Dmitri Alperovitch argues the U.S. doesn't have a generic cyber problem but a nation-state one: China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea harbor criminal groups that launch sophisticated attacks with government protection. Cyber conflict is geostrategy by other means.
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How has the nature of conflict, cyber conflict evolved since you helped pioneer that?
Look, I've coined this phrase a long time ago that we don't have a cyber problem. We have a China, Russia, Iran and North Korea problem. In that when you look at the threats that we face in the cyber domain, the nation state threats are coming almost exclusively from those countries and the militaries and intelligence services of those countries. And even in the criminal sphere, the. The majority of cybercrime that we face today, particularly the most insidious kind, like ransomware, is coming from criminal groups that are based in those countries, that are provided safe haven by those nations. And that's not an accident. The reason it's those four is because there are four primary adversaries. And it's not that no one else has capabilities in cyberspace or there are no cybercriminals elsewhere. Those nations that we have very good relationships with don't tend to attack us. Right. I don't worry a lot about what Singapore Cyber Force might do against the United States because we have a good relationship with them. I don't worry a lot about cyber criminals in the UK because I know that the UK law enforcement agencies will investigate thoroughly and will arrest them if. If they're doing significant damage to the United States. So the problem really is with those four geostrategic adversaries. So cyber, in effect, is geostrategy.