S1E64 / The Origins of Vaccine Hesitancy / Jonathan Berman, Nadja Durbach and Michael Willrich
4 Mar 2021 · 21 min
In this episode of the Epidemic podcast, host Dr. Celine Gounder leads a conversation with historians Nadia Durbach, Michael Willrich, and Jonathan Berman to trace the deep historical roots of vaccine hesitancy. The discussion begins with Durbach’s discovery of an 1850s British anti‑vaccination pamphlet, "Our Medical Liberties," which framed compulsory smallpox vaccination as a violation of personal bodily rights. The hosts describe how 19th‑century British vaccination law was enforced through class‑based penalties, unsanitary practices (reuse of needles, arm‑to‑arm transfer of vaccine material), and severe fines that could lead to property seizure or imprisonment. They then shift to the United States in the late 19th‑century smallpox epidemics, where compulsory vaccination was carried out by “virus squads” that entered working‑class neighborhoods, often forcibly, and where African‑American communities distrusted public‑health authorities due to racialized exclusion. The episode highlights the 1902 Biologics Control Act and the landmark Supreme Court case Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), which upheld state power to mandate vaccines while insisting that public‑health measures be reasonable and not arbitrary. Throughout, the scholars identify recurring arguments against vaccination—government overreach, religious objections, safety concerns, and fears of bodily contamination (e.g., vampire metaphors). They argue that these themes persist in modern COVID‑19 vaccine hesitancy, noting that the success of vaccination has eroded public memory of disease risk, making risk assessment more difficult. The conversation concludes with a call for public‑health communication that respects historical grievances, addresses class and racial inequities, and educates the public about comparative risks of disease versus vaccination.
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What's really, I think, important to understand about the first anti-vaccination movement, the one that erupted in Britain in the 1850s, is that it was made up with a lot of different groups of people.
This is very much an American political and legal tradition to allow governments, under their police powers, to protect the public health.
You're listening to Epidemic, the podcast about the science, public health, and social impacts of the coronavirus pandemic. I'm your host, Dr. Celine Gounder. Nadia Durbach is a professor of history at the University of Utah. Nadia loves archives.
Oh, the archive is a wonderful place.
A lot of the things Nadia's interested in are documents from the Victorian era. They're kept in these plain, unassuming boxes.
It could be very small. It could be huge. Some of the documents I was recently working with came in boxes that were almost as big as I was, and there were 300 of them, and the archivist was not that happy to pass over 300 of these boxes over the course of weeks and weeks.
It may sound dry to some, but for Nadia, it's like a treasure hunt.
You know, it's like opening a present. You open the box up and you see what's in there. And so what I love is the serendipity of it. You go through and you look at the thing you wanted, but sometimes beside it in the box that you're allowed access to is something you didn't know existed.
So one day when Nadia was a graduate student, she was in an archive looking for something that could become her dissertation topic.
And so I was trolling around in the National Library of Medicine, and I stumbled upon what I think is the original anti-vaccination pamphlet that was written in the 1850s.
The pamphlet was called "Our Medical Liberties" by John Gibbs. It was opposing mandatory vaccination against smallpox in England.
Last session, a measure robbing the subject of some of his dearest personal rights and liberties was indecently hurried through Parliament under the modest and unassuming title of the Vaccination Extension Bill. In reality, it was a bill of pains and penalties.
And I got really hooked by his language and his articulation of the vaccination issue as one that was about the personal rights to control your body versus the government's right to control its subjects.
The Vaccination Extension Act, or rather the Compulsory Vaccination Act, is the first direct aggression upon the person of the subject in medical matters. If not checked by a timely and energetic opposition, the medical profession will indubitably succeed in establishing a tyranny as odious, galling, insulting, and injurious as any against which Britons have ever successfully struggled.
And at the same time, a kind of Gothic language of fears around the body being violated and penetrated and entered, and this sort of clash between what seemed like a kind of ideological opposition to vaccination and at the same time a really kind of emotional resistance.
Britons, guard well your hard-won precious rights. Surrender not even that one which, in the immensity of your riches, may appear of but trivial value. Keep your medical liberties intact. You must preserve them all, or you must lose them all. And remember that with them must be lost or preserved no small portion of your civil and religious liberties as well. Let no unhallowed tongue beguile you. Let no unhallowed hand despoil you.
Vaccines are a safe and critical public health tool. They prevent crippling childhood diseases like polio. They're responsible for the eradication of one of the deadliest diseases ever, smallpox. And today, they're one of the most important measures we have to end the coronavirus pandemic. But despite these achievements, pamphlets like the one Nadia found show that people have been worried about vaccines for as long as they've existed. And this anxiety is a serious challenge to reaching herd immunity. According to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation in March, 15% of Americans say they definitely won't get vaccinated against COVID. And another 7% say they'll only get vaccinated if required to do so. That's more than 1 in 5 Americans. And many more say they plan to wait and see. In this episode, we're going to look back at the origins of vaccine hesitancy and see why the same arguments against vaccines keep coming up again and again. We'll look at why people were wary of early vaccines.
In the 19th century, the way vaccinations were performed were actually inherently dangerous.
How those early responses responses to vaccination shaped our laws.
Yeah, so Jacobson v. Massachusetts was and remains really the paradigmatic public health law case.
And why these concerns are so persistent.
Every generation has sort of regenerated a new anti-vaccinationism on very similar concerns.
Today on Epidemic, the origins of vaccine hesitancy. Smallpox was one of the most feared diseases in the world. Thanks to vaccination, smallpox was declared eradicated in 1980. But back in the 1790s, it was a serious concern in Europe.
The first vaccine was based on an observation that milkmaids tended not to get smallpox. This is Jonathan Berman, assistant professor of basic sciences at NYITCOM Arkansas, author of Anti-Vaxxers: How to Challenge a Misinformed Movement.
The cows back then would often get a virus called cowpox. It's a disease similar to smallpox, but it's not transmitted between humans.
So it would cause pustules on a cow's udders, and humans who milked those cows could contract it, and it would be sort of a very mild disease where they would get pockmarks on their hands, but they would not develop smallpox.
Smallpox was a huge deal. It used to kill nearly 1 in 3 people who contracted it. Survivors could have terrible scars all over their body, and people who'd had smallpox often struggled to find work. Families and businesses were wary of anyone who'd had the disease, afraid they could spread it. So preventing it was a major concern. One day, a physician named Edward Jenner noticed this connection between cowpox and smallpox.
An experiment was done taking a very small knife, a lancet, and poking a cowpox pustule.
Jenner made small cuts on the arm of a person with that knife dipped in the pus from a cowpox sore.
And so that would result in development of maybe some irritation. Usually some inflammation and redness, but they would then be immune to smallpox.
People at the time didn't know how this worked. Today we know that the body's immune system was mounting an immune response to fight off the cowpox. And those same immune responses were also effective against smallpox. One of the first people to get Jenner's vaccine was the child of a poor laborer in the countryside. The vaccination worked. The child was immune to smallpox. But this early experiment would signal some of the biggest issues swirling around vaccines then and now: poverty and children.
There was this theory that the poor were the people spreading disease.
Remember, this was before germ theory. Back then, people thought disease was caused by something called miasma.
It's the sense that the poor are spreading it to the rich through their kind of miasmatic dirt that's floating out of neighborhoods. And so the poor are really stigmatized as being responsible for disease at this time.
In the 1850s, England was struggling with repeated outbreaks of smallpox. So with Jenner's vaccine available, they passed a mandatory vaccination law, the same one John Gibbs was writing about in that pamphlet.
Every single person was meant to have their child vaccinated before the baby was 6 months old. So this applied to everyone. But if you were middle class or upper class, and by middle class I mean, you know, kind of fairly wealthy and fairly elite with quite a lot of disposable income, you could pay to have your physician do this, and the physician could do it in a, in a fairly kind of minor way.
But many people could not afford this, so they had to rely on the free vaccinations given out at workhouses. Think Oliver Twist.
The way that these vaccinations were performed was much more invasive and intrusive to the body, and they were much more dangerous. And so many, many working-class people who had to accept these free government vaccinations also found that their children were more likely to be injured through the process.
Let's be clear: vaccines today are safe. They're done with sterilized, single-use needles and temperature-controlled vials to make sure there is little to no chance of infection. But that wasn't the case in the 19th century. They used the same basic method as Edward Jenner did in the 1790s.
And then they would take that same knife and they would stick it in the arm of a baby who had already been vaccinated the week before and scoop out the vaccine from that baby's arm and smear it into the cuts on the next baby. And so what we're having then is the vaccine matter actually being incubated in the bodies of babies and then transferred from one baby to the next.
This is really unsanitary. There was a serious risk of infection once the baby got home. This method also ran the risk of spreading tetanus or other germs between children. How these laws were enforced also hit poor Britons harder.
So if you don't obey the government mandate, the government can fine you repeatedly until you have vaccinated your child. And the fines were about a man's weekly wages. So they're very stiff fines. If you can't afford to pay them, the government would then seize all your personal belongings and auction them to the public to raise the funds. And if you still don't have your child vaccinated, they send you to jail.
Harsh punishments and fears about safety drove a lot of the pushback at the time. But there were other factors, too. Here's Jonathan Berman again.
Some things that sound kind of funny now, like people concerned that if you take a disease in cows and use it to vaccinate humans, they'll take on characteristics of the cows.
But other arguments feel very familiar to us today.
You'll see arguments based on concerns about government overreach into health decisions. You'll see concerns based on people's fears of childhood illness.
Others objected to vaccination on religious grounds. These people believed the body was sacred. They felt medicine was unnecessary or even dangerous.
And on the other, the idea that you don't want anything polluting in your body. So that meant for many people being vegetarians, um, not drinking alcohol.
This contingent of anti-vaccinators sometimes turned to dramatic examples to convince the public.
For the British, the real symbol of vaccination that I think is really interesting is the idea of the vampire.
There were a lot of vampire novels at the time, including the most famous one, Bram Stoker's Dracula.
The anti-vaccination movement kind of seized on this popular trope because it proved to be such a good metaphor around the pollution of the blood. And the ways in which 19th century people thought about health had a lot to do with this idea of pure blood. And so the resistance to vaccination was very much a resistance to something that could pollute your blood.
A few decades later, in the 1890s, the United States was facing its own smallpox epidemic. We'll hear what happened and how those events are still shaping how some feel about vaccines today. That's after the break. At the start of the 20th century, the United States was facing its own smallpox epidemic. Hundreds died in places like New York City, Philadelphia, and New Orleans.
The government responded by ramping up compulsory vaccination.
This is Michael Willrich.
Enforcing vaccination in the schools, in workplaces, at the borders, and really across the nation. This created enormous tension between public health officials who were trying to bring smallpox under control and ordinary people.
Michael is the chair of the history department at Brandeis University. He also wrote a book called Pox: An American History.
Public health officials were exercising extraordinary measures to get people vaccinated, sending out so-called virus squads, teams of vaccinators and police into working-class neighborhoods in cities like Boston or New York in the middle of the night, showing up at, at tenement buildings, cordoning off the area, entering the buildings and inspecting all the rooms and carrying out vaccination, often by force.
In Britain, there was a strong class prejudice when it came to how people were vaccinated. In the United States, there was also a racial element to these early campaigns.
African Americans were rightly very suspicious of public health authorities. Public health was a Jim Crow system that excluded African Americans in times of need and, and viewed them as the first subjects of compulsion when epidemics arose.
This hardline approach to vaccination angered a lot of people for many of the same reasons Nadia and Jonathan described: fears of government overreach, religious liberty, and fears over unsanitary vaccine practices. In one of the worst accidents during the epidemic, 9 children died in Camden, New Jersey, after they were given a vaccine contaminated with tetanus.
So this is, you know, not irrational concerns we're talking about here, and the government actually was partly responsible for creating this situation by compelling vaccination without making sure that the vaccines were safe.
The federal government passed a law to try to shore up support for vaccines. The Biologics Control Act of 1902 established the first nationwide system for licensing and inspecting vaccines. But that same year, a Lutheran minister in Cambridge, Massachusetts named Henning Jacobson refused to have his child vaccinated.
He was brought before the criminal court, was tried, found guilty of the crime of refusing vaccination. It was an incredible case. It had a lot of attention at the time.
Jacobson's case would eventually make it all the way to the US Supreme Court.
And Jacobson and his lawyers argued that compulsory vaccination violated the right of every free person to take care of their bodies as they saw fit.
The Supreme Court did not agree. The justices decided states had the authority to mandate vaccinations to protect the public during an epidemic. Even if those efforts limited personal liberties.
You know, the justice who wrote that decision, John Marshall Harlan, was a Civil War veteran. And like many judges at the time, he viewed this whole question in the context of the sacrifices that could be required of citizens during times of war. He said that governments can compel people to be vaccinated by the same rationale that they can require citizens, whether they want to or not, to fight in wars and to risk being shot down in the defense of the country. But at the same time, he also in that opinion included some language that's really important about the limits of public health authority, that public health measures must not be arbitrary. They must be reasonable. They must be closely related to an actual public health purpose.
But the decision left open a door for exceptions.
The courts did not issue a blank check to public health officials.
The justices said courts should consider someone's medical history when it comes to vaccination, especially if a vaccine could somehow harm that person.
It's also the origin, really, of some of the more philosophical and religious exemptions as well. So Jacobson, even though it is such a strong endorsement as a Supreme Court decision of public health authority, was not an example of the courts just getting out of the way.
This ruling emboldened others to seek exemptions. Activists in some states passed laws prohibiting compulsory vaccination. But by the time Jacobson's case was decided in 1905, the smallpox epidemic had ended. There wasn't an urgent need for mass vaccination. And there was also a change in public health thinking.
Public health officials seemed to be very aware of this, to lead through education rather than coercion, and also the sort of social responsibility and duties rather than simply seeking to enforce them by fiat. I think public health has come a very long way since 120 years ago.
Nadia Durbach agrees. She says there's a lot to learn from the mistakes of the first mass vaccination campaigns.
I think that we've seen with the mask mandates that sometimes it is merely the compulsion that sets people off on a path of resistance.
The other is how public health officials talk to people about risk.
I think people in the 19th century actually had a much better understanding of risk. They saw epidemic disease on a daily basis. People died all the time. They understood the risk of getting a disease versus the risk of a vaccination, and they were making, I think, a quite educated choice.
And vaccines have become victims of their own success. Because diseases like smallpox have been wiped out, people no longer have a visceral understanding of how bad it was.
And it's not till fairly recently, with the rise of the anti-vaccination movement, that we've seen the reemergence of things like measles. And so people are not in a very good position to make those informed choices about what's more risky because they don't really know what dangerous epidemic diseases what diseases look like, and they think they're all the same and that they're something you just get over. And so I think we need to do a better job today about educating people about risk. How risky is a vaccination versus how risky is an epidemic disease?
Past vaccination campaigns also unfairly targeted groups based on class and race. Because of that, Jonathan Berman says any effort to help educate people on the need for vaccines has to speak to these specific community concerns.
A lot of how people arrive at what they believe depends on the groups they belong to, their neighbors, what their friends are doing. When I am trying to decide whether or not I should do something, my first desire is to go Ask my friends, ask my family, what did you do? What are you going to do? How do we make that choice? Who do we trust? It's very difficult.
It is difficult work, but Nadia says people who don't have confidence in vaccines shouldn't be written off.
I think it's really, really important for governments, public health departments at the local level, all the way up to the federal government, not to dismiss anti-vaccinators as just crazy fringe people. I think really the lesson we need to learn from the past is that there are real fears here, and we may not see those fears as legitimate, but these people do. And we should understand what is it that concerns them, why are they resisting this, and try and use an education program to inform people about vaccination being a better choice than non-vaccination, both for themselves and their families, but also for the community.
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