Decolonizing Our Food System
Dr. Mark Hyman talks with Leah Penniman, a Black Creole farmer and food justice activist, about how systemic racism shaped agriculture and continues to harm Black, Brown, and Native farmers. They discuss health disparities tied to food systems and the case for sustainable, equitable farming.
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I do think that the reverence that we have for the earth by extension the way we treat the land is going to be mirrored in the way.
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Hi, I'm Kaya Perowich, one of the producers of the Doctors Pharmacy podcast. Many of our sustainable farming practices stem from African and indigenous roots, yet racial and ethnic disparities are sadly alive and well when it comes to how food is grown in the U.S. This has not only led to the decline of the Black, Brown, and Native farmers, but contributes to the racial health disparities we see in this country as well. Dr. Hyman sat down with Leah Penniman at the end of last year to discuss these topics. Leah is a Black, Creole, educator, farmer, author, and food food justice activists from Soul Fire Farm in Grafton, New York.
I think people don't realize the magnitude of the health disparities that exist out there. Diabetes, heart disease, chronic illnesses, kidney failure, hypertension that affect Black and Indigenous people, Native Americans, Latinos, far more than whites. If you're African American, you're 80% more likely to be diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. You're four times as likely to have kidney failure. You're three and a half times more likely to have amputations. from diabetes as whites. And it also somehow connects to sort of how our whole system is operating. It's almost like a weapon that is used against these populations, not necessarily intentionally always, but it sort of has been the unintended result of our food policies, of our ag policies. And, you know, the way I think about it is we're facing an unprecedented proliferation of biological weapons of mass destruction, our processed food, which kills literally 40 to 50 million people a year globally from hypertension. So how do you see the role of the farmer shifting this systemic violence, these biological weapons of mass destruction, as I call them? And how do we do that? I mean, what you said is so powerful because food has intentionally been used as a weapon.
I mean, you look at the Greenwood food blockades that were used to punish civil rights activity, literally cutting off food supplies to Black communities in the 1960s for the audacity to try to register to vote. And so I actually don't think it's an accident that our schools, our urban schools, our prisons are filled with these highly processed foods because a population that's not well is not gonna resist. You know, if I'm not feeling well and I'm dealing with diabetes, kidney issues, I'm not gonna show up for a town hall and tell my senator what they should be doing, right? And so I don't think it's entirely an accident, but I do believe it's not just farmers who are responsible for the solution. It's obviously everyone in the food system. But farmers do have a unique role to play because we have an opportunity, one, to see where our food's going and to do what we can to make sure there's equitable distribution. We have the opportunity to make sure that our farm workers are treated fairly, you know, signing on to programs like the Food Justice Certified. And we have a unique voice where we can really get bipartisan ear. Farming is considered a, like, everybody kind of issue, so we can be telling policymakers about the shifts that need to happen on a systemic level.
Exactly. And I think we are seeing a farm system that also has sort of generated out of a series of policies that have led to the overproduction of these highly processed foods and poor and minorities are targeted by the food industry with extra marketing for these foods. When SNAP or food stamps come on with your monthly stipend. It's usually at the beginning of the month, and that's when there's maximum advertising and all these bodegas and local stores for more soda and more junk food. So it's, it's a sort of an intentional process. And, and the other thing that is, is that I not well understood, I think my most, is that your cognitive development depends on your nutrition. So if you're growing up in a poor community with lack of access to nutritious food, with lack vitamins and minerals and phytonutrients and all the things you need to create your healthy brain. These kids are not going to be cognitively where they need to be. I mean, even the exposure on farms to pesticides, these kids have lost 41 million IQ points in farm and food workers, which are among the most dangerous occupations in this country because of the use of these industrial agricultural chemicals. So, we have both the issue of food justice. We also have the environmental racism and environmental justice that's connected to the food system because most of the workers on farms today are brown, mostly Latino workers or migrant workers. They're not protected by the farm, I mean, the Fair Labor Act that was in the 30s because they were excluded mostly because at the time they were mostly African Americans doing the work. And it's a It's a big barrier. So what are the biggest barriers you see to what you describe as decolonizing farming? And can you just take a minute to describe what is the colonization of our food system? Because I think people don't understand that we have a colonization of our food system. Ooh, yeah, absolutely. That was a lot.
That was a lot. Environmental justice, I agree, is absolutely a huge issue, first of all, because we're talking about who's getting environmental benefits and who's suffering from environmental harms. pesticide exposure, extreme heat from climate chaos. We're talking about the affluent from hog farms and, you know, toxic emissions.
Rights are, you know, abuse, sexual abuse and all sorts of things.
Absolutely. So I'm glad that you mentioned, because those issues are certainly linked. I mean, the colonization of the food system is the imposition of European control power and European norms over our food system. And it's quite pervasive. I'll tell a quick story just to illustrate one example of it. You take maize, 9,000 year old staple crop, It was a gift from Sky Woman to the indigenous people of Turtle Island of this continent. It was given to prevent starvation in combination with her sisters, beans and squash, to be grown together, right? Have you all heard of the Three Sisters? Or intercropping, right? Yeah, and there's many, many origin stories, but the condition was that that need to be, the gift of maize needed to be shared freely. So the colonizers got some too, right? As a gift, that's how they stayed alive. But look what they did with maize. Tore her away from the sisters. mono crop, laden with chemicals, pesticides leading to the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, turned into corn syrup, pumped into the veins of our children, driving the diabetes epidemic, right? And genetically modified, BT, terminator seed, all of this.
And so you look- We could go on and on.
Looking at maize, right, is just one example of colonization of the food system.
What's really fascinating about this conversation is that if you do the right thing, for the land. You do the right thing for humans, you do the right thing for climate, you do the right thing for biodiversity, do the right thing for our scarce water resources, right? You do the right thing for all the things that matter. You do the right thing for injustice, you do the right thing for our economy, you do the right thing for health. It seems like too good to be true, but is that how you see it?
I do think it's all really connected. Some of my mentors have taught me how to farm in Ghana. They're called the Queen Mothers, these elder women who are just badass in every way. But they said, me today. Is it true, Leah? Is it true that if you have, want to plant a seed on your farm in the United States, like you don't pray over it or sing or dance or say thank you to the ground, right? You expect the seed to grow. I admitted that was true. And they said, that's why you're all sick. You know, you're all sick because you treat the earth like a commodity and not like a family member. And so I do think that the reverence that we have for the earth by extension, the way we treat the land is going to be mirrored in.
The way we treat ourselves and our human communities. so true. I mean, I, you know, I kind of came into this in college where I, I ended up going to this summer program called the Institute for Social Ecology, which was all about sort of understanding the, the challenge we're facing environmentally to our land, you know, women's rights, you know, various injustices. And, you know, one of the courses I took was biological agriculture. They didn't call it regenerative back then. It was all about intercropping, cover crops, you know, natural pest control through, you know, various plants that you can use like marigolds to repel pests. It was just passing. I learned so much and, you know, we made compost and we, it was like, and I began studying these books like Soil and Health and which was from Sir Albert Howard, who was a British guy who helped start the organic agriculture movement and One Straw Revolution and and all these books, Wendell Berry's Unsettling America, and it just really shaped my thinking. So as I became a doctor, like all that was like in there, right? It was all sort of the underneath, you know, my thinking about how we need to be in relation to the land. But what's really occurred to me now, you know, on the other end of 30 years of that is seeing all these chronically ill patients that are sick from the food they're eating. And then I realized that I can't stay in my office treating patients because it's going to be a never-ending stream unless we go upstream and fix the food system and fix farming and everything coming from that.
Yeah, I mean, we've talked a lot today about the role of the land in providing food and sustenance. Something I didn't know until, you know, the past, maybe five years ago, is the role of land in all civil rights. If you look at the civil rights movement, it was black farmers who were really the backbone. They provided all of the land for meetings, for, People gathering to live and stay while they were doing voter registration campaigns. They provided the armed protection. They leveraged Atlanta's collateral for bail money to get people out of jail when they were locked up. And so quite literally, you know, it's not like you could rent the Sheraton for your NAACP convention in Mississippi. So the Black farmers were the ones who provided the material sustenance for that movement. As one of my elders, Baba Hafkinney would say, without Black farmers, there would be no civil rights movement. And so I think about owning our own land, our own businesses, as really the basis not just for our material health, but also our capacity to resist and our capacity to make ourselves free.
Today, Black people make up only 2% of our farmers and 1% of our rural landowners. This is largely the result of discriminatory government laws and funding, as well as lack of legal and financial resources due to systemic racism. This decline of Black, Brown, and Native farmers has had far-reaching negative impacts. It means a decline of wealth and continued generational financial hardship. It means a disconnection from history and cultural practices that connect people to the land. It also means that these communities don't have access to the same fresh, healthy foods as predominantly white communities. We know that your zip code is more important than your genetic code in determining your risk of disease and death, and that 70% of deaths are caused by chronic disease, mostly the result of our toxic food system. Lack of access to land and fresh food is a form of oppression and it has set up communities for generational illness and strife. You can learn more about these topics in Dr. Hyman's full length conversation with Leah Penniman. If you enjoyed this mini episode of the Doctor's Pharmacy, please consider sharing it with a friend or leaving us a comment below. Thanks for tuning in. hi everyone, I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. Just a reminder that this podcast is for educational purposes only. This podcast is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. This podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. If you're looking for help in your journey, seek out a qualified medical practitioner. If you're looking for a functional medicine practitioner, you can visit ifm.org and search their find a practitioner database. It's important that you have someone in your corner who's trained, who's a licensed healthcare practitioner, and can help you make.
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