Listening to the Body: Burnout, Breath, and the Oral Health Connection

Hi everybody, I'm Dr. Sanda Moldovan, periodontist and nutritionist. Welcome to the Holistic Dentistry Podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body as we explore together the root cause of disease. Remember, you're not healthy until your mouth is healthy, so take care of it in the most in a natural way. Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode on the Holistic Dentistry Podcast. With me today, I have a very special guest to talk about how longevity and spirituality are connected, and you might find some surprising connections there. Dr. Sri Momaneni is a traditionally trained doctor. However, through his journey, he really learned to combine longevity and spirituality to make people feel fully alive. And I think in today's world, we have a tendency to really focus on supplementation and testing, but really don't know how to integrate the spirituality part like the Greeks used to do years ago. So Dr. Sri, welcome to today's show.

Thanks for having me. Appreciate being here.

How did this happen for you? How did this all occur to you to even go that direction with medicine? Was there a personal journey or was it a patient journey?

I think it was a combination of those two. I had a personal journey where I had a, I was really sick with COVID to a point where I would've been in the hospital if I was older. And it kind of made me think like, I thought I was in really good health, but there was something else obviously not working well for me to be that sick with something like COVID. And it led me down a path of exploring what's missing and what else could we add to our health that's not just like what our labs are showing or just You know, what our vital signs are showing. There's something missing that I felt was just like a, another link towards people really feeling fully alive. And honestly, like I've always struggled with medicine since I got into medical school. It's been tricky for me because it was always like, wait till something happens and then you give 'em a pill or you give 'em surgery and then, you know, hopefully that stuff works out. And then, you know, if there's nothing wrong with you, then you don't need to go to a doctor. There's just no point in seeing me if I became a doctor. So I was always curious, like, why do Do we have to wait for someone to get sick before we take care of somebody or, or provide something for them? And I've come to the realization that our system is based on, you know, it's sick care. Are you sick or not sick? And if we're always toggling that line, you're gonna have more people getting sick. But if we raise the bar to like, are you living your best full life? If everything you're doing is going towards that goal, then we're not really worried about the chronic disease things that's happening because we're not gonna be doing the things could lead that lead to that. You know, we're gonna be doing things. It's what's gonna make me come alive every day. What's gonna be, make me be the best mother, the best CEO, the best whatever I wanna be. As opposed to like, well, I just wanna make sure I don't get sick. I don't, I don't have, I don't wanna get diabetes. I don't wanna get heart disease. But it's like, no, how do I show up every day as the best self?

Yeah.

And if we look at that lens, then we can really push towards full vitality and full health.

And you know, the thing is, a lot of us today in the busy world that we live in, don't even think about stopping and actually asking that question, you know, saying, am I living my best life? And actually, because you generated this question, it makes me think about, you know, maybe I should take some time to think about that. What would that even look like? So, so how do you start to have that conversation now with your patients, or is something that you are doing, or?

Yeah, I, I think that's part of any conversation I have with somebody I'm trying to support is like, what is it that they're looking for? You know, what do you really want? So, you know, when I'm like in the biohacking space, there's a lot of people pushing like, hey, let's get a little bit more focus. Maybe I want a little bit more energy. But it's like, why? You know, a lot of times it's like, well, I wanna be able to do my Excel spreadsheets a little better, or, you know, sit at my computer and do some more work. Like, is that really what you want? Honestly? I think for most people that's no. So, you know, the question is, what are you really looking for? And that's where come in, I think the idea of authenticity comes into play. You know, a lot of times we get in this world, we're like, oh, I'm supposed to achieve this thing and I'm supposed to get this result, have this much money, have, you know, 2.5 kids and then have a house like this. And then, you know, then I'm, then I'm successful. I'm happy. But is that really what you want? Is that really what's driving you? Um, yeah, that, that question's come up a lot for me because I've noticed over the last 5, 10 years, working in different spaces, whether it's meditation, breathwork, psychedelics, therapy, when people drop story, baggage, conditioning, all that stuff, that's when they start really coming alive. Like even for my own personal health, like when I come back from a, a retreat or some sort of journey, people are like, hey, you look younger. What did you do? I'm like, well, I let go of the idea that I've gotta be something I'm not.

Absolutely.

That's a huge plus. And that, you know, you, there's even data that shows like if we look at lab markers, all those numbers just get better. There's a whole cascade of things just improving blood pressure, cortisol, insulin levels, um, all just get better when you drop our story, our programming of what mom told me I should do, or, you know, for me to be successful, I have to do this, or this is what that guy on Facebook said I have to be to be successful. We let go of all that and do what we want to do for ourselves. That allows us to be so pure and clean that it's like literally getting rid of the resistance. We're no longer swimming upstream, we're just flowing. And a lot of the energy expenditure we put out today is to do things that don't really line up with what we want. Oh, and so we're pushing and forcing ourselves. And if we can let go of that, it just, it's just such a beautiful blossoming of who we really are.

Yeah. And, and we have people listening to this show that are dentists and, uh, business owners and hygienists.

Mm-hmm.

They work very hard and they're basically in that rhythm pretty much every day.

Yeah.

How does somebody even start to you know, practice what you're talking about? 'Cause I think it's so important for so many of us that are overachievers out there.

Well, it, that's a great question. I think you can start with a few things, right? Like how, how much stress and anxiety are you feeling and where is that coming from, right? Are you worried that this practice isn't working and it's not succeeding, or you're worried that you're just not doing enough? Kind of check in with yourself. I think to me, when I say spirituality, it's all about connection and the main first number one connection you have is to yourself and kind of sit and have like a little bit of practice of awareness, right? What am I feeling when I get up in the morning? Am I energized? Am I ready to go to work and do the things I need to do? Or is there like something that's kind of pulling me away from that and saying, hey, maybe it's time to slow down? A lot of times when people are successful or really, you know, in your, in your field and they're entrepreneurs and they're building a practice and they're they've got a panel of patients and things, and then people get burned out. To me, burnout starts way before when we are disconnected to our bodies, right? Because we might, our bodies would tell us like, hey, maybe you just slow down a bit, or maybe that's not the right path to go, or, you know, is this the right thing we're doing? But we, you know, in our world today, it's like, nope, we have to be tough entrepreneurs and we just push through and, you know, We're tough and we're just gonna fight through it when actually our body's our biggest, you know, meter. It's like a great signal and says, hey, something's not right. Let's take a look at it and align with it better. So if we can step back, get into some stillness, we can then have an idea of what's really happening in our body and then use that as our gauge. Cause I think most of the time everyone's kind of like up in their heads and saying, hey, I should do this, I should do that, I should do this. And it's not really listening to what your body wants. Our world's been like, oh no, you can't listen to intuition. That's not right. You gotta be pure science. You gotta be logic. You gotta be. Everything, you know, as a scientist, I mean, I was a double major in chemistry and biology. It's like, that's a whole different world for me. But in, in reality, our bodies have so much knowledge and innate knowing that we kind of have to follow it. And so that's where I've been exploring is like, how can we come back into our bodies, come back into our awareness? And when you're a dentist, you know, with a busy practice and you're building something out and you're really taking care of people and helping people You know, in that way, it's like maybe there's some time to kind of step back and take some self-awareness and say, what is it that I'm doing? And is it, am I doing it? A question I always ask is like, am I doing this out of fear or am I doing this out of love? And if the answer is fear, it's like, why are you doing this thing out of fear? Maybe you should look at doing something more out of love and wanting to do something as opposed to like, no, if I don't do this, something bad's going to happen. Going down that path kind of helps you step back and take a look at your world. In a beautiful way, and then you can start aligning to what you really want.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I, I, of course I can definitely relate to everything you're saying because, you know, oftentimes I'm, you know, at the office and I'm busy treating patients and I don't even realize I, I'm all, you know, trying to understand and feel and treat, and I don't even feel my body because I'm in that mode where I'm, my attention is outside. And then, you know, when I get home, I realize, oh my God, that really took a toll on me. So, yeah.

Yeah.

It's, I think it's really important to, you know, learn to take care of ourselves so we don't get sick. And by really tuning into the body, it really helps to, to heal things, you know, cuz we also need healing just as much as patients. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I, I, I think so. As somebody, you know, who's taking care of people's health, you're gonna, you're gonna extend yourself. You know, if somebody calls and like they need to see you right away or they feel like they need to see you right away, you're like, I'm here to take care of this person and help their health. So let me squeeze them in and let me, do the, go the extra mile for this person. Sometimes we have to listen to ourselves and just say, you know, I'd love to help you right now, but maybe come in tomorrow. Or, you know, I need, take time for yourself because it's cliché, but the whole idea of the gas and put the air mask on before you put it on someone else that we do in the planes, it's important, you know, taking care of yourself so you can show up as well as you can for your patients. You know, at the end, that's what we want, right? Is to provide the best care we can. And if we're constantly pushing ourselves to the edge and wearing ourselves down, we're not gonna show up for that 20th patient that day or the 40th patient that day as we are gonna show up for the first or second, you know? So, sure. We have to make sure we can take care of ourselves in the long run, right? Cuz you're gonna be doing this for, if you wanna do this for as long as you want, you know, you don't wanna burn out right away.

Yeah. You, and you often say, Sree, that burnout starts with disconnection. What do you mean by that? Is that disconnection from self or disconnection from others?

Yeah, I think definitely it starts with disconnection from self. And as I mentioned before, kind of pushing through and, and not listening to ourselves, right? Not listening to our body when we're tired, not listening to our body when something feels off. Okay. You know, it's like, well, no, let me just push through. That'll be fine. Or, you know, I'm not a quitter. I'm not this, you know, we have our own judgments of ourselves. That says we have to be 100% all the time and pushing. So when your body gives you signals and says, hey, maybe don't see that last patient at 7:00 PM, you know, or, or signals like, hey, you know, this is a bigger caseload than you, you, you're able to handle right now. I think, you know, this week you need to take it slow. Next week you can push. All those little things that we kind of just ignore. You know, like when we're fall, we're getting sleepy at like 9, 10 o'clock at night, you're like, no, no, I'm gonna stay up till whatever and watch this show, or I need to, you know, prep for this thing or whatever. Those little signals, signals, the more we ignore them, you know, our bodies just starts wearing down. It's like, you know, the check engine lights in your car is blinking, but you're like, or the car's making a noise, so you just turn up the radio instead so you don't have to hear the noise and you just— we tend to do that with our bodies all the time, you know, and especially in the health health field. So that's where everything starts. And then the more you push through that, that's when the burnout starts and you start not really being yourself anymore. 'Cause you've ignored all the signs that came before. So that disconnection is where we need to go back to. And self-awareness, understanding ourselves is where it all starts.

Yeah. And, and then, you know, with that burnout, do we start not liking what we're doing anymore? 'Cause I know I have colleagues of mine, dentists that are like, you know, I don't longer like dentistry. I, you know, I hate going to the office because they're just just so burned out, but they don't know how to turn that around, how to replenish, how to heal, to be able to actually enjoy again what they used to enjoy. So yeah, how do we even, uh, when people are busy and overwhelmed, what are some simple daily habits that make the biggest difference on how they feel?

Well, usually at times the, you know, just to kind of get your nervous system to calm down a little bit so you can go through that day and stuff. Some of this, some really good things you can do is just breathing. A lot of times is, you know, the breath is amazing. It's one of the things that we can control. And also like if we wanna let it go, it just does its own thing and keeps us alive. Right? So it's a beautiful place to start cuz controlling your breath can control your mood, can control your whole nervous system. So just take a second, take some deep breaths that go down into your belly, fill up your lungs. There's a breath called the physiological sigh that you can do where you breathe in through your nose, fill up your belly about as much air as you can get in, and then take a little bit more air and then exhale out your mouth and exhale a lot longer than you— than the inhale. So if the inhale was like 5, 6 seconds, you're exhaling 12, 10, uh, you know, 15 seconds. And you do that for a couple minutes or even a minute, um, you're going to calm down, you're going to feel relaxed, you're going to be able to— be able to think much better and then make right proper decisions after that. So you're not in this mode. So a lot of times we get caught up, we get stuck, and we hold our breath, or our breath is very shallow and rapid, and that puts us in the survival mode. And that's that fight or flight mode. And that brings us down into our old animal brain and all the things that we use in healthcare, which is our big, big, excuse me, big beautiful brains go offline. So let's get them back online.

Yeah, don't worry, you can recover. We can actually, uh, edit this. We can. Yeah, yeah, something.

That was weird.

Okay. Like, uh, you knocked off one, uh, one of the things that people use in medicine. I don't know what you wanted to say. You want to play it down?

Yeah. So just catching your breath and, and slowing down and allows your brain to start working cuz otherwise you're just kind of going off a reaction and not really responding. So that's one amazing thing is just to catch your breath. Other simple things is just getting, making sure you get some morning sunlight without any glasses or anything like that. Just kind of helps your circadian rhythm get going. I also like grounding. So if you have time to go outside, put your feet in the sand or the dirt, it really works. Like the earth kind of takes away all your stress. It's like, it sounds very woo woo, but there's really good clinical data that shows that grounding regulates your nervous system. So those simple things can do well. The other beautiful thing, something that all the people that live the longest have is connection to other people. So if you can spend time with family, loved ones, you know, maybe just tell somebody, hey, I'm just gonna vent for 5 minutes. You don't have to respond, but just let me get it off my chest. It'd be great. And then, you know, share that with them and then, you know, connect with people in a beautiful way. Tell, you know, living in gratitude also works. So be thankful that you're able to kind of show up to work every day, take care of people the way that you do. And then coming from a place of gratitude, the other things kind of fall into place. So those are some simple things. The breathing, grounding, gratitude, connection, sunlight, all can really help. Little things. They don't, they don't take a lot of time. They're not, you know, overwhelming in themselves. So those simple things are great practices you can do on a daily basis. And then those allow you to kind of come back into some stillness and awareness where you can start understanding yourself better, starting to receive those signals your body's giving you and start moving in directions that are more aligned with what you really want.

I was recently reading actually about how, uh, you know, speaking of sunlight is something that I started to do more and more, uh, about the science of photons that are entering our eyes and actually influencing our brain and our nervous system. And I think it's something that is super overlooked, especially, you know, in big cities. We have to sit in traffic, then, you know, gotta go to the office. Now, especially at this time of the year, it gets dark very fast. So we barely see like sunlight a lot of times. So it, it, it's the science is there. Like you mentioned, these are simple things that they've been around for thousands of years, right? And it don't cost any money, which is the good part about it. But just now I think the science is coming to the surface saying, you know, Actually, this is how it acts on our bodies, and that's why this is important. And I think, uh, you know, even people— I used to wear contacts a lot more than I am now. I'm wearing more my glasses just for the fact that contacts block UV rays and they block the photons from entering our body. So it's super, super important, like you said, to just go outside and just absorb the sunlight through our eyes.

Yeah. I mean, even as simple as like opening your car window, if you're in, if you're driving in the morning and there's sun, just open your window, look outside, you know, at a stoplight, take off your glasses if you need to, to kind of get some light in your eyes. Whatever you can, the more the, you know, the better. If you have time to like go outside for a walk, walk your dog or something, you know, do that without glasses and get that, the light in your eyes. Yeah. It's just like you said, it's one of those things that's there for us to use and it's, it's even just all the electromagnetic radiation coming from the sun is just, it's just what our body thrives on. You know, we, we are made to be outside walking. That's our bodies are built to walk long distances outdoors.

Mm-hmm.

And, uh, you know, sitting in cubicles or working in, in an office or a clinic is just not really what we're meant to do. So, mm-hmm. We have to kind of take extra steps to get the things that our body needs to thrive.

Yeah. So true. Now regarding grounding, I know there's all kinds of gadgets out there like grounding sheets, grounding mats. Mats? Do you have any experience with those?

Yeah, I mean, it's not as good as the real thing, but it's a, it's the next best thing, I guess. So if you're not able to do outside and do those, you can experiment. I think for most things you kind of have to see what's the negative sides of this. You know, of course there's cost, there's, you know, get the, with the grounding mats and stuff, you gotta find ones that you, you, you know, maybe check, check out the reviews or the, have some recommendations and then see how it makes you feel. Try it for a little bit. If it seems to be helping, Great. If it doesn't, then maybe it's not the right thing for you. But it's hard to beat Mother Nature.

Yes, it's so true. It's hard to replicate or put it in a pill or a box or—

Yeah.

Like that. Now you have background in holistic medicine, biohacking, integration work, and now you're bringing in the ancient wisdom, which is incredible that you're putting all this together. How do you, how does biohacking fit into all this for you? For your practice?

Well, for what we do is, um, you know, I think starting from the top down, we want to work with our authenticity, who we really are. Are we aligned with our true self? And that kind of gets everything moving and flowing. But there's still some support people need on the backend, you know, physically, cuz they've, you know, been through so much. If you want to use the word biohacking, it's just like, what can we do to help the body support it to be basically when you start being fully aligned with who you are, you're gonna end up with so much energy and capacity. Your body has to be able to hold it. And if the body's not working right, if there's, if there's some disconnection, if there's some things that aren't flowing, it's not gonna be able to hold that capacity and you might like kind of fry out or burn out that way. So we wanna make sure that it's, that grid is there to support it. And so we use biohacking to do that. And a lot of it's really intense diagnostics, some really deep blood work. We do like DEXA scans and VO2 max testing to see where the body's at. And then once, as you're working with the authenticity and the spirituality side, getting people to regulate their nervous system, things start lining in place. They might need some extra support, like with their hormones, supplements, peptides, things like that. Diet, what they're eating, how they're moving. It's all important. I, I guess loosely we use the term biohacking for that, but it's just basically how you're living and what you're doing to support yourself. Wow. And once you got the stuff aligned, once you're moving the right way, we can then add things to support. And so a lot of times we're just inundated with so much noise out there of like, take the supplement, do this thing. You gotta, you know, you have to have this whatever, otherwise you're not gonna be happy, whatever. So if you got the fundamentals down, like we talked about, the authenticity, the movement, the diet, the connection, all those things, then you need some support. Then we could bring in the biohacking and add that for somebody as they need it.

I like what you said though, that if somebody's working on being their authentic self, we wanna make sure the body can support that. That's actually very interesting. Yeah. It's the first time I hear that, but it makes absolute sense. You wanna make sure the circuits are able to carry the new energy. Yeah. So what do you work on first in your practice? Do you usually work first on spirituality or do you work first on the body?

I think it depends on the person. So we, like I said, we do some really, you know, deep dives into the diagnostics that also includes like a, a pretty solid intake and who they feel they are, how they're, how they're living, how they're thinking, their moods, their energy levels, things like that. And then we work on like what really excites you and what motivates you, what gets you going every day. And we start working towards that. And that I think is the pillar of what we do. But then the, you know, the biohacking stuff kind of comes in and supplants that as well as to kind of support each other moving forward. It's kind of, it has to be integrated. It's not just like a one or the other thing.

I see.

But again, like we always like starting with like somebody and say if they're here and they wanna get to here, what's the best way for them to get to that point? Based on their individual, their own life experiences, where they are currently, how much time they have, how much effort level they wanna put in, and what kind of leverage or interest they really have in getting to their goal. And then we can base the program based on that, all those different things.

Do you have people that come to you and they say, you know what, I'm eating right, I'm exercising, but I really feel off. Do you have those kind of people?

I think a, a good number of people that we see are like, I do all the right things, you know, I'm, following the right diet, I'm moving, I'm, you know, my doctor that I saw said all my blood work and everything was normal. I'm great on that side, but I just don't feel amazing or like I, I just, I'm just not feeling the way I want to. And that's pretty common because the testing and stuff they've done in the past is like we talked about earlier, the show is just are you sick or not sick? And the lab data, if you look at a normal value, it's just basically takes a large number of people in the population. Puts 'em all in a big pool of data and says, are you within that range? That doesn't really help most people because what's right for you on a lab value may not be right for me. And, and what's right for you for your sick or not sick may not be right for what's right for you to be your optimal full cell. Analogy we'd like to say is if you're looking at your hormones and some other data, we might say, hey, what's like a healthy thriving 25-year-olds look like and how does yours compare to them? Compared as opposed to like, you know, you're still within normal, so you're fine. Don't worry, go home. You know? So it's like, how do we optimize that stuff? How do we make it so that those numbers can show us that you're moving and doing the best things possible? So, so there's that, like the numbers might not be optimized for the person. And the other thing is they might not be, again, living out a life that's really meant for them. So they could be doing all the right things. It's like, it's like taking a Ferrari, you put all the right gas, you take the right mechanics, you've got the right pit crew to fix everything, but you're driving down a dirt road. Yeah. You know, it's not gonna do very well. So let's make sure the road you're driving on is the right, the one that's meant for you. That path is the right one for you. Once that's aligned, then you can go, you know, as fast as you want to and as smooth as you want to because you're going the right way with the right engine, with the right car. That's a good analogy. Most people, thank you. It, yeah, most people are just trying to do the right things, but in the wrong way or at the wrong time. You know, just kind of lining everything up properly for people is what we do.

Mm. Very nice. Now I'm curious if you discuss oral health in your practice. There are like oral health habits that, that affect, you know, sleep, energy, and long-term health that you talk about.

Well, I think oral health is a good signal for a lot of things too. Like, you know, you know, how good are your gums doing? How good are your teeth doing? If people are like mouth breathing, if they're grinding their teeth, if they've got extra tension in their jaw, you know, all those things are good signs that like maybe there's something else going on that we need to talk about or think about. You know, excess stress, you know, with the clenching, the grinding, you know, are you sleeping well? You know, do you have sleep apnea? Do you have, you know, are you getting enough oxygen in your sleep because you're breathing the wrong way and that can cause problems with your, with your gums and your teeth, you know, drying it out or dehydrating it. Those are all, it's just so important. I mean, everything, as you know, it starts with what we ingest and we put it in through our mouth first. So if that part's not moving well, it's not part doing well, then it's a problem. And then also, you know, the mouth is such a beautiful way for us to express ourselves, you know, both vocally and smiling and frowning and all the faces we make. If that's not clear or working well, then there's an issue. So it's important to look at that part of the, the body as part of the whole for sure.

Yeah. And, and I think you bringing up clenching and grinding and I, I, I think there's a lot like an internal stress for people and it could be just stress from life, but a lot Sometimes it could be also internal stress. It could be some kind of conflict that they have spiritually that is happening in their life. The, you know, the clenching and grinding, trying to figure out the solutions. I think the clenching and grinding, unfortunately in dentistry, we don't have time to, although I think it'd be beautiful for us to be able to incorporate what you just said into dentistry and go deeper into that clenching and grinding aspect. But most dentists, oh, you clench and grind? Okay, we're gonna have to give you a night guard. So that's really it. It's kind of like a bandaid to the clenching and grinding problem.

Yeah, I think that's a, it's common in health, right? It's like, let's, yeah, you know, I, because of the system, the way things are, you know, we don't have time to go into the real details of what's going on, but here's your bandaid. Here's the, here's the guard. You're grinding and stuff. I know there's, there's something going on in your life that's not working, but here's a guard to help. Yeah.

Let's not talk about that. It's too complicated. We're gonna give you like at least, yeah. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, a lot of people end end up like not wearing it, basically.

Me, I've done that.

Yeah, yeah, me too, actually. Yeah, so yeah, I think getting to the deeper, you know, and really going back to the Greek teachings from a long time ago, they used to feed mind, body, and spirit before Christ. Mind, body, and spirit, that was the treatment.

And we somehow, you know, through the years stepped away from that, but it's good to know we're kind of going back to it Yeah, cuz we, we're smart enough, we think, to know that we kind of wanna do things that work. You know, we've noticed that the stuff that we've been doing the last 40 years are great for certain things, right? Acute issues, trauma, when things are really bad, we can kind of get things back to a certain state. But the long-term health of people just hasn't been working in our con— you know, especially in the US. So we know there's something else that needs to be done to get that back. And that's where we're, that's why we're coming back into the whole person, the whole mind, body, spirit, all that stuff's coming back online. For us cuz there's value there we've seen and we're gonna start moving towards where we think there is a benefit for people.

Amazing. So Dr. Moomaneni, where can people find you?

I'm on Instagram at Dr. Sree MD, D-R-S-R-I-M-D. And then our program that we're putting together is at abundancehealth.com, A-B-U-N-D-A-N-C-E health.com. And pretty excited about it. It's a way that we're actually integrating all the different things we talked about today about your authenticity, spirituality, mixing that with your longevity to kind of help you feel fully alive.

Is this a group program? So we get the community support.

We have, we're building it out. So there is like a cohort. People do it with other people individually if, if preferred, but we have cohorts. And then yeah, I think community is, as you mentioned, is such a huge part of longevity. So having, uh, some people to go through this process with you, not just for accountability, but also support and, you know, to see people who have maybe a little bit further along versus supporting people who are coming after you. All of that, you know, not just makes it a great program, but also helps the person with their own longevity.

Yeah, absolutely. This would be a great, uh, program also for the dental community, cuz I know a lot of dentists are burned out and they're suffering physically because of it, because they haven't taken care of themselves. Um, we're gonna put the link to your website, abundancehealth.com, below in the show notes and as well as your Instagram handle. So people can follow you and know where they can get help to treat their, basically their whole body, mind, and spirit.

Yeah. Appreciate that.

Yes. Thank you so much for being here with me for this show. Was really deep information that we talked about and something that we don't normally talk about, but I think we do need to bring it up to the surface more often.

No, I appreciate being here and, you know, I love, uh, you know, even getting treated by you and your, your team, it's been amazing support for all of it. And I think, you know, your philosophy and how you take care of people is just on point with what we're doing as well. So I appreciate that.

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