Getting Started with Descript webinar

So with everything, when you're starting out making videos, I think of things in a continuum of simplicity up to complexity. And then along with that, there's beginner to pro, there's low quality to high quality. Like the, the higher quality you get, the more complex it's gonna get typically. And this goes for gear, it goes for the types of edits that you make in the software. It even goes for the software itself. Like Descript is more on the simple side and more on the beginner side, but eventually if you get really into this, you're probably gonna want to graduate to something more pro. Um, but if you're just starting out, Descript is great. It can do everything that you need. And for most people, especially creating content, you don't need anything more than, than Descript. Um, okay. So just to go into a couple of the, the tools, the first place I recommend you spend your money is on the microphone. And Jerry, you mentioned my, my, um, video where I showed my gear and the, the one I showed in that was the lavalier, which was connected to a wireless mic. So that's a really solid option. Um, I also always tell people when I started out, I had my cell phone, like I, I was making podcasts while I was traveling and I just talked into the microphone on the bottom of my cell phone and that was it. It works. It's not great, but like it's free. It doesn't cost you anything extra. Um, yeah, so it's a good starting point. And then once you've graduated from that, if, if you're starting to get complaints on the video, like, oh my God, your audio quality is horrible. Like, oh, that's the worst kind of comment you can get, by the way. Like, audio is the thing that viewers will bounce for immediately. Um, so you want to optimize your audio before anything else. But if you're getting those kind of comments, then I highly recommend you get something like a lavalier. And you can plug this into the wireless mic and you could, you could keep the wireless mic on your, like, in the pocket of your pants, like I showed in that, that video that Jerry saw. Um, Or you can even plug this into your computer, like plug it into the laptop or whatever computer you're using. Um, and this is actually what I'm talking to you on right now. You can't see it because I have a green screen applied. If I put my hand here, you'll be able to see it. That is a Shure MV7 Plus. It's like a $300 microphone, but it's, it's really good. And this is like the most pro, like this is what you see all the big podcasters use. This is like a $500— it's like a $400 microphone, but you have to get other adapters and stuff for it to make it work. This is like plug and play USB. You can plug it into your computer. It's very easy. Um, and then I got some notes on microphone technique. Like you want it to be close to your mouth, ideally like this, like a fist or two away. And the further away it is, the The more sensitivity your mic's going to have to have, and then it's going to pick up more background noise and stuff. So, uh, don't underestimate the value of keeping it super close. And then second to that, second to microphones, is not the camera, like you might expect. It's lighting. So as, uh, I mentioned with like starting with just your, your cell phone microphone, You can get amazing video out of an iPhone or a Pixel or whatever you use if you have good lighting. Like, you've probably noticed if you take a photo outside, they usually look amazing, but then you take a photo inside and it doesn't look as good. It looks a little grainy. It's— it doesn't look as good. So the reason is lighting. If you have great lighting, you can make those phones look amazing. Um, and right now I have just a simple, cheap webcam. Above my monitor and I have a panel light, which is like this one right here. And so that, that makes the webcam look significantly better than— actually, let me demonstrate that. Let me turn it off. And you can see like the, the colors look worse. It looks a little grainy. It looks a little— it doesn't look sharp, but when I turn it back on after it adjusts, it just looks way better. Um, so. Prioritize lighting second. And then after that, prioritize camera. So again, our continuum here, you could start with the camera that's built into your, your laptop. And then you could go to the cell phone and that's one step more complex because then you got to get the files off of the cell phone onto Descript at the end of the day. Um, But anyways, cell phone cameras can be amazing. Next step above that would be something like the Osmo Pocket 3, or the latest one is the 4, just came out. That's what I use, and I'm happy to show Amazon links and stuff at the end, but want to kind of move quickly so we can get into Descript here. But this is an amazing all-around camera. You can buy it that with a configuration that includes a little light, which is what you see up there, and it includes a wireless microphone. And this is just like an all-in-one. It's simple to use and it's, it's not terribly expensive, under $1,000 to get the, the bundle that has everything. And then the last step would be a dedicated DSLR camera. And this is the most complexity because you have interchangeable lenses, you need tripods with hardware. It just adds a lot of extra gear and the camera itself, you're looking at $1,000 starting point and probably at least that much in accessories.

So it's like— What was the price of the, the one prior to that?

The DJI Osmo, um, is about, I'll just pull it up. So, Osmo Pocket 3. Osmo Pocket 3 is the older generation. This one for just the camera—

Oh, wow.

Is $420. For the Creator Combo, which includes the little tripod, extra battery, the wireless microphone, that's $539. Dang.

Baby steps.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I recommend, you know, like if the budget is prohibitive, like you start with, what you have and then build from there.

Is that Osmo a lot better than the webcam that, you know, than the Logitech webcam?

Um, again, it depends on like the lighting. You can, you can make poor cameras look amazing with proper lighting. The Logitech Brio, if that's the one you have, that's an amazing webcam. That's been a gold standard for a long time. Um, with good lighting, that's That's great. It's got different advantages. Like, this is good for just— like, what you're seeing right now with me on Zoom, that's probably— I don't have the Logitech, but it's a pretty similar 4K webcam. So you could get this level of quality out of the Logitech. Okay. Since it's a small group, any— do you guys want to talk any more about gear? Any questions about that, or you want to go into detail?

I actually have a question that's actually pretty random, and I don't really know that you'll have the answer, but I am starting a podcast, and like the rest of the planet, and I, as you can see behind me, this is kind of the room that I'll be in. I have my lights going on that I got, but I had a lot of people say, and to do the— and I've seen it on some podcasts— the kind of neon light thing. But I also know from production, I'm also a singer-songwriter. So like being in the recording studio and doing videos and whatnot, sometimes neon lights kind of— video kind of doesn't pull it very well and it gets a little distorted. And so, but I was looking on Etsy because I thought it'd be kind of fun. And again, totally random, nothing to do with the script, but I was just wondering if you had any insight on that whatsoever.

On specifically like colorful lights in the background?

Yeah. Like neon lighting in the background.

Yeah. Yeah. They can look really good. Um, and I've— my, my current setup, I have a very small apartment where I record, so I can't do it anymore. But some of my other videos in my previous apartment, I had, uh, some colorful lights, like Neewer light tube. Like these you can buy and they can change colors.

And you didn't get any like video distortion from it?

No. Um, so the— are you talking about like the colors changing? Were you reading, were you reading about it, like colors changing?

No, I just— I've seen it when I made some music videos. I saw like it almost gets really hot on screen. And so the, the name of my podcast, I was going to have that like behind me, behind me here. And it's the, the colors are orange and purple. And so it was like, mm, and you can dim them so I can kind of control how hot they get. But I was just, I was just wondering if you've ever come across that.

So it depends on how it's set up in the background like that. It's probably not a big deal. Like I have an artificial background where I kind of tried to recreate that, like the neon, but The best way to use these is to like have 'em pointed at the wall. If you're using this specifically, I'll get to the neon sign. You could have it pointed at the wall and you could, you place it behind yourself and then you'd have like a nice glow around you.

Oh.

Is a really cool effect.

Okay.

I could show some of my older videos where I do that. Let me pull something up here. And so, the risk of like messing up, having weird effects is low with that particular use case.

That's what I thought.

Let me see.

But I'm no filmmaker.

Yeah. The biggest risk of unwanted effects—

okay.

Here's an example of one. So here's an old video I did. And so the light, you can actually kind of see it a little bit over my shoulder. That's that, that Neewer tube light. And it's just pointed at the wall and then it makes that nice glow. And as long as the brightest light is in front of me, that's going to overpower the potential negative effects of the—

Okay.

Yeah, that one. Um, the other risk with lighting is you can get a flickering effect. And usually when that happens, it's a mismatch between the frame rate of the camera and the flickering speed of the lights themselves. So if that happens, just know that there's settings you can change and you can overcome that.

Okay.

Um, but anyways, yeah, so that's, this is a really nice YouTube look is like the colors in the background.

Now when you do, I mean, I went through your tutorial and I took my little anal retentive notes because that's what I do. I'm also a school teacher, retired school teacher.

Teacher.

Okay. Um, so I can't really help myself, and I like kind of the printed piece of paper, old school, like pen, paper. Um, so do you kind of go through that same thing, or— because there's a couple of things where I've— I seem to come across this a lot, where I, I'm not a really tech person, so I'm very embarrassed to say that I feel like a bit of a moron, and I'm a fairly intelligent woman, but when it comes to tech, I'm kind of a dumbass. So, um, But I was going through, for instance, you had mentioned like the zoom effect and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna listen to Ross and I'm gonna write down all the steps on my little piece of paper and I go back to my little Descript trial 3-minute, you know, crappy just trial video to play with stuff. And I can't even enter in the first step of the process 'cause what you're saying I should see and do is not what I'm seeing.

Mm-hmm.

And that happens to me a lot and I'm sure it's user error, not Ross Zeiger. But I was just kind of wondering at some point at some point. I'm sure you have your, um, kind of how you go through it. And, but I was wondering if there's gonna be a point that we can kind of talk about those specific inquiries.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, okay.

So we, that was all kind of the, the gear was kind of a tangent since Jerry sent me an email earlier. Uh, but yeah, we'll get into Descript now and, okay. Again, cuz it's a small group, we can go any direction you want.

Before you go, before you jump off to that, yeah, which of course is wonderful, um, I noticed in that previous picture with the colored background there's no like big funky foam pads on the walls, and I'm like dying.

Sound dampening.

Yeah, and I'm dying because every time I read about microphones it's like, yeah, but you have to have this quiet room and you can't have any bounce, and, and then it's like I get into like reconstructing my room and I just get overwhelmed. So, so it's just the set— that's the reason that I'm kind of stressing about the setup is, you know, looking, looking for, you know, and even if, even if you can't answer right now, but just kind of trying to get me over that hump. I can't figure it out.

Yeah. Well, this goes back to the, the continuum because you can start with what you have, you know, like it, yeah, that is extra expense and hassle and all that stuff to set up the the sound acoustic panels, they're called. Um, and there, a lot of times, and I've recorded in dozens of different places, a lot of times I don't have them. And first of all, Descript has a feature called Studio Sound where it'll take out a lot of the background reverberation and problems with the acoustics. Um, so that, that goes a long ways if you don't have that stuff set up.

Yeah.

But that also goes into mic technique a little bit. Like I said, if your, if your mic is really close to your mouth, that helps. Um, there are, you can get microphone, I don't know exactly what they're called, but—

I think one thing that I will say, because I'm actually hung up, I was going to start this 3 months ago and it's the editing. It's the, I tried Riverside. I thought I was going to jump off a bridge. I was like, this is So I'm— really made me feel like a dumbass using that program. So then I did a lot of other research, came to Descript. I'm still not even committed to this yet because I'm struggling with it. And I know this isn't— this is kind of, you know, not the highest level of production, but I want to start somewhere. But everybody that I've talked to, and I'm not— I'm giving advice that I'm not even listening to, but I'm going to share it with you anyway, Jerry, is just to get get started. You're not going to have all this stuff. You're not going to have the best sound. You're not going to have the best look. I mean, I just brought this plant. I just thought that was a pretty amazing addition to my setup. So, you know, that's where I'm at. But, you know, it's just, um, just get started. And I, I— the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger is because the getting started part and just getting your— starting to create content is this editing piece. It's like, yes, I can do that. I've got, I've got 17 interviews lined up that I haven't even started because Once I have them done, I'm going to put them in this Descript thing and then I'm dead in the water. So I feel like I need to have some skill set there. Otherwise my content doesn't matter anyway, but I don't know if that's going to happen because Ross is my new Jesus and I can't understand what Ross is trying to tell me. So we'll see how it goes.

But I would say— Did you say Ross is your new Jesus?

Awesome.

So for today anyway, but then I'll go back to the guy upstairs. But, um, I would just encourage you to just kind of try to plug forward and don't worry about— I mean, I have this lighting thing on right now that I paid very little for. It's good enough for now. I didn't get the Shure microphone, but I do want to get that eventually if this bodes necessary that I can go ahead and bump it up. But I got somebody else actually from my recording studio recommended a different one. Couldn't even tell you what it is right now, but it was a little bit cheaper and I've already recorded it. Sounds pretty pretty damn good. So you just kind of, kind of just take those little baby steps but move forward and don't let those things stop you. And as I'm saying that, I'm being a hypocrite because I'm letting editing stop me because— but I can't put anything up if it's not edited. So that's kind of a sticky—

I can't even get that far if I can't find a microphone.

Yeah, well, you can find a microphone. You just don't have to, you know, I think the simple part, I think you— I've made the mistake of a couple of podcasts that my content seems to mimic. I'm going to theirs and they're way out there, way professional, been doing it for years. Everybody knows them. And then I feel this pressure that I gotta be like that and I don't, I don't.

Right. Okay.

Yeah.

So it's just, they're just two of us, Ross, and look at how we're like already overwhelming your, your audience here.

No, this is good. This is a great conversation. And, and that's why I show this continuum because It's exactly that. You start where you're at and then like, just, just start. That is the key. Like however you start, that's, that's exactly the right way. And then you master the, what you started with and then you progress. And hopefully along the way, your podcast or YouTube channel starts making money and you can, you can drop the time and money into the next, the next better thing.

Is it okay if I share with Jerry the mic I got, or can I not do that?

Sure, yeah. Oh.

Go ahead.

Sure. Jerry, just in case, this, I got the Samsung Q2U, and I believe it was like, I couldn't even, oh, actually, you know what, I have it written down in my notes for my cost for my stupid podcast that'll never start. I believe it was about $100, but let's see.

That sounds right, I've seen that one before.

Studio mic. Yeah, it was $100, so it's— Yeah. It's not the Shure. I'll tell you that. It's not. That's a beautiful microphone. And I can tell you from being a singer, like, there is a difference in microphone quality and it does matter. But for this, you'd be fine with going with something like this to start and not breaking the bank.

So, okay. Yeah. So I took this, I took a screenshot of that, Ross. That looks really interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. So to talk about this, this is an alternative to treating your room. Um, you, you probably wouldn't want to use this if you're— it's in the shot of the camera, obviously. But if it's out of the camera, this is kind of like— it, it gets rid of a lot of that reverb that would otherwise be coming from the ambient room.

Yeah.

Um, so these are popular. And then the, uh, yeah, the mic, the mic she mentioned is great. There's, there's $100 options that are are good for sure. So, uh, oh, I guess the thing I was gonna mention on that is assuming it's just you talking to the mic, you'll want to look for dynamic mics as opposed to condenser mics. That's the other key thing to look for.

Definitely dynamic.

Samsung Q2, I think it was.

Yes.

Yeah. Dynamic microphone.

Yeah.

Um, and that just has to do— the, the other type is condenser and those pick up a lot more. They're a lot more sensitive. So dynamic mics are really good for YouTube and your home. Excellent.

Yeah. I've been actually pretty happy with this one. I mean, it's not the best ever, but for talking quality and then also with some of the AI features, it, it does, it does make it even more impressive. So definitely good enough.

It comes with software or something that does that?

No, I'm just saying like, well, in Riverside, the one thing I was able to do was add the little feature to like boost up the audio.

Okay, okay.

And so that added a layer of like, oh wow, that does sound very kind of radio quality out of this microphone. And this microphone is still very decent, but the effects that you can now add on it also bring it up a level. So there's that to consider as well.

Awesome. Yeah, I don't know that— to talk briefly about that, I haven't personally used Riverside to edit. I have had clients—

You'd probably be great at it because you're young and you could navigate all this crap. But it was very— and then I did some ChatGPT research on it, um, which is funny because I would like go crazy if any of my students use ChatGPT, and now I'm using it on the regular. It's my new counselor.

But yeah, exactly.

But, uh, it, it just basically it steered me off of Riverside saying that it's very, the biggest complaint is how unuser-friendly it is. But I, I just thought, ah, I'm smart enough. No, I'm not.

Yeah. Well, what I was gonna say is they're, I think they're very similar. They're definitely competing for the same audience. Like—

Yes, for sure.

Podcasters, a lot of AI. Yes. Um, so yeah, they're, they're probably very similar with some differences in the names of things. And so the, the feature you're describing. Is sounds like what is called studio sound here in Descript.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and I could show, so just to gauge, have you guys, you, you've each started projects before, right? You've, you've played around, done some basic editing already.

I have done a really small intro, like just kind of saying what, just a practicing, like 3 minutes of saying what my show's about, giving a little spiel.. And then I tried to add some graphics that I created in ChatGPT and some original audio that's just background music. I'm not performing on my show.

Yeah.

But I wanted to use my original music because why not? So just adding a few layers, but even when I was doing it, it just did not go nearly as smooth as how you show it. It was clunky. It took me forever to figure it out. And, but I did put together a pretty pathetic 3-minute piece.

Oh, that, that brings up, uh, something I was gonna mention when you said that earlier is with Descript, first of all, the things move really fast, as you may have already noticed. So like this video that's 10 months old, for sure there's things I show in here that the buttons have probably moved. The icon looks different.

They've— Yeah.

Something's been added or taken away. And so. It's really important to go for things that are recent when you're looking at description.

I try. Well, your Zoom, I was doing, I was looking at your Zoom one in particular, 'cause you know, on my notes page, you had mentioned the 3, you had said something about the 3 main things to boost retention.

Right.

And one of the things that you said was to add a Zoom. So that's what I was trying to do. And I, in my piece, first of all, my script has disappeared. Disappeared. Don't know where that went. Not sure where that went. Can't find it. Look to see— how do you find your transcript again? Can't seem to locate that. But the steps that you walked through on doing just the Zoom, you were saying like start and stop on the piece of video that you want to do it. There's little diamonds, like the whole thing. Can't start and stop it. Can't find the diamonds. Like nothing was going as you had claimed. So, and I'm not saying that's a you thing. It's definitely a me thing. Okay. But just frustrating when you're already struggling with it and then you're like, okay, I'm going to analy follow these steps one by one. It's like, okay, I'm lost at one.

Right. Fair, fair.

Little frustrating. Yeah.

So go for it. Yeah. I'm looking.

Yeah.

Go with whatever Claudine's saying. That's terrific.

I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'll pull up a meetup that happened last night. This will be on my YouTube channel soon. But I'll show you a couple things that might have happened with your video to the, the script thing in particular. So in Descript, only the bottom layer is called the script layer. That's the only layer where the words show up down there and here in the transcript. And if you're not seeing it, it's possible that something happened with your view. So like, for example, if you go to View, Scene Editor, there's different options here, like full screen.

Okay.

So it's possible you like unintentionally got into this mode and hid your transcript.

Okay.

Um, again, View, Scene Editor, and then stacked is the, the default, or, uh, rather side by side is the default where the transcript is over on the left side. And then the video's on the right side.

Yes.

Um, so check on that.

What's that called?

That's stacked? Yeah, uh, this one is called side by side.

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Yeah. And then if you're not— if it's blank over here, you're seeing this section but it's blank, then that tells me—

All I'm seeing in that section is just little clips of like my video and like a little music thing. That's all I'm seeing to the left. Where it was the script before. I don't—

Yeah, so that tells me—

I don't have anything on the bottom. I don't have anything on the bottom that shows the words, like what the arrow's on right now.

So what that tells me is if you click on this layer and I say remove from script, it pops it up. And now because it's not in the script layer, the words associated with this part of the video will not be in my transcript here.

Oh.

So to fix that, you can do the opposite. You can right-click on it and say include in script. And now it's down there. And the words are, are back in the transcript.

Okay.

Um, so anyways, just two things to check. I could, I could probably tell you in two seconds what the situation is if I saw it, but, uh, well, see, now I'm looking at my video right now and when I go into view, I hit—

do you go to script first?

So, the view part is the top left corner?

Yeah, but you said go to view and then go to scene editor, correct?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And so, side by side is actually checked.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. If you're seeing the little music note and stuff, That you're good. Like that, that part is already visible. That's not the issue. It's probably the second thing I showed down here. Okay.

And how would I, what were the steps to check that?

So is the timeline open? And when I say open, it's like the default is like this where it's, it's closed and then you gotta put your mouse right there in the middle.

Uh-huh.

And drag up. And then—

Yeah, I have that little light— well, that— yeah, I have that little dark line that I can go up and down, and then my little video on the right gets bigger or smaller as I move it up and down.

Okay. Yeah. So, this is— everything on the bottom is called the timeline. And this layer, to familiarize you with, like, the concept of layers, this right now has only one layer, which is the script layer.

Okay.

And if you right-click on it, you can say remove from script.

Okay.

And you could have also unintentionally done it by dragging it up.

It's— yeah, because mine isn't there at all. So, I don't know how it's gone. I might have removed it accidentally.

So, another thing is you can scroll up and down in here. If you're not seeing the layer, you can— like, I only have one layer to scroll through, but It's possible it's hidden somewhere amongst a stack of layers.

Oh, okay.

And you gotta find the one that has the speaking and then say include in script.

Hmm, okay.

And that should be it. How would she get more than one layer? I think I heard her say something about a Zoom or something. Is it possible that there's more than one layer that's been added? And could you speak to that a little bit? What do you mean by layers?

Yeah, well, actually, uh, you mentioned a music note. Did you only have one layer or did you add music? Me? Actual music? Yeah.

I have one. I'm looking at it now and I have, um, so the way that it plays out, I don't know if I could share this, but the way that it plays out is I have a visual. I added a graphic, which is just the picture of the COVID of my podcast. So that starts at the beginning with some music underneath it. So, there's the picture that comes in front of it. It's not layered. It's just in alignment with when I come into the frame and start speaking. And then underneath that, there is in fact the music, the green music layer.

Okay. Okay. So, and I could take a look at it in a second. You could share your screen. But to answer your question, Jerry, like, She has a music layer in there and she could— there's lots of ways to add stuff. Uh, one is to come to media and then click on the stock tab. And this is all this stuff that's included with your Descript subscription. So you have a bunch of stock videos, stock images, stock music, and to, to get the music, you click on this music note here, and then I could take a song. I could even search by songs. I could type in violin, piano, whatever, and find different types of music.

Yeah.

But I'm just gonna drag this one in for simplicity. And it says importing. And there's the music layer. So that's how you add stuff. Like when anything that's been added just stacks up and that includes like a music layer like I just did. Or I'm gonna make this a little bigger. I can click on this little icon of a mountain and I can grab this video of some trees and I can drag that in. And it's going to take just a second. There it is. So now I have 3 layers. I have my script layer, which was my my speaking layer. I have a music layer, which is that green layer right there. And then I have a layer on top of all of them called whatever that big name there that's, uh, trees, the tree stock.

Yeah.

So that's how you can get layers going. Um, now again, you can share your project later, like we we could, uh, I could take a look at it exactly what's going on, but you can adjust the layer order. So I can put this layer of the trees behind my actual video layer of me speaking.

What would be the benefit of, uh, that?

Um, a lot of things. So like, so there it is behind it and you can kind of see it around the edges. 'Cause this layer on top is just like floating over it right now.

Oh, you mean visually how you're layering it. I thought you meant down below, like working with almost like, I think about music, so everything is like a separate track, right? So that's what I thought you meant, like stacking the tracks differently in the bottom to manipulate. But you're talking about visually how you're gonna see the layers on top of each other.

Exactly, yeah.

Got it.

Yeah, audio, it doesn't matter. The layers will still be down here, But the, the physical order of 'em doesn't matter.

Yeah. Okay.

Um, so anyways, that's layers and we can talk more about the working with them. Um, oh, okay. Before I forget, the, the other thing that could be going on is your video should automatically transcribe when you bring it into Descript. It'll depend on your settings and how you bring it in.

But I actually recorded in Descript.

Oh, okay. It definitely should have auto-transcribed then. Yeah. If it doesn't, for some reason, you can come to project in the top right corner. And the project files here is everything that's been added to your video ever. Like it's— so yeah, in this case I have my, my Zoom recording video file. There's a gradient in there for some reason. I don't, I don't know why that got in there. And there's stock media, the two that I just added.

Yeah.

And if this had not been transcribed, you can right-click, or rather just left-click on those three dots and say, mine says retranscribe because it's already been transcribed. But if it hadn't been transcribed to start with, it would say transcribe file. And then you could transcribe it for the first time.

Okay.

So that, that was under projects, projects and then files.

Okay. Yep, exactly. And this is where you can also bring in content. So if you have something on your computer, you can browse through your computer with this and then bring in, like, let's say you shot something on your iPhone, you can bring that video in. And then you can add it to your video, your editing video.

I am going to attempt an interview on Friday again, not to use, but just to play within Descript. So I'm going to be using the rooms or whatever. So we'll see how that goes.

Yeah. I have a checklist for rooms that I can drop in the chat here.

Oh, okay.

Um, because Rooms is— it's not as straightforward or reliable as Zoom, for example.

Oh, it's not as reliable?

Yeah, it's got issues. It's got some nuance. Like, for example, let me just pull this up. So here's my checklist, and I'll drop this in the chat.

Oh.

Um, I'll drop it on YouTube as well. So for example, you can, and you can send this to the guest is how this is designed to be used. Um, one thing is like, make sure they're not on their phones, make sure they're on a desktop. That's, you have a way better result.

Okay.

And then some basics like restarting the device before recording. That way it's not, you know, if you leave your computer on too long, just funky things start to happen. Uh, Chrome browsers, so either Chrome itself or Chrome-based, like Brave, Edge, Arc, if you know these. Um, avoid Safari, Firefox. Ensure that when you open the browser, when you, when you click on the room's link, it'll ask for permission to the microphone and camera. Make sure they don't miss that and not allow it permission.

Now I myself am on a Mac. Is that bad? So I can't use Safari?

No, you can, like even on a Mac, I'm on a Mac right now, but I'm on a browser called Brave. So you can download Chrome or Brave if you want.

Okay.

And still use it on your Mac. Yeah.

Okay. But don't use Safari.

Correct.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Just for the best, their most recommended supported functionality.

Okay.

Um, and then make sure you have good internet connection. I have this site that I always like to use to, to check internet speed. Um, oh, mine's actually really slow right now. It's slowly climbing up, but, uh, that would be kind of slow. Like I, my recommended download is 50 megabits per second, which pretty much everyone has these days. Like, you're, you're probably in the hundreds. Like, mine's normally like 250. Um, and then it helps to have wired headphones if you're using headphones.

Yes.

And it is recommended that you do use headphones as opposed to not. But if you are, wired is better than Bluetooth. Um, I got a, a resource there that you can do to do a mic check and yeah, some, some basic stuff about the environment and things like that.

You didn't—

now that's not in the chat yet, is it?

Uh, yeah, I dropped it in the Zoom chat. Okay. Yeah, if you see the Zoom—

Oh, here it is. I got it.

I see it. Okay, perfect.

Now, headphones, is there sort of an aesthetic issue of like kind of a big thing on your head. Do you kind of recommend that?

Well, yeah, this is another reason to consider using Zoom. I can talk about the trade-off of Zoom versus Rooms if you're interested, but Zoom has really good built-in audio cancellation. You're both talking to me without headphones. And I can't hear your backgrounds at all. Like there's my windows open. There's cars going by right now. I'm sure you can't hear it. Cause Zoom does a really good job of canceling that out. Rooms gives you like the raw audio. Like it's— So if your voice is coming through my speaker, it'll get picked up by my microphone and you'll get an echo, like a feedback effect. Um, which is also one of the advantages of Rooms because it's, it's the highest quality audio and. Video, you can get up to 4K out of your, your camera when you're recording in Rooms. Um, but again, that my, my continuum, Rooms is further on the complexity side. Zoom is like the just fire it up, talk like you normally do, like we are right now, and it's just going to work and people know how to use it. So that's the trade-off is like Rooms, higher quality, but more complexity. Mm-hmm. Zoom, simple, familiar, lower quality.

Hmm.

And with all that—

You were saying make sure you're using headphones on Rooms, but not necessarily on Zoom.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Got it. Okay, sorry, missed it.

Yeah, and there is a, so to start a Zoom recording, or Rooms recording rather, you can go to Record, Record with others. And there is an option. If I go to right here, it asks, are you wearing headphones? And if you say yes, then that's the recommended way to use it. But if you're not, make sure you say no, because that'll help with canceling out some of that echo feedback that you get otherwise. Um, so yeah, you can do it. It's just, you might have audio issues. Um, okay. The other thing I wanted to show you is if you do use Zoom, you, there's an import from Zoom button and you can just bring your recording straight off of Zoom into Descript and just edit it in here as well. Makes it super easy.

Hmm. I definitely wanna give the, what Descript provides. I want to at least give it a try.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's worth it. Like, it's just expect, uh, if you can do like a, a dry run with like, yeah, a friend or something, or even just send a link from your computer to your phone or something, you know, try it on your phone and just test it out, get familiar with it. Um, and then just go in as informed as you can for that first call. Um, it works best.

Yeah. Are you saying that it's, that it's as good to record in Zoom and import into Descript as it is to record in Descript?

Well, so Zoom has, uh, some issues in the quality, like it compresses the audio and the video.

Okay.

So the big advantage of Rooms is you can record in up to 4K. So like if you have a really nice camera, you can take advantage of that by recording into Rooms. And same thing with microphone. And it has the advantage of it's already in Descript. So as soon as you click stop recording, it automatically puts it into a project. And the speaker, every speaker has their own audio and video file. Yeah, so there's some little nuance that Rooms is better for. But yeah, there's pros and cons, lots of pros and cons for each one.

Got it.

Yeah, so. Any other questions about all that, or keep pushing with the basics?

Keep pushing. If you can get Claudine just to be able to be more comfortable in Descript, that'll help me too.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right. Yeah, I mean, I want you to go ahead and I think we've like carried you on a lot of different tangents, so I want you to just kind of do your thing.

Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. And we've covered a lot of the stuff that I would have shown anyways. Just in a different order.

Okay.

Like the project files. Because this is a starting point. When you have a blank new project, this is what it looks like. And so, you can add stuff either from here, bringing stuff from your computer. Or— If you come here in the middle, you can start with a recording. So I prefer to record straight into Descript because then it's just already there. It's already transcribed. Some of the stuff that we've talked about. Um, so this is a really, if you're, if you're making a YouTube video, you can click record and then camera, and that's going to pick up your microphone and camera, and then whatever you capture is just going to go straight into an editing project. Um, so that's my recommended way. But if you're bringing it off of your iPhone, then you can drag it and drop it into this upload file. Just drag it anywhere into the project and, and then it'll start transcribing, and from there you can start editing. Um, A little bit of familiarization here is this is a project called Podcast/YouTube Meetup 6/16/2026. That's the project name. And inside of that project, there are, if I look over here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 compositions. And compositions are the standalone videos. So these are 5 separate videos that I could export to YouTube or wherever they need to go. Um, so the project is like a folder and then the compositions are the individual units inside of that project. So if I click on this one, that takes me into this composition, which is this particular Zoom call, and anything I do in this composition won't affect those other 4 compositions. So for example, if, um, but those compositions aren't layers, right? No, they're separate. Okay. Separate videos. Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Okay. And this one is just a copy of, like, I, you can, you can click on these and say duplicate.

Okay.

So this one was literally just a duplicate of that first one.

Okay.

And so some people will do this, like that first one could be my raw, like I just have it there. It's all laid out in one composition. And then this next one could be, I could call it rough cut, for example.

Right.

And so the rough cut is where you just take out the ums and ahs and the, the stuff that's definitely not gonna be in there.

Mm-hmm.

And then I could duplicate this. And this one could be called my final cut or something like that. You know, like you could, you could just keep duplicating and have V1, V2, V3. That's one way to use it. Another way is I'm trying to, Jerry, are you going to be making YouTube videos or what's your goal with like what kind of projects?

Yeah, I mean, a podcast, YouTube videos, and then maybe slice out some bits for reels.

Okay. Okay. So for YouTube videos, one way you could use this is the project could be called June 2026 Videos, and then you could have a composition that's video number 1, video number 2, et cetera. And then it's kind of like keeping all your, your videos together in an easier to, to navigate between way. Um, for the shorts, just since you mentioned it, and we've already covered a lot of the basics, there's an AI tool, and all the AI tools are found here. Not all the AI tools, the, what I call the narrow purpose tools that just have one function are here under the AI tools button. You also have this thing in the bottom right corner called Underlord. Which is a chat like you're used to with ChatGPT or whatever your LLM of choice is. And you can literally switch it. So you have Claude, you have ChatGPT, Gemini, et cetera. You can just toggle between them here. So this is like the general purpose where you can just talk to it in plain English and tell it what you want it to do.

I was asking it to find those white diamonds, but it wasn't helping me.

Oh, okay. Yeah, we'll come back to that. The, the Zoom stuff. Um, yeah, we'll talk about that. So the AI tools, that was all a tangent to show you that if you scroll down in here, there's a repurpose section and that's where you can find the, the create clips. So this video. This YouTube conversation that is in my Descript project right now is an hour and 8 minutes long. And if I click on create clips, this next page asks me how many clips I wanted to make. And I have 5 in there. And then how long do I want those to be? It's gonna be 30 seconds is in there, but it's gonna be plus or minus 15 seconds. Like it's, it's gonna pull in as much or as little as it needs to have a complete. thought. And then layouts, layouts are more advanced, but, uh, I want to expose you to them because they're one of the most important things you can do to get really fast in Descript.

Yeah, I'm super curious about, I'm super curious about layouts because you, you can use them not only in the Shorts, but in your regular production as well, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anything that you do over and over in Descript. You can make a layout for that you spend a little bit of time up front making it, and then it can just forever make your video editing a lot faster.

So, for example— I'm super curious how the reason why I was gonna do the little mock interview on Friday was I wanted to go into these Shorts. I'm curious of, because that's an AI-generated thing, I'm super curious of the quality of what it's gonna pull once I put in the, specifications. So that'll be interesting to see what you do here.

Yeah. Yeah. The, the results vary significantly. Um, and certain types of content lend themselves better to clips than others. Like, yeah, a Descript tutorial, I don't do 'em cuz it doesn't make sense to see a, a minute or 30 seconds of a vertical portion of my screen. Yeah.

So.

Um, but anyways, these are the steps. You can choose your layout and then you can give it a prompt. You can say, find funny parts, find stories. You can, you can kind of narrow it in, or I'm just going to let it run. I'm going to hit submit and see what it comes up with. And by the way, this little red section is the AI credits. So with your Descript account, you get a certain allocation of AI credits per month. And this is telling me I have 1,300 credits left and it just went down. You can see it just dropped by 30 by running this clip feature. Um, and so you have a running tally of your usage there.

How much you utilize.

Yeah, exactly. Um, so here's the clips it came up with and the bold letters are the name that I gave it. And then it gives a little summary of what it came up with. And this one is 23 seconds long. The AI rated it 5 stars, so it thinks this is the best clip that it came up with.

Cracks me up.

Yeah. And if you click on it, you can see it put it into, uh, the vertical format for TikTok and YouTube. Mm-hmm. And you can see this is the selection that it—

The vertical would be for YouTube.

For YouTube Shorts. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

Got it. Yep. And it automatically put it in the captions and yeah, as to my point, like you can see it just pulled like kind of a random part of my screen.

Right, right.

Doesn't work well. Like I could, I could maybe make this work by like changing what's showing.

Yeah.

Zooming in. But anyways. Yeah, that the AI is only so smart when it comes to this kind of stuff.

So—

That's what I'm— that's what I'm wondering, because that's the part that I don't want to deal with is all the social media crap. And I do have a young lady that wants to be involved. She's going to help with that. But I'm wondering if the generator is actually going to at least, you know, produce enough that they don't have to be done by hand. So I'm curious as to how that's going to actually work out. But as far as the layouts go, Is there— I would assume there would be, but when I'm going to be doing mine initially, I eventually I'm going to have like 2 people in the same room, but that's not going to happen until much later when I have more, when it gets a little bit more set up. But in order to kind of do— because I think that the side by side, I think it all brings us back to, you know, COVID life when we were just Zooming our life away.

Mm-hmm.

And so I do appreciate when I see the different layouts, I think, I guess would be the right term, where it kind of just, you know, goes from me to the other person and then both and mixes it up so that the viewability isn't so boring. And so is that something that is in Descript? Are you able to do, do that? Okay. Is that, and that is that considered layout?

Yeah. So you can use layouts for that. Um, let me show you that.

I have a hard stop. I've got another meeting at 2. I love this. I really, really appreciate it. I don't want to kind of— the new Jesus thing is a little extreme, but, you know, I think you were really helpful. And I wonder, can I— can I— how do I get more? Can I just come back in 2 weeks? But then I, you know, follow you on YouTube and—

Yeah, thank you for asking that, because that is how I intended to close this. And I will, I'll, I'll make my little pitch and then I'll, I'll tell you, Claudine, um, I'll, I'll show you, finish that thought with the multicam.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. So, uh, I have DescriptMadeEasy.com, which is like where you can sign up for my course, which is on-demand lessons you can watch on your own time. And it also includes 3 times per week Q&A. So exactly like we're doing right now, it's on Zoom. We typically get like 6 to 15 people and it's 1 hour open Q&A. Um, people can share their projects. I can show you like, okay, here's what you're doing wrong. Here's what you're, you're not seeing, like that kind of stuff. Um, we also talk about YouTube, so we look at analytics and like, here's why this video did good. Here's why this video did bad. And yeah, basically take, take my years of, of doing this and You can get started that much faster. Um, and I also happy to talk about gear and everything that we've, we've talked about today and more as it relates to YouTube, Descript, social media, all that.

And that's, so there's a plan, there's a, a year-long plan. I, I don't know if you had any shorter ones, like 6 months or 1 month of time.

Um, I don't officially, but I could, I could work with you if you're interested in that.

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Let's talk. I have done that.

I'll reach out to you. Yeah. This is just so cool. Yeah. You're really, you got a great way of presenting and, and, and clear, clear thinking and, uh, could be right where I'm at right now and what I could use to get myself going.

So, well, thank you for saying that. Yeah. I hope to see you in the, in the program. Be great to have you.

You too. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck with everything floating in. Sounds like a cool program.

Take care, Jerry.

Okay. You too. Okay.

Bye.

Awesome.

All right.

Thank you. So yeah, we can talk about, uh, the multicam now.

So, okay.

How are you familiar with scenes? Have you set up scenes before in Descript?

Well, yes and no. I, I feel like I know what they might be. I mean, it says when I've tried to add something, um, on the plus sign, it says add a scene. So it's like, I, yeah, it wasn't that I was intending on doing that, but I've done that. By default.

So scenes are how you split up a project and especially if it's—

Is that how it breaks up on YouTube, you said, or something like that?

No, YouTube is just one video. Like it's, it's really an editing thing. Like, so in here, that little 1 right there, if you can see it, is scene number 1, scene number 2, scene number 3. And the rule of thumb is to use the scene every time the visual is changing.

Okay.

So for example, I have all this text that's on the screen and then it goes up until scene 1 ends. And then by the time we get in scene 2, the text is gone. So scenes are like how you can like compartmentalize your video and where this comes into play.

And you're saying scenes should break at each. Like visual change?

Yeah, every time the visual is changing. Yeah, is the rule.

Okay.

And where this comes into play with your question about changing the camera is, so scene number 1, we've got a side by side.

Oh.

And then in scene number 2, I could make her fill the whole screen.

The whole frame.

Okay. And by doing that, it only affected scene number 2. If I go back to scene number 1, it still looks like this. Scene number 2 looks like this.

Okay, I get it.

Scene number 3, she zoomed in, which is the next thing I can talk about before we wrap up here. Um, so another advantage of scenes—

But you're doing that manually. It doesn't do it automatically, like go through your whole video and do it for you?

So there is, uh, if you go to AI tools, automatic multicam, it can, it can do that automatically.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And that's under AI tools.

Okay.

Yeah. But you're saying if you set it up by scene, you could go into each scene and, and decide which of those, which of those types of frames you'd want to use.

Yeah, exactly. Yep.

That says automatic what?

Okay.

Automatic multicam.

Okay. So if you have 2 or more people, then it'll automatically, it, it gives you a chance. If I click on it, this thing that says camera setup, I can choose, like there's me and then there's the camera associated with my voice. Mm-hmm. And then same thing for my guest. So that's how it knows which camera belongs to which person. So when I'm speaking, oh. It switches automatically to my camera and vice versa.

Okay.

And so, yeah, it can be, it, it's great when it works. Sometimes it's too aggressive and somebody chimes in with like a yeah or uh-huh and it, it cuts really quickly to them.

So, oh yes, that would be—

that's why I personally don't like to use it cuz I spend like as much time undoing the little ones than—

Well, I, I find, and I don't know cuz I'm, very rookie at this, but I find the few AI things I've used, I'm like, eh, you know, AI is taking over the world, but you still need that human touch. And most of the things I've used, I've undone. And so it's kind of a bummer because you kind of get all, you salivate over the convenience of it. And then it's like, eh, actually it's not working that great. That's why I'm super curious about the clips because that is something I do not want to manually do. So I'm really hoping those are decent enough at least to get started. But— Yeah.

We'll see. Yeah. With all of this, like the, the AI is as good as you are. Like if you, you gotta give it guardrails, you gotta give it context. Um, a common example there is the filler word tool that'll find the ums and uhs.

Oh yes.

That was not good. Um, if you just, yeah, if you just blanket use it, you just say select all. You're gonna have bad results.

Yes.

So what I always teach is unselect all and only select ums and uhs. And yeah, right there you've narrowed this down to like a way better, way more usable thing. So it's those kind of things that are like, you gotta like learn the AI rather than just trust it's gonna work out of the box. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so I'll just— I'll show the Zoom stuff real quick.

So— I understood your Zoom stuff. It was totally clear to me. I just couldn't apply it because my project is jacked up somehow. And the things that you showed in Zoom, it wasn't difficult. I did not understand it. I just couldn't apply it in mine. Well, so—

and you did it with—

You're more than welcome to show me again. I just— your video was very clear. It was more I couldn't it wasn't working on mine for whatever reason.

You mentioned the, the white diamonds. So that tells me you did it this way with animation custom, right? Probably.

I followed your steps and I thought, if I remember correctly, I've watched so many things, so forgive me, but if I remember correctly, when you were talking about zoom, I thought you had talked about bringing the playhead possibly to like the beginning point and the ending point of where you want to zoom. And then you had shown like either putting in the numbers or something.

Yeah.

And I couldn't even, I couldn't even snatch the section of video that I wanted to snatch to be able to apply the Zoom. I never even got to the next step of looking at the numbers or anything. But I thought there was diamonds in that tutorial as well, but I could be mistaken. That could have been for something else.

Okay, yeah, so, There's multiple ways to apply a zoom. And the, with the diamonds, it's if you add it this way, so you do animation plus custom.

Mm-hmm.

And it, you see that the, the two diamonds are on the—

Yeah. You said there's a blue line that goes above it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. So you're familiar with that? Like you just, you can drag 'em closer. Right. If you click on one of the diamonds, that's when you can change the numbers there.

Yes.

Yeah, I totally get it. I just couldn't get any of that to apply to my stuff.

I don't know why. There's always— there's always, like, nuance, like, context. Like, if it's— if there's another animation applied already or if— you can lock scenes. So, If I go to back here on any of these layers, there's a little lock.

Mm-hmm.

And if I have this locked, do you see? I can't even select it.

Oh, okay.

Um, so it's possible that like a layer got locked somehow, which the layouts can do as well. It can lock layers for you.

Oh.

Um, so yeah, I'd have to, I'd have to take a look, but yeah, probably try starting from scratch.

Okay.

Like just in a blank new, you could start in blank new composition right there.

Okay.

Drag in the video and just play around with if the—

Okay.

The animations will work there to rule out any weirdness coming from the other layers or other effects.

Okay.

I might do that. I was kind of thinking I'll just start over because I was getting, but like in Riverside, I did that like 5 times and I'm like, I just keep starting over. I keep starting over. It's like, I'm done. So, I'll give that a whirl, 'cause I do have to say that even what I've been able to put together thus far still is crap, but it's still a lot better than what I was able to put together in Riverside. At least I could add the picture, at least the picture, you know, I could put the wipe on it the way I wanted to. The other thing I was gonna ask you, but it'll have to wait for another time, I was just curious on, I would love a walkthrough on, So some of the visuals that I'm using, I wanted to see, can you film, like, let's say I'm taking the title of my show and I'm just using the acronym of it, the two letters, and I want them to kind of like one come in the screen and then the other one come in the screen and kind of do it in a fun way. I didn't know if there was a way to do that with the animation. And so, 'cause there was things that I saw that like you could film a little video of graphics and then implement that into the, into your video. And I was like, that's definitely a more complex thing, but it's in my mind of something I want to figure out eventually. So is that something that can be done in Descript?

Yeah. So if I'm understanding correctly, that thing that you film of your, uh, wait, would you film it or make it like an animation? It'd be like an animation.

I would have to make it right now. All I have is a visual. And so, but from what I was seeing, it looked like you could have a stagnant image and which I'm just referencing, I'm going to be using the two letters that are the acronym of my show's name. And I was gonna try to do something like, you know, kind of a video animation of that, having the letters move around the screen, whatever. I haven't dialed that in yet, just the general idea of being able to make that. And then, and it's only gonna be a few seconds literally, but making that and having that be like one part of the format of my show, it's gonna go to a segment of the show. So I just didn't know if that could be achieved, just the idea of creating something like that.

Yeah, 100%. And with something like, if it's gonna be on every episode, you can make a layout out of that. So you make it one time, right? And then you just drop it in with the click of a button.

Yeah. But it can, something like that can be produced or created in Descript.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay.

And, uh, you can also, AI can help. Help a lot with that. Um, hang on, that's not what I wanna show. Uh, I was gonna show my course. Well, here, I think this link will work. I have a free course, uh, just about layouts.

Oh.

And I'll drop the link in the chat for this.

Oh, okay.

If you're interested. Um, and that will be a really good starting point for a lot of things. Like layouts themselves are one of the more advanced things, cuz it takes an understanding of the fundamentals. But I think this is a really good starting point and it'll teach you what you need to know for making, like, you'll still have to film that, but you can then put it into a layout and be able to apply it across all of your—

It seems, I know that, I mean, I'm probably jumping the gun a little bit. Um, but it just seems like it's kind of important to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds like a good thing to lock in early.

Because that's kind of, to me, and I could be wrong, but to me that really correlates with the retention piece and just the visual draw. Like, are people are gonna even, you know, 'cause a lot of it, I might be saying something brilliant, whatever, but if it just falls flat visually, I think nowadays, especially young people, you know, you guys are getting your dopamine hits every 3 seconds from your doom scrolling your whole life away. So it's like, that is something that's real now. And I need to, even though I can't stand that part of where we've become as a society, it's also something I actually need to rely on now, you know?

Right. Yeah, yeah, I hear that.

It's interesting. So now I know you have a spiel. I am, I, I feel like I, I need to play with this. I definitely can, you, I, I'm really like a one-on-one person and I doubt you do that, but, um, I do actually. Oh, do you?

Yeah.

I mean, I'm the kind of person that like, I would love to just kind of, you know, even with the 3-minute thing that I have, okay, these are the things that I want to do. And can you walk me through how to do those things? And then I want some time to play with it myself. And then kind of just check off the list. And I don't want to overwhelm myself because I know it has set me back on getting this thing to actually pull the trigger. But there's just certain things I have to have I have to have dialed in before I'm gonna feel confident enough about putting it out there. So.

Yeah.

Fair. Yeah. Yeah. For exactly that, I have descriptutor.com where you can book one-on-one sessions with me. I have, you can do one, one call, three calls, five calls, different packages. Um, and if you wanna book a free 15-minute call, we could, we could talk about it. Um, and. Yeah. And so people book an hour and you can split 'em up into like two half-hour sessions or—

And what do you charge for that?

So it's not cheap, but if you're interested—

Oh, drum roll, please.

Yeah. $300 an hour for one.

Holy smokes, Ross. Did I mention I'm a school teacher? Wow.

Okay. If you're a member of my course, it's half the price. So, but the course of course costs money as well. But yeah.

What is the course? What does that mean?

Uh, it's what I showed Jerry earlier. So the—

Oh, I didn't see the—

oh, okay. Yeah. So this one is, we meet 3 times a week for just like this, like Q&A, open Q&A. And then there's also an on-demand, uh, 100, like over 100, almost 200 lessons. On all the features in Descript. So it's a hybrid course and drop-in Q&As, stuff like that. Okay. Um, so what you're talking about—

Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, what Jerry asked about was a shorter, if he could do like— Yeah. So if you're interested, I'd be happy to work with you.

You could come up with that. Okay. I mean, I'm definitely interested in learning more. I, I just, I have to be. I mean, and I know you need to, you know, make your money. No, I totally get it. I just, after buying all the equipment, it's like, I definitely need some guidance. I just don't know if I can afford the guidance. But no, I appreciate all the offers that you have. So I will have to ponder what would work. But yeah, I would love to get more information for sure. Because once I get stuck, I have a hard time kind of thinking outside of that box, I get really stuck. I stop kind of clicking around. Yeah, right.

I totally get it.

Yeah. More savvy people, they just, oh, well, click. I've watched like people of your age group just start clicking around. They figured out. It's like, I was lost at click 3. I would have already shut my computer and made myself a cocktail. So it's like—

Right, right, right.

So anyway, but I do appreciate what you have shared thus far. So thank you for that.

Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for joining this. And, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll be in touch if you ever need anything.

Okay. Well, thank you very much.

Awesome. All right. Have a good rest of your day.

All right. You too. Take care. Bye.