Get Real: Being Vulnerable About Fears And Insecurities

You know that imposter syndrome, right? Fake it till you make it. I've always felt it. Always felt that. Because I always felt that every time I met somebody, no matter what stage, and this actually goes even to recent, no matter what stage we were in, I'm always meeting someone that knows so much more than me. And I'm just like, what am I? I'm just a joker here. I don't even know half of what these people know. And we're hanging out with these people. Hey, Flip and Danny here. Welcome to another exciting episode of the Freedom Show. And today we get to interview each other.

Yes, we're actually here in Santa Monica, California, and we wanted to record just a quick video to let you know we like to keep it real all the time. And so in this episode, we're actually interviewing each other and asking each other some pretty tough questions. So we hope you enjoy the show. Foreign.

You'Re tuned into the Freedom Show. We are in the studio today having a conversation well with each other, and we're really excited to share that with you, today's guest as well. Us.

Boom. Hello, everybody. We're excited to be here. Today. We're doing something a little bit different. So every now and then we're going to do some guests. Every now and then, it's just going to be Flip and I, and today we are going to Get Real.

That's right.

And we say those two words a lot. We have a book that's published that's called Get Real, Understand Real Estate Investing Before It's Too Late. And that Get Real theme kind of took wings for us.

Boy, it sure did, didn't it?

Yeah, it's very interesting because our marketing team, Matthew, he's the one that came up with it, and it was really before he even knew us. He just thought that that would just be a great title after he. He was, you know, researching us and he proposed that title and we fell in love with it. And the more and more we talk about getting real, the more we realize that it is perfect for who we are.

Right.

Authenticity means everything to us. And always just being real and being down to earth and, you know, just saying it like it is transparent, that's just who we are at our core. And so, no, now we're starting to talk about it more. On the podcast, we have Get Real segments, and sometimes when we do a finishing video for these podcasts, we talk about, hey, let's get real for a second and talk about something that maybe the guest had mentioned on the show. So we thought for our next solo episode where it was just Flip and I, that we would do a get Real interview where I interview you and you interview me. And we just asked some questions that people don't really talk about a lot.

Right. And don't get all too excited. You know, these aren't juicy questions.

It's not that kind of get Real interview. This really has to do with being entrepreneurs, being real estate investors, what that journey looks like, because the journey isn't easy. And a lot of people will talk about successes, maybe not their failures. And so we're always really adamant about making sure that we show where we've screwed up, where we've had rocky roads, because we want people to be encouraged, that they can do it, too. So today I built a list of questions that literally show. I showed Flip, like, an hour ago. And we decided as we reviewed them that we're just going to go back and forth. So instead of maybe spending 20 minutes of him interviewing me and then me interviewing him, we're just going to ask each question and. And we're both going to answer it.

Right.

For you guys.

And this way I can just say what you said.

Stop it.

What? Well, it's true. It's true. You send me the list of questions and your answers, and I went, well, that's what I was going to say.

You're going to have to, like, change it up here and there. You steal all my answers.

I'll change a word or two.

All right, so are you asking the.

First question I can. Yeah, absolutely. Are we ready to go?

We don't have anything else to do.

Awesome. All right, so question number one. A survey of nine people. No, just kidding. So what are you afraid of?

So I wrote this question. I'm just gonna say it. Failure. Yeah. I think. Gosh, I think everybody's afraid of failure. And nobody says it right, but I think that's my number one fear. Like, I can't think of anything else at all that I could say is my a fear of mine. Like, that I kept on asking myself over and over and over, so what are you afraid of? Failure. Like, failure. Failure. And we fail every single day. So it's funny that I'm saying failure. So I think that the real answer is ultimate failure. The. The failure where you just don't get up again. Like. Like you are just decimated for whatever reason, and you completely fail, and there is no hope to get back up. I am afraid of that. And. And what's funny is, you know how sometimes when you. You And I have things, and we start talking about them, and then you realize something because you started talking about it out loud.

Right.

I literally, just as we're recording this podcast, said, I'm not really afraid of failure because I fail all the time. Like, I fail every single day. Something. Something goes wrong, I just get back up, do it again. But I just said I'm. I'm afraid of failing to the point where I'm completely decimated.

Yep.

And I just went, what? When the heck would that ever happen? Like, that's just not real.

I believe we have some fail safes.

Along the way now, so it's just funny that. Yeah, I'm. I'm done. I. I just. It's funny because sometimes when you talk it out, you realize you shouldn't be so freaking scared of something because the reality of something like that happening just isn't right. Possible. So. Okay, your turn. What are you afraid of?

Wait, that's the same question.

Stop it.

Well, actually it's. It's because, you know, you said failure, and I thought that would be the. That's my same answer. But it's not really it. But it is. So, you know, I was the baby of the family. I am still am the baby. I will always be the baby of the family.

Your mom's not having anymore.

Well, no, no. And. And Even though I'm 58 years old and she still calls me the baby. Yeah. And, you know, when we went into real estate, my family was just like, yeah, whatever, you know, they're going to do something different. You know, they're not going to succeed. You know, I don't think they ever said that. I don't think they ever said that we would never succeed. I think they just expected us to be doing something different, you know, and, well, that'll. That's. They'll change something. They'll do something else.

Yeah.

You know, in fact, I remember, you know, after, gosh, it was probably like four or five years later, we're still doing real estate. And they're like, oh, you're still doing that? You know, it was like a shock to them. You know, so what am I afraid of? We've built this and we. We said, we're doing real estate, and we went in and we burned the boats. You know, we're not going back. And, you know, what I'm afraid of is, is not being successful. Not. Not continuing to move forward every day. You know, I don't. I mean, we. We still. We take step. Like you said, we fail every day. We take, we take steps back, but in the grand scheme of things, we're always moving forward. And so it's, it's the fear of. Because I feel like I will let down my family, you know, I'll let down you, you know, and that, that's what I'm always afraid of, is I'm letting everyone else down.

That's a good one. Letting everybody down.

It took me, took me about five minutes to get to that answer, but I got to it. Yeah.

Yeah, you did. You did. What's. I want to ask you something. So are you for sure that your family didn't think you were going to succeed or didn't think you were going to be in real estate? Was that your mind?

Oh, that's just my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were probably supporting me 1 million percent and they probably still are. I just in the back of my head, because I'm the baby and I'm the one. I'm the screw up, you know? Yeah, whatever. So it's. Of course that's in my head. Thanks, Dr. Danny.

We're on a Get Real episode.

Right. All right, so next question.

Okay, my turn to ask first. Okay. What are you most ashamed of?

So did I just read the answer?

Those are my answers.

Yeah, I think. Well, because you. I know what you're gonna say, but I'm going to say that first word because. And I'll just say it differently. I am most ashamed of not knowing my limits.

Oh.

You know, because, you know, it's. We were musicians, right. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah. And as musicians, we got paid for whatever we played. And. But we weren't in control of when we played. You know, we can go out there and find a job, whatever. But we weren't in control of that. And so, you know, that's kind of weird. But then, then we went to the art auctions. But on. As the art auctioneers on a cruise ship, well, you get paid for as much as you work. And so if you work your butt off, you're going to get paid more because you're working your butt off. And so that mentality was still in my mind. Well, still is to this day, that If I work 10 hours a day, that I'm going to get rewards because of that. So I've always had that in my head. And this is what I'm ashamed of is until recently, I've always had that mindset of if I work a million hours a week, then I'm going to get paid a million dollars. So I would just do everything and anything to make sure I was always working. And if I wasn't working, I felt guilty that I wasn't working and I couldn't do. Like I always told you, I had trouble going to the golf course because I'd be on hole number two going, oh, what about that property? I should have been. What if that person calls me? And I should be doing that? And it's really hard to play golf when your mind is always on work. It's hard to play golf when just in the first place, but. And so I think that's what I'm most ashamed of, is that it took me so long to realize that the work smart, you know, not hard.

Yeah. Yeah. That's really, really good. That's insightful.

Okay, beat that one.

What's funny is that we're going to tie into that a little bit. I don't. I don't want to tie into it right now because it's. It's a. It's another question coming up. So we won't tie in.

Oh, whoops, Sorry.

No, no, no, no, no. You did great. Because it really. It's going to come together full circle in a few questions. Okay. Is it my turn to answer that one?

Yes. So question number two. What are you most ashamed of?

All right, so you rephrased it. So I'm just going to put the word that I put on there and how I let Burnout get the best of me, and I think it was not knowing our limits, because I think. I don't think I know that. People in our masterminds were constantly going, danny, you're going to kill yourself. You're going too fast. You're crazy. Like. And sometimes they'd say it in a more flattering way. Oh, my gosh, Danny, you're doing so much. I can't believe that you go, like, how do you do it all? Like, they'd literally jump on the phone with me going, how are you doing all of this stuff? And I literally describe it as, I, I, I build a snowball, and I, like, I. I will put balls in other people's court to force me to keep on going. And so the snowball just kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I couldn't let. When people threw it back to me, I couldn't let them down. And so I had to get it done. And it just kept on rolling, and pretty soon it just. I feel like I've got this imagery now in my head of this ball going down on down, downhill, and it just went against this brick wall when we took our do not disturb and it was when we hired the CEO and, like, you know, I cannot do it anymore. I am. I am at my limit. I, like, was getting upset. I was getting angry. I was. You know, at night, I'd just be crying about stupid stuff. That was just ridiculous, now that I look back at it. But at the time, it felt like the world was, you know, coming. Yeah. Crashing down on me. Anger, frustration, resentment, like, all of those crazy, like, emotions going through. And I didn't treat some team members as well as I should have because I was getting so frustrated. I wasn't being the leader or the manager that I should have because I was just so burnt out and frustrated. And I was like, you know, why. Why can't you guys just, you know, do what you're supposed to do? Like, I'm dying over here. I can't do your job, too. And so I think that's what I'm most ashamed of, is allowing myself to get to that point because there was warning signs everywhere, and I just didn't slow the heck down. Shame on me. But.

But you've learned.

I've learned a lesson. It was a hard one. So. Yeah. And by the way, I also wanted to say that we're in our get real close.

Yeah. You know, this isn't the most flashiest. And for those of you that aren't watching on YouTube or whatever video channel, I'm wearing the most outrageous shirt in the world. And for those of you watching, I do apologize that this one's pretty. Pretty bland, but I had to find a fun shirt for this one.

You did?

Yeah. It's not even Friday. I very rarely ever do this, so.

But we had to. When he said he was going to get changed for the episode, and I was like, I'm wearing my T shirt. This is a Get Real episode. So I wear a T shirt and shorts every day. Usually I would typically have a baseball cap on, but we had a lunch with somebody, and I decided I wasn't going to wear a baseball cap today. So otherwise, I would have had the whole.

Wow, you dressed up.

Anyways. Okay, question number three.

I'm asking first. Okay, so what. Question number three.

Oh, my gosh.

What are your insecurities as an entrepreneur and real estate investor? You know, I'm not going to stop that. Come on. I love doing this.

Okay, so this is a great question, and I really did think about this a lot. And I've worked with coaches over the. You know, over the last year, I really started working with coaches that was working on just me, not just business, because I used to hire coaches and. And join masterminds to work on the business. And I realized at some point, especially because of the burnout, I realized I was like, hey, it's actually time to work on me. Because I am the one that's, like, failing being the best person I can be, the best leader I can be, the best manager I can be. And so I thought, you know, let's give the business a break. Let's hire a coach to actually work on me as a leader and as a person. I said, so that was really impactful for me. And out of that relationship and out of the new coach that I'm working with now, there's some phrases that I've learned that I say to myself, and it turns out that they are my insecurities. And so I'll say things like, I'm not smart enough. I don't know what I'm doing. And I especially do that when I'm in rooms with people that I highly respect. So, you know, we're in the power room, right? So we're sitting around tables with Eddie, Andrew, Daniel, and these are, like, millionaires. I think Dan's close to being a billionaire at this point.

I think. I think all three of them are.

But it's crazy. And you get. You sit around. Around a table with people like that, and you start going, like, do I even deserve to be in this room? Like, I'm not that smart. And like, I don't really know what I'm doing. I just get up every day and keep trying or keep surrounding myself with people who are in a place higher than I am so that I can ask them questions and say, hey, I'm stuck right now. How do I do this? How do I do that? I get around. I just keep surrounding myself with those types of people. But it doesn't mean that I don't sit in rooms like that and just be like, what am I doing here? This is crazy. And so I learned that I constantly tell myself those things, and they're not true. Again, going back to the what? I had this realization on the first question on this very podcast that, you know, why are you even afraid of that? Because it's just not reality. Like, there's people that, you know, want 10 minutes with me just to ask me a few questions, because I bet they're sitting in their seat going, I'm not smart enough. I don't know what I'm doing. I need ten minutes with Danny. Right. It's perspective. It's all freaking perspective. So I would say that's my probably top two insecurities that I've said to myself over and over and over over the years. And so back to you, Flip. What are your insecurities as an entrepreneur and real estate investor?

So I. I took the three minutes that I had to read these questions and think about the answer for this one. And so, you know, like I said, we were musicians. And. And for a good. I would say a good percentage of the years that I was a musician, I was at the top of my. Not the top, But I was top 1% ish of performers and in the circle of people that I was with. And. And I was always a leader in everything I did. I was, you know, a band leader, musical director, whatever, lead trumpet player, you know, So I was always at the top. I was always leading. And when we went into art auction, well, I didn't really have. It was. We were just by ourselves. There was really no one else. It was me and you.

Yeah.

All right. But then when we went into real estate, it was. I was a fish out of water. And I really got. You know, I didn't know. Well, I didn't know. You don't know what you don't know. Right. So I just. We went in not knowing anything. So, you know, we studied and took. Became realtors, whatever. So I was trying to learn about real estate, but it seemed like everybody I talked to do so much more. And then, you know, and we did the class with Phil Grove and, you know, trying. Trying to learn, learn, learn. We were always learning. We're always Lear and. But I always felt that, you know, that imposter syndrome, right? Fake it till you make it. I've always felt it. Always felt that. Because I always felt that every time I met somebody, no matter what stage. And this actually goes even to recent. No matter what stage we were in, I'm always meeting someone that knows so much more than me. And I'm just like, what am I? I'm just a joker here. I don't even know half of what these people know. And we're hanging out with these people. And I remember it was. It was probably about four or five years ago where we read something and it says, always make sure that you're the dumbest guy in the room. Right?

Yep.

Right. And I'm like, done. I've got that. I've got that down. You know, I'm that. That's. Man, I am rocking that. And. And so. So you talk about, what are my insecurities? I've always felt like I don't know as much as everyone else. I've always felt that. I've always felt, well, the. The dumbest guy in the room. That's. I play that role up very well. I always make sure that we're in really smart rooms, which we always are, it seems, you know, and. And, you know, and we talk to people, and they. They. You know, and. Because, you know, people know us because they, like, Power Room were owners, and. And, you know, so they introduce us as owners, and so people come up to us, and they immediately tell us their resume, and. And they tell us their resume, and I'm like, holy, I can't believe this guy's talking to me. I'm sorry. I just swore. Whoops. You know, this is the.

Get real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we swear. Sorry.

Y. But I'm like, holy crap. I can't believe this person's even talking to us. This guy's like, you know. You know, and then we had Annie on. On, you know, as a guest for one of our earlier episodes, and I'm just like, man, I can't even. I can't even have a conversation with her. She just. She'll, like, look at me and look into my soul, and I'll be. I'll be in the corner, you know, in the fetal position. I mean, because it. Just. Because she's so incredibly smart. So there you go. That's my insecurities. There we go.

Okay, that was great, Flip. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hey, but perspective shift again. People come to you and want to know, like, you are smarter. You are so, so incredibly smart. And people come to you in those rooms to be able to ask you questions because it's not imposter syndrome, right? You're not faking it like, you're the real deal, right?

Well, they always. They come up. Hey, I got a question for you. I'm like, okay, if you want my answer.

Okay, so is it my turn? Yes, I think it's my turn. Yep.

Yep.

My turn to ask the question. All right, Flip. What are your limiting beliefs?

You nailed them. You've got, like, a list of six here. And. And they're. Well, no, I'm just saying they're all my limiting beliefs since we got into real estate because it was, you know, the past careers or the past careers, but since we got into real estate, the limiting beliefs have always been, I don't know, everything. You know, I don't know as much As I should. That also mine was always, well, how are we real estate investors? We don't have any money, you know.

Yep.

And. And it's like, you know, real estate investors are millionaires.

Right, right, right, right.

They're driving around, you know, Bentleys and. And whatever, and living in their huge mansions in, you know, in. In Westlake, you know, when we lived in Austin. And. And I was just like, you need.

Money to make money.

Yeah, yeah. I was just like, okay, we're real estate investors, you know. You know, so that's, that's, that's. And then you also say something. I'll say this first one. Making money is hard. We always thought that. Or I mean, I always thought that making money is hard. It's hard work. And you have to work 80 hours a week and you have to. If you're not working 80 hours a week, you're not going to make money and you're not going to be successful. And so that goes back to the. What are you most ashamed of? Or that I always did that, you know.

Yeah, right. Yeah. That's powerful. I think that's something that we talk about, you know, on stage a lot. That whole limiting belief of you have to have money to make money. Because people, at least when we got started, it was like the Richie Rich. I think that was the picture on your slide that you actually threw on there. Yeah. You really did think that not only did you have to make money, you needed to be like, rich. Only the rich invest in real estate.

And then one last one. I'm sorry, we were. I'm not going to get too far into the story, but we were actually buying into a company and people that we knew that we had introduced to the main owners of this company stepped in front of us and took this. This position in the company. They bought in and knocked us out of this job, which, thank. I'm so thankful today that that happened. But as we were talking to them saying, I can't believe that you guys just took these people that we introduced to you and you're going to pass up on us and you're going with them. And they asked the question. And I'll still remember. I still remember this to this day. Like, they said, do you even know how to run a company? You know, And I'm just like. And I. And. And I said, well, no, that's the truth. God's honest truth.

Yeah.

No, I don't know how to run a company. And then all of a sudden, I got to thinking about. I'm like, Is it that hard? You know, is this something that I need to go to school for eight years to know how to run a company? And. And I still laugh about that to this day because now we've got like 15 million companies and, you know, and exaggerating. Okay, 14 million. And I don't run any of them, so. But, but, but anyway, it's just, I remember that you believe for me for a long time is that I don't know how to run a company because they asked that question and the way they asked it was it made it seem like you have to be like this amazing individual, so, so intellectual, smart, master's degree in running a company. Anyway, that was, that was, that was one. That's. That. That was an oldie but a goodie.

Yeah, I actually forgot about that part.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one.

Thank you for bringing that back into.

Oh, yeah. You want some salt for that wound?

I'm so. Than I'm sitting here just like saying how grateful I am.

Oh, yeah, do that.

Wow. Okay. Is it my turn?

Yes. What are your. Oh, sorry. Question number four. What are your limiting beliefs?

All right, so flipped a couple of mine that I had written down. Actually, really only one. I, I did write down. Making money is hard. No pain, no gain. Getting rich requires sacrifice. I think those are limiting beliefs. Like, I really thought that in order to get where we wanted to go, like, we had to like burn out, essentially. We had to be working, like you said, 24 7. We don't have time to relax. You know, now's the time to go ahead and dig in and you don't get to rest. You have to work. You have to work. And thank goodness that we did not, you know, pass away during this time of building all these companies, because that was no way to live. Right?

Right.

Quality of life was zero. We didn't have one. Thank goodness. We had each other and we stayed together during whole thing. So I don't think making money is hard. I don't believe in the no pain, no gain. And I don't think getting rich requires sacrifice. And it took me all the way to here, to where we are now to actually get rid of those limiting beliefs. So now what is my limiting belief right now? So I wrote down that I can build $100 million company or $1 billion company, because right now we're a multimillion dollar company, family of companies. And I've said to you, I want us to be a hundred million dollar company. And that part of me is like, Danny, get real.

I don't think the get real supposed to be said that way.

No, it's not. But it's kind of what I'm telling myself. Right.

Funny that's a new book.

But, yeah, I think it's a little bit of a limiting belief of can I do it? And I know I can. And this is what I. What I wrote next. There's a polarity in me that says, I know I can do it, and I'm not sure if I can do it. And I feel both things at the same time. It's like, I know I can do this. I've got this. And then some at some point during the day or even at the same time of me saying that some little small voice inside me is going, can you? You said you could, but can you? Um, and I think when I have no polarity ever going on is when the roller coaster is, like, on the down. It's at that bottom, right? We're always, you know, up and down, up and down. Like it's a roller coaster to build businesses like we're doing. And when it's down, then I go, I can effing do this. And, like, I don't have. There's like, I just refuse to lose, right? And that is the point of time where, like, my, like, grit and tenacity and everything kicks in and I just, like, I can do it. I can do this, I can do this. I refuse to lose. I will do this. And it turns into, I will. It's not even, I can, I will do this. And I think that's, like, it has taken that type of attitude to get us through some of those hard times, right? Because they come no matter what, they're going to keep on coming. The bigger we get, the bigger problems that come our way. And that's just reality of building companies and building businesses. And it's not for the faint of heart. You know, you do have to have grit, intensity, and determination, and you have to have that I refuse to lose mindset. And. But it's when you're at the top, you're going, who? Look what we built. I can't believe we did this. And then that's when you have some of those limiting beliefs because you're just like, wow, I did that. Okay, can I go bigger? Can I? Yes, I can. Can I? Yes, I can. Can I? And you just go back and forth until, like, it gets down to the nitty gritty and, you know, the. The character that we have says, I refuse to lose. We are going to keep going. We're going to do exactly what we said we're going to do. So that's. I think that's my big. I think limiting belief is trying to really understand and grasp that polarity concept of you can believe one thing and also kind of question it at the same time. All right. Yes.

Question number five. What do you want more than anything else?

Okay. All right. I actually wrote down two things, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna use the very first one. And I might say both, but I have a feeling you might say the second one, so I'm still gonna say both. You're gonna have to think of something new.

Okay.

So what do I want more than anything else? So I want to step into who I am meant to be. So I feel like, like, this get real concept is as close to what we were meant to do in life than we've ever been, because it's crazy. Everything that we've built and we've been trying to figure out, how do we give back? You know, giving back is something really super important to us. So giving back initially is, for me, the causes and the organizations that we want to give back to. That's what giving back is. But giving back is also like helping others, providing, you know, what we're providing. I actually think our business is, to me, giving back. It's like, we've been on this journey, but now passive investors can invest with us. Right. And reach their financial freedom. And I feel like that's like, our way of, hey, here's. We've been on this journey. It's been tough, but, you know, we're here, and we did it now, you know, jump on our bus and let's. Like, to me, that's partly giving back, because one of the hardest questions to answer is always, who do you trust? And we want to be those people that people say, I trust. Flipping Danny like, holy crap. And so. And then going to events and speaking and, like, you know, just doing whatever it is we. We can do to help. But it was not until we started talking about this get real concept that I just went, this is it. Like, not everybody talks about the rough stuff. Not everybody says what we're saying on this podcast today. Right, Right. And does a whole, like, topic about it. And I think it really allows you to look behind the scenes at people who are. Have reached some level of success and just go, they are real people. Like, if they can do it, I can do it. And I think it's. That's our thing, is if Flip and Danny can do It. You know, you can do it, too. And so I really, really love. That's what I really want more than anything else is for us to be able to have an impact financially on causes, but also in people's lives and letting them know, hey, you know, get out there and make it happen, because you can do it. And then the other thing I wrote down here was I really want wild and crazy success, because that means that we won and we get to give back in massive ways to things that we care about. And if we won, that means our team won, that means our investors won, and we get to continue to help others. And so that. That's. If I. That's how I'm gonna answer that question. So your turn.

Yeah. If you would have asked me this question, which I believe you actually did ask me this question about 10 years ago, I think that my answer was that I want more money than humanly possible. I think that was my answer verbatim. And that's changed immensely because now it's. It's not that. I mean, do I. Well, yes, I want money, but not like that. Not in that way. You know, I mean, we. We want to give back, and we want to. We want to make money so we can give more. Yeah. And so I do want more money than, you know, humanly possible, but not just for me.

Right.

You know, it's so that way. I mean. I mean, you know, there's teammates that we have, the team members that we have that have kids now, you know, and. And, well, we. I want to make sure that they go to college. You know, I want to make. I want to have some sort of a scholarship fund for them. I want to, you know, I want to take care of the team. I want to take care of. And that's just the team. But then it's just, you know, the. The foundations and other things that we give to you. And I believe that's company number eight, the Freedom foundation, you know, and. Or nine or whatever. Ten. I. I don't. I've lost count. And so that's, you know, that's what I want. And. And, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Wouldn't have thought of. Well, granted, back then, we didn't have a team, so. And we didn't have a, you know, the. All these companies and everything, but as we built the companies and the more and more they turned into family, that's, you know, that was, you know, definitely first now. But if you ask me, what do I want more than anything else is a Golf course. I want to own my own golf course. So. So if anyone's selling a golf course, flip@freedomfamilyinvestments.com.

Oh, my gosh. Yep.

Yep. So. But yeah.

Okay. Anything else that you want before I.

Okay. Yeah. No, no. You need to ask the next question.

Okay. All right. This is question number six. Is that right? All right. What do you want people to say about you when you die?

So that's interesting, because it's like I have two different lives. You know, I have the musician life, and then I have the real estate life.

Yep.

And I think all the musicians, like, if. If everyone that I knew my entire life went to my funeral, half of the room would be my musician friends and half of the room would be my real estate friends. And the musicians friends would be sitting there going, what did he do? And then all my real estate friends would be saying, he did what? Because it's two different lives, you know, it's as me, I wasn't crazy musician, but it's definitely a different life. I mean. I mean, I used to stay up to 3, 4 o' clock in the morning. Now I wake up at 3, 4 o' clock in THE morning. You know, it's two different lives. And I mean, it's. It's just. I mean, in all seriousness, what would. What do I want people to say is like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe they did that? Starting with next to nothing. There you go.

I like it.

Question number six. What do you want people to say about you when you die?

All right, so I spent some time actually writing this out. Yeah. So I wrote. She put it all on the table. She kept her word. She did what she said she was going to do. She stayed true to herself. She was authentic, approachable. She helped every person she could. She learned how to live life with unconditional love and kindness towards every person she met, never judging their path or their journey, just wanting to help. And I think that that's what it is. I know I've actually written my obituary, and it didn't even have that in it.

Oh, wow.

But literally getting ready for this episode, I was like, yeah, how would I answer that? And I just kind of just closed my eyes and dug in and wrote a little bit, and then closed my eyes, dug in, wrote a little bit more, and that's it. Like, I want people to. To know that I did everything possibly that I could to help other people.

That's awesome. I was going to read that, but. And say that I put it all on the table. I kept my word. But no. All right, next question.

Yes.

Question seven. What are you most proud of?

Mm. I feel like the one I wrote down there at the top is your answer.

That's mine. Like I saw that. You stole my answer.

Yep. Yep. Okay, so I'm going to say the other ones. Always learning, always getting stronger, always surrounding ourselves with people who want to see us win and willing to help us get there. I think that's not true for everybody. I think there's times where natural ego comes into play, natural human tendency comes into play where you get jealous of other people who are succeeding or you get upset that they are in a place where you want to be and you feel like you should have gotten there first or at the same time, I can honestly say in a very get real way, I've been there. Like where I'm just like so mad like that I'm not where they are. I should be where they are. I'm so angry. And as a result, I wasn't happy for them and that was just a sorry ass way to live. And it's just bad as a human person, like overall. So I think that learning that was. Is definitely something that I'm very, very proud of. And surrounding ourselves with people who are like that too, who, who really cheer us on when we win, I think that's really exciting. I also wrote, I'm proud of building all these companies and having such a committed team who want nothing more than to continue to grow the family of companies and make it the very best it can be. Hiring is one of the hardest things you can do in business. Holy cow. And we just really have just the most amazing team and they're incredible and they do everything they can to make sure that we are serving our investors the best way that we can. And there's people that will work for a salary and, and do their job. And then there's people that care and actually create change within the company because of how much they care in order to say, hey, this is what I think that we can do to serve our investors better. And that's the type of people that we have in our leadership most, most of all in our leadership. And that leadership then trickles down to the rest. I'm really, really proud of that. And then last thing that I put is just freedom and learning how to start prioritizing God, family, and this life first and not hitting burnout again. So I'm proud of got to that point. I wish I would have gotten to it sooner But I'm really proud that I got here now and then I invested in mentors who could help me get to this point in life. So I'm going to turn the question back to you, Flip. What are you most proud of?

Well, the. The one that you didn't say, because that was one of mine, is the never giving up. And the. The story three feet from gold. I talk about it all the time. You know, I remember reading it for the first time and going, that's brilliant. And that has been in my mind ever since that day. And so we don't. We don't ever give up. We will do whatever it takes. We will go through the brick wall. We will not give up. And it's. That's. Honestly, that's what I'm most proud of. Because there are a million bazillion times that we could have given up easily.

Yes.

So that's definitely what I'm most proud of. I'm also very proud of always finding masterminds where I'm the dumbest guy in the room. I mean, it's not that hard, but. Yeah, but it's. It's. Every time I'm like, well, this ought to be interesting. And walk into the room and go, yep. Not. Not a question.

Yep.

Okay, but that's definitely. But because of that, that's pushing us and always making us learn more. And so it's. That's awesome.

Yep.

Love it.

Awesome.

Oh, and last thing, you. Because you said, learning how to start prioritizing God and family and this life first. Most proud of that. We found doctors and we actually see a doctor now. And I. I got my hip done.

Yeah.

You know, I'm golfing now, so. Very proud of that, too.

I love it. All right, so I'm asking you this one, right?

No, this I. I would believe because. Wait. Yep. Yep. You asked me first. Yep.

Okay. So, Flip, what would you do differently?

Because I know what you wrote here, and I'm. I'm kind of. I knew my first knee jerk reaction was multifamily first.

Okay.

You know, I also know that what you say here. And so I'm not going to steal yours.

You can steal something.

No, that's okay. I would. I definitely would have said doing multi family. Getting into that first. I. I mean, we didn't think we were going to get into single family because we didn't have any money.

Money.

I mean, had we known that we could have done multifamily without any money, we would have done that, but we didn't know that but it's. It's kind of. I. I like it. It's. I love the. Love the path we did, and I think it was perfect for us. And I. I don't. I'm. I'm glad we did everything the way we did it.

Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna answer that one. Yeah.

Sorry. Question number eight. What would you do differently?

Do you even know? For. It's eight.

Yeah.

Okay. If you've been counting. Okay. What would I do differently? So I wrote two things. One that I wish I knew about passive investing sooner. So we say this often. We tell people about active investing and passive investing. We compare the two side by side.

Right.

And then we give examples of active investing and give examples of passive investing. We tell people that, like us, many people go to the active investing side thinking that's where they want to go. Right?

Yep.

And then they go, oh, I did not want to give myself another job.

Yeah.

And this is very stressful, and this is very difficult. And there's a lot of. It's a big, big learning curve to become a real estate investor and start flipping houses or wholesaling, whatever it is that you're going to do. And they end up stopping. And then maybe they ran out of money because they spent their savings in this active investor world and realized that they would have preferred doing the passive investor route. And we have a group of dentists that they say, we just want to invest with you and we're going to live vicariously through you. We love being a dentist. And then we don't want to, you know, go out there and, you know, have to learn all of this ourselves and lose money because we don't know what we're doing. And so I wish that if I was going to wish anything, it would be that I understood passive investing back because we could have at the very least split our funds in half and said, hey, half of this we're going to put into passive investing, and then the other half we're going to try this active. And at least we would have gotten on the road to passive investing. And by now, the amount of wealth we could have created because we started way back then, passive investing would be just incredible. So that was. That would be the only thing I think I would say I would change. But I'm going to take it back now, and I'm going to say I wouldn't change a thing because we might not be exactly where we are today if we would have done that road.

Right. Exactly right.

I'm very, very happy with where we're at right here, right now, today. Even with all the ups and downs.

That's right. Yep. Well, the. The downs make the ups better.

That's right. Okay.

All right, so last question.

Yeah.

Question number nine. What's the biggest takeaway you want people to have from this episode?

I love it. O. Okay, so everyone's scared. Most people just do a good job hiding it. People fail every day, and they keep getting back up. People just don't talk about their failures as much as they do their successes, especially on social media. No one is an overnight success. Time is your friend or your enemy. And that's why you need to get off your ass and start taking action today, not tomorrow. It's a get Real episode. Who cares that you're scared? We all are. Get up. Make your dreams come true, because no one else is going to do it for you. And that's what I wrote down. If you're going to take away anything, just know that we were scared. We're still scared. I go, I can do it. Can I? I can do it. Can I? Like that's a real thing. So just know that that's. That's what happens. That's what goes on in people's head. It does not matter how successful you are, the most successful people surprise me all the time saying the same things that we're saying to you right now. So that line about everybody puts their pant leg on one at a time.

Yep.

Like, just get up and do it. Because time really can be your friend or your enemy. And if you don't get started now, you're going to keep on, you know, you're just going to be on the same path that you are now. And 10 years later, you're going to wonder where those 10 years went. And you could have amassed, you know, quite a bit of wealth had you just taken the first step. And so that's why we're here telling our story today, because if we can do it, you can do it, too. Now, Flip, I'm going to turn the question back to you. What's the biggest takeaway you want people to have from this episode?

Well, like a lot of the stuff that you said, but never giving up, you know, I think it was John Wayne that said, courage is falling off the horse but getting back in the saddle, you know, and I think I just. Just brutally killed that, but you get the idea. But. But never giving up. That's the most important, important thing. Don't be afraid to be the dumbest guy in the room. I've learned a lot because of that.

Yeah.

You know, and. And you're. Regardless of the fake it till you make it in the imposter syndrome, I would say probably 9.9 out of 10 times you actually do know what you're talking about. So don't. Don't listen to the voices in your head. And the old saying, whether you say I can or I can't, that whichever you say is true. So.

Man, good.

I just pulling them all out, and you're winging it.

Like, I had notes for mine. Way to go, flip.

So I would say that's my biggest takeaways.

Yeah. I think what you said, I. I love the. The fact. The fact that you brought up the whole thinking thing, because one of the things that I've learned the most from my current coach is like, stop. Stop thinking. Like, just be present. Be in the now. What is it that you can do right now that's going to get you closer to where you want to be going? Give it, you know, care and attention and quality and stop letting your mind run the game.

Right.

Like, because most of the time, 99% of the time, your thinking gets you in trouble. Like, your mind is telling you things that aren't true. That's why I liked Annie's episode about truth and lies. The things that our mind is telling us is not true. And so you ha. You have to surround yourself with people that actually understand that and get you to turn off that thinker and just keep on going and know that you can do it and that things will fall into place depending on where you're going and what you need. And it's just happened for us over and over and over again. You know, we're. We're here for a reason, and I think it's crazy. Awesome.

Yep.

So I want to keep on turning that brain off whenever I can. Okay, so we're gonna go to the next segment. All right, so we have a reaction segment. And I was trying to do. Trying to decide what we were going to do for this. For this segment, because I always try to look for trending topics or something that people Google a whole lot, and we can just talk about it and go back and forth. I decided for the segment it was going to be authenticity, the good, the bad, and the future. So it's very rare to find people who are truly authentic. I was just on a virtual mastermind, and they asked me to speak. And this is why. Why do. Why do you constantly. Danny, why do you constantly say, I'm not smart enough and I don't know what I'm doing because, like, people ask us to go on stage and speak. And this is a mastermind full of really, really incredibly smart people. And they ask me to speak. And so I like, it just again, tells me to stop using the. This. This noggin of mine because it keeps telling me lies. But anyway, so they asked me to speak. And one of the things that I said, they. They were asking about leads and getting investors, and I said, honestly, just, I'm transparent, I'm authentic. I tell people our worst failures. And literally, I saw a couple jaws drop. Like, what? Like, why would you tell them, like, your failures? That seems counterintuitive to most people to talk about where you fail. And, you know, I was just like, I'm very much about authenticity and just keeping it real. Like, I don't want somebody telling me all the good stuff. I want to understand where things went wrong and what they do about it, you know, because so many times people will run. They will meet a challenge and they will run away. And all the people who. Who refuse to run away are stuck holding the bag.

Yep.

And I don't want to invest with those type of people. I don't want to surround myself with those types of. Of people. So I'm very eager to talk about the bad things that happen so that people can understand my character and what happens when bad things happen. And I think that. I think that's just the way things should go. Even though we are going to be the rare birds that do it, I think that we're getting into a culture where people are requiring people to be more authentic. They are asking the hard questions and saying, hey, I want to know the goods and the bads. Because if you tell me it's good all the time, then I actually am just going to run away. So I believe that we're gonna, as we grow, you know, through humanity and, and, you know, where we're at now as a people and as humans, I think we're just requiring it and it's going to get better, but I think some people will flip it on its head and be even more inauthentic in an effort to try and be authentic. They're going to figure out how to. How to, like, do it in the wrong way. You know what I mean? So it's just going to be crazy. What's, what's your thoughts on authenticity and the good side, bad side? What's gonna happen in the future?

I. Well, gosh, what's going to happen in the future? I have no idea on that. I mean, I just. I. I always think about wholesaling, you know, and. And all the Facebook groups, all it is is just people posting checks, you know, And. And I recently had a friend that. That they went into wholesaling because they're like, man, this is super easy. Everybody's making a ton of money doing this, man. And I just. I learned how to do it. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make so much money. Six weeks, Seriously. Six weeks. And. And they already quit and they're doing something else because they're like, man, that's hard work. I didn't. I didn't get one. One deal under contract. I expected to have like three or four by now, and I need one under contract this hard. And. And. And. And. And I'm just like, oh, man. Yeah, right there. That's. That's the. That's the good and the bad.

Yeah. You know, they want to sell you a course or something. Give me your money. This is easy. You're gonna make $10,000 in your first deal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yep. That's crazy. Yeah, I. I just. Just then with the social media, it's. It's so jaded, and so it's. It's so. So far to the side of. Of fake, and it's not hard, and it's easy, and all you're going to do is make money and you don't hear that nobody's authentic.

And.

Yeah.

Thank you. Now I know how you feel about that.

Yes, exactly.

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Visit freedomfamilyinvestments.com and welcome back to the Freedom Show. And this is just. I'm interviewing her, she's interviewing me. Kind of a different kind of episode here. And so this is the time of the episode where we do flips. What is it? What do you call Real quick with Flip? Yeah, so today is Real quick with Flip and Benny. And so I think you know how this works. So do you. Do you want to give me your five, or do you want to just. You do one. I do one. How do you want to do this?

No, I'M going to give you your.

Five, and you can give me my five. Okay. Good, good, good.

You ready?

Yep. Huh?

All right. Disney or Universal?

Oh, that's hardcore. I'm gonna go universal.

Okay, well, this one's easy. MSU or Michigan?

What? This is the week to ask that question.

That's why I asked the question.

Michigan State. I won't even say that. Otherwise.

1. Football or basketball?

Both.

Corvette or Ferrari?

Corvette.

And this is kind of between you and I, but Mimis or wings?

O. Depends on the day. I'm gonna go with wings. Oh, you didn't think I see that coming, did you?

I did not see that coming. So we go to this restaurant, and, boy, I. I think I could just order for you.

Yep.

He wants me.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like. It's like a big chipotle salad, so it's yummy. All right, you ready?

Yes.

All right. So mine are much more serious than that. I doubt it. Yep. All right. Messy desk or clean desk?

Clean desk, please.

Reality shows or documentaries?

Oh, documentaries.

Art museum or history? Museum.

Art museum.

All right. Toilet paper, over or under?

Over.

Last one. Very important, Very important. Would you want a time machine or a magic wand? A magic wand that made you go back in time?

Can I just do both? I'm just going to say both. I was leaning toward magic wand, but I did.

I did.

Machine's tough.

Yeah. I have to give you both because I said both on one of my.

Yes, you did.

You did.

That was fun. Okay. That was hard for us, like, to come up with those.

I'm like, I know everything about her. And, I mean, I knew almost all those answers, too, but they're. They're fun.

Yes, they were. Okay, so we just wanted to say thank you for joining us for this episode. We love the Freedom Show. We love being here to be a resource. We love talking to other people and hearing other people's stories about freedom. That's really why we created this, is to continue to encourage you that there's lots of people that have done it. There's lots of people that have had ups and downs along the way, but they've always placed themselves in a better place at the end of their journey than when they started their journey. And that's really the purpose and the idea behind us sharing all of these stories with you and continuing to get real. Because we do believe that you just need to jump on that diving board and take the first leap into the water, because once you do, you are never going to look back. It is so. It is So I don't know what word fulfilling is, not the word, but it's just so amazing to know that we just kept the faith. We continue to be strong, courageous, be brave every single day. When things were tough, we just faced it head on and said, we're going to get through this. Because you know what? You're, you're going to have to face challenges every single day anyway. So why not actually face some challenges that put you into a position where you can have financial freedom or time freedom or geography freedom or whatever, like emotional freedom. And he talked about whatever freedom that it is that you want. You're living life every single day, and life isn't easy. So there's many times where you've actually recently said, I wouldn't be anywhere else, you know, than we are right now. I would not. I love our challenges because it means that we've put ourselves into a position to have this challenge. We could be having challenges of not being able to afford our mortgage payment in a little, you know, house because we never took the steps because we were scared, and we let fear get the best of us. So any, Any final remarks about that?

Two things. Number one is I always say, and you can finish the statement, if it.

Was easy, everyone would do it.

There you go. And then the second thing is, is that not only if it was easy, everyone could do it, but if Flip and Danny can do it, you can do it.

You can do it.

So when you get up on that morning and you feel like it's got the best of you, just think of Flip and Danny did this. I can do this.

That's right. And we want to be a resource for you. So we always end every single episode letting people know how to get touch with a guest that we're talking to. So if you would like to use us as a resort, a resource on your investing journey, we would love to talk to you. So you can go to our website@freedomfamilyinvestments.com or it's even easier to remember if you're in the car driving. Chatwithfreedom.com and that's going to take you directly to our page of our investor relations team. And they're going to have their calendars there. You can jump on a call with them. You can also email us@investreedomfamilyinvestments.com if you would prefer to communicate that way. But we are here for you.

Yep. And if you have a golf course, again, flip@freedomfamilyinvestments.com.

Thank you so much for joining us and we are going to see you next Wednesday. Bye, everybody.

Hey, everybody. Hope you guys enjoyed that episode. I actually had a lot of fun with that one, especially asking Danny all the fun questions and. Well, I guess I had to answer them too.

Yes. Yes, you did. So at the end of every episode, we'd like to tell you what's going on right now. So as we said at the very beginning, we're in Santa Monica, California. We just finished an event. We were speaking at the Grand Expo here in Los Angeles and it was amazing. We had a packed room and a lot of people that are beginning their investor journey and learning how like us to keep it real. So the two things that doing we're working on right now is again, private money lending. We are starting to buy more and more deals and so we need to increase our private money lender database. We've had a waiting line for years. So now is your time to jump in because we've got a lot of deals coming up and so we are opening up the floodgates to let you in to become a private money lender. And then also wholesale deals. We have the reason why we're buying, buying so many is because we have increased our team in Casper, Ohio houses. So all the deals that we don't buy we are now wholesaling to other investors. The only reason we're not buying them is because it doesn't fit our buy box. Oh. We simply have enough already for our pipeline to go into the rehab phase. So that means you get to take advantage of buying a deal from us that has instant equity. So you get to buy the deal at a deep, deep discount like we do. And then you can renovate the property to your standards and you can either sell it on the retail market or you can place a resident in the property and then hold it for cash flow. And we can help you with all of those steps. So not only can we wholesale the deal to you at a steep discount, we can also help you with the renovations. We can also help you with property management or we can help you sell it on the MLS if you choose to just flip it for cash. So if any of that is interested interesting to you, Please go to chatwithfreedom.com and then scroll down. If you'd like to talk about private money lending, then talk to Ben and cj. Jump on their calendar. If you'd like to talk about those wholesale deals or any of our chunky properties, then scroll down and jump on Junior's calendar. That's all we have for this week. We will see next Wednesday. Bye.

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