Vibrations of Healing: Unlocking Spirit, Sound & Self

Welcome to the Neogenesis Nutrition podcast, where science meets spirit in the pursuit of true healing. I'm Dr. Jennifer Champion, clinical nutritionist and founder of Neogenesis Nutrition. And here we don't just talk about symptoms, we uncover the root causes. Each week, we dive deeply into the connections between food, mood, hormones and healing. Whether you're navigating burnout, hormonal chaos, chronic illness, or just trying to feel like yourself again, you're in the right place. Get ready for raw conversations, expert interviews, and real life strategies that empower you to take back your health, body, mind and spirit. Because healing isn't just possible, it's your birthright. Let's get started.

All right, welcome back, listeners. I am Dr. Jennifer Champion, your host today, and I can't be more excited than I am right now to have Dr. Deanna Minick joining us today. I have known Dr. Minick for years and the fact that we're even friends is pretty impressive because when I was in her class as a student, I basically told her that none of this, you know, head and mind and body stuff was valid. And she shot back some resources and I said, all right, I like this woman. So we have kind of developed a friendship since I've graduated, but I'm going to allow her to introduce herself to you in her words. So, Dr. Deanna Minick, will you please take it away and introduce yourself to our listeners?

Sure. And since we're friends, call me Deanna. And I'm going to call you Jennifer. You know, it's funny, I just have a big smile on my face having this conversation with you. You know, you always make me laug staff and just seeing your journey has been very inspirational and I really love what you're doing out there as it relates to women's health and hormones. It, it's, it's intellectually engaging and very inspiring for people. So great work. I love it.

Thank you.

So, yeah. So who am I? So I have been a nutrition professional for some time. I'm actually kind of a nerdy researcher type of person. So I have a Master's and a PhD in science related fields. And after I finished my PhD, I went on to work in the food industry. Believe it or not, I wanted to actually see what it was like to work alongside some of these giants to see if I could affect change. And I did that for about three years and then I went off to, I started moonlighting. I started working in a clinic. I started seeing clients together with a psychiatrist and a chiropractor. I learned about dietary supplements because that wasn't something that I learned as part of my training. And then I became enamored with a company by the name of metagenics and met Dr. Jeffrey Bland, who we all endearingly know as the father of functional medicine. I had the honor, the privilege, blessing, whatever we want to call it. It was really quite remarkable that I had the opportunity to work alongside of him for over a decade. So I worked with him at Metagenics. I did education, worked in the clinic, formulated products, really got to know about nutrition from a different angle that we would call functional medicine. And I would say that while I was engaged in all of this science, I was also doing more artistic things. Kind of like you. You know, I started my journey down this road of looking at colors. I had my own health issues that I was wrestling with and trying to figure them out based on what I was learning and what I knew. And so I would say, at the end of the day, I guess my archetypes are. And I've been told this by a variety of different, I would say coaches and other people that I've worked with over the years. I would say that I'm connected into being teacher, mentor, nutritionist, but also beyond nutrition. You know, one of my, I would say, passion areas is spirituality. And I like to fuse things together. I like to disrupt things. That was one of the things that I always learned from Dr. Bland was how to look at things with a bit of a different eye. So even though my background has been in nutrition, I would say I'm not like a lot of the nutrition influencers out there. I mean, yes to a lot of the standard information, but as you know, I like a little bit of a different twist, a little bit of a different angle. You know, my first book that came out in 2008 was talking about chakras and food. Just to put it in perspective. You know, some. Most people now know what chakras are, but at the time, I remember being told that I was on the bleeding edge, and it was kind of like out there, what I was doing. So that that's who I am. You know, science and spirituality is my thing. I connect them with art. I connect them with different ways of thinking. But I want to bridge those two things. I would say in the second half of my life, that's kind of my reason for being now.

I love that. And I think that's one of the reasons that I find myself kind of intuitively drawn to you, is that we have that kind of yin Yang balance where sometimes. And you've mentioned this about me in the past, about how fiery I am and how root chakra I am. And of course, my initial reaction is like, no, wise. I'm all purple, you know, which is why I surround myself with so much purple. But I do love that you can kind of create that balance. And, and I do think that there is such an. A need to bring spirituality back into the healing space. It isn't just about a supplement, isn't just about the food we eat or a medication that we need to take or we've been told we need to take. You know, it's. It's about all of this encompassing who we are.

Absolutely. In fact, most of the conditions or symptoms or the ailments that we feel and experience, many times they are a spiritual crisis. Which really begs the question, do we need to start thinking about spiritual fitness? You know, of course we've got to get kind of like the basics down pat, you know, food, physical activity, sleep, stress and all of that. But I do think if you start to look deeper into a disease or something that turns our balance in a different direction, we need to start looking at the symbolism, the deeper meaning of it, and our overall spiritual connection to a sense of purpose and meaning. And that's really where I've gone, you know, because nutrition is, you know, after a while you're kind of like, okay, been there, done that. I see those connections. And yeah, nutrition is important, and I'm not dismissing that. But I do think that we are many layered individuals. And of course, you're not just the root chakra, by the way. We have chakras that are very emphasized and kind of like where we feel comfortable. And then there are chakras that we don't feel comfortable in and where we need healing. And so using color can help to divine where we are on that spectrum. And I often like to ask people, like, well, what is your favorite color? Because that color goes into the colors they're wearing, the colors they surround themselves with, the colors they're eating. And actually, color is a vibration. Right. We are now learning much more about how healing is more than just physical matter. It's more than just bringing in organic, healthy, nutrient dense foods. We need to be looking at the sounds around us, or the light, the photons we expose our eyes to, or even the darkness. Right. So I think that we're living in a time of great change. You know, even looking at studies, looking at cells and how they can change based on experience, exposure to certain kinds of sounds. You and I were going back and forth with different hertz type of sounds. It's not music per se. It's like it's. It's a sound. It's a resonance that can change the frequency of cells and our bodies, we respond to that. So, yeah, lots of different things there. But I think we're evolving in terms of where we've been with medicine and needing to come out of that and into more subtle aspects that can be beneficial.

I. I love that I. I've tried on multiple occasions to do some sound healing for myself, and if it's a metal bowl, I'm good. If it's a crystal bowl for the singing bowls, for whatever reason. And maybe there's something, you know, on the spiritual plane for me that is so resistant against the crystal bowls. But, you know, I love that you can bring in some other options. I know when. Whenever I have a client come into the clinic, they are almost dumbfounded that we have other options here, you know, in terms of, like, hypnosis or I do Reiki with them or even just putting them on the biomat for some infrared to be able to heal. And there's always soft music playing in the office. Despite what my chaos coordinator would love to have us be playing, there's always a. There's always a reason to the things that we feel drawn to. So I'm curious. I know you and I had a conversation briefly recently about the sound healing and how you're feeling very drawn to that. How is that playing out for you? If you're comfortable sharing with the listeners, how is that playing out for you in terms of your own journey?

Well, I think I'm just bringing it in more. And for. As an example, even for Christmas, I was gifted with a gong. So you and I saw each other right before Christmas, and I didn't know I was getting a gong from a friend. And so somehow he was tapped into the fact that I was connecting into sound. So I got a gong. I have one of my favorite bowls, which is a metal bowl. You described a metal bowl. I have tuning forks, which I've had a long time, and sometimes I use those. Sometimes I even use those on our cat because they're more subtle. And cats are really in tune with the finer, I would say, especially the cat. I have Leilani. She's really in tune with more subtle vibrations. Sometimes it's just listening to music, though, too. I mean, the science of music is that it's beneficial for the brain. It can help to synchronize the different hemispheres of the brain. It can help with emotional aspects. I notice that for myself sometimes I'm walking, I'm doing like my daily walk. Maybe the sound is coming through. Listening to a podcast on my headphones. Or maybe I'm not listening to a podcast and I'm listening to nature. I think it's sound. It's kind of like food, right. Where we have a whole buffet of different options within food and supplements. It's the same thing with sound. And I do think that we have a whole range of different things that we could be doing there. And even if we look on the flip side of that, like on the other side of the spectrum, what sounds do we want to avoid? You know, there are studies that actually show that people who live closer to, I would say like city noise or disruptive sounds throughout the day, not your typical white noise or nature sounds, but kind of the industrial sounds. Right. That we would be subject to in a city that they have more risk for things that would be connected to their brain health. And even further on, looking at cognitive impairment. So yeah, sound is powerful. And we could say that these are some associations, maybe not causal, but there is a connection there of a soothing voice versus hearing nails down a chalkboard.

They could both affect us. Yeah, yeah, the nails on the chalkboard, that would motivate me to do some things that might not be legal. So I. I grew up in Southern California and my house down there was probably about a mile ish from a major freeway. And when I moved up to Port Orchard, the thing that I missed the most was the sound of the freeway. Really? Yeah, that constant moving to Port Orchard, which is in Washington. For those listeners who are not here in Washington with us, it was very quiet and it was almost unnerving. But what I realized was this was a space for me to be able to kind of slow down. Right. When we think about a freeway, when we think about even just LA in general, it's hustle and bustle, the rat race, the constant movement. And now I'm in a new space where there's new sounds and sometimes what felt like no sound. Like the first time I heard snow, you know, if you can wrap your brain around hearing snow. Right. But it was, it was like this deafening silence that I was like, what is going on? Like, who hit mute? I thought I was using my hearing. And of course I've got this little 8 year old boy and I'm like, do you hear that? And he's like, hear what, mom? He's like, are you losing it? That's already gone don't worry about it. But can you speak to just maybe the concept of slowing down and being able to hear some of those sounds that we either take for granted or we've maybe never noticed?

Well, I really like your example, you know, the contrast of going from a more urban environment where you have that constant traffic noise, to all of a sudden having nothing, so there's nothing in between. There's just like all the noise to no noise, and then going deeper into the silence. So I think for myself, I had exactly the same situation. So I grew up in the inner city of Chicago. A lot of hustle and bustle. And in one of my childhood homes, we actually lived on a very busy road. Not a freeway, but it was a pretty well trafficked road. A lot of, you know, just consistent traffic. And I would wake up to it, I would go to bed with that sound. And I never thought much about it, quite honestly. And I always had this urge that I wanted to live on the West Coast. Ever since I was 13. I actually made, you'll appreciate this. I made a T shirt and I drew all these little symbols on it. And one of the symbols, and I still have this T shirt said go West. I was like, I drew a little pink convertible. I was like, I'm getting out of here. I'm getting out of Chicago. I'm going to the West Coast. And so here I am on the, in the, on the west coast in the forest. And the contrast was, was great. Now when I first moved to this area, and my, my husband Mark laughs about this because every weekend I had to go into Seattle, I had to get into the city because it was just too jarring. It was too much of a contrast. And it was like, I need to be around people. The noise, the hustle, the bustle. Like, I actually thought I worked better that way. But then after kind of trudging into the city every weekend and having that experience, I realized this is such a waste of time. Like, I'm starting the. Is growing on me. I'm getting mossy. I'm into fairies now and I'm really loving it. And now it's funny because we live in the same area that, that you live in, and we live on five acres with a lot of trees. And now my hearing is so in tune and I can actually hear traffic, even though we're in like a very rural area. It's almost like. Well, it's like my hearing has become more. I don't know if it's sharp or I can detect other sounds. Where I may not have had that discrimination if I was in a city where everything just sounds like one big bubble. Like it's just a lot of noise now. It's like, oh, I hear that. You know, I walk around the property, it's like, oh, I could hear this really far away. And you know, we hear owls. And I think for me the most healing part is natural sounds. Whether it's an owl. Like lately Mark and I have been listening to owls on our property and he's even been taping them and weaving that into his music, which I think is really cool. Like the mating sounds of owls. And it's very like a little like Zeppelin.

And the mating sound of owls makes.

It very unique, you know, and who knows what kind of medicine that is for us, right? You look at shamanic traditions, nature based type of spirituality, there's a lot of use of sound, whether it's a rattle, a drum. Nature sounds. Yeah. So my favorite is I'm walking in the neighborhood, I'm listening to birds. And you know, if you, I really like what you said actually about listening to the sound of snow because even within silence there is sound. And I do think that the more we go into that silence, the more like everything becomes super acute. Like we can, we can hear our own heartbeat. You know, if we are really in tune, maybe we're sitting in the sauna where it's enclosed and we just start meditating, we could start to really tune into our own sounds. So, yeah, that's the other thing I like in conjunction with sound though is light. Because light really speaks to the color. And you know, in some different traditions, color tracks to certain sounds, tracks to certain, you know, nanometers of light. And so I think those two together are actually like a great way to couple subtle energy fields and healing. Personally.

Yeah, yeah, I, I think. And I mean, you obviously know me, but you also know my wife and the health struggles that she's going through currently. But one of the Christmas presents that she got me this year is a indoor hydroponic garden.

Love that.

Yeah. So for me, like I, I love the vibrations of the plants and the plant world. And that's something that I've learned since being up here and kind of finding my own way. But the best thing for her of this is that this garden from 6am right, wrong or indifferent. Good grief. Starts emitting full spectrum light just like the sun to mimic.

Right, right.

So for her and struggling with depression, it's been such a huge aspect of keeping those symptoms at bay, you know, in our ten and a half months of gloom up here. So, yeah, I mean, I can definitely see how light and sound, you know, are such healing forces to our body. And we have really, as a society, been pulled away from it. Right when. When you're talking about listening to what most people would call nothing, you know, it's a way to shut that dopamine addiction off and just be as scary as it can be sometimes.

Well, in all of the molecules, like you said, dopamine, that made me think of this, but all of the biological molecules that are connected to light and darkness, you know, we, there is an actual physical connection. It's not just the eyes see light or no light or full spectrum light. We now know that. I mean, especially for me with melatonin, which has been an area of my research and focus over the past two years or so, you know, the eye is such a vehicle to the brain. So whatever the eye is seeing, you know, we can manipulate that. We can wear glasses, we can wear sunglasses, we can wear red light glasses, orange light glasses, yellow tinted glasses, masses. We can start to change the perception and the signals to the brain. And one of the things with melatonin is it doesn't get produced when we have the, the perception of blue light. So most of us, from the time we wake up until the time we go to bed, we are having that blue light exposure. So we're not producing melatonin. Melatonin opens that gateway of sleep, but it's, it's really not about sleep. It's more about setting the circadian tone through the whole body. And it gets produced in darkness when you don't have blue light. Now if we didn't have melatonin, that would be a big deal because melatonin is that pineal signaler to the rest of the body clocks that then prime us for the next day. And that's all done because of the darkness. It's all. It's just amazing to me, like how potent light and darkness are and how even though you and I know nutrition and we've studied nutrition for our professional lives, it's almost like I feel as though every health professional should actually study light and darkness as a primer before they move into the rest of their studies. Because even how you metabolize food depends on your circadian rhythm. Your risk for certain cancers is dependent on whether you're in obey and with your circadian rhythm, it's like so many different things. It's like that is the foundation of some of what we think of as the foundations. And to me, it's nature. It is light and dark, and we have just to track back to sound for a second. We have different sounds through the day as well as the night. And during the night, we're not having as many sounds. Right. So it's like we're turning off or going within. So to. Melatonin is like a molecule of consciousness and vitamin D and the light and sunlight as a circadian nutrient is bringing things out into the open. But we also need to go within and be introspective. We need that sleep. We need to explore our conscious reality through dream states. I feel like that's part of the healing as well. And that's where people have been short, changing themselves. Right. They felt like it was heroic, you know, years, years ago, and I think that this is changing now, but they. They felt like it was heroic to just sleep five hours. Like, hey, I just needed five hours. It's like, no, sleep is so important, and it again, is keeping us in rhythm with nature. So I felt really strongly about that and never really realized the profundity of that until I started to get into this research. So I got to say, you know, my life has been food focused, but now I feel like, no, it's circadian focused, it's nature focused, it's seasonal focused, and then the food drops out of that. That's. That's kind of my take now.

Yeah. I think I also run a bit parallel with you because, like, if I'm doing an intake or something with a client and I. I'll ask them about their sleep. It is part of my intake process. And if sleep. If. If sleep is off, I literally will stop there and go, it won't matter what you eat. You want to lose weight, you want to gain weight. You need to fix this. You need to fix that. Okay, but if you're not sleeping, nothing that we do will matter. Well, can you give me a supplement for X, Y, or Z? Yeah, but you got to remember that those are supplements and they are not replacements. And, you know, I can help with the sleep. We'll start. You know what I mean? But it is definitely a situation where if they're not sleeping, it won't matter what we do. So.

It's so hard. It's like taking a boulder and trying to roll it up a hill and only to have it fall back on you. It's like, no, it's just, you know, some of these things don't even cost any money. It's just like, no, we need good, healthy, Sleep. We need good, healthy poops. We need good, healthy eating. We need good, healthy relationships. Yeah, there's just some basics of life.

Yep. Well, and we've gotten so far removed from those basics of life and handed over our. Oh, I think responsibility isn't quite the word, but I'm leaning more into, like, intuition of our own body and what it actually means to people who have been labeled as experts. And I think if we can start to reclaim that, we will start to reclaim our health.

So I do, too. Yeah, that's a good point for sure.

So one. One more quick question, because I like to play this game with your social media. I know you don't know that. Yeah, I know you don't know that I do this, but. But it's my version of Where's Waldo? Except it's called Where's Deanna. And you travel. I mean, you have so many frequent flyer miles that I just imagine that they are just overflowing from filing cabinets. How do you. How do you manage to, you know, take a weekend trip to London, for example, and come back and still be okay? Like, how. What are some of your strategies for staying sane during those travel times, but also caring for yourself?

Yeah, that's. You know, I've had people ask me about that and even ask me to put something together to help other people. And I do try to share those tips when I am traveling because travel can be very toxic. We are subject to radiation. We are out of our norm. We are not exercising in the same way where chances are we're not eating the same foods that we would normally have at home. For the most part, we get off of our supplement routine. And, you know, there can be all kinds of things like delays, stress of different types. You're subject to a lot of, you know, exposures to pathogens. So. Yeah. But on the flip side, just like I see life as a spectrum, people who travel. And I came across the. A study or two some time ago. It talked about how people who travel are actually happy people compared to people who don't travel. Also more resilient, especially as it relates to stress response. That makes sense to me because when you travel, you just have to be up for anything. You've got to have cushion and buffer. And so in my younger days, you know, I'm in my mid-50s now, but in my younger days, I mean, goodness, I would just. Just take off and I really wouldn't think twice. And I think my body was just much more robust at travel. But then as I got older and realized oh goodness, you know, that's a 15 hour flight or oh my goodness, that's even five hours of a flight. And with a three hour time difference, like my body just doesn't respond the same. So what do I do? I have to focus before I travel. I would say a large majority of my prep time is important for determining the outcome of the travel. So the prep usually involves like even five days before I travel. I get my suitcase out and I'm just kind of methodically thinking about what I need for the trip and so packing the clothes side of that suitcase. But then also packing. I have like my, a certain supplement bag that I use and I kind of have it always ready to go. And I use certain supplements that are already pre packed. So there are these great metagenics makes them, but other companies make them as well. It's kind of prepackaged. Whether it's fish oil, a multi, depending on your needs, some of them have a vitamin D. So everything is kind of like nice and tidy in these packs and I kind of have that ready to go. And then as far as my personal care products, I kind of have like one of those ready to go travel bags where everything is already in there. And I've done research on certain personal care products so I make sure I bring those. But then I also bring like a little, I wouldn't call it a first aid, but it's things like essential oils, gluten free band aids.

Wait, there are gluten free band aids?

Yes, because you know those adhesives that are in band aids and if I need one because my shoes aren't fitting right. Believe me, so many things have happened to me over these years. So I just make sure I've got the gluten free band aids even because my skin's kind of sensitive. So sometimes I can get breakouts, rashes from things like that on my skin. So you know, there's that. And so then I'm also focused on taking certain supplements before I travel. I start focusing on things like zinc and vitamin C. I am starting to take melatonin, which I, I prefer Erbatonin because I work with a company that makes it called Symphony Natural Health. So I actually start taking that even before I travel because it's a very potent mitochondrial antioxidant in addition to being a circadian signal. So I kind of get everything on kind of from that pre planning the. I would say during travel I focus probably mostly on hydration. You know, one of the things I learned is not to eat. So much when you're flying and traveling because of those circadian disruptions. But water, water, water and to focus on hydration so that you have less jet lag. And then I always call ahead, like depending on where I'm staying. Like I always know where there is going to be a Whole Foods. And I, I, I will now usually plan like a day before so I can acclimate and go to the Whole Foods, get the, or you know, if there's another grocery store. But to me, Whole Foods is kind of like the McDonald's of health food. It's like, I just know that there's going to be a Whole Foods in New York City, there's going to be one in Minneapolis, whereas some other, you know, otherwise I have to kind of figure it out. So, and then when I get back, I don't always do this, but I have been known to get well nutritional IVs. So I'll go and get a Myers cocktail and just make sure, sure that I'm going to recover well, especially if I'm feeling a bit depleted from the travel. It's like, oh, I better just go and spend the time now to, to do that. So sometimes I do that and then I get back into my routine. I kind of take it easy. But self care is the name of the game for sure. And you learn a lot about yourself when you travel. Right. I, I, I don't always wear like the, I don't know, just your mindset, how you think, how you start seeing people as so similar and there aren't a lot of differences among us. I feel like, you know, I love experiencing different food. When in Rome, eat like the Romans. Get the microbiome of wherever you're going by eating that food. Within reason, of course. But I, I like there is something neuronally exciting about being in a different milieu. I, I have to say and I'm grateful to have traveled so much.

Yeah, I like, I said I like to play Where's Deanna? And you know, SeaTac is your second home.

CTac is my second home. And you know, I would say one of my favorite play. I have two favorite places. I have this general rule of thumb or general guideline. Let's say that is, I don't like to go to the same place twice. I feel like my life is too short, the world is too large. I want to explore different places. Right. My husband knows that about me. It's like I don't want to go back to the same place. That's boring. I, you know, I'VE already seen it. The two places that I probably wouldn't mind seeing again because they were so impactful would be Iceland, which is phenomenal. And secondly, believe it or not, Taiwan was incredible from a food experience. I love their breakfasts. Yeah, it was like all savory. Yeah, I love Taiwan. I love the people. They have so much nature there. I never thought that I would enjoy it as much as I did, but it's on my top. I would say my top three. My number three would have been South Africa. So being on safari and being on safari taught me a lot about animals and the interrelationship of animals and just looking at how they all eat very differently. So it's okay that people eat differently. Right. You know, sometimes I think people get stuck into thinking like, oh, everybody needs to eat this way. It's like, have you looked at nature? Have you looked at like animals? They all eat differently depending on where they are in the ecosystem. So. Yeah, I love the diversity of seeing how animals live in the wild in that way.

Well, that's super cool. I know. You know, I didn't know you'd been to South Africa and I didn't know you'd been to Taiwan, but I do remember your photos from Iceland and how beautiful they were. So super, super fun.

Oh, I love that place.

Yeah, I could tell. I can hear the light up in your voice just talking, just talking about it. So. Well, as we get ready to wrap up here, Deanna, is there anything that you would like to last minute share with the audience?

I feel like, you know, if we're kind of talking about self care tips, I do have four things. Four different. I don't know if you'd call them principles, but I would say four guiding lights that I try to stay on the path with. And the first one is color. We already kind of talked about color, but I would say it's much more like the colors you wear, the colors you eat, the colors you surround yourself with, the colors you like that you're drawn to. You know, color, again, is a certain wavelength that can have psychological and physiological effects. So first is color, and that's, you know, I talk a lot about eating the rainbow. The second one is creativity. And you're really awesome with creativity, you know, in terms of whether it's knitting, painting, drawing, so many different ways to be creative. And I feel like creativity is a lost art and it's a healing art. When we're in that spirit of creativity, we lose ourselves to flow and we lose our sense of control. So that we're open to outcome. So I think creativity is really important. The third thing is diversity. Oh my goodness. And that really speaks to what we were just talking about with travel. Diverse experiences, diverse countries, diverse people. You know, diversity helps us with neuronal plasticity, which helps us with better brain function, helps us with heart rate variability, which helps us with better, I would say, autonomic nervous system balance. So having diversity, even diverse foods helps to impart a better gut microbiome. And I feel like so many people are in ruts, you know, how do we get out of our life rut? How do we get out of our food rut, you know, and diversity is the name of the game. Nature uses diversity to survive, actually. And then the fourth principle is rhythm. And when I think of rhythm, I think of many different natural rhythms. I think of lunar rhythm, we're coming off of having an amazing full moon. I think of seasonal rhythm, I think of circadian rhythm. And even there is a rhythm of the month of birth. So there's some neat science suggesting that the month that you are born in can actually predispose you to certain things in your adult life. Health related things, not in a deterministic way, but you know, we each, whether we call that astrology, but there's actually science to support that at least the month of birth is connect. And that makes sense from a development perspective because in utero you may have had different levels of vitamin D and certain other compounds circulating to you based on the season that the your mother was pregnant in. Right. So it makes total sense to me from that perspective. So I would say that those would be my four concepts. So color, creativity, diversity and rhythm. Whenever there's something out of balance, to always look to those because to me those are what nature embodies and teaches us and they can be applied whether through food, lifestyle, relationships, thinking, you name it. So that's, that would be what I would give to everybody, is those, those four things as part of the roadmap.

Love it. And I love that you can think outside the box. You know, so many of us get stuck in the if science doesn't dictate it, I don't do it kind of box. And yet there is science behind a lot of what you talk about. It's just not the science that we're quote unquote, used to, if I can use that terminology. It's just we kind of come to expect certain things and when those things are challenged, it's when we can actually find those moments of growth within ourselves. So I do appreciate you coming on today and I hope that the listeners did, too. If somebody wanted to follow you on social media, how would they do that?

Yeah, I would say through my website, which is DeanNaMinick.com you can find all of my social media handles. But I'm mostly on Instagram and Facebook and not much else. And I do all of my own posts, a little bit on LinkedIn too, if you want to know about events. But yeah, so Facebook and Instagram. Instagram is. I kind of feel like my. Where I get a little bit more experimental with some of these things that we were talking about. But yeah, just to close. I love what you said about science. To me, science is just a tool. It's a method. It's not perfect. In fact, it can be very flawed. And spirituality is an absolute. It's. It's what we live within. And so science can help us to figure out that a bit of that spiritual space. And I think that when you're a scientist, you can't help but be immersed in somewhat of the spirituality of life. Right? Because you just feel like, oh, my goodness, the human body is amazing. Or, you know, trees. Look at how they communicate. That is phenomenal. So again, just to close on the science and spirituality piece, because I really feel like that's where we're going further into the 21st century. So thanks for having me.

Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you so much, Deanna and listeners. Again, if you'd like to be on Deanna's social media, you can find her at her website. That information will also be in the show notes if you'd like to find it there, especially if you're driving. Otherwise, continue to take care of you and remember that you cannot heal a body that you. You do not love. Until next time. Take care.

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