How I drove my 100,000+ LinkedIn followers with maximum engagement - JobTalk with Mr. Jimmy Mistry

Hello and welcome to Job Talk with SP Jain School of Global Management. I'm Dr. Cj Meadows, your host, and we're broadcasting from the networking department at SP Jain's Singapore campus. This is your chance to ask questions about your jobs, work, careers, life, mission, and how to get a whole lot of LinkedIn followers and network appropriately. So if you have any sort of work-related question or problem, doesn't— on any topic, doesn't have to be today's theme, Just send an email to jobtalk@sbjane.org and our secret moderator will pass it to us. We'll either help you solve your problem or at least help you laugh and know you're not alone. Now, usually we start off with a fun fact, a have you heard, but I'm going to switch it over today to a did you know notable news. Me. This is very relevant for our discussion. 4 news items for you here from James Storr's article, How Many LinkedIn Connections Should I Have? 2021 Updated, a LinkedIn Pulse article. It says your connection— how active you are, how driven you are, and how connected you are with a given community. So it's an important thing to have some connections. Now, 70 to 80% of positions are filled through networking rather than job site advertising. This is very important for you job seekers. That means if you don't have a large network, you're much less likely to have these opportunities present themselves to you. Final section of factoids here. 54% of people on LinkedIn have less than 500 connections. 27% have between 500 and 1,000. 12% have between 1,000 and 2,000. 3% have between 2,000 and 3,000. So what does that mean? I actually did the math. So 4% are more than 3,000, which is me, you, and going all the way through the most connected LinkedIner, Bill Gates, with over 30 million. So thank you so much, Jimmy Mistry, for being with us today. Um, you've all seen the bio, you've all seen the intro to Jimmy, so I'm not going to go over that again. And our theme for today is LinkedIn Connections: How I Drove My 100,000+ LinkedIn Followers with Maximum Engagement. And we're going to get way beyond, way beyond networking into how to support business people very well with places like Della Leaders Club, The world's first business platform. Okay, Jimmy, thank you for joining us today. How did you do it? How did you get 100,000 LinkedIn connections?

Thank you for having me on your show, and thank you for the opportunity. Let me begin by saying, I think most dreams, if you do not run behind them in a right way, don't get it cheap. So 100,000 or a million is again a similar thing. If you go about having a target set up for yourself and work towards it. For me, it happened by default because during the COVID lockdown, I think at that point in time, my LinkedIn connects were, I'm not too sure, but I think around 4,000 or 5,000 connects across, predominantly across India. So 2 and a half, 2 years back when we began with DLC, that's the turning point. I understood the power of the network. I understood the power of connect. And very often I explain when people ask, what is DLC? My one-line answer to them in a witty manner is DLC is a LinkedIn on steroids. So we started approaching people across the world on my LinkedIn account. Because of the number of thousands of followers, it was easy for a person to revert back. And it was easy for me to start a communication just like you reached out to you across in Singapore and said, this is what we are doing, this is our plans, this is who I am. And we see an opportunity to solve a problem that exists but has not been addressed by any other organization and institution so far, which is creating a platform for the world of entrepreneurs, professionals, and young leaders. And connecting it globally. So once you begin itself, you, you start off on a global level, and that's the problem we try to solve. How do you connect entrepreneurs sitting in Singapore, uh, to somebody in New Jersey, to somebody in London, to somebody in Hong Kong, Mumbai, Calcutta, across the world? How do you give them a first-degree connect? And that connect cannot be frivolous, but it has to be a validated, verified connect, which is more than a social media.. And that's where we are not a social platform as DLC, but we are a community that we set up of like-minded entrepreneurs, professionals, and young leaders. How this all began, approaching people, it was a sheer number game. The number of requests that we would send manually in a day, we got two warnings from LinkedIn to stop doing it. We would reach out, reach out to about 100, 110 people at peak. And then there was a team of people sitting behind nonstop identifying, profiling people across the world between the 26 committees and then reaching out to them, waiting for them to accept the connections, and then engaging with them, and then constantly keeping the engagement on. Whilst the social media posts that were being put up were genuine, it was a true story, a true narration. None of my posts are somebody else's picked up post and brushed up and forwarded. People are quite smart. They know how to read between the lines. They know the difference between a true story to a cooked-up story. And I think that's what establishes an emotional connect. So over to you, Cj Meadows. This is exactly how we do it.

So, so you mentioned having a team behind you and your LinkedIn followership was was just a natural follow-on from founding Della Leaders Club. Now, in the title that you suggested, you're using words like you're driving followership and engagement. What kind of engagement and driving are you talking about?

So in most cases, people on social media try to kind of create content that doesn't happen in their lives on a daily basis. Philosophical, business, management. In our case, we generate so much of content every single day of my life. So if I were to just kind of do a time-lapse of the number of meetings in a day in the office, we usually are anything around 13 to 14 hours a day in the office. The number of meetings itself and the best meeting is content enough, good enough to be uploaded. I'm a little moody, so we don't do our posts on a daily basis. I have these phases up and down like all people do. And there is somebody who actually helps me with all my posts. Her name is Shilpi Singh. She's a director in DLC. And she's been instrumental. So I think a lot of the credit should go to her for the 100,000 number being crossed. Because she's the one who's hounding me and after me, should I do this post? Can you give me a voice recording? You don't have the time. 'Can you send me a WhatsApp voice and I'll type it down for you?' So that's the kind of team behind. But we are quite true and honest and unfiltered. Whatever content we put out there, whatever post we put out there is actually what's happening within the office. So the post that got more than a million views was the one about on what basis do I take interviews and stuff like that. And how democratic we are in our ways of thinking, people really resonate with the truth behind. That's what works really well.

So you've got a group of people, you've got a team backing you up, but what about the ordinary schmo on LinkedIn? What advice would you give them for building network?

Well, they need to reach out to domain experts. So if they are in technology, they need to reach out to domain experts across in technology. If they are, let's say they are passionate about automobiles, they can reach out to domain experts in automobiles. The mistake that people do, they kind of generalize it and reach out to people in other domains just for the heck of reaching out. And that's what doesn't allow you to create meaningful conversations and meaningful connections.. So for me, it's very critical. If somebody's following design and reaches out to me, I quickly understand that yes, the person is interested in design. But if somebody is, somebody is interested in watches and reaches out to me, I know it's a frivolous connect. Or if somebody is purely trying to do network sales and reaches out to me, I know it's a frivolous connect. And hence engaging becomes absolutely out of the question. But if somebody were to ask me a design question, or somebody were to ask me a how to create a global community question, or share something that they like about me, or even for that matter, turn around and criticize something they didn't like what I said. I'm quite open and honest to kind of engage into conversations if I can and I have the time with people. So my advice to people is remain true to your domain area. So you are in— if you're in human resource, But remain true to your domain area. First, capture your domain area and see what the offshoots of the domain areas are. Can we— if you're talking of neuromarketing, can we talk of neuro-HR, right? You engage into conversations that are meaningful with knowledge, and then either forward a post or reforward a post or learn from somebody and share your experience. And whilst all of this is happening, of course there is a personal angle to any kind of social media content generation. And people want to know you. So I would love to know Cj Meadows. And so before I meet you in Singapore, I would love to know more about you, right? The similar way you would love to know a little more about us. And this is the kind of conversations and interactions which will excite people, enthuse people. One thing I've realized, people do not like frivolous networking. And if they connect to you, then they are the ones who are also interested in frivolous networking. So then there's a whole different genre of people who are only looking to increase numbers, increase their network, but it's not meaningful. I would rather have a smaller network but more meaningful than a larger network which has no meaning, no sense, right? After all, the number of followers or the number of people you follow is only a number. It should have some meaning to it. That's why my advice is very simple. Rather than running behind the number, run behind quality, run behind something that you can gain, something that you can share, something that you're proud to have as your connect. Work on it. It's difficult to get connects. I'm lucky, but it's difficult to get connects, the kind of connects that are there on our network, right? If it's a Dean of Cornell or an ex-Dean of Cornell, it's an amazing connect, right? There is so much of excitement to learn from him. Understand what he does, what makes him so special, why is he being selected by Oxford to be their dean now in July. So I have developed relationships which has started and initiated from LinkedIn, and now we are one-on-one friends with people across, sharing WhatsApps, meeting somebody half the way across the world in New York, or somebody traveling from New York to Mumbai and catching up with me. So that's, that's the kind of meaningful relationships we've managed to develop. I just returned back from London yesterday and meeting people whom you reached out once upon a time on LinkedIn and now sitting and having a conversation with them in person in London is amazing.

That's wonderful. So, so it's one thing to connect, but don't just chase numbers, get quality connections. The next step, it sounds like, is engagement. Exchange ideas, reach out to try and help people, etc. What about solid business opportunities, jobs, joint ventures, any kind of business opportunity? You know, does that really come through a social media network?

Cj Meadows, it all depends. Anything good and bad is up to you how you put it to use. Uh, social, social network is only a channel and a medium, right? How I developed my relationship with Cj Meadows or how we developed our relationship across with somebody who's worked in White House and so on and so forth, somebody who leads SelectUSA and so on and so forth. These are giant— these are not humans, these are giant institutions in their own rights. How you kind of establish and put those connections to use is up to you. So if I was searching for a job, if ever, chances are bleak. I am an entrepreneur and I don't see myself working for somebody ever. I've never done it in my life. But, and I'm a first-generation entrepreneur, even when I had to, I would never— I've never selected a job. However, if you have meaningful conversations and if you have solid connects, people who respect you, you reach out to them in all honesty and say, look, dude, I'm losing my job, or I need a new break, and these are my areas of interest, could you help me? You'll be surprised, Cj Meadows, people in the world are ready to help you. All you need to do is knock on the door. Most people do not knock on the door. That's the door to opportunity, and most people have two capable hands, but they refuse to knock on the door. So the advice is go out there, knock on the door, make it meaningful, be honest, uh, do not need to be acting larger than life. Be who you are. And people at the other end are very smart to sniff out truth and reality from something that's been buttered up or something that's not you. So I, like I said earlier, I try and stay away from people who are just interested in frivolous networking. That's not me. It doesn't fascinate me. But if somebody were to reach out to me in trouble, I would love to help if I could. And that's me. As many people as I can help, I would love to help. And when you reach out to somebody, knock on the door. Opportunity is a bird, it's going to fly off if you don't utilize it. And it doesn't keep coming back again and again. So the door is in front of you, looking for a job, looking for a partnership, looking for equity, looking for funding. Just go out there and knock on the door. The chances are There are people out there who love to help. There are people out there who have their heart in the right places. There are empathetic people out there, but then there are also some very smart people out there who can filter out cheese spread and bullshit and understand the difference, right?

So be true to yourself.

Don't lose that opportunity.

Well, and one of the things that I love about LinkedIn and a variety of social media platforms is the people who put themselves out there are doing it because they want to network and they want to be contacted. They are contactable. They are advertising themselves. So when you knock on that door saying, you know, I would like to do an expert interview, I would like to pick your brain on, on some topic, um, that's a great— it's a great place to go. Speaking of which, um, electronic electronic communication and social media and so forth, it's time for a fun fact, a have you heard from the Totally Awesome Book of Crazy Stories by Bill O'Neill. Bill Clinton was the first US president to send an email, and he did so to an astronaut in space. Interestingly, he only sent one other email during his term in office. Now, that brings something to mind. Okay, so Bill Clinton's day was not sucked up into advertising himself and his ideas and social media, everything. How do you balance the actual content of what you do as an entrepreneur with basically advertising what you do and connecting with everybody? What's the, what's the split of your day between these things?

Cj Meadows, everything is a product and a commodity, including you as a person and a brand. So Cj Meadows is a product and JB Industries is a product. At the end of the day, we are all humans, uh, we are all entrepreneurs in our own rights, and we are here to sell something, a product or a service. We are either willing to give it away for free to somebody because we've got an empathetic nature and we love helping other humans or you're here to do actual business transactions. So everything is a product, everything needs marketing. Even religions require marketing, right? Be it Hinduism, Christianity, Jews, every religion has marketed themselves. And most religions at the helm of affairs have their own PR teams and have their own marketing department, so to speak. But when it comes to mere mortals, individual humans, how do they build their brand, how do they take their brand seriously, and how much amount of time do they dedicate across on the virtual world, uh, vis-à-vis the real world, between the day job to the future marketing brand that you're trying to create for yourself. Uh, in my case, I use, uh, about, I think around 4 years back, 4-5 years now, I have drastically reduced my email time I am completely on WhatsApp. My email is handled purely by my office. I never open an email, even on my mobile. I don't open an email unless and until I've been told this particular email needs to be seen by you. That's me. So I reduce spending that 1 or 2 hours of my critical time a day from emails to WhatsApp. I have assistants, I admit. Who go through my whatever number of emails that hit my inbox every day between my different companies and tell me what is important. They even paste it on my WhatsApp and send it to me. But I refuse to invest my time on email.

Now hang on, unlike Bill Clinton, I have a feeling that you got a lot more email activity, emails coming and going. How many emails do you get every day and how many LinkedIn messages do you get every day?

The number of messages again depend on what activity is going on in my life right now. It's related to a lot of events. LinkedIn would be over 100 messages a day on a minimum side. But when it comes to emails between the different companies, we do a lot of physical events with DLC and each time a physical event is done or a single email is shot out to 2,400 honorary members of DLC and say, look, dude, 'Get into a forum.' And there are a couple of hundreds of responses. So the number of mails are physically non-manageable by one human being, and you require a battery of people to handle it. And then I've got different businesses. We are into manufacturing. We are into hospitality. We run, own, and operate 6 different resorts. We are also into counter-terrorism training, adventure sports, and we have a little bit of real estate, second homes. So between the different companies, my email boxes have been divided. Uh, DLC of course takes the majority chunk because DLC is a community across. Uh, so like I said, I would advise people to day by day utilize one mean of communication and the rest, if they can delegate, it's fantastic if they can afford to. If they can't, then consciously reduce time communicating there. It's senseless communicating on WhatsApp, email, every version, social media, everywhere. So try and reduce and get it down to one point.

And go for quality, right?

Absolutely. Utilize a single channel than dissipating your energy on multiple channels together. And many often it's the same WhatsApp, which is the same BCC mail, which is the same CC mail. I mean, I don't even know why people read CC mails. The very fact of it is not being marked.

I'm going to share a secret with you, and I probably shouldn't say this, but you know, there's this wonderful feature on Microsoft Office Outlook whereby if something comes to your inbox, it'll go to your inbox. You can program it so that all the CC'd mails go to a CC'd folder. I have found that about 1 to 2% of those emails are anything I should even read or have in my inbox. So that goes last, you know, and I have particular filters that I search for and then boop, here's 50 of them gone. Whoop, there's 75 of those gone. Now you just said something super interesting. So you've got hotels and resorts, and you've got the Della Leaders Club platform for helping leaders connect. You've got properties, and I'm sorry, counter-terrorism training. Yes. What's the common thread in, in your entrepreneurial ventures, or is there one?

Uh, Cj Meadows, the common thread is design. I'm not a designer by qualification, I'm a designer by practice. All my businesses have been tied up with design. We've gone into one, from one to the other, other to the third. I started off with importing Italian furniture, then manufacturing furniture in India, then doing turnkey office interiors, and then architecture, then townships and master planning. So everything has been to do with the world of design. In fact, one of the reasons why DLC has been able to establish its global network and community so soon, within a period of less than 2 years, I would owe it to my design career, meeting, meeting, designing for hundreds of organizations and people across. Also, I would owe it to IDEO Design. Very early on in life, in 2000, I think about 5, 4 or 5, I did a workshop with IDEO Design It happened by chance. It was a 3-day workshop that was about design processes. And later on, the word design thinking was coined by IDEO. That time it was not even design thinking. But it made me realize that there is a method to the madness. There is something that you do which is methodic, which is empathetic, which is always trying to better things for other humans. And when you think like that, no matter which business you are in, everything goes the line. And people love what you do because you, you have— you think of them first. In any business or industry or product that you design, develop, or service that you render, when you think of others first, your product speaks for itself.

So that's—

and there is honesty attached with it. There is also rapid prototyping attached with it. So when I did my hotel I had no idea of hospitality industry. We did a small 30-room resort and I realized what is missing. So we had a lot of luxury hotels and palace hotels and business hotels. There was nothing like a tented resort. Yes, there were tents in India, but they were very colonial kind of tents and that's the only kind of tents that were present in the country in terms of hospitality. So I said there isn't a single contemporary tent and I'm a I'm a big, big, big fan of Philip Starck. Philip is like God to me in the world of design. Philip Starck's contemporary designs is what motivated me to create this 30-room resort. And it's been 12 years. It's still the most sought-after resort. It's— the resort's occupancy is outstanding compared to all my other 5 resorts, 6 resorts. So what I'm trying to say is, when you design something, when you create something, which is non-existent. When you create something that thinks about others before you, it thinks about other people and their emotions before profits, automatically that product sells. DLC is one such example. Or else, how do you explain people like me and you getting connected? Because then, you know, the values are same, our beliefs are same, and that's the common thread. We want to help other people no matter what profession you are in or I am in. There's a commonality between us. We want to reach out to people, we want to be true, honest, upfront, we want to respect our brands and other people's brands.

And create value. I mean, I teach design thinking and entrepreneurship. I am, I'm also an entrepreneur, and people, people are surprised when I say things like, no, we need to solve other people's problems. You create a great deal of value for, for a lot of people. You keep some of that, but you leave it, you leave the rest of the value for them. That's what entrepreneurs do. They don't go out and steal money from people. They create value and keep some. And, and, and this sounds a little bit like your tagline for DLC: success with significance. Can you say more about the importance of turning lives of success into lives of significance in relation to your work at the DLC and your social entrepreneurship?

Cj, if you take a small sample study of about 100 successful individuals and study them up close and personal, you'll realize that not even more than 2-3% of them are living significant lives. That's a very important statement, and I believe in it. I have experienced it. There is no way to measure significance. That's a challenge.

You have to define it yourself. So you can't measure it. Nobody else can measure it. Yes.

Let me tell you, my definition of significance is very simple. What a common man or a woman can understand. It's not your balance sheet. It's not your net worth statement. It's not the number of houses and cars you own, but the number of human lives you've touched positively. That's the true measure of significance, because you can't be leading a significant life unless and until you've touched, impacted other people's lives for the better in your own way. In your— it can be any way, by doing service, by supporting, by manually doing things for people, by doing anything, any act of kindness that you've done. But can you measure it? How many people? Because then that becomes a true measure of significance. That's one direct way. There is also an alternate way. So if you've not done it for humans, God gives you one more opportunity. What have you done for planet Earth? In what manner have you served and healed planet Earth? What endeavors, what acts of yours have you done to kind of heal planet Earth in the best possible way that you can. So either impact human life positively or serve Mother Nature and planet Earth and do whatever you can in your own little way. Because these are, to me, two methods of measuring true significance. Beyond this, everything is kind of a whole lot of gobbledygook packaged together in the name of prayers and religion and community and blah blah blah blah blah. But, uh, true measure of success is, uh, no religion teaches you not to support other humans, uh, no, no, no community or no country in the world in its constitution can say not to support other humans. So, uh, it's, it's all there, all of us know about it, but, uh, this most significant people in the— on, on planet Earth should be the people, men and women of eminence who touch other people's lives.

Absolutely. And that brings us back to networking, connecting. That's— it's about connectedness, but it's about the impact that you make on them as well. We've got a couple of, of people who have contacted us. Rajesh Ingle has said commendable and sustained efforts. Shiva Priya has asked, how can young professionals build engagement with their network on LinkedIn. She's followed that up with how can LinkedIn connections convert into followers?

The problem is everybody is running behind followers, just the number, um, or everybody, everybody across. And, and that's— they slightly need to— I'm not saying followers are not important, they are important. They are a kind of a measure of the engagement you do and the kind of people who like your work, like your life, like your personal life, lifestyle. But it all begins with focusing, getting a very pinpointed focus onto your core competency, your area of specialization, your area of interest, your area of helping other humans. That is what is important and required. Once you start doing it, Excuse me. You start building a community around it, uh, and, and, and then more and more and more gets added to it. You need to be clear and focused.

And it sounds a little bit like that— what you're saying is that the— your number of followers, if you've got a lot of them, that, that shows you that you've been successful at gathering a network. But what's the significance? What's the the engagement? Have you touched anyone's life really? Have you made somebody smile? Have you given them an inspiration to do something or a new idea? It's the significance. You've got to pay attention to both.

Absolutely. Most critical. And when you're engaging, it's also the truth and honesty that prevails. Most people have a complete different personality online from the truth. Starting from their pictures, the way they put— that's my belief. You meet people and you realize that they do have a different version of themselves. Let's call it the digital avatar that they try and create online from what physically they are.

Yeah.

I don't think that's required, okay? Everybody likes to look good, more prettier, more younger. It's fine. But there is nothing— no shame in being who you are. There is no shame in sharing your views and your point of view very clearly, as far as you do not hurt other people's emotions. You may have a point of view, but you need to respect other people and their emotions as well, rather than being nasty to them and then trolling them and all kinds of shit. I think utilize your time more constructively on social media. Because make it meaningful. Otherwise, at the end of the day, let's say, let's say tomorrow is the last day of our lives. How does social media matter to you? Suddenly the whole equation is different. It has no value. Why don't you treat each day of your life as the last day of your life and then still use social media for the betterment? Because now you will not need filters to make yourself look more better. You will not need to put fake messages. You will not need to resonate with people's political theories. You will be true, straight, upfront, and honest. That's who you should be. And mindful of not hurting other people, having your opinions, but, uh, you should know where to draw a filter, where to draw a line, uh, because you're not there in person. Uh, least you do is to hurt other people's feelings. That's something that you should not be using social media for.

But, but, you know, everybody looks so great on social media. And, you know, one of the, one of the real dangers that I've talked to my teenagers about is, look, don't compare your insides with somebody else's outsides. So how do you, how do you have the courage to be yourself and flub up sometimes? And I say stupid stuff sometimes, but everybody else on I'm thinking looks so perfect.

Cj Meadows, go back to your youngsters and tell them exactly what I told you. Let them evaluate, shut their eyes for 60 seconds and say, okay, tonight's the last night of their lives. How would the social media matter to them now? And if they were to put a post, what kind of post would they put up between now and the last hour of their lives? Then they know how to utilize social media because the kind of posts that they'll put, let them write it down because then that makes them realize that, oh, but I'm not putting any of this right now. So I'm leading a complete fake life on the digital avatar of mine rather than leading the life that I would have loved to lead, right? So let them write down 3 posts before midnight, 12 o'clock today that they would put up if they were not to survive beyond 12. And they will themselves realize. Let them take a piece of paper and write it down. Because then they'll— and what kind of pictures would they want to put up? They might put up a most ugly picture of their childhood, right? Because that's one of the most beautiful fond memories with their parent or their friend. Or they won't care if the makeup was right, if the hair was right, if the lighting was right.

Her front two teeth missing, you know, when you're 7 or 8. No problem.

If you can tell the teenagers to do this exercise, there'll be a rude wake-up call. And next day onwards, their posts will be more meaningful, more balanced, more fun, because now they don't care. They put up what they like, what they believe, what they enjoy. Just put up a caveat, ask them not to hurt other people, because the purpose of life is not to hurt other humans. Whether you agree with them or disagree. You may politely agree to disagree. I too have very strong opinions about certain things and certain people and certain nationalities, but you still love them. You agree to disagree because midnight, 12 o'clock tomorrow, nothing matters who's which nationality.

Absolutely. But you've got to let the authentic you through, and only then are you really going to dig deep and, and get substance out there. Real content, real engagement. And at the end of the day, that's got to be something that everybody wants. Believe it or not, it's time for a puzzler. Last week, our puzzler was, how can you drop a whole uncooked egg onto a cement floor without breaking it? Dinanth Bantwal, I'm sorry, I've just butchered your name. Let me try it again. Dinanth Bantwal has given us the right answer. Well, you can't break a cement floor with a raw egg, can you? So our puzzlers are intended to help people think creatively, think on your feet, and we've got a new one for you this week. We change Jimmy's dates and times so often, I thought I'd give you this one. How can you add 2 to 11 and get 1? Just send your answer to this week's challenge to jobtalk@sbjane.org. We have time enough for some closing remarks by Jimmy about success, significance, and connecting. Well, I thought I'd put you on the spot, you know. Oh yes, Jimmy's going to tell us something brilliant in less than 2 minutes.

I would, I would love for one, I would love for you to invite your people to jallaleaders.com. Uh, please visit the portal. There's some amazing content put out there by people who have reached out to help And also what's critical is to understand the concept of 26 committees. Why am I so insistent on domain-specific knowledge? Why am I so insistent on giving equal importance to business and lifestyle? And how important is a significant life? How important it is for you to understand the very basic meaning of significant life from a very early age. The sooner you understand, the better. How important it is for us to save planet Earth. We stop it from damage, but that's not good enough. We heal it in the best possible manner that we can. It all begins with us. It's never about other people. It's very easy to say the government should do this and society should do this and community should do this and companies and organizations should do this. But you need to ask the question to yourself, Write it on a piece of paper. What is it that you are going to do to touch other human lives positively? And what is it that you're going to do to save and heal planet Earth? Those are my closing remarks. I hope you guys enjoyed the session as much as I've enjoyed delivering it across to you. Cj Meadows, thank you for having me over in your show. I loved and enjoyed speaking with you.

It's been a joy to speak with you. And we've got some wonderful comments coming up on the screen. Samyajit Ghosh, all the best in creating more success, significance, and connecting. And that's— those are beautiful words of wisdom. Ah, Shiva Priyaganti. Jimmy Mystery, thanks for the insightful tips to focus on social impact and quality of content for building engagement. It's not just a numbers game. Well, You have— it has happened again. You've squandered another perfectly good hour, actually 45 minutes, listening to Job Talk. Thank you to our esteemed guest, Jimmy Mistry, and we'll see you next week.

Thank you, Cj Meadows.

Bye-bye. Thank you.