How to Banish FEAR & Embrace Love: Dr. Wayne Dyer's Wisdom in 3.5 Hours

Your life changes the moment you decide to trust your inner voice.

Staying stuck in fear or doubt isn't just holding you back, it's robbing the world of your unique gifts.

In this episode of Excuses Be Gone, Dr.

Wayne Dyer reveals how aligning with your purpose can shift everything. Through stories of a musician preparing for a bold tour, a professor struggling with guilt after leaving academia, and a listener inspired to serve others, he illustrates the transformative power of trust in the universe, replacing fear with love, and letting imagination lead the way. The stakes are clear. You either step into your higher self or risk living a life that doesn't fulfill your potential. Start now, trust, take action, and let the universe meet you halfway.

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And we welcome Dr. Dyer joining us from his home in Maui. And how are you today, Dr. Dyer?

I am just great. Thank you very much. I just came out of this beautiful ocean. Oh my God, it is so beautiful here today.

So lucky.

I was out there swimming and there are some days when you're out there swimming. I was out there for about an hour and a half and you could hear the whales just so loud and clear. I mean, almost like there were words coming out of them whenever you would go down below the water. So I spent a lot of time on the bottom just listening and just the really beautiful sounds of knowing that these huge creatures are out there. They're just really big and in force this year.

That's such a haunting sound, isn't it?

It really is.

When you listen to them communicate, it's amazing. You wonder what they're saying.

Yes, I know. I wonder if they're listening to us.

Yeah, that was very cool.

Yeah, it was. It was a cool morning. So anyway, I'm back. What's going on with you?

Well, before we get into the calls, I just wanted to share a letter that we got here at Hay House with you. It's pretty amazing. It's all the way from Greece, from Athens, Greece, from a listener named Natalie Ashley. And she mentions you throughout the whole letter, how The Shift has really inspired her to make a shift. So I wanted to share with you, yeah, about the movie. And she says she was watching the movie in November, a couple of months back, and she was watching The Shift. And she said after she watched the movie, it was late at night, she was kind of thinking about the the messages in the film, what you were trying to convey. And then she began praying, asking the universe, what can I do to consciously change the life of another human being? And she was fantasizing about things like winning the lottery and stuff like that. And then she said, what can I do right now to touch the life of another human being? So she thought about it, and the question that came up was, what is your passion? And her passion is traveling. And then she thought, well, how can my passion for travel help someone else? So she's thinking, well, I have a beautiful apartment here in Greece, Athens, Greece, located right at the Acropolis. She's like, why not offer the apartment to someone who's dealing with a health issue, you know, like someone with cancer who could really use a break? So she got all excited about the idea and went online and found an organization that gives away trips to cancer patients. So all these serendipitous things started happening. She got put in touch with the right people. One thing led to another, and she's having a raffle, like a contest, with this group called Laura's Journeys to give away a trip to someone who could really use it that wants to get away. And she said that that's what what she thought was the message of her watching the film. And she says here at the end— I'm paraphrasing because I want to tell you the whole story without reading the whole letter— and she says, this is, I am sure, what Dr. Dyer meant when the scene where the owner of the retreat was playing the music he heard on the piano. It was so beautiful. She said, I heard that night on my balcony after watching the film The Shift. The universe was like playing to her, and all she had to do was listen, and everything just kind of happened so easily. She said the experience was so humbling and that it was the movie watching The Shift caused kind of all this domino effect of things to happen, and now she's able to help another person.

Wow, isn't that wonderful? Well, that's what The Shift is really about. It's about taking your life— you know, there's a book called The Shift coming out in about 3 weeks, and the subtitle is Taking Your Life from Ambition to Meaning. And that's really what it's about. It's about moving away from ego and what's in it for me and not thinking about yourself and what I can have. And a life of meaning is one in which you are thinking like God thinks, as Einstein said. And thinking like God thinks, it's about serving, it's about giving, it's about taking the attention, the inner mantra away from, you know, the inner mantra of the ego is always what's in it for me, what's in it for me, what's in it for me, how much can I get, how much, you know, why can't I have more, why can't I get it on time, why can't I have what I want. And the mantra of the higher self, of spirit, is, how may I serve? How may I serve? How may I serve? That's how God thinks. How may I serve? And that's exactly a perfect example of that. And in the film, there's a character in the film. His name is Joe. And he's actually the owner of the retreat center there, Asilomar. But every time you see him in the film, at every moment you see him, and people who've seen the film several times point this out, that he's always serving. He's always seeing what he can do. He's always either picking up trash, he's cutting roses for somebody, or he's serving somebody something that to eat. He's continuously doing something for somebody else, and he's the owner of the place. He doesn't have to do that. He could just have anything he wanted. Yeah, that's great.

It's wonderful.

I love to hear stories like that. It's really terrific.

But what was interesting that I thought was she made sure to point out in the letter that, like, once she started on, on the path and things started coming to her without even really having to try very hard, you know, like, all these people were helping, and she was able to get the project off the ground. And she says it was— the crazy thing was it was so easy. It was if this project had a life of its own from the very start.

Well, it's very true. I have a good friend who's in nursing school right now, and she's overwhelmed. She's got to write a 30-page paper, and it's due next week or something on a certain patient that she's working with in the hospital. She's just saying, I just don't think I can do it. I'm going to have to— I'm not going to make it through this program. I can't. I don't have time. I've got 2 kids, blah, blah, blah. And I said, just write the opening paragraph. In other words, just get started on it, just, you know, which is what this woman is saying that she did. Because once you get started on it, all the forces then, you know, the procrastination, the putting it off, the setting it aside and saying, well, I'll get to that, or all the worry around whether or not you can do it. When you just sit down and you just start it, you just get going with it, before you know it, you've got the first page done, then the second page, and you're involved, and then the right people show up, and the events, and whatever you need, and someone will call and tell you what you were looking for, what was missing, and so on. When you start aligning yourself in the right way and get rid of the worry and the fear and the procrastination and the anxiety, The universe just, I mean, the truth of it is, man was meant to be happy and to be content, not to be filled with worry and anxiety and stress.

That's it exactly, just align yourself and things happen. So I think it was great that she shared the story and all from just, she was sitting on her balcony after watching the movie and then went to another room.

I wonder how she got the film in Greece. Someone must have sent it to her. I wonder if—

We could have sent it to her. She may have been a colleague.

The film is also being translated. I know it's out in German now and in Spanish, and I don't mean with subtitles. Actually having actors, you know, say the lines and so on. So I've got German coming out of my mouth in some places, and Spanish and others, and French and others.

That's great. Yeah, it's going global.

Shift is— yeah, it's happening in a big, big way. I'm real happy about it.

Well, we've got some great callers rolling in to talk to you. We've got about 8 minutes, so we could probably take a couple before, but I'm glad I had a chance to tell you the story. So we have an interesting caller from Israel, from Jerusalem, Israel. So I thought we could start with him, Bradley, on line 5. And welcome to the show, Bradley. You're on with Dr. Wayne Dyer today.

Thanks so much, Dr. Dyer. I'm a huge fan of your audiobooks. That's been a huge help. Thank you. Oh, you're very welcome. I appreciate it. Nice to hear from you from the Holy Land. Yeah, I'm calling you from the Holy Land.

I, I listened to Excuses Be Gone And it was a mind-blower for me.

And I'll just tell you really briefly what I— I'm 40 years old. I did a music degree back in university. I've been teaching guitar since I was 16. I'm still teaching guitar. I started producing when I was about 31, being a session musician and a producer.

And in my late 20s, I—

half my income was actually performing original music. And When I was 31, I kind of cleaned up from being a pothead, got out of all that, got more into just being a serious guitar teacher, producer, and I moved to Israel at 34, so about almost 5 and a half years ago, and just kind of kept doing that kind of work out here. And I realized I wasn't really satisfied with it. I'm really good at it, but I just, you know, it wasn't my real passion. And out here it wasn't so easy to make it happen. It's a very small country. I've now made a plan to go ahead, and on June 1st, I'm gonna go to the States. I'm gonna spend 4 months out there, tour. I don't know how, I don't know where the gigs are coming from yet.

I just, I'm just trusting I'll get them. I'm, you know, putting the promo together now.

I have some fears, honestly, about not making it financially, maybe not enjoying it, maybe having that kind of lifestyle, and will I ever get married, you know? And even fears about kind of leaving Israel, even though it hasn't been a very easy place. But it's, you know, at least I found some sort of comfort zone there. And right now my business actually has been kind of declining with the teaching and producing. I put my rates really high, and I'm just reframing it as, it's good timing, it's time to get out of here. Well, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about that. Well, the thing that struck me about what you were saying was the fear that's in there that, you know, you might not make it financially, you might not end up getting married. That's the kind of sabotaging stuff that the ego does to our dreams, to our imagination. Why not instead just imagine this thing absolutely working out perfectly? And every single time the idea of what it is that you're going to be doing on this tour that you're doing, every time that that subject comes up for you, you know, even if it's 1,000 times a day, you go in your imagination to what you have imagined it to be. That is, the right people will show up, the right financing will take place, I'm not going to go broke. You know, you can always I always tell people, you can always walk down the produce aisle of enough grocery stores and eat the grapes that they throw away. You're not going to starve to death, right? Right, right. And once you know that, once you're totally, completely at peace with that, you know, that you know that you're going to be fine, then you don't use your imagination. You know, like one of the great gifts that, you know, I'm working on a book that will be coming out next year. Called Wishes Fulfilled. I haven't started on it yet, but I will be soon. And it's really all about placing in our imagination what it is that we want and then living from that place. And then every time the subject of the, the what it is that you would like to create comes up, instead of going to some disaster which takes you away from what you have in your imagination, which is a successful, you know, tour, uh, instead of that, uh, you know, you, you create, uh all kinds of negative things. Other people have tried this. You'll hear somebody say, "Oh, they did that and they went broke." And, "You're never going to find your mate if you don't settle down." And you get rid of all of those thoughts, and instead you just always go back to, "I am creating for myself the vision that I have set, and I'm living from that place." And ultimately, then you start retraining your subconscious mind, which is where all of creation takes place for yourself, in the subconscious mind. And you start retraining it so that what's built into into the part of you that isn't consciously thinking is experiences that match up to what it is that's in your imagination. And before you know it, these kind of things just become your reality, and that's how you live. Does that make sense? It totally makes sense. Thanks. And I wonder, one of the things that if I could just ask, like the question in my mind of whether or not to leave this country, leave Israel after 5 and a half years, kind of weighs heavily on me.

Part of me is like, just go to America where you've got access, you can run around, you can play all these gigs.

Part of me is like, oh, I should maybe stay based here where there's other advantages. How do you deal with those kind of questions?

Do you just kind of let it flow and see what happens?

Yeah, if you've got an idea inside of you about doing this and you've already spoken about it twice in just the short time that we've had speaking about it, So it must be something that's on your mind all the time. You can't deny that. That's your calling. You know, that's really, you know, I always say prayer is you talking to God, but your intuition is God talking to you. You know, that's the source. That's your source. That's the highest place within yourself. That's the source of creation speaking to you and saying, this is something you've got to try out. You don't have to, it doesn't have to be permanent because Israel isn't going to close its borders. You know, I mean, you can always come back if that's what you want. But the idea of trying to suppress that and say, well, but I better stay here because it's safer, there's other advantages, I should be, you know, maybe even, you might even have religious reasons why you should be there, or some kind of loyalty that you might feel to the country or whatever. But if you've got that internal kind of calling, that pull, you don't want to get to what I say about it. Have you seen The Shift? Have you seen the movie?

Yeah, I loved it.

Yeah, you know, that whole idea of, you know, what if my whole life has been wrong, what Leo Tolstoy's Ivan Ilyich is saying. You don't want to get to the end of your life and die with your music still in you. I mean, your music's got to be played. And are you an American? Yeah. You have an American passport? Oh yeah, so it's easy for me to get around there. Yeah, so it's not— and Israel is always available. I wouldn't even suppress it for a second. To me, any kind of intuitive knowing that just won't go away, you know, that just gnaws at you, that's just God speaking. That's God telling you, you know, get off of your ass and try it. Thank you so much, Dr. Dyer. Thanks, God bless you. Stand by, we're gonna get a copy of The Shift off to you in Israel, okay? Oh, thank you a lot, take care. Namaste.

That's great advice. I always tell people, you know, when they're afraid to make that move, well, you can always come back, you know? Then people are afraid to take that step and they overthink things, I think.

Well, I think it's true, it's what we were talking about earlier. It's about doing, about anything. It's like there's, we use our minds to keep us from being in the place that an intuitive kind of calling is directing us to go to. And instead, we start going to— we start using these memes. It's, it's, it's dangerous. It's not going to work out. It's not safe. You could starve to death. You could end up, you know, not meeting, you know, never getting— all of these kind of things. This is also sabotaging memes that come from mind viruses that were implanted in us when we were little boys and little girls. The adventurous spirit in us says Just give it a shot. Go out there. Life is meant to be lived.

And taking some more calls, Dr. Dyer, let's go to—

Yeah, by the way, we had a great reaction last week to the film on Wishes Fulfilled that played all over the country.

Oh yes.

Yeah, I got calls from all over the place. So we had lots and lots of people. So it was really a very successful thing. Nice to be a part of that.

And didn't you sneak into one and see?

I did. I did it twice. I went both times here on Maui and we had a nice big crowd the last you know, the second time we did it. So it was fun to be there.

That's amazing. We'll have to do that again. Yeah, big cinema event. So let's see what's happening in Silver Spring, Maryland. Head over there to Janice. She's on line 3. Hi, and you're on with Dr. Wayne Dyer today.

Hi, Dr. Dyer.

How are you?

Fine, thank you. I wanted to ask you about something. I have I was a professor, a music professor, and I left academia because I landed in a job after the hurricane that was just not the right job for me in every way, shape, or form. I'm sure I learned my lessons, but I think it was also a combination of burnout, and it was also the state of education and my differences in parenting and things like that all kind of piled up, and I decided to take a break. And one thing I've been having difficulty— I'm really certain it was the right thing, but I've been having trouble with feeling a lot of guilt about not now, not contributing to the world in the way I did. I'm— I am contributing, but in a different way. I felt really— it was such a time of kind of withdraw, with retreat after the hurricane happened.

And I'm—

the hurricane, 3 Hurricane Katrina, I was teaching there, and then I lost my home, you know, and then I moved away from New Orleans, and a year later got a job on the East Coast, and that was the job I was, the nightmare job I was telling you about, and then—

What kind of job was that? Just very briefly, what was it? I was a professor.

I was a professor, so I trained teachers to be teachers of music, and that was my job. Yeah, yeah. Well, I had been doing that job in many different cities all my life. Yeah, and in New Orleans I had a wonderful job, but this particular— these set of circumstances were not ideal, and I knew it before I took the job. But I was panicked about obviously making a living, and that was the opening that I chose. I really wanted to be on the East Coast, so I got out here, took the job, and then I resigned after a year. And so now I'm really following my passion. I've always had an interest in jewelry, and I make jewelry, and I know a lot about the stones and the properties of the stones, and I have a great, a really nice job. It's like half my salary. It's very difficult to make ends meet, but I find myself feeling really guilty that I'm just doing this job, which is so easy compared to the job that I had, in which I was really, you know, as a professor, you're really contributing on so many levels, and I feel like this guilt that maybe my life is over. It's like, I, you know, when you do a PhD and you study for so long and you become really good at what you do and then you just walk away, I'm wondering if maybe I was like—

let's stop for a second. So what, but again, you've heard me talk about memes and excuses be gone. You know, memes are these like cultural, they're viruses that are handed to us, right, that are not— they have no truth in them whatsoever. They've just become like a mind virus. They just, they get repeated enough times and they duplicate enough times and they infiltrate us and they spread from us to other people that we start believing in them. One of the memes that I hear coming out of you is that if you're not working hard, you're not being valued, it's not valuable, you're doing something wrong. If you're not, and another one I'm hearing you saying is that if I'm not being productive, if I'm not doing something for, in the way of like you do when you're a professor, then somehow I'm inadequate or I'm not fulfilling my own Dharma, or I'm not doing the right thing, and so on. But I just wonder where we get this. I just wonder if we're the only creatures on the planet that really believe that we have to go out there and we have to work hard and we have to struggle and we have to, you know, we have to, you know, we have to feel like we're really being sweating and really, you know, doing something in order to be valuable. And in fact, I think that probably the most creative times in my own life— and I know because I have been through the academia rule, I have a PhD, I know what it's like to sit in a library for 8 years and study, which is what I did. I literally spent the decade of the '60s in my own little library booth that I had. When I think about the most productive days that I have now, they're the days that when I do yoga and when I meditate and when I swim and when I walk and when I just contemplate and when I just— Really? Yeah.

But something keeps you writing those books, though. I mean, you don't do that all the time.

No, but the idea The ideas for those books come in those peaceful moments, in those times when I'm being contemplative, when I'm allowing, when I'm learning, when I'm listening. And the writing doesn't become— it's like I never think— and I have this very meme that you have in me. I mean, I have it in spades in lots of other ways as well. I mean, my parents, my mother and father were— I was born during the Depression in 1940. And so I've still got like these crazy meme depression mentality of believing that I'm poor and following my kids around and taking the toothpaste tubes that they throw away and brushing my teeth on them for the next 3 weeks. Right, right. So I mean, these kinds of things, these are like carryover kinds of things. And then when I think about the— even now, even to this day, I still think to myself, as productive— I've written 35 books. I've produced movies, I've produced endless numbers of CDs and programs and so on, and there's still a part of me that shares exactly what you're saying that says, you know, it's too easy for you.

Right.

You should be working harder. You should be getting up and struggling and doing what you did, you know.

And I did, and I used to deal with that. I know you're right because I used to deal with that when I was actually being a professor, but the key here, the key issue really is that I have these talents. I have, I can, you know, I'm a pianist. I have these talents as a teacher and I'm not using them. Am I walking away, just flagrantly turning my back on the universe? That's where my guilt is. How old are you? I'm 40— how old am I? 46? 46.

46. You sound so young. But, you know, it's like, again, some of the most productive people that I know, including people that I've read— I quote a lot of people in my books and so on, philosophers and very very accomplished people. People like Da Vinci, people like Michelangelo. And Michelangelo said that it's important to walk away and to give yourself— and this is a guy who was doing everything, making statues and painting chapels, and his whole life was just being creative. And yet he would say it's very important to take time, long periods of time, sometimes years in order to regroup. And because you're there and you're thinking, and just the fact that you are thinking about these things and that they are a part of your consciousness, and that, you know, that, that, you know, some great— Mr. Holland's Opus, did you see that film? Uh, have you seen that? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I mean, there's— that might be inside of you and you might be composing it, but you won't let yourself compose it because you're so busy telling yourself that you should be doing something else, you know. Instead of just allowing, sweetheart, just allowing, just let it be. Give yourself permission to, and then, you know, whatever creative thing that you're going to do, it'll come through you when you clear your mind of all of this fuzzy thinking which says that you have to do it a certain way or that you're not being noble enough because you've got this talent and you're not teaching somebody else about it. It's enough for you to think about it and to just allow it to come through. I think you're going to do something musically very brilliant as soon as you get yourself free of that.

Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. Finding—

besides that, do you give lessons? Do you do— do you—

no, no, because I do— I've done that so much. And remember, there's this burnout factor, and that burnout factor has really played a big role in this. I almost feel like— and of course, I think it was post-traumatic stress as well after that hurricane. I just really couldn't even do it anymore. My nerves were so fried. And I have this sense where where I know I can teach in this one area and I know I can teach— if I tell one more person to cross the thumb under at E when you're playing a C major scale, I think I'll go out of my mind. I need something else.

I think what you need— I'm telling you— what is your first name? I missed your first name.

Janice.

Janice, I think you're a composer. I think you're going to write something very, very beautiful. Let it come to you, sweetheart. Let it come to you. You're not letting it come to you. And here you are, you're talking about post-traumatic stress. You're talking about the anxiety, the, you know, the, all of the stuff that was going on when you were teaching and when you were back in New Orleans and when you were doing all of that in the hurricane. You know, and you're saying now what you're telling yourself is that I should be going back to that place where I had all of that stress instead of saying I'm stress-free now.

That's true.

Yeah, so here I am. What, you know, and it's like I have people, you know, I just had an offer to do a national television show of my own, like a Dr. Phil show and all of that. Yeah. But they want me to move to California and to put on a suit and to be in a studio every day. And I wake up and put on a bathing suit and the first thing I do is I swim for 2 hours in the ocean. And they say, well, you know, eventually you'll be able to do what you want. I say, well, hell, that's what I'm doing now. And I'm able to be productive because I'm more at peace within myself. Be at peace within yourself, dear. Be at peace within yourself. And I see something very creative. And you know, you can teach also by creating your own opus. I think you— I just see you writing or creating something for yourself that is going to help a lot of people.

Yeah, I feel that too. Yeah, I feel that too, and I hope— that's great, that helps me a lot. I'm just going to— that helps.

What do you think? What do you think of those Saints yesterday?

Oh my God, you know, honestly, I don't follow football, but I just happened to be in this Ethiopian restaurant yesterday after this huge snowstorm we had in DC, and I saw it on the TV, and I'm— oh, my heart stopped because you know what happened with the Superdome. And to think that here they won the— I mean, to me, that was a huge, like, the arm of the universe coming out, reaching out to me and saying, look what happened. I mean, you can't—

exactly, that's what I'm talking about. That's why I brought it up. And I just talked to a friend of mine, her name is Jennifer Tucker, she lives in Baton Rouge. She was in New Orleans. I don't know if she's listening right now, but she said she was there. And that, you know, New Orleans used to be the place of high crime. She said all the people that looked like they would be street thugs and all of that there was no violence of any kind. Everybody was cooperating. There wasn't one arrest made. Everybody in the city, you know, it's like early Mardi Gras. And while I was watching that, I thought, if this isn't— if this isn't spirit in action, you know, bringing— bringing to this city after the devastation that they experienced and all of the loss of life and loss of property and so on, to bring it back to the biggest event in America, you know, the Super Bowl, and to not only do it but to have them win, and not only to have them win win, but to have them win the way that they won.

Right.

They kicked an onside kick at the beginning of the third quarter. I mean, there were so many. I know, just like it was like God saying, you know, let's just really show you what— you know, in the Tao there's this wonderful line that says, built into all misfortune is good fortune. Built into all misfortunes.

Yeah, it's so true.

Whatever misfortune you're going through in your life, know that inside of it, if you just allow it to escape shape, you know, instead of going back to— and for you, it's like, don't go back to the misfortune. You're already where you want to be. Let yourself— let your creative juices now flow and stop telling yourself that you're supposed to be doing it any other way. Ah, that's so beautiful. I'd love to meet you. Silver Spring is a very beautiful place.

It is. It's so beautiful. It's very diverse. You can get on the bus and you hear like 17 different languages you've never heard before, right? Are you Married? No, no, I'm not married. That's, that's a question for another call, I suppose.

Okay, I just wondered if you had children. You just sound like such a sweet, wonderful lady.

Oh, I've had many children in my life. I've been a teacher all my life, so I've had many children. And that's okay. Great.

Okay, Janice, namaste. Take care. God bless you. Have a wonderful call. It felt so nice to talk to you.

We've got some great calls here, Dr. Dyer. Really good questions.

Okay, let's go.

I'm having a hard time picking which should be a good one. Let's go to Bill in Greenville, North Carolina. On line 2, and thanks for holding, Bill. You're on with Dr. Dyer.

Dr. Dyer, I listened to you for years. I first heard you in a co-banker conference. I can't even remember where it was, but it was probably in the '80s, and I was fairly— I remember that was the 19th century. It was a different century.

I got you.

I went through— I've been through the warrior stage and the athlete stage and I guess I've listened to a lot of your stuff. I was in Tampa not too long ago, and so I'm pretty much up to date and enjoyed that immensely. I guess, you know, one of the things that I ended up doing was getting out of the real estate business and selling my business and kind of going on my own, and I think you had an impact on that, and I've been very successful as a result of it.

Of it.

And I think I was out of balance for maybe 20 years and just, you know, focusing on the ego and, and a lot of the things that you talk about. But I'm 60, almost 65 now, so I'm getting into my, I guess, my last stage, which I guess now is your spiritual stage. And I've got—

yeah, I've had something—

married for 40 years. I have grandkids. 5 beautiful grandchildren, and I've got a lot to live for. And I'm pretty passionate about the outdoors, and I can identify with you swimming in the ocean, but I'd probably be more interested in fishing offshore or riding on my farm. But anyway, we both have a lot, lot in common, I think. I do try to do yoga, and I try to, you know, spend time doing and things to take care of my body. But I guess one of my concerns, I've been married for 40 years and I've been pretty passionate about staying, listening to you for the last couple of years. I kind of went through a stage where I wasn't listening. But anyway, my wife, you know, kind of listens piecemeal when we're in the car together and she, you know, is very much into the church and to the Bible and stuff. We get into some pretty diverse conversations and she doesn't like to listen to you and it's kind of caused a problem somewhat with she and I. But anyway, I was listening not too long ago and you mentioned something about that you felt like that you were— I've heard you say you were and you wanted to be in a God-realized stage, but I might have missed some of it, but you told me that you felt like you were entered a stage where you were like God.

And I don't know, that kind of surprised me a little bit, and I'd like for you to speak a little bit about that.

You know what it is, Bill, is trying to figure out, you know, who can answer the question, what is God, or who is God. I mean, yeah, we all, we all have these visions of it. I mean, that one of the more common visions of this is, you know, it's like this old man with a long white beard floating around in heaven, you know, answering our questions and looking at everybody like a God that we've created out of our own visions of, you know, a God that looks like us. Many times, the God that we've created is a God of the ego. It's a God that's into revenge and into withholding things and giving things to some people and not to others, and a God that wants you to, you know, that knows how to heal you but instead is going to let you have cancer, and some people are going to get healed from it and others aren't, and so on. So it's like this whole idea, I mean, I always think of God as that that, you know, that divine energy that, uh, from which all things originate, to which all things return. And, um, and I think that we must be like what we came from. I have a new book coming out in a few weeks called, uh, you know, The Shift: Taking Your Life from Ambition to Meaning. And the first chapter is called From, and I've tried to give my take on what spirit means. What does it really mean to understand this concept of God? And so when you say to yourself, I am God, I am a piece of God, There are many people who believe that that's blasphemous, you know, that God is something external to ourselves. I don't think it's possible for us to be separate from that from which we originated and that to which we return. I think that, and if we are, then we are a piece of God. In fact, we, the highest place within ourselves is what I refer to as God. And some people have a great deal of difficulty with that. And, you know, I wouldn't have arguments with a woman that you've been married to for 40 years about it. I'd let her, I'd let her be right and say, you know, that's a good point. And and just move on with it. And who's to say, you know? And then just, just love her for it. But those are— by those religious memes are the hardest ones for us to overcome. They really are. I mean, we get told these things when we're kids. I mean, just think how strong religion is on the planet today. I mean, somehow young kids between 12 and 18 years old are being recruited all over the Muslim world to blow themselves up and kill as many innocent people as they possibly can. In the name of pleasing God. And they actually believe that, and they wrap bombs around themselves and pull the triggers and blow themselves up because they've come to believe that, you know, this will give me 72 virgins or something, you know, when I die. I mean, religion can do a lot of, you know, just very, very extreme kinds of bizarre things to people, these ideas that we have. For me, I have formulated my ideas about God on the basis of having lived this way and formulating it out of what seems to me to make the most amount of sense. And to me, it's like it's in Corinthians, you know, God is love, you know. And absolutely, I agree with everything you say, you know. And, and I go to church and I believe, you know, that there are a lot of correlations in what you say and what they say in the pulpit.

But, um, you know, it's just a matter of what makes you comfortable.

And also, I wanted to ask you how you helped is, and is everything coming okay? Yeah, it's, um, you know, I've got this leukemia and it's something I don't pay any attention to. I don't worry about it. I've taught people for 3 or 4 decades now about how to deal with things like cancer and life-challenging things, and, and now it's my turn to deal with it. And I'm at peace with it, and I'm, I'm feeling strong and healthy. I've got a pretty hectic schedule coming up this year I'm writing, um, I'm at peace, um, and, um, I have all the confidence in the world that you'll be fine. I really do. Yeah. And but you know what it is, that's, uh, but you know, we're, we all of us are in, you know, everything that materializes dematerializes, you know, that's right out of the words of Jesus. And so I know that my body is in those, you know, it's like it doesn't last forever, but who I am, it's like I got my— the way I look at it, Bill, is like But I've been in a lot of bodies since I showed up here on this planet. I was in a little baby body and a little toddler body and a teenage body. And the I that keeps going into all of these other bodies, it's now in a 69-year-old body. The I is the part that never changes. The body, the rest of the physical world is continuously changing. And that I, that invisible part that is endlessly there, that's what I think God is. That's what I think God is. Anyway, thanks for a great call. Nice to talk to you, my friend.

Thank you.

Thanks, Bill. God bless you, my friend.

And we have time for Sandy. She's been very patient in Victoria, British Columbia, on line 6. And welcome to the show, Sandy. Thanks for calling.

Hello, beautiful, wonderful man.

Oh, hello, beautiful Sandy.

How are you? Very, very well. Thank you so much. It was such an honor for my husband Ty and I to meet you in Maui. It was—

oh my goodness, this is, this is the Sandy that we met. Oh, I love this lady. Wonderful. We just met last week. Just tell them the story.

It was just synchronicity and it was just God in his greatest. Just driving down, you know, we talk about manifesting, my beloved Ty and myself, we came to Kanapali. This is on Maui. Yes, for a couple years now and just hoping that, you know, just wanting to be in your energy and we often joked that we would, you know, pretend to see you in a crowd and we were just driving along the street one day and there you were, and I believe you said that you were taking a walk at a different time and walking a route that you normally didn't walk.

It was the most amazing thing, Sandy. I've got to tell the audience this because I was out walking. I had a hat on. I had a shirt on. I was sort of hiding myself. I was walking a different route than I was, and I was struggling with something internally about someone someone in my life, in a relationship that I've just had some difficulty with this person and I pray for her and I hope that she's doing well and I haven't talked to her in a long time and I was just having these, and I said to myself, however you say it, to God or whatever, this is so true, this just happened like 2 weeks ago, so interesting that you called right now. And I said, God, if you could just give me a sign, just got a sign that you— I don't, you know, I don't do that very often because I just know that there is a— that her spirit is there. But I just— I was— my ego, I guess, was just asking for that. And within 20 seconds, this car stopped and both doors opened. A man got out on the left side, on the driver's side. A woman got out on the right side. And they walked over to me. And it was this lady who I'm talking to now. Her name is Sandy and her husband Ty. And they were married on my birthday. They were very, very big fans. I had just seen— I just stopped to see a wedding along the beach where I was walking before. I was in a wedding place over there. It was all of this wedding kind of stuff. And both of them just walked up to me and I felt like it was two angels. And I told you about coming to the movie theater that we had done and so on, and you'd come over and so on. And it was like, it was within 20 seconds of my saying that I was saying, "Let me have a sign," and here were these two beautiful souls that had just walked up to me, just out of nowhere. It's like, I don't even know how you could possibly have recognized me, because I was literally hiding myself as I was doing it. So, yeah, it was a wonderful, wonderful experience. Did you enjoy going to the movie theater?

You know, it was really magical, and I think because I'm such a big fan and I've read all your books and ask every one of my friends, I quote you daily, I think that often I think I know everything. Thing, you know. My ego says so anyways. But during your movie, I really, really listened, and I got things on a different level than I've ever got them before. I've tried to figure out what to do with it, the next half of my life. And I've had a successful business for many years, but feeling like I need to serve now. I've been asking to serve for, for so many years, and feeling like I've got a gift of helping people get unstuck, but I'm not sure how that—

Well, you did it with me, Sandy. That's the most amazing thing because the answer that I got when I was asking for some guidance, just some kind of a sign, any kind of a sign, and out of the blue on an isolated road, two people pull up and walk up to me. But both of you had such a loving aura about yourselves, both of you did, and it was like the answer for me was, just send this person that you're having this difficult— just send her love, just send her love, you know, because that's what you were sending to me in that moment. It was almost as if God said, here are two angels, here are two beautiful loving souls. You were as kind and sweet and just deliciously beautiful to be around. And I thought, this is what I have to be instead of, uh, wanting it to be a different way, and instead of being upset or being hurt, just love. And it's like It's what Jerry Jampolsky, my old friend Jerry Jampolsky, used to say, that whatever the question, love is the answer. Love is always the answer.

Beautiful.

Yeah. Well, we're going to send you another— I know I invited you up to my place. I gave you a copy. What did I give you? I gave you some calendars and—

Oh, a beautiful calendar that I'm looking at right now and a Daytimer and some Shift movies which are being passed on. So yes, we're doing that. Just filled with your kindness and your love.

And you listened to the CDs I gave you as well, did you? The Spiritual Solution?

Absolutely, and that was a miracle for us because Ty had a bit of an emergency in Maui and we had to go get an emergency CAT scan, and we listened to that and it calmed us. It brought us the peace that we needed on something that was very fearful for myself. So thank you for that gift.

Thank you too. God bless you both. Namaste. Give my best to Ty, and it was great meeting you. And we'll see you again. Hopefully you come back to Maui in October when we do our—

I trust our paths will cross again. I love you.

I love you too.

Bye-bye.

What a great way to wrap up.

Thank you so much, Dr. Dyer. It was such a— I've got— I'm a little teary right now. Just shook me up.

Dr. Dyer, before we get to calls though, I just wanted to share a quick email from one of our listeners that I just thought was really great. She was listening to the show Curriculum of Your Life, and there was a woman talking about her chronic health problems. and your question was, "What if we didn't have the ability to think the thought, 'I am sick,' how would we then feel?" And this question made her think about her son. He was born very premature 25 years ago, and he has some physical and mental challenges. Although he has limited ability to communicate verbally, he can get his basic wants and needs across. And she says she's always marveled at the fact that when he would have anything from the flu to surgeries, he would just happily rest and sleep until he felt better and always recovered quicker than a typical person would. And there was never a complaint. Doctors are not yet sure, she says, what is specifically wrong with him, but he always responds to just rest, and he enjoys music, and that's kind of how he heals himself, and never has the thought, "I am sick." He never acknowledges it or really accepts it. He just kind of goes along and then seems to kind of bring himself back into good health. And she says, "I realize Dr. Dyer helped me with that one question. To see the way my son handles himself is a beautiful example of the gracefulness of a pure soul instead of the sad feeling that he doesn't understand what's going on. He absolutely does understand, and so does Dr. Dyer. So she just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to Hay House and for having her think the thought that he is well. I just thought that was sweet.

That's a wonderful letter, and the concept is really— it's basically the concept behind the book I did a couple years ago called Excuses Be Gone. Yes, which is what I have a paradigm in there, and one of the questions in the paradigm is, you know, what if you couldn't think the thoughts that you have that tell you that you can't do this, or this is impossible, or that you have to be poor, or that you can't get that job, or that you're infirm, or that you're weak, or that you're sick? And so what if you just couldn't think that thought? And it's interesting, I, you know, I've talked before about this, you know, the cleanse that I was on, and I just did another 3 days with my daughter. So Summer, who was here.

Yes, the Master Cleanse.

Yeah, the Master Cleanse. I just went back on it for 3 days just to sort of support her with it. She had taken up smoking at one time and she's getting rid of all of that and really getting herself very, very healthy. And I was noticing whenever I, wherever I go for a walk or anything, you know, I see people walking by a restaurant and they take a great big cheeseburger with bacon on it or something. They go to take a bite of it and this isn't something that I've put in my body probably in 20 years. Ears. But as when you're going through a cleansing process, the whole process becomes mental. And what it makes me realize is that virtually everything in our life is mental. What kinds of thoughts do we think? And I'm watching people put this great big greasy thing into their mouth and taking a bite of it and drinking a great big soda. And you know, they're 50, 60, 70 pounds overweight and so on. And I'm thinking, oh man, that looks so good. And I'm thinking, what a kind of a mental thing is that? And I begin to realize that it's like we become what we think about. And, uh, you know, most of the difficulties that we have— I think about people who out there who are overweight, and I think, what if you couldn't look in a mirror? And what if you couldn't step on a scale? And what if you couldn't think the thought, you know, that I'm overweight, that I'm fat, that I'm unattractive, that I'm lazy, that whatever it is, all the things that are associated with that. And so I think what she was saying there is very, very relevant, is like begin to look at and say to yourself, well, what if I couldn't think these thoughts that I can't make things happen, that I can't manifest things? And the only thought that you could think of— with God, all things are possible, and I am connected to God, I am a piece of God— what if that was the only thing that you could think? And, um, and then begin to challenge yourself and just say, okay, then I'm going to not give myself permission or the right to think thoughts that don't work for me. You know, like she was talking about her son, you know, it's like, uh, what if he He just absolutely could only think, you know, I am well, I am content, I am happy. And that's why, you know, so many people when they go to the hospitals, they go to doctors and so on, and they have all of these tests that are run, and then they look at all of the numbers, and they look at all of the things, and they start to think about all of the things that are going to go wrong with their body. And I tell them, what if you couldn't think those thoughts? What if you could only think that I'm healthy, I'm content, I am peaceful? I am strong. I am God. I am with, you know, I am connected to God. All things are possible. And if that was— had you had been conditioned to only think that way from the time that you were just a child, you know, your whole physical world would change, right? And that really leads me into a little bit about what all of the controversy and all of the discussion about the Supreme Court decision of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roberts, John Roberts, of course, siding with, quote, the liberal wing of the Supreme Court and upholding the individual mandate and the healthcare law that there's been so much fighting over and so on. And I think about, you know, what is all of this controversy about? What is everybody all upset about? Was it that government's going to come in and do this and do that? You know, I'm 72 years old, so I've been on a program that is called Medicare for 7 years now, and I go to whatever doctor I want to go to if I want to go. Nobody comes in and tells me anything that I can do or that I can't do. It's a very simple system, and it's something that we put into place that every civilized country in the world has for every single one of their citizens. Well, we finally have it just for people, you know, over the age of 65 or so on, and also for people who are incapacitated and And it's never been a problem, and everybody supports it. And all of the people in the Republican Party who are opposed to this healthcare, you know, certainly don't want to get rid of Medicare and so on. And then I think about all of the people up there arguing that we're going to repeal this and we're going to reveal— here's the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, is up there saying we have to throw this whole law out and it's socialized medicine. And meantime, he has voted for himself a wonderful package of government-subsidized and taking care of healthcare for himself. And every single person in that Congress has a form of what they call, quote, socialized medicine, which somehow there's something terribly wrong with that word. And all of these people who are voting on whether or not the rest of the country can just be free from the worry— the thing that concerns me the most about this, Diane, is the element of cruelty that is inherent in this argument that we have to the, you know, let's toss this all out and let's all start over again, which really means let's get rid of it, let's never have it again, and let's just say, oh, we got a wonderful healthcare system in this country, except for the 50 or 60 million people who don't have healthcare, who when they find out that they have a brain tumor, or when they have an accident, or when they get some kind of serious debilitating disease where they need continuous coverage, they don't have insurance, they can't get insurance, the hospitals won't take them, and they just basically die and live in this system where they're just so worried and so filled with fear. It just seems to me like an absence of compassion. And I was so impressed with the Supreme Court Justice, with Justice Roberts, coming along and saying this is a signature thing that has happened in this, whether they, under President Obama, I think it has the same kind of magnitude as when the Social Security became something, when the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, the, uh, you know, the Medicare Act, all of these things that, um, are just something that is accepted as if you're born in the United States of America, one of the greatest countries in the world supposedly, you should at least be able to live. Every citizen ought to be able to live free from the worry that the you know, that they can't get the kind of medical attention that they want. And this is the direction that we're moving. And I was watching on Bill Maher's show on Friday night, there was a woman on there who was saying this is, this is only really the very beginning, that we are in an untenable situation. We're in a place where healthcare costs are just going through the roof. They were using the example of somebody on the panel had gone into a hospital and they got their bill and they got a bill for, you know, those little packets of Kleenex. The Kleenex that they give you when you're in the hospital, right?

Like $20 apiece, $28, $28.

They were billed for a little packet of Kleenex. And Bill Maher was saying, where does this go? You can go over to any drugstore and get that for 49 cents. Where does the $27.50 go? It's that the whole thing is just so out of control that bringing it back and having the same thing that we offer for all of our citizens in this country, which is healthcare for everybody over the age of 65. Uh, why not offer it for everybody? Why not just figure out a way, whatever it takes to make this happen, let's just get together and do it? And when the congressmen get together and say we can't do this, when the Republicans particularly say, you know, we're going to throw this thing all out, then say, then if you're so opposed to socialized medicine, then stop taking it yourself. You know, you voted for it for yourself. You gave yourself the best medical care that anyone could ever have, and you voted for it for life, for you, for your family, family, even if you just serve 2 years in Congress, you get lifetime medical insurance and everything taken care of, paid for in this, quote, "socialized" means, you know, by the government.

So why shouldn't the rest of us be offered the same ability to do that? And I've been without insurance before in various jobs and had to try to pray nothing happened. And it really is a— it's a horrible feeling, you know, when you have to go to the drugstore and you have to pay the full price for your prescriptions. You know, You can't get any break.

Or something happens to you like my friend Terry Gordon, who's got a book coming out with Hay House this— this is July now— this month called No Storm Lasts Forever. He's a cardiologist, a brilliant man, a very good friend of mine. It's a wonderful book. I really recommend it. When the book comes out, I want to put Terry on the show. But his son was, you know, just got into a terrible automobile accident and was rendered a quadriplegic, and he's going to need medical care for the rest of his life. Rest of his life. What do we do with people like this? Do we just say, you know, we'll just let them die, or just, you know, we're not going to give them the care that they need? The ability to offer insurance and a worry-free life when it comes to medical expenses and so on is something that ought to just come with being a citizen of the country, whatever it takes to make it all happen. And I just think that they've done such a masterful job job of convincing a whole lot of people that there's something terrible going on here and that the government's going to come in and that there's going to be death panels and all of this stuff, like the Sarah Palins and so on. All of that, you know, we ought to just dismiss all of that and say, look, let's offer complete medical care to everyone in our country and get these medical costs down. The people in Washington are the ones who are going to have to make this happen. And if they say we don't know how to do it, we can't afford it, we say, well, then you manage to figure out a way to do it for yourself. Now go into another room and don't come out until you figure out a way to manage it for everyone else. By the way, for the people who are paying for your insurance.

Exactly. They need to send you up there. Dr. Dyer goes to Washington.

If I went to Washington, I would just say to all of them, all right, this is the room. You're all going in there and you're going— you figure it out, whatever it is that you did in there to figure out how to give yourselves complete medical care for life and your family. Families, you don't come out of that room until you've figured out how to make this happen for everybody else, particularly because those are the people who are paying the bills for the health insurance that you've given yourself.

Exactly, exactly.

I agree.

Very interesting. It was definitely the topic all weekend. I was at a party, everybody was talking about it. So people are very passionately discussing this whole thing. Brings up a lot of feelings.

There's so many There's so much mythology around all of this. There's, there's so many rumors about it and all of that. And basically it just gets down to a political gambit. That's what it really is. One party doesn't want the other party to be in power, so they're doing everything that they can. And nobody could, you know, people, as I say, they've come to— I've heard it said over and over again that the main focus of the Republican Party now in Washington is to make sure that the president does not get reelected. Elected. That ought not to be the main focus of the, of the people who have been elected to Congress. The main focus ought to be how can we govern and provide the services for our people, not how can we just stop somebody from becoming president. It's, you know, it's very frustrating. They just cited the U.S. Attorney General Holder for contempt of Congress over this gun thing down in Mexico. And I said, I think the whole country is in contempt of Congress. I'm certainly one of them that is. That's my— that's, that's my rant for today.

Dr. Dyer's soap Right. Very good. Well, we've got some time to grab calls here, and did you want to start in Toronto where you just were?

Yeah, I was just there. Let's see who's there.

Let's go there. Catherine on line 1, and we will start with her. And Catherine, welcome to the show. You're on with Dr. Dyer.

Hello, Diane. Hello. Hi, Dyer. How are you?

Hi, Catherine.

Speaking to you today is a wish fulfilled, so thank you. I really appreciate it.

Were you in the audience last week?

I was. I found it very humorous and very moving, so thank you for that.

Oh, good. You got a few laughs?

Yes, yes.

You saw my brother up there. What did you think of that?

I got a chance to shake his hand.

Did you?

I just wanted to tell him how perfect and enough it was. In terms of what he spoke, because he almost started to go to an apologetic place. And I just wanted him to know that it was very moving.

Yeah, that's— let me just say one minute here before we get into Catherine, your call, is that my brother David has just written a book called From Darkness to Light, and he tells the story. I mean, he was an alcoholic for over 50 years. He was very, very reserved and shy. He won the Bronze Star for bravery in Vietnam and two tours of duty there. There. He was basically an atheist and a very withdrawn person, and he got Parkinson's disease when he was 68 years old. That was like 4 years ago, and everything in his life changed. The Parkinson's disease, when you— what you would think of it, this is supposedly a diagnosis of an incurable disease, and it's just going to get progressively worse and so on. And it turned everything around in his life. He found God. He stopped drinking. He stopped smoking. He started writing. He's now written a book and telling a bit about his story and the relationship that he's had with me. And I had him on stage there in Toronto, and it was really, really a very, very beautiful moment. And he has just been— he's just been flying. He's been in the clouds. He can't even believe— people— he said, people were coming up to me and they just wanted— they just wanted me to hug them. They told me that I was inspiration. He said, I can't even believe that. I mean, his whole life changed, and it's It's like so many of the things that come into our life that we think are terrible, and what an awful thing to have Parkinson's disease at the age of 68. It was largely from him being in Vietnam and being exposed to Agent Orange. And it turns out that this storm, this horrible thing that supposedly happened to him in his life, was one of the greatest gifts that he was ever given. He, he found God. He found a way to get over his addictions. He started writing, and he's the happiest guy in the world these days. Days, so, and I had him up there on stage, so that's great. Wonderful.

And he's a sweetheart.

He is. He's a sweet man. Yeah.

And Catherine, what was your question?

Yeah, you mentioned during your talk that, you know, we must be what we can be, and you said obese people are not what they can be, that they don't treat their body with reverence. And then of course Sky went on to talk about the greatest gift is to love yourself, and And I'm a weight loss coach, and what I do is not about nutrition or fitness. It's about teaching conscious weight loss, which is like the intellectual, the emotional, the spiritual clarity that we bring to these things. And it's grounded in unconditional love. So my question for you— the cleansing and the weight loss that you experienced recently, you talked about a greater clarity that that brought to you, and I'm assuming that that's serving your writing now in a big way. How would you articulate this greater clarity for others who just don't know what they're missing? And then the second part of my question is, what's your thought on spiritual leaders who are overweight or obese?

Well, there's such a conflict in this because, you know, and one— out of one side of my mouth I say that you are not your body, and so therefore what you are is formless. You know, I tell people often, you know, the the life inside of you is really God. You know, that your body is, you know, if you, if you weigh your body when you're alive and then instantly you die and life leaves your body and you weigh it, it weighs the same. So that your life, that whatever it is that leaves it, is weightless. It's formless. But we all emerge— on the other side of my mouth I say that our bodies are our temples. These are the things that house our soul. And if these bodies are being deteriorated or they're being poisoned or they're being overfed or they're being misused in some way, not exercised properly, not fed properly, then you don't have any place else to live. You know, God leaves this physical domain, if you will, and you are incarnated here into a physical body so that when you return to optimum health, when you return to perfect health, the place from which you originated— I mean, yesterday I was out walking and, and I saw two people walking towards me, and they both were about maybe 125 pounds overweight, at least. Rolls of fat rolling off of them, hard to walk, you could see over-breath, their faces were flushed red and so on. And both of them were carrying from Subway a soft drink that must have had 32 ounces in it. It must have been a quart of either Coca-Cola or some kind of sugary drink. And I was just watching them as they were walking, barely, you know, having difficulty walking but balancing this bag of food with this great big thing of pure sugar that they were pouring into their bodies. And I was thinking, if you only knew, if you could only sense inside of you that there is a place that is craving for you to just drink pure water, for you to rid yourself of this mental training that you have had that you have to pour this kind of stuff into your body. Body, because we all come from a place of well-being. We come from a place of perfect health. And when you get back to that place of well-being, when you return— you know, as I've quoted T.S. Eliot many times on the show, he said, we shall not cease from exploration, but at the end of all of our exploring will be to return to the place from which we originated and to know it for the first time, to know it. You know, I think he might have been talking about death there, you know, that when we die we'll return to the place. But I've said in Wishes Fulfilled that I believe that we'll, you know, we can experience returning to that place without having to leave our bodies. And when you do return to it, when you begin to, to exercise yourself regularly, when you begin to watch the kind of food that you place into your body, when you begin to drink more water, when you begin to have healthier thoughts thought, there's a new clarity because you're now reconnected to your source. You're more aligned with God than you've ever been before. And this is the clarity that I feel. You're absolutely right. I feel it when I'm writing. I feel it in every moment of my life. We gotta go, Catherine. We got— we're going to get a break here, I just heard. I want to send you a copy of Experiencing the Miraculous. Have you looked at that?

No, I would love to receive it. Thank you.

Yeah, it's, it's from Assisi and Lourdes and Medjugorje. And I hope I answered your question, and I'm not sure if I did, but it's, it's really just about connecting back to source and feeling God in everything you do, and that's perfect health. There's no obesity there.

And we'll go right back to calls. We've got some great people lined up here, so let's go to Cheyenne, Wyoming. There's an interesting place on line 10, and let's check in with Roy.

Hello, Dr. Dyer, it's Roy Rogers again. Hi, Roy, how are you? How's Trigger? Uh, doing okay, trying to stay out of the rain and everything.

It's—

we're getting a little bit of rain right now. We need it over here in this part of the country. You heard about all the wildfires to the south of us? I have. All in Colorado, which have been very dangerous. A lot of prayers going out. They have a dear friend. In fact, our friend Nancy Levin, who works of course for Hay House and has written her own little book of poetry, is in Boulder. And I was speaking to her and she was standing outside of her apartment and she could actually feel the heat of the flames. And I told her just sort of facetiously that I would put an end to that. And that night they got about 30% rain that night. So I took total credit for that. I don't take credit for the fires, but I take credit for the rain. Yeah, yeah, I heard another caller tell you one time that you'd actually helped bring rain or something to him when it was last year, I think, when I first started listening to your show. I think it was one of the first shows I heard.

So yeah, maybe your biography ought to be called The Rainmaker or something like that.

That's interesting because when I was in Bali, I think I've told this story on here, but we were way out in a remote part of the island years ago with my wife and two of my children when they were just little. And we walked into this village and there was a man laying there on the ground looking up at the sky. And this is right on the equator practically. And, and I asked, who is he? What does he do? And they said, he's the rainmaker. He brings rain and he doesn't pray for rain. He prays rain. Greg Braden wrote about that. About that in one of his books. So yeah, anyway, what's on your mind, my friend from Cheyenne? You know, I told the call screener I wanted to ask a question about how it might feel sometimes when you feel maybe when it comes to being inspired and maybe feeling at a point where you're broken, but you kind of answered that question when you were talking to another person. You kind of just gave me just what you said in your last call about just, you know, what you were saying. And so I think I'd like to change it if I might, and it's something else that's kind of bothering me because it's something that you talk about a lot, and I watch your PBS special. Whenever it's on PBS, it's on a lot, and if I happen to be catching it, I'll just listen to the audio just to bring in the positive vibes. But if, you know, you're talking about Anita Moorjani and death, and you've written about this and how, you know, when people die, it seems like they go to this feeling of absolute love and peace and everything like that. Okay, I guess my question might be—

I guess it might just be more of a philosophical one because I kind of think about this too. I know, because if people talk about how great it feels to be dead, because I've never had any experience like that, if it's so great to be on that other side, why then are we here?

Why are— is it a curse then that we're here?

Because, you know, we have all these problems we have to deal with, and wouldn't it just be easier if we just could all just be in peaceful and, and all feeling light and feeling good all the time without having to have this human experience? We could all just be be in the netherworld feeling peaceful and there would be no problems at all.

And sometimes I kind of wish that too, because it's like it'd just be easier that way. Yeah. Well, Roy, I'll tell you, you asked the question that from philosophers from Socrates and Plato to Descartes and, you know, and Jesus and Buddha and everyone else has been addressing, you know, like, what are we doing here? What is our purpose? Purpose and why even show up in the first place. One of Anita's, Anita Moorjani, who's the author of Dying to Be Me, had a near-death experience, and I wrote the foreword to that book, and it's truly one of the most remarkable books that I've ever read in my life. I recommend it to everyone, and I pass it out to a lot of people. I bought several hundred copies myself, and I pass it out to anybody who's dealing with this whole issue of cancer and death and near-death and and so on. And, um, you know, it's, uh, I think it's going to be destined to be a classic. But one of the— she is being interviewed in London and she's asked the question, why were you the lucky one? You know, why were you the one that said— because no one who's ever been at that end stage of cancer that she experienced for over 5 years and was just that close to death has ever come back, let alone come back and be cancer-free and out there walking around talking about it. And she said, she said, I didn't want to go back into my body. And my sister-in-law Marilyn had this experience back in 1971 when she was in a head-on collision and her body was all broken up and her face was all torn apart. All the bones in her face were broken. She had internal bleeding and she was on life support for 17 days in ICU and so on. And she said she didn't want to get back into her body as well. She said she was in such a state of bliss. A place of that you just described, Rory, of just divine bliss and peacefulness and so on. And why would anyone want to get back into their bodies? And Anita's response was— I always loved it when she said, because people ask her, look, my sister had the same thing you had, or my mother had this, or my wife had that, and they died. Why were you the lucky one? And she said, maybe they were the lucky ones and I wasn't the lucky one. Maybe I had, you know, I had a dharma. I had something to come in here into this world and to accomplish. And then when I accomplished it, I can't do it as long as I'm not, you know, it's not back in this body. And she felt, my sister-in-law had 3 children that she felt that she had to get back into her body to take care of. Anita felt that she had a very important message. She wanted to talk to people about being loved, to be in a state of love. But to the question that you are asking, which is why are we here in the first place? Place. It's just the great mystery, Roy. I mean, it's, uh, and just, you have to just live in that mystery. I have no idea. I mean, I've, I've read many books about this, and, you know, and many of the spiritual masters, especially when they speak about, you know, why did God even create this world? That, why, you know, why not just stay in a place of a non-form bliss, you know, period? You know, some of them say that God just want, just got bored, you know, with all of that and just wanted to create, uh, an opportunity to express it in you know, in a physical form as well as in a spiritual form. I don't know the answer to that. I can't even pretend to know the answer to it, but I do know that we're here. You know, we did incarnate. This is the physical body. These things that I'm looking at, I'm looking at trees and the ocean and the grass and the birds and the flowers, you know, in the room that I'm sitting in and so on. And it's real, and yet there's the paradox that it's, you know, that it's not real at all, that it's all illusion, that we're all all, that we're all spirit. So we're going to be here for 100 years or so. The whole thing is just be in a state of grace and peace and love and do the best you can with it. I don't try to make any more out of it than that. What do you think? As I've gotten older, well, since I've been 39, I've just been feeling, I guess, a little bit older. It's kind of like, you know, anytime you have— I feel a little bit— I get a little ache or pain, or I'm thinking, oh God, is this the start of something? You know, or like, you know, it's like that one movie, Solitary Man, where they were middle-aged people in their 40s or 50s or something, and they were saying the best news you can get from a doctor is like, we caught it early. And yesterday I was buying something at the store and this lady asked me if I wanted my senior citizen discount, and I'm only 45. And I'm like, I just— I guess maybe I thought a little bit more about death because it's like, it's not like it's—

I haven't seen it instantly to where, like, a near-death experience and stuff.

And it's like I'm thinking, man, it just seems like it's just a slow, gradual, kind of torturous thing to this point. And I guess that's what's—

why it's been kind of bugging me also.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. The best thing to do with that, Roy, is just turn it around and just, and just say to yourself, you know, God is love and we come from God. God is the source of all things so that we are love. Love, and that so you just love every aspect. It's like I was telling the story of my brother David, you know, standing up there in front of several thousand people in Toronto and, um, and being able to speak when he couldn't before, and being able to say, you know, I love my Parkinson's disease. You know, I've been diagnosed with leukemia. I love this leukemia. It has done so many wonderful things for me, and it has given me an opportunity to serve so many other people who are so terrified and so frightened and scared scared and thinking about dying. It has brought me Anita Moorjani. It brought her into my life, and this person who has now written a book that I think can bring peace and love to a lot of people. And just let the rest of it take care of itself, because when it's time for, you know, life to leave your body, it will. And, uh, and it can't, uh— the part of you that is, that is really real, that is authentic, uh, was never born. It never dies. It's infinite. So So see yourself as an infinite being and just see this is just part of the dance. That's all. Got to go, my friend. Thanks, Roy. God bless you. Yeah, you're very welcome. Let's send you a copy of Experiencing the Miraculous. Leave your address there. It's the wonderful tour that we did to Assisi, Lourdes, and Medjugorje. It's a really beautiful program. Okay, I'll check with you later in the year. Thanks, Roy. Say hi to Trigger and Kemosabe.

That would be funny.

Kemosabe, Nancy. I mean, Nancy.

Nancy.

Diane, we're just talking about Nancy.

Oh, kemosabe. Was that the Lone Ranger? No, that was Tonto.

That's what Tonto always said, kemosabe.

Oh, right. That's my friend, right?

Something like that.

You're not old enough to remember the Lone Ranger.

I remember who he is, definitely.

Yeah.

Well, let's see, where should we go next? How about let's go to Gina in Dalton, Georgia. Gina on line 1. And Gina, thanks for holding. You're on with Dr. Dyer.

Hello.

Hi, Gina. Hi, Dr. Dyer.

It's such an honor to speak with you. Thank you so much for taking my call.

No, you're very welcome. Nice to hear from you.

I have to give you just a little bit of backstory to understand my question more. About 3 years ago, I started going through a bit of a, you know, awakening, or started to go through my own awakening. I've had many life altering experiences from childhood on up into my 30s. I'm 39 now, and, um, I started to assimilate all those problems that I have, and I don't have the victim mentality as much anymore. And I've been able to make use of, you know, find the good in all those situations. And, um, over the past year, I've been feeling really led to, uh, be of service to others, because, you know, for many years friends and close family have been coming to me kind of with their problems anyway. And for the longest time I had the kind of thought, you know, I have all these problems, why does that happen to me? But I guess because it didn't completely take me down, you know, I still had a lot of the victim feelings, you know. And anyway, but to get quicker to my question, my husband and I, we've been together for almost 10 years. And he, you know, has had a lot of situations in his past too that has created kind of, you know, the victimization in him too. So we, in the beginning, we identified with each other on that level. Well, I'm not so much identifying with him in that way anymore. And, you know, it's kind of put a, you know, a lot of space between us since I've been going through all these changes. So, you know, I'm kind of, kind of wondering what might happen with us in the future. I'm just, you know, kind of, we've just been growing further and further apart and I don't see where I'm wanting my life to go to be any different. And I'm not sure, you know, he's ready for me to keep having that change, if that makes any sense. I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.

No, that's okay, Gina. Now let me ask you this question. Are you in love with your husband?

I am. I do. I love him very much.

Mm-hmm.

I love him very much.

And what does that mean to you? What does it mean to love someone very much, to be in love with someone?

I want the best for him.

Mm-hmm.

I want him to be happy. Sorry.

Mm-hmm. That's okay.

But I want to be happy too.

Right. Does your happiness come from being able to to do what you just said, to be able to love him and have him fulfill his own destiny and be all that he can be?

Yes.

Because love doesn't have to mean that you see eye to eye on everything and that you're in agreement. I've often said that our soulmates are often the people who push our buttons and teach us how to be compassionate, how to love the things that, that don't match up to what we, that we would like them to be.

Yes, and I understand that, and I can see how him challenging me for all these years has been, you know, a great help to the changes that I went through. And now, you know, I would really like to be able to help him, you know, with some of his things, but, you know, he doesn't— he's not really interested in what I had to say, so So, you know, it's hard to see him struggle with those things knowing that he doesn't have to.

Yeah, but you know what, it's like all of this sort of happens, Gina. It happens on sort of divine time. I mean, we try to push the river. We try to make— you're moving in a direction. You're probably moving a little bit faster than he is. You're seeing things that he doesn't see. He's probably got different things on his mind altogether. And instead of just allowing that and just staying in a place of, this is who he is, this is how he feels, this is what he did, it's not the same as I am, I'm going off in this direction, and allow yourself to go in different directions and still maintain the love. And ultimately the decision about whether you're going to stay together or not, or whether this will end in a happier marriage, or whether it'll end in a divorce or whatever, those are just the tricks that the mind starts playing. Starts playing on us, like I've got to get this all figured out, I have to have my, my whole life scheduled, and I have to know every detail of what's going to happen. Instead of that, I would just recommend that you just be in a state of just of grace and joy. And if, if he's not in the same place that you are at, you know, honor him for where he is. And don't be in that place where, you know, there's something wrong here. That would constantly tend to do this in our relationships. We're trying to find, you know, find a common ground, and this is, you know, that we both agree on everything. You know, the fact is that you probably agree on very little. And love is really just, you know, a willingness to love, you know, love someone regardless of what they think. You know, Robert Frost said it so beautifully, we love the things we love for what they are.

Well, we have two children too. I have an 8-year-old and a 5-year-old. Autistic son. And the past 5 years, I used to have a career, and after, you know, the economy first officially fell out, I lost my job. And so I became a homemaker because I had a young baby at that point in time. And we started having problems with him early on and later found out that he's autistic. So I've had— but I've tried to make the best use of my time being here and not having, you know, the career and everything. So I've tried to appreciate it and I've had of it, and that's when I began all this. It's been a wonderful journey.

You've got a lot on your plate. I mean, you've got a special needs son who requires a lot of your attention. He probably, ultimately, if you could see him, is probably the greatest teacher who ever came into your life.

Absolutely.

He teaches you about being in the moment and being in a state of grace, and he's a representation of divine love. Love.

Absolutely.

Um, and so it's like instead of looking at him as someone who, uh, is taking up so much of your time and keeping from being able to work the way you used to and so on, see him as this great gift that came into your life. And it's like if you look at him though, and then you look at your husband and you say, well, I could look at him as someone who's not on the same path I'm on, and, uh, he's going in one direction and this is going to lead to terrible things. Or you can just say, I just love him for what he is. And, uh, and I don't have to be with him at every moment, and we don't have to agree on everything or even anything, and I can still be in a state of love because divine love is really a different kind of love. It's a love that, uh, you know, that never changes, and it's a love that never varies, and it's a love that you have for everything and everyone. And, um, and the life inside of you, the life inside of your husband, the life inside of your son and your daughter is really just God. That's all it is. And if you can just stay in that state, just stay in that very peaceful, loving state, and turn the rest of your life and all of the details over to God, over to something greater than yourself, and just be, you know, I don't know, just be in a state of peace and joy. It's, uh, you'd be surprised how quickly it'll all work out for you.

Yes. Well, with my son, you know, when we had first started having problems with him, and, you know, I found out the whole autistic thing, I struggled with it for a very long time. You know, of course didn't want to accept it and all that kind of thing, but then, you know, I started seeing, you know, how much he's taught me and how wonderful he is just like he is. Right?

Absolutely. Yeah. Also become conscious of what you feed him. Read Pam McDonald's diet book, The Perfect Gene Diet.

Yeah, we've already cut back on a lot of different things because of—

Yeah, that's very important because We're finding out that a lot of the stuff that we're eating, I mean, if you go out into the world and look, you see that 1 out of 3 of us now are chronically obese, you know. I mean, and then you see high increases in the number of autistic children, and you're seeing lots of, like, changes, physical changes taking place in our human species, and a lot of it has to do with watching, you know, the kinds of foods that we place in, the kinds of water that we drink, and things like that.

Yeah, we've been working on a lot of that. Yeah, he's about to work on my own self too with my, you know, with my, my weight and stuff. I've always kind of had a weight issue, but in the past 3 years I've been able to take off like 70 pounds, but it took me 3 years to take it off.

70 pounds, that's a whole Backstreet Boy. That's what I Well, good for you, my dear. You know, I don't know if you've— if you know anything about it. You've heard me talk in the last few weeks on the, on the master cleanse.

Yes, I have.

Going through and cleansing your body, you know, getting it back into maximum health. That's what I'm working at right now. I just found out that I called my son who's 25 years old and he's, he's a surfer and he's in great shape and he's, you know, all these things. And I asked him what he weighs and it turns out that I've got my weight down to— it's exactly the same as his. Oh wow. Yeah, and any of us, because it all— and you know, when I think about your call and, and your husband and your, and your son and, and, and you and the obesity thing and all of that, just come from a place of, you know, I am divine love, I am perfect health, I am a, I'm a piece of God, you know, and, and my body I treat it as a temple, my son's body is a temple, my husband's body is a temple, and all I'm going to do is just be in a state of love. And just, just try that. Try it.

It works. I will.

Let me send you— we got to go. I got to get to another call. We— I want to send you a copy of, uh, of Experiencing the Miraculous. It's 4 films in Assisi and Lourdes and Medjugorje. You're going to love this, I promise you.

Thank you so much, Dr. Dyer. I appreciate it so much.

Thank you, sweetheart. God bless you. It's all perfect, dear. It's all perfect.

Thank you.

Namaste.

And we probably have time for one more. We can grab Ellen in New York, and she's been very patient on line 5. We've got about 2 minutes. Oh, we can grab Ellen.

Thanks for your patience. I just wanted to ask you then about the forgiveness that you— the forgiveness work and that what you did with your father. And I'm completing my training to be a body-centered psychotherapist, so we work with the body And so, what I'm— you know, sometimes I've done all this spiritual work and family can still trigger you, and I find myself acting in ways that surprise me. And forgiveness especially, it can really be held in the body. You can feel these emotions, and I think I just wanted to hear from you about that work. You know, sometimes it sounds like you just did it effortlessly with your father, and And if you could just speak a little bit about that, like bringing forgiveness into the body, because it's so important.

Right. I didn't do it effortlessly, but you know what, Ellen? The truth of it is, I don't really believe I did it at all. I'm writing about this right now in this book that's going to be out probably another year or two. It's called I Can See Clearly Now. As I'm going back, looking at all of the things that transpired in my life from the time that I was a young boy living in foster homes homes up until right now, and all the different people and the teachings and the teachings that have come into my life. And I really think that I was just being guided, and I think we're all being guided. We just don't listen to that guidance. You know the old line that's like, when the student is ready, you know, the teachers will appear. The teachers are always there. The teaching is always there. It's whether or not we take a hold of it and grab it and use it. And I, I really think that I was directed to my father's grave in 1974 because I had a dharma. I had something that I came here to do, but I was aware that I had to do this. This was something— this wasn't even a choice for me, that I was going to become a teacher of higher consciousness. And so I was directed to do that. Get quiet, listen, be in peace, and you'll be guided to forgive and to love. Gotta go. I'm sorry. Call back next week. I'd love to talk to you more. See if we can get her on next week.

Welcome Dr. Dyer, it's good to talk to you as always.

Thank you, it's good to be back.

And I wanted to mention your book, you know, We've Been Waiting for the Shift, the book to be coming out, and it also has a companion DVD. I got an advance copy in my hands last week, and we're waiting for it to be released, so you must be excited about that.

Yeah, well, the companion is the movie, which has been out for a while, but the book, the book has not been out. I think the release date It is March 1st, it'll be available in the stores, which is next Monday. Yeah, I just got an advance copy of it. I'm real happy with it. It's got, as I said, it's got 4 chapters in it, from ambition to, and meaning. And it's sort of a capsulized version of what I think happens in our lives when we come into this world. And I try to look at where we came from, and then when we take on this ego and all of the problems that that causes. Causes for us. And then when we start to make the shift ultimately to the something called meaning, where we begin to have ambition, but we have ambition about, about something very different, about living on purpose and so on. It's about finding a divine purpose in our lives, and I feel very good about it. It's a short book, it's 112 pages, but I think there's a lot crammed into it. It's also very interesting for me, I just wanted to share a little bit about this with the audience here today, that And when you get to this place, and I've talked about it many times, about where you surrender and you let go and you start to realize that there is something bigger moving all the pieces around, and all of these things that we call coincidences begin to show up much more frequently in our lives when we start to align ourselves with our natural source, a source of being, when we begin to recognize that we and God are one. And it's happening for me again in my life, and I often share this. I guess you can— maybe I'll share a little bit about this on the Twitter thing as well, and Facebook and all of that. But what is happening is that I am going to begin writing another book. It's— I got to turn it in a year from June, I've been told. So that's June of 2011, which gives me about 15 months to complete this book. And I've kind of known that this, and it's going to be called Wishes Fulfilled. I've talked about some of the concepts here on the show. And when you, when you do surrender and when you let go, when you begin to realize that, uh, you're not the one in charge of all of this, that you just, uh, you know, that I've often said that motivation is when you get a hold of an idea and you take it to where you want it to go, but inspiration is the reverse. Inspiration is when an idea gets a hold of you and it takes you where you were intended to go, where you signed up for before you ever got here. And then when you do, when you get to that place where you really surrender with it, you begin to see things happening. And I'm just noticing things happening in my life. Like, um, I drove all the way over to the other side of the island last week for no apparent reason. I went to watch the second showing of the Wishes Fulfilled thing, but I really didn't need to be there. I just drove over and I wandered into a bookstore, and I'm standing in this bookstore looking through different things, and this great big thick book in there, the completed— all the total work of a man named James Allen, who wrote a book called As a Man Thinketh, that I've quoted in the past. And I've sort of skimmed through it in my life, but this is about a 1,000-page book of all of the works of this man who lived back in the early 1900s, like 1903, 1904. He was writing As a Man Thinketh. And I would look through it, and I thought, this is interesting. I'd put it back because I didn't want to carry it, and I'd put it back again. And finally I just said, well, I guess I came over here to get it. And I picked it up and I found myself this weekend studying it and outlining it and using different ideas for it for the writing that I'm going to do. And I picked up another book called Spontaneous Evolution, Bruce Lipton's book. That's a Hay House book. And both of them are about the power of the mind and taking care of things, not just attracting things into your life, like what you want to get for yourself, but how to, how to really look at all the circumstances of your life and look at your health and look at your relationships relationships and look at it from a perspective of, uh, of how you attract these things into your life through your thought processes. Just sort of on the fringe of what I want to write about. But what I notice is that every single time it's about time for me to write a book, that these kinds of things happen. And then I find myself studying, and then I find myself— and, and I never plan any study time. I never plan to go over and get that James Allen book. I didn't plan to have this, uh, you know, the Bruce Lipton book there. I didn't— all of it is just sort of, uh, what happens when you, when you really surrender and when you really let go and you know that you're connected to a source that will direct things. As it says in the Tao, you're doing nothing, you're just being done. But let yourself be done and stop the interfering process. And I'm sitting there last night taking notes and dropping them and thinking to myself, here I go again, it must be time for me to write a book because this is what I do every single time before I actually start the writing process. It's almost as if the universe starts preparing me, and, and if I surrender to it, I can say to myself, I drove all the way across this island, went all the way over there, not to sit in and see the, uh, the second showing of, of a lecture that I gave, but to pick up this book that is, uh, this James Allen book, which has been just so, uh, written in the language of that, of the early 1900s. Standards, you know, much more not contemporary kind of language that we use, but all of it has the same— it's like, here's James Allen now talking to me from the other side, and I didn't even know why I drove over there. Does that make sense what I'm saying to you?

Absolutely, because you know intuitively that you're going to start that process and things are coming your way to help you do it.

Exactly, and it works both ways. It works in the positive and it also works in the negative. That if you start thinking that you can't do something, then the universe will start providing you with experiences that match up to that as well. So I guess what I'm saying is that when you stay connected and then, and you allow, and you have a knowing that this book is going to be completed— I already have the COVID of it and everything in front of me— then, you know, just relax and just watch and just notice. And, and it's like you, you, you get your ego out of the way and just allow allow it to sort of flow. And here I am back in the same process I've been doing. This is my 35th or 36th book, I've lost count. But virtually since going back 30 years, I can always see these same kinds of things happening for me, uh, the right messages coming along, the right circumstances, the right people showing up, stuff showing up in the mail. I jot it down, I keep a separate file, and before you know it, I'll be over here sitting down and writing every day and, and just allowing allowing it to flow. And there's something in it for everybody listening today. It's like you've got to just stop the interfering process and have more of a trust and start realizing that all those things that you think of as coincidences really are just the universe just sort of aligning in a certain way to help you to fulfill a dharma that you signed up for if you just let it happen.

Anyway, and we get in our own way so much that we stop that natural process from happening. I just wanted to tell you real quick, I quoted Dr. Bruce Lipton this weekend. You mentioned Bruce Lipton. A friend of mine is going back to school to be a dietitian and she's studying biology, and they're teaching the old way. They're not teaching what they're learning in cell biology today, and we had a big discussion about DNA, and I told her, "No, it's the cell membrane. It's the environment that affects things," and she wouldn't believe me.

Yeah, the brain of the cell is not in the nucleus of the cell itself, it's in the membrane. That's one of the things I was reading yesterday.

Right, but it's so interesting how they're still teaching the old way. They don't want— schools don't want to open up to any new ideas with that, you know, and she was fighting me on it.

Well, doctors going through medical school, they don't get any courses even on nutrition, and we know that what what we eat makes a huge impact on the health of our body. We are what we eat, and it's hardly even talked about or even mentioned. So it takes a while for those changes to take place. It is, yeah.

It does.

Fascinating.

Well, we've got people ready to talk to you.

Got people lined up. They are. Well, let's get talking to them. I'll stop talking myself, and everybody who gets through today will get a copy of The Shift, the movie, off to you, and then the book, companion book, will be out in the store stores a week from today.

So we've got about 6 minutes time for a call or two. So let's go to Colleen to start things off, calling from Indianapolis on line 2. And thanks for joining us, Colleen. You're on with Dr. Wayne Dyer.

I'm so honored and excited.

Thank you, thank you. I am too.

I have, um, sorry, go ahead. I was gonna Brody is Brony's phone, so.

Uh-huh. Well, thank you very much. What happened to your Colts? What's going on with those guys?

I don't know. I just think that the consciousness of the country wanted the New Orleans to win.

I agree. There you go. I said that on my radio show last week. I thought that was, yeah. That's nice that someone from Indianapolis can make that kind of a concession. That's great. There were a lot of people pulling for all of those folks who'd been through so much down there in New Orleans.

I know.

What's on your mind today, dear?

Well, um, my whole world blew up in 2009. My marriage to an alcoholic, and everything is up in the air. And I, I stayed 14 years in an abusive relationship trying to live every principle and every spiritual principle I've had, thinking, you know, it would get better. And I wasn't worried about bad karma. And I'm trying— going through the divorce now, and I still worry about karma. And I'm trying to have faith that even though I've been an artist, but you know how that is, and especially in Indiana right now, I'm trying to have faith in God that he will provide and that that, you know, if I follow my bliss, which is my art, that, you know, hopefully I'll be okay. And, um, but, you know, I'm losing my home, my marriage, I don't know about my job. So I just respect you so much and admire you so much. I guess I just— any reassurance from people would help.

Yeah. What is your first name?

A lot of Colleen. And I think a lot of women especially I'm, you know, I'm 50, I'm going to be 57, you know, and I raised kids and, you know, I never had a high-paying career and it's kind of challenging right now to stay in a frame of mind that it'll be okay. But I really feel like this has, you know, put me on the fast track on my spiritual walk and it's— I do your affirmations, I do 3 pages of affirmations, I meditate, I I do everything. So yeah, I get waves of anxiety, I guess.

I can tell that. Yeah, I can hear it. And all throughout the things that you've been saying, you know, it's like, uh, the year 2000, you said the year 2009, everything in my life blew up. And then you started saying you got out of a marriage to an abusive man who was an alcoholic.

I wouldn't think of that as process.

Yeah, yeah. But I wouldn't think of that as my life blew up. I would think of Well, I'm losing a house.

I renovated an 1800 farmhouse. It took me a year and a half. I'm losing it. My— I had in July file, finished the house, next week listed it, next week filed for divorce, next week had to put my dog down unexpectedly, the next week my horse got fatally injured and I had to put him down. So in one month, I just pretty much lost everything. And, um, but I've pulled myself out of it. It. And I'm off.

But can you stop, can you stop and say to yourself that a lot of these things that you've had to do in the, in the last month or two, whatever it is, the dog, the horse, the house, the husband, that this is a cleansing process, that the universe is offering you an opportunity to just sort of clean house and get ready for something that's really phenomenal that's going to, that's going to be coming your way? Getting out of an abusive relationship to an I mean, living for 14 years with an alcoholic man who was abusive on top of that is, you know, it's like you ought to be just like, you know, take a deep breath and say, my God, thank you, God. Thank you for giving me the courage or the ability or the opportunity or the circumstance to be able to move to the next stage of my life, because it's probably been holding you back. And it's like I've often told people, when you get fires in your— and everything just burns up. That's nature's way of just saying, just like it does in the forest, that's nature's way of clearing out the old and giving you an opportunity to really move into the new. But your way of processing all of this, even when you said, I'm an artist, but you know how things are. I don't know how things are for artists. I think that this is just as good a time for artists as any other time in the world. And but if your thoughts are on, I can't make a living doing this, I'm not going to be able to live I live, you know, in the house that I want to live in. In other words, what you want to do is go inside and reconfigure your thought processes and begin to, to understand that all of these thoughts that you have, just in the little bit of time that I've had to talk to you, almost all of it is on what's wrong and what isn't, what shouldn't be, what is hurting, and so on. Make a shift in all of that and just go into a state of gratitude. Go down on your knees and say thank you God.

I do every day. I just want to— that was just my background. I mean, I really do. Well, most days it's just the fear factor. I'm really working on, you know, having fear.

The fear factor is the way that you're processing all of this. Begin to change the way— change the way you look at things. The things you look at change. Stay on the line. We're going to send you a copy of The Shift.

Uh, I've got two for you.

Well, now you'll have three. We'll have you a Send one to someone else. Thank you. God bless you, Colleen. Namaste.

So let's take a few more calls here and go to Jason, and he's been very patient holding in Austin, Texas on line 1. And welcome to the show, Jason. You're on with Dr. Dyer.

Wow, thank you very much for taking my call, Dr. Dyer.

Oh, you're welcome, Jason. You don't have a plane that you're gonna fly into the IRS building or anything there in Austin, do you?

No, no, I'm not a pilot.

It's been kind of crazy.

I used to to work, uh, literally across the parking lot from that building for years.

Is that right?

Yeah. And in fact, when they first broke in for the news coverage, I thought it was the building I worked in that they hit until the smoke cleared a little bit. You could see it wasn't.

Boy, that was some event, wasn't it? Yeah, people, people get pissed off. They, uh, they can do strange things, can't they?

Yeah, I tell you what, everyone knew it was the IRS. Everyone who worked in that building or in that complex knew that he was after the IRS. IRS. And in the beginning, you could tell that the media or whoever was giving the statements out, they didn't really want to say it was the IRS until much later in the day, but we all knew. Yeah. So, oh, and by the way, I just watched before your show started the ABC News clips. Um, I forget how I bumped into it online, but, uh, I, I enjoyed them. They're, they're very good.

Oh, thank you very much. Was that the right website, abcnews.com? Is that— will that get you to I think so.

You know, I think I found it just by, you know, looking at your face.

Mm-hmm.

And it's there pretty easily.

Yeah. Okay. What's on your mind, my friend? And what's your first name? I missed it.

It's Jason.

Jason. Okay.

Yeah, and I'm hoping that you can help me with a little professional dilemma that I have. I've got two really good opportunities that I could pursue. One is basically a company that I've been with for about 6 years, but there's another opportunity out there that looks, looks pretty good. And the company is after me pretty intently. And there's a lot of opportunity on both sides, really. And I'm worried that I'm kind of stuck in fearful thoughts. You know, one of my favorite quotes ever is one that you are credited with, and it's, what you think of me is none of my business. Right? And I can't tell you how many times I've stood in front of a crowd because speaking and training is what I do professionally, and I've said that statement and, you know, told people where it came from and how much it's helped me. And ironically, I think it's stopping me now because in my mind what I'll do is I'll make a decision to take this new opportunity, and it's almost like the moment I decide to move this new direction, I get fearful for are people in this old line of work going to think with all these other companies that I used to work with?

Hmm. Yeah.

Nostalgic for the old way and it goes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth and I'm stuck and I hate it.

Yeah, it's very easy. You can get unstuck right here, Jason. Very simple. I can tell the difference in the tone between the two choices that you make that you have available to you. The one choice that— yeah, I could just, I could just feel something different because I had my eyes closed and I was just trying to picture you based on what level of— and your level of enthusiasm, which is really the God within, isn't it? Entheosiasm, the God within. Your level of, your level of enthusiasm for doing something different, for trying, taking on this new challenge, for being— having them pursuing you rather intently, as you said, the excitement in your voice would go way up when you would mention that. And then when you'd say, but I still have the opportunity, I mean, I can still stay where I am and things are going to work out there, your energy level would go down. It was like, and I've always found in my own life, okay, I'm 69 years old here, and, you know, every single time, you know, that I had to make choices like you're making right now, the weighing of this or that, I always found that the there was something about the mystery, there's something about the excitement of not knowing exactly what it is, but moving in a new place and trying out new things. And I think it's part of our dharma, Jason. I think it's part of what's built into us. This whole idea that you have to get into a career, you get into one job, you stay in that job forever. We have a lot of memes in our culture which encourage people to do exactly— to stay the same, you know, in other words, come into the— get into a particular company, stay with the company for 40 years, retire, get your gold watch, get your benefits, get— you know, and there's all of these things that are sent our way, these encouragers to stay where we are. And then there's the part of us that really likes the mystery, wants to wander into new territory. You know, it's like the two paths. Crossed in the woods, and I took the one least traveled by, and that has made all the difference. That's Robert Frost. That has made all the difference. I would say take the path least traveled by, if you're asking me, based on just a minimal reading of what I'm hearing from you. The idea of— and it sounds like it would be going into a whole new area. It isn't repeating the same kind of field. Is that correct?

Well, actually, it is the same type of field. But it's just kind of a different twist on it. In other words, I would be able to have much more immediate influence on the direction of this enterprise, so to speak.

And you'd be designing it yourself? You'd be on your own doing it?

No, I wouldn't be designing it, but I'd be working with the creator to help. It's very new. New, so I would be able to have my fingerprint on it at a very early stage.

Yeah.

And so it was interesting you heard the energy in my voice because I don't hear it, but I trust you that it's there.

No, it's definitely there. And I can say the same thing about myself. Way, way back in the '70s, when I left a very comfortable position as a teacher and so and so on, to not only take on a new job but to move from Michigan where I lived to go to New York. And everyone said to me, how could you do this? You know, and you can teach right here at the university, plus you can work at the school you've worked at before. You've got tenure, you've got all of this. And it's like, and I kept thinking, but that's, it's New York, you know. And it was like, if I, you know, the song, if I can make it there, I can make it anywhere kind of thing, you know. And nobody I understood that inside of me, but there was something exciting about getting there. And, and then after I was there for 6 or 7 years, there was another calling. And, uh, I, I made tenure there. I was a professor, you know. I had all— everything guaranteed. I had a lifetime job guaranteed for the rest of my life. But there was something about— I had written this book called Erroneous Zones, and, uh, that the, the, the mystery of being on my own and getting out there and trying it and doing it. And as having your imprint on it at the beginning. There's just something very exciting about that. It's part of the creative process. It's like the Tao. It's like living the mystery rather than staying with the familiar.

Right. There's one more part of this that you might find interesting. I can't prove it for this new opportunity, but there's tons of circumstantial evidence that in my own line of work I was actually observing curved to the point where some of the things that I had done professionally show up in this new venture, you know.

So that you've been preparing for this all along without even realizing it. The universe is going to line it up.

Yeah, apparently so. And it's even some of, you know, the quote that you have that, "Change the way you look at things and the things you look at change." That is used as well. And so maybe I don't want to take up the whole hour here, But do you have any thoughts on not letting— see, because my default would be, or my way of thinking would be, well, that's Wayne's stuff, or that came from me, and you need to credit that. And it's not necessarily being credited properly. I don't know, maybe I just talk to the person and get that fixed. Or is that something that's useless to waste energy on?

It is, yes. You summarized it perfectly. It is a waste of your energy, and nobody— credit is, you know, an enlightened person doesn't want credit for anything. You know, it's like we do what we do, we're all on the same team when we're out there serving and making the world a better place. And I need no credit for anything that I've ever said, and most of the things that I've said I've learned from someplace else anyway. Yeah, I think all of that stuff is just, it's the stuff, it's the kind of stuff, and excuses be gone, it's the kind of stuff that we use to keep us back, you know, from trying out new things and from experimenting and, you know, to making you know, to making a new impact in our lives. And, um, and, and it's that, that, that little bit, that fear is really nothing more than thoughts that say, um, I might fail. And if I failed, and if this didn't work, and if I don't make as much money, wouldn't that be— and you fill in the blanks— wouldn't that be terrible? Wouldn't it be awful? Somebody, you know, would disapprove of me, and so on. But when you're a free-thinking person like yourself, and, uh, there's, there's an exciting challenge that's out there. I always have said you never regret what you do, you only regret what you don't do. You will never regret doing this, but you will always regret it if you don't.

Well, I, I hope to meet you in person one day. Don't, don't let anybody ever tell you your work doesn't matter.

Thank you so much. Okay, thank you. And by the way, the other thing I remember most about Austin is that bat bridge. Do they still have that there?

Yeah, the bats are still there.

Are they? There must be 10 million bats inside that one bridge, and when you walk under there— when I'd stay there, I used to speak in Austin every year. Yeah, it's a great city, by the way.

Oh, I love it here. I don't think I'd ever move away. Yeah, when you run under the bridge, the bats kind of stink, but we love it.

Yeah, they do kind of stink. Well, thanks. Thanks. God bless you, Jason. Take care. Enjoy your new profession. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

I will. Thanks.

I'm glad you mentioned to Jason, Dr. Dyer, about about, you know, you'll always regret something you don't do, you know, rather than something that you would— that you do. And that was how I made the decision to move to California, which is a big move for me coming from Florida. And I knew if I, if I didn't do it, that I would regret it. So I was more afraid of what was going to happen if I didn't do it than if I did. And I'm glad I did.

I can remember that same feeling when I left Michigan went to New York to live in New York all by myself, you know, just to go off there and get a house and take up a position as a professor in a university in the largest city in the United States. I knew that there was a lot of risk involved with it and so on, but I also knew that if I didn't do it, I would regret it forever. You know where I learned that? I learned that at my high school reunion, at my 30th high school reunion. I've told this story in the air of, I was dancing with Janice Nelson, who who was the prettiest girl in the school when I was in high school. 30 years later, I'm dancing with her, and I was telling her how I always wanted to go out with her, and I just thought she was so beautiful. I just thought for sure that she would never— always reject me. So I never had the courage to even— I even called her number a couple of times, and she answered, and I hung up the phone because I was too scared to ask her. And she said to me while we were dancing, she said, oh, I always was attracted to you. I really wish you would have called me. I would have loved to have gone out. And I said, oh my God, I can't believe it. You only regret what you do. You'd never— if I would have done it, you'd only regret what you don't do. 30 years later, I'm still full of regret I didn't ask her out when we were in high school.

Oh, there's a good lesson there for sure. The next caller, she's calling from Honolulu, so she could probably swing this. And this— that's what—

she could swim over.

She could swim over.

I'll meet her halfway and we'll swim back together.

And that's what her question is about attraction and manifestation. To bring Maya on, line 6, and welcome to the show.

Thank you for taking my call. Hi, I'm so excited to be able to talk to you.

Aloha.

Aloha. So my question is that I believe in the law of attraction, you know, creating our own reality with, you know, focusing on what we, what we want and visualizing and bringing my energy into alignment and that type of thing. But in the beginning you mentioned that we are not the one that is in charge of life. So I would like to get some help to understand what you're talking about, you know, blending with the Law of Attraction.

Yeah, so that's interesting. When I say we are not, we know that we are actually, but it's that when we talk about ourselves, we're usually speaking about our egos. And, uh, and what we call the false self, uh, the part of us that believes that, uh, that who we are is all the things that we accomplish and all of our reputations and, uh, all of the stuff we accumulate and so on, uh, that becomes our way of identifying ourselves. And we, uh, in the process of, of identifying ourselves as these ego-directed or ego-dominated people, we forget that who we really are is a piece of the divine, a piece of God, a piece of the source. The source is that which allows all things to materialize from the non-being into being, or from spirit into form, however you want to say it. So that when we connect to that higher place within ourselves and we get our ego out of the picture, that's what I'm speaking about. It's when I say we are, you know, that there's something, something that we're all connected connected to, that everything in the universe is connected to, every single person is connected to, that we call— we have many names for it, you know. But the opening line of the Tao Te Ching says, the Tao that can be named is not the Tao. Tao, T-A-O, is another— it's a Chinese word for the great way, but it's just another word for God or soul or spirit or divine mind or whatever. And putting a name on it or a label on on it is almost keeps it from working for ourselves in our lives. When we begin to recognize that fundamental truth that we're not here as human beings having a spiritual experience, but it's the other way around, right? You know, that we're all spiritual beings, infinite spiritual invisible beings. That's who we are, disguised as this body and, and the stuff that we, that we want to attract into our lives. And the problem with so many people in manifestation is that they use word want, which is a word that I used to use a lot too, and I don't any longer because you can't want and have at the same time, right? You know, if you, if you want it, it means you don't have it. If you have it, it means you don't have to want for it, right? So that, um, every time we start putting our focus on what we want, we put our focus on, uh, on what's missing, you know, on something being missing in our life. And when our mind, when our, our true our spirit or whatever is focused on what's missing, then the universe, then we align with a, with a, with what you call it, the law of attraction, whatever you call it. You align with an energy that says, these are the, you know, here's some more stuff that's missing. And because you keep focusing on what's not here, that's why, you know, I speak from the perspective of we do not attract into our life what we want. We attract what we are. It's only when we are aligned with this source— and aligning with source means, uh, it means living from a place of love, it means living from a place of reverence for all of life, it means living from a place of offering and giving, of wanting for someone else more. And that's the focus of my show. I've been doing this show almost 5 years now, and in these 5 years, all of the talks, the questions that I take on the air are about helping people to put their focus on wanting for somebody else more than you want it for yourself. Being in a spirit of giving, of offering, of loving. Trying to think like— as Einstein called it, trying to think like God thinks. And how does God think? God thinks like— if these— I always hold my hands up when I do this and say, if these are the hands of God, what does God do with his hands. All God does with his hands is give and offer and asks nothing back in return. And so manifesting is really not about putting your attention— I think that was a lot of the misinterpretation of The Secret, you know, that somehow if I just put my thoughts and put a wishboard out there and put a new Mercedes on it, that it's going to show up in my driveway. And I think there's sort of a greedy assumption in there that my happiness or what I want is dependent dependent upon stuff arriving in my life. But what I have found is that when I put my attention on just offering and serving and giving and loving and revering life and serving others and getting my focus off of myself, then I'm aligned with source. And when you, you know, when you contemplate like God contemplates, you gain the same power as God, and everything that you need begins to show up for you in almost an automatic way because that's where you're aligned. That's how I started out the show today, knowing that I have a book to write, knowing that I get excited about this, knowing that I have a lot to learn before I sit down to write all of that. And it's like— and then just watching, and then just watching how the right materials show up and the right events show up and the right people show up. And everything just— go ahead, go ahead. No, no, you go ahead. I talked to—

thank you. Is it even necessary to, you know, visualize financial prosperity? Like, you know, the law of attraction Esther and Jerry Hicks. I mean, I love them, their work. And if I focused on appreciation, gratitude, and the well-being and that's going on around me, is it even necessary to visualize financial prosperity?

I don't see— I don't do it that way. I don't do it through the process of visualizing, you know, financial prosperity showing up into my life. My focus is always on I myself I myself am prosperous, and I am content, and I am fulfilled, and I am happy, and I want to offer this. I want to share this with as many people as I possibly can. If I feel that something is missing in my life, or something, you know, that somebody isn't cooperating with me the way I would like them to, things aren't showing up the way I want them to show up, I find that if I take the focus off off of trying to attract that into my life and put it on how can I serve, how may I serve, how can I offer this to someone else, then when I do that, then I'm thinking and I'm acting like God thinks or like spirit thinks or what they call source thinks. And as long as I stay aligned with source, then all of the prosperity or whatever it is that I need will show up for me. That's how it works for me.

All right. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much for sharing.

Thank you. You're very welcome. Stay tuned. Have you seen this? Have you seen The Shift yet?

Not yet.

Well, we're going to send you a copy, so stand by. We're going to get your address and put one in the mail to you today. Okay, thank you. Thanks. God bless you, dear.

Let me go to Samia calling from Toronto, who's been very patient waiting on line 4. And thanks for calling.

Hi, how are you? I'm great today. How are you?

Dr. Dyer, it's so nice to talk to you. I've been inspired by your books for a few years now, and the first one was given to me by a spiritual mentor. It was Real Magic, and it really made a difference in my life. So thank you for everything you do.

You're very welcome, dear.

What's on your mind? My question is basically, I guess, a follow-up to what this caller was asking about. I've been praying for a new job where I can really feel fulfilled and what I do, and it hasn't showed up, and I've been asking and praying for it for a while now. I know part of it is just me feeling like unworthy of it, so if I see a great job posting that I would like to do, I get too scared and think, well, I'm not qualified, or only someone lucky would get that, and I don't deserve something like that. And then at the same time, I wonder why it's not showing up.

Yeah, have you ever thought in terms of a job as being something that doesn't show up but is something— it's just a way of offering to the world what it is, whatever great things that you have to offer?

Yeah, I do, and I'm able to do that in certain ways in my current job. Mainly, I feel fulfilled through just my relationships with people and making someone laugh. And smile throughout the day and just making a difference in those little ways in people's lives. But then there's a part of me that really, like you say, to get in touch with your bliss and what inspires you, and I love writing and being creative. And I wish I were able to do that in an environment where I felt it was really making a difference, like a nonprofit as opposed to in the corporation that I work for.

But why not create that? Why not create that space in your life? I mean, instead of— it's like so many people say, I'm praying for a certain kind of a job and I'm waiting for it to show up and it hasn't shown up. I don't know how to think like that. I mean, um, and I guess it's my show, so I should— I can just focus on that. I've never waited for a job to show up. I've always taken whatever it is that I feel that I would like to do, and I've just gone out and done it. And it always turns into a way of making a living. Like, I don't even know if I have a job now. I don't really work for anyone. I write when I feel like it. I speak when I feel like it. I study what I want to study and have done it this way my entire life. I don't think that I've ever applied for a job. Well, I did once.

I think I don't have the faith that you've learned to have.

Yeah, and it's like if writing is something that you want to do, then my suggestion is write. You can process that you would like to have a job but you are not qualified. Why would you add that "I'm not qualified" to the idea that you would like to be able to have the job? And is there any truth to the fact that you are not qualified for any job that is out there?

No.

I mean, if you wanted to become Premier of Canada and someone just came along and said, "Okay, now you are Premier of Canada." Premier of Canada. Would you say I'm not qualified for that, or would you just start digging in and being Premier of Canada? You've got to be in such a place in your— what is your first name?

Simon.

Simon, you've got to be in such a place, dear, that if I were to pick you up right now by helicopter and just come along and just swoop you up right now, right, nothing, and said you can't take anything with you, and I'm going to take and carry you off to— and I'm going to drop you off in the middle of, uh, I don't know, Mongolia, and you know, I'm going to drop you off there. You have to know within you that you could make it in Mongolia, even though you don't know the language, even though you haven't— you don't have any equipment, you don't have any clothes, you don't have any money, you don't have anything. You have to be of such a state of mind that whatever it is that comes my way, I have within me the built-in capacity to handle it. Not only to handle it, but I have all of the qualifications are necessary. And if the qualifications aren't there, I know how to go about making myself qualified instead of all of that kind of stuff about I can't do it and I don't know and I'm not sure and I don't, and I don't deserve it and it's not happening. You know, it's like, it's, if it happens within you and you can create it for yourself, then you can create anything. We're going to get it. We have to go. We're getting off the air. But that's, that's my little, my little speech for you. But leave your address. We're going to send you a copy of The Shift. Have you seen The Shift yet?

No, I haven't.

Oh, you— why haven't you seen The Shift? That's what you need to see. There it is right there.

Okay, I love you.

Thanks, guy.

Thank you.

I love you too. God bless you. Namaste.

And we're getting closer to your goal of the DVDs around the globe. Everyone will be making The Shift.

That's right, 10 million people are going to watch that movie. Let's get out there and watch it. Thank you. God bless you. Thanks, Diane. I'll see you next week. Hi, Summer, how are you?

I'm great, thank you.

And happy New Year to everyone out there listening all over the world.

That's right. You know, it's funny, I've been thinking this year, what are my goals? Where are my goals? And I think for the first few days of the year, I couldn't think of a single thing. And I thought, what's happening? I'm usually so full of these. It was like I had reached this place of complete stillness or emptiness. And only, only in the last couple days have things started to filter in about what I really want to do, and I'm wondering if that's a common feeling that you've been hearing out there right now.

Well, I think a lot of people do that around the calendar time, but I don't go on the— you— I go on the Chinese calendar, so none of this makes any sense. I've never been a real big person on setting a date and then deciding it was that date that you're going to set resolutions and set goals based on a calendar. I think that each and every day Every day is just an opportunity to create for yourself the kind of life that you want at any moment, at any time. You don't have to wait till January or February, and you don't have to wait till, you know, somebody else— so everything aligns and the planets all get proper and so on. All you have to do is go within and decide that this is going to be, you know, your year, your day, your minute, and, and live it from, from that perspective rather than getting focused. Because almost always when you set a date, I noticed it at yoga class January, the first, my yoga instructor said the first 16 or 17 days of January, the classes are really full. They get fuller and fuller and fuller. Then she said by about the 18th, they get a little bit smaller. And then by February, they're right back to where they were before. Everybody has these great and wonderful ideas that they're going to do it at the beginning of the year. I'm going to lose weight. I'm going to make more money. I'm going to fix my relationship. I'm going to, you know, get a new job, whatever it might be. And because it's based upon something external to yourself, like a date of a calendar, under. As soon as your inner sort of motivation begins to wane just a little bit, there goes your— there goes your— all your commitments and all the things that you want to do. I think it's much more significant for me is just to say, okay, I've made a decision. This is what I'm going to do. This is how my life is going to go, and I'm going to just work on it today, just today. And as it says in the Tao, and then change your thoughts, change your life, you know, that, you know, a journey of 1,000 miles begins with just a single step. A building of 100 stories begins with one brick. You know, take the step, uh, build, build the brick, and, uh, and then go on from there, rather than putting it on something outside of ourself. But you know, I'm unusual in that regard. A lot of people do use New Year's as a time to get started on a whole new life and a whole new thing. If that's the way you're doing it, great, stay with it, but try to do it just one day at a time. Yeah, well, I wonder too if we pick goals that we think we should do as opposed to ones that we really want to do, and that's why we lose interest or lose motivation after a while. I used to be very, very big on goals and setting them, and I even wrote about it many, many years ago. But as I've grown in my own way and perhaps become older or whatever it might be, I've realized that goals are very often— they're traps. They are things that keep us someplace else away from here. As a goal is something that I'd like to get to. And I think enlightenment is, I'm enjoying being here in this moment, right here, right now. That's the only goal I have. And if you can take that and realize that that's all you have, that's all there is, is this now. The past is a great big illusion. The future is an illusion. It all takes place in the now, in the present. Learn to live in this moment and be fulfilled and grateful and happy that you're here in this moment, and everything else will take care of itself.

In the now.

In the now. Do the now. Now it's all in. Change your thoughts, change your life. Also want to take this opportunity to invite every— I'm going to be on QVC. Uh, I'm in Maui right now, but I'm going to be on QVC on Tuesday Eastern time, 5 o'clock. Uh, again, uh, 1 o'clock in the morning on Wednesday and 8 o'clock at night on Wednesday of this week. That's tomorrow and the next day. So you do your calculations with your clocks and— but, uh, I'll be on QVC talking talking about Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life, if you want to tune in. And also want to invite everyone to come here in October. Come to Maui. We're going to have a wonderful, wonderful event like we did last year as well. You can look it up on my website. Well, there's a goal worth aspiring to this year. There you go.

Your October Maui trip for your soul. Okay, how about if we start talking with our callers?

They are lined up. Are they lining up?

Probably because they're all feeling motivated, they say, "Okay, I'm finally going to call now that it's the New Year." Okay, why don't we go ahead and start with someone calling all the way from France online too.

Catherine, welcome to our program today.

Hello, I hope you can hear me okay. You seem to be calling from a long way away.

Well, we hear you pretty well so far.

Just be sure to speak right into your phone so it's not too muffled. Go ahead, you're live. Hello there. I'm actually made a major made a life choice to move from London to, uh, the center of France last year in September. Um, I had a great desire to be surrounded by cows and trees and fields and countryside rather than the stress and strain of city life, which wasn't good for me. But nothing really seems to have changed apart from my location. I'm, I'm still finding everything is just pressing down on me, and I'm just under as much pressure over here as I was in London. And I just, I feel really stuck. And I was just, I just, I don't know which way to turn. I want to be living a better, more spiritual life, but I just seem to still be drowning.

I think that you may have left London, um, your body may have left London and the city life and all of the, uh, you know, the fast-paced kind of thing that you were probably used to, uh, for your lifetime. And then you arrive in the idyllic space which is, you know, the cows and the trees and the clouds. And I saw a cartoon one time of a couple just sitting there looking at the sunset, and he's looking at his wife, and both of them are now retired and just looking at the sunset. And he said, if this is what I've been planning for for my entire life, I'd rather go back to doing the work. And I think it relates a little bit to what Summer and I were just, you know, schmoozing about there at the beginning of the show, about being able to be in the moment and be present right here, right now. This is what you have. This is it. This is like— and there'll come a moment when you'll begin to realize that, uh, you know, Voltaire was right. He said, wherever I go, there I am. Wherever I go, there I am. In other words, this has really nothing to do with the location and where you are and who's around you and the circumstances and, and whatever situations you find yourself in. It has to to do with how well you are able to say to yourself, I intend to be a happy, fulfilled person. I'm going to serve, I'm going to reach out, I'm going to help other people, I'm going to get my ego out of this thing and just enjoy where I am and reach out. It's a constant state of reaching out. I think the big thing that struggles— so many people seem to struggle with is this whole ego of theirs, which is like, I'm drowning and things aren't happening for me, and they're not going the way that I want them to, to go. And you get into this constant state of always trying to be someplace else, always looking towards, uh, you know, being in a future moment or in a future place or a quieter place or a nicer place. I'm going through that right now where I am, right here on Maui. I mean, it's like, it's as beautiful a place as there is in the world, but right next door, right outside my window to where I am, they've decided to build a new 12-story another huge complex, and it's pounding and it's beeping, and it's, you know, you know what living next door to a construction site must be like. And it's trucks everywhere and construction workers, and I think to myself, you know what, I'm going to go to the middle of France, is what I was saying the other day. And now I got you, I'm going to the south of France, I'm just going to just, you know, get away from all of this, get away from this noise and all of that. And then I began to realize it's not the noise and it's not the construction workers, it's not these These are just things that are good. This is just the environment that I happen to be in at this particular time, at this moment. And if I can learn to be here and be peaceful wherever I am, then what's going on around me and where I am won't make much of a difference. So what was it that you left London to get to France for, other than the cows?

Um, I actually just wanted to find me again, which seems really silly. My friend my entire life doing for other people, and I will always put off everything for me if there's something for somebody else that needs doing.

Did it ever occur to you— what is your first name?

It's Catherine.

Catherine, did it ever occur to you, just, just let this in for a moment, that everything that you were doing for everybody else all this time for your entire life was you that that is you, that that's— and that's as close to being peaceful and godlike and serene and in harmony with the Tao and, you know, in a space of divine alignment, that this is you, that it's like if you ask yourself, what does it mean to be as aligned with God as I possibly can be, with soul, with spirit, whatever, and you'd realize that it's about serving, it's about giving, it's about offering, it's And so, and in the process of doing that, that your greatest joys in your life were there. And then you, you're trying to escape the very thing that is your essence. And there's so many people out there who probably could benefit from the experiences that you've had of serving and reaching out for others, especially if you've been doing it without resentment. And I suggest that you may have been, you may be feeling a little bit of the resentment now, now that you're a little bit older. Older. But while it was happening, that was probably your greatest joy that you could offer. How can I serve my children, my friends' children, whatever it is, the world, whoever it is that I was serving?

And that's so good, because I've actually kind of always, you know, ever since I've sort of started to try and find this path, I've been kind of saying to myself, I want to be helping people, you know, I want to be making a difference. And actually, all I've done is completely ignore the fact that I'm already doing it. That's another way of looking at it.

Yeah, so now, what I would recommend for you is to find the joy and to find the peace that you experience in that reaching out, in that very reaching out that you're doing and have been doing probably for your entire life. And rather than trying to escape it, just say that wherever I am, I'm going to be in that space of serving and offering and reaching out. Making life better for other people. And that's what makes me feel good. That's who I am. And most of us out there need to learn to be more like you have been your entire life. That's what makes us all feel purposeful and on mission. It's never about what's in it for me, or what can I do for me, or how much am I going to get, or whatever it is. It's always, always about living the virtues, living in a, in a way in which you are serving serving, then I suggest you've been doing that your whole life and keep doing just exactly that. And it doesn't matter where you are. It doesn't matter if you're right next to a construction site or if you're, you know, in the middle of France or if you're in London. It doesn't make any difference. It's like it's within you. You know that it's reaching out and serving and loving is who you are. And take great solace in the fact that you've been able to do that and be that kind of a person for a lifetime.

and I just feel completely full of happiness and gratitude. Thank you very much. It's really sort of flipped my thoughts around. So, thank you. That's what we're doing today.

We're flipping people like pancakes.

We're going to flip you off the lines right now.

Bonjour.

Unfortunately, her line was getting a little hot for us, so we're going to have to move We'll move on and hopefully we'll hear Elizabeth in Chicago a little bit better. Elizabeth, line 1, welcome to our program today. Hello.

Hi, Elizabeth.

Hello. Nice to speak with you.

Likewise.

I love seeing you on the programs on TV. It's been very encouraging. I really appreciate all that you do, and I try to take in mind and use some of the skills that you provide. However, I'm still having trouble with some doubts of my own, and I try to overcome them, but they're like a pebble in the shoe that keeps coming back. I changed my career about 2 years ago, and since then— I did it because I felt I wasn't doing what I was, you know, purposed to do, and it was hurting me, actually, the kind of work I did— not physically, but ultimately, now my health is a problem. Financially, I'm on a tightrope. I have wonderful family and friends that are helping me in the whole process. I'm trying to get some wisdom out of it, and I just am trying to hold on to the positive, you know, good feelings. It's just going on for a while that I'm getting tired.

Yeah. You know what it is? It sounds to me, Elizabeth, like you're just working so hard at it, you know?

Yeah.

So much. I know in my own self, when I look at my own life and when I get anxious, anxious and upset, and then I know it affects my health, you know, because I'm very conscious of any thoughts that I have. I can feel it in my stomach. I can feel, you know, the process of the ability to grow an ulcer if I don't change the kinds of ways that I'm thinking and so on. And when I'm able to get to this place, this beautiful place where I just stop, I stop all the agonizing and the thinking and the processing and the figuring it all out and begin to just move into another place and say, you know what, I don't— I'm not on a financial tightrope at all. I'm, you know, I— what— I'm being taken care of. I'm being provided for. The universe is offering me help in the form of my friends and so on. Where are you located? You're in—

I'm in Chicago, the Midwest.

In Chicago. That's what I thought. Yeah. So tell us, tell us just to re— because a lot of people just tuned in now. You, you, you had, uh, made some decisions to change and now you're feeling it in your, uh, in your health. And what else were you saying?

Yes, health and financially. I'm really feeling a lot of the repercussions of having to change my life. You know, I'm trying to find— I thought I'd found a life purpose, and then now I'm, you know, getting some things that I'm dealing with personally and my issues of health. I've changed my life significantly, even to the way that I'm eating. I'm healing naturally without any medication, which I'm very happy for. I had to do it with not having wheat, no dairy, no soy for certain reasons. That's really helped, but it, you know, I have tried hard like you said earlier. I'm trying, maybe trying too hard. However, these things were so significant and I felt I had such a short time to really make changes that were, you know, good for my health.

What was the health challenge?

It was a process of discovering all this slowly. The first is the thyroid issue, an enlarged thyroid. The doctors wanted to remove it. I wanted to do this naturally first, so I did. I found a really good department in a hospital that is integrative health, and they've been helpful. I, you know, had several approaches, and then going to a naturopath confirmed the fact that I, you know, shouldn't eat wheat for another reason that we've discovered, the autoimmune imbalance. Color. So that was even a little more serious. It was something to really look at, um, you know. So I, I eat foods that don't cause inflammation in my body, so I don't develop any chronic diseases at this point. But right, I feel that the job that I did before was really the cause of it— no melatonin, you know, really.

Yeah.

So now I'm really dealing with the repercussions, but I'm trying to find that place where I get the balance in and finding a job purpose. I feel I'm a professional organizer and now I'm looking for clients that need work. I feel I do it very well.

Okay, let me just react, because we can't stay too long. I think you really summed it up really nice when you said you're a professional organizer, because that's what I kept hearing as you were talking, and we've only talked a few minutes, but that you're sort of organizing your inner world as well almost to a, almost to a point of over-organizing it and over-analyzing it and over-figuring it and over-worrying about it. And I still, I hear the word worry coming out a lot, you know, like anxiety, stress, you know, fear, these kinds of things. And these are all, these are all within your capacity to, um, to remove them almost instantaneously. I mean, the doubt— have you read Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life?

No, I haven't.

Yeah, I would really recommend that you look into it. Just look into it slowly, you know, just because the Tao— it's about the Tao Te Ching, and it's really about teaching you how to relax, how to let go, how to stop figuring, how to stop worrying. Then just take, take the low road, take the, uh, you know, the sweet road, the easy road, the peaceful road. Take the one inside of you where you start, you start telling yourself, you know 'You know what, Elizabeth, you have— I have the capacity to be able to make my body work and balance itself out perfectly. I don't really need to have somebody else constantly looking into me and into my system and constantly analyzing and so on. I have within me the capacity to live a peaceful, divine, easy, stress-free, physically healthy, financially free life. I have that.' Those kinds of affirmations. I just saw a really great movie. I'm also I'm in it.

Oh really?

But it's not because I'm in it. It's— and I really recommend this to you, and I'd like everybody out there to think about it as well. It's called You Can Heal Your Life: The Movie, and it's, it's Louise Hay's movie. It is so perfect for you right now, Elizabeth. I mean, you can get a hold of this by just, you know, transferring your call over to Hay House and have it for you. You can have it tomorrow or the next day in the mail. It's called You Can Heal Your Life: The Movie. Get the expanded edition. I've You've got quite a bit of information in there on there. There's an interview in there with Christiane Northrup. You know who she is, Christiane Northrup, the medical doctor? She's on Oprah quite a bit. You'll really, really want to hear what she has to say in the expanded version. That's an assignment for you, okay?

Okay.

You can heal your life, the movie, and look and go to the second disc and the one that says the interviews and listen to Christiane Northrup and listen to what I have to say in there. And then, uh, them, and you're at peace, and you don't even have to worry about your weight. It's not what you eat, it's what you believe about what you eat. It's not what you eat, it's what you believe about what you eat. So even if you're drinking— if even if you're drinking industrial waste and chewing on an old tire, if you believe it's going to make you healthy, it's going to.

Okay, thank you.

That's how strong the mind is. That's really how strong your mind is.

Luckily, my weight isn't an issue. Yeah, yeah, it's not that.

There's no issues out there. Stop organizing everything. Just let it be and let it— yeah, let it be. You don't have to organize anything. God bless you, my dear.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Namaste.

Uh, thanks, Elizabeth. Well, Dr. Dyer, have you seen the movie?

Uh, have you seen the movie?

Uh, absolutely, yes.

I saw the premiere of it back in October and, um, it was amazing. Just so good. It was just really well done. It makes The Secret look like, you know, just a little cartoon compared to what's in that film.

You know, I think for me the main difference was that Louise's movie really focuses on your inner life, and The Secret for me was more about the outer life. And so that was kind of where it came down to for me. So yeah, it's a great, great movie.

Yeah, and there's so many wonderful positive affirmations. A person like Elizabeth who is organizing, who is worrying, who is thinking about all of these things all the time. Her mind is on go. It's on go all the time. It needs to get on stop.

Now you're talking to me.

It needs to get on peace. It needs to get on ease and trusting. You know, she used the word doubt before. It's just like getting to that place where you trust, where you know that guidance is available to you. And Louise's film is so good in regard to that. Yeah, just because I'm in it doesn't— what the reason I made it so good, you know.

You're a big piece of that movie.

I know you won't say so. Okay, let's take another call if we have time.

Yes, absolutely. I think a lot of people right now, this time of year too, are searching for questions about change. Are they doing it right?

Are they going in the right direction?

We have Brian from New York. Brian, line 9. Now, Brian, you seem familiar to me. Is it just your question that's familiar, or have you spoken with us before? No, I've never spoken to you before. All right, well, something about your question's ringing a bell, so let's, let's be honest. I want to say you have the voice of an angel, Summer. Thank you. You have the mind of a prophet. Thanks, Brahma, for all you do. It's a great, great honor to speak to you. And, uh, you're welcome. You're very welcome. Uh, I'm sort of a slow learner, and I want to look into freelance writing and apply for research grants for a career. But, uh, I was, I was wondering, at 32, how do I know that I'm on my way to achieving my potential? I understand you should be at peace always on its way in all Well, the answer to that question is you never know that.

You never know that because there's— you're not on your way anywhere. You're already here, you know. And that's what your whole life looks like. Truly, that's what your whole life looks like, Brian, is that you're always here. You're always in this moment. All of the 32 years that you've had up until now, all of them were experienced in the now. The next 32 years that you're going to have, or 32 minutes— none of us know what that is, that's all going to experience— not going to be experienced in the future, it's going to be experienced now, in this moment. The height of enlightenment, the highest place you can get to, is to be in that place where in this moment I am feeling a sense of who I am, what I'm doing, why I'm here, rather than I'll know it when I get someplace else. Because that's an illusion that will keep— you know, it'll haunt you for the rest of your life. You'll always be— no matter what it is that you reach, whatever goal that you have for yourself to reach, uh, when you reach it, if your focus, your mind energy is always on getting someplace else, when you do get to that someplace else, you'll just upgrade and then need to have— you'll need more money, you'll need a bigger job, you'll need a better wife, you'll need a more, you know, you'll need a bigger home, you'll need whatever it might be, you'll need more time. It's when you can shift it all back and just— and like everybody out there all across the world, there's hundreds of thousands of you listening right now. It's just like Now it's now, it's here, it's this moment. That's, that's the theme of today's show because it's the first show of the year, and it's not like you're going to find it in October or you're going to find it next Christmas. It's here, it's now, it's here in this moment. And you're never going to have the answer that you've asked the question to. It's like, how will I know? The only thing I can say to you is that if you feel good, if you have the emotion within you that says, this is what I want to be doing right now. And what I want to be doing next year or 2 years from now or 10 years from now, it's like, I'm going to leave that up to the gods. I'm going to leave that up to source, you know. Right.

It reminds me of that caller you, uh, who had unguarded—

who had a guarded heart.

You said you have to be at peace and love everyone who comes into your life, like where life is a stage, and love everyone and be here now. It's sort of the same advice. Best you can.

That exactly it is. It's— and it's all— it's almost all the advice that any of us ever really, really need, because it's the— it's the answer to most of the things that we call stress or anxiety. And that's the upset stomachs, that's the ulcers, that's the worry, that's the insomnia, that's the addictions. All of that is, you know— and then that can go on and on with that list. All of that stuff just revolves around the issue of not knowing how to be able to let go go and let God and allow this, you know, this perfection of this moment wherever you are, whatever city you're in, whatever age you're in, whatever body you're in, whatever the condition of that body. You can do a whole lot to improve it by just being in a state of gratitude and love in this moment with it rather than trying to get someplace else. And so much of our anxiety, so much of the stress that we have in our lives is really about I don't really like where I am right now. I want to— I'm gonna like it better when I get someplace else. And that, if you look at what I just said— I don't like where I am right now, but I'm gonna feel better when I get someplace else— when you do get to that someplace else, your mindset is always, I don't like where I am. And it's the I don't like where I am, I want to get someplace else that you'll take to the new mind, to the new space, and you'll just keep doing that. And that will become the story of your entire life. And, you know, that's basically the message I have for the beginning of this year.

Well, thanks. I look forward to Excuses Be Gone and You Can Heal Your Life. We should all watch it, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, You Can Heal Your Life is wonderful. And check out QVC in the next couple days.

So, all right, thanks again.

Thanks, Brian.

Thanks.

Thank you. God bless you, my friend. It's a privilege to talk to you as well.

Thanks, Brian. How about Rich? You're calling from Sandy, Oregon. Rich, line 4, welcome to our program. Hello. Hi, Rich.

Hi, Rich. You're live. How you doing?

Dr. Wayne Dyer. Dr. Dyer, my God, I can't believe I'm talking to you. It's, uh, it's a real pleasure.

I started listening to you all the way back to Johnny Carson. So you play— oh my goodness, you've been around a while. You're an old fart like I am. Yes, I am.

Some of our listeners are saying, who's Johnny Carson?

Can you put Can you believe that? I can't.

Oh no.

Way before Jay Leno. Oh yeah. My first series with you was The Awakened Life and you planted so many seeds. Oh, well thank you. It's great to talk to you. It's just amazing. I'm sitting here in front of my computer and there's Lao Tzu sitting there looking at me too. Oh my goodness, he's here with me too. That guy goes everywhere. And there's his bull over there in the corner. I thought he just loved me. I didn't know he loved other people. What's going on here?

Well, as you can tell, I've been hanging around for a while.

Yeah.

And studied everything you ever mentioned.

I'm right in the middle of Power Versus Force and I Am I.

It's just amazing.

I used to be able to see auras and manifest.

I can manifest anything I really truly want. I even shape-shifted a couple times until I said—

Really?

Yeah, it was amazing, just amazing. And at the second that my mind went, "Ha!" I came out.

There you go. Boy, do I know that feeling. As soon as the ego gets involved, it's like, "I'm going to show off and show what I can do now." And the minute that you do that, it's like God says, "Oh no, no, no, no, no. I'll be doing this, not you." It was amazing.

And it just flowed and it came and it's like, wow, look at that, I'm a hawk up there.

That was in Southern California. The biggest thing, and I think Dr. Dyer can understand it, I kind of lost my way the last 3 or 4 months and I just cannot get the spark. I don't know where it went or how I lost it. I probably started really working my mind too much or ego too much. I got sober May 23rd, 1988. '88 and been in AA ever since. Wow, good for you. We're almost the same, you know, '87 for me, so that's wonderful. 20 years. Yeah, I go in there and it's like I just hear blah blah blah anymore, and it's like I, I've been told I talk over everybody's head and they don't understand what I'm talking about. But I was— how old are you, Rich?

61.

61? Yeah, you're a kid. Yeah.

Yes, yes, I am. In the spirit of the But I've been able to do so many things with my life, but just getting through to you was something that I knew I was going to do.

It's amazing, even as a little kid I knew that I was something other than. I always had a spiritual feeling even as a little kid.

When I first got sober, I knew there was a God.

I was just mad at him. Are you sponsoring anyone, Rich?

I haven't lately.

That's really neat. I'm on it. Yeah, you need— yeah, you need to do that right away, like today. Yeah, yeah, you need to maybe go to a meeting, or, um, you know, you've been— you've been free, but the reason that you got free and you never went back is because you were, uh, you were designated to— I mean, those of us who get through it, get through that addiction stuff where our life is really, you know, spinning out of control, and then we get it back— the reason that we get it back and that we we don't go back and fail anymore in that area is because we've been designated as teachers, we've been as reachers to reach out to other people, and we lose our spark when our focus goes off of that and onto ourselves and what's in it for me and so on. I'd recommend that you take today, just sometime today, I'd also recommend that you go to— I do this a lot though— I recommend you go to a yoga class. I don't know if you've done yoga ever in your life.

I was an Aikido chief for a time.

Yeah, yeah, that would be really good because it'll get you back into the kind of physical shape where you'll start really feeling this. I do Bikram yoga and recommend it strongly, but whatever it might be, you, you'll start being around the right people, the people who are motivated and driven and so on. And you're a teacher, you're an elder. I mean, you are someone who has been down the road, who has experienced a lot of stuff, who's been a learner, who's been open. I mean, you've told talked about, you know, listening to me back in the '70s, you know, and the early '80s. So you've been on this path for a long time. A while. And it's like the way that elders need to behave, I think, is by practicing reaching out as much as they possibly can, especially in that area, because our country right now, Rick, I mean, it's just filled with people who are desperate for some relief from the addictions. We've got a huge, huge, huge issue, not just with, you know, illegal drugs and alcohol and so on, but with so many of the stuff that's being prescribed in our medical community. I mean, we're in big trouble that way, and we need people like you to reach out and help them. So that would be my advice to you today.

I truly feel that.

Last week I've been having a japa meditation.

I've been having trouble with that. I keep flipping into the ego, and I can pray okay.

Yeah, because it's because, you know what it is? You're thinking too much about yourself. Well, and instead of asking the question, what can I do and why have I lost my spark, I would recommend you do this. Just say, how may I serve? You know, what can I do for you? I'd also recommend the book that I did to the caller before, the new movie. Have you seen Louise's movie, You Can Heal Your—

I've seen it a couple, three times. In fact, they gave me a discount. Oh yeah.

Oh, that's great.

Yeah.

That's really great to hear. Yeah.

Oh, I love it.

Did you like it? Did you like the film?

Great. It's great.

It's great.

Uh, Marianne Williamson, oh, just—

she's outrageous. My daughter sent me one of her CDs. Yeah, she's beautiful. I talked to her yesterday. She's got a brand new book out too with Hay House. It just came out about midlife miracles. Really well written. Very, very, very, very nice job. She's amazing. You're amazing. Yes. Well, thank you. And so are you, my friend. Uh, so get out there. You're just a 61-year-old kid. Get out there and make something happen for somebody, especially somebody somebody who needs you. I, I would recommend you sponsor somebody. Okay. Yeah, you may have forgotten about how important that is.

I— it is, it is important. I speak for the Guide Dogs for the Blind in Oregon and— yeah, getting some foster kids.

And, and that's one of the things I ask all day long: how may I serve?

And these things come to me. It's just—

yeah, recently I just, I spun out and just— and the next thing I really want to do is be a coach, a life coach. There you go. So I would, I would spin out right now, this afternoon, try to find the— find it— find an AA meeting that's closest you. Oh, I can place them 3 times a week, 4 times. Do you? Yeah. And then just find someone that really needs, you know, is wavering, is someone, someone's on the edge. And I think it's a man, um, I think he's in his 20s and he's wavering and he's like, and he's, he's just like waiting for you. I'm telling you, he's out there. You'll, you'll see him. You'll meet him today.

I'll find him.

You'll meet him today. I think his name might be Greg or Craig or something like that. Just be open to it, okay? Well, I will, I will. Okay, my My friend, it's been a pleasure. Namaste. God bless you.

Thanks so much, Rich.

Thanks. Great call. Yeah, you just— he said you just sound like Craig, Rich. I don't know if you can still hear me, but you just sound like someone that's just, uh, that other people like to be around. I certainly enjoy talking to you very much. Okay, let's take one more call. Yeah, maybe two.

We'll see what we end up with here. Yep.

All right, how about Darlene now, calling from New York on line 6?

Darlene, welcome to the Hi, thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. Sure.

Hi, Darlene, how are you?

Hi, I'm terrific, thank you.

Thank you.

I just want to tell you, I had to laugh when you were talking in the beginning of the show about finding peace because you have the construction next door.

Yes, right.

You have been so spoiled living in New York City.

If that— I was going to say, if that's my best guess. Biggest problem. I got, I got a pretty easy life, don't I?

Yeah, wow, I'm glad you could get over that, you know.

I know that didn't— anybody in New York, I'm not going to get a lot of sympathy, I know that. But it is a big pain in the rear end to listen. Here it is.

Hey, cut that out! I think that's a problem on the website here. I completely get it. It is a pain, but, um, no, I really want to thank you. I mean, I've been able to find the peace. I mean, I think what your other caller about trying too hard, and that was my last year, I think, you know, like, I'm going, I'm going, you know, I'm doing all these things, like, like, come on, you know, let me see the results. But I did relax, and now things have been working really well. I've changed careers and And I was running— I was doing a lot with 9/11, and I've put that aside now and helping families and things. But it's now— it's like it's moving in my direction, and people are willing to help me. And it's just— it's just been absolutely wonderful and amazing last part, end of the year, and now. And I mean, I do your meditations and I follow, and I just want to thank you so much because—

oh, you're so welcome. You're helping a lot of people right now by just coming out with the words that you're coming out with. Because don't you think, Darlene, that everything is sort of like cyclical? I mean, I mean, that's what Lao Tzu says in the Tao and all of that, is it's in cycles. And that, you know, when you're in a down cycle, you know, when things— that then that's been several of the calls today, you know, things were going well and now I can't find the spark, or now I can't. But you have— if you recollect about cycles, that even nature— Lao Tzu says that even nature cannot produce a storm that lasts forever. It's not possible. Even if it lasts for hundred thousand years, it's still built into the storm. And the storms of your life and the difficulties and the struggles and the low points of your life, built into that is the peace. It's like the hurricane, you know, that the eye of the, you know, at the very center of the hurricane, there's this peaceful, you know, almost quiet, you know, divine place in there. And if you can just know that and just begin, you can begin to access, you can pull it right out of the morass that you're in, out of the lowness that you're in, out of the absence of sparks that you're in. That's where you can find it, right by going right into it and facing it and looking at it and say, okay, so why, you know, why have I attracted things not working out for me now? And why— what's going on here with my not meeting the right people? And what's going on with the finances? And you just turn it around and you look at it right in the eye and you face it and you realize is that inside of that absence of peace, you'll find that peace. Inside of that stress is joy and comfort. And then extract it from the, the difficulty part, the time that it's— but don't be telling yourself that it shouldn't be happening this way. It's exactly happening the way it's supposed to. Well, if there's any lesson I've learned in these 67 years, it is that there is a purpose to every single thing that's going on in my life. There's some kind of an intelligence intelligence behind these things that are negatives and that it seems so difficult and seems so hard for us to handle.

So yeah, you're absolutely right, because when you look back, you'll learn— you see all the lessons that you've learned and why, why you were in those situations. And like, I just— I don't think if I— those things hadn't happened in the last year, I would be where I am now, you know. I just— I don't know. I think it's just been amazing.

It's, uh, isn't gratitude— isn't— aren't you saying something about being almost being grateful for the— for those lows and Yes.

Yeah, yeah. All the time, like you say, you get out of bed and you say, thank you, my eyes are open.

Yeah, but our first thing, our first inclination when things aren't going well, when things don't work out for us, our first inclination is to be upset about it, to be angry about it, and to wish that it weren't there. And if we could just change that thought around to, this is supposed, you know, I'm supposed to be going through this now. You know, where does it say that everything is supposed to be smooth and easy and the money is just supposed to open when I open the window goes, that's only my kids who get that. You know, nobody else. They just have a thing, you just open the window and the money just pours in. They call themselves great manifestors, you know. Yeah, it works for them. But we do, we have, we have our instant thought is, this shouldn't be happening. Why is this happening to me? How come I don't get this? How come? And instead of saying, thank you for this, this is great, here's another opportunity for me. And it's not like you're blowing smoke or you're just pretending. You're really in that kind of a state where you say, whatever you have for me, whatever's coming this way, I'll handle it, I'll take care of that, it'll help, you know. And out of it, I will make something. Something good will come from it. I just trust that way. I don't believe that the world is a negative place. It's a place that supports when I have my thoughts aligned with that.

Yeah, because when you're— when you— yeah, because when the positive times are, you don't say, why is this happening? You just grow.

Oh no. Yeah.

And so, and you're— and I really— I— you're dropping the past is great, you know.

Yeah. But what you just said is really important. Go ahead.

I was just gonna say, and then like, you know, I learned from that, I moved on, that was then, this is now. And like, and it just— it takes away so much stress, you know. I just— yeah, it's just absolutely amazing. And not being able to predict the future, but being— knowing that that, you know, you'll be able to do whatever comes along.

Yeah, whatever comes along, I'm prepared to handle it. The universe is never going to give me any more than I can handle. It's absolutely— there's an absolute awareness of that. But the reverse of this is true as well, that when things are going really well and everything seems to be showing up on time and the manifesting is taking place and so on, that it's still a cyclical nature, the universe, that you're in. And it's still that built into those really good times, into the highest point. Like, if you're at the highest point, and let's just say it's a mountain, and you're at the very, very top of the mountain, and oh my God, this is as good as it gets, and you look around, you say, Jesus, there's only one direction I can go from here. The mountain goes down too, so I'm going back down into the valley. But when I'm in the valley— yeah, but instead of that being some horrible thing, that's like, you can just say to yourself, whatever comes along, I can handle it. If I'm in I'll head for the valley and I'm still going to be at peace on my way to the valley and out of the valley as well. And that's the way you deal with it rather than expecting—

Yeah, you roll with it, right?

You do exactly. You roll with it. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I'm learning that. It's really good. And so thank you so much. You know, I really—

Is there really construction noise in New York City though? I didn't think there was any noise.

Yeah.

Well, even in the middle of Central Park. It's a peaceful, quiet place. No horns honking. Everybody's peaceful. Everybody loves everybody.

I do find though, it's like when I'm in that better place that things are— people are different to me. You know, things are— you know, you do have that connection with people even though it is New York.

New York is great.

Yeah, I love it too.

Thank you, sweetheart. God bless you, darling. You're a beautiful soul.

Thanks, Darlene. All right, and that wraps up our program today. Thank you, Dr. Dyer.

You're welcome. We bless you. Talk to you next week. Absolutely.

See you next week.

Dr. Dyer, how are you doing?

I'm doing great, thank you. How are you doing, Diane?

Very good. I must say, you sound a little more energetic and, you know, and up today, so that's great to hear.

Well, I had surgery, what they call, you know, psychic surgery or spiritual surgery. From this divine being who resides down in Abadânia in southern Brazil. His name is John of God. Oprah, you know, did a whole show on him, and some luminaries have gone down there. And I had a dear friend, her name is Reina Piskova. She's a medical doctor. She's an eye surgeon in Madeira, California. And she really wanted me to go down to Brazil there with her. She felt compelled. She has some kind of a connection. She's from Bulgaria, and, um, originally, and she's American now, has two daughters and lives there in California and is a prominent surgeon. And she's been down there two or three times, and she really wanted me to go, but I didn't for some reason. I know why. I was writing, and I didn't want to leave my writing. But, um, she went down, and, uh, she had photographs taken of me dressed in white with all different herbs that I was to be taking and so on. And he, John of God, I have a picture of him with her, and he had agreed to do the surgery. And I had, as I spoke about last week, I had just a profound experience of my body. Just, she said I had to treat my body as if I had just come out of surgery because I had. And I didn't need to be told much longer because, you know, if you know me and you've heard me talk, I swim every day, I walk every day, I do yoga, I climb stairs, I lift weights. I mean, I try to stay in— yes, the best kind of shape. And I've been doing that for every day of my life since I was in my 20s or early 30s, and that's about 40 years or so. So to not be active— but it didn't make any difference. I couldn't do anything. I slept for something like 36 hours I started to detoxify my body, and all of this happened as a result of that. Then a week later, which was Wednesday, after I had done the show, is what they call removing the sutures. And, um, I had an— just an experience that night in the middle of the night. It took place at midnight. I had this special water that was there. I've taken these special herbs and so on, and I was told that these entities would come and remove the sutures and that I would begin the process of healing. Now I just, you know, there's still, there's a part of me that is just still skeptical about those kinds of things. It's the ego part of me. My spirit says everything is possible with God. All things are possible. This is John of God, and this man lives as God. I mean, he takes no money for anything that he does. He's available for any people that come from anywhere around the world, and people do. Like I say, Oprah did an entire hour show, went down there and nobody has been able to find anything that is incorrect about it. A prominent Harvard surgeon was down there, just couldn't explain what was taking place medically and so on. So that night, last Wednesday night, about 11 o'clock at night, I went to bed and I had just purchased a watch 2 days before, and it was actually quite an expensive watch that my daughter insisted that I get. It's called a Panerai and it has a 10-day power supply on it. That's supposed to be guaranteed to never lose a second. And I'd been wearing it about, oh, 5 or 6 days. And it was, it was just, it was a beautiful watch. And it has this, it's an automatic watch, but it, uh, it has a 10-day power supply on it. When I got up, uh, the next morning after the suture removal, my son and my daughter both looked at me and said, what have you been doing in there? Were you doing drugs or something? Because I had tiny, tiny little pupils in my eyes. My eyes were just all watering. And I looked at a friend of mine called me at 8:25 and she said, so how did it go? You were supposed to get up at 7. I said, well, it's only 5 after 7. And she said, no, no, it's 8:25. I'm at the airport and I'm catching a flight over to Honolulu. I said, no, no, it's 7:05. I'm looking right at my watch. You must have it wrong. And I had lost an hour and 20 minutes during the night. That's what my watch, this brand new, guaranteed, perfect watch, had just lost an hour and 20 minutes, 80 or 81 minutes. And I was just like befuddled by that, that how could that happen? And when I talked to Reina about it, she said the electromagnetic field of these healings and these teachings is so much more powerful than the electromagnetic field in your room. And you had the watch on you, it would have caused it to stop. Again, part of me says I understand that, but they've done a test on the electromagnetic field in Abidanya down there in Brazil, and it's different than any place else in the world. I didn't think again too much about it, although the watch stopping and the way that I looked in the morning when my kids thought that I was, you know, sneaking away in my room doing drugs of some kind. But, and I felt so different. I just felt just so peaceful and so happy. And basically, Diane, I just felt just pure, complete love. I mean, there was nothing that I looked at that wasn't love. I mean, I, I would look at a tree and I I just wanted to embrace it. Every child, when I went for a walk, and it was the first day I had gone for a walk in 8 days because I had been doing nothing but resting, or 7 days. And this is like this overwhelming sense of love that I still feel right up to this moment, but it was very, very powerful at that. So about 2 days later, I reset the watch and it kept perfect time and everything, and I set it on the counter, went for a swim, came back. Again, it lost exactly the same amount of time, an hour and 20 or 21 minutes. Minutes. I did it twice. So I decided I was taking the watch back. Wow. And I went back to the— I went back to the jeweler and they said, well, they've never heard of that. These Panerais are guaranteed. And it's like, we've never— but they exchanged it. I got a different one. And actually, I saved quite a bit of money because it was the one I got was also a Panerai, but it wasn't that 10-day power supply and so on. And I've been wearing this one. And I've also been back to the jeweler each day to see if anything happened to the watch. And it's now keeping perfect time again. But that's— I called Reina Sunday. This is Monday. This was yesterday morning. She went and she has a Mercedes car that she was going up into the mountains with her two daughters. They're looking for a place. And she left me a message and a picture of her clock on her car, and it had lost an hour and 21 minutes on her clock and her Mercedes. And she said, this is a clock that has never lost or gained a moment. So something very intriguing and bizarre had happened there, and I'm still in the process of sort of detoxing and experiencing that. And I'm now doing— I'm writing this book, and all of this is happening while I'm writing it. And I've been talking about, uh, you've— I don't know if you've heard me talk about orbs. Have I talked about them here on the show, about these images that appear in photographs?

No, but I mean, I've seen that. I've experienced—

Hay House has a book called Orbs. It's a fascinating book, and there's, I think, 69 or 70 photos in there. And I didn't even realize this because I had sent a copy of this book to Raina, because for the last, oh, 3 or 4 months, whenever I've spoken in these audiences— when I was in— more than that, since last summer in Australia, I was there in August— people would come up and show me photographs that they had taken of me while I was speaking and these gigantic orbs, and then some of them there'd be 20 of these orbs all around my— in the photograph in some people's cameras. And on a few occasions when I was doing some therapy, there was one woman that was pretty grossly obese, about 350, 400 pounds, and I had put my arms around her and I was looking into her face and explaining and talking to her about how she was going to change this and so on. And there's a huge gigantic orb right in front of me. Then I spoke in Vancouver and people took pictures of myself and myself and my daughter singing this song, Let It Be, and these beautiful big orbs that look like they almost have faces in them have been appearing in photographs. So I've been intrigued by that, and I sent that book down to Reina, and 4 of the pictures that are in that book that I didn't even have any idea of this were from John of God when he was doing surgery down there and at Abadon. And so on. That's again a book that if you're interested in it, and or if you have photographs and if anyone has taken photographs of me speaking and you see these orbs in there, I'd like to see them because I've got about 6 or 7 of them and I'm going to put them in this book because the chapter that I'm writing now, it's the last chapter of the book and it's about opening yourself up to all possibilities and realizing that, you know, there's nothing out there that is impossible. If you know that, it's like it says in the New Testament, with God, all things are possible. God, all things are possible. And of course, that leaves nothing out. And it's just intriguing that this is all coming at a time when I was going to tell 3 stories. One of the stories is the story of the orbs that have been taking place and how they just seem to be surrounding me now when I'm speaking, especially when I'm speaking about this new God consciousness, this new realization that God is within each and every one of us and that we are all pieces of God. The fact, in fact, that we're all and it's who we are. It's not these bodies, it's the spirit that we are. And as I've been speaking about that, suddenly— and these orbs never showed up before— so I was going to tell that story, and I was going to tell the story of going down and John of God and this, like, this invisible healing that is taking place and what has happened in my body, what seems to be happening. And also another woman, her name is Mira Kelly, she's an attorney and she's in New York, and she came to Maui and, um, and did a past life regression with me. And I'm not going to talk about that this week, but perhaps on a future show I'm going to talk about some of the things that happened when I was under and in this almost coma state. And she recorded it, and I have the, uh— and she's another woman from Bulgaria. And also the book that I've been referring to a lot is from a Bulgarian transcendent master named Mikhail Ivanov. So 3 people from Bulgaria, and then I find out, Reina tells me that the word Bulgaria, the original word Bulgars, means not of this world or not of here. So all of that has been taking place.

That is really amazing. That's so interesting. And I like that you said that you're, you know, you were skeptical but you're open. It's so interesting that you're being taught through your experience, you know, like you counsel so many people and And you tell them, you know, with God, all things are possible. And now it's really— things are really happening.

Well, for some reason, I have been assigned the task of taking very complicated things, and in my whole lifetime, in all of my professional writing, and making them available. Like self-actualization, when Maslow explained it to the masses— I mean, to the academics in the world with his Toward a Psychology of Being— it's almost as if he said to me, now you explain it to the cab drivers. He passed away on the very same day that I received my doctorate in on the 17th of June in 1970. And quantum physics, this thing that I know something about but not a lot— I'm not a physicist or that kind of a scientist, but I've been able to make that world of the, of the subatomic world sort of accessible to people. And, and with spirituality in my books, on taking St. Francis's work and making that available. And now with God realization and higher consciousness, it just seems that that it's, uh, that these things like with the watch and with Reina's clock and with, um, these kinds of miracles that are just occurring where there's, uh, and, and Reina keeps saying to me over and over again, stop being surprised, stop being surprised, just accept this. She said, this is real. I've been down there several times. I know I've been with him. I've had surgery myself. And I, my continuous thing is, yes, I, but I need to be surprised because I, for some reason, when I get out there to speak about this and to write about this, I need to be able to overcome the skepticism that so many people are going to have as I speak about these things and how they are impacting my life in such a big way. Not for me and not for this ego, not for my body or whatever, but because these teachings, I think, really need to be promulgated. And that leads me into the— and I've always known that the kinds of experiences that I go through in my life, whether it's with my wife leaving or whether it's with living in an orphanage as a child, whether whether it's with getting leukemia or having heart disease, you know, when I shouldn't be having such a thing because of the lifestyle I lead and so on. And all of these kinds of things have been just almost the grist for the mill of the teaching that I'm here to do and to let the world know for some reason. And it leads me into the thing that I really wanted to speak just a few moments about before we take calls this morning, is that yesterday was really a historical day in American history. And it will go down, the 1st of May, as the day that Osama bin Laden was killed by our troops in, by the Navy SEALs in Pakistan. And when I was watching it, I came, I was writing all day, and then I came in and my daughter and my son, Sans and Serena, are here with me for a few weeks. Serena's writing her own book and Sans is here to be with me. And they were talking about it and they're watching the TV and this celebration was going on and so on. And they said, Dad, you're not, don't look very happy. I said, well, I'm not. I said, this is not a cause for celebration. And I sat them down and I said to them, look, I said, when I wrote the book Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life, and I said, I didn't just write a book about the Tao Te Ching. I lived it for an entire year. I lived each one of those 81 verses, which is the same number of minutes that my clock stopped and which in my past life regression, I was right there with Lao Tzu or as Lao Tzu. This number 81 81 just seems to be cropping up a lot, either 81 or 18, and both of those numbers mean one infinite source. You know, 8 is infinity, 1 or 1-8, one infinite source. But this number 18 in Yiddish, or in Hebrew rather, means life, you know, Chaim. And you'll see that number appearing a lot in spiritual literature. And I said to them, I lived the Tao, I lived each one of those 81 verses, and I took took out the Tao Te Ching and I read to them a little bit of the 31st verse, which I want to share with the audience today, and why I don't consider this a cause for celebration. I understand it, but I think we're challenged spiritually with some of our principles, and there are two of them that I want to speak about here a bit this morning. One is out of the Tao, and in the Tao it says that weapons are the tools of— this is the 31st verse— weapons are the tools of violence. Violence. All decent men detest them. Therefore, followers of the Tao never use them. Arms serve evil. They are the tools of those who oppose wise rule. Use them only as a last resort, for peace and quiet are dearest to the decent man's heart, and to him even a victory is no cause for rejoicing. He who thinks triumph beautiful is one with a will to will, and one with a will to kill shall never prevail upon this world. It is a good sign when man's higher nature comes forward, a bad sign when his lower nature comes forward. With the slaughter of multitudes, we have grief and sorrow. Every victory is a funeral. When you win a war, you celebrate by mourning. By mourning. And that's what I was doing. I was mourning because it shows It shows that we still, as a people, we haven't figured out— Lao Tzu wrote those words 2,500 years ago. He lived in ancient China in the time of the Warring States, and he was just so fed up with people killing each other and raiding villages and all of these kinds of things, which were a big part of that past life regression that Mira Kelley came and did. Did with me. And when you remember when the, when the World Trade Centers went down and 3,000 people were killed, and they showed pictures of people in the Muslim people around the world celebrating, you know, and we were just so outraged that how could anybody be cheering. And what we sometimes forget is that we use that experience, that experience of the World Trade Centers going down, which was a horrible experience, of course it was. I knew people. There was a woman that I dearly loved who was on that plane that flew into the World World Trade Center. But we use that experience as an excuse to go into a country that had nothing to do with it and bomb it and kill over 150,000 innocent people, you know, occupying this country and, and the endless deaths that we— and now we— they look at us on television seeing everybody putting their faces in the mirror and going USA, USA, and celebrating another death. And they think that we are the great Satan, just like we think that they are the great Satan. And, you know, each of us have our own, you know, shame about the kinds of things that we have done. And if you want to see how we got into that war in Iraq, watch a film that I watched the other night called Fair Game with Sean Penn and Naomi Watts. And it tells the story of exactly how we went into that country Knowing, knowing they did not have weapons of mass destruction yet, we still decided to go in there and occupy and fight and drop bombs on villages and kill people after people. As it says so brilliantly in the Tao Te Ching, every victory is a funeral. When you win a war, you celebrate by mourning. And my daughter was saying to me, well, what do you do? I said, well, all of these people that you see celebrating on television and looking into the cameras and, and being so happy, and the interviewers and everybody is just so thrilled with this wonderful victory. I said, they call themselves Christians. And, um, I just put this in my, uh, last chapter, in chapter 9 of my book, which will be out later this year or early next year, called Wishes Fulfilled. It's the words of Jesus, and it's from the book of Luke, Luke 6:32-36. Let me just share this with you. Because when it comes time to practice what Jesus was really saying in the hardest of times, we don't do that. We seek out revenge and we seek out hatred, and we act from that, uh, that place that Lao Tzu called the low people. It is, uh, is one with a will to kill instead of a will to love and forgive. And in this passage from Luke, Jesus says, if you love those who love you, What virtue lies in that? Even the morally weak love those who love them. And if you are good to those who are good to you, what virtue lies in that? Even the morally weak do that. Love your enemies. Be good to them. Share with them without expecting anything in return. Then your reward will be rich, and you will be sons of the Most High. He is kind to the ungrateful and the Be compassionate like your father. And Lao Tzu, 500 years, 600 years before that, said the man of Tao is kind to the kind and kind to the unkind, because kindness, because kindness is his nature. And that's where we have to go. And that's why I believe these teachings are coming to me and what is happening to me in my life right now. Now, is for me to have kindness as my nature and to be kind not only to the kind and the ones who are nice to me, but to the unkind, to the evil, to the, to the people who see us as the great Satan and we see them as the great Satan. Somehow, ultimately, we as a people, if we're going to survive, have to figure out what Jesus was speaking about, what Lao Tzu was speaking about, and to at least if we take a victory And I am not opposed to them going in and capturing Osama bin Laden, nor am I even opposed to the way that they did it. But the idea that this is a reason for celebration, to me it's a reason for mourning. We have still demonstrated why Lao Tzu left the villages and left the walled city and went off on his oxen to live alone in nature, because he was just saying that war and using weapons is not what people look out to.

No, and we do have to move beyond that eye-for-an-eye mentality. And something you said, I think it was on last week's show, a bad man is a good man's teacher, right? That stuck with me, right, after I heard you say that. And yeah, I was down at the beach yesterday, and there was, you know, people coming up to me, have you heard? And they're high-fiving me. I was like, what?

What?

I didn't know what happened. So I looked on my phone and, you know, and saw the news. And yeah, I mean, it just was kind of ringing a little hollow that there was all this celebration when, you know, what now? Is there going to be more, more killings, you know? Yeah, even with him not being there, you know, right?

And there will be. And, and, and as long as we are doing these kinds of things, it's like, it's like if you understand violence, you know, it's, it's like the dandelions. Remember the dandelions when they used to grow up and all those fuzz balls that were on the top of them?

Sure.

If you go out there with violence and you take— let's say you take the back of your shovel and you just start slapping them and hitting them and hitting them harder and harder and harder, what happens is in the spring you have way, way, way more of the dandelions growing. Because when you use violence, you just promote more of that. But when you gently go through and remove them, you remove that. And that's what we need to do. Okay. I just wanted to say that. So after the break—

A lot going on.

Mm-hmm. Yes.

And we will go to calls. Some great people lined up here waiting to speak with I'm so glad you mentioned what you spoke about today. Very, very powerful. Dr. Dyer, just, you know, listening to what you were saying in the last segment and kind of thinking about that over the break, just, you know, we really are on the cusp or a shift of a major transition. Just everything that's been going on over the past few months and then now this latest thing with Osama bin Laden, it's really an amazing time to be on the planet right now, I think.

It is. There's 6 or 7 billion of us and we're divided just like we are in Congress between the Republicans and the Democrats where we just can't figure out a way to get anything done because all we do is just carpet each other and try to make the other person look bad and make themselves look right. And on the planet, we've got this major divide as well. And we really, if we don't figure it out, in my estimation, if we don't figure it out, then life on on this planet just simply will not be allowed to flourish any longer. It will end. It will be the road— if you've seen The Road, Cormac McCarthy's great book, which was one of the most intriguing things I ever read about what the world would look like after a nuclear holocaust. We must figure this out, that the answer still is in love, not in celebrating other people's demise.

Absolutely. Well, we've got some great callers stacked up here from all over the place. Really interesting calls today. So let's start off in Hong Kong, which seems like an interesting place to go. Anita on line 2.

Oh my goodness, I think I know who this is.

You do?

Is this Anita?

Yes, it is. I couldn't resist calling you.

This is another miracle. This is, this is Anita M., the woman I've talked about on this show show so many times, who's now going to become a Hay House author, who had her near-death experience. I listened to your radio interview there. Oh my goodness, you were sent to me by Mira Kelley, the one I just talked about who did the past life— oh my God, how are you?

I'm very well. I can't believe I'm talking to you. I'm thrilled.

I am, uh, I just love you. And I— what you did on that near-death Death Experience. I am, uh, you're gonna— you're signed with Hay House now, is that right? You're going to become a Hay House author? Yes, yes, I am.

I'm so happy.

I'm, you know, I'm, I'm gonna write the foreword to your book if you would like me to do that. And, um, I would love it. And I want to bring you to America and put you on my public television special so that you can tell the world about what happened when you you had 36 hours to live and were told that you had lymphoma all throughout your body, and you had this experience. Tell my audience— I'm so honored to have you here— tell my audience a little bit about what happened when— with that experience. It just blows me away. I'm just sitting here. This is like a miracle of miracles, even that Diane would take your call. I didn't know you were on the line, Diane. You just picked up. You can't even— you've heard me speak about this.

No. And it's funny, when you that you recognized the caller. I just saw Anita from Hong Kong, and I just thought it would be cool to go to Hong Kong.

That's great.

Anita, I want to— I think I might take the rest of the show with this, or at least another 10 minutes or so. Tell my audience what happened and, and what your experience was. You, you've said it so beautifully in, in what you had wrote about. I can't wait to see your book. I just, I'm so happy about that.

Thank you. I'm really thrilled to speak to you. Well, what happened to me was that I had cancer. I had lymphoma which spread throughout my body, and it spread like from the base of my skull, you know, all over the lymph nodes, all over my neck and my body, under my arms, everywhere, all the way down to my abdomen, were all swollen. In fact, I had tumors. I was told that I had tumors the size of lemons all through my body. And I had cancer for about 3 years and 8 months. It seemed to go up and down in between because I was practicing Ayurveda and then it would get better, but then it would come back, especially I notice now looking back at the pattern that when I used to be really, really fearful, that's when my health would get weaker. But about in the end of 2005, Around December 2005, I went and had a full body scan and the doctor told my husband— they didn't tell me, but the doctor told my husband that I only had about 3 months at best at that time. By that point, my muscles had already deteriorated. I was confined to a wheelchair and I had open skin lesions. And by February 2nd, 2006, I was on oxygen. You know, I had an oxygen tank and I was being cared for at home by a full-time nurse. But on February 2nd, the morning of February 2nd, 2006, I went into a coma. So my husband, he was freaking out and he called a doctor and the doctor said to rush me to the hospital right away. When I got to the hospital, the doctors said that it was over, that it was too late, that these were my final hours and I probably wouldn't come out of the coma at all. And that was when I—

go ahead. No, I, I— you, you speak so eloquently, I don't even want to interfere. You, uh, but you died. I mean, you essentially, um, went into what we call an NDE, but, um, your body just shut down and you were— and while you were in the coma, you were hearing things and seeing things at this time. Tell my audience about this.

Yes, I could hear and see everything that was going on around me because the doctors had told my family that my organs had already shut down and basically I had died. And they said, although my heart was still beating, but I had died, that there was nobody in there. But I was aware of everything that was going on around me, everything that the doctors were saying, everything that they were doing, the needles that they were were poking into me. They were telling my husband that I had fluid in the lungs, and they said that— and then, even though, you know, I was like in a coma, my breathing was quite labored and I was on oxygen, so the doctor even stuck a needle into my back to remove some fluid. And I remember every single thing, and including I became aware of things beyond, beyond my body. I was aware of my brother getting on a plane who was just coming to see me, and I then started to become aware of my father who had passed away 10 years before that. I was aware that he was around me. My best friend who I'd lost to cancer, she was there, and I could sense that they had been around me this whole time while I was ill. And then, I started to understand— I started to understand why I had the cancer, and I started to understand that it wasn't my time, and I had a choice of whether I wanted to come back into my body or to continue into death. At first, I didn't want to come back into my body because my body was just so sick, and it was so amazing on the other side. It was— there are no words to describe it, and I still get a bit tearful when I think about it because there's just no words to describe it. It's like this unconditional love and this— you feel this clarity of like, you know why you're here, what your purpose is, why you've come into this planet. That's how I felt. I felt like I just understood everything, my purpose for this life, why I got the cancer. And then I seemed to understand that if I chose to go back to my body, now that I understood then I wouldn't have the cancer anymore. If I chose to go back and live, the cancer wouldn't be there in my body because now I understood why I even had the cancer.

Yes. You said something about that you realized that not only do we have a physical body, but we have like an energy body or a spiritual body and that the illnesses that show up in our bodies are preceded by these and if we could heal this energy body, body or the spiritual body, if we could heal that, then that would take care of the physical body. And that there was a sense that, um, that you knew that you could do this, and when you returned to your body, that it would no longer have cancer, something to that effect. Is that correct?

Yes, that's exactly correct, because I became fully aware when I was on the other side that the cancer in the body, it's not the body, it's the cancer is actually caused because energetically, we don't realize the amazing magnificence of who we truly are. At least I didn't realize who I truly am. You know, basically, I am a part of God, and we all are. We are all God, but I didn't realize it. I was going through the planet as if I wasn't, as if I was just this physical human being. But, when I realized what I had access to, when I realized the energy, the power that was behind me, I realized that just blocking that and not being aware of that or blocking that off is what can cause your body to manifest all kinds of things. But the awareness of who I truly am, if I am aware of that, then my body will also reflect that.

Do you also think that—

Illness doesn't start at the body.

Go ahead.

Yes, I was just going to say that illness doesn't start at the physical body. it starts at a much deeper level. And that's the only level we need to work with, because if we just work with the physical body, we're only dealing with the symptoms. And the physical body is just sending us signals or messages with these symptoms to tell us that there's something deeper going on that we have to work with.

You said something very profound in that. I mean, that, that thing that you sent me, I've had it copied, oh, maybe 50 times. Each one of my children has it. and I've talked about it on this show, I quoted it in my book. I mean, words that you just used, I've already put directly into the book and quoted you from it. But you said that one of the interviewers asked you about past lives, and you said that it didn't seem like there was any past. Can you talk a little bit about what that was like, that experience of no time? And I think you used the word parallel lives rather than past lives.

Yes, I was brought up to believe in past lives and reincarnation because my parents are Hindu and that's what I was brought up to believe. But when I was in the other realm, and it seemed as though everything was happening simultaneously, I was aware of other lives with my brother and with my husband. And my husband and I are very close, but it didn't seem like past lives. It seemed as though it was happening simultaneously, but it seemed like everything was happening simultaneously. So when I came back into my body and I started to recall and started to talk about it, it was very difficult putting things into sequence because it felt as though when we're on the other side, there's no time or time is not linear. It's like everything is happening at the same time, including what we call past lives. It's as though while we're expressing here through our physical bodies, we put things into linear time with our minds. Our minds need to do that so that we can understand, and it makes things more coherent or manageable for us. Our mind filters things, and we actually process everything one point of time at a time and create linear time. But on the other side, it doesn't feel like that at all. It feels as though everything's happening at once. And even it's as though we are aware of everything that's happening all around us. It's not like you turn your head when you're in your physical body and you look at something and you can focus on something. It's not like that. It's like you're aware of everything that's happening around you at all times and all, all around you.

And what role does love play in this? Did you hear me speak the first half hour of the show? Jo, were you listening?

Yes, and I completely agree with you. Do you know, it's interesting because even when I heard that Osama bin Laden had been killed, I was thinking something very, very similar. I was thinking that the world is rejoicing, but I'm not sure it's something to rejoice about because all we did is perpetuate more killing. And that's what I was thinking.

Really? And you said something like when you came back that the great lesson that you learned learned from this experience, and then we'll talk about your healing, was to treasure your own magnificence and the magnificent— those were your words— to treasure your magnificence and to realize that you are pure, pure love. Did you feel that when you were like experiencing, like the doctors, for example? I remember you saying you could hear the doctors actually talking about, you know, that you weren't going to survive this and all this. You could literally, but you felt You felt love for them rather than disdain or worry or anger or—

Yes, I felt love for everyone, even every single doctor, everybody. I just— somehow it was like I became them. It was like I understood that they were all doing— it's not a feeling, it's like I became one with them and I could feel what they were feeling. They were feeling they had to do something. They were doing what they knew best how to do, and their intention was good. It's like suddenly you can feel everybody's intention— not what they're actually doing, not the end result, but their intention. And I could feel what everyone was feeling, every nurse that came in, everything. I just— everything— when I came out of it, everything just looked so beautiful. It was like I was viewing the world and viewing everybody for the first time.

That's what I've been talking about, and it's happened for me in the last, I don't know, the last 6 months, 8 months or so. There's nothing that I can look at. I can look at the wall and just love the wall. I mean, I can look at a vacuum cleaner and love the vacuum cleaner. It's just such an amazing— Do you know who John of God is? Have you heard of John of God down in Brazil?

I hadn't until you spoke about him. This is the first I've heard of him, and he sounds amazing.

Yes, it's the same kind of thing. How long were you, um, were you in the coma? How long were you, uh, quote, uh, in that NDE or literally dead?

About 20 hours. It was overnight. It was— I went into the hospital one morning on February 2nd and started to come out of it the next morning on February 3rd.

And you had been told that you had— I mean, your husband had been told that you had maybe another day or so at the very at the very most. Is that correct?

At the most, yeah. The doctors said that I wouldn't even make it through the night because my organs had now shut down and this was the final stages. And, um, and it's written in my medical file as well that they've informed the family that this is the end.

Okay, so there were like literally— to use you— there were billions and billions of cancer cells in your body and it was shutting down. All right, and then you and tell us then, you know, in the last 5 minutes or so, what happened after that and what's going on now? Why are you talking to us now? Why are you alive? Well, I know one of the reasons you're alive is because your story is aligned with me. You are so aligned with me. I really feel like I know you. I don't know if you even know who I am or what I had done, any of my work before this.

I do. I'm a fan of yours. It's funny because I do know who you are. I think you're amazing. I was thrilled when I got the email. I feel that, you know, I mean, this is— my purpose was probably to meet you because what happened is that it was my birthday 6 weeks ago, and on my birthday day is when I got the email from Hay House saying that you had pointed them to my story. And when I looked at that email and it said that, you know, if I was to publish a that Hay House wanted to help me, and I looked at the email and I started crying. I couldn't believe it. I'm still thrilled I'm talking to you.

While I was reading that, I thought, this is a story that the world has to know. I predict that you're— you know, it is not about selling books, it's not about that. It's that you are going to be one of the emissaries, like I think I have been selected to, to really show the world that, you know what, I sent your story to my mother. My mother is 95 years old on April 21st, and I sent that to her. And she thinks about death a lot because she's in a place, she's in an assisted living center where she sees people, you know, they're alive one day and they're not the next. And she wonders about it. We talk about it. I sent her that. She has had nothing but peace since she read that. My sister-in-law, who had a similar experience to you in 1971, was in a head-on collision and watched them working on her body. Has just— she just said this confirms everything that, that had happened to her. You have helped so many people just through that, just through me. But what your message is going to be to this world is we have to love each other. And when we do, that's really what it means to live God consciousness. It doesn't mean to recite the right words and go to church on Sunday. It's, it's to live it. So you came back— because our time is going to be running out soon— you came back, uh, you, you awoke, and what happened? What, uh, tell us.

Well, when I came back, I was euphoric because it's like I had this awakening, although I was a bit groggy. And it— for the first couple of days, I didn't— it was like I had one foot on each side. I was getting things confused. I was talking And everyone was really surprised that I even woke up. And when the doctor came in to see me, this was the oncologist that I had never seen before. My own doctor hadn't come in yet. And the doctor came in, this was the one at the hospital who'd never seen me before except when I entered as a coma. And he walked in and I said to him, "Good morning, Dr. Chan." And he said to me, "How do you know my name?" And I said, "Aren't you the one that was there when I entered the hospital?" And he said, "Yes, but you'd been in a coma." And I said, "Are you sure?" Now, I didn't even realize I'd been in a coma because I was so aware of everything that was going on around me. And I said, "But you're the one that put the needle in my back and took the fluid out of my lungs?" And he said, "You remember all that?" He was visibly very, very surprised and, you know— and then he was also surprised that I had come out of the coma. but I was still weak and lying down, and so then when he left the room, I started to say to my family, like, "Why was he so surprised? And he's the one that said to you—" I said to my husband, "He's the one that said to you that these are my last hours, that I'm not going to make it through the night. Isn't he the one that said that?" And my husband said, "How did you even hear that? He didn't even say that in front of you. He said it outside the room." room down the corridor. And I said, really? And so then it all started to come out slowly, and I was still very, very weak, but in about 48 hours or so, they were like removing the oxygen, and then they started to take out the food tube, and I wanted to sit up, and I was feeling really euphoric because— if I describe the feeling specifically, it's deeper than just loving everything. It's realizing that you are Love. And it's— for me, it was like a new realization. I'd never known that before. I used to think that I had to learn to be loving to other people and would always judge myself. Am I loving enough? Am I not loving enough? But being in that experience, what I realized is that I am Love. I cannot not be.

I quoted that, I quoted that in my new book, uh, those, the words that you just said. So, um, 6, in 6 months or so, what happened? I mean, are you— were you cancer-free? Did— how did the doctors explain it? I was, yes.

Well, what they did was that after I came out of the NDE, after every test that they did after the NDE, they could not find any trace of cancer. They would not believe there was no cancer, so they continued continued to give me drugs, but they did a little—

Anita, I just got a notice we just have a minute left. Where are you today? Is your body cancer-free?

Yes, it is. It's completely cancer-free. You know, I'm, I'm doing—

I don't know if you've heard, or look on the website— I'm doing a— taking a group of people to Lourdes, Assisi, and Medjugorje. If there's any possibility that you and your husband could get on that trip, it's June 19th to the 29th. I'd love I have to close out. I'm so sorry. This has been the greatest show I've done in 5 years. Thank you for calling. I can't wait to meet you and write your forward and have you on my PBS show and tell the world about you. I love you.

To watch another amazing Wayne Dyer video, check it out right there next to me. I think you'll love it. Continue to believe, and I'll see you there.

And how are you, Dr. Dyer? How's it going?

It's going great. I'm, uh, on Maui for another couple weeks, and then I'm going to, uh, San Diego to do a, uh, the PBS, uh, show that's gonna— the new show that's gonna air.