How To Use The Power Of Your Mind For Spontaneous Healing with Dr. Joe Dispenza

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Week'S episode of the Doctor's Pharmacy. Welcome to the Doctor's Pharmacy. I'm Dr. Mark Hyman and that's Pharmacy with an F, a place for conversations that matter. And if you've ever wanted to figure out why you're miserable, why you're suffering, how your mind drives you crazy, and how to get free spiritually, emotionally, physically, and heal your body using your mind, well, you better listen up because we have one of the world's experts on the science of how to use your mind to create happiness and to heal your body. And that's Dr. Joe Dispenza, who I've met many years ago, we were just chatting about that at Omega Institute, and his work has just exploded since then. He's focusing mostly on the intersection of neuroscience, epigenetics, quantum physics, which sounds like a bunch of very intense stuff, but it's really deep science. around how we heal and how our bodies work around spontaneous remissions. And he teaches people around the world to heal their bodies using their minds and improve their consciousness and make real changes. He has partnered with scientists and universities all over the world to perform research on the effects of meditation and how that affects the brain and the body. He has done advanced retreats around the world and doing these retreats he has collected data It's not just, oh, well, your mind can heal your body. That sounds fun and cool. It's like hard science. And he's done 8,000 brain scans and 4,000 heart variability measurements, which are a measure of your sort of psycho-emotional spiritual wellbeing, in a sense, an indirect measurement. And correlates the effects that sustained elevations in your mood and emotions and your ability to regulate yourself, how they impact your heart and brain function, your immune system, and your mind-body health. And he studied the effects on gene expression, on protein regulation, on immune response, changing your brain chemistry, your telomeres, which determine your aging, and all kinds of variations in your molecular metabolic pathway. So it's pretty cool stuff. He's written a number of books. I encourage you to check them all out. He's a researcher, lecturer, corporate consultant, and he's just got such a practical approach.

To dealing with human suffering, both mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual.

So welcome, Joe.

Oh, Mark, thank you so much for the introduction. I really appreciate it. I'm so happy to be with you again.

Of course, well, it's fun to be with people who are thinking about how do we make things better? How do we make things better for individuals, for society? And you're doing that in spades. As a functional medicine doctor, I started to see a lot of changes in people's mood and behavior and attitude. and cognition by fixing their body. And I wrote this book called the UltraMind Solution about 12 years ago about how the body affects the mind. No one had really been talking about it at that time. Mostly been talking about the mind-body effect. And they're both really important. And I think functional medicine does a good job about healing the body, which can help the brain function better. I always say it's a lot easier to get enlightened if you don't have mercury poisoning, your thyroid's working, you're not B12 deficient, and your microbiome's healthy, right? So it's a lot easier than struggling you can. And I think they're probably enlightened people who aren't that healthy, but it's easier. But your work is really focused on dissecting and going deep into the understanding of how the brain and the mind, which are not the same thing, can be a powerful tool for transforming your life at every level. Your relationship to yourself, your relationship to others, and often really serious chronic illnesses that can be transformed by understanding the power of the mind. And we are, in this society, so focused on the external world. We've been exploring outer space. We just saw Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos going to the outer space. We see Elon Musk going to Mars and all this great exploration. and we've been really good at understanding the outer world, but we haven't really been adventures in our inner landscapes on inner space. And you have been one of the aeronauts, the inner space astronauts, so to speak, that have been exploring the far reaches of our consciousness and our ability to really become fully human, ultimately. And it's just such a beautiful thing. And I think you've learned so much about it, and I want to get deep into it in this conversation. So let's start by talking about how you first became sort of interested in this whole idea of spontaneous remissions, which for those who don't know what it is, means that you have some incurable disease and it goes away. And it's not because you got a medical treatment, it's because something happened that shifted the course of the disease that was most likely coming from your own consciousness. So talk about how you got into that and why you started to study it.

Well, I think, first of all, thank you again. I think for the most part, I've always been a curious person. and I'm always interested in human potential. And at one point, we all.

Read.

Really cool information about mystics and saints and avatars. And for me, that's all good philosophy until you have your own moment. And I was in a triathlon, and I got run over by a truck, and I broke six vertebrae in my spine. And I had to make a decision at that time in my life. because the diagnosis wasn't very good and neither was the prognosis. And I decided if I was going to spend the rest of my life on addictive medications and with surgical rods in my spine or if I was going to see if the mind could actually heal the body. And so that was my wake-up call in 1986. And so I was at the point where I just had to make a decision to see if it was actually the truth. If all of this that I learned was the truth, let's apply it. And so I was lucky enough to have a dramatic change in my own personal health. And then I thought, God, if it worked on me, has it worked on other people? So I started looking into people that had been treating conventionally or non-conventionally and with a certain diagnosis, and their condition was staying the same, getting worse, and all of a sudden it got better. And I just wanted to look at what the cause was that was producing that effect. And so I interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people that had gone through the process. And one of the most fundamental elements that they all had in common, where there were a lot of things that had to do with their mind. And some people had specific diets and specific regimes. Some people use certain conventional and non-conventional protocols, but the commonality primarily was about how the mind was really influencing the body. And they began to really take a closer look at how they were thinking on a daily basis, how they were acting, on a regular basis and looking at how they feel on a moment to moment basis and how you think and how you act and how you feel is your personality. And your personality has a very direct relationship with your personal reality, which means if you want to change your personal reality, if you want to change something about your life, you got to change. And so the process of change then becomes the fundamental process of going from some person that's familiar and known to you and stepping out and beginning to make different choices and begin thinking differently and begin to behave differently and speak differently and feel differently. And if you start thinking, acting and feeling differently, our research shows without a doubt, you're going to have dramatic changes in your biology. And if you do it enough times, you're going to become someone else. And the disease then all of a sudden exists in the old personality and not in the new personality. And then you ask the person, where's the cancer? Where's the rheumatoid arthritis? Where's the immune-mediated condition? It's in the old person. I'm not that person anymore. and so when we started seeing these changes taking place in people that had their own personal remissions, I thought, well, is that teachable? And what is the science behind teaching it? Can we teach people how to begin to change their thoughts? And is there neuroscience to support it? And there's tons. And if you begin to behave differently, can you create new pathways that begin to become habituated over time? And if you stop feeling suffering and you stop feeling pain, you stop feeling and guilt, and you start feeling elevated emotions like joy or inspiration or gratitude, not just in a momentary state like positive thinking, but to be able to self-regulate and maintain that, we could teach that. Could we produce the same effects in people? So, I think this is a time in history, Mark, where it's not enough to know, it's a time in history to know how. And so all that philosophy is all great dinner conversation, but when you're given a diagnosis, Now you got to step out of the bleachers and you got to get on the playing field and you got to start making different choices. And the hardest part about change is not making the same choices you did the day before. And the moment you decide to make a different choice, whether you like it or not, you're going to feel uncomfortable. It's going to feel unfamiliar. You're not going to be able to predict what's going to happen. There's going to be some uncertainty because you're leaving the known familiar self. And so how does the person become the person they are? and why do they keep their health condition the same? And well, most people, your brain is a record of the past. It's an artifact of everything you've learned and experienced at this moment. So most people wake up in the morning, if you think that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are just memories that are etched in their brain that are connected to certain people and objects and certain things at certain times and places. And the moment they start thinking about their problems, they're thinking in the past. Now, because every one of those problems has an emotion associated with them. The moment they start feeling unhappy or feeling sad, now they're bodies in the past because thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body and how we think and how we feel creates our state of being. The problem is that the person thinks of the problem, feels the emotion and that is a thought and feeling. That's an image and an emotion. It's a stimulus and response and that starts the conditioning process to get the body emotionally conditioned into the pattern. past. Now here's the crazy part about it. The familiar past emotionally is producing dramatic effects on the body because the body is so objective that it does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought or memory alone. The body's believing it's living in the same past experience seven days a week, 365 days a year. And the problem with that is that the environment signals the gene. that's epigenetics and the end product of an experience and the environment is an emotion. So the person is keeping the same gene regulated because the body's believing it's living in the same environmental condition. So getting that person to step outside of that familiar known territory into the unknown, where there is uncertainty and have them be comfortable there and begin to think about how they are going to think and how you tell people to.

Give up their identity of who they are, what defines them, their past, their stories, their beliefs or, I mean, you're coming after it, you're going for juggler in our old patterns and our old ways of being that keep us not well and keep us unhappy and sick.

It turns out that's 95% of who we are. So, if we don't address those unconscious programs, you can, and you're an integrative physician, you understand this, you could have the healthiest ketogenic, vegan, intermittent fasting enzymes, food combining, and if your Living in fear, if you're living in pain, the cell is not in a state to actually absorb anything. It's in a state of emergency. In an emergency, there's no growth and repair. So, can you speak to that? I've seen patients like that who do.

Everything perfectly and they're like still sick. And I've seen people who like don't give a crap about their health, but they have the best attitude and they're fine.

Because the body's believing it's in a different environment and growth and repair is what does it. So then we said, okay, Let's see if we can demystify the process. So the concept, the word meditation literally means to become familiar with. If you look at the symbolism of it and you look it up, it's familiarization. So you sit down and you say, okay, I don't want to be unhappy. I don't want to be angry. I don't want to talk trash about people. I don't want to complain. I want to blame. I don't want to make excuses. I don't want to feel lack. I don't want to have an attitude that's, telling me I can, it's too hard, that's the old identity, right? So the moment you start becoming conscious of those unconscious thoughts, the moment you become aware of your automatic habits and behaviors, the moment you can notice that this is actually guilt that you're feeling or sadness or pain, the moment you can become conscious and familiar with those states of mind and body, if you keep becoming familiar with it, if you keep becoming conscious of it, you won't go unconscious. So sitting in a meditation to know thyself, most people all of a sudden, here comes the barrage of thoughts, here comes the propensities and habits, and here comes the emotions. The body's saying, you, normally complain at this time. What are you doing sitting with your eyes closed? Let's think of a reason why you can complain, and the body starts influencing the mind. So if you break it down, if you break it down for a person to understand, how many times Do we have to forget until we start remembering and keep remembering and stop forgetting? That's the process of change. So then you put a person in a meditation and they hear that voice, they hear that chatter, they want to get up and go to the bathroom, they want to check their cell phone, they want to feel angry. And instead of getting up and saying, I can't meditate, see they're coming to the end of the known. So they want to go back to what's known, right? If you teach the person what to do and you show them that on the other side of that is freedom, on the other side of that is joy, you've got to become so conscious and it takes a lot of awareness, it takes a lot of energy to sit with yourself long enough to disentangle from those programs. Now, we now know that it's a formula, that if you follow a formula, you will actually start pruning circuitry. You'll stop the conditioning process and move the body out of the past and it starts liberating energy. that's energy to heal with, that's energy to create a new life, that's energy to digest again. The body's no longer living in survival or living in emergency. The majority of people's emotions then tend to be derived from the hormones of stress. So that we started realizing that the arousal of the stress hormones, the rush of the chemistry, is actually tapping the body's resources and the stronger the emotions we feel, towards any problem or person in our life, the more we pay attention to them. And if where you place your attention is where you place your energy, then you're giving your power away to that person or problem. And if a person can learn to sit in the fire and say, it's not my boss, it's not my ex, it's not my job, it's not the pandemic, it's me. That this emotion isn't serving me because this emotion is the exact emotion that's pushing the genetic buttons that's creating disease. Okay. if I can keep practicing lowering the volume to that emotion, I'll keep taking my attention off that person or problem. And in a sense, the body starts moving back where into the present moment. It starts getting relaxed in the unknown. So we started teaching people the process and by a person overcoming their past, not the trauma, just the emotion. They just have to work on breaking that conditioning process because if you keep doing it over and over again, a habit is when the body becomes the mind. Now the servant, now the body's influencing the mind. So, you teach a person then how to break that conditioning process. The body starts moving into the present moment. It's no longer in the same environmental condition and then all of a sudden we start to see some pretty dramatic changes in people's health.

Yeah, it's pretty remarkable what you're talking about is helping people understand that the voice in their head is not them.

It's a program.

Who is it that's actually aware that you have a voice in your head?

That's the person we're after.

They call that witness consciousness, you know, or non-judgmental awareness or whatever they call it.

Mindfulness.

Mindfulness.

Yes.

And, you know, honestly, Joe, like, It's scary in there. Like, I like your lower self has literally hijacked the road trip. And for me, I'm constantly in relationship to my lower self, trying to see what it's saying, trying to ship the dialogue and flip it so that I'm not constantly repeating these same negative thought patterns that are causing me unhappiness or suffering or disease or pain or whatever it is. And, you know, I've been working this for a long time and I don't find it easy. I find it challenging. It's like it's a four in the morning. My mind just kicks up. about, you know, my ex-wife or like, you know, like, and I'm like, I'm like pretty chill most of the time. I'm like, God, it's just, it's so deep in this wiring and programming. And, and your work really helps people with a methodology to, to deal with that.

Right.

And, and what's, what happens in the work that you've done is so tremendous is that not only do you see the changes in people's lives, but you're seeing changes in their biology, which speak to the underlying physiology of joy, happiness, freedom, you know, right? That is a very new thing. You are familiar, I am sure, with my friend Daniel Goldman and his partner, Davidson, Rich Davidson, who wrote Altered Traits about studying these Olympic meditators who have been in caves for nine years meditating all the time, and their brains look totally different. And you are seeing this not in nine years of being in a cave, but after seven days, right?

Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, God, if you were to ask me, Mark, a year ago or two years ago, if I would think in my lifetime that I would be seeing what we're seeing in our measurements, I'd probably say, Wow, probably not. But it's, you know, it's pretty ambitious because sometimes we see such levels of order in our communities brains when they when they apply that formula, that we just found the articles that said that the mathematical probability of this type of coherence happening in the brain is statistically impossible. And if it occurred, it would occur as a momentary phenomenon that's random. And so our collective groups of people are sustaining these states for extended periods of time. So We can see dramatic changes in people's brain circuitry, but not only their circuitry, but this thing called coherence. Coherence is order, it's rhythm. The antithesis is if you're living in stress and you're living in survival, you feel like you can't control something, you feel like you can't predict something, and you have the perception that something's getting worse. The arousal of those stress hormones causes you to shift your attention from one person to another problem, to another thing, to another place. every one of those elements has a neurological network in the brain. The arousal and the brain is saying there's an emergency, try to control everything, try to predict everything, prepare for the worst, and you start firing all these circuits individually. You shift your attention to your boss, to your co-workers or whatever, and you start causing the brain to fire very incoherently. When the brain is incoherent, we're incoherent, and when the brain isn't working right, we're not working right. The arousal causes us to narrow our focus on the material world. As our senses become heightened and we focus on everything that's physical and material and we start over-focusing, that's what stress does. So we thought, what if we taught people to do the opposite? Instead of narrowing their focus on whatever is material or known to them, let's have them open their focus and broaden their focus and put their attention on nothing physical and put it on nothing. On space, on energy. And if we can create what's called a divergent focus, is it possible that the brain would begin to fire more coherently? And all of a sudden we started seeing the front of the brain talk in the back of the brain and synchronizing areas together and what sinks in the brain links in the brain and all of a sudden you see the person starting to feel more whole. You keep doing that, more coherence creates more energy. The waves start standing and they start building on each other and when that happens, There's an arousal that ultimately takes place in the brain, but the arousal is not fear, the arousal is not pain or aggression, and the arousal is not anger. The arousal is ecstasy, the arousal is bliss, the arousal is love.

It sounds pretty good.

And the person who signs up... Here's the cool part about it is that when that occurs, the stimulation that's being created, and we see these high gamma patterns that are off the scale. The arousal that's taking place is not taking place from anything out there in the environment. It's not taking place from the sports car, the wardrobe, or the movie, or the cell phone. It's happening inside the person and all of a sudden that's a new feeling. They've never had that feeling before and they start feeling connected. The side effect of that is even greater levels of order in the brain and all of a sudden the heart gets very turned on, it gets very signaled and the person is moving into to an elevated state. And that kind of combination of energy between the heart and the brain causes the person to become creative, not a little creative, but really seeing possibilities. They're conscious of things they were never conscious before. And that's a greater level of awareness and that's a greater level of energy. And so people all of a sudden start seeing synchronicities that start taking place in their life because they have a coherent brain and a coherent heart. and you got a Wi-Fi signal and you feel connected to something. You don't feel separate. Stress causes us to feel separation and lack. And this feeling makes you feel whole and all of a sudden all the things that you wanted because you were in lack, you no longer want because you feel like you have them. That's the kind of place where you can relax more into the present moment and enjoy the sunset and enjoy the meal and enjoy the conversation and enjoy the connection because you're present. And I say that that's a skill. It is really.

And our whole society is geared to make us not present. I mean, the phones that we have are just these distraction animals. I think it's hard for us to come back to ourselves. And I remember, I'm old enough to remember when we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have computers, we didn't have anything except postcards and a landline. And I remember the quality of my experience was quite different and the quality of my inner joy was much higher. And, you know, I'm sort of inspired by what you're saying. And I, and it, and I've decided, I decided actually last week that I'm going to go for a month into a cabin somewhere where I'm going to have food delivered, not see another human, and go into a retreat and meditate and be, and have no phone, no computer, no books. I'm not even going to take your books, Joe. I want to take a pen and paper so I can write, but that's it. and it'll just be an interesting experiment to see what it feels like to just be with no distraction and to let all that settle and, and begin to get into the space of coherence. Because, you know, I've noticed that for myself, and I'm sure, like everybody else, that, you know, the, the mind is a hard monkey to tame, and, and it takes us down Pathways of beliefs and ideas and things that take us away from a vibrant, full, joyous, happy life. Hey everyone, it's Dr. Mark. My main goal with diet is to use food as medicine.

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Episode of the Doctor's Pharmacy. What's great about your work is it's not just theoretical and yes, you've got all the science behind it and you're really mapping out the changes that structurally happen, you know, in our bodies. But you talk about these four elements of healing your body with your mind and how we can rewire our brain by changing our thoughts. I mean, so it sort of implies that we have the capacity to master our thoughts, which a lot of us don't agree to. But can you take us through what those four are?

Well, first of all, I want to respond to that because...

Okay, okay.

Because a lot of people, a lot of people don't know what to do when they have that thought. They have no formula that's scientific and practical that if they can practice enough times, if nerve cells that fire together wire together, the nerve cells that no longer fire together, no longer wire together. And if you stick with it, and we can tell you this, that sooner or later that thought is going to start to have a weakening effect on your mind until ultimately it's no longer going to be there because you no longer paid attention to it, no longer accepted it, no longer believed it, no longer surrendered to it. And most people, when they get to this point, Mark, they think, I'm doing my meditation wrong. And I always tell them, no, no, no, no, no. You're actually doing it right. That's what I want you to see. That's staying in the way between you and your happiness. On the other side of that, is a whole new area that you get to wire your brain any way you choose. So then there's an unlearning process before the relearning process. There's a breaking a habit of the old self and a reinvention of a new self. You got to prune synaptic connections and then got to practice sprouting new ones. You got to un-fire and un-wire. You got to re-fire and re-wire. You got to deprogram and reprogram. You got to lose your mind. and create a new one. And you have to unmemorize emotions that keep you connected to the same familiar past and then recondition the body to a new mind and to a new emotion. So then that process, if there's a formula to apply, let's just say, yeah, you sitting in your meditation, it means.

Because it sounds good, right? But how do you get from here to there? I'm sure everybody's thinking, listening.

Yeah, no, it's. But everybody's done. They've done it. They just haven't made it a habit. And so then, if you're sitting in a meditation and you have something to do and your body starts going, I'm angry, I'm frustrated, and it's my ex-wife, it's my whatever, and you go like this to your body, okay, okay, now listen, you settle down and you know exactly what to do, and you tame the animal, you tell it to settle, stay, and you relax it back into the present moment. What I want you to know.

Down, sit.

That'S a victory. That's a victory. And then if the body starts going, I gotta get up, I gotta check my cell phone, I gotta go, I gotta meet, I'm busy. And you notice that your body's habituated into the same predictable future and you settle your body back down into the present moment. Now you're executing a will that's greater than those unconscious programs, and that's a victory. And if you keep doing this over and over again, just like training an animal, The body's going to stay, it's going to surrender to a new mind, and when that occurs, there's a liberation of energy and the person relaxes into the present moment. That's the unknown. The familiar past is the known. The predictable future is the known. The only one place left is the sweet spot of that generous present moment. Now let's get the person so familiar with their unconscious thoughts that when it comes they don't respond to them. So aware of their habits and behaviors. so conscious of the emotions that they typically feel in a waking day, they would never go unconscious to that emotion again. And you say to the person, Hey Mark, what thoughts do you want to fire and wire in your brain? And with intention and attention, if we showed you how to do that, nerve cells that fire together, wire together. Just take a little repetition, a little presence, you start installing the hardware. Keep doing it It's going to become a software program. What does that mean? That's going to be the new voice in your head that says, Mark, you can do it.

If you said, okay, I can teach my inner voice to speak a different language.

Exactly. You can change, you can change the smile. But then they want to talk Portuguese.

Because I think it's a nice sounding language.

But if he then said, Very sexy language.

I think Portuguese is very sexy.

But if you said then, okay, how am I going to be with my co-workers? How am I going to be with my employees? How am I going to be with my ex-wife? What would greatness look like today? And you sat down and closed your eyes and you rehearsed in your mind how you were going to be in every one of those situations. If you study the research in neuroscience, mental rehearsal installs neurological hardware in your brain to look like you already did it.

Yeah, that's when I think about my serve before I serve and I do it better.

Of course, because you produce that mind. So if you keep doing that, you install hardware, practice it and rehearse it, it becomes a software program, which means you start behaving that way. Now, here's the challenging part. Can you teach your body emotionally what the future reality that you want to live in feels like before it happens? Now, this is very difficult if you've been conditioned into believing something in your outer world has to change to take away the emptiness or the lack to make you feel differently. This is saying, actually feel the emotion before it happens and don't wait for the experience to occur. Teach your body what the feeling will be before it occurs. If the environment signals the gene and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, you're signaling the gene ahead of the environment and genes make proteins and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body and the expression of proteins is the expression of life. So teach the body emotionally to self-regulate, to believe it's living in an environment that's flourishing, that's wonderful. Keep practicing it and it'll become familiar to you and the process then creates a new identity and it's not difficult once you understand what you're doing and why you're doing it. And the more you combine all those different branches of science and make it in a simple way to understand, if people understand the what and the why, the how gets easier because you can assign meaning to what you're doing and it becomes instrumental. So get a group of people, a thousand people, 1500 people, 2000 people into a room, teach them that information, whether they're coming for wealth, their health, a relationship, a new career, a mystical experience, get them all together and teach them and measure what can take place in a one week period of time. And I assure you that's more than 75% of the people that go through and go all in and retreat from their lives and remove the same stimulation from their environment and not be in the same conditions and teach them that information and give them numerous opportunities to apply it and numerous opportunities to get beyond themselves. All you need is that first person that stands on the stage and says, Hey, I walked in here with Parkinson's disease. I have no idea what happened, but I'm not trembling anymore and boy, that last thing just something clicked for me and the person in the audience He was watching the four-minute mile right in front of them and going, Wow, that guy looks like he's not a vegan. He doesn't look like he's particularly in shape, but his Parkinson's went away and wow, I mean, if he could do it, I could do it and somebody else changes their belief. And now that's a footprint in consciousness. Get enough people doing that, by the end of the week you're going to see things... We've seen blind people seeing, deaf people hearing, not once, not twice, we've seen people with strokes for 10 years. lift their arms up again. We've seen people step out of wheelchairs, people on crutches, drop their crutches. I mean, you see the body literally recalibrates to a new mind and they're not intentionally trying to do anything. They're just becoming somebody else. But the process of overcoming is the process of becoming. And if you teach people that formula and you get just one or two people doing it, it's just going to become an infection and it's going to, wellness is going to spread just like disease.

That's good. Yeah, yeah, I think health is contagious actually. So, Joe, a lot of people listening are, oh yeah, this all makes sense and, and I'm certainly having these thoughts, but taming the mind is hard and, and a lot of us feel things and have really strong emotions and we think that, that they have a existence of their own. But, but it's really the thoughts that create emotions, right? It's thoughts that create the feelings because we have a belief, we have perspective, we have a narrative, and it can happen in a nanosecond, right? It can happen in a nanosecond, but is that how it works?

Well, as you said at the beginning of the show, there's never a time where your body is an influence in your mind, and there's never a time where your mind is an influence in your body. You have a body in your mind and a mind mapped in your brain. And it's the same. So, to a person then who's become so happy being unhappy, that that familiar feeling in them is something that they enjoy feeling because they don't know who they would be if they didn't feel that feeling. Okay, let's talk about that.

A lot of sick people who see that, without their illness or their identity, and without it, they don't know who they are. And why?

Why? the suffering, and I'm not saying this is for everybody, but that person gets attention from it, gets people to visit, gets whatever they need. But in a sense, they also have relationships where they love to share the same emotions. And if you share the same experiences, you share the same emotions. So, Mark, let's get on the phone and let's complain for the next 30 minutes about how miserable life is. And then I'll try to top you and you try to top me. And we're using each other. to reaffirm some type of conditioning, right? So that becomes the identity. So then let's just say you decide to stop blaming, stop complaining, stop making excuses, stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop talking trash, stop commiserating. You just say, I'm going to quit that. In the first hour you do really well, but the problem is the body's saying, Hey, Mark, this is what you've.

Been complaining about in an hour.

Yeah, this is what you call Joe and you start commiserating. So what does the body say? The body influencing the mind and it starts calling up circuits in the brain that are connected to that emotion that you've been using all along. So then you start thinking about all the reasons you're unhappy. Now that thought leads to a choice. That choice leads to the same behavior. The same behavior creates the same experience and the same experience produces the same feeling and the same emotion and that same emotion starts to influence the very same thought. and now the person returns back to their same biology. The health condition will always be there because it's the environment that looks like it's signaling the gene. But it's the emotion. If the person all of a sudden says, okay, I'm going to do my meditation and you do your meditation at 11 o'clock in the morning, and that's normally when you get on your emails and start judging people, your body's going to say you're out of schedule. So the process of change requires then not only addressing the mind, which is the thought, but also the emotion that's conditioned into the body. And if you break it down for people, they'll be able to distinguish in the process of change, oh my God, like I'm fasting from a breaking addiction. You know, your body's craving, just I just gotta suffer a little bit with somebody and it wants to suffer. you got to be able to work with it and not just to sit there and white knuckle it to learn how to self-regulate, to learn how to make those changes with your eyes open. That's when it matters the most. You practice meditation with your eyes closed. You take your body out for a test drive during the day with your eyes open and you work on staying conscious, right?

I mean, right. The purpose of meditation is to get.

Better at meditation, to get better at life, right? Exactly. Exactly.

Becoming more conscious. Exactly.

Yeah.

And so those four elements that you talked about A little bit of that.

Yes, so it's really simple. So the first thing is that people have this very strong belief that there was some innate intelligence within them that was giving them life. There is some energy, some force of life that made them more vitalistic and less mechanistic. Whether it was spiritual, whatever they wanted to call it, that there was some power within them that they acknowledged that was giving them life. The second thing was They realized it was their own mismanagement of their thoughts and their actions and their emotions that created their health condition. They realized I actually had a strong part in this and they started taking responsibility and really started they decided I got to break the habit of being myself. Now, they really said, if I'm going to live the next part of my life with this health condition, I don't want to live like that person any longer. If I only have six months to live, I don't want to live that way. So they started becoming conscious of their unconscious self and so conscious that they didn't want to go unconscious. And then they started thinking, number three, if I actually had a new lease on life, if I actually could heal, if I actually could live another year, how would I live my life? Now, they didn't say, I'm going to be the same person. They said, how do I want to think? How do I want to act? How do I want to feel? Exactly how I described, they went into an inward process, not even a meditation, just what do I want to tell myself? Let me repeat it. How do I want to live with my family? How do I want to eat dinner? What emotions do I want to feel? And they started changing their personality. They started reinventing a new self. And then the last thing that they had in common is that they started noticing when they would close their eyes and do this, they lost track of space and time. that they thought was like 15 minutes that went by or 20 minutes that went by. And in actuality, it was an hour and 20 minutes that went by. They had no sense of space and time in their inner process. And I was interested in demystifying the process because I wanted to see if we could teach that process that worked with sick people on other people and it worked.

So, you're taking these ancient spiritual traditions and meditation and spiritual practices and you put a lot of structure and science behind it to help the average Westerner who's not familiar with those practices to actually access it, which is really an extraordinary gift. And I'd love to sort of have you talk about some of the practical things that people can do, like gratitude. You talk about how there's 1,200 chemicals released in the body from the practice of gratitude. Yeah. And, and, and again, you know, I'd be scared to know how many molecules come out with the practice of stress and complaining. I don't want to know that.

You know what?

I want you to talk about the Gratitude, the biology of gratitude.

Yeah. So I studied this extensively because we actually look, we took, we did an experiment. We took a group of people that were, came to our event, and we did all kinds of brain measurements on them, and then we put HR heart rate variability. devices on them. We asked them to trade emotions like fear or anger or resentment or impatience or frustration and stop feeling those feelings and just for a few times a day to feel gratitude and we would talk them through it just for 15 minutes, 10 or 15 minutes, two or three times a day. At the end of four days, we were looking to measure if there were any significant changes in their immune regulation and we found out that the body started producing 50% more of a chemical called IGA, immunoglobulin A, the body's natural antiviral, antibacterial, natural flu shot. And so, if when you are receiving something favorable or you just receive something enjoyable, if something wonderful just happened to you or something really amazing is happening to you, you feel grateful. So, the emotional signature of gratitude is something amazing is happening to you or it just happened to you, right? So, it's the ultimate state of receiving emotionally. So, if you can teach a person to truly practice gratitude, there'll be significant changes in the way their heart thumps, the way it beats, and what it starts to do to the brain. We've studied this thousands of times. So, when you start feeling grateful, your heart starts beating in a rhythm that begins to influence or inform the brain that it's safe to create. It's believing in that moment that it's safe to be out of survival and practice that enough times, the body starts to regenerate. So we saw changes in immune regulation, we saw changes in gene expression. Why? Because the body's believing it's living in an environment where the person's dreams have already happened. We only accept, believe and surrender to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state. We never accept, believe and surrender to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state and this is why affirmations don't work. You could say, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm free. And your body's going, no, you're not. You're miserable. So the thought never makes it past the brainstem to the body. Teach a person to change from fear and break that conditioning and practice with enough times creating the same feeling of gratitude as automatically as they did with fear. It makes sense then that in a very short amount of time you can see very significant changes in how the body regulates and how it functions and the heart then starts to beat in this beautiful, beautiful coherent state. And so we started looking to see if teaching people how to do that and sustaining it, if it made significant changes. And without a doubt, when we accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts that are equal to the emotional state of gratitude, that information programs the autonomic nervous system into a different destiny. So then teach a person how to be in a state of receivership and gratitude, they can program their brain and body a lot quicker than when they're feeling fear and anger because you get the diagnosis. The moment you get the diagnosis, you notice a change in your internal state. You're changed. When you notice that change in your internal state, the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot. That's called a long-term memory. The doctor says, you, have six months to live. You have this condition. This is what happened. All that information is going in because it's equal to the emotion of fear. and get the person out of that state because that's a state of survival and you're losing energy in the body and in gratitude, you're regenerating energy. So get the person to a state of gratitude and then teach them how to program their brain and body. Then you start seeing changes in their autonomic nervous system.

Yeah, seems like the biggest pharmacy is between our ears, right? And that you're teaching people how to access that. The challenge I see for people and I am thinking about this very selfishly and personally is, okay, I meditate, but is that enough? If I meditate 20 minutes, twice a day, and I do sort of a mantra meditation, I still have this relationship to my thoughts that I struggle with. So, are there other practices that you teach that help people to really break that pattern? Because it is not just about sitting. It is something else that has to happen as well.

-Sure, sure. And well, first of all, Absolutely. Meditation is not just to meditate and then get up and return back to the same person flipping people off on the freeway and judging your partner. That's going back to the old self. Meditation is to prime the brain and body into a new state of being, right? And then maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day. You got to be able to practice it with your eyes open that no condition no circumstance in your environment, no person, no thing, no craving in the body, no wrong choice. You got to be able to sustain that state. And if you can, get ready because there's going to be changes in your outer world. That's the law. So when we started studying people that were healing in this work that were diagnosed, a lot of them with immune-mediated conditions, Mark.

Like autoimmune diseases and... Yeah, autoimmune diseases.

From cancer to rheumatoid to everything in between. They noticed that when they started doing the meditations, they started their well-being came back, but their blood values and their markers never changed. And it occurred to them, My God, I have a great meditation. I feel amazing. But then when I get up, I return back to the same worrying person. Now I gotta step it up. I gotta make the changes with my eyes open. And when they started doing it with their eyes open, that's when we started seeing the blood values and everything changing. So in our retreats, you can sit as it and get really good at it, but then there's four types of meditation. There's a seated, there's a standing, there's a walking, and there's a laying down. And so if you're going to become that person you want to become, you better be able to practice doing it with your eyes open. So we teach people a thousand, fifteen hundred people on a beach or in a park. It's really cool to watch. Everybody get that, open their hearts, get in that elevated state and move into a new state of being. And then let's open our eyes and now let's practice walking with our eyes open as that person, no different than rehearsing for a play or rehearsing and becoming that person. And if you do it enough times and a person understands that if they could really, how would I walk if I could heal my body in an hour? Who am I going to leave behind here? and who am I going to walk as? And a lot of people just hit it. And when they do, you see dramatic changes in their health because they're actually embodying the energy of their future. So we practice seating, sitting, we practice standing and walking, we practice laying down. We practice it all ways because we want the person to become that very person in one week. And if they do, our research shows there's dramatic dramatic biological markers that change, not small amounts, like thousands.

What are you seeing? What are you seeing?

Wow, oh my God. Just everything from methylated DNA to changes in cytokines, the changes in immune markers to suppression of ATP in cancer cells. to down-regulating genes for Alzheimer's and we just see dramatic changes in people's biology.

And you mentioned gene expression changes too. Can you talk about genes? Because we don't really think about our thoughts changing our genes, right?

Yeah, so I mean again, I'd like to simplify it for the average person, for us regular people. And it's really simple. I mean, your body's a protein-producing machine. And muscle cells make muscle proteins, they're called actin and myosin. Skin cells make skin proteins, they're called collagen and elastin. Stomach cells make stomach proteins, they're called enzymes. And every cell in your body except red blood cells makes proteins. And proteins are responsible for structure, holding it together, and function and physiology, how we work. It's messengers, right? But in order for a cell to make a protein, a gene has to be regulated. So they used to say genes create disease. Well, you know this, less than 1% of the people on the planet are born with a genetic health condition. Everything else is lifestyle, it's behavior, it's stress. So then is it possible then that if they say now genes don't create disease, it's the environment that signals the gene that creates disease. Take two identical twins. You watch one age, dies, 54, the other one lives to 83. They don't even look like the same person, share the same genome. Well, the environment was signaling the gene expression to make certain proteins and the person develops a different condition because it's the environment that does that. But here's the problem. But if the environment signals the gene, the outer environment of the cell is the inner environment of the body. And what is that? That's the emotions or chemical physical and emotional balance that we have to maintain. So if a person's just constantly living in fear and even if the environment is wonderful and they're on vacation and they keep remembering an event or anticipating a future and they're bringing up the emotion of anxiety and fear, it makes sense then that the person's signaling the gene outside of the outer environment because they're making the emotion in their inner environment, then there's no difference. And so, if that happens, the constant effect by the hormones of stress downregulate genes and create disease. And if you can turn on that stress response just by thinking about your problems, then your thoughts are literally going to make you sick. Yeah. So, if your thoughts can make you sick, Can your thoughts make you well? And you cannot begin to see changes in a person's health until they stop regulating the same genes the same way and they start up regulating new genes and down regulating old genes. And if they do that, they start producing different enzymes and different chemicals and different hormones and their body begins to scale in a different direction.

It's so powerful. This work is so powerful. How is it different from other forms of meditation or practice that people are doing?

Gosh, to be really honest, Mark, I don't even know what anybody else is doing. We're so immersed in the stuff that we're doing. Basically, what I am, I'm a pragmatist. You want to talk about quantum superimposition? To me, if it has no effect on my life, I'm not interested. But if it's a practical application, I'm interested in the practical application. So, we look at I was going to say we have over 13,000 brain scans now. We look at real-time brain scans. I'm looking at your brain in one hour, an hour and 10-minute meditation, at certain moments, I'm watching what you're doing if you can actually change your brain waves and if you can sustain those changes. Can you do it again and make it a habit? Can you make it a skill? Can you repeat it enough times that you can do it more automatically? I'm watching the words. We're watching the words that I'm saying. I'm not studying any tradition, any ancient scriptures. I think that the moment you start talking religion or tradition or scriptures or spirituality, you're going to divide an audience. I think science creates community. And so what we do is we look, we've actually created, when you see a person move into love or gratitude and you see what that does to the brain in instant. It informs the brain to be creative. When you see that and you see this dance between the two, and you turn around and you look at that person and they got this big smile on their face, they're so in love with the moment, they don't want it to end. They're in a, and there's very strong biological changes. So we're looking at scans of hearts and brains, we're looking at collective scans of people just to see if we can demystify the process. I don't want to shut an audience off with a word. I want to create new words that are science-based. So the meditations that we teach all have meaning behind what we're doing because we've studied the scans and studied the effects and it has certain intentions of why we're doing it. Whether we want to signal new genes, whether we want to create more brain coherence, more heart coherence, we want to create coherence between the brain and the heart. What is it that we want to do? we have different meditations, you know, for different intentions. Really. It's so great.

And, and, you know, your work is so accessible. And I, I just would love you to share a little bit about the kinds of offerings you did, because, you know, people listening go, wow, this sounds great. And how do I, how do I really change my mindset? How do I rewire my brain? How do I, you know, get different neurons to fire together? How do I practice gratitude? How do I, how do I begin to shift my emotional States by changing my my beliefs.

And.

It'S something that we need a hand for. It's hard to do on our own and your work is just such a beautiful collection of offerings. There's a scientific research and you can go on your website, drjodispensa.com and look for that. But you've got a wonderful new online course, the Formula, which is 12-30-40 minute lessons and five meditations and a study guide. and allows people to access this in an easy way. It's affordable in the comfort of their own home. So can you share a little bit about that course and then let's talk about some of the other things you're doing like the live events and other things.

Sure. Thank you, Mark. So again, a lot of times we have a community that definitely we're very interactive with and one of the things that people kept saying is okay, My husband, he's not going to watch the weekend course, he's not going to do the study course. My boss notices that I'm very different, but he's not ready for this. My best friend, she's just ended a relationship and she can't stop complaining, and I'm not the right person to tell her. Can you do something that's a little bit simpler and just more easily bite-sized that people can digest? So when we started looking at the process of change and transformation, we figured out it was a formula that just like dancing the salsa or hitting a golf ball or hitting a tennis ball or giving a speech, if you learn the practice of it, it gets easier. So we did this course called the Formula and it's become super popular because basically what we're doing is we're giving you the science and the basic understandings and then you get five meditations after a few of the courses. You practice one and then you build on that, you practice the next one. then you build on this and you practice the next one, you put it together, and the model just keeps expanding. So, we wanted to make it something that was easy for people to wrap their mind around, and not too long and not too heady. So, we did the formula and launched it.

That's great. And people can go to DrJoeDispenza.com and find it.

Yes, yes. It's on the website.

And then the other thing I want to have you talk about is Dr. Joe Live, which is your monthly community question and answer. And then share a little bit more about the live events because I think those are really immersive, intensive, week-long events. And, I've known people who've gone to those and I really want to go. And, I think they've had real transformational experiences. It's one of those game changers for people.

Dr. Joe Live is just a great thing that we do. It's an international service. We have a community of hundreds of thousands of people around the world. And one of the things is that people have questions. And the questions really are not about theoretical concepts, but more about the practical application. And so every month, the last Thursday of every month, I get on there and I just answer questions and I talk for a bit, 30 minutes or so, develop a concept, how we develop anxiety, how we develop depression, how to create brain coherence, how not to create hard incoherence. We just pick a topic and break it down for people. So when they sit down and they do the work, they remember. And they can assign meaning to what they're doing. So it's just become super popular. And you don't have to be on the call. You can subscribe and then they send you the recording and you can listen to it.

And it's free.

Yeah. It's free. No, that one is a $10 a month service.

Okay, well that's a pretty good bargain. And how about the live events? Share about what those are like and then also when you talk about the events, talk about the kinds of experiences people have, the transformations that occur, what.

Happens in there, what to expect. Sure. You know, we started doing these weekend workshops and when we did, we started seeing people have some really dramatic health changes and I thought, okay, let's go from, you know, Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, let's do a four and a half day event. So we started elongating the events and started seeing more healings and more changes. Then I thought, God, if we could have people for seven days, it would be really awesome. We started doing these seven-day events. We've done 30 of them now, in fact. It's probably, for me, the greatest place I want to be. When we solicit our community and ask them what they think of the week-long event, over 95% say it's the best week of their life. It's just really transformative in a lot of ways. You know, I mean, it's an opportunity for people to retreat from their lives for just a whole entire week and remove the constant stimulation in their external environment that reminds them of who they think they are, you know, to separate themselves from all the people and places and things and learn vital information and then learn the science of how to change and learn the science of how to create a new life and give people lots of opportunities. They're long days, they're full, and it's super transformative and fun. we do a lot of scientific measurements there, of course. But you'll witness some of the most incredible miracles in a one-week period of time. We just had a guy that was a veteran, a Green Beret, that had a lot of physical injuries and accidents and had PTSD, had brain injuries, he had broken lots of parts of his body and was pretty much suicidal at this point. And he went and had two knee replacements. And when he came out of the surgery, he said he felt like his feet were on fire. And after a couple of months, he asked the doctors to cut his feet off because he couldn't handle the pain. And they said, We can't guarantee that...

The pain will go away.

Pain will go away because of phantom pain. So anyway, he came to the event, Salt of the Earth, ex-military guy, just wide open, doesn't know anything. tell me what to do, perfect person. And he came in a wheelchair. His wife wheeled him in a wheelchair. And somewhere around the third or fourth day when we did our first laying down meditation, something really profound happened. He had one of those arousals and he felt it move right through his autonomic nervous system and an incredible amount of order. And when he opened his eyes, he had no pain. in his feet after that moment. Now, within two hours, we were out there doing a walking meditation, and he went from his wheelchair to two crutches on the beach there, and sat out there, got in his heart, remembered that if he could feel the emotions of his future before it happened, his body would believe it's living in a different environment, a different reality. And this guy had nothing else to do. Nothing else was working, so he went all in. And then I see him out there the next day, Mark, and he's standing there with one crutch with his hands locked in over his crutch, and I'm just looking at him, the wind's blowing in his hair, and he's just, as you could just tell, this guy is hooked up. And there's 1,500 people on the beach, and he's right in front of me. And I swear, you can ask anybody at this event, I turned around, and this guy was running down the beach. And the volunteer that, you know, because with people with crutches or wheelchairs or handicapped that we have volunteers, the volunteer is running after him. Running after him. Running after him. And then I see him run back and there's no volunteer. He just dusted him and he said he had connected to something so incredible, so big that he felt like he was, you know, literally born again. And to this day he runs now. He has no pain. He has no depression. He has no suicidal tendencies. I mean, he's in a new body. he's in a new life, he's in a whole new future. And so you see those, you know, and you know, you just can't go back to business as usual. You just can't be the same person again. And then we do a lot of healings also on other people now because we've, in fact, we have universities now that are studying what we're doing because our effects are so incredibly dramatic. And so we do a lot of coherence healings on other people and again, studying the effects We had random event generators in our last event measuring if we were creating huge fluctuations in the field. Of course, they were so obvious, I just looked at the data yesterday. And I love people to see it. I want people to see it. And if a person is part of someone else's coherence healing, I want them to know that they healed that person. I want them to know how powerful they are. And I don't care what they eat, what they believe in, I don't care where they're from, the color of their skin, how in shape, out of shape they are. I've talked to all of them. Nobody is excluded. That all forms and walks of life are doing this collectively and it's becoming a new consciousness. And what I mean by that is what I'm saying is consciousness is awareness. The moment you become aware of possibilities that you are unaware of, now they exist. And that means that other people can step into those footprints, not just as a possibility. But witnessing the possibility in front of them is truth because the person who's standing on the stage who's talking about how their stage four cancer went into remission and there's no metastasis in any bone PET scan and you can see the before and after, I'm looking at the audience and everybody is leaning in. You know why? Because they're looking at truth. They're staring truth right in the face and they can't deny it. And that person isn't telling a glamorous story. They're going to tell you the real facts of what happened to them, and it's going to be relatable. And so we have really compelling evidence in our scientific studies, and we have really compelling evidence in our testimonies of students in this work. Incredible. Evidence is the loudest voice, and that's what's going to make a difference.

That's so great, Joe. This is such good work, and I'm just so proud of you for doing it. bringing this everybody. I know it's hard to schlep around and do all this work and, but your service and it's just a beautiful thing to see. And I can't wait to go to your next workshop.

I can tell you, you're invited. Okay, well, now you don't have an excuse.

No, I don't. I haven't the time. And, you know, I actually just was clueing into my own self-awareness and my own level of well-being and my own suffering or negative thoughts. And I've been going through some stuff lately that's been challenging. And just having this conversation with you, I feel totally transformed. And I'm like, wow, okay, well, I'm going in for the week if I can get this in an hour.

So.

I really thank you, Joe, and thank you for doing the work you do and for being on the doctor's pharmacy podcast. And I encourage everybody to go to Dr. Joe's website, Dr. Joe Dispenza, follow him on social media. and you will not be sorry. He's a good man. He's got a beautiful heart and he's doing good work in the world. And who knows, it might just help you with what you're suffering from. And, and, and I think that's the game, is to move from suffering to freedom. And you provide a road map. And I thank you. So if you've listened to the podcast, you loved it, share with everybody who needs it, which is pretty much every human on the planet, and leave a comment. Have you transform your own negative Consciousness and use your mind to heal yourself. subscribe wherever you get your podcast, and we'll see you next week on the doctor's Pharmacy.

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