Why Oral Health Matters in Breast Cancer: Mold, Metals, and Emotional Trauma

Hi everybody, I'm Dr. Sanda Moldovan, periodontist and nutritionist. Welcome to the Holistic Dentistry Podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body as we explore together the root cause of disease. Remember, you're not healthy until your mouth is healthy, so take care of it in the most Natural way. Hi everyone. I'm Dr. Sanda Moldovan and welcome to another episode on the Holistic Dentistry Show. And today I have a special guest, Katrina Fo, to talk about healing breast cancer naturally. I feel more and more of friends and even patients are, uh, dealing with breast cancer issues and the rates are going up.

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I'm excited to dive into this topic because it could bring a lot of light into what else we can do holistically speaking to help our body thrive, right? And not deal with cancers. Katrina Fo became a national, a functional practitioner after getting her own breast cancer into remission 100% naturally. She is board certified in holistic nutrition and has been in the health field since she opened her Pilates studios at the age of 24. She also homeschooled her 7 children while writing her international bestseller, Nutritional Pilates. So with that, Katrina, welcome to the show.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk with you more about this.

Yes. Thank you for sharing your story also, because I wanna get to how did you get here? Obviously through our own struggle, sometimes we come up with the best solutions to things. So what exactly is it in your life that helped you develop, um, you know, your functional practice? This?

Well, thank you for asking, cuz I, I completely agree with you. So I had had some very clear food as medicine experiences even before I got cancer, which is, I think, why it was a natural thing for me to then dive into looking at what I can do holistically before turning to standard of care, which I, I, I just wanna say there's a time and a place. It just wasn't the choice that I made. Having though that like kind of ahead of time really helped the transition be really clear for me. But you know, when I got cancer, I, I was 37. I was young. I was already healthy. Like you said, I was a Pilates instructor. I ate healthy. We had already done really extensive diet cleanup and gut work, and we made our own condiments. Like we had even moved states so we could raise our own meat animals. So, you know, when this happened, it was kinda like, whoa, what, what's going on? How in the world? Why would this happen? There wasn't a family history that was super strong or anything to show, you know, where was this where is this coming from? And I wasn't okay with the standard of care answer of just happens, you know, uh, it, to me it doesn't resonate with everything else that I had seen of like cause and effect of how the body works.

So what did you find out in your journey? Like, why did, did you ever get any signs? Like, where did this come from for you?

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Like I said, I had no symptoms. I actually found the lump when I was nursing, so I had had like a plugged duct. So there's a big golf ball size lump and I just thought it was, you know, part of the plugged duct, and then when the plugged duct resolved, it was still there. And that's where I was a little perplexed because it, it didn't even like register, like think cancer. Postpartum-wise, I had like a little hair loss, um, some weight gain that, you know, hadn't gotten away by then. And then I was, I was tired. I mean, those symptoms are pretty, uh, not crazy for a, a new mom. I was about a year out at that point. Um, so I wasn't really worried about anything from those symptoms, but when I dug in and it took me a while to even find functional medicine, I hadn't even heard of doing this kind of testing, but when I started testing everything, there was a lot of things that showed up that my body just wasn't showing symptoms for. And, you know, clearly I hadn't done any testing before that.

So can it be emotional, something leading to cancer, or is it usually just nutritional or toxicity?

I'm so glad you asked that. That's a big one. And if not one of the biggest drivers. So there's, there's 10 areas that I look at now as a practitioner that, you know, I was looking at then, although it wasn't quite as codified and everything back at when I was a client. But one of them is the emotional trauma because what we see is, and this is the area that doesn't have functional medicine lab tests on it, but usually a year prior to a cancer diagnosis, there's something that is very traumatic for the client. And this can be a really big range of things. For me, it was a crescendo to a very toxic relationship. For some of my clients, I've had loss of loved ones, loss of a job, really traumatic accidents with multiple surgeries, you know, things like this that are just really straining on them physically as well as emotional.

Is it an Like, 'cause you know, that happens to a lot of people, but not everybody gets cancer. So is it because those people are storing their emotions differently or, you know, what is—

Yeah. So it's a combination of somehow something's blocking and they're not processing things in maybe a healthful way where it's, it's getting released, compounded with, you know, it's never just one thing with cancer. It's going to be when we look at all the testing, um, and I don't go on symptoms because like I said, for me, there were no symptoms for what was showing up on my test. When we run all the tests, there's usually 7 or 8 of those 10 drivers that have allowed— the body's allowed to happen that's kind of overwhelmed the immune system. So the emotional trauma would be one. And then the question is what else? And the problem with the emotional trauma though, is that most people aren't talking about it and they're not dealing with it. And it's a little easier to kind of just sweep under the carpet and I'll deal with that later. And there's not the validation that this is really important. This is a life or death matter. You need to deal with it. And it's hard because a lot of times you start dealing with it. Uh, and I'm being vague because it could be a lot of different things, but it gets worse before it gets better. And I feel very blessed that there's a lot of really great modalities now that are quicker, easier to release some of that emotional stuff.

So going back to your journey, when did you make the decision, I'm going to just treat this naturally? Because a lot of people, you know, want to go to, okay, I'm gonna go to a doctor and listen to what they say. But for you it was like pretty clear in the beginning that that's what you wanted to do.

It was very clear in the beginning. And like I said, I think it was just because of the experiences I'd had. I had had some really clear, crazy experiences. My daughter had, interestingly enough, very, very serious tooth decay at 3 years old. And she was telling me her, her teeth hurt and I'm like, okay, I guess I should take her to a dentist. I don't know, do you usually do that at 3? And I took her into a pediatric dentist and they gave her an exam and they said she needed 7 fillings and 3 baby root canals.

Oh my God.

And I'm like, right. That was, that was my feeling. I'm like, this is my first child, but I don't think that's normal. Yeah. And, and he gave me this lecture about how I need to not feed her junk food or soda pop. And I'm like, she's never had a candy bar or soda and He was so, he just looked at me like I was lying to him. So I, I got 3 more second opinions and they all kind of said about the same thing. And it was just very heavy, like on my heart that clearly something was not right here. Mm-hmm. And just a little backfill. I had been very, very sick with her, the hyperemesis gravidarum where like in the first month I had lost 30 pounds and I had to go on medications, which I was not a big fan of, but just to get any food in. Um, and it had to even go suppository. I couldn't even take it orally or I would throw the medication up. So to me, I was already connecting that there was something going on with how she developed. And through my research, I found Weston A. Price. I found the GAPS diet and it was, it was pretty crazy. As soon as we started on the GAPS diet and we did it as a family, but her tooth decay stopped and she had continued to have more. She had tooth abscesses and everything before we figured this out. And it was really profound to see, like, literally all we were doing, we weren't even doing any functional testing at that point. We were just changing diet and to see the different symptoms and things shift so profoundly that, that set the stage for me to know that diet does matter and you can do crazy things with it.

That's so true. And all cavities are a result of a change in microbiome and it's a, a result of her not absorbing her nutrients properly.

Exactly.

Yes. And unfortunately in dental school, we're not taught that. So it's, it's very common for dentists to say, oh yeah, it's whatever you put in your mouth, but it's actually whatever she's not absorbing. It's she cannot rebuild the teeth that are there. So I'm glad you figured it out though.

Yeah, it's so, it's so interesting. I cannot scream that from the rooftops loud enough because like we go into the dentist now and they're like, oh, you have tooth bugs. I'm like, no, no, this is not why somebody gets a cavity. But you know, this is what's out there and still being taught that you just have to brush your teeth and floss more. And it's so much more to it.

Yeah, absolutely. So going back to your journey, like, uh, what did you end up doing? Like what kind of modalities did you use for to heal?

Yeah. So first off, and I think this is really key, I put everything on the table. I said, clearly something I'm doing right. 'Cause I was doing a lot of things at that point. Something is not working for me and I need to reevaluate everything to make sure I don't have some kind of bias. And assumptions that I might be missing it because we're talking about cancer, not like a wart or something. So I put everything on the table and started researching. And one of the first things I did, um, because a lot of people were talking about with cancer to do like raw vegan and juicing and Gerson. So I went down to a Gerson clinic and I thought, I'm going to start getting some more information and find out about this other side. Of, you know, not eating meat. And it was very interesting because I got down there and I was asking a lot of questions. I'd read all their books. And by the third day, the director of the facility sat me down and was like, oh, they say you're asking a lot of questions. I think you just need to trust in the process. And that didn't sit with me. And I'm like, well, how am I going to give you, you know, my life and just trust you with everything if you can't answer some basic questions like Why can't I eat salt? And why can I only have a tablespoon of oil a day of fats a day? And the things that I had already learned were really helpful and important to the body. You're saying I can't have any of this. And I'm fine with that. If you can explain to me why this is working, but they had no answers. They just wanted me to shut up and do whatever they said. And so he asked me to leave, kicked me out.

Wow.

I know. I thought if I went alternative, they would have a little more respect for the client connection and answering questions, but it was very shocking. And one thing led to another. And through that process, I, a friend told me about functional medicine and connected me with a doctor that did the work that I do now. And she tested everything on me and it was, it was crazy, the stuff that came up.

Wow. Okay. And then did you start detoxification or what did that lead into?

Yeah. So for me, my blood sugar was crazy off. My, I was very estrogen dominant. I had very toxic levels of mold that needed to be detoxed, some heavy metals. There was a lot of stress and there was that emotional trauma. I had some fun genetic, I still have some fun genetic snips that I have to watch out for with detox, as well as with methylation and making fat-soluble vitamins. So there was a lot of stuff going on there and the detox for me was really the biggest part of it was about getting out of the mold. And you hear about lots of different sexy detox protocols. And I just want everyone to know, like, that's great, but you want to know what toxins you're dealing with first and do the detective work to figure out where they're coming from and stop that. Most importantly, because you, you're kind of wasting your time if you keep detoxing things out, but it's still coming in.

And with the mold, was it somewhere in your house that this was coming from? Yeah.

8 months before I got the diagnosis, we had moved into a house that the owner knew it had toxic levels of black mold, but they didn't tell us that. And we found it. We didn't know really the health implications fully and tried to remediate it ourselves and just, you know, rip it out. We didn't know that that was like the not good thing to do. And I was also, like I said, nursing, I just had a baby. So there was a lot going on in my body. Was not set up to do well in that kind of a situation.

Oh, for sure. And how was that journey? Was it a long journey to health?

It was, it was, it was ups and downs. It wasn't super linear. I didn't have everything kind of brought together in one place. So I was still kind of grabbing some different things, figuring out how to get my blood sugar dialed in, cuz I wasn't having any symptoms. You know, I knew that blood sugar was like, you know, hypoglycemia stuff, which was, you know, I didn't have any shakiness or couldn't go between meals, but I was just like more insulin resistant, which doesn't feel bad necessarily. So there was a period of getting into ketosis and figuring out new ways of cooking. And I'll just be super transparent. I really liked my carbs. And so teasing out, like my gut was pretty messed up and then I have all this fungal infections with the, the mold and, you know, so you put all that together. I mean, that was a hard thing to have to work through.

Oh yeah, for sure. Detoxing from mold is no easy feat, but you mentioned also heavy metals and, you know, we know a lot of dentistry can bring heavy metals in someone's mouth in the form of amalgams. Did you have to deal with that? At all?

I did.

I did.

I had like 2 amalgams, so it wasn't a lot, but where they were, were connecting with the meridians and such that are connected with breast cancer. So like double whammy there. So the mercury was an issue. I had to get those out properly, which was— that was a learning curve in and of itself because I didn't realize that you're supposed to do it this way versus, you know, just take them out kind of thing. And so Yeah, it, it was a bumpy journey.

Yes, definitely. And you know, by the way, mercury can come also from your mom or because moms give mercury to the children. Kids unfortunately are a way for a mom to detoxify.

It's interesting. I did not know that. So fascinating.

Yeah. Um, and what next after the detoxification? How long did that take you?

From my diagnosis till the lump was resolved, it was about a year. I, I tend to go big or go home, so I was working on everything all together. Um, you know, cuz I didn't know, I didn't know how long things would take or how to work through it, and I was just like, I wanna be done with this journey as fast as possible. But the whole thing fascinated me. So I think part of it is also like I couldn't get enough of learning, um, what was going on as well. So about a year.

Yeah. And then you went back to get a, uh, is it a mammogram that you had to have?

No, I actually monitored— I had learned early on that there's some toxicity with the mammograms, so I used, um, the circulating tumor cell counts to monitor myself. I've done other things like CT scans and such, but I really like the, the CTC numbers to look at things.

Amazing. How long ago was that? That you had remission?

10 years ago. It'll be 10 years ago this year. So yeah.

Amazing. So since then you've been helping a lot of women that are going through this and they have no idea where to go. So how do you work with patients?

Yeah, like I said, the whole process was so fascinating to me. I really wanted to learn more so that I made sure it didn't happen again, cuz I wanted to understand so I could really make the best decisions possible. So when I went back to school, it was selfishly for me. And as I was going through, I couldn't shut up about what I was learning about. Cause the whole thing is so fascinating, especially 10 years ago, people weren't talking about a lot of this stuff. Most of them still aren't, which is why I'm so glad that you're, you know, putting this out there. And so I actually wanted to go more, um, when I started thinking about clients into infertility and I kept getting cancer clients, I think just because I had been very vocal. And at first, you know, it's a heavy, it's a heavy topic. And. I finally embraced it and I'm so glad. I absolutely love my cancer clients. And it's, I, I exclusively work with cancer clients now, primarily women, primarily middle-aged. So we run all the tests and then I have a systematic program to help them understand their stuff because my experience in Mexico really led me to be passionate about answering people's questions. And what I see as a practitioner on this side now is the people that are asking questions. Are the ones that are really digging in and owning it and implementing. And those are the people that I really delight in working with, the ones that really want to understand fully.

Mm-hmm. And I think it's so important to understand and really connect with our bodies, especially in terms of these kinds of stresses.

Yeah. So when clients ask me, they're like, oh, how quick can I get in remission? I'm like, well, I mean, that's a stopping point, but that, that's not the end. Like, to me, the end is like you learn continually. It's a journey and you're continually learning about your body so that you have the tools so that you know what to do so that, you know, if there's 7 or 8 things going on, you, you notice symptoms and test results off when there's maybe one thing, not 7 or 8. Or, you know, big enough tumor so it shows up on a mammogram kind of thing. Like to me, that's way too late in the game to be finding things and we can see it earlier. So I'm like, everyone needs to get these tools out there cuz we can see things coming a lot earlier than, you know, the typical diagnoses are coming in.

Yeah. I, I'm not a, I've never had a mammogram because of the radiation factor.

Mm-hmm.

What is your preferred method of like prevention or, or screening?

I guess for prevention, I would say do the functional testing because we've all got stuff off and it's a matter, you know, doing your emotional work, keeping up on things. And like so many people like, oh yeah, I watch, you know, I eat a healthy diet. And I'm like, yes, but have you tested? You know, it can be as simple as getting an at-home glucometer for like $20 and checking in on what, what is your blood sugar doing? Not just, I feel okay, but what is it actually saying? For actual screening to get a diagnosis. Like you said, mammograms have radiation and can lead and cause cancer. Biopsies where they're extracting tissue from the tumor site can actually leave track marks and cause secondary tumors along those where they withdrew the needles. Not always, but it can. So I don't find those to be super helpful if they're, they're gonna cause cancer in the process. But there's really great technology where you can do a blood draw and look at the circulating tumor cells, and you can actually see what kind of tissue, whether it's breast tissue or lung tissue or something, where it's coming from. Now you can't see on that if it's metastasized. So, but there are scans out there now that are no contrast dye, no radiation, non-toxic, that are very high definition to be able to see if it's, you know, in more than one place. So there's kind of a combination of things that you can do. Unfortunately, our standard of care isn't using these at this point.

That's so true. Now, in terms of the type of patients you're working with, is it just breast cancer or any other cancers?

No, no. This, this technique and system works on any type of cancer because we're really looking at the why did this happen? And those are common. There's some things like hormone imbalances or toxins or emotional trauma that can be more common to different types of cancer. But my motto is, you know, know, like my mentor, Dr. Nasha Winters, like test, don't guess. Because every time I think, you know, oh, it's probably this, something else will show up. So I like to look and see what's really going on because we can. It's very objective data. We have numbers. We can see like when things get better and we don't have to just go off of what I think might subjectively be happening.

Do you find that some oral health problems can tie into other cancers?

Yeah. So we kind of touched on two of the biggest ones, meaning the oral microbiome. And this doesn't get talked about a lot, unfortunately, but I think, you know, people like you are getting it out there more. But, you know, the gut's the sexy thing and everyone's, you know, kind of getting more familiar with doing stool testing and that's great, but in terms of the digestive tract, thinking North where you start eating the food and it goes down and then it comes out at the other end south, like the microbiome's right before it comes out. Like we wanna look further up because if you address, you know, parasites and bad bacteria, fungal overgrowth, whatever down in your large intestine, like what's happening if you have some kind of imbalances in, you know, your, your mouth, you're swallowing the saliva every few seconds and you're reinoculating the whole pathway, which can be a big problem for a lot of people. And that's a huge driver of cancer. I mean, we know that cancer is very tightly associated with gut health. Many, many people are knowing now about things like fenbendazole and ivermectin and things being helpful. And, and they're helpful for a large part because they deal with parasites and this is a gut connection.

Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because, you know, there's parasites in the mouth. People typically, you're right, that they tend to look at the gut, but not necessarily in the mouth and, and And lately, you know, for the past few years I've been biopsying, uh, all the cavitation sites and 70% of the time we do find parasitic activity there. Wow.

That's fascinating. I would not have guessed it would be quite that high. Yeah. That's really interesting. So when you're just dealing with the gut and you're taking a pill, it's gonna go right past all of that stuff and not even address it, and then you're still swallowing it.

Exactly. So I'm glad that you mentioned the oral microbiome and how important that is, um, for overall cancer prevention.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other big thing you kind of touched on was the toxins. So in terms of toxins, I'm thinking heavy metals, I'm thinking chemicals, but I'm also, you know, like I mentioned the mold and the mold is coming in via the sinuses and nasal passages and everything and going down into the lungs. And that's so tied in with the oral cavity. That's a huge one. And probably right up there with the emotional trauma, not talked about enough. I'm just going to tell you, like, straight out, I test all my clients. I only work with cancer clients, like I said, and I've only had 2 clients ever that didn't show up with toxic levels of mold.

Wow.

That seems insane to me. Like, just numbers-wise, but this is not something they have to have symptoms of. Like, when we talk or hear about people talking about mold, they're usually very, very sick and have a wide variety of very crazy symptoms. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing people that aren't sick and they wouldn't normally be tested except I'm making them test it because I know the connection with cancer. But also all those amalgams is a huge thing. There's the connections with the different meridians connected with cancer. And those root canals are really awful. Yeah.

So speaking of root canals, one of the things that I've, you know, I've started to use as a lab test for mold. And interestingly, root canals, especially the ones that are turning black, harbor mold because it's a dead tissue. It's warm and moist in the mouth. So, and yeah, exactly. And, uh, you know, I've had patients that made the decision to take out all the blackened root canal teeth and they actually felt a lot better and they were able to move the needle on mold detoxification.

Oh, it's so— that's amazing. And it makes sense. And it's so exciting because like in this field with all the functional testing that we have, more and more is coming out like every year, which gives us just more insight to really see. And I really feel like when we have, like, you can see there's the numbers of what is going on. It helps clients to really understand how that's connected to what they're feeling and experiencing, which gives them motivation to do some of this hard work that you have to do. Yeah.

Now in terms of mold, what's he— how do you test for mold for your clients?

Yeah, I do an excretion test. So they're peeing in a cup, super at-home easy test to look at a huge variety of different strains and such. And I don't even do a provocation with my clients because I don't wanna kick stuff up and they're still showing toxic levels. Really high in multiple strains.

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. So where do you start? You get somebody, they have hormone issues, they got mold, they got heavy metals. It's like, do you address everything at once or do you like to sequence things?

This is a great question. It's kind of controversial. So because my clients, like I said, are coming to me and they don't usually have issues and symptoms, so I'm not getting the mold clients that are, you know, mast cell activated, really sensitive. Things are kicked up, I am able to usually go straight in and hit it hard, which is really helpful because, you know, with cancer we have a ticking time clock. We've got a time constraint with it. So we'll start working on things like hormone balancing, methylation, uh, digestion, those kinds of things, you know, right off. While if they show up for things like mold or other toxins, we do the detective work of, okay, You have XYZ, where are those coming into you from? Is this historical? Is it current? Because we don't wanna bother wasting our time and money detoxing if it's still happening. So some of that would include like getting dental work done, getting houses remediated, et cetera, getting water tested. And then as soon as they get that, whatever it is for them cleared up, then they go into the detox level. And I find that especially with the mold, the infrared saunas do a huge difference. Just case study, side-by-side comparisons to those that do the saunas every day to, or those that don't, in terms of how quick they can detox and such.

Very interesting with the sauna. So it's good to know that because a lot of people, you know, think they have to do like expensive treatments when in fact, you know, sauna, something that they could do at home. Yeah.

And I, I do usually pair the sauna with some different actual protocols. So we want to kill the fungus and yeast and such, make sure they have their binders, make sure they're digesting their food, all this other stuff, healing the gut with it. The sauna just kind of speeds things up. So I'll give you a quick, quick case study. So it's actually my mom and dad really brought this home to me. They tested for mold and both of them were off the charts, really, really bad, which isn't crazy because they're both living at the time in the same house. So So of course they're changing their diet. They're doing the protocols, which was all the same. Cuz you know, they're eating the same meals. My mom did the saunas every day. She loved the saunas. My dad was like, no, I'm not getting in that thing. And then when we retested comparing their own pre and post-test, it was dramatically different. My mom made vast, much faster, much bigger improvements than my dad did. So it was, it was really interesting to me as a clinician to see that big of a difference when you have the control, they're both eating the same things and such that you don't usually get with clients.

Very interesting. What is one important thing that people should know about detoxifying?

Well, the biggest thing is they've gotta make sure that the inflow has stopped first. And I really, I mean, there's so many buy this product or this cleanse out there, and it's really about making sure you stop the inflow and then personalize what you're doing. Is if you just have like gut symptoms and you start to do an anti-parasite, you know, whatever, it may be H. pylori and it may not just be, you know, a parasite straight up. And you might be missing part of it. So when you do the testing, you can be more strategic and specific to what's going on.

Very cool. Now, in terms of diet, you mentioned in the beginning that that was one of the biggest, like, needle movers in your life. What kind of diet is good for cancer treatment?

Yeah, with, with cancer, what the research and clinical work is showing very strongly now is that a ketogenic diet is the best. So this means that you don't just guess, you test and make sure that you first get your ketones to what's called nutritional ketosis. So it's like 1 to 3, where it's just from changing your diet. And then we move up into therapeutic ketosis because those ketones have been shown in research to actually slow tumor growth, shrink tumors, as well as affect all— a lot of different pathways that contribute to cancer growth. So it's not just limiting the blood glucose levels. That is very important because that's gonna feed the cancer. And cancer cells by definition are metabolically broken and need vast amounts more glucose than an average cell. So that's one component, but also getting the actual ketones. And what I find most clients, they may have heard about that, but then when I ask 'em like, oh, are you testing? Are you in ket— are you sure you're in ketosis? They're like, oh no, I haven't tested. I just, you know, did this recipe from this blog or something, which a lot of times when you're dealing with other things like mold or something, there can be complications. It's not always as straightforward as just, oh, I ate this, therefore I got this result. Like the, the blogs make it look.

Yeah. Very interesting. Now, why do you think alternative cancer programs are not taken seriously? You're obviously seeing, you know, big results.

Mm-hmm.

But, but they're still not taken seriously.

I think a lot of it's inconsistency. So I'm just gonna give you a generic what kind of tends to happen. People will go, they do their standard of care, maybe it doesn't fully resolve, the people get sent home, and then they'll go try as a last ditch effort, Hail Mary, some alternative stuff. And they're just literally throwing wet spaghetti at the wall. Even if they're doing standard of care and wanna like do other things in addition, they're not testing. And some of these modalities, particularly the oxidative ones, which, which can be chemo and radiation, uh, would fall under that category, but also things like like IV vitamin C, hyperbaric oxygen, ozone, you know, you hear a lot about that. And people, you know, wanna go do IV vitamin C, but if you don't test first, these oxidative therapies at certain points, they're a double-edged sword. They can actually make things speed up in terms of cancer growth and make things worse. So when you're not looking and doing the testing, and I have kind of a unique situation because my clients are all virtual to me. So clearly we're, I'm not doing IV vitamin C with them. And if it shows on their testing that that would be a good choice for them, I'm gonna refer them to someone in their area for that specific part of their, their work. But I hear from all different clients all over the country that they never even were gonna test me, which kind of scares me because it's really important to test first.

What do you mean by testing? Like, what are you testing exactly to see if they're a good candidate for vitamin C?

Yeah. So for vitamin C specifically, you definitely wanna look at the G6PD and if it's out of range, like don't touch it. But for a larger picture for these oxidative therapies in general, you wanna see what kind of metabolic state they're in. And if they're in a dysaerobic state, it's like, don't do it. So markers such as the HSCRP, the SED rate, the LDH, reverse T, um, looking at some of these are gonna be very important to make sure that they're, um, appropriately going to work with what you're putting in them.

Interesting. I love your approach to treating cancer naturally. What are some things that people can do though to prevent getting cancer?

Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting one, but it's really the same stuff. So when, uh, when you look at these tests, you know, it's a spectrum, like how many of these things are off? And it's just a matter of time if you've got 2 or 3. Till more get off, and then you end up where your, your immune system's overwhelmed and it can't do what it was designed to do of taking care of those rogue cancer cells before they become a tumor. The problem here, just to be completely direct, is that most people aren't motivated because it's not covered by insurance to be proactive, even though this would give them the tools to monitor their health and really take ownership of it. And this is for, for not just cancer. I mean, these are a lot of the same drivers for things like Alzheimer's, which is really on my heart. My dad has, is in memory care now, very, very late stage. And, you know, I didn't know enough to help him, you know, a long time ago, but this is, this could have helped him because he's got a lot of these same commonalities. I've done the testing now on him and seen, yeah, you could, you could have seen this ahead of time coming.

Yeah. By doing that detoxification for your parents, I'm sure it prevented it from going into some kind of disease.

It Did help. He was already on the Alzheimer's spectrum when we did this, and this is one of the reasons I was doing it. Here's the kicker though, with mold, like, you have to constantly watch things. So my mom, when her mold symptoms— she had really dramatic gait changes, so it was really obvious when her mold would kick up. And about 9 months after we did the mold work and everything was done and she'd lost like 60 pounds and she was feeling awesome About 9 months later, her gait started being funky again. I'm like, what did you do differently?

What did you stop taking?

You know, what did you— and she's like, nothing. I'm still doing my stuff. I'm like, okay, get the mold inspector out. Yeah. There were 2 more leaks, 2 completely separate leaks. And they had to start all over. And she was just so frustrated at that point. Like they stopped a lot of their stuff. And so this is just kind of, it's a moving target and you want to keep your eye on it. And those are the things that I get really passionate about because I wanna empower my clients and educate them so they know how to watch for these things in their own life. Cuz I'm not gonna be in their back pocket for the rest of their life. I want them to not need me.

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. You are offering here a free ebook. Do you wanna tell us about it?

Yeah, this is gonna give the clients those 10 areas that I was talking about, more information on this philosophy and the specific test. And the 10 areas, what, what we're looking at with functional medicine to see the drivers, whether it's preventative, active cancer, or post-cancer to get your, uh, head around what's actually, you know, gonna move the dial for you and what you need to focus on.

Uh, the ebook is called How to Live Without Fear of Cancer, and we have a link down below in the show notes. And where can people find you, Katrina?

Yeah, my website is cancerfreedom.com. I'm on Instagram, it's just my name, Katrina Fo. And then we just launched a YouTube channel. It's @cancerfreedom.

Amazing. We're gonna put all those links down in the show notes. Thank you for all the support you're giving patients with cancer and giving 'em hope for a natural healing. It was really great having you on the show and sharing your wisdom and your knowledge.

Wonderful. My pleasure. I learned some stuff too. That was fantastic. I love it.

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