S1E64 / The Origins of Vaccine Hesitancy / Jonathan Berman, Nadja Durbach and Michael Willrich

4 Mar 2021 · 21 min
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4 Mar 2021 · 21 min

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In this episode of the Epidemic podcast, host Dr. Celine Gounder leads a conversation with historians Nadia Durbach, Michael Willrich, and Jonathan Berman to trace the deep historical roots of vaccine hesitancy. The discussion begins with Durbach’s discovery of an 1850s British anti‑vaccination pamphlet, "Our Medical Liberties," which framed compulsory smallpox vaccination as a violation of personal bodily rights. The hosts describe how 19th‑century British vaccination law was enforced through class‑based penalties, unsanitary practices (reuse of needles, arm‑to‑arm transfer of vaccine material), and severe fines that could lead to property seizure or imprisonment. They then shift to the United States in the late 19th‑century smallpox epidemics, where compulsory vaccination was carried out by “virus squads” that entered working‑class neighborhoods, often forcibly, and where African‑American communities distrusted public‑health authorities due to racialized exclusion. The episode highlights the 1902 Biologics Control Act and the landmark Supreme Court case Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), which upheld state power to mandate vaccines while insisting that public‑health measures be reasonable and not arbitrary. Throughout, the scholars identify recurring arguments against vaccination—government overreach, religious objections, safety concerns, and fears of bodily contamination (e.g., vampire metaphors). They argue that these themes persist in modern COVID‑19 vaccine hesitancy, noting that the success of vaccination has eroded public memory of disease risk, making risk assessment more difficult. The conversation concludes with a call for public‑health communication that respects historical grievances, addresses class and racial inequities, and educates the public about comparative risks of disease versus vaccination.

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