Andrew Tate: Why Him, And Why Now?
20 Oct 2022 · 1 min
A podcast conversation (Connor Beaton interviewing/hosting Andrew Tate) examining why Andrew Tate became prominent and why his message resonates now. Tate asserts that elite powers keep men disenfranchised through divisive social policies and cultural domestication; Beaton contextualizes these claims, noting declining male social indicators (education, sexual activity, living arrangements) and framing Tate’s appeal as offering men a clear enemy and a warrior-style identity.
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That's what the people in charge of the world are afraid of. So to make sure there's no revolution, what they do is they construct as many divisions amongst the peasants as possible. They make sure the blacks hate the whites, the men hate the women, the Republicans hate the Democrats, and we're all so busy fighting with each other, they can laugh from the top because there's not very many of them and there's a bunch of us. I'm telling you, the reason in countries like America, the reason the law is so destructive against men is very, very purposeful. They don't want you to feel like a king. They don't want you to feel powerful.
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You wake up amongst three, if you have fucking 10 sons from 10 baby mamas, you're going to wake up and feel like the man. You ain't taking shit easy.
All right? So, you know, first and foremost, I don't know about you, but if I woke up and I had 10 kids and three baby mamas, I don't know exactly that I would. I would feel like the man. Having 10 kids sounds like a lot. I have. I have one child, and that's. That's a tremendous amount. But besides that, I think what's really interesting about this, this clip so far, is just the hierarchy of what's being created, right? So you hear Andrew Tate, I think one of the reasons why he's become so popular, whether you love him, whether you hate him, whether you think that he's, you know, the bane of existence, is that he's playing to this notion that legislation, politics, big government, you know, big institutions, don't want men who are empowered, don't want men who. Who are sovereign, don't want men who are living a good life, right? Because if you really listen to what he's talking about, a lot of the times he's. He's selling a certain lifestyle, right? He's preaching a certain lifestyle, but he's also selling a certain lifestyle. So it's very on brand for him. Again, good, bad, ugly, et cetera. I'm not here to comment on who Andrew Tate is and whether I like him or not. I don't actually care about that. I think that's less relevant than asking the question, why Andrew Tate and why right now? Why is he so polite, popular, prominent, and what is it that he's saying that is resonating with so many men? And here I think he's getting into something that's very much felt within masculine culture, right? Testosterone rates are dropping. Less men are going to school than ever before. Less men in their 20s are having sex than ever before, right? Something like 27% of men in their 20s aren't sexually active or, or have been with a partner. More men are living at home in their 20s than with another person. And so you have this sort of shift, shift within male culture where it's very clear that there's sort of this over domestication of men. Whether that's self imposed, whether that's a byproduct of society, whether that is legitimately that the powers that be, you know, are putting legislation into. Weaken men in some way, whether the, you know, the rise of feminine, like, you know, wherever you stand on the spectrum of what is causing this struggle within masculine culture. Because I think we can all see that, right? I think for the most part, you know, New York Times to Fox News to, you know, it doesn't matter if it's a media outlet on the left or the right. Most people are acknowledging, like men are struggling, there's some shit going on with men and what is happening. And so what Andrew Tate is really, I think, saying, in some ways, which I would agree with the content of what he's saying, not necessarily the delivery mechanism of what he's saying, but I think in many ways it's a reminder that most, not most, but many men, countless men feel beaten down by the system. They feel disenfranchised. And I think we have this very rampant culture of domestication. You go to work, you sit down, you sit there, you never lift weights, you never do hard things, you never have to engage with shit that's. That's challenging. Most of the stress that you experience as a man within our modern culture is something that, know, it's like the taxes that you have to pay and the legislation and the worry about, like, you know, being in a. In a sexless marriage, which is true, right? Something like one in four marriages within the first two years will become sexless. One in four. So a lot of men find themselves in this, in a situation where their life, their relationship, their work, it doesn't look the way that they want it to or hope that it would. And so they not only feel disenfranchised, but they feel wildly domesticated and domesticated in the sense that they're not in their own power as a man. They're not connected to their own masculine core. They're not doing something meaningful, they're not contributing to something that matters to them. They're not out in nature experiencing their own wildness or the wildness of life. And so I think what's appealing on an undercurrent, on an unconscious psychological level, he's doing it in a way that's really aggressive. And it's. And it's very warrior based, right? It's like the warrior archetype. It's like there's us and there's them and there's very few of them, but they have a lot of control and a lot of power, and they want to suppress you. They want to keep you down. And so it gives men an enemy, right? It gives men an enemy, and it gives men a battle that they can feel like they're engaged in. And I think because a lot of men feel like the battle that they're fighting in their lives is hopeless and is meaningless, it gives them a battle perceptually that feels meaningful, that feels like there's an actual target versus, you know, if you haven't had sex with your wife in a year or two and you can't seem to figure that out or engage it, it feels like a hopeless battle that you can't seem to win. And so it redirects some of that, you know, warrior energy towards this sort of. This sort of battle. So let's, let's keep watching and see what else he has to say. Again, I'm not interested in whether or not you think Andrew Tate is a good guy or a bad guy. I mean, if you want to comment on that, that's. That's fine. That's. That's your prerogative. I'm not here to comment on whether or not I like him or dislike him, whether I think he's an asshole or a good guy, whether I think he's good for men or bad for men. I'm simply here asking the question, why him and why now? And what is it that's happening within male culture that is allowing for a figure like this to blow up? And what is it that's happening within our culture at large that's allowing a figure like this to become so prominent? So let's, let's keep watching.
If you wake up on your third year of a sexless marriage, paying taxes and your kids don't even listen to you, you don't really feel like rebellion. You don't have it inside of you. This is why there's so much male suicide. This is why men are so depressed. This is why everyone's so unhappy. Because the life they try and create for men, the things they try and purport, the ideas they try and make us subscribe to are depressing. They want you as a tax slave.
So again, here, notice it's, it's, it's they, right, this sort of notion of like they want that. Well, who, who's they? Right, the powers that be. Big government, big tech. You know, the, this sort of cabal that is creating this for men. I mean, I think the reality is that we have to acknowledge is that we as men have also contributed to creating this, right? We as men have done this. We have allowed our lives to become these very overly domesticated forms of exist where we're not pursuing meaningful things, where we're not pursuing things that matter to us, we're not contributing to things that are important to us. So I think one of the things that gets missed in this commentary is the fact that a lot of the infrastructure that has been built has been built by us as men. And maybe it's us as men, maybe it's the men who are wanting to control and wanting to, I mean, you can go down that rabbit hole. But we also have to look at our part in the creation of the systems and the structures that we inhabit. And we also have to look at our part as individual men in the systems and the structures of our own lives. You know, he's like, he's talking about entering into the sexless marriage and having kids that don't like you and that don't even listen to you and you know, working a job that you hate. And it's like that's a double edged sword. That's not just simply a result of a system that, that is anti men or that's trying to hold down men. That is also often a result of a man who has made choices in his life that have led him there. Now the system, I'm sure has contributed to it. But we can't exclude the fact that there are men who don't want to work, who don't want to work hard, who don't want to face hardship, who don't want to deal with the pain of their life, who don't want to have uncomfortable conversations with their wife about sex, who don't want to leave that marriage and that safety and that security. And so I think we, you know, we also have to have a conversation about the reality that we as individual men have created and have contributed to that domestication of ourselves. You know, it's not like we haven't had a part in that and a role in that. And I think that that's an important part of this conversation as well. Again, I'm talking about the context versus the delivery mechanism of how he delivers some of this. Because some of the way that he delivers this, I think, is really abrasive. And it speaks to, you know, the. Why he's become so popular. The truth is, we live in an attention economy. That is the truth. The most valuable resource, the most valuable asset that we have now in existence is attention. And so a byproduct of that, an offshoot of that, unfortunately, is that we also live in this sort of outrage culture. And so in order to gain attention, what you have to do is be outrageous, is say outrageous things. Things, even if there's merit and truth in it, even if there's validity to what you're saying. He's talking about male suicide. He's talking about male depression. Those are all real things that a lot of men are dealing with and struggling with. And it's true, right? Three, something like three out of four suicides are going to be men. The highest, the most, the leading cause of death for men under 45 in the UK as an example, is suicide, Right? So it's a problem. It's a real big thing. But I don't think it's as simple as big government or big organizations, large corporations are trying to suppress and repress men because they don't want men to be strong and happy. I don't think it's that simple. You know, I think there's other factors, like the fact that 32% of boys in America are going to grow up in a home without their biological father present. So that's a lot of young boys who are growing up in a household where they don't have an active male role model. They don't know what it looks like to have a male figure or male presence in their life actively. And then sometimes even if they do, they might be growing up with a father or a stepfather or a male figure who is completely domesticated, who's completely disconnected from his own masculine core, his own masculinity, his own essence. And he'll be. He'll have grown up in a relationship with an example of a man who doesn't have that kind of fire. And maybe that boy feels it in him. And so I think a lot of the reason why somebody like Andrew Tate has become so popular is because 1. Culturally, we live in a culture of outrage, right? It gets. It gets attention immediately. And if there's an undercurrent of truth in it, that wild stuff will. Will propagate really, really quickly. Because all of a sudden, people who hear it Think, yeah, I feel that way. Yeah, I've gone through that. I've been screwed over by divorce courts. I've struggled with depression because I have low testosterone and I feel less motivated. I've struggled with finding a decent job that I can enjoy and find a place in culture and in society where I feel like I actually matter, where I'm contributing something that makes it better. Difference. So I think that there's many factors to this, but the key, the sort of secret ingredient that it seems to happen. And again, I don't necessarily agree with this, but I think one of the reasons why he's prominent within our modern culture and social media is that he realizes and plays to the fact that we propagate outrageous commentary that often house some deep and meaningful truth that a lot of people are feeling. And that seems to be the way, right? You see somebody like Jordan Peterson, while he's created a lot of outrage and a lot of controversy around who he is and what he says and what he believes, but he also has a very deep following that love him and that have benefited because of his work, because of his speech, because of what he's said. And so you have to look at somebody like that and like Andrew Tate and say, well, what's going on here? And so the reality is that you might not like this individual. You might not like how he's saying things. You might not even like what he's saying. You might think that carte blanche, just across the board, he's just terrible and bad for men and bad for society and bad for culture. But there's clearly something that he is saying that feels really important. And I think why he's been able to do what. What he's done is because of outrage culture. And why he's able to do it now is because he's talking about things that men are going through and feeling almost globally, but more so within Western cultures, right? A lot of men are struggling, and we know that because if you just look, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, everybody in mainstream media is talking about how men are struggling, right? And it's kind of a common consensus, but there's this moving target of why men are struggling or what we should specifically do about it. So along comes a hyper, overly confident figure like Andrew Tate and says, well, here's the problem and here's my solution, right? You need to fight, you need to build, you need to work. You need to realize that the systems that you're a part of, the don't want the best for you. And so he's sort of saying, hey, guys, here's the solution as I see it. And maybe you don't believe the problem that he's putting forward or the solution that he's putting forward, but apparently a lot of people do, right? So, again, I would love to hear your thoughts. Why do you think that a figure like Andrew Tate has become so prominent and so popular within our modern culture right now? And why do you feel like it's happening right now at this moment within the current conversation and the current social and socioeconomic environment that we're living in within Western culture? So comment. I would love to hear your thoughts, because I'm going to be talking about more of this stuff in the upcoming weeks. Let me know what you think I missed or should add into the conversation. And as always, until next week, this is Connor Beaton signing off.