just be a large dose of courage. Like, I genuinely think most businesses will work if you just have a lot of courage. Yeah, you know, just go for it and don't, don't get paralysis by analysis. You're gonna, you're gonna have roadblocks. You're going to have things that trip you up and you're going to have problems that really bother you. But if you can just deal with it and move on from them, you will— you'll succeed. Like, if you want it, you'll find a way.

What about, did you learn Facebook ads yourself? Did you hire an agency? What would you recommend people do? Because it can be a nightmare if you've never logged into Meta Business Suite. It can be a nightmare, like figuring it all out.

Yeah, I'd say take some time to like learn, like what are the ads that catch your attention? So, so start paying attention first to when you're scrolling, like what gets you to stop and then make something similar to that. Have some sort of interesting video. I would say don't just do like a still picture or something like have some sort of interesting video that explains your process or whatever. And then just use AI to help you. Yeah. Like tell it everything. Hey, I'm running this concrete coatings business. Here's where I'm located. Here's who I want to reach.

What should my title be? Description?

All of our ads are copy and pasted from Claude.

Yeah.

And it's like, give me 5 headlines for this video. Yep. And it's like, pumps out great headlines.

Yeah. So you didn't hire—

It's smarter than— it's smarter than I am.

No. Yeah.

I'm like, why would we hire an agency if they're just going to do the same thing that I'm doing?

Yeah. Yeah.

They're just going to use AI to say, what's a good headline for this video in this market?

It's true.

So I'm like, what? I'm going to save thousands of dollars a month and just do that myself. It's working.

Did you have experience with Facebook ads before this?

None.

Just—

wow. Just started. And you could probably look at under the hood and be like, dude, you—

No.

You got this thing that's messed up, but it's working. Yeah. And so we're always tweaking it. And like, right before this, I was at a coffee shop. Tweaking ads and adjusting the budgets. And I literally took a screenshot of my Meta Ads Manager and I put it in the Claude and I said, what should I do? Yeah. And it's like allocate this much to this ad and then take money off this one. Like, cool. So now we're doing it and we'll see what happens. Yeah.

Man, is there anything I should have asked you but didn't? Anything interesting worth mentioning?

One thing would be, if you do start looking into this, you'll probably get a little overwhelmed with all the opinions in this space. Because there's a lot of different flavors. There's epoxy guys, there's polyurea guys, there's polyaspartic guys. What I'm saying is, is the base coat—

there's people get like very dogmatic about— yes, the materials, or—

yes. And what I'll say is, and what's interesting is it's literally only about the base coat. Like everybody's using the exact same brand of flakes, everybody's using the same type of top coat. The only difference is people will give you a hard time like, oh, you use this? How could you possibly think that's better than this? And then the other guy will say the exact opposite. Yeah. So it's like, just take a deep breath. Yeah. Pick something and then just do it. Yeah.

Don't try multiple things.

Yeah, we've tried multiple things and we might try something else again because our supplier— we have a great relationship with our supplier. They're like, hey, you should try this new product. Okay, cool. If we like it better, we'll use it. If not, we're going to use what we were using. Yeah.

So what are the materials you use again, just for people watching?

So there's, there's 3 different types of base coat you could use. You can use a polyurea. I don't even know, I don't even know what the Sure, I can't even break it down further than that. It's polyurea, epoxy, or a polyaspartic for the base coat. For your base coat.

Okay, and what do you go with?

We use a polyurea. Okay, yeah, and it's a newer product. It's frowned upon by epoxy guys because it's the faster blah blah blah, because it's better. But I'm like, guys, I'm like, guys, it's a better business decision because if we use epoxy, every job's not a 2-day job because it has to kick over longer and you can't scrape it and top coat in the same day. And the, you know There's so many opinions, but at the end of the day, I'm like, we do this because it's a better business decision. Because if we can do a job in one day and my competitor's doing it two, I'm making more money than them because I'm doing more jobs. Yeah. And it's gonna last the same amount of time. They're both pretty permanent products. Yeah. Like, I dare you to try and pull up either of those from the garage.

They're not coming up. Is there a brand you prefer?

Uh, yeah, for the polyurethane, we use a brand called Simiron.

Okay.

S-I-M-I-R-O-N.

Okay.

It's the most expensive one, but It's worth it. It's a great product.

And then what do you use for the flakes?

What brand? Everybody uses Torganol flakes. Torganol just bought Chips Unlimited, so now it's basically— okay, you're using Torganol.

Okay. And then what was the top coat again?

Uh, we, we go through our suppliers, 515, uh, Decorative Concrete Supplies in Des Moines, and they have an agreement with Lab Surface. Great.

They're like a distributor.

Yeah. So we just were like, what's your best polyspartic top coat?

And like, this one is part of it.

Okay, cool. We're using that one.

Okay, man, dude, this was awesome. Is there anything I missed? This seems pretty exhaustive to me.

Yeah, I just think like to the listeners, just try something. Just be courageous. Yeah.

Stop planning.

Stop planning and just start flying the plane and you'll build it. You'll find the parts. It's going to be okay. Yeah, it's worth it. And it's, it's just good for the soul, man. It's like, yeah, it's good for you and you'll figure it out.

Yeah. My favorite viewer is the one that will pause this video like 9 minutes in, 18 minutes in, and go start Googling and go start, and then they'll come back to it and they'll keep watching, then they'll pause it, and then they'll end up watching the whole video like 4 times, but they're interrupting themselves from planning to start doing. Like, that is what people should do when they watch this or any of these videos. Like, I love when people turn this video off to go do something about it.

Yeah, for sure.

Because we want people to take action. That's what we're talking about, like polyuria and all these, like, yeah. And other podcasts are like, just wake up early and you gotta grind. And it's like, no, like—

No, I'll tell you everything you need to know. It's right. It's not that hard, right? It's hard work. But, you know, there's only a handful of secrets and I'll share them with you. I just shared most of them with you, you know?

Yeah. I think people take comfort assuming that there's more secrets to it because that kind of protects their ego from not actually launching. Right. When they actually wrap their head around the fact that there's really no secret, you just have to go do the hard thing. Hard thing of like just doing something, then the whole world opens up. Yeah, dude. Um, man, where can we find you if we want to learn more about you, your business, consulting? Yeah, whatever.

Our website is oldcapcodings.com. Old Cap is short for the old capital of Iowa. Oh, Iowa City. So, okay, Old Cap Codings is our business. So you can just go to that website, um, email me at mike@oldcapcodings.com, and then honestly just like our forms on the website.

Okay, so Thank you, Mike.

Thank you, man.

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