“Marques Ogden: NFL to Million-Dollar Comeback”

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What's up, my good people? Welcome to the CJ Moneyway Show, powered by Believe Network, where we uncover the minds behind the mission and bringing you stories behind the success brick by brick. Today's guest has faced the extreme life and lived to inspire others through it. From protecting quarterbacks in the NFL to losing a multi-million dollar construction business, Marcus Ogden hit rock bottom working as a janitor, but that story wasn't the end. Now he's a 5-time bestselling author, award-winning speaker, and host of one of the top podcasts in the world, Get Authentic with Marcus Ogden. He's here to talk about his failures, redemption, and building the comeback and purpose with authenticity. Marcus, welcome to the CJ Moneyway Show, man. Appreciate you coming on today.

CJ, let's have me on, big dog. You doing all right today?

Yeah, man, I'm good, man. I'm good, man. They would like to come cut the grass as I'm kind of talking about. So, Marcus, man, let me ask you, man, from NFL to entrepreneur, what inspired your transition from pro athlete to business owner?

So, you know, CJ, our dad who worked in the finance industry always had us focusing on life after sports. Like, even when we were like growing up, like my brother started playing football in the 7th grade. I started as a freshman in high school. Our dad played football at what I call the Mecca, Howard University. And for us being around him, being raised by a single dad, We learned a lot about finance, money management, life after sports, how to do the things that we need to do off the field. So when I got out of football, I'm not gonna lie, for about 6 months, I struggled immensely with addiction, painkillers, nightlife, going out, gambling, women, all these things. And it took me a while, but then once I got myself grounded, and I stopped feeling sorry for myself that football was no longer in my life, right, CJ? I then got into construction and I built a company called Kayden Premier Enterprises. We started out as a small concrete contractor working in downtown Baltimore, doing sidewalks, concrete. Then when my mentor went out of business in the area of earthwork, we ended up getting into earthwork and it became the largest African American-owned subcontractor, right, CJ, in the state of Maryland, Baltimore City, Virginia, DC area. We were almost a $25 million a year company. But unfortunately, as the company grew, so did my ego, and I ended up losing that company, right, CJ, and all that I owned in 2013. To answer your question, our father who raised us always has to think about life beyond the sport.

Yeah, because you know, you hear it all the time, man. People, you know, especially professional athletes, make all this money in NFL, but then when they get done, when they retire, you know, they go broke and they go bankrupt and things like that because they don't have the financial fortitude. Like a lot of us come from the inner cities or whatever, we never wouldn't talk things like that. But I think it's pretty cool, like you say, man, your father took the reins, man, and showed you and your brother how to make it because there's life after this. You know what I'm saying? So that was a lesson learned.

Oh my God. Yes, man. Here's the thing, right? I still went bankrupt, even with the father teaching, my father teaching me all the great things, even with my finance degree from the Mecca, Howard University. And what happened to me happens to a lot of people, including athletes. We get so attached to our business. We look at the business as a person or a baby that we have to take care of and nurture and bring up. It needs to be looked at like that, but also it needs to be looked at for what it is, an entity, a piece of paper, an object. I got too emotional and too attached to the business. And because of that, I started spending a lot of money. And instead of saying, you know what, hold up, I put too much money into this project, into this company, I need to stop, cut my losses, take what I have left, rebuild and restart. I dumped everything into the business. I gambled, finished what I needed to finish. But then when my client and the developer and the owner of the project said, "Great job, Marcus, we're not gonna pay your change order back," that's when everything started to spiral. Downhill. So even with our father teaching me about money management, finance, getting a degree in finance from Howard University, because of my ego and that emotional attachment, right, CJ, I went bankrupt as well, man.

And I get it too, man. You know, one thing I've been, you know, with the guests that I've been having on lately, you know, about finances, generational wealth and things of that nature. People say, always say that you got to know in the business when to pivot. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you got to pivot and turn this thing around, like, you know what, I gotta move from this. Like you just said, like, you dumped all this money, but, but maybe I should have pivoted at this time, but I kept moving forward, you know, seeing what I see. But, uh, we learn, man. But you know what I admire about you, man, is that, you know, you built something, it came down, but you went back, man, and you started over again, and you reinvented yourself. And look at you now, man. Kudos to you, bro. So let me ask you, Marcus, man, what were the signs early on that trouble was ahead in your construction business?

That's a great question, CJ. What I know now happened is that instead of being a humble, appreciative, very grateful individual that had a company that was thriving, I became an individual that was all about himself and all about what I wanted and money and fame, and I call that external motivating factors. But the number one thing, CJ, the number one thing I want people that listen to this awesome podcast, CJ Money Week, to get in business, if you're thriving and you're doing well, and people that helped you to get there, the people that helped you to become who you are, if they start talking to you and you're not listening, and you're not actively trying to listen to understand them, then you're in big trouble. Because if you think they don't know you're not listening, you're wrong. And once they feel you're not listening to them, they're going to stop talking to you. And what happened is, right, CJ, I just stopped listening to my trusted people, to my trusted team, to my closest employees. I was wasting payroll. And one of my company employees, one of my best people, right, CJ, tried to warn me. He said, Marcus, we're dumping too much money into this project, into that laboratory, to the hole. If we don't stop, we're gonna be bankrupt. And I told him, I said, Colin, what are you talking about? We're golden. We got this line of credit. We're doing the work. We're doing this. Don't worry about it. Let me handle that. It was a Friday afternoon. Go home, enjoy your weekend. See you on Monday. He came in on Monday, he handed me his 2-week resignation papers. He said, Marcus, you're not listening to me. I'm going to anchor a competitor out of DC to work for them. 2 weeks later, he was gone. And about 3 months later, just like he predicted, the company went bankrupt. We shut our doors and I was in financial ruin. But to answer your question in a recap, if you're not listening to your trusted people, you are doomed.

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I like that, man. And what I like most too is that, like you say, like your podcast, being authentic, get authentic, you know what I'm saying? And that you taking accountability of what happened. You know, a lot of people, we want to place the blame somewhere else, but being accountable for, you know, saying what you saw and what you look back and see now, what was your mistakes, you know what I'm saying? That can inspire and help others too, man, to look, you know, saying down a different path. So I thank you for sharing that, man. So let me ask you, Marcus, man. The Collapse and the Comeback. What was the hardest part about losing everything?

When you lose everything and you have nobody to call on, when there's no phone to ring to somebody to pick up, when people see you call and they just say delete, or they say, yo, don't answer, or send you to voicemail, or whatever, or people block you, whatever. You realize at that moment you are completely on your own. And what I had to really get a grasp of, right, CJ? All those people from that love me, I was playing in college, in the NFL, all those people that loved me when I had a multimillion-dollar business, all those employees I would give advances to, money to, take out to the club in limos and buy the bar out, all this stuff that I did, right? None of them wanted to even know me, after they even heard of me. Nobody knew or even cared if I lived or died. And that was the hardest part. And what I had to realize was, I was going to have to hit rock bottom. I didn't know that at the time. I was still looking for someone to come and save me. Because on December 23rd, 2012, That's when the bank called me, CJ, and they told me, we've been meeting for 5 hours, Marcus, we've made a decision. We're shutting Kaden down. Kaden is no more. We're shutting down your line of credit, your equipment line, your credit cards, and come January 1st, 2013, we're coming after everything you own. Merry Christmas. And I moved to Raleigh with $4 to my name, Nobody to help me. The NFL, thank God, helped me through the Gene Upshaw Trust Fund. They made it so I did not go homeless, but I still was broke. And they paid my creditors, no money came to me, and I had to work, get a job at Merrill Lynch. I was fired from that job after, what, you know, 2 months. Went to a construction company the next day after that, was fired from that job. 5 days later. So I was fired 2 times in the same week. And the only job I could get, right, CJ, was a custodian working in downtown Raleigh. And that's when I had to have that moment of the rock bottom. And when rock bottom happened, when my spoiled milk, nasty garbage got all over me, that was the whole beginning of me saying, yep, I have to turn this thing around.

Let me ask you, Marcus, man, because you made me think of, you know, I don't know where you are biblically in life, but I was thinking about when you said that, you know, you did this for people, you took people out, and, you know, you was, you was the star, you know, everybody wanted to hang with you, limousines going out to parties and things of that nature. And I know Joseph, when they say that he saw his brothers, you know, when they came to the palace and And they thought that he was going to do something to them because all the things that they had did to him. But, you know, he had a love for them where he wasn't going to retaliate. So I guess my question is to you, like, all those who disregarded you after all these things, how are your relationships with some of them now?

Some of those people I still don't talk to because they didn't have the— they couldn't humble themselves to call me and like, you know, say, hey man, I'm sorry, or I'm sorry I turned my back on you. Anybody that called me or was there for me was still the best of friends. One of my good friends, Corey Smith, never turned on me and helped me through those challenging times. And we're best of friends. I had some friends in college that thought that, you know, we had these little issues and dichotomies, and then they came back around, and now we're awesome, best of friends, right? And so a lot of times things were me because I was in embarrassed and all that. But some people just were so hard on me that when I reached out to which I was so embarrassed, not for help. I never asked anybody to help me. This is called money wang. I never asked anybody for a dime. That includes my brother. Nobody, no family, no friends. I would call people just for support. But people thought I was calling them to beg and/or to borrow money, which was not the case. And as a result of that, that's why I had people cut me off. They thought one thing when it wasn't that way. But I understand, and that's what it is, and that's life. But if anybody today has reached out to me or connected with me or supports me back on my social or supports me posting something about my podcast.

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Podcast, remember, right, CJ? I'm all about, hey, let's go ahead and bury the hatchet. Let's go ahead and get back on even ground. Let's move forward, because, man, life is way too short, man, for sure.

And thank God for friends like, uh, Corey Smith, man. You know, we all need somebody to lean on, you know, in trying times and in uplifting times. So let me ask you, Marcus, man, can you describe the moment you knew you were going to rebuild again?

That's a great question too. So the minute that I had my rock bottom spoiled milk moment, my trash, funky, nasty, maggot-filled meat got all over me. And after I cleaned myself up and sat down on the curb and cried for 10 minutes, I realized at that moment that that was what I needed to get my life back on track. I needed rock bottom in order to show myself how strong I really was to get myself out of that hole. And that's what I did. And once I saw I could do that, I began my journey as a speaker. And for 2 and a half years, not one not one. And I tell my clients all the time, if you want to be successful or fulfilled in a journey or something that you want to do for yourself, you better figure out what value do you bring to people. I tell people all the time, you need to give far more value than you take in payment. And I did not do that at the beginning of my career. I was about pay me, pay me, pay me. No value. Then for me, right, CJ, in 2016, got my first paid job. 2017, got my second paid job for the Buffalo Bills. I came in and talked to their rookies for 3 years in a row. Guys like Trudeaus White I know, Josh Allen, Dion Dawkins, Ann Oliver, great guys. And then in 2018, I met Mel Robbins, was on her audiobook Kick-Ass with Mel. And her book helped me to see how to be inspirational, not motivational. And then the following month was, would have been March of 2018, went to the NAPSA program, National Athletic Professional Success Academy. And between Mel Robbins and NAPSA, I learned the business and I had to learn more and tweak and pivot all this stuff, right? You gotta pivot and grow, right? And in the last, what is that, 7 years, We've spoken for over 80 Fortune 500 companies. And we are 5-time bestselling author. We have a very successful podcast. I do business coaching, corporate consulting, brand ambassador. We own parts of businesses that align with our values. But I knew once I hit rock bottom, once I knew, right, CJ, the culprit was Marcus Ogden, his ego. That's when things got better.

Man, that's a success story in itself, man. You know, stories behind success, building brick by brick, hitting rock bottom, man. Now, as the accomplishments, as you said, 5-time bestselling author, speaking at major events, man, speaking to pro elite athletes, man. That's what it takes, man. That's all about life. And sometimes we have to go through some things to get to where we need to be. You know, you got to go through that dungeon, them dungeon-type experiences, man, wilderness type experiences where you by yourself, but it bring you out on the other side, man, and make you clean. So, uh, let me ask you, Marcus, man, Get Authentic, you talked about the podcast and it is a very successful podcast, man. Hopefully one day I can get somewhere near that level, man. But, uh, why did you start Get Authentic, man, with Marcus Ogden, man?

So I started Get Authentic with Marcus Ogden because I want people to understand that authenticity is the superpower. Being real, being authentic, being vulnerable, not trying to always come across perfect, not trying to always come across as somebody that has all the answers. Not trying to be somebody that comes across as it has it all together all the time. So many people on social media want to make it seem that it's all perfect and it's this and it's golden and life is great. And life is great. Life is beautiful. Life is awesome. But life's not perfect. It's not going to always be linear. It's not going to always be straight line. And I tell people, we have this podcast to help people understand that just because you have a struggle or hardship or a difficulty doesn't mean that you can't be great. Doesn't mean that you can't still get where you want to go. But again, we have real, raw, authentic conversations with people from all different backgrounds and all different walks of life. Athletes, business owners, business leaders, speakers, celebrities, actresses, musicians, you name it. And people love it because it's not a podcast about just, you know, leadership or just about always having to have, you know, things right or determination, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with those podcasts. That's great. But people need a sense of understanding that when life knocks them down, that other people they can listen to who've also been knocked down, it gives people inspiration and hope, right? See that they can get their life back on track. And that's what we aim for. And that's why we're averaging about 200,000 downloads per month and climbing on the awesome platform, Bleeve, just like you are, because people really just want a podcast that's full of real, raw conversations.

And you know, man, two things on that, Marcus, man, I say this, and I, you know, I'm not ashamed to say, I'm glad to be able to be on the same platform that you on, for one, Believe, which is a great network. And shout out to my man Cam Rogers. And another thing too, man, you know, just like you were saying, I'm glad to be associated my name with yours, man, because I feel the same way that you do as far as my podcast. People say, well, CJ, what's your niche? I really don't, you know what I'm saying, have a niche because it's so broad, you know what I'm saying? I bring so many different people on. I got doctors, CEOs, you know, like you say, musicians and things of that nature, artists. And so my main focus is stories behind the success, just like what you were just saying, you know, being authentic. Like, people can see you today where you are now, 5-time bestselling author, top-rated podcast. If they didn't know who you were, they would see the success that you are now. But what's the story behind the success? How did you get there? How did you make it? You know what I'm saying? Like, what did you have to overcome, the trials and tribulations? Those are the things that I like to aim at in my podcast as well, man. So with you saying that, it makes me believe that I'm on the right track. My brother.

Oh no, you definitely are because your theme, right, is how people have been able to achieve success, you know, their money way or their ability to create wealth or some sort of life for themselves. That's your theme. And that's perfect because people who are real and are going to be authentic on your interviews are going to say, hey, this is how I did it. But again, a along the way, I struggled, I had hardships, I had failures. And that's why people want to come on your show. Because it's not just about the success of money. It's about what were the pitfalls as well. Like me, you say, oh my God, you got— you know, you've been through a divorce and you were in an apartment you had, and I struggle and I had suicidal thoughts. This is like 2 and a half years ago. That's 100% true. And I've gone through in November December, the first half of January 2023. So November 2022, December 2022, first half of January 2023, CJ, it was a battle just to get out of bed. I got divorced, never saw it coming. I moved into a crappy, broken-down, really crummy, disgusting apartment. I was going out all the time. I was I was drinking all the time. I was on all these dating apps, all this stuff. I was totally broken. I was totally lost. I was literally leaving that house every single night almost just to escape the reality. And finally, in January 2020, the second half, I told myself enough's enough. I worked my butt off. I got myself focused. I got myself realigned.. And then I bought my dream home in May of 2023. I bought a 3,100-square-foot home by myself in an amazing neighborhood about 7 months after leaving my marital home to go into an apartment because I had to get out of my marital home after my divorce. So again, but that's the authenticity, that's the realness, that's the rawness. Am I— and now I'm in a better place. I have a better, healthy environment. Strong input, great associations, but it took me a while to get here. So if you're struggling with money, this is a great podcast to listen to because you can learn strategy, people how they've done well with money, but also you can learn their struggles, their pitfalls. Our podcast, Get Authentic, if you're trying to find ways of being more real and stop wearing a mask and stop trying to be everything to everybody and be who you are to yourself. Our podcast is for you. So yes, CJ, you have a theme with money and success. The great thing is not just about the high side of it, the low side of it as well.

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Yeah, the path less traveled, man. Let me ask you, Marcus, man, what's one surprising thing you've learned from any one of your guests, man?

I'll say this. I've learned from all of my guests that every one of them has had some sort of struggle along the way. Every one of them has had to overcome, fight, battle, and continue to battle and fight and overcome. Their inner critic. And ladies and gentlemen, we call that tapping into your subconscious mindset, which can break down, according to my great friend Tom McCarthy, 40 million bits of information in a matter of seconds. We need to get to our subconscious mindset to achieve greatness. But unfortunately, a lot of us don't. Because a lot of us succumb to that inner critic. And every guest I've interviewed, that's from David Archuleta, who was on American Idol, who lost to Kelly Clarkson, who's a phenomenal singer, to, you know, Sebastian Bach, formerly singer of Skid Row, to, you know, Travis Payne, who was Michael Jackson's choreographer, to business leaders, executives, all these people I've interviewed, right? Amazing people. Every one of them has had to battle and overcome their inner critic to get where they are today. So again, if you're listening and you're struggling, that's okay. Just remember this: never ever quit. As long as you never quit, you can always win in the game of life.

Each day is new mercy, man, and that's real talk right there. Let me ask you, Marcus, man, Tools for transformation as we talking about never quit, you know, you can always, you know, make it better if you keep on moving. From your book, The Success Cycle, what's one practical strategy someone can use right now today?

Number one is ambition. Clearly identify what is your purpose. I talk about ambition, drive, hard work. Ambition is knowing what you want to do and setting yourself up for success. And that's identifying your purpose or finding your why. If you don't find your why, if you don't have your purpose, good God, oh my, or is it good googly moogly, your life will not be what you want it to be. You cannot go through life without a purpose. So again, ladies and gentlemen, this is huge. In that regard. Learn how to do this and life will get so much better for you for the long haul.

Mm. So with that being said, what do people misunderstand about transformation and success?

A lot of people don't understand that it takes time to turn into something better for yourself and that success is not overnight. Success is a culmination of discipline and drive and fortitude. It's about doing the things that you know you hate, that you know that you need to do to get what you want in life. And that's discipline. So transformation and success happen when discipline crushes motivation.

I like that, man. And you know, you said something and I always say this too. A lot of times when you in places that you don't want to be, you know, I hate this job, I hate this. What I've learned is that in a lot of them places, man, you learning something about yourself, or you gaining a skill set that's gonna take you, that you're gonna need to go to the next level. But we kick against the prick so much and don't want to do this and that, sometimes we miss the whole picture, man, and bury our talents in the earth. And then we wonder why, you know, say our life ain't what, you know, say what we want it to be. That's because we missing some elements, or we're trying to skip some things, you know what I'm saying, and get to the next level. So Marcus, man, I really appreciate you, man, coming on. I only got like 2 more questions for you. But I do have this CJ's Quick Fire Round, aka the Moneyway Five, man. I'm gonna ask you 5 questions, man. You just tell me the first thing that comes to your mind. And don't be afraid, man. I know you're a big guy. You've been out there blocking these big old linemen, man, 200-pound linemen like JJ Watt there back in the day, or Brian Urlacher, or my man Ray Lewis, man.

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Want to give him some condolences, man. Just heard something about his family, one of his family members the other day. So yeah, man, let me ask Speaking legacy and purpose, what message do you always want your audience to walk away with?

I do the eye of the storm, how to move like a bison.

What would you say to someone who's at their lowest point right now?

You can always rise with discipline and with fortitude.

Mm. Let me ask you this, man. What's your go-to hype song before a big speech?

Ooh, Thunderstruck by AC/DC.

Best book you read in the last year?

Mm, ooh, that's a good one. I would say the best book that I've read in the last year, it's been a couple of really good ones. I would say Choose Your Enemies Wisely by Patrick Bet-David.

I like that, Choose Your Enemies Wisely. Let me ask you one more, man. NFL lesson that still apply to your life today?

Best thing I ever heard from my good friend Marco Coleman, who was a defensive end in the NFL for 16 years. Marcus, we come on this football field, you have talent, you have skill, have confidence. If we as defensive linemen ever think for one moment that you're scared or that you don't believe you belong out here, you're a dead man walking. And that was the best advice I ever got in the NFL. And I got that as a 22-year-old rookie right before my first training camp. And Marco Coleman, I tell him every time I talk to him, his words helped me to have a 6-year career instead of fading out because I really started to doubt myself, which you can really do at any time as an NFL rookie when you're just scared against all those big-time veterans.

Mm. And the game moved much faster than that, what you call it, the mecca Howard University.

Yeah, that's almost faster than any college football field you can step your foot on. Anyone, no matter who it is, where it's at.

So, so Marcus, man, let me ask you, man, as we end this, man, give us one last nugget, man, that you would like to share with us, man. Something that's on your heart, man, that you like to share with the audience.

One of my favorite quotes by Bruce Lee: Never tell your mind negative thoughts in a joking manner. Your body cannot dissimulate the difference. Words cast spells. That's why it's called spelling. Choose wisely how you talk about yourself. Bruce Lee. Be your own biggest and best cheerleader. Never ever talk bad about yourself. Because if you do, then why would others talk good about you?

I like that, man. Think highly of yourself, man. As a man thinketh, so is he. I like that, bro. Hey Marcus, man, you just didn't survive failures, but you turned it into fuel. From the NFL to janitorial work to bestselling book and global stages, Marcus proved that being authentic and having humility and resilience are the real key to real success. Want more? Follow Marcus and subscribe to his podcast, Get Authentic with Marquise Ogden, streaming everywhere now. Thanks for tuning in to the CJ Moneyway Show, where we turn pain into power and stories into strategies. Until the next time, this your boy CJ Moneyway with my man Marcus Ogden. We outta here. Peace.

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