How To Prevent And Treat Gestational Diabetes With Functional Medicine with Dr. Elizabeth Boham

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When you're in the second and third trimester, you're getting, you're needing that 300 to 400, 500 extra calories a day. You know, really make it a comprehensive meal where it has good healthy fat, good healthy protein, and healthy fiber in each meal to help keep that blood sugar more stable. Hey everyone, Dr. Hyman here.

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Yeah, well thanks Mark, thanks for having me. It's great to be on with you again. And it's really common actually. They say up to 10% of women have gestational diabetes, which means their blood sugar is too high during pregnancy. And as a result, what happens when their blood sugar is too high during pregnancy is the babies grow too big, right? So they will get they will get overweight when they're born so they can grow too big. Those offspring often have increased risk of insulin resistance and diabetes and weight gain when they're adults. So when women have gestational diabetes during their pregnancy, it makes it harder for that baby to you maintain a healthy weight when they're an adult. So it's transgenerational. It's a baby. Absolutely. Not only is it dangerous for the baby during that pregnancy, they have a higher rate of problems with birth, they have an increased rate of C-section, but their metabolism is damaged. So they have a harder time with maintaining a normal weight as an adult. They have an increased risk of obesity, they have an increased risk of insulin resistance, And for that mother too, if they had gestational diabetes, they have a much higher rate of diabetes post pregnancy, both type one and type two, which is interesting. So they also have a higher rate of cardiovascular disease. They say that a third will develop metabolic syndrome within the next five years. So, you know, it is definitely a risk. So if you were told during your pregnancy that you had gestational diabetes or you were at risk for gestational diabetes, it's important that you are paying attention to your blood sugar, to your insulin level, to that waist to hip ratio postpartum. Because you don't want, you know, you wanna be picking this up early, 'cause it's really much easier to reverse if you pick it up early.

It's really important. You say 10% of women who have pregnancies have this problem, which is a lot. But, you know, when you think about the fact that one in two Americans has pre-diabetes or type two diabetes, you know, that's pretty significant. And the question I have is if 10% have actual gestational diabetes, which means your blood sugar is over 140 after a glucose tolerance test or 126 fasting, how many have pre-diabetes who are pregnant? Yeah. Because it might be, you know, the same ratio as with regular diabetes. It might be like 10% and another 40% of the population might have pre-diabetes who's pregnant. And that also comes with risks.

Yeah.

So even though you don't technically have gestational diabetes, what are the risks of having pre-diabetes when you're pregnant? You know, which may be up to.

Half of all pregnancies. It's really fascinating just to recognize how much what you're eating during pregnancy is impacting your offspring. You know, we know that it's important to avoid the high mercury fishes when we're pregnant and undercooked food when you're pregnant because of infection. We also know it's really important to watch the amount of simple sugars and refined carbohydrates for the for the impact that it can have on your growing fetus and their life afterwards. So, you know, it makes a big, it has a big impact on everybody's life.

And what's concerning to me is that, you know, most obstetrician gynecologists probably are not addressing the pre-diabetes issue. In fact, 90% of people with pre-diabetes are never diagnosed by their doctor.

That's very true.

And I would say, from a functional medicine perspective, that we, by conventional criteria, half of Americans have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes. That's a blood sugar over 100 fasting. It's a blood pressure over, let's say, 140 over 90. It's a waist to hip ratio that's larger than a certain amount. It's triglycerides over 150. It's your HDL under 50 if you're a woman, 40 if you're a guy. Those are the sort of technical definitions of prediabetes. But from my perspective, it's a continuum. and not my perspective, but if you just look even at the risk with increasing blood sugar over 85, which is considered great, right? Yep. There's an increasing risk as you go up and up and up. And even if your blood sugar is perfectly normal, you can still have pre-diabetes because your insulin levels are high. So even if your blood sugar is normal, your insulin can be high and your body's compensating for the Uh, extra carbohydrates you're eating by pumping up more insulin that keeps your blood sugar normal, but the insulin itself causes problems. The insulin itself causes weight gain, causes inflammation, causes more belly fat, makes you hungrier, causes craving. I mean, just all this horrible stuff. And yet I don't think there's probably many practices that are delivering babies that actually even check insulin levels.

Yeah. And what's interesting with pregnancy is our insulin naturally goes up when we are pregnant. And our, our pancreas produces more insulin, it's one of the natural normal mechanisms of pregnancy to help us hold on to weight, but there's a limit to what is normal. I mean, we're learning so much about what is optimal during pregnancy. In the Dutch famine in the 1940s, when there was not enough food around, women were consuming, pregnant women were consuming around 800 calories a day during the pregnancy. And they realized that those babies were born, they did a bunch of research on this, offspring of babies born during the Dutch famine. And they found that those babies were born small for gestational age, so they were underweight, but they had a much higher rate of obesity later in life. So we know that you don't wanna- yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know you don't wanna under eat, you know, that's important. We also know we don't wanna overeat, and we also really know we don't wanna overeat the wrong foods that are causing spikes in blood sugar.

Yeah, you know, my cat was a runt in a litter. came out super, super small. And now he's, we call him fatty patatty caddy because he's like, he just eats all the time and he actually overcompensated and got fat. Yep.

And probably through epigenetics, you know, the whole metabolism has shifted for, for some of these Offsprings. So, you know, officially, the diagnosis of gestational diabetes gets made at around 24 to 28 weeks of pregnancy. There's a one hour glucose challenge test with 50 grams of dextrose. And if, if if the one hour blood sugar is greater than 130, then they go on to do a more careful two hour glucose tolerance test, all done with blood sugar looking. So they'll, you know, if you're fasting, blood sugar is greater than 95 or at two hours greater than 155, you're considered having gestational diabetes. And as we talked about, the big concerns are having a baby that's too big, which is called macrosomia. And that is if a baby is born greater than eight pounds, 13 ounces, and that's considered too big, and we know that that increases their risk of diabetes and insulin resistance and cardiovascular disease later in life. Yeah, it's all true.

And Liz, what I would say is, you know, these criteria are the standard criteria. Yes. And I don't buy it. I don't buy it because, you know, if half of all of us have prediabetes or diabetes and 90% is undiagnosed, the prediabetes is also causing problems. Absolutely. And I think, you know, for women who have extra belly fat, who, you know, may have diabetes in their family, who are eating a lot of refined carbohydrates, even if their blood sugar is normal on this test, I'm not convinced. I want to see the insulin levels. Yep. I want to look at other biomarkers. I want to look at their lipids because it. Because my guess is if we optimize a woman's nutrition during pregnancy to keep them in ideal sugar balance, that the baby is going to be healthier, they're going to be healthier and that the risks are all gonna go down. And I think we're not aggressive enough in how we put our parameters in of what's normal and not normal, right?

Yeah, I agree with you.

Like if your blood sugar is 99, it's okay, but if it's 100, it's not.

Very true.

Does that make sense?

No, and one in every two women, so half of all women of childbearing age are either overweight or obese. And we know that women who are overweight or obese have a higher rate of gestational diabetes. So, you know, it is an area that we have to to pay attention to. It's not the only thing that causes gestational diabetes though. We know that there are some ethnicities that are at higher rates of gestational diabetes, Asian population at higher rates of gestational diabetes, even within normal weight levels. We also know, of course, that having low lean muscle mass, not doing enough exercise. We also know that there's such a connection, we've talked about this time and time again between the microbiome and our toxic exposure. and our genetic makeup that all influence how we manage our blood sugar and our insulin response to a meal that are really critical for us to be paying attention to.

Yeah, and we really are highly experienced here at the Ulchewana Center dealing with people with insulin resistance and pre-diabetes and diabetes and it's 100% fixable.

Yes.

100% preventable. And I think that the approach is really a food first approach. And let's talk a little bit about the diet because I think a lot of women who get pregnant, oh, you know, eat a lot and feed the baby and, you know, eat whatever you want, have ice cream. And, and, and, and I love the question that I get often. Is it safe to eat the Pegan diet or to eat, you know, this way when I'm pregnant? I'm like, is it safe to drink soda and have french fries when you're pregnant? No, it's safe to eat fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds and good fats and clean protein and beans and grains. Yeah.

100%.

It's like, I'm like, you don't need to change your diet. If you're eating a healthy diet, just eat that healthy diet. And it's even more important to double down on very nutrient dense food. And the idea that you have to gain all this weight or anything, it's just nonsense. And I think there's this kind of meme out there. And I don't know how it ever started, but just like that it's okay to gain a ton of weight during pregnancy. It's really not.

You know, it's really important not to, because that really is impacting your outcome, your risk of pre-diabetes, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease postpartum. And, you know, I mean, really what's recommended at first trimester, really there's no extra calories that are recommended. About 350 extra calories a day for a woman in their second trimester and around 400 to 450 extra calories a day in their third trimester. And so it's not a ton of extra calories and it's really important that we're making those extra calories from really good nutrient dense foods so we can feed that baby and that baby's brain properly. Some of the things that we know impact risk too, I mean, there's definitely a genetic component here. And one of the things that I think is interesting to pay attention to is L-carnitine. L-carnitine or carnitine is a really important nutrient that helps the body with using food and especially your fat for energy. And it's really an important nutrient for metabolic flexibility, which means the ability to shift from using your fat as energy and using carbohydrates as energy. And when people have diabetes, insulin resistance, pre-diabetes, gestational diabetes, they're not as metabolically flexible. And sometimes when we look and check, we also find that they're low in this nutrient, carnitine.

Yeah, and where does that come from?

So it, you know, comes from a lot of our animal protein. And some people probably based on either their diet, of course, if they're low in animal protein or based on genetics and just having a increased genetic need.

You know, Carnitine comes, the word carni, which is meat in Italian, Spanish, that comes from carnitine. And the highest source of carnitine in animal foods is lamb.

Yeah.

Yeah, which is my favorite.

I like lamb too. So, you know, I mean, I think that sometimes we have to be a little more careful with patients who are on a lower animal protein diet, or we'll just look at things like carnitine levels in the blood, or we can do functional carnitine levels with an organic acid test that we look at. We look to see where somebody's at in carnitine A lot of really good prenatal vitamins out there. Like when a woman is looking for prenatal, I always say a couple things. You wanna make sure there's methylfolate in it, that it's not folic acid. That's a good sign that it's a good prenatal vitamin. And a lot of the good prenatal vitamins also have l-carnitine in it. And l-carnitine just helps the body's metabolism. It helps it do what it needs.

To do and use those nutrients for energy and fuel.

Exactly.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, you were spot on with the Pegan diet. It's right on, you know, you're saying, okay, avoid the refined carbohydrates and simple sugars. There's no need for them, you know? And I mean, it is important to pay attention to that when you're pregnant. Sometimes, I mean, I know for myself, I would get so hungry so fast. And so if there wasn't good healthy food around, you know, like you said, you can sometimes just eat anything 'cause you're like, I was like, I would have driven through KFC to pick up some chicken and potatoes because I was so hungry so fast. So it's really important to plan ahead and have good healthy food around so when you do get hungry, you've got what your body needs. So really watch the refined and processed carbohydrates, get those carbohydrates from your vegetables, your root vegetables. Make sure you're getting good healthy fat at every meal, good protein source at every meal. and when you need a little of those, when you're in the second and third trimester, you're getting, you're needing that 300 to 400, 500 extra calories a.

Day.

Really make it a comprehensive meal where it has good healthy fat, good healthy protein, and healthy fiber in each meal to help keep that blood sugar more stable.

And you really, so you really don't need bread, you really don't need rice, you don't need potatoes, you don't need sugar.

No, I mean there's no problem to have, if you want to have a little bit of healthy rice, You know, small serving as part of a meal. You know, I think it's fine in moderation, but you don't need extra amounts of it. You don't need a lot of extra amounts of potato. You know, you wanna be thinking about nutrient density and you don't need a lot. And we're not talking about a lot extra calories. You know, 300 to 500 calories is not a lot.

What would that be in terms of food?

Well, so it depends on, it's a great question. It depends on what kind of meal we're talking about. If it's a, if you're having, you know, It would be maybe a half a sweet potato, three ounces of salmon and some a lot of vegetables on the side with a little olive oil. That would be that amount of food. Or from an unhealthy food perspective, it might even be just one muffin. You know, some of those muffins out there are just jam-packed with- One extra soda. Yep, one extra soda, right? So, you know, those are some examples of the 300 to 500 calories. Or, you know, if you have a so like a handful of nuts with some, you know, on some good healthy, you know, seed crackers, you know, great, great source of fiber, protein and healthy fats.

So tell us about this patient you had that had gestational diabetes who you kind of might not have thought would be someone who would have it.

Yeah, you know, I mean, she was, she came to see me at the age of 30 and she was told she had gestational diabetes. she was Asian and she was abnormal weight. She wasn't overweight and she hadn't gained excessive weight. So she was really frustrated with this diagnosis. And so we did talk about the fact that there is some increased risk for Asian patients. So we do see that. And we did talk to her about really paying attention to those extra carbohydrates that she needed to be more careful. So we had to pull out all that extra white rice, you know, I mean, we had to really work to lower the glycemic impact of that diet and really focus on getting, again, her carbohydrates from her vegetables and making sure she's having good healthy fats. And we also gave her, we gave her a good prenatal vitamin that was rich in that methylfolate, had extra L-carnitine to help support her body's utilization of her food for energy. We made sure she was getting enough of those omega-3 fats. and I actually gave her some myoinositol. You know, myoinositol is a supplement that helps support insulin sensitivity and you know, you can use it pre-pregnancy to decrease risk of diabetes and sometimes we can use it with pregnancy. What's really important there is that you work with your own personal physician and make sure that they know that you're taking it or they approve and they think it's okay that you take it.

But I think this case is very interesting for a reason is that is this patient at a normal weight?

Yes.

And she was also Asian. And we know that certain populations are much more likely to get diabetes, whether the Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, African Americans, Africans, but also Asians and East Indians from India. And they get it at much lower weights. So they don't even have to be considered overweight at all, like a BMI under 25 or obese. And this one was was like that. What is going on with these patients?

Right, so it's a great question and I think it's probably multifactorial. The question of is it because they're just getting too many carbohydrates in their diet? So they have a healthy diet maybe, but it's just too much. Maybe she's just getting too much white rice. There's probably epigenetic shifts that have occurred probably because of toxins in the environment, maybe shifts in our microbiome. I don't think we've got it all figured out, but it is interesting.

They tended to deposit visceral fat, this belly fat.

Yes.

Much easier. And, and they might look okay, but they have this little pudge in the middle. And, and that little pudge, even if it's not considered overweight, is still extremely risky. And in this woman, she clearly had pre-diabetes and gestational diabetes that resulted from this, probably a little extra belly fat and this visceral fat. And it was probably from eating all out of refined carbohydrates. And it might not have caused her to gain her total weight to go.

Up, but actually was giving her this risk. I mean, I think that's really important that, you know, as my dad always likes to say, life isn't fair. And it used to drive me crazy, but it's really true that, you know, for some people, they have to be even more careful with the amount of carbohydrates they take in. And that there's a wide range, and we probably all wanna be, I mean, we definitely all wanna be careful in the amount of refined and processed carbohydrates, but some people need to be even more careful. You know, so the visceral adiposity is really important to pay attention to is how much weight you're putting around to your midsection. And if your waist to hip ratio is greater than 0.8 for a woman, then you're putting too much weight around your belly. And that is a sign that your metabolism is not working properly. And you're, you know, the way that you're turning your food into energy isn't working optimally.

And the truth is, the time to think about all this stuff is before you get pregnant. pregnant, right?

Yeah, optimally.

People start taking a prenatal after they get pregnant. You know, you want your nutrient levels tanked up. You want your metabolism optimized. You want your insulin levels low. You want your nutrient dense diet to be dialed in before you get pregnant.

Optimal.

Optimally, yes. Yeah. And I think this is really important because we are not only dealing with the immediate issues and risks of pregnancy and complications from pregnancy that happen with gestational diabetes, but we're dealing how we program through epigenetics the future generations that are coming. And that is something that is a very weighty task and we should take it seriously as a population. And what I'm terrified is we're creating a whole new generation of people that has never happened like this before. So, you know, we're seeing obesity and chronic disease now, but like I said with COVID like the effects of the problems we're seeing in our children and with pregnancies and obesity. We're going to be in trouble in 10, 20, 30 years. Like the generational effects of this on our children, on their health risks, on the cost of society, on the disability and disease that's going to come as a result of it is no joke. And we need to take this seriously. And this is really why we really focus here at the Ultra Wellness Center on food first approach, on food as medicine. That's why I wrote the book Food Fix to really detail why we need to fix our food system. It's not always an individual issue here. We are growing food that's making us sick. We're producing foods that's making us sick and fat. We're marketing the foods that's making us sick and fat. We're giving the food to our population through our government programs that is making us sick and fat and through schools. It's such a pervasive problem. And unless we have a coherent approach that understands the connections between all these things, you know, I'm terrified for what's gonna happen in the next 50 years in this country.

Yeah, and I think COVID-19 really highlighted that and how important it is. You know, we've gotten a little lazy in this country thinking we can fix everything and that we've got such a high population, high percentage of our population that has this underlying inflammatory condition that just puts them at increased risk or getting serious outcomes from this illness and infection. And so it's really highlighted the importance that we have to be dealing more with the prevention of these chronic diseases and like you mentioned, the importance of that food fix and dealing on it on every level from a government food policy all the way down.

Yeah, so I think we have a long ways to go. in helping our society just deal with this. And I think, you know, the, the, the burden right now, honestly, it has to be on individuals and, and particularly mothers who are thinking of having babies who want to get pregnant or who are pregnant to really double down on their health. This is not a time to, to say, well, you know, I'm pregnant. I get to eat whatever I want. You know, the doctor said I can gain weight. It's not a big deal. Just, you know, don't be hungry. I got morning sickness. Just eat a lot of do not do that. You will not be happy, your baby will not be happy, and the future of you and your baby's health is really at risk. So, I think this is such an important topic and we just sort of scratched the surface, but it's really not only about gestational diabetes, but it's about how do we create a healthy human from the start? Because we program that baby's health in the womb and we also have so much impact when we do it right.

I agree, Mark. So it was a great topic to delve into.

Well, thank you so much for being on the Doctor's Pharmacy again, Liz. If you listening have loved this podcast, please share with your friends and family. Leave a comment. We'd love to hear from you and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. And we'll see you next time on the Doctor's Pharmacy.

Thank you, Mark.

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