#46: Outside of Work: Running, Boston Marathon, and Sports Radio with Tim McKone

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Exit. So this is a different type of podcast episode. Not going to talk about marketing, not going to talk about B2B marketing, not going to talk about Exit 5. But for a while I've wanted to just podcasting is great. It's a lot of fun. But I want to have some other conversations outside of what we do with Exit 5 and the business and the marketing stuff. And so I've just been thinking more lately which people that I want to talk to just because I enjoy talking to them. There's something that we could learn from talk a little bit about stuff outside of work and so over the weekend. Well, the time is irrelevant from whenever this is going to get posted, but I was thinking about I should have my friend Tim on. Tim's one of my best friends from growing up. He is a sports reporter. He works at 98. 5, the sports hub out of Boston. He's an avid runner and he's just a funny guy. And we have a lot of stories from back in the day. And I want to talk to him about his story, his career, being in the media industry and then talk about running and fitness and whatever else in between. So that's the context for this episode going in. Maybe we'll do these. I don't even know what the frequency of these will be. A lot of people listening to this will be here because they're already listening to the Exit 5 podcast. And so they're here mainly for marketing. But if you're a human or if you're in marketing and you're a human and you listen to this, I think this is something that will be enjoyable just to listen anyway. And maybe this is a podcast that you might now listen to with somebody else, a friend share with somebody else who's not in marketing, or you're somebody who has not been interested in anything that we've been talking about, about marketing. But you want to hear two people talk about something else. You might be here for the first time. So that's what this episode is. And I recorded this intro while I was waiting for Tim to get on the. Get on the invite for this. And I figured I would. I would knock that out now. So I hope you enjoy this episode. Here's Tim. I have a bunch of things that I'm going to ask you, but I'm just going to get right into this. Remember how I was texting you that I've been running more? Yeah, I've run every morning basically for the last four or five days. And it's the first time in my life that I've like, woke up wanting to do that.

Dude, it's legitimately addicting. It's crazy.

So the reason why is because, like, both times, like the first, like when I finished running, like, I just felt A, I had already. It already got me outside. B, it was like a 30 minute, like super efficient way. And like, I know you're the same way, but like, I work out a lot for the mental benefit of it. Like, I just felt fucking amazing. And it was like, I didn't go for like a longer. I did like maybe three miles.

Right.

And so I was like, maybe I don't have to run like 10, 15 miles. Do you think there's a path where, like, can, like, do you know people that just run? Like, what if I just ran between two to four miles like every day? I almost can't imagine not doing it because I'm like, oh, this is like. It's such a little cheat code. Obviously, you're gonna have days where you don't want to, but, you know. Do you know where I'm coming from?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, I'll be honest with you. I do marathons just because, again, like, it gives me. That's more for just kind of a competitive thing. I would say if you're doing, like, 20 to 25 miles a week, you're getting all the benefits. You just talked about training for a marathon, like, ultimately becomes, like. Because, like you said, there are days where you're like, you have so much going on, and then you have to go do 10 miles. You're like this. But that, like, the two to four months, I almost have more fun doing 20 to 25 miles a week than when you're doing, like, 60, 65.

So, like, three. I just did the math. That's like. That's three and a half miles a day.

Yeah.

That feels like maybe for you, like, you can get more miles in, but, like, I feel like that's, like, a nice chunk of workout. Like, you might have gone to the gym in that time, but, like, the bang for the buck of, like, running for 30 minutes first. Like, maybe you'd get, like, two sets of lifting done in that time.

Yeah, no, it's great.

And I. I totally see the. The addicting piece of it now. And I also think you and I were talking about, like, just. There's something about being outside. I don't know. It's. It's very, like. It's, like, almost, like, primal in some way. Like, you're running. You're just, like. All you have is, like, your body, and it sucks for, like, the first five, ten minutes, and then you feel, like, this amazing. Like, oh, shit. Like, I'm out here running. Nobody else is running right now.

No. And even the days when you're like, I don't want to fucking do this, and then once you do it there, again, there's like, that sense of accomplishment. I'll say the other thing about, like, going to the gym and stuff, and we can talk about this a little bit, but, like, I used to get, like, pissed at people. I'm like this fucking guy on the squat rack. Get off the fucking sculpt. You know what I mean? Like, it's the exact opposite of what you should be.

All right, well, okay, for context, Tim and I, we grew up together, like, one of my best friends. Like, going back to being Little. So we have a ton of, like, high school, early college era memories. And Tim and I, like, we used to hang out every day. And the way that we'd hang out every day was we would go, we would go lift, we would go work out. And we were both, let's call it just between the ages of 18 and 23. And during that time, both single. The gym is a fun place to be. And so it wasn't just about the working out now, it was the social aspect of it. And we used to go together every day and we worked out at the YMCA in Worcester and we have more stories about that in a second. But there was only one. And everybody that listened and ever worked out at home, there was only one squat rack and it should be used for squatting. And there would always be a guy. It wasn't even some guy doing. Sometimes it'd be a guy doing curls. Most often it'd be someone doing just something like, completely ridiculous movement. Like, who's doing that? Like, the football guy. Like there was some like, grown man there, like training like a group of like, you know, 10 year olds and they had like ankle weights on and stuff.

It was just. Yeah.

So it's. Right. So if you're on a schedule and you got to go put up with that shit and everybody's tried to go to the gym at like, you know, four or five o' clock and it's just chaos.

Yeah. Oh, and that's one of the reasons I'm working out is try to, like, again, like, get that feeling of just like, all right, there's a sense of accomplishment. I'm feeling good, I'm ready to go. And I. Oh, I'm just leaving with a ton of frustration. Not only am I not good at lifting, I can't lift to start with. Yeah. I gotta wait 25 minutes for this guy that's got a box of chalk to get off the squat rack. So, yeah, no, I'm. I'm with you. I'm with you.

Like, you get over there and it's just like an absolute war zone over there. Like, just no respect. There's just like chalk and everywhere. I'm like, what are you doing? Okay, so when it comes to running, like, you, you've been into running, like, how would you quantify, like, your history with running? I feel like as long as I've known you, you've been a good runner. I don't know that you always loved it. Like, obviously that evolves over time. But, like, I do remember, like, as early as like high school, you were a natural runner in that you could not train for something like basketball practice or cross country. And like you could kind of roll you out of bed and go bang out 3 to 10 miles, which is not true for somebody like me. I'm not a natural. Like, that's not what I do. Is that where it comes from?

Yeah. No. 100. So like I, like you said, so when we were in high school, we obviously didn't have football at the high school that we went to. And so our basketball coach was like, hey, you're not gonna play soccer, you're gonna try to get in shape here for basketball, so go run cross country. And like you said, I was naturally pretty good at it. I hated it with all my heart. I, I, that there wasn't anything fun about running when I was in high school. And no, I didn't like it at all. And so got super into lifting kind of with you, like you said, in that 18 to 23 range. And then I just like, quite honestly, my career got super busy and I fell off working out for a couple of years. And then a bucket list thing of mine was always to do the Boston Marathon. And so right before I was going to turn 30, I was like, you know what, I'm going to do it. This is my, my quarter life crisis type thing. I got into it that year and then slowly, I would say, especially once the pandemic hit, is when I really like ramped it up and over like the last two years. I'm just a huge nerd when it comes to it. I love it and it's a, it's a huge part of my life now.

So it's funny because many of the benefits that you get from running, like the accomplishment, the feeling. Yeah, those are things that like you don't, you're not going for a 10 mile run as a 17 year old for like the mental benefit necessarily.

Yeah, I just need to work some stuff out. Yeah, no, no, that's not really what.

I don't, I don't know if I actually knew that or maybe I just forgot like over the years. So you, you weren't into running? It was because our coach at the time, who remained aimless because who knows where the, that guy is? Honestly.

Yeah, no, like I, I didn't play, like I, we didn't have football, right? No, I, I'm not good at golf. That wasn't gonna be on the table and soccer wasn't it. So it was like just go run in the fall. And so that's how it started. Okay.

So it's so funny. How many marathons have you done now?

So I've done three. We're gonna be doing probably two this year, one in the spring and one in the fall, because really, again, now we're starting to nerd out. You usually don't want to do this guy.

He's just saying we. Like, you're the PGA Tour player in his cat. Like, it's just you, man.

Well, my. Me and my team. Me and my team.

It's like, me. Yeah, we're gonna try to. We're gonna try to play 36 this weekend.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So we got two coming up, which I'm excited.

Okay, so. So by the end of next year, you'll. You'll have done five.

Yeah.

This is what's funny about, like, figuring out, like, hobbies and shit that you're interested in earlier in life. How long was that the loop that. That you used to do, like, at cross country practice in school? Like, three miles. Like, what, Bancroft Tower or something like that? Yeah.

So you were. You were running between probably three and, like, five and a half miles for practice. Yeah. Well, so, Tim, supposed to be. You were supposed to be running between three times, probably clocking in about a quarter. And then I was getting to your car. Yeah.

So I played golf, which is another missed opportunity, I think. It's like, again, you don't appreciate, like, wait a second. Every day after school, I got to go play golf. That's a joke. And, like, I, you know, hated it. It so sucks. But, like, we had kind of weird practice times and stuff, and cross country was always right, right after school. And I lived really close to the school, like, five yards across the street. But I would drive, because when you're 16 and you have your license, you gotta.

That's all you want to do. Yeah.

You never know. You never know who might be in the middle of the day. Like, I don't know, we go to gas station. Like, no one's even going out to lunch.

No, it's just. You just wanted to get in the car. Exactly.

You would text me and you'd be like, I got a long run today. I'm gonna run the first mile, and you're gonna pick me up here. Like, can you pick me up here at, like, this time? And so I would drive. I would pick you up, put you in the car. We would go back either to my house or somewhere else. And then at the end, I would drop you off at, like, the last mile. And so you'd still have a little bit of sweat going. And because you were actually a good runner and you performed well in races. It wasn't like. No, you know, it was like the last.

No.

Yeah. It wasn't like the slowest guy on the team is all of a sudden, like. So it was actually fucking.

It was actually genius that, you know, I was like, I was a daily. Oh, man. Rosie Ruiz. Every single day, that cross country practice just jumped out of the car and pull it up to that last.

Okay, so. So for the. For the 90 of my listeners who don't know the Rosie Ruiz story, can you give us a summary, please?

Yeah, she was a woman that jumped on the. On the tee in the Boston Marathon and then wound up finishing first, and then they had to do a deep dive, and they're like, you, you didn't run this like you did.

That's like, we have a mutual friend and we have a mutual friend.

And.

And in high school, you know, you kind of look at the answers of somebody else's paper. You. You turn in homework. And this friend of ours, he would never. He would copy the answers, and he would always get a hundred every time. And I'm like, dude, you're like, this is the number one way you'd get caught. Like, you. You just. All of a sudden, you just ate. You're an ace at physics out of nowhere, right?

But then pulling like a 50 on. On test. You know what I mean?

Hey, now he's really been trending. Let's. Let's see. Let's do the test. And the test is an F. Like. Yeah, so. And so Rosie Ruiz hopped on the.

T, jumped out first, and they were like, yeah, like, where were you between miles 12 and 24? Yeah.

Was she like a professional runner or famous in some. Or just like a random lady?

Like a random lady. And this was in, like the. Oh, man, I want to say like the 70s or the 80s. I wish I had more info, but it was like, before, it was like, as big of a deal as is now. So people were like, wow. And then, yeah, tough, tough. So my girl. Yeah, my girl was an inspiration for my career.

They asked him the three people he could have lunch with if he could. One of them is Rosie Ruiz, the 1970s cheater cheating winner of the Boston Marathon. So what is your schedule? What is a typical day for you look like now and then? When do you mix and running? Do you have a plan for this? Or you're like, I'm kind of feeling like I want to do X Today, like, how do you go about it?

No. So again, me and my team have put together a thing where I actually.

Your team? You go. You go to YouTube and you look up Nick Barry on YouTube.

That's. That's my guy. No question. No. So it's actually a cool story. So I. I ran a half marathon. This was like I said, I got into it in the pandemic, and, yep, really started to kind of take off, sign up for a halfway.

Actually, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, pre. You really got into it as a hobby. Pandemic. But, like, yeah, you accomplish this milestone of, like, doing this first Boston Marathon and did that kind of like, send you into, like. Oh, I kind of. I like this process more than I thought. I'm going to make this a hobby.

No, like, in all honesty, I've always wanted to run the Boston Marathon, and I wanted to get a really good time. Do you remember this conversation? I said. Because, like you said, I'd always been a naturally pretty good runner, and quite honestly, I did not take the training as seriously as I should have, and I kind of took it like I did in cross country. So I knocked out a few long runs, and I remember I did a. I'd hurt my knee, came back, ran a few long runs, did like an 18 mile long run like a few weeks before, and I was like, I am going to absolutely crush this Boston Marathon. And I told you, I said, I'm gonna get 3:45, and if it's over 4, don't talk to me because I'm gonna be mad. Why don't you tack like another 90 minutes? And that's what I wound up getting. And so it was just a disaster. Just an absolute five hours. Yeah, it was. It was five hours, which for me was like, again, what I'm telling you that I was gon be embarrassed if it was four. Like, you have no idea the level of embarrassment that was in all seriousness, which is like.

Which is so annoying because, like, on the surface, if you just said, like, dude, you wanted to run the Boston Marathon before X age, and you did it, like, the amount of people that can't even do it in five hours. But I remember we were all following you on Instagram and you came out real hot with the Instagram story updates. And, like, you don't ever post much on Instagram at all. And so you're posting a story and you're, like, being funny and like, you know, it's Tim, but you're running a marathon. And we were lee And I were like on the couch, like, this is so great. And then I don't know when it was, but all of a sudden in the middle of the day, the just updates stopped.

We were like, oh, my parents came in, took the train into Boston and they said that they were following me on the app and they were like, did the app crash? Because my guys updates. Because they usually send you an update every five miles. No, it didn't. No, I just ran out of gas. And so it was something that I always wanted to be a bucket list. But part of the bucket list was actually achieving the goal that I wanted to accomplish. And so that's okay.

Hold on. The producer has just come in off screen and she texted me and she said, don't forget to talk about Tim's post marathon outfit. You came into the house that we were at in a button down loafers and jeans maybe 16 minutes after you went for a five hour run.

It's like, great point. It's a great point. It's a great.

I remember we all saw you and like it didn't even seem like you were on the same planet. Like you were there and you were like, I think you had like a Bud Light and some pizza. And I'm like, he's not here right now.

No, no, no. I was on another planet. I was on another planet. And so look, part of me continued to run after that, but then like I said, pandemic, it really started again and then really kind of fell in love with it. And then I said, you know what, I actually want to hit one of these other majors. And then the more you nerd out about it, you find out, hey, Boston is one of six majors similar to golf. And so let's try to find Chicago with Boston. If you're not qualifying, you have to fundraise a ton of money. That's almost a second job. And obviously the people that do it, that's tremendous. But for me, I have so much other stuff kind of going on right now that wasn't really possible. There's other majors you can kind of sign up for through a lottery. And so wound up signing up for Chicago the last two years and training and falling in love with that. And so that's been a fun process. And through that, like I said, I ran half a couple years ago and my old college basketball coach now trains people reached out to me. And now through an app, he's actually my coach. And. And we actually kind of set up my schedule for the weeks, months, and then my marathon training Programs, which has been a lot of fun, too.

Talk about how much having a coach just help you take this thing to the next level.

When I first started running again, Dave, it was just like, all right, I had a 4 1/2 mile loop by my apartment, so I'm just gonna go run four and a half miles, right. And I just ran for as fast as I could at that point. Right. Like, there was no strategy behind it. There was no method behind it. It was just like, all right, this is kind of what I'm doing. And as that's progressed, you kind of learn more about the science and what it takes to actually, not only in terms of fueling and hydration, but also, you know, the effort you want to put in. It's really like an 80, 20 rule where 80% of your runs, you want to be running at a much slower pace than what you would your marathon. And so it's been kind of fun to learn the science behind all this stuff as well. And that just kind of ultimately too kind of goes into, like, what you said. It's become like a true hobby for me. Not just running itself, but also kind of what goes into becoming a successful runner. And. Well, I asked loosely, by the way, but yeah, well, you know, Rosie Ruiz, but no, no. Yeah.

Okay. So the. The reason I asked the question about the coach is because I think, like, that's something that, like, I think much earlier in life, and I have a similar story with. For me, it's very similar to, like, what I'm doing now with golf, which is, you know, we're like, a little bit further along in life now than we were when we were 20. We actually have money to, like, invest things. Like, you know, if somebody was going to tell you you're going to spend $40 a month or. Or whatever it is on, like, a virtual running coach. When you were 22, you'd be like, what? No way. Yeah, and knowing shoes and everything. But I think, like, later in life, it becomes like, the thing that I've told you about golf, which is, like, even more than competing, it's fun to just have a hobby. And you and I have grown up around, in and around sports, and then at some point, like, your career becomes the focus and whatever, and it makes me feel like a kid in some way where it's like, yeah, it makes me feel like I'm in, like, seventh, eighth grade and again, and like, your job is to just, like, play this sport. And so I'm nerded out on the golf stuff, but it Becomes like, later in life that you have this as an outlet. It's like that is your hobby. Don't you feel like it gives you. Not to be corny, but, like, it gives you some, like, completeness outside of your job?

No, it totally does. Like, like we mentioned too, there's just kind of that there's a competitive itch that it scratches for sure. That's huge for me as well. And then there's a sense of accomplishment. And when it comes to the coach, too, it's such a great point because there's stuff. I remember there was a 14 mile long run that I did leading up to Chicago this past October, and it was a disaster and it was a train wreck. And I just wanted to talk to him for 20 minutes on the phone about, like, what happened here? Why did this go wrong? And that type of stuff is just. There's some comfort in that. And then, like you said too, it just kind of takes you back a little bit as well. It's kind of nostalgic that you can kind of go over that type of stuff. I don't know. I. I love it. I love it.

And it's like the mission to get better. Like, it's. It's fun to have something to, like, get better at. And like, what does it really mean in the grand scheme of life? Like, who cares if I get better at golf? It matters. But for me, in my own head, it's like, it's like something that I get to focus on. And I know the same with running, like, it's also just fun to have something that consumes you a little bit in that, like, if you go to my YouTube, I bet your YouTube is all running and running related things. It's like the same thing.

That's all it is.

Or like, if you look at my Instagram, like, for you page, there's no buts. There's no, like, women in bikinis or anything. It's literally golf.

Yeah.

So it's fun to have this thing to, like, obsess over and go down and read about it. It gives you, like, purpose other than, like, I'm just, you know, watching YouTube.

Well, no, and like, golf running is very similar where, like, when you start to stack some days, two weeks later, you're like, man, I can actually see the results of, like.

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What's happened here? And like you said too, me coming back to my apartment and telling my girlfriend that I nailed the 645 splits I was going for, she's like sick, sick, sick.

Bro, what time is dinner?

But no, it's, it's, it's awesome. I like it. Yeah.

What do you want to get out of running? Like, long term? Like, do you, do you see yourself like, oh, I want to be the 80 year old guy that's like still going for a run. Like, do you see it just part of who, who Tim is, like, moving forward?

Yeah. No. 100%. I'm completely obsessed with it. I don't know how long I'll be doing marathons for, to be honest with you, because there's a huge commitment that kind of goes into that if you're doing it right. But I'll be doing those for the foreseeable future. And then I think always running. And even when I can't run anymore, which probably will happen because my technique isn't great, so I'll probably lose both my hips and, and my knees will be shot by the time I'm 50. But I'll always be walking and kind of moving that part of it and just kind of going out for 45 minutes. Like you said, just getting outside and doing that stuff is always going to be a part of it because that's what you said.

You took this dig at yourself about the body, but that just shows like how much you care and know about running now. Because it's like I'm go. I'm gone through this. Last year I played golf my whole life. I've always been like, pretty good. Better than like 8 out of 10 people, but not like a plus, very. I'm not shooting the 60s or low 70s. And this year I finally get a coach. And basically what I learned is that the way that I've been playing golf and swing a club and even hold the club, that I've been swinging in that way for maybe 20 years is completely wrong.

Yeah, it's the same thing. Like, when it comes to running, if you go in the Newton Hills, which is like Heartbreak Hill and a famous thing. Yeah. Go there on the weekends, and I'm like, man, I have been killing it. You will not get humbled faster. There's some of the guys that run by me. I'm like, you are just on a different planet than me right now.

When you, when you said you were on that 14 mile run and it was a train wreck, like, what does that mean? Like, are you like tired or like, you just timed it wrong? Like, what do you. What's the feeling?

Yeah, like, you just know. It's. It's one of those things where like you said, I You're just gassed by the end of it. It should be a 14 mile easy run. Right. So I'm not trying to hit marathon paces. I'm just going out and I'm trying to log those miles. And really what you're trying to do is just build up your aerobic engine. So it's. That sounds lame, but you just want to get your body used to being in motion for two and a half hours. That's not normal. Right. So you might not try to be logging the miles that you would for a marathon, but you want your body to be moving for that amount of time. And we got to like, mile 12, 13. And it shouldn't have been that big a deal. And I'm like, just falling apart. Like, I just run a marathon and it's like, what? Well, what's happening here?

Well, like, did you feel like you were like, you're trying to run too hard at the end to, like, kind of catch that pace?

Yeah, Mel, you just like, I. I don't have, like, anything. And you wanted a distance running. There gets to a point where you just don't have anything left. Right. And so, like. All right, what happened? Well, let's see. You were running at night after a really long shift, after working a night shift. So you only slept a few hours. It was 88 degrees out. Right. And you went out too fast, and so you didn't fuel properly. So, like, no, guy, you fell apart at mile, like 12 or 13. But yeah.

And you know, and you're like, type of stuff. You're 35. You know you're not 20, right?

Like, yeah, yeah, 100. And I. I remember texting with you even a couple years ago, being like, man, it's crazy when you work out, like, again at 20, 21 years old, you go in and lift. I could eat whatever I wanted. I don't think that there was that big of a difference now. Are you kidding me? It's. Yeah, you. Your body is just not going to respond the way you think it's going to.

Yeah. And forget. Forget, like, in the form of like, actual, like, weight gain. Right. Just how you feel after eating that. Imagine it has no impact on your body, but just for the next hour. Look, we used to go to Wendy's before basketball practice.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Didn't matter. Hey, girl. Didn't matter. Now it's a totally different situation. And so, yeah, you just kind of have to factor all that stuff in. And. And like I said, yeah, there's no surprise there that my body fell Apart. But again, it's one of those things where you just are kind of looking for that reassurance and the coach kind of helps you with that and say like, you know, hey, you're like five weeks out from a marathon. Just had a terrible long run. So, yeah, you're gonna get a little nervous about, like, are we where we're supposed to be right now? So it's, it's good, but no, I love it. It's gonna be like you said, it's gonna be a part of me forever.

All right. Give me some basics about running, where I'm at that I probably don't know or I'm not thinking of. Like, take me from, like, give me a couple things.

Yeah. My biggest thing is what I, what I touched on a little bit earlier, which is like, you don't have to just go and run as fast as you can every single day. Like, that's not the way that you're going to get better. Right? So, like, that's funny to think about though. But that's what you do. You just kind of like, right. Like, you probably walk out, you stretch, you walk out your door and then you just run. And then when you're done, you're like, wow, I ran that at eight minutes. And then tomorrow it's like, wow, I ran that at 7:55. And I remember when I first got my coach, because when it comes to athletics, like you, when you want to impress a coach, what did you do? You stayed back and you shot like 100 extra jumpers, right. Or you took like extra BP. And so I remember when I first got with my coach and he puts my schedule in and the first workout was a six mile easy run pace, 8 to 8:45. Right. So you know, my pace is a little bit faster than that. So I go, I'm going to show you. You put an 8, 8 45. I'm going to run this at 6:55.

So how about that?

That's good, right? Like in basketball, I did more than what you wanted, which shouldn't you be happy? And that's the exact opposite of what you should be doing. So like I said, 80, 20. Usually you want 80% of your runs to be a lot easier than what your normal pace is. And then 20% of your runs, you can kind of really go at it. And that's going to make you, make you faster, make you more effective, and then you can kind of stretch that stuff out, man. Like, you'd be surprised. You can run a lot further than what you Think right now and here in New England. Give me winter running over summer. I'm an Irish kid from Worcester. I melt in the heat. I can't do it. So give me win. And running right now over. Over the summer, 10 times out of.

10, even in, like, January, when you got some, like, some debris on the. On the ground, some slush on the ground, like, what do you find? Because I'm about to. I'm. I'm getting into it now, and I don't want to lose it over the winter. So talk me through, like, the winter. Are we okay as long as we're plowed?

Yeah. So as long as you're plowed, like, again, like, Boston is just such an awesome spot because there are so many routes that are going to be plowed. There's a car path along comm in Newton where there aren't cars. It's a road. It's plowed, and you can just kind of go on there, which is huge, and then kind of makes all the difference.

Also, you gave me the great dressing tip the other day, which is dress for 30 to 40 degrees warmer than the temperature because, like, it's just starting to get cold up here, and you go out and you're cold. But then, like, midway through, I got my hat off, I got my gloves off. I'm just. I'm super sweaty. That I found that even just, like, in the last two weeks has been a really helpful benchmark.

Yeah, no, that's the general rule. And like you said, too, because I used to fall into that, where you bundle up, and then you're a mile in and you're like, all right, I got a sweatshirt. I need to lose. I got gloves. I need to lose. Like, what. What are we doing here? You know?

Yeah. It becomes, like, a burden.

Yeah.

And what about. Have you found anything with you? Like, do you have a particular time that you. That is better for you, or does it, like, you got to eat X. You got to have hydrated.

This.

This is going to be your ideal time. Or because of work, you got to.

Bounce it all over. So my schedule shifted over here the last couple of months, but I love just knocking it out early in the morning because, like, you said, too, you just kind of get some energy after you where you can just kind of ride that the rest of the day. Honestly, it's. It's huge. It might.

I, like, I feel like it looms. Whether it's a run or workout, I feel like it looms over me all day. I'm like, oh, I still Gotta do this thing later. And then, like, you don't even get any of the benefit from it when you knock that thing out first and then you go and do your work and everything. That is the best.

It feels great. And I. It's also one of those things too, where after a full day of work and everything like that, you get home and then sometimes that motivation to actually run, like, isn't there. You have other obligations and stuff that you kind of want to take care of. And so I think just to. It's important for me to try to get that in every day. And so, yeah, I usually find that in the morning, that's the time to. To knock it out.

Do you think you'll lift weights ever again?

So it's funny you mentioned that. My job just moved into a new building, and there's an awesome gym in the building where I work. So I. I lifted for the first time in probably three years. This is like a week and a half ago. I could not move my. And I. I lifted. So light. By the way. What did you do? What did you do? Bench.

Bench press.

We're talking free. Free weight, bench press. We're talking like pink weights, the whole deal. Like, I couldn't move my upper body for like a week and a half, man. So we're slowly gonna get back into it. But I would, like. I like, gasped two days after that second day. Soreness was real. That was a real thing.

Yeah, it's so real with lifting and you don't appreciate, like, oh, how much. Used to not even have that.

No, I.

Okay, so you'll mix in lifting a little bit.

That's the plan this winter. I kind of want to get back into that a little bit and start to mix that in along with some running as well. So again, we. We moved into a new building where it has that awesome gym, but it also has a bike path that gets plowed right behind it that I can just hop on afterwards. So it's kind of the best of both world situation here.

Okay, next topic. You talked about work a little bit. How do you describe the journey you've been on in. In your career? What do you do?

So I am a. I am a sports anchor. And it's been a pretty. Pretty weird career for sure. I worked in the summers as a landscaper, and I remember all I did in the summers in college was crush sports talk radio. You were the same way. And I was like, you know what would be an awesome job? If I just did this. Why don't I just do this as a job. And so was a communications major in college. Started out working at a radio station in Worcester, which is where we grew up, and then was doing intermission reports for the AHL team, which is a minor league hockey team in Worcester, and then was doing halftime and post game for Holy Cross football and then did that for a year and then transitioned to some TV stuff in Worcester and then eventually moved on to NBC in Providence, where I was a sports anchor for five years. And then I've been doing sports radio in Boston now for. We're coming up on a decade now, which is just pretty crazy. Pretty.

It's crazy when you, when you frame it like that. Like if we. If this was back in like 2004 when you were like listening to sports talk radio and you're like, this guy's name is Tim McCone. He's been on the air for a decade.

Yeah, it doesn't feel like that for sure. And it's been fun. That was kind of my. Honestly, I know a lot of people are like, oh, I just want to go like national or something like that. My goal was to be on like Boston sports talk radio when I first started. And so I've gotten to kind of live that over the last few years. And it's, you know, I've been at 98,5 for like we said, almost a decade. It really feels like the last like two years, it's kind of gone to, to another level in terms of the opportunities and stuff that I've gotten there, which has been great. I've loved it. It's been great. It's been fun.

And you had some lonely nights. You've definitely put in your time. Like when you're working at that radio station in Worcester, weren't you like doing like overnight? Weren't you like, they're like all strange hours and stuff and be scared of shit?

Yeah. So you're doing like. Yeah, it was in the middle of the woods, this radio station. Literally, I would, I would have to do the AHL games by myself at night. You're getting out at 11, but you're right on Saturdays. I had to tape afterwards. I had to do a 30 minute, just like weekly show on hockey and on like the team itself. But you couldn't get those guys until after the Saturday game. So you're talking with them and then producing all this stuff Saturday night. So you're leaving at like 2:30 in the morning and yeah, it was. I'm sprinting to my car in the middle of the woods because I'm like, this is like straight out of a horror movie here. Yeah, it's been a fun ride. But like you said, too, the schedule is definitely weird. And there's definitely drawbacks to it as well. Like, you know, there's. You work pretty much every holiday, you work nights, you do a lot of weird stuff. So there's definitely some give and take. And as you get older and your priorities change a lot, I think there's a lot of aspects of the job, too, that you kind of outgrow as well. That was put so politely, right? That is true.

Yeah. No, we're not. We don't need to get into that. But 100. Yeah, the more. The more you do something, you're like. And to somebody else, like, they might think, man, this is the dream. This is a dream. And you're like, I. It's so hard. It's such a hard thing I feel like, about getting older is like you just become so jaded that everything that you see for longer and longer, you just become like, you change how you feel about it because, you know, like, you just know too much. Now, can you give context for the size of. For people that don't know the Boston landscape, 95 is the premier station. That's not even a dig. The premier station in the area, but just as like a US scale. Like, just. Can you give some context for people?

Yeah, we're the number one sports radio station in the country.

Flex.

And so. And I say we as like, I am not the person that drives this at all.

I was gonna say, is this the same we that helps you with the running?

No, I don't have. Trust me, I'm a minor, minor, minor part to that stuff. But to give context, like, we. Yeah, again, the two to six show, which is our premier drive time show, their ratings, they've been doing around a 25 and then 25 to 54, which means that one out of every four guys that are driving around in their cars in the Boston area that are listening to the radio are listening to 95, which is. I mean, if you're doing like a 9, 10 or an 11, that's a monster number in radio. It's a monster number. And they're doing 25. Like, that's not normal. That's not something that happens. So, look, there are a lot of different factors that kind of go into that and why that number is so high. But yeah, it's been a really exciting.

I mean, I think kind of work at it.

Just.

It speaks to, like, the. The area like not only did you get a job in sports media, but, like, you happen to do it in your home state, in your hometown, which also happens to be the best market. You could do this. I mean, that's the dream. Like, that part is cool.

No, it's. It's been like, look, obviously the Patriots down a little bit this year, but for the most part. And people will tell you, by the way, there's a lot of guys in Boston that are like, I'm being dead serious. I don't have this job right now if Tom Brady isn't in Boston. Right. Like, the rise of the Patriots and everything. Rise of the NFL over the last, like, 20 years there. That's a. A huge reason why there's a lot of people in the Boston market, like you said, too. Just from a sports perspective, it just. It does matter more in Boston. There's more people that are invested in that than other markets. And so it's been, like you said, it's just kind of hitting the lottery in terms of getting in. In and getting involved with the sports radio station at the right time in the right market. Yeah.

And, like, to your point earlier about, like, having this happen at this time in your life and, you know, the hours are shitty, but, like, you know, I think you. You were able to also grow fast in this world because you were like, yeah, I'll take the Thanksgiving morning shift. I'll take this morning. Like, I'm. I'm here. I. I feel like you just always, like, ate up the shifts, and I think, like, it's a good. A lot of people listening have different careers of all types, and it's like you just kind of said yes to everything in front of you. And, like, now it's kind of given you the ability, like you said, to be a little bit more in the driver's seat. Right.

Well, and that's the same thing that kind of goes with everything. Like, there's give and take to everything. Right. So, you know, people say that, like, all right, well, you know, media is a changing landscape, and it 100 is, you know, like, we weren't listening to podcasts, you know, a decade ago that just, like, wasn't really saying. Now it's. I would say the vast majority of people are listening to podcasts more than the radio itself, but there's also opportunities that have presented themselves because of that changing landscape. I've been lucky enough to do it, and I think the more that you can do, too, and the more versatile you can be when it comes to media, whether it's being able to also do video and do podcasting and do all this different stuff. Just going to open up so many doors for you and so many more opportunities. And that's kind of been the way that I've been able to do it as well, whether that's through the TV side as well as the radio side. And that type of stuff has given me flexibility throughout my career and, and it's helped lead to some, to some success for sure.

You've also had to learn, it's not like you're just like some guy who likes sports and like had hot takes and like in front of the microphone, like, you've almost built a more, a very well rounded skill set where like, you've been like cutting your own stuff since the beginning. You've gotten into the technology side, especially in an industry where like, a lot of those people didn't ever have those skills. They were just like the blowhard in front of the mic. You're like the new generation of like, in the social media era of what this looks like.

Right? Right. And so like a lot of people say it's a changing landscape. Like everyone used to say, even when we were graduating from College in like 2010 for me, oh, well, your first TV job, you have to move to Montana. You have to move to a small market in Alabama and work your way up for three years. And then maybe you can come back to like Kansas City. And then maybe after that you can come back to the New England market and do stuff. And the reality of the situation is like, yes, you know, things aren't the way that they used to be. If you're on air, you can't just be on air anymore. You have to do multiple things. But the fact that you can actually bring multiple things to the table means that you can also skip some of those steps in terms of getting to the places that you wanted to get to as well. So there's definitely a give and take when it comes to that type of stuff.

Obviously you can't like, share, like, you're not going to incriminate yourself or share your future plans. But, like, what. Just even as a friend, I'm just curious in knowing, like, what do you, what do you think you're going to be doing in a, in a decade, a decade from now? Like, are you going to be like the guy who was on air for 20, 30 years or do you see like a different path that you're starting to like, carve out?

Yeah, I think there's, I think it's A changing landscape, like you said. Right. So, like, I think if you just kind of look at the way that media is going as a whole and how people are kind of consuming content, I think you can kind of see the landscape changing. And so the fact that you have and can do multiple things, again, kind of open some doors up for you in a flexibility sense, that they kind of make sure that you can kind of stay relevant. And again, in an ever changing type of world, like, you've seen as well, like, just building the stuff that you built so far 10 years ago. I don't know if that's possible. Right. Like, what's your platform in terms of reaching, like, a mass audience without podcasting or doing video and stuff like that? It's totally different than what it would have been if you tried to do all this stuff in, what, 2005, 6, 7. I don't know how you would go about it then. And now you've built this kind of monster through a platform that, again, I don't think was really around just a few years ago. Yeah, yeah.

What wasn't around? Or, like, people didn't know how to navigate it. And we're similar in a lot of ways. I didn't have this drawn up, and I think people obsess over, like, how are they going to do this thing? Which tools are they going to use, which platform they're going to use? I just happen to have an idea and, like, you just like, I think I have a bias for just, like, trying. Like, you do too. Like, just getting done and just, like, going for it. And like, okay, I have this idea. I'm gonna try it. And you just keep building. And now people ask questions, they're like, oh, why did you choose Patreon versus this versus that? I'm like, that has nothing to do with it. It's like, go. Go back to, like, you have to have a sense of, like, where things are going. And yeah, to be able to build a platform on this is like, I'm literally. I. I don't work for anybody. I work for myself in. In my house. And that's what, that's what I do at this point in my life. I don't know if I'm do this forever. Well, I'm not gonna do this forever at this point in my life, like, with my kids are this age, it has allowed me to like, spend as much time with them and just kind of like, work a little bit from.

My house every week. It's pretty good. Don't you think that doing it though, just like you said, just actually doing it is night.

I.

To me, that's like 90 of the stuff.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah. And then it's not even to be like cornier, like be inspirational to people. Like, it is just. That is at least how I have always learned for. For better or worse. Like, I hadn't always terrible at math. Always terrible at math. Only reason I'm okay at math now is because I've have to do it for my own business. And like, when it matters for you, you gotta figure it out a little bit more, right?

Yeah. No, 100%. 100.

And so, yeah. So like to be able to like, learn by doing. And I think, like, there's a lot of platforms out there. You had mentioned. I'm gonna put you on the spot. I hope that's okay. But you, you're like, I want to do. I would love to do something running. Like, what. What do you think that could be? And like, what's exciting to you about that?

Look, it's something that a few other people have done as well, but I ultimately, I want to qualify for Boston when I run a marathon. Right. And so that means that you have to run a sub three marathon, which I think is possible for me, but also that's going to be really hard to do. And so I kind of want to chronicle what it takes to get there. And I think that that would kind of be a cool way of looking at someone that's an amateur runner trying to. Again, if you're just qualifying for Boston, that's an unbelievable accomplishment. By no stretch of the imagination though, are you not still, like, you're still an amateur runner, if that makes sense. But I think that's kind of a cool angle to take and just kind of show you again the progression that it takes. And not only that, but just doing that and also kind of sharing some of the stuff that I've learned here over the last couple of years as well, because, oh, I love it kind of more because you get kind of more into it, you learn more things. And, and a lot of that, like you said, just doing it, by the way, running and kind of figuring stuff out, what works for you, what doesn't. And then it's crazy. You start to look some of this stuff up and you're like, oh, I'm not the only one that like, has had that issue. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's, that's a common thing. And so it's kind of trial by fire with a lot of this different stuff. But that's kind of the angle I want to take. I'd like to start kind of podcasting and doing some video to go along with that stuff. But that's. We're gonna find out about Chicago actually tomorrow. Not to date your podcast, but we're gonna find out about tomorrow. And then from there, I think we're gonna. We're gonna start to get going on some of this stuff.

Oh, I love that. I love that. So you see it as like a set period of time and you're going to document the. The process. What do you think the format would be? Like? You mentioned YouTube and podcasts. Is it like a consistent podcast? Is it vid? Like, are you going to video stuff yourself on the run? Like, what do you think?

Yeah, so I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna cry in a chronicle, probably the week as it goes. Right. And so a lot of that's going to be video. So I'll kind of lay out what we have planned for that week. How I go about maybe one week is how I go about attacking a long run. What kind of like, gels and fuels am I using on that long run? How does it go?

So one, you'd put out one video, you'd get footage all week and then make one video.

Yeah. So I would probably do like a. Again, really put me on the spot here. But my thought is I'll put out daily content for sure. And then I'll probably put together one big video kind of recapping the Week on YouTube or something like that. But just.

I'm asking you so many questions because I have. I gotta tell you something similar and have you thought about, like, is it going to be like, under your name or is it going to be like sub 3? Something like what?

I think it's going to be under my name with probably. We already have an Instagram handle. It's Tim McRuns. No big deal. Yeah.

Oh, that's great. Okay, so it's not. That's not really your name. It's like. It's like a gimmick. Tim McRun. So you're like Mr. Beast. Yeah.

Yeah. So we're gonna. We're gonna go with that. We'll do it. I'm excited about it and we'll see how it goes. But no, I think there's a. Like, you mentioned. I think part of it's just doing it. But there's definitely. And I've seen people that do it and they're wildly successful at it. Yeah. And it's really like, and I also think I can put my own. I can also put my own spin on it, I think.

Yeah, but, like, you're. You're like, a good. You're a good person. You're funny. Like, you'll have a good take on it. Like, if you be you and do it, I think it'll be awesome. And, like, you don't know what success might mean. Like, it doesn't mean that you're gonna be famous and quit all your jobs and, like, have a running YouTube channel. But, like, what if, like, one company finds you and wants to send you, like, a pair of shoes? Or, like, you meet three other people from Chicago? Like, there's. There's many benefits of it. So I think it's great. Let me ask you this question. So you're gonna put out daily content. So it's gonna be on Instagram, make real. Like, okay, I. I think that's great. And then you'd have a podcast. Like, would you talk? Would you have guests on or something?

Yeah. So with my coach that I brought up before actually has a weekly podcast, and we kind of did a few leading up to Chicago this past year. And so I'll probably do something similar to that where we can kind of bring in certain guests. And whether that's my coach to kind of break down how the week went, or it's other people that have actually qualified for Boston, how they kind of went about it, I think that there's definitely some, like, meat on that bone that I think would also help, like, amateur runners that are trying to get into it, whether that's your first. First, you know, marathon, whether it's. You're. You're trying to qualify for something or trying to set a pr. I think there's a lot of valuable information that they can kind of get out there, which I'd be excited about.

Do you have any concerns about filming yourself while you're running? Are you going to just film it all with your phone?

Yeah. So can I be honest with you? Like, my biggest concern is that it's my time, dude. My.

My hundred percent.

My is my, like, time myself for an hour. And I am nervous about the fact that doing this is going to take away from that time. Okay. Get to myself.

So I've thought about. I've had this, like, same exact idea for golf. Like, in the same way, like, I'm working to become better. Like, I could document my journey to become a scratch golfer. I got the time to do it. I can actually, you know, it would be sick. Ah, God damn. You're gonna. You're gonna, like. If you do this, you're gonna make me do this. Because I keep going back to these two excuses that I have. Number one is like, golf is my time. I see what's happening on YouTube and I'm like, I totally could be doing that, and it'd be fun, but I don't want to intro. Like, I gotta introduce the camera into all my golf. Now it becomes like, this kind of.

Like, ah, it's the same thing as me.

Yeah, I. I love it. Like, I like.

Right.

Like, you like going for a run because you're not on your phone for. For an hour.

Right?

And I don't want to, you know, like. And all these people that make, like, great vlogs or Instagram, that means, like, that they're. They're filming every shot and moving the thing around. And I've done. I mess around with Sam. Like, you've seen some of my videos and stuff. Like, so that's one thing. Maybe it's three things. Two, the. The other thing is, I'm afraid of, like, turning this thing that I like, into a chore and into a burden and, like, getting on the content wheel of, like, ugh, I gotta go make golf stuff. I also sometimes ride the highs and lows when I'm. If I played really well, and I'm like, man, you should do this. But I have a. Like, I play really bad, or I'm not into golf in the moment. I'm like, what a waste of time. Do something that's more productive. And then the last thing I'll shut up is just a little bit of, like, imposter syndrome.

Right?

There's got to be 50 million other people out there who could do this. And I'm not sure I want to expose myself like that, coming from someone who's built a whole business on these channels. But you know where I'm coming from with all that.

No, that's like you said, too. Like, I'm not the first one to think of this. I've seen a million of them. I follow a million of them that have this. Have the same thing. But I'll say this, like, for running. I watch a lot of those channels, and every single video I see, it's like, hey, just smashed it. Like, I just nailed. Well, no, there's no way. Every single workout you. You have is good. There's no way. And so I think that you can definitely bring something to the table in terms of that. But you mentioned it. Like, there are plenty of days where I'm like. Like, I'm all set. I'm tired. I had a terrible day at work. I'm over it now. Not only do I still have to run, but now I have to go. Like you said, I have to go set up my phone, run past it, Go, run, grab my phone, and then after I hit that mile, split, grab my phone and go first mile 7:35, right. Second mile. So, like, I. I don't know. That's. It's a lot, but I think it's worth a shot. Like I said, it's. It would kind of be a fun project for me, and. And we'll see how it goes.

I think you should do it. I really think you should do it. I'll be your biggest supporter of it. You got to do it. I think it'd be great. And, like, you don't have to do it forever. It's like, you're doing it for this one season and seeing where it goes. But, like, what if it could lead into other things?

You could.

You could end up having your own running podcast. It becomes this, like, super cool thing, and you build the platform. There's. It also makes you appreciate, like, you and I. I know you love Nick Barry, and his. His YouTube content is just insane. Like, he. You know, he's obviously got someone that's with him filming everything. He has to. Like, he's not.

I mean, like, there'll be shots where, like, he, like, opens up the garage and then gets in his truck, starts the truck, and I'm like, wait, that means that you then just got out of your car and. Oh, yeah. And grabbed your phone.

Like, no, I forgot. He does. Yeah, he does most of his own. He does most of his own stuff. Yeah, he. He likes films himself while he's running, but.

Yeah.

Or I'll talk about that when we watch, like, a Casey Neistat, like, vlog or something. You're like, what it took to get that shot is really annoying.

100. No, but.

All right.

I give him all the credit because, like, you said, too, that that's a lot of work to put together that stuff. There's no question about it. So. Yeah.

And are you going to edit yourself? Like, do you want to oversee this?

One of the. Yeah, that's one of the things that. One of the few skills that I bring to the table, I think.

But that would. That, to me, is the fun part. Like, if you do do it and you do get all this footage, and then it's like Saturday morning, and you're like, I'm gonna go. That must be the fun part. Which is like picking the music, picking the transitions, finding the funny stuff that you said. Like, it also becomes this creative art beyond, like a vlog about running.

No, for sure it's cool. And like you said, it's going to be fun because in that sense as well, like from start to finish, it's kind of my thing, so I can kind of put my own spin on it. And like I said, I'd like to do one where it's not just every single run is the best run that's ever happened. And I'm gearing up. So I think you'll see kind of the best of times and the worst of times for sure. Because my diet, there's still plenty left to be desired. There's no question about it. So there's plenty of days when that fueling is not going to be ideal.

Yeah, but like, you got it. You gotta, you gotta live. You gotta, like, enjoy. Like, eating is fun. You got to enjoy the things that you want to eat. And then you run marathons. I mean, it doesn't mean you can go have Wendy's before you go run a marathon now.

No, but there's a difference between that and being the Liver King. Like you said. Now maybe like, to get sub 3, I might have to juice up like my guy, the Liver King, but we'll, we'll see. We'll find out.

How great is that? Did you. The apology is better than the, is better than the actual thing.

Oh, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah.

And it always ends up this way. Okay, well, I'm gonna, we're gonna wrap up in two minutes and you'll, you can, we'll do this again maybe when you, when you get the show live. But this is completely random. But I need to talk to you about this. Give me your reaction to Coach Prime.

Can't get enough of it.

Cannot get enough.

I mean, if you're like an SEC school that was looking for. I can't believe you wouldn't hire him in. Like, instantly makes your program relevant.

Okay, so I, I, you know this about, like, I haven't watched much sports, like, at all, like, in the last couple years ever, lately. And you and I joke around about stuff, but for some reason the last week I've been like, watching every Coach prime video. Oh, my gosh, the video of when he went, when he took the job and he went to the, the Colorado locker room is incredible.

Pretty much like, see ya.

Did you see the looks on their faces? And this one guy's like, I'm coach. What about. What about the injured people? And he's like, we gonna hug and say goodbye? Amazing. And then he looks right at the. Like, and then, like. And he's, like, talking about how, like, he's the best at social media and, like, they're gonna make everybody famous. And he just keeps saying, I'm coming. Like, absolutely. Can't get enough of it. And I think he. Coach prime, might be the thing that's gonna get me. I'm gonna get a Colorado Buffaloes hat. I'm going all in on.

I'll tell you what. I work with a guy, Ted Johnson, that played at Colorado. And over, like, the last six months, all he talks about is like, this program is like, we're irrelevant right now. Nobody's talking about us. And instantly, over, like, the last 72 hours, that line, too, where he says, I'm bringing my luggage. We met his players, and it's. Louie.

It's so good. It's so good. But, like, the faces, like, it's pretty real, though. Like, the faces of the kids in that room that are like. And. And, like, he's so. He knows every. Like, he has such, like, cachet. Like, he's gonna go, obviously, go and get great, great people.

Yeah.

And then they're like, the one. The one guy was like, oh, are we gonna keep the strength and conditioning? Coach Prime's like, I don't know. Probably not. Like, he's just coming in with carte blanche to just, like, do it. And he has just. He's so amazing. Like, he. And he just has so many. Like, he's amazing figure, like, he's like a cartoon character. He just has, like, these liners, and, like, it's amazing. I can't. I can't. Coach prime is like, my number one Instagram follow right now.

No, it's the best. And like, you said, too, like, there's so many coaches that would come in, and you, like, you want to be politically correct, and, like, maybe behind the scenes, you talk to players, you're like, hey, we're changing things up. You can't be here anymore. And for him to be that blunt and just kind of come out and say it is, like you said, it's just not something that you see.

No, it's. It's like, I. It's exactly what you said is, like, to be blunt, like, and, you know, we're in the era of just, like, the ultimate more than ever, like, political correctness, and everybody's arguing about this and that all the time.

Hold on.

I got to read you this last quote, and then we'll. And then we'll hang up. But he posted, he had this one line and he's like, if your child is extra sensitive and don't like to hear the truth, I'm not the coach for him. Hashtag Coach Prime. How great is that? Like, how great is that? In the area where everything has just gotten so, so out of control, Coach prime is here to save us.

Yep. Oh. Like you said, big Colorado. Big Colorado fan.

No, I am now. I am now.

Yeah.

Now watch none of the games. All right, Tim, this is so much fun. We'll do it again.

Yeah. 100. Okay. All right.

Bye.

Bye.

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