Lynette talks about Patta Dreaming in Warumungu.

And who was near that bottle line? That old girl now, she was telling us, and before we walked away, she said, come here, come here, you used to come here, Dugray. I'm gonna tell you something. Make sure you keep it now, keep it in your head, you know, you bullet you. And tell us that story now about that bottle line. We never asked her. She just told him because she used to live with him, his dad, before, a long time ago. That was his first wife.

Oh.

His father's first wife. And after that, he found my husband's wife. Mother then, and he started living with her. Then, and then she split up, and she ended up telling him that storyline for that part. And she said that she told him that they were saying that that Ninka, that Bulbul, no, that Ninka, that Gantaji, they were two nangla nabula. Took it again, that flying fox, that pintango, and then that kulpul. That's the only ones that are in that butyrolone, nobody else. I'm telling that story now, and I don't know why she told it. Then not long after that, she passed away.

Oh, really? She must have felt an urgency, like she needed to tell someone.

Yeah, she needed to tell him because he was— you must say he was a chief. So she probably told him that because she knew he was a chief because he's the next in line for Pitango. Really?

Yeah.

Even, even dance that didn't go through that, but the line name, he was the last one, him and him.

Really?

Yeah.

And I think they don't know anything. All these other people, all these other men, they're so-called butler land here. They're trying to boss over this place here.

Yeah.

They never get men here. They get men somewhere else. So they shouldn't have any say in this place here.

Really?

Yes. That's what my husband told me.

Really?

Yes.

Uh huh.

Similar to the way you breathe and count, we say manwanyi, control. That's we, manwanyi, one of the red band, the young ones, crewmen. So we got more sayful than they are now, the manwanyi.

Uh huh.

Tell you to control, take control of the spirit. And which way you come, you tell them which way you go. My updoers do that too, same with me and her. But now that we got our sons all noticed, going to drink because they came back to their mother and father. People come here forever.

I mean, the moon is beginning.

The 2 sisters say father, father.

Father, father.

My dear sister and her father, father too. But people didn't know better. They thought he was just only a prisoner. But then he come back from McLean, uh, Murray Downs. Same link to Aswan.

Yeah.

There's a lot of people that know him and different that don't.

He was a wise one. He was very smart. He was a very smart man.

Really?

Yeah. He made sure when he's— when he had his children, he made sure he backed himself up. He had 2 sons, 2 from this way, 2 from that side.

Really?

And he made sure his oldest one get man here. His 2 oldest ones get man here. And the 2 youngest ones get man that way, like that.

Really?

Yeah. And my daughter, our daughter, he calls her his daughter. She boss for the woman side here. Really? Sit up right in the front.

Sugar Bear.

Really?

Sugar Bear. Them two. When they had that last woman's business here, what they call them now? When they had here with Kundra here. That last, that when the woman would come here, you know? They had their big thing here. That's when them two old lady was live then. We put my daughter right up the front.

Really?

Because her father was fantango.

Oh.

Like my husband.

Yeah.

She—

And she had to sit up the front and give her backbone to everybody.

What does that mean, backbone?

She was like that. She was like that. The boss.

She's the boss? Yes.

That never really. She telling us the story that never really. Like them two never know that they must sit in there, and that that never really. She was like that policeman. You tell them tell they tell her to go check up. You know, they're doing all the right thing. Put them put them that thing right way. You know, they're painting everything. And when when they go at the back and have a look at girl, man, she said I got nothing. And she go and tell that them to all people. Now I got one kitty kitty there. Got no marking.

Someone's going.

You got no marking there. Well, go back and ask her like what her name, who her parents. She would go back and ask them. She would go back and tell them, oh, mother named Lynette and she from Queensland and her father named so-and-so. What? Tell her to come here. She's gonna go sit in the front there.

Really?

Come. She went up to them tall ladies and walked up to them tall ladies. Who your mother and father? Oh, so-and-so and so-and-so. Well, you're used to sitting over there in front of us? And give you a back one. Don't look back. Just sit down like that. So she sat down like that all the way. No panting, no marching, nothing.

Wow.

Just a red oak.

Really?

She's the mother, world mother.

Mm-hmm. Because my husband, he was very smart. He got all his kids lined up, backed up. They backed him up, their story and his story.

Wow. And it's a shiftless family. One brother got out and come back here.

Football.

Different tribe with different uncles. Yeah.

Everybody thought he was just a drunk and a druggie, but he had it all up here.

We were different men when we were together on the village. We knew one another.

Really? Yeah. What changed?

I love Ken Williams.

They didn't like being told off. When my husband told me, like, when he was growing up, his father always told him, don't open your mouth, don't say nothing, don't share your business, don't share my business with anybody.

Really?

Yes.

Certain people that were after his father's business, Really? They came and come here and chat in grog and they'd ask him in front of me. They'd ask him, oh, give me your dad's business, I'll give you my dad's business. I don't know nothing, you just tell them like that. I don't know anything. My father never taught me anything.

When you say give me your father's business, what does that mean?

You give me turkey, I give you a bit of money.

Like songs? Yes. So if they have the songs, then they've got the power. They've got the authority.

All Mr. Wall come under him from this way. Come, he had a snake come this way. I had a snake come this way. One way. I come to him. I always come back to a big brother here. Yeah. My body now gone, so I should be next to my son.

in line after.

Well, I sit back, let them vote on— I don't stop working outside. Yeah, I want our family was there to take over the county when stuff is running. But I would do that side, I would do a lot of message sending. Yeah, in other respect, that side now with the new bosses we have. Yeah, so what is— now we tell you That's why we can let people know now who drive for buses on the inside, that they could come to Grouville.

And men were on the inside.

I got the picture, police look at the inside.

So you're now in charge of women's business?

Yeah, all women's business.

Really, my daughter, but even when I ask her, she won't tell me because she was told, you know, not to tell anybody.

But, but you know, each one pass it good, not— me and brother different. My mother said we be careful what we say.

Yeah, yeah. And he say it too. He say too. You got to be really careful.

Interesting.

You go over there, ask somebody, woman got more power than him.

They can plug me Yeah, like when I first came here, I never knew nothing about language, you know.

Really?

Yeah, really. He used to sit down, that husband of mine used to sit down and tell me.

Talk?

Yeah, because he had nobody else to talk to. Me and him used to They get thing through. You could tell me a lot of things.

What you talking about? What you deaf? Is the grog a big problem in town?

Yep.

That's no joke, but nobody can do anything to stop every man from going back to cattle industry. You got a lot of cowboys here. Yeah. And they could have another store job. They could have working outside.

Yeah. Yeah, everybody getting spoiled for— Yeah.

Come on, blood, they blood willing. Yeah. So they get more blood for the fire.

Yeah.

You see one part of the world gets that voice, next thing you see the world twist. The world gets that campaign thing, you know?

Yeah.

Then a sheep, one jump, the whole jump. Yeah. Yeah.