Episode 494: No Evidence of Disease After an Aggressive Form of Brain Cancer

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Welcome to the Cannabis Health Radio podcast. I'm Ian Jessup. On the program today, we have a mother and son with an incredible story that speaks to the power of intuition, determination, and love. And joining us from the UK is Tammy Mulholland and her son Connor. 3 years ago, Connor became ill while on a trip to Thailand and cut his trip short to seek medical advice from doctors at home, but what was found that was ailing him, nobody wants to hear. Folks, thanks for joining us. I really appreciate you doing this. Connor, tell us about, uh, Thailand. How are you feeling when you left for Thailand in 2023?

So when I, um, I'd always had plans from about the age of 17, 18 to go traveling in Southeast Asia. It was always a big dream of mine. So it got to December 2023, and I decided to make the trip to Thailand in January 2024. And I was at the time, looking back, it was always after lockdown and the COVID period. I'd done all my education within engineering since leaving school at the age of 16, and going traveling was a massive dream for me, and I eventually got the opportunity to go. So I decided to book the trip, and I traveled to Bangkok at the end of January in 2024. And little did I know at the time, I'd started to suffer from minor headaches around the end of the year 2023, going into the start of January 2024. And at the time I was just taking paracetamol, didn't really tell anyone what was going on because at the time I was just managing it with paracetamol. It was kind of doing the trick, and at this point the headaches weren't really— they were nothing to worry about, as I would like to have thought at the time. And over the course of January into the start of February, the symptoms started to get a lot worse. At this point, I was— I'd already traveled to Thailand. I think it was on the 27th of January 2024. So by the time I landed in Bangkok, I was still feeling quite healthy, bearing in mind I had the minor headaches, but it wasn't throwing me off my day-to-day activities, if that makes sense. I was at the time probably starting to suffer from a bit of fatigue, For someone who was 23 at the time, I think sleeping for 12 to 15 hours a day was something that was quite abnormal looking back now. And even after having these big sleeps, I was still feeling quite tired. But anyway, I was getting on with the trip in Thailand. I was with two of my friends. We was all having a great time, and it must have been around the middle of February symptoms started to get quite worse than what they were before I traveled over there. So I think at this point I was in a city called Chiang Mai in Thailand, and that's where things really started to hit the fan. I was— my two friends were— they didn't know what was wrong with me. Obviously being a young lad in Thailand, there were so many things to go and see and go and do. And for someone that's been quite a doer all my life and, you know, get up quite active and would love to be doing things, I was really struggling. I was really struggling to, you know, to get myself up and ready for the day. And the two friends that I was with, they couldn't quite understand what was going on. And I don't think at this point anyone really realized how serious the situation was as it was developing. So it was in the north of Thailand in a city called Chiang Mai. We was going out, seeing the mountains, enjoying the weather, seeing the elephants. There was all these activities that we was planning to do, and to be fair, I managed to drag myself up and out on certain days. For whatever reason, I found the energy to do it, but there was just my body was just telling me that there's something weren't quite right. So whilst I was in Chiang Mai, the symptoms that I started to experience, stuff like heavy dizziness, feeling unbalanced on my feet. I started getting quite serious morning sickness where also, also it was, it was happening around 7 AM, 8 o'clock in the morning. I was laying in bed and all I wanted, all I knew it was going to happen. I was being sick quite violently, but the headaches at this point were starting to get, they were starting to turn from like minor headaches to like migraines. And the only way that would relieve this pressure was being quite violently sick and So I'd get up out of bed, I'd take myself to the toilet. I was experiencing the bad nausea and then I'd just get back in bed and all I wanted to do at this point was sleep. And at this point we was all sharing a hotel room and given the fact it's the first time I traveled to Thailand, we all thought, 'Oh, have I been bit by a mosquito? Is it food poisoning? Have I Have I contracted a virus? And these are all the things that we was thinking. I had quite a bad episode where my eyes had flared up at the front as well, and there is a picture of me with my eyes are quite, quite red and puffy, and it looks like I had a bad bout of conjunctivitis, but really I think it was just down to the pressure that was, that was going on inside my head at the time. So yeah, once I'd been stuck in this hotel in Chiang Mai for about a week, and at this point I wasn't getting any better. I was hoping I'd just sleep for a long day, sleep for 15, 16 hours, and I'd wake up feeling fine again. But it was just a recurring theme. I wasn't getting better, I was in fact getting worse. So I decided to take myself to a hospital that was local to the hotel I was staying in, and bearing in mind me being English and the language barrier, it was quite difficult to explain to the Thai doctors and nurses what I was experiencing. And they observed me, they looked at my eyes, and all they said to me was, 'You've probably picked a virus up.' with you being new in the country and you've never been here before and with the new bacterias that you're exposed to and the viruses you're exposed to. They just said to me, you've probably picked a virus up. They give me some tablets to help balance the dizziness that I was feeling. And then because what was happening was I could be walking down the street and it felt like someone was dragging me by my left arm towards the floor, if that makes sense. It was, I almost felt like I was a bit drunk when I was completely sober and I kept saying to my friends, I feel like I'm unsteady on my feet and they was like looking at me thinking, are you like, are you actually alright? Like no one knew at this point how serious it was, what was developing inside my brain and at not one point did I consider that I would have a brain tumor growing on the cerebellum of my brain, which I now know is responsible for your muscle coordination and your balance. And that's the part of your brain that controls it. So that explained why I was having these symptoms of feeling dizzy and feeling unbalanced on my feet.

It sounds like it was quite fast growing because you kept getting worse and worse and worse.

Yeah. So given the diagnosis, it was a medulloblastoma, as we now know. It's quite— it's graded as a grade 4 brain tumor, which is very aggressive. So it does grow quite quickly. So my body deteriorated in the space of 6 weeks from being able to take myself to the toilet to being completely bedbound and confused and not not knowing what time of day it was. But going back to being in Thailand, I was just praying that I'd wake up one day and that it would be gone. But in fact, it was just getting worse. And there was one day I thought, obviously I've been to the hospital, they checked over me and they kind of just sent me away with some medication and they said, 'If it doesn't clear up, then come back.' And I just thought, I knew something weren't right. And at this point, I still didn't think I had a cancerous brain tumor growing, but I just, for whatever reason, something told me, 'You need to get back to England.' So I decided to book a flight home whilst I still had the energy and It was possibly the worst flight of my life. I was really struggling at this point, bearing in mind I had a big— I had a large backpack with me with all my belongings in from the trip because I'd booked a one-way flight. I wasn't— I didn't really have a plan. I didn't really know what I was gonna do. All I knew was I had a one-way flight to Thailand and I was just gonna wing it, let's say. So anyway, I decided to book the flight home, so I flew back to England. It took about 18 hours. I had 2 connecting flights, one in Hong Kong and then one at Heathrow Airport back to Manchester. I hadn't really told my mum at this point what I'd been experiencing, given I was on the other side of the world. And I didn't want her to start worrying because me and my mum have always been quite close. My mum's always kind of worried about me and stuff, and I knew the type of person my mum was. She'd be absolutely— if I ever told her how ill I actually was, I think she'd have been quite worried. So I took it, I dealt with it myself really, and I just thought, I'll get myself back to England and we'll go from there.

Let me ask, uh, let me ask your mom, Tammy. What was, uh, what was going through your mind when you saw Connor after he returned from, uh, Thailand?

When I picked him up from Manchester Airport, um, we came home, picked him up early on the Thursday morning, um, went back to my parents for a couple of hours. Um, he seemed I gave him the biggest of hugs because I hadn't seen him for a long time and he hadn't told me at this point, like he said, that he'd been experiencing, you know, feeling unwell whilst he was away. So we went to my parents, had some breakfast, came home. Connor got into bed around 11 AM and he just slept the whole night through till next morning. Well, I didn't really think anything of it to be honest because I thought he's got a bit of jet lag, you know, he's been traveling for so long. I just assumed, you know, he's just extremely tired. Anyway, morning came on the Friday morning and he was violently being sick. He was sick everywhere. And obviously as a mum, I was like, oh, there's something that's not right because this isn't— this is out of— totally out of character for Connor. And then it continued right through to the weekend. Through the whole way through the weekend, and I was asking him, look, you've not eaten. At this point, he'd not eaten anything. So he'd been home for 3 days continuously being sick, not keeping any fluids down, no, no food. And I was starting to become very concerned then, and trying to get him to go to the hospital was a nightmare. He wouldn't go. He just wouldn't go. Eventually, Monday came round, and he came, he came downstairs and he said, "Something's not right, Mum. I'm really not feeling well. I think we need to go and get checked out." So we went through to the hospital. They ran some blood tests, basically came back that he was just dehydrated. So they rehydrated him, kept him in overnight, came home the next day and it just carried on. The sickness carried on. We got to Wednesday, went back to the GP. Oh no, looked at his blood panel, everything looks normal. 'If you, you know, go home and if anything gets any worse, go through to the hospital again.' So we can now get to Friday. So Connor's been home 8 days, not eating, not keeping fluids down, and he was in a very bad way to the point where me and my daddy's grandfather took him through to the hospital and my dad had to wheel him in a wheelchair, take him in in a wheelchair. He couldn't stand. He couldn't hold himself up, he was constantly being sick, and we got admitted to the medical assessment unit. We'd no sooner been on the unit 15 minutes after a long wait in the triage area of the hospital, and me, my dad, and Connor were sat waiting for Connor to be put in a bed, and Connor just went rigid. His legs went out, his arms went into his chest, I screamed for help and the emergency team came in and they just told us at the hospital that it was a vagal vasal, which is basically a posh word for fainting. Um, so after, after that was on the Friday, and I begged and pleaded the whole weekend for them to do an MRI scan and they wouldn't do it. Orlaith was a fit, healthy 23-year-old that played football on a regular basis. Was in the gym frequently, and they put it down to an infectious disease, barley belly, and put us in a side room away from everybody else. Took some bloods and said they'd sent it off to a panel in Manchester to be checked, and I just kept pressing and pressing and pressing. My sister's a nurse, and she was getting really annoyed at the staff, you know, look, something needs to be done, we want an MRI scan doing. They eventually sent us for an MRI. They came up. At this point, Connor had been in hospital face down in the bed. He couldn't lift his head up off the pillow. Every time he lifted his head up, he'd violently be sick. He couldn't walk himself to the toilet. And all they were doing were giving him anti-sickness pills and rehydrating him with fluids.

That's absolutely disgusting.

It was horrendous, to be honest, Ian. It was an awful time. It was terrible for me. I was, I'm not gonna lie, I was so frightened because I didn't know what it was. I didn't have a clue what was going on with my son. All they were doing was rehydrating him and giving him anti-sickness pills and painkillers.

Painkillers, yeah. When did you get the MRI finally?

So 9 days later, on the Saturday, we got the MRI scan. They did send during the week for a porter to take us through for the MRI, but they just sent a wheelchair. Connor got past being able to sit up in a wheelchair. He couldn't even stand. He was face down in a bed. He couldn't tolerate light. We got down to the MRI scanner, and when they tried to put Connor on his back, he was being sick. They managed— how long did—

So my experience from this was When we eventually got down to the MRI scanner, I was in quite a bad way where I'd basically found, I found a position lying down on kind of like my left-hand side where the pressure in my head didn't feel as bad, and it was kind of the only position I could lie in which made me feel more comfortable from everything that I was experiencing. So when we eventually got down to the MRI scanner, you have to lie on the back of your bed, you have to lie flat and straight basically, and this was something I really was struggling to do. And I must have, once I'd got in the MRI scanner and it started to scan, I must have got about, I was really struggling in that scanner and burning mine. Anyone that's been in an MRI scanner for the first time, it's quite a it's quite a claustrophobic thing to do, especially when you feel extremely unwell. So I must have got about 20 minutes of this brain scan done, and I had to press the emergency button for him to get me out of there because I was— I started being like— I started projectile vomiting on myself, and I could just feel it coming. I was fighting the sickness the whole time I was in there. Luckily, I'd managed to get enough of the scan done for him to see that there was an issue.

It was Saturday evening, he had the scan done and at 6 PM, 7 PM Saturday evening, I was in the room with him and this nurse came in to— they'd been coming in giving him fluids and then she came in with this She said, "Right, Connor, I'm going to give you a steroid now." And I was like— every time they came in, I was asking them what they were giving to Connor because I wanted to document, you know, what medications they were giving to him. And they said they were giving him a steroid, and I said, "Well, what's the steroid for?" And Connor was so agitated, he said, "I don't want it." At this point, he was sick of being poked and prodded. And the nurse left and she came back and she said, "Look, you have to have this steroid." and he was still, "Look, just leave me alone. I don't want it." And she was like, "Look, you have to have it. They've found an abnormality on your scan." And that was all we were told. So then I went out and spoke to the staff outside and I said, "Look, it's not good. This is not good. Nobody's coming to tell us anything. We've just had a nurse come in trying to administer a steroid to Connor." I want to know what's going on, basically. Connor was getting upset now. He said, something's obviously not right, Mum, will you stay with me tonight? So I came home, grabbed some things, and I went back with my sister and we stayed with him. And he was actually told at midnight that they come— another porter came and said, we're moving you from this room down to— it was neurology.

It was. So what happened at this point was During— obviously the hospital only has a specific amount of visiting hours that run from, I think, till around 8 o'clock at night, people can stay and be present in the hospital. Obviously at this point my mum had been running back and forth, she was extremely tired herself coming— she was spending— she was in hospital with me 12 hours throughout the day, so by the time my mum had left the hospital on this night. It was around half 11 at night when two neurologist doctors had walked into the room and I was kind of half asleep. I weren't sleeping properly but I was kind of half asleep and I was just trying to rest and they woke me up and that's when they broke the news to me what they'd found on the scan and that experience for me was when To be told at 23 by yourself that you've got an abnormality on your brain and it looks like there's a large mass growing on the rear of your brain, it's quite a scary thing to hear. I jumped out of my skin at this point. I couldn't, I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe I'd gone from being traveling around Thailand to being so poorly in Preston Hospital, being told that I've got a brain tumor basically.

Yeah, I mean, it's being told you've got a brain tumor, no matter what age you're at, is scary as hell.

And I always look back on that moment. That is probably— that's who's made me who I am today. It was— a thousand things went through my mind for about— I just couldn't believe what position I'd ended up in, being told that I had a brain tumor growing on the rear of my brain. It was, at the time I was like, what do you mean? Like, what does this mean for me? Am I going to end up dead? Like, these, these are all the questions that were flying, flying around my brain. And to be fair to them two neurologists that came to see me, it was quite reassuring. And I actually don't have a bad word to say about the neurologist team that dealt with my case because they would I thought they handled it really well.

From the minute Connor went down to neurology, things did start to change. The minute we were told it was a brain tumour, he was sent down to a department. He was, he was, that first, them first two nights, the Saturday and the Sunday, he was like on the high-dependency part of neurology and they watched him very clearly. And then on the, then he had surgery, which was a 9-hour surgery to remove the tumour. So it was, that was another long, terrifying day when my son was in theater for 9 hours.

Yeah, that's, uh, that's a long time. Tammy, how did you, uh, react when you found out that Connor had a brain tumor?

Uh, I, I just, my whole world, my whole, my world and my whole family's world was tipped upside down in a matter of seconds. I'll be honest, when, when he called me and told me, Mom, it's not good news, it's— they've told me it's a brain tumor, I was, I was violently being sick with shock. Oh, it just— he's my only son, and it doesn't make any difference because I know people have got 1, 2, 3 children, but he's my absolute world. He's my biggest achievement in life. So, you know, to be told that by your own son, that one, that he was in hospital alone and told that he had a brain tumor and I wasn't there with him. And then the whole shock of it, it was— I have no words, to be honest.

Yeah. So after the 9-hour surgery, what prognosis did the doctors give you?

Surgery? It was quite funny actually because the day after the surgery, once I'd started to come round, it was crazy how many symptoms I was experiencing had vanished.

Wow.

And that was the turning point, having the surgery. Everything changed and I was— it took me around— I had the surgery and I got discharged about a week after the surgery, so I made from everything I was going through in the last 6 weeks prior to the surgery, comparing to the week post-surgery, there was a massive, massive turnaround. And I got discharged from Preston Hospital around a week after the surgery, and there wasn't really— I had to have an MRI scan post-surgery, so I had an MRI scan After the day of the surgery, I was bodyboarded into the MRI scanner, but at this point I wasn't having any headaches. I was heavily medicated on strong painkillers at this point. I was obviously prescribed with morphine and I was taking dihydrocodine as well, so that helped me get, really get through that week after the surgery. But there was no diagnosis.

It took 3 weeks for the— obviously they sent the tumor away for a biopsy, and then when the— it took 3 weeks for the results to come back, and then we obviously, we got called back in, and it was at that point we were sat in the room and they said— they asked Connor how he was feeling. He said, "I feel great, I feel so much better." and the neurologist at the time said, "You're not out of the woods yet because unfortunately, I'm sorry to say, it's a grade 4 tumor and it's an aggressive form called what we think is medulloblastoma." So they recommended that we go through to the Christie's at Manchester and for Connor to undergo radiotherapy and chemotherapy. So at that point, you kind of made the decision, didn't you, to do 6 weeks?

At this point, I'd already— I think because I already dealt with the initial shock of having a brain tumor, and at this point I've been in this position for like 3 weeks now, I was— a lot was going through my mind in these 3 weeks, and I started to develop this mindset of this isn't the end of me. Like, whatever this is, I'll deal with it and I'll come back stronger. And that's a great mindset.

Yeah. Yeah, that is a very good mindset.

One thing that I always— I'm going to go off topic a little bit here, but one thing it's taught me is mental resilience and the power of believing in yourself. I almost— anyone I meet with a cancer diagnosis now, I always say to him, you have to believe in yourself that you can beat it because I think the minute you tell yourself them words, you're putting it out there and it's like anything that you do in life. If you can't believe you can do something, then you'll never do it. You have to believe that you can achieve something and you can do something in order to be able to do it. It's the first step to achieving anything.

When we were sat in that room with the neurologist, when he told us that it was cancer, again, that was another flip for me. My whole insides just flipped upside down. My sister was with us too, and my good friend Sarah, and we were all tears. And Connor leant forward and he's— the neurologist said to Connor, "You're not out of the woods yet," and Connor's exact words were, 'Oh yes, I am, because it had me against the ropes and now it's my turn.' That's very good.

Yeah, and I just, as much at this point, I just felt like there was no room to start getting upset. The only thing I could do was just deal with what was in front of me, and that was the mindset that I adapted. I just thought, there's no room to be getting upset here and getting worked up. It is what it is sort of thing, and the best way to deal with this is to just believe that I can do it. So obviously, the neurology— it was the surgeon who broke the news to me, the lead surgeon who did my surgery. He was quite a nice guy, very to the point, but I shook his hand before they took me down to that down to the theatre and I basically said, to be told I was having to have brain surgery was just mind-boggling.

It was such a complex surgery as well, you know, being 9 hours where it was situated.

But yeah, the surgeon did an amazing job. Like, my scar is healed very well now. It's on the back of my head, so it's in a good spot. It's really not that visible, to be honest. When I tell people what's happened to me, they can't actually believe it because it's healed so well. And looking at me now, you just would never think that that happened to me. But it did.

No, no. When you, when you went through this process, they wanted to put you on chemotherapy, but you refused, right?

Absolutely.

Yes. So at this point, once I got the diagnosis and the next steps have been laid out to me of how, how the NHS wanted to treat this type of cancer, they made an urgent referral to the Christie Centre, which is a big cancer hospital based in the city of Manchester. So at this point, I think this was around the middle of April 2024, an urgent referral had been made to the Christie Centre, and basically Preston Hospital had handed my case over to the Christie. So the Christie had got in touch with me quite quite quick, and they started to make various different appointments for me to go and start planning to have a treatment called proton beam therapy, which is a new type of radiotherapy that they offer, which is, in my opinion, is a lot better, a lot better and a lot safer than the conventional radiotherapy that most people have to go through. So at this point Preston Hospital basically said to me, we're going to refer the case to the Christie and they can decide what, what to do with this now.

Because it was a rare aggressive form of cancer as well and they hadn't seen in maybe 14 or 15 years, they hadn't had this case of medulloblastoma in Preston. So Connor was like a rare case being handed over to the Christie's and you could kind of tell when we were there like it was a but like, they, they had no data on it. But during this whole time, I'd been doing a lot of reading and research into hyperbaric oxygen, infrared light, pulsed electromagnetic field, PMF therapy, infrared saunas. And then obviously my good friend Sarah had been following a group called, um, Corey Elland, following Corey Elland's group, and it was at this point I joined it and I made contact, and that's when I spoke with Corrie and she put me in contact, and we went from there and we started using cannabis as well as part of the protocol.

Tell us about the protocol, the cannabis that you used. What, were you using it via suppository?

We did, yeah. So it was, um, I used to make the suppositories, um, and Connor did a gram a day and we continued to do it. Um, so he did half gram in the morning, half gram at night, and we continued to do it until he got a few clear scans and then we just kept tapering it down. Um, and Connor just still now uses a maintenance dose. So it's quite remarkable, to be honest.

Yeah, it is. Connor, do you ever use it orally?

I do use cannabis oil via orally as well. Yes, we also, we use CBD, and obviously I've got a THC tincture as well. Yeah, so I do use it orally still as well.

Um, yeah, the, the high you get orally is quite nice sometimes, isn't it?

Oh, there's been many a time where it's almost like a delayed onset. So I've taken cannabis oil at night and then obviously it's hit me whilst I'm asleep and I've come downstairs and my eyes are red, red as blood and I'm like still half asleep and I'm like, I feel like I always say to my mum, God, I feel panned this morning.

Daddy, have you ever done it?

It can be quite intense.

To be honest, I started also using— when Connor started using it as part of his protocol for healing, I also started using it because it helped with my anxiety. Yeah, because during all this time I developed a really bad case of anxiety, and it also— you kind of don't know it's working until that you, you notice that that's— well, something's missing here. And yeah, it was my anxieties got less, you know.

So, or you get, or you get cotton mouth and you think, oh, I'm, I'm high.

Yeah, I did try the THC as well. I did try the, the oil drops sublingually under the tongue. And, um, yeah, there was, there was one particular night I got up to use the bathroom and I was like Oof!

Well, it's interesting because, uh, you know, I think a lot of parents, when they're dealing with a child who has severe illness like Connor had, and, and a number of other parents have dealt with, um, it can create PTSD.

I have actually— I am going through that now, to be honest. Obviously in the beginning I was in fight mode and I don't know how I walked that green mile of the hospital every day, but I did it. And it was only once I sat back and, you know, Connor was at a clear scan number 1, clear scan number 2, 3, 4, 5, and we're on clear scan number 6 now, that it's kind of hit— it hit me last year. And I did, I have been suffering with PTSD.

Yeah, it's the flight or fight and you're in that mode and it's tough to get out. But Connor, you actually look great. You don't look like someone who was near death.

Oh, thank you. Well, yeah, it's, I definitely was at some point, but my life is I would like to say my life is pretty much back to normal now. I've got my driving license back, I'm back in full-time work, and I'm a regular gym goer. I took up boxing and running, so my life's as good as ever. And in a way, I'm kind of grateful for the diagnosis that I've had because it's taught me a lot about life and it's made me a lot more grateful, and I realize what's important in life now.

Yeah, that's, that's extremely important. So you took up boxing. Isn't that, uh, wouldn't that be unhealthy for your brain to get hit in the head?

So when, when I say I take up boxing, I, I just do the training. So I don't actually, I don't do any, any fighting or any sparring or anything like that. Um, the gym that I go to, my friend is a good, is a, is a professional boxer, and he kind of took me under his wing and He just does like lots of training with me with the pads and stuff, but I don't do any physical fighting, no.

For me as his mum, when I sat in the room in the very beginning before the surgery and Connor came in and signed the forms and they said to me, you know, he didn't want to hear what potentially could happen, you know, if things went wrong, but they sat and told me that we have to tell you these things Connor might not walk, Connor might not talk the same, and there's all these multitude of other things that could, you know, could potentially go wrong. So like last year, when I get a video from my son skipping in the gym, I cried so many happy tears that, you know, watching somebody go through what he went through to being able to skip You know, I watched him do 3, 4 10K runs now.

Yeah, I've took running up as a thing I really like to do now. Obviously I don't play. I was massively into playing football, as you might know, soccer.

Yeah.

All my life I was quite good at football and I do miss playing football, but I haven't played football since this has happened to me. So I just took running up now, but I've done a few 10-kilometer competitions and I always donate the medals to my mum at the end of them. So she's got a little collection going on now of the different runs that I've completed with quite a good time as well. So my fitness is better than ever, really. And when we go to these events, my family always come to cheer me on and support me. They all get emotional just seeing how far I've really come in the last 2 years since this happened to me.

Well, do you know, in listening to your story, Connor and Tammy, one of the things I have to say that I've observed is that Connor is wise beyond his years, and he knew exactly what he was doing, and something told him he was doing the right thing. Which is, you know, when I interview people who are very successful in treating cancer, they have the same attitude. And Corrie had the same attitude as well. I mean, the first time she looked at cannabis oil, and when she was given 4 to 6 months to live, she said, 'This is going to save my life.' Yes, it will. And it did. And I think your story is absolutely remarkable, and I hope people around the world the world hear it, and I hope they realize how loving your mother is and how wise you are for a person who's in their early 20s, because people in their early 20s are still going to the pub and getting drunk, and that's not for you. I think you're focusing on your health, and you know that is the most important thing. I want to thank both of you for doing this. I really enjoyed listening to your story.

Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate those kind words. And I'd just like to add that everyone deserves to know the power of cannabis in terms of treating cancer. And I do believe that was the underlying factor to where I am, to why I'm still here now. And the fact that I managed to dodge chemotherapy with all the nasty side effects that I was told would happen to me, and there was a high chance I would have developed leukemia from the chemotherapy drugs the doctors wanted to give me. And all them fat, all of them things that the chemotherapy could have potentially caused for me, I've completely avoided them. And I put that down to choosing to use cannabis instead of chemotherapy drugs. And I know not everyone's story is the same, and there's cancer is quite a diverse disease, but I do think when you get a cancer diagnosis, what have you really got to lose? You've got everything, you've got everything to gain. And I just think cannabis should be— it's such a powerful thing, and it should be legalized in terms of treating cancer. I just think when you get a cancer diagnosis why not throw cannabis at it? Because what— at this point, you've got everything to gain and nothing to really lose anymore. Yeah. And, and I just think it, it definitely helps because I'm not no medical professional, but I've been through a traumatic experience with the diagnosis that I suffered from, and I'm still here to tell a story, and After all the different potential side effects of everything that I may have experienced, I would like to say I've got little to no side effects from everything I went through. My life's amazing now and I'm looking forward to the future.

We're grateful, grateful to you and to Corey and the team for helping share these stories around the world because if it wasn't for you guys, we wouldn't be where we are today either. And especially to Corrie for being, I'll always be forever grateful to that lady. And the people that have also been on our journey, and they all know who they are, you know, who've helped us.

Well, I appreciate your comments and I want to thank you both for doing this. It was great to talk to you.

Nice to meet you.

Thank you.

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