He Overcame His Addiction And Built A 7-Figure Business | Jimmy Zhang

All right, so this next interview is with YouTuber Jimmy Zhang. He's got 1.5 million subs. It's a wide-ranging conversation from like, this guy talks about his porn addiction, this guy talks about dating, how anime helped with his life, how addiction ultimately can help lead to success, how he started getting into personal growth. There's a lot around dating as well. He has a lot of travel plus dating videos that he does. I mean, there's dating videos where he is going on a first date with a girl in the airport. It's a great conversation. And without further ado, here's the interview. Jimmy Zhang, how did you overcome anxiety to become a 1.5 million YouTube sub guy?

Anxiety. Overcoming anxiety. I feel like anxiety is so potent when I was a kid growing up. I think, uh, Especially like as an immigrant child, I wasn't really brought up with a lot of American customs, you know, and it's just being just dropped in this world where it's like, oh, well, first of all, everybody's speaking English. I'm not. You know, I came here when I was, I think like 6 years old. So already I'm anxiety upon just, I can't even, I didn't even want to go to school. The first time I went to school, I cried. You're a fob. Yeah, I'm a fob. And then I was— so it was— and it's like my parents didn't really know how to even talk me through anxiety, how to even cope with anxiety, how to deal with it. So I had no, no reference, no— I had no guidance on how to get through it. So it was really just, I think, coping with it with like really bad habits, really bad addictions like video games. I don't know how explicit.

Go ahead, get explicit.

Porn.

Yeah.

Like I had like a porn addiction when I was a kid. Anime defaulted to anime.

Yeah.

So it was like a lot of, a lot of that like growing up. So and then I would just go back to my little, little man cave back at home, right? Yeah. So like anxiety It was like overbearing, especially at school, uh, talking to girls.

Yeah.

Uh, just, just overwhelmed me with anxiety. So, um, it wasn't until I started my, my YouTube and when I started reading books on like, okay, how to, how to over— slowly like rewire my brain. We're like, okay, if this is the life— like, it's kind of— reading the books helped me like paint a vision for myself in the future to like, oh, I don't have to live like this, you know? So like the videos slowly pulled me out of my shell, especially— but like the first, the very first video I shot, I still remember it was at Central Park in New York City. And I just— and it wasn't even like the crazy questions I would ask now. It would just— it was like some simple like deep philosophical question like, oh, what was, what was your, uh, most life-changing story, right? Just simple. And even that was like, you know, and just— but I, I knew deep down that like the only way to, to get over, you know, uh, my anxiety and my, um, my shyness is to force myself. There is no other way than just forcing yourself. That's the only way to get through it, or else I am going back to my room and I'm throwing on Naruto and just jerking off and watching it, you know? So it's like, I love it. Like, that is the only way to get out of it. Yeah, you know? Um, and I kind of just full sent that until today, I guess.

So by the way, the jerking off was separate from the Naruto, right?

Uh, yeah. Oh well, yeah, I mean, sometimes, yeah, but sometimes some of the characters like Tsunade. Okay, I'm not gonna lie, it might kick off a session.

Got a Sakura session?

Yeah, yeah. Ino, you know, was my, my crush back then.

Um, yeah, it was great.

Yeah, yeah, no, no shit, no, she was bad for sure, especially in Shippuden. Now, now, I wasn't— this wasn't the first Naruto. It was, it was Shippuden. I wanna keep, you know. Yeah, yeah, got it.

Are you open to talking about that? So the, the— I don't have people usually come on, say there's like a the anime gaming addiction, but the porn addiction, I've seen videos on this. I'm just like, how does that— like, how do you— how does one become diagnosed as like addicted to porn? Because like, all guys, all guys, all guys in their teens, dude, they're like, they're all watching porn, right? But it's like, what counts as addiction?

Oh, you just do it every day. Every single, every single night.

Okay.

Yeah, it helps you fall asleep. You're bored? Let me open it.

I don't know if that's addiction. I feel like, I feel like addiction is like people that are doing like 4 or 5 times a day.

Mm-hmm. Well, you get— when you're that young and you don't have hobbies, porn becomes a hobby.

Okay.

All right. Watching it becomes a hobby. Saving it, bookmarking it becomes a hobby.

Oh, you actually bookmarked it? Okay, not gonna lie, not gonna lie, that happened back in the day too. Yeah, not gonna lie. I'm like, I'm trying to make fun of it. I'm like, no, no, I did it too. Yeah. That's okay. So how did you, how did you overcome that?

Overcome? I would say I just, I mean, you start to get older, you start to have a bit, you know, better priorities in life. You start caring about things that's way more, you start getting bored less.

Yeah. I'm going to jump around a little bit because I'm also more interested in you, Jimmy, the how you grew up, your upbringing and everything. You mentioned immigrant. You grew up in New York, you said?

Yeah, I grew up in New York.

Okay, so tell us about your immigrant upbringing because this is something I do with all the—

With all the Asian people?

Yep.

Yeah, so I moved to New York when I was like 8, 9 years old from Boston. Not a lot of people know this about me, but I lived in Boston, Malden, for like 3 years. And that's where I learned English.

Yeah.

So by the time I was getting— I got to New York, it was Was I still doing Chinese homework? I think I was. Yeah, so I would— it would be schoolwork and then I would come back home and I would get these sheets where I just write this like just lines of like Chinese characters.

It's the boxes, right?

The boxes. I would just spend 3 hours writing lines of Chinese. I don't even know what like What's the purpose of this? Like, just to practice, to flex my handwriting?

Yeah.

You know, uh, and for every, for every like the 30 hours I put in, I get a, uh, I get like a, like a Yu-Gi-Oh booster pack or a deck of Yu-Gi-Oh cards. So I kept doing them.

Yeah.

Felt like, I felt like a mouse.

That's funny.

Just on a hamster wheel with, with Chinese homework. Um, And so, I mean, I'm glad though. You know, I am.

I did. You're lucky got the Yugi. All I got was In-N-Out Burger.

Oh, you got in?

Oh, right. Chinese school.

Yeah.

Wow. Or else I get beat.

So yeah. Oh shit. Yeah. Well, you at least you got fed.

Yeah. Well, you got the cards that you could trade.

Um, but I don't know really help me with Chinese. Like, I think speaking Chinese like just helps me, which I don't know if like. just repeating characters helped me with my Chinese, but that's, that's what I did. Um, and I was— yeah, and I, I don't know, I feel like growing up too, I was, um, I'm trying to think, what was I— what was all the fights about? Right, okay, so I was—

This is with your parents?

Yeah, yeah, this is with my parents. So I was a mofo. I wasn't your stereotypical like Asian child growing up as well. What do you mean by that? Yes to like the video games and the anime and all the nerdy shit, but the, um, like in school I was— I had straight Cs and Bs just throughout my entire life. High school, middle school, and yeah, so I was constantly met with like disappointment And, um, I, I think I talked about this briefly on like Eric's podcast, but I was like, they, they like— my parents would blame a lot of their sorrow and grief on like me not doing well in school.

Mmhmm.

And I had to cope then with video games. So I would— and then I would get beat for playing video games. Right? I wouldn't get beat for bringing back the C-, but I would get beat for playing video games. But I kept playing video games because they were disappointed at my— so it was just this constant toxic cycle of like, oh, just— and I didn't— the thing is, I really didn't care about the subject. Or maybe I was bad. I just maybe I was not everybody is meant to you know excel well on a test remember information about the the Revolutionary War right um so yeah I I think I think this maybe the school system failed me.

Well, let me ask you this. What were you good at in like—

Math.

Okay. No, no, not even that. Like, were you good at games? Were you good? Like, what were you at? What did you excel at?

Editing.

Okay.

I was, I was, I was playing video games and then I would record gameplay and I would edit gameplay. Yeah, I was really good at finding the music. I was really good at selecting the shots. And yeah.

There's a reason I asked you that. So this is for any, any immigrant parent out there, right? So Not that I'm a parent, but I'm just like, I wish my parents would have noticed that like I was really good at like games, right? And like my whole, like, if I noticed my kid was really good at editing, it's like, dude, okay, let's make you world-class at this. Like there are parents out there that support their kids to become the best gamer that they can be. And it's like, man, if only our parents would have noticed, our immigrant parents, which I love by the way.

Sure.

Like they just, they did their best, right? But I think that's like the one missing component. I don't know if you agree or disagree with that.

Yeah, I think because I mean, yeah, yeah, their whole life that they're just taught that going to school is the only route to success, right? My dad, I mean, he, you know, he used to walk miles to school barefoot. I don't know if it was barefoot, but you know, that's what he would claim that like, you know, he would just fight, claw his way to school to get get his education. Yeah, right. So it's like, now given the privilege of like a school bus, why wouldn't you, you know, just care about learning? But really, that's like how— I don't even remember half the books. I, I just SparkNotes everything, you know.

Times change.

Times has changed. Yeah, you know, there's so— and it's, it's actually way better now if you have— if, if you specialize in a, a hobby or something interesting, um, as, as you're growing up, because that might be a specialized skill that the world needs, right? And you're genuinely like passionate about doing that. And as you get older, the world will, will need that skill as well. So it's like, you know, the world doesn't need you to be an English teacher.

Yeah.

The world might need an editor.

I think it's just like you said earlier, there's no one right way or wrong way to do something. Like, boxes don't really work.

No.

We all kind of just are combination of different experiences.

Yeah, I actually think it's great that you found something at such a young age that you're really passionate about doing, right? So it's like, if you find that, stick with it.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think 17-year-old Jimmy would say about 28-year-old Jimmy now?

17?

17-year-old.

17-year-old Jimmy.

Do you think 17-year-old Jimmy would have expected you to turn out like you did now?

Oh man, it's a dream. 17-year-old Jimmy would, uh, honestly, he would be— he would probably put down the lotion and the porn now. He probably— oh, let me— oh, I get to be that later? I need to chill with this. Yeah, you know.

Yeah.

So I'd probably— yeah, I want 17-year-old Jimmy to start earlier.

Well, I mean, this leads well into— you talked about how there's this one Gary Vee video that changed your life. So what age did that happen? Like, when did you start getting into personal growth? Talk about that video too.

Yeah, I think this was around like 20, 21. Yeah, it was the video where he was just speaking to the audience about, you know, if you're between the ages of 22 to 27, this is your window of opportunity to strike. You know, you have all the pressures of— this is before you have all the responsibilities that come with life, like families, babies, and stuff like that. So, you know, you get to live in a garage or a basement with like 4 of your roommates. So I— yeah, it just, it just spoke to me like at how much freedom I actually have in, in this short period. And that's why like it translates back to like my dating theory. Like this is a time for you to like have genuine freedom to like explore your options rather than like, oh wow, like I found a girl that I really like. like, I'm gonna lock this down for the rest of my life.

Yeah.

You know, like, there might be a girl that you are— wait, you have way more chemistry with and you're way more compatible with. And it's just, just because, yeah, this person makes you feel good, that means you're gonna live the rest of— do you know how many people get divorced? Like, isn't the divorce rate like 50-something?

It's higher than 50.

Right. And what's the breakup rate? It's like even everybody breaks up. So it's like Oh, just get it. It's not— this isn't gonna be your whole life. Anyways, I'm digressing a little bit.

You're fine.

What was my— like, what age was I?

Yeah, so what age did you start getting into personal growth?

Yeah, around like 19, 20. 20 was a sweet spot because I remember I was taking summer classes at Columbia and like on the train ride from my house to Columbia, it was like an hour train ride. I would just have books. I would just be on the subway reading books. And I think that was also the summer where I cut out all of my high school friends.

Interesting.

Back in New York. And I was just in this weird transition period where I didn't have a lot— any close friends. And I was like starting to hang out with like my college friends, but I wasn't super close with them. They were in Connecticut and I was in New York. And then I would cut out all my New York friends. So I was just reading.

Yeah.

Going to class, reading. And a lot of the books spoke to how I was really feeling inside. And I think around that time, I was also thinking about— because I watched a lot of YouTube growing up, but it never occurred to me like— like somewhere buried in like my head and my heart, I'd like to become a YouTuber. buried, right? Because it was just so impo— but like those books kind of dug out the dirt that, you know, I, I put myself in.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, I, uh, some, some good books around that time was like How to Win Friends and Influence People. It helped me start to become more, I, I guess comfortable with talking to strangers, knowing how to foster a good relationship. Um, what are some— how, like, what was the one by Napoleon Hill?

Think and Grow Rich.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good one.

Yeah, you know what's interesting? So the stack that you went through is the same stack I went through. You were probably like 21, 22, 23, something like that, right? Yeah, yeah.

And I think yeah, the Gary videos also really spoke to me. I forgot who Tony Robbins. Yeah, Tony Robbins videos also really spoke.

You're on a personal growth tear.

Oh yeah, and I think the best part about it is I had no literally no distractions back then, and it just I I don't know what it was. It was just like it is just just every day like I got addicted to like reading all those things.

That's what it is. It's channeling the porn addiction, anime, the gaming addiction into something positive.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think I was jerking off as much during that. I, I don't think, you know, uh, it's still— there was still some, some, some fire shows that came out 2015.

So some jerking here and there?

Jerking here and there, and, you know, some binging here and there. Tokyo Ghoul came out that, that summer. Yeah, but yeah, there wasn't like— I, I think I, I watched— I finished a lot of the anime like leading up to that, like Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, like I finished. So like most of the long-winded series I've already finished. So that, I mean, coincidentally, yeah, I have more time on my hands. Um, yeah.

Okay, so I actually, I actually want to come back to— this is interesting because I still talk to my elementary school, my high school friends.

Yeah.

Um, which I'll get to in a second, but, um, you're— you talked about cutting off your high school friends. Yeah.

Why? Um, growing up in New York, it's— you're surrounded with a lot of negativity, actually. Like, New York City, it's kind of a cutthroat city. Even in high school, you know, people roast each other all the time, shit on each other. If you can't— if you really can't take it, then it kind of consumes you. So I think my high school friends also, they were not making the same like leaps in bettering themselves. They were still going to the same rec center, the same YMCA, talking about the same things. They were just, oh, I can't talk to her. Oh man, I'm— yeah, I'm gonna get a job this summer. I'm trying to apply for internships. It was just the same old conversations.

Yeah.

Whereas like I'm I'm like, I'm nose-deep in like Tony Robbins books. I'm like, I have a future for myself. I have dreams and aspirations. What are you talking about? No, I don't want to go to the rec center anymore, you know? So I think it was like a combination of like just wanting different things and just being surrounded with like negativity. I just really wanted to like cut all that out.

Have any of them tried to reach back out to you recently?

Yeah, yeah, recently, like Actually, just, just this past Thanksgiving. Yeah, like the, uh, just kind of just, uh, hit each other up on DMs and reconnected, but it was just more so reminiscing on like old times.

I think it's important to understand that like the whole— the Jim Rohn quote is like, you're the average of the 5 you hang out with most, right? Like, that is really true, right?

Right, right.

Yeah.

And I, I think I remembered that quote too from, from back then, and I was like I was, I was—

He coached Tony Robbins.

Yeah, I was doing my average. I was like, oh no, this isn't looking good for me. Yeah, I need a better average. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So is that why you moved to LA, to upgrade the average?

No. Well, no, I, I was in New York for up until 2020. So, uh, for the first like 4 or 5 years of like my YouTube career, I was still in New York. Um, but I think I was starting to surround myself with just more like-minded people and more people in my industry. Yeah, around that time.

And you, do you think moving to LA has been a net positive for you? Because this is away from home now, right?

Yeah, yeah, I would, I would say, well, I mean, for, for one, the rent is a little cheaper. Yeah. And, uh, 2, I could go outside in the winter. In New York, oh my God, come January, it's depressing. Yeah, it's Christmas, it's cute, they got the lights, but January, February, March, it's depressing. Yeah. And, um, And yeah, it's— and also I get to drive to places. So like lifestyle, it's a little bit— I like the lifestyle a little bit better in LA. There's more creators out here. There's more creator friends. So there's more, I guess, yeah, like-minded individuals.

Who would you say is in your circle now, right? So we mentioned Sneako earlier, right? He's coming up, it seems, on YouTube. Like, who do you hang out with now?

These days, Probably. I don't know if you know this podcast called Under the Influence. Um, yeah, them. And what about Suburb Talks? Have you heard of that?

No, no.

Um, they're like kind of older guys in the podcast space, right? Um, so yeah, they're, they're my, they're my core group. Um, uh, who do you know?

Who do I know? I mean, we know Alan, right?

Um, right.

Well, I hang out with like a lot of— I, I try to mix it, right? There's like podcasters, there's YouTubers, but, um, I hang out a lot with like business people, right?

Yeah, I mean, I'm very fascinated to like just be in those rooms and like just be in those conversations. I think, I think there's a, there's a lot people could learn from like different industries.

Totally.

And I think when you start cross-pollinating like ideas is when you could really like bring something new to your industry. So yeah, I'd love to be in, you know, those conversations.

Well, hey, we'll arrange that. Who do you follow now? Like, what are you reading more on the personal growth side? Because here's the thing, once you become addicted to that, at least for me, it doesn't stop. Like, after I started like downloading, I would download these $2,000 courses because I couldn't afford them off these like various websites, right? And burn them to a CD, burn them to a CD back then. And I'm just like, dude, this is great. So like, What are you listening to now?

Um, these days, um, who is, uh, do you know Iman Gadzhi? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fascinating how quickly he's grown.

Yeah, yeah. Um, I think he gives a lot of good, not just business advice, but also just like life advice. Um, from like, I, I guess from like a younger perspective, but I mean, he kind of moves like an older man.

Yeah.

Um, who else? Uh, Alex Hormozi.

Yeah.

Um, great. A lot of like very practical business advice. Um, yeah, I don't know, sometimes just like random, uh, TikTokers, um, or just random TikTok— not TikTokers, but like just random TikToks. Yeah, that would just like—

oh, because your TikTok's now just all personal growth stuff?

No, it's, it's like both. It's like mixed with like comedy, dating. Yeah, uh, personal growth. Yeah, um, it's, it's a mix, like my friend's podcast. Yeah, uh, mix of different stuff.

Okay, I have a couple more, more threads to pull on here. So let's talk about the value of What'd you play? You played Modern Warfare growing up. What else?

Modern Warfare 2. Okay, Modern Warfare 2 was my thing.

Yeah, yeah. What else you play?

Um, Combat Arms. Okay, I don't know if a lot of first-person shooters. Yeah, okay. Um, I'm trying to think, like MapleStory a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, I, I kind of stopped around like 2013.

Yeah.

Oh, GTA.

Okay.

Oh man, GTA 6 is coming out.

Okay.

That's about to go crazy.

So here's the question for you. It's, uh, how has gaming made you more successful as an entrepreneur? Uh, hmm.

I guess this is pretty specific to me, but like indirectly it made me understand addiction. It made me like become self-aware at like what addiction can do to you.

Yeah.

Um, so it— I don't think I've ever, like, since breaking out of my video game addiction, I don't think I've became— I, I guess I used that like energy to like harness into like building a business and like becoming obsessed with YouTube.

Yeah.

Right? So it's kind of understanding addiction. It made me understand addiction.

Interesting. Okay, and how about same thing for anime? What, what, uh, what are your favorite animes? Uh, I think you got Naruto in there.

Naruto is probably top 3. Then we got Code Geass.

Interesting.

Um, Death Note.

Yeah.

Um, no Jujutsu Kaisen?

Jujutsu—

oh, I mean, it's— this season is crazy. I don't know if you saw this.

I'm on it.

Oh man, this season is crazy.

Yeah.

I, I think, yeah, no, the fight— I don't know. I, I like anime that has a little bit more like psychological thrilling aspect to it rather than just straight hands, just straight like fighting, killing.

Yeah, yeah.

So, um, yeah, I mean, Chainsaw Man is also, uh, is— I, I want to see a lot of these animes just get animated, you know. Like, right now they're in their like manga season. So yeah, yeah.

And how do you think— same thing with anime, like the addiction, you learn how to channel your addiction, or is it something else that's helped you?

Well, with anime, there's actually— it's a lot more anime. There's so many life lessons you could pull from it, right? Like with Naruto, um, just the self-belief, you know, uh with, with One Piece is about harnessing friendships, characters, character building, world building. Um, so a lot of like my thought process actually stems from the things I gather from anime.

Yeah.

You know, uh, One Piece, like it, yeah, it has, has, it follows like a, a core group of people that just comes from all different walks of life, but they like You know, through this shared sense of like vision, they, uh, you get to see them really bond, right? So it's the same way I, I, I'm starting to look at videos. Like I'm having friends be in videos and we get to travel the world together. You know, it's just I could kind of world build off of the same way that One Piece—

Yeah, you're building your own One Piece.

There you go.

Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy piece. I'm gonna— let's cover the dating stuff first. And I wanna jump over to YouTube. Would you call yourself like a dating YouTuber or like how would you describe the niche that you're in right now?

It's weird. The niche I'm in right now is traveling mixed with dating.

Okay.

And I feel like, I mean, I've been on YouTube for like 7 years. So like over the course of time, I've had different arcs and different chapters.

Yeah.

So like I started off with street interviews and just taking my own problems to the street. And then it's kind of evolved into like some, you know, some anime stuff. But right now it's, yeah, traveling and dating.

What are you enjoying? Like, I remember when I first started seeing your stuff a couple years ago, you would go to like raves and ask dating questions to people, right?

Yeah.

And like, I found those to be fascinating. And those— I was just talking to Noah about this— those are like challenge videos, right? Where you're challenging yourself to go put yourself out there.

Sometimes challenging other people.

Yeah.

You know, telling other guys to go approach a girl, right? Because at a certain point, like, I've had enough, right? Maybe, you know, we'll, we'll get, uh, we'll get one of these guys up. Yeah, you know, to—

You guys like that? Yeah, they're down. So, okay, I mean, which ones did you— did you enjoy all the arcs, or like which one did you enjoy the most?

Um, I'm enjoying this current arc right now just because There's something so novel about traveling. Yeah, so like I kind of get to knock 2 birds with one stone with getting to travel and also documenting my time traveling. So yeah, I really like— I mean, it's expensive, but I like what I'm—

I was just watching some of your videos and it's really interesting. So you went on this— you went on a date with a flight attendant, you slept at the airport, and then you went on a second date where you— and then you flew to Toronto to visit her. And then you recorded that you guys did like a mukbang as well. So it's like The content itself, the format, I don't think I've seen anybody do that, right? I guess the question—

It's so intimate, right?

Yeah.

A lot of people wouldn't, wouldn't take the camera.

Yeah.

But like, I kind of look at this like, like How I Met Your Mother or like Friends, you know, stuff like this back in the day where people would watch, you know, sitcoms and they, they get an inside look at people's like, you know, relationship lives, dating lives. But like nowadays, like who's really making content like that out here?

Nobody really that I can think of, right? So what is your creative process? 'Cause I'm sure you're just not half-assing it, right?

No, yeah, I mean, like part of the creative process and like brainstorming is like watching or kind of jogging up my memory from like, you know, back then when I watched How I Met Your Mother, you know, or stuff of the past. 'Cause like a lot of times people get too caught up in like YouTube trends and like, oh, what everybody else is doing. But I think really what you could spark some great ideas is like taking ideas from way, way back, right? Um, like rom-coms, you know. Um, I remember, what was, what was the movie? I think it was like Before Sunrise. That's a vampire movie. Where it like, basically the premise of the movie was that, uh, it was a guy and a girl meets in a foreign, uh, in a foreign city, and then they spent like the entire day together all the way up until like Sunrise. So like 7 AM. So I kind of— I saw that movie on a plane and I was like, oh, what if I did that at an airport, right? Or like, where can I do that with somebody? So it really— I don't know, the ideas could come up from a lot of old content, you know, old movies, old TV shows, stuff like that.

And now, I mean, now with your arc, I feel like there's character building with you and people are becoming more invested in you. Do you feel that that's a thing or not really?

Yeah, yeah, no, no, definitely. People are very, like, I guess invested in my love life. But even beyond me, I'm starting to incorporate like other people and other characters in my videos. And I think that too, like my cameraman, right? Gabe, he's— once I started throwing him in the videos, I think that's when I saw like even like bigger engagement because now there's like multiple people to keep up with. More characters, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Did you intentionally design it that way where it's like, hey, this is gonna help character development, or it's like now it's become— you just notice it as like a—

Um, I think naturally, like, it was kind of— it wasn't super intentional. It was just like, oh, oh, Gabe, talk to this girl.

Yeah.

And then the fans were kind of seeing him struggling at first, and then like over time, people are invested in like his glow up.

Yeah. Right?

And then, um, yeah, so it wasn't like super— it was just like for shits and giggles at first.

I think the lesson here is, is basically even with business too, you just don't know where it's going to end up. And it's just like you just keep going and these things just start to happen. It's like a residual effect, right? And who knows what other characters you're gonna add. But now it's like, no, this character shit is actually Working. Yeah, so that's interesting. Okay, let's go back to this gal Chloe. So you take Chloe. Like I didn't watch this video yet. I've seen it. I watched the second one where you went to Toronto. Wait, how does this story work out? And then I'm gonna ask a bunch of questions about dating. So go for it. Like tell us the story with Chloe.

She I met her at a on a on an e-date. This was like one of my one of my homegirls. She set up a You're familiar with a, with an e-date, right?

No?

Okay.

You guys are, right? Yeah? No? No?

So basically it's, it's set up on Discord where it's almost like they have, uh, it's, it's, it's almost like a, like a, like a speed date in per— but like online. Yeah, just on Discord and you see the other person because it's like, think of a, of a Zoom meeting but except It's just a guy and a girl talking to each other, meeting each other.

Okay, but the fact that they don't know about it, is this like an Asian thing?

No, no, no, no, this is just an internet thing.

Because like, I can imagine like, okay, if I had this back in the day when I played a shitload of games, I would have done this for sure. And it's like, right?

But I mean, the webcam back then was just pixelated.

Oh yeah, right.

Nowadays you got some good, yeah, you know, quality. Yeah, the webcams. So it, uh, it worked out. And then Uh, but it was like an e-date competition, so it was me among like 3, 4, or 5 other guys that like— like it was one— it was almost a Bachelorette, but it's like just, just over the screen. Oh yeah.

Oh, so she had to keep picking like who she'd eliminate?

Right, right, right, right. And then each guy had their own little, little segment with her, and then, uh, at the end she chose me. So naturally, like, you know, our chemistry I think was the best. So I found out that she was a flight attendant from that. So I was like, okay, let me know the next time you're in LA. And fast forward like a month, 2 months later, she's like, oh, I'm flying in. And then I pitched her the idea, let's spend a day at the airport.

Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. So you spent a day at the airport and how long is it like, how long were you in the airport for?

I think we got in at like, like 5 PM. Yeah, 5 PM. And we were there until like 8 AM.

Okay.

Yeah.

And you pitched her idea, hey, we're gonna do a date at the airport. I'm gonna film this on YouTube. Yeah.

And she was down. I mean, she was down. I mean, she already did Twitch, so she was comfortable with being on camera already.

So, okay. And how about, so let's fast forward to the second one. You go to Toronto. Did you actually not tell her or did you tell her ahead of time?

No, I swear to— I didn't tell her.

Got it.

Yeah, yeah, but I, I had a feeling that, um, she— I mean, I told her beforehand that like, yeah, oh, we were gonna shoot a mukbang together over FaceTime. Yeah, so like she already came. I guess she was ready to film something.

Got it.

So she like got dolled up and yeah.

Okay, so Because you do, like I think the content you do is great and it's also unconventional. What are your unconventional takes on dating?

Unconventional takes.

Hmm. I see you hanging out with Sneako. I like that guy. So there's there's good stuff. There's gotta be good stuff.

Sneako, right? Um, I would say it's— this isn't really unconventional, but I would say a lot of guys settle down way, way too quickly. And I see my friends back home, you know, already just engaged. I mean, nothing wrong with being engaged, but how do you know this is the best thing for you?

Mm-hmm.

Right? So my thing is to be able to give yourself time in your, in your 20s to figure out your life first before you start dating. I don't— this isn't really unconventional. This is just— I don't think you should date seriously for the majority of your 20s. I just don't think people like People— I, I think you could just date for fun. You should date for fun in your 20s. I, I don't, I don't think you should date for— like, people in their 20s, oh, I'm, I'm dating for marriage. I'm like, how? No. People say— and then, and then I'm like, I ask them, oh, like, how come you're— why, why are you still single then? You know, you had— how many boyfriends did you have? How many relationships do you have? Oh, 3, 4. Okay, cool. And you're still dating for marriage? Like, no, like, no, get your life settled first. Like, you have to be ready in your own life before you are ready to be committed to someone.

So what do you, what do you tell them? Like, hey, I'm just dating for fun right now? Like, or do you just keep it open and just like not, not put a label on it?

I, yeah, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put a label on it. I think You could, um, if it progresses well, um, then we could talk about labels. But until then, people are just— are so rushed to put a label on. Oh, let's be boyfriend-girlfriend.

Let's—

oh, let's be exclusive. How do you know?

Yeah.

How do you— like, there's so many qualities that might throw you off along the way just because it feels good right now. Like I'm gonna commit to you? Like, no, right? So I think people are just too eager at love.

Interesting. I wanna— I wanna come back to this one, but I mean, with the YouTube stuff, like, it seems like there's a lot of videos recently where you're traveling, you're going on these dates, and then it seems like the girls are kind of trying to like angle it towards, hey, like, what are— what are we, right? Is it— is that happening, or, um, it feels that way?

Yes. But I mean, to be quite honest, I want to travel the world. I want to— before I settle down, right? It's like I said, people settle down way too quickly. And then I just don't want to live with regrets.

Right.

I don't want to look back, oh, I could have done this when I— you know, there's so much freedom that comes with like being, being single.

Yeah.

And then you have like, once you're in a committed relationship, like you're with this person, hopefully you're with this person forever. You have the rest of your life to be cuffed. Why aren't you taking advantage of right now to like live your life, you know?

Yeah.

So yeah, that's kind of my Got it.

We'll come back to that in a second. But I want to talk about the— what's like the business of Jimmy right now? Like, what is the business? How are you monetizing? And then we'll go from there.

The business of Jimmy. So I would say maybe 25% of my income is from like AdSense. And... I would say, like... These are estimates, but, like... another 25% could be from merch or the clothing line. And then another percentage is my... uh, 4th Wall, like the exclusive content platform.

OK, yeah.

Um, another percentage is brand deals. Another percentage is my real estate investment. Another percentage is my just random things like TikTok or TikTok brand deals, you know, just random stuff.

Got it. What's like the approximate monthly reach? Like any numbers you can share on the business reach or revenue, anything?

It ranges. Like, my best month was like $80K. Um, like a lower, lower month would probably be $30K.

Okay.

$30K.

And you're getting like millions of views a month, right?

I—

On your stuff?

Yeah, on YouTube, TikTok, everything.

Got it. Like, is that 5 to 7 million, something like that?

Um, on YouTube, depending on if I'm posting Shorts or not. Um, but for just regular videos, maybe like, yeah, 3 to 5 million. If I'm posting Shorts, that number could go up to like $30 million.

Got it.

Yeah.

I think this is interesting. And the reason I'm asking, and thank you for being so transparent too, because like, you know, sometimes our people aren't so transparent.

Right, right, right.

But I think this is good for people watching. Like, what's the vision here? Because you're really young right now, you're doing, let's call it $500 grand to $1 million a year. What's the ultimate vision with the business? What would you like to have happen?

Um, I would like to be able to branch out into a business. Like, hopefully the clothing line, the relaunch of the clothing line, um, can, can scale to something that's sellable in the future. Um, I'm kind of planning for another product, maybe a condom.

Interesting.

Yeah, it's, it's—

wow, Jimmy, what's up? Your name's Jimmy?

The Jimmies, the Jimmies, the Jimmies. Uh, and yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of like the idea that MrBeast was talking about. There isn't much innovation in like certain sectors.

Yeah.

Um, and in like the condom industry, like there hasn't been any innovation for X amount of years. Like Trojan has like taken over that For God knows how long, so I feel like a new cool online brand could be could be a vibe.

Got it. No, I like that. And so, like, is your move then? It's because I think what I've seen with YouTube creators—I'm not saying this about you—but YouTube creators—it's like they get very used to the sponsorship deals and the ads, right? And that's usually they get very comfortable. Yes. And yes, complacency is the word, right? It's like they just. But then it's like, dude, there's so much money being left on the table.

Yes.

And then you're actually thinking about doing a business and then where you can control the product, you can have more control of the margins.

Yes.

I guess what would be your message to these other YouTubers? Because they're great at getting audience, but the business side is lacking and you're already starting to think about it.

Yeah, yeah, I'm starting to think about it. But I mean, just tackling business and a product is its own huge learning curve, right? And especially for YouTubers, even on my size, I would say like, it's like I, I even like, I still need to step away from certain things to be able to like do the learning curve myself, you know. I don't have a full-fledged team around me to be able to like scale a business. Um, maybe for the condom thing, but yeah.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, and it's just like for a lot of creators, it's not necessarily bad actually that they want to just do the AdSense and the brand deals, right? But if they want to keep it to a kind of a lifestyle business.

Which is fine, it's not bad.

Yeah, right, right, exactly. And I think it's like only for those people out there that wants more from themselves out of life should pursue a business. But a lot of times that's fine if a lot of creators don't necessarily, aren't necessarily thinking about that because maybe it just doesn't fit their lifestyle, right? 'Cause as I'm getting older too, I'm thinking about like work-life balance as well. as well, right? It's like what fulfills me isn't just to grow, to, to get more money, to make more money.

Mm-hmm.

Um, but like you, you have to really, uh, be self-aware and ask yourself important questions like, oh, do I want to start another business? Um, although, you know, if you find like a golden nugget of a product, um, and that meshes really well with your niche, Sure, like it could take off. It could be very successful if done correctly. But a lot of times, it might not necessarily suit your lifestyle or suit who you are as a person. So asking yourself, do I want to start a business? Do I want more money? What what amount of money am I comfortable with? And yeah, just just being honest with yourself because sometimes you could want more and then upon doing more, you might. feel more burnt out and feel stressed out, and you might not like it.

It becomes more of a burden.

Right, exactly. More than— and then sometimes, you know, maybe you just want to stick to your videos and do the brand deals. And, and, and, and yeah, but I would say I would advise creators though that wants longevity in this field to think about innovation rather than think about like products. Like innovating your videos, right? How do I Um, take my videos from TikTok into YouTube that's digestible for YouTube? You know, like, how— like, this— maybe this is my 3rd, 4th year on YouTube. How do I make these videos, uh, relevant to the trends today? To, you know, the titles, the thumbnails, the whatever the algorithm wants. How do I make it applicable to, like, the 2024 version Right? So like thinking about those things, I think, is important for any creator.

Got it.

More so than the business.

How, how much time do you think you're spending on creating versus the business right now?

Mm-hmm. I think I'm still spending most of my time on creating because that's what makes the engine run. The business, I will say I'll take a day or two out of the week to kind of like strategize, but like mainly like I'm still thinking about making videos.

So like 80% of the time creating, yeah, 20%, yeah, interesting. Um, and your, your team right now, you mentioned it might be a small team. So how big is the team right now? How much do you think you're spending per month on the team? This is a question I always ask creators.

Yeah, um, so the team right now, um, I have a full-time I would say altogether probably around like $10K a month.

Okay.

On the editing, the shooting, everything.

Got it.

Yeah, and the editors are more so like freelancers.

Got it. And your videographer is probably the big— a big chunk of that?

The big chunk. Yeah.

Got it. I'm assuming he's like the guy that's like full-time with you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. And that said, I mean, it seems like you guys have a really good relationship. What's his name again?

Gabe.

Gabe. Okay. Does he— I mean, how often do you see him?

Oh, he's my roommate. Every day I wake up next to him.

So you're like, hey, like, I'm going to hire you. Okay. So Gabe, you wake up next to him. So you say, hey, I'm going to hire you, but you're going to sleep at my place too. Was that the deal?

I mean, it was, it was so Um, I guess not bootleg— bootstrap, is that the word?

Bootstrap is like when you haven't raised any money, you built it from the ground up.

Right, right. So I guess it was like a bootstrap relationship where he, uh, in the beginning when I wasn't making like as much money, yeah, I was just kind of like— I was still editing the videos myself. Yeah. Um, he— when I came out to LA in like 2020, yeah, Um, to, I guess, innovate the content, to like figure out what videos to make. Because for the longest time I was shooting the man on the street stuff. Yeah. And when the world shut down, what the fuck do I do? Yeah, you know, so, um, came to LA to make more videos with other content creators. And then that's when Gabe kind of took a leap himself. Yeah. And was like, yo, you need anybody to help shoot for you in LA?

He saw you coming up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at the time I was kind of like freelancing him like for specific videos. But when he flew out himself and was like, yeah, man, like, let's, let's— I'm here to— like, he bought his own ticket.

Wow.

He flew himself out.

Yeah.

And was like, I'll help, I'll help film for you. And just that level of like commitment made me feel like, oh, this could be my guy.

Yeah.

Beyond that though, I think we just have like a shared sense of Humor. Okay. And we just click.

How do you think Gabe— because he's known you pretty well, he knows you pretty well— how do you think Gabe would describe Jimmy as a person?

Um, messy, driven, I guess. And we talked about this where it's like, how— like, what made our relationship last for so long?

Right.

Like, what were the things that made us complement each other so well? And I think for him it was his patience, and for me it was like my grit and my perseverance and like always trying to figure out like when, when, when things hit the fan or when like, um, when the videos are stagnant, like I'm Trying to figure something out, right? And even when we like are out filming and we're like hit with, you know, certain obstacles, like I'm trying to figure it out and he's also like, maybe he has the patience and he has like the calm demeanor to like calm me down. So it's like, I guess those traits, we complement each other very well.

Got it. Yeah, sounds like a good team. What are some of those obstacles that you run into? I'm just curious, like what's some crazy stuff you've seen when you're out shooting?

Ooh, I was in— oh man, I was in Korea, uh, just trying to make some videos, just trying to just get— just talk to a single— just get one girl to be down for, for a video. Yeah. Oh my god, I must have been rejected 100 times.

In a row?

Well, I mean, I lost count, but yeah, it was just— it was like sometimes they wouldn't even Look at me. It was just— I mean, it's the culture.

Yeah.

Right, naturally. Um, so that was demoralizing. Uh, what else? Um, I had— there's some videos where I have Joker moments where like leading up to it, it's like a big, uh, big task that I'm about to embark on and I'm like, like on the drive there, I'm like, like I start like manically like laughing like I don't know if I can do this. Yeah, you know, um, so yeah, I think another one was like, um, sneaking into like, um, this— crashing this David Dobrik party like way back when. Um, yeah, I'm trying to think.

Did you film it too when you got inside?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I filmed it too. It was like heavy security outside. Um, but like you've seen YouTubers do that, so it's like, like sneaking into mansions, sneaking into like football stadiums and stuff like that. Like I think I've done some videos like along those lines.

Got it, okay. You know what's interesting to me? You mentioned, you know, following Gary Vee stuff, it's helped you a lot. And I've noticed, I mean, YouTube obviously has changed a lot. It used to be about your number of subscribers. Now it's just like, how good are your videos?

Yeah.

I talked with another creator about this. It's— and he was sitting there in your seat a couple weeks ago. It's just basically when you look at Gary Vee's channel, I still love the guy, but his videos don't do well anymore, right? And you mentioned a key thing that you did, like, it's like you gotta iterate, right?

Yeah.

So, the question for you is like, how do you think about iterating? Because we kind of talked about this a little bit where like you changed the arc, right? But I think what are practical ways for people to think about how to not become stagnant? Because that's what happens a lot with content.

There's so many ways to innovate and it's not just from like an ideas perspective. Right? It's like, it's not just, oh, like ideas is key, but another way is just diversify your platforms, right? I think last year I started really investing in my TikTok and I have so many people coming up to me like, oh, I've seen you from TikTok. So when you think about innovation in that perspective, like each platform you get a different shot at, at blowing up, right? Maybe Gary's videos isn't doing quite well on YouTube. Maybe his, his Instagram is. Maybe his, um, TikTok is. Yeah, IG Reels. You know, I have— I see so many creators where, um, where, yeah, maybe they're not as relevant on YouTube anymore, but hey, their Instagram Reels is like, you know, they have millions of followers on Reels. Or maybe Facebook. You know, I, I came up up on a time where Facebook was popping, you know. I have like, I, I don't know, like maybe 650, 700K followers on Facebook.

Wow.

Um, and yeah, like, I, I mean, for the first year, 2 years of my, my content journey, like, I was mostly making money from Facebook. So it's like, who knows, maybe there's a platform next year that like that people could hop onto and be one of the first people to hop on the platform and, you know, start making original content there. So it's, it's really, um, yeah, thinking about the different platforms and then to, I guess, the, uh, coming up with ideas, coming up with good ideas and having a— like, I have a team now that comes up with ideas for me.

Interesting. How many people are helping you come up with ideas?

Well, we got Gabe, we got me, myself, we have, uh, like a, a content strategy person that just shoots a bunch of ideas at me.

Yeah.

And I, I kind of give him direction on the— on what kind of ideas I'm looking for, right? For example, like at first he was looking at the, the YouTube homepage and like videos in my niche, but I feel like that's— I'm kind of chasing other people's glory and other people's trends. But like, I, I told him specifically to look for you know, ideas from like way, way back when, like the past. I think that's when you could really extract some, some great ideas.

What would be like an example of that?

Um, I don't want to give away, uh, some— I mean, like earlier the example I had was like Before Sunrise, a movie, right? Um, that was something that I— you see this in music all the time. You see a lot of like artists sample old beats, right? And they— it just does amazing now. Like, Jack Harlow recently came out with a song called Lovin' Something. What's it? What's it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have it on my Spotify, but, but it was, it was like he sampled Drake, like the motto. Yeah.

So he repurposed it for like his own—

Basically. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like Right? This is like the beat was, uh, from the, the, the Motto from, from, from Drake. You know what I'm saying? So it's like—

That makes sense.

So it's like I, I look at content kind of the same way. It's like you could sample old stuff, you know?

I like that. Um, It's, you know, nothing's really that original at the end of the day. We're all just building on each other.

Right, exactly.

Yeah. So I guess the business, I mean, you're thinking about this clothing, this brand, right? Are you thinking about— it sounds like you're trying to learn more about business right now, but do you think there's an angle where you just maybe just partner with an operator or like a business that's already doing it and they'll give you equity? Like, how are you thinking about that?

So I could, but I would be giving up more equity of my shares.

Yeah, trade-offs.

Right. With the clothing line, I am looking for investor currently. I actually realized like how important an investor could be to like Really scaling the business fast. Yeah, and a lot of times I— people don't really think about this. People are just like, I'll just do it myself, but it's actually, you know, it's really important.

Would you, would you consider crowdfunding it with— given your audience size?

If I make a solid pitch at an investor, I get the money like this. Um, and I feel like nowadays there's so many, um, invest— investors that's looking to invest because the creator economy is like this new thing that's— yeah, that's booming.

They want to bet on the creator, right?

Yeah. So I just have to give them a great reason to bet on me.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure a lot of people would love— like, I would love to invest into Jimmy the creator, um, and whatever you build, right? Just because like there's so much leverage in the attention piece, which you know how to get. Do you, by the way, I mean, right before you went, we were just talking about how like, it's really important to build an audience, but it's also like, how do you retain that audience? So like, how do you think, do you have an email list right now? How do you think about email?

Man, emails. No, I don't. I mean, for the clothing line, I have an email list, but not for the channel.

The Jimmy, the Jimmy channel?

Yeah.

It's interesting. We can talk about that.

Yeah, we could. Yeah, emails, that always felt super old school to me. So I don't really— I haven't really tapped into that now.

Email is where you can just tap the register and it's like the ATM for you, assuming you do it the right way. I don't— so we were just talking with Noah just right before. It was just like most creators don't think about email. To your point, yeah, because it's like, do people do email? But it's like, it is the The ROI per email sent is like $39 to $40 per email sent. So, it gets pretty significant.

Yeah.

Yeah. Dude, some of your videos, I was looking at the most popular ones. So, we kind of talked about how you've evolved but—

Right.

Can you talk about this one? I lasted 14 minutes with the hottest adult film star, 2.3 million views.

Yeah, that was some good old clickbait.

What happened there?

Well, you notice the video is 14 minutes.

Yeah.

Lasted 14 minutes in an interview. So good old clickbait.

But you still got the views.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, it was a— it's just an interview.

Okay. All right. But I guess that works. I, I was just looking at— I was like—

Fully monetized, by the way.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you don't, you don't need to, you know, like, you don't need to put something so, so crazy. It's just Some clever titling.

Okay. I like that.

Um, the—

your content stack right now, like, there's a lot of YouTubers that use like different— like, I think I— one guy uses like thumbnailtest.com, tests like 100 thumbnails, right? Like, what are some like quirky things that you might do with YouTube? What's in your stack? Like your tech stack?

I don't have— oh, no.

Nothing fancy?

No, I don't even have the IQ thing. The, the little vidIQ. Yeah, I don't have it. Yeah, it's just, uh, good old YouTube Analytics. And for thumbnails, um, sometimes I just take— I mean, this is bad, but sometimes I just take a screen capture of the video. Wow.

And it just works.

Yeah, because sometimes it's like during the video, maybe something, something's happening, like a, a really golden moment is happening on the spot. You, you sometimes forget to take a thumbnail, but Um, and you need— that's probably gonna be the hook for my video. So I just, I would just take a screenshot of that.

Dude, I think going back to Gabe for a second, that, that is like an unfair advantage because if you guys, if you have a guy that's living with you, you guys are literally just talking about this stuff all day long and you compound a lot faster. It's not like you guys are waiting to see each other like every week or so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and it's, it's a, it's a good symbiotic like relationship too because It's— this isn't his full-time thing. Like, he also has like a production business. Yeah. So it's like— so yeah, we're not talking about it all the time, but you know, when we do have time to link up.

Yeah. So I'm curious. I mean, look, it's still very early in your career right now. Like, what is the ultimate goal for you?

A family, kids. No.

Those are good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ultimate, I mean, that's really what— honestly, it's just fulfillment, personal fulfillment, career fulfillment.

Do you feel like you have that already?

I think to a certain degree. I think it's just continue, like, just living a fulfilling life, being able to give back to the people that I care about, making enough to give back to the people that I care about. And, you know, buy some houses, create some generational wealth, and live a long happy life.

What does generational wealth look like to you?

I guess a lot of different properties for one. Maybe giving my kid— no, I wouldn't give them inheritance. They got to work for that money themselves. So you're gonna give it away? No, no, I'm not. They have no, no, no. I don't know what I'm gonna do with my, but okay. I think beyond generate beyond the money aspect, wealth comes in like multiple shapes and forms, right? So it's like being able to just learn more about life. I like the idea of traveling too because I get to make relationships in like different parts of the world, right? And say in the future, you know, I have business in like Taiwan or like China or wherever, I get to. you know, bring my family or people that I'm close with to these different parts of the world. And I just, I think having connections, um, that expands beyond my, like, my immediate circle, I think it's so, uh, satisfying, so fulfilling for, for me.

Yeah, I feel like the One Piece thing really aligns with this. Yeah.

The quest. Yeah.

Do your parents know what you do?

Yeah, they know. My mom, like, she keeps up with all the videos.

Oh wow.

Yeah, every time there's a new girl, she's like, oh, you're taking this one seriously? Maybe, maybe, Mom. We'll see.

That's funny. Does your dad watch too?

My dad, yeah, here and there. Yeah, he gets a little bit more political. Oh no, don't do the video that you did with the North Korean girl again. That's bad. You know, he's a little bit more political.

He just wants you to be safe, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you think now they're proud of you?

I would say so. I would say so. Yeah, they were, uh, I would say the moments that I think they would be proud of are like super stereotypical, right? Like, is when their friends brag to them about like, oh wow, like, my sons are a fan of your son, right? And then When they see how much money I'm making, you know, like, and in comparison to their friends.

Yep, always.

It's like, okay, oh, that's when they're proud, right? It's not— yeah, yeah.

So they're not bugging you to have kids or anything yet?

So my mom is a little bit— she's bugging me to find somebody, but at the same time she also gets it, you know, like she wants me to live my life.

That's the final Infinity Stone. First they want you to make money first, then they want to make sure that, you know, you have a kid and everything so they can They got the kids too, right?

Yeah, you know, um, so they could raise the kid. I'm not letting— Mom, you're not raising my, my kid.

Do they, do they visit you often? Like, what's the deal?

Um, do you see them now? I think they will more often because my little brother, um, got into UCLA. Oh, nice.

So yeah, right over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go see him after this. Um, so I, I I think they want to actually eventually move out here because if I'm staying out here and I don't know if my little brother— yeah, he's— he might stay out here. I mean, he applied to all the UC schools because I told him to. Yeah, you know, I was like, come out here with me. Yeah, you know, we get to hang out more. I'm very close with my little brother. That's cool. Um, so, so yeah, I don't know, my parents might move out here.

Ship your parents to Arcadia or something.

But yeah, no, they would love it actually. Oh my God.

That's where I grew up.

Really?

Yeah. Well, Jimmy, this has been good. What's the best way for people to learn more about you online?

You know, just Jimmy Zhang on YouTube. I've done some podcasts like this one, and Eric—

Eric Wei?

Yeah, Eric Wei. These podcasts are a little different than my usual type of stuff, so yeah, it's a little bit more personal.

Yeah, no, this is good. I appreciate you sharing everything, and thanks for doing this.

No, absolutely.

Thank you.