True Detox During Menopause: Is It Science or Trend?

Do you or don't you need a detox? And if you need a detox, what really is a detox? I'm not talking about a juice cleanse or having a smoothie every day for 3 days. I'm really talking about deep cleaning the detox that maybe will help with the overall burden on your body that might be making menopause symptoms worse. So stay tuned for this one, especially if you might be skeptical of detox. You're in perimenopause, menopause, or postmenopause, and you're not slowing down. You're just getting started. But the old rules don't apply anymore. The workouts that worked before, they're working against you now. The advice you've been given, incomplete at best. I'm Debra Atkinson, and I'm the founder of Flipping 50, the pioneer in fitness for women in midlife. For more than 40 years, I've been in the trenches with women just like you, and for the last 12, right here on this podcast. And, and the founder of Flipping 50: The Stronger Way app and membership. Welcome to Flipping 50: The Stronger Way, where science meets strength, where you'll find the tools, research, and real talk to build the body and the life you want in your second half. Each week you'll get evidence-based exercise and nutrition strategies, conversations with leading experts, and honest answers to the questions your doctor didn't get answers to in medical school and doesn't have time to answer in an appointment. This is your show. Let's get stronger. Hey, welcome. Welcome back to those of you who are new and those of you who are returning. I love you both. And in this episode, I'm talking about detox and I'm talking about it because we'll A multitude of reasons. And number one, I want to call out the elephant in the room, as I always do. I think whenever we're— whenever I'm talking about a supplement that I've tried, I can feel, almost feel your guard going up, or like, oh no, not another supplement, because I am like that, quite frankly, myself. And I think of us more as friends and peers than I do any other thing, but I wanna let you know why I did this, why back in 2014 and '15, I began writing about our exposure to toxins. And it first all evolved most likely from foods, learning more than I wanted to or cared to about the quality of our soil, meaning the quality of our food, even if we choose organic, was, you know, less micronutrient dense than other years. That all evolved into learning more and more about hormone disruptors, endocrine disruptors. And we're talking about things like perfume, shampoos, parabens. And now that we're much more aware from a decade ago when I was early writing and publishing that book to now, I feel almost as if the word detox has come and it's gone and it's kind of come and gone again. And we don't necessarily do the quality detox that we need to. I do think if we're exposed to loads, lesser loads, we're not doing so many of these kinds of products or exposing ourselves to dryer sheets or toxic detergents anymore. We're less likely to establish this load that we just— Our body can't handle anymore. And I do think we're all much more conscious and aware of the products that we're purchasing or putting in or on our body. But what about the cumulative effect? And what about the other types of burden that we have in stress and the allostatic load? And we, we really unpack a big piece of all of that today. And we talk about Qualia's 2-day detox, which is what I've recently done. But I wanted to ask the product developer team, why this product? How does it work? Because it is a very well-thought-out step-by-step-by-step process. And each one of these builds upon the previous one in order for them to work as a collective whole For your good. So I want to bring you into this conversation, even if you think, I don't want to detox, I don't need to detox, or, I know what detox is. I really think we are at the moment in time— and you'll hear us talk about and describe why that's true early on— that we all probably need some level of detox. So this one is for you to look at and make a decision about maybe simply your exposure to all toxins. And whether you can make a change in your day-to-day life that improves your exposure to them, and/or if you want to go through them, clean up as I did and will repeat monthly for a while. If your house is already clean, doing a, you know, an easy little dust mopping doesn't do a lot. And I borrow from Dr. Greg Kelly's words in saying that. He is my guest today. Hi, everybody. He's the chief product officer at Qualia Life, naturopathic physician, and author of the book Shapeshift. He was the editor of the journal Alternative Medicine Review and has been an instructor at the University of Bridgeport in the College of Naturopathic Medicine, where he taught classes in advanced clinical nutrition, counseling skills, and doctor-patient relationships. Dr. Kelly's published hundreds of articles on natural medicine and nutrition, contributed 3 chapters to the textbook of of Natural Medicine and has more than 30 journal articles indexed on PubMed. His area of expertise includes nootropics, anti-aging and regenerative medicine, weight management, sleep, and the chronobiology of performance and health. I'm gonna leave you with one assignment before we even start. So wait, stay with me now, but after the show's over, if you are also— A child or a baby of the '60s, did you have this game? I'm feeling robbed because the game he describes, I did not have as a child. Dr. Gregory Kelly, thank you so much for joining me.

My pleasure. I'm excited to speak to you and your audience today.

We're going to start with the very beginning if we can. So Chief Product Officer at Qualia Life, and many of my members have heard me talk about the use of quality or Qualia in My life, but I'd like to talk to you and about how did you land here? What has your career been like and where were you before this?

So, um, I started out as an officer in the Navy. That was in the '80s. So that was pre-becoming a naturopathic doctor. Um, after the Navy, I was one of the weird officers in the Navy that cared about what they ate and tried to exercise and would bring food on the ship if we were going out at sea for a week. Uh-huh. And when I got out, I started a degree in master's— a master's degree that focused on Southeast Asia and how food and herbs were used in traditional senses. So it was an anthropology degree. And along the way, I stumbled on some naturopathic doctors in Hawaii and thought their life was really cool and I loved what they were doing to help people. So I went to a naturopathic school in the early to mid-'90s. Worked for Thorne my first year out of school in '96, '97. Was on the, what I would say, the medical event circuit. I probably was at a trade show 2 weekends a month during that year or so. I'm including the big environmental medicine ones, which are relevant for our talk today. Yeah. And then, practiced for a bit, was in corporate wellness for a bit, doing that for about 8 years. And About 8 and a half years ago, stumbled on Qualia when they were a brand new company and just had launched what's Qualia Mind. And it was a great fit and I've been there ever since and love it. It's just an amazing group of people to work with.

Amazing. Thanks for filling me in. So you were one of those Navy guys who also found the weight room and was working out regularly, probably?

We would have— I was on a frigate, my first ship. We just had a universal machine. Okay. Tucked in the back. But yeah, I'd have sacrificed sleep to work out back then.

But, but back in the day, Universal was like a big deal.

Oh yeah. Anything was, was great. Right. So.

Okay. Very cool. I think I cut my teeth on Universal equipment actually. But so we're talking basically detox 101. And so if I start playing devil's advocate, like many of my listeners might be doing right now, If the liver and the kidneys naturally already detox us, why do we need a detox product?

So, the gist of it is the— our systems internally, liver, kidney being among them, but blood flow, lymphatic drainage, elimination through bile and the stool could keep pace, we wouldn't see what science finds over and over and has been finding going back to even before I started going to the environmental medicine shows in the mid to late '90s. And that's that when they biomonitor, essentially measuring tissue levels of hundreds of different industrial chemicals or persistent organic pollutants, they find them in everyone and they find them in increasing concentrations over time. So as a group, humans are losing the race to environmental toxins that can persist in our body or the environment. Some are called forever chemicals for a reason. They just Don't break down. And part of the reason for that is our liver, kidneys, and these other internal organs and systems were designed to detoxify things that are made through our metabolic processes and things largely in the plant world. And right now, we're giving them all kinds of things that they didn't evolve to handle. And so they're just losing the race slowly— Yeah. Each week, each month, each year.

Part of that evidence that we are losing the race, isn't it true that like babies are born with some amount of toxicity? So clearly it's being passed down from mother, and that is not by any means to make any mother feel guilty. It's just evidence that we are, we're carrying it around, and of course it's passing through to a child.

Yeah, they did a study, and I believe it was an umbilical cord, newborn infants and found that 100% had almost every chemical or industrial compound they looked for. And yeah, it's no one's fault. It's just the world we live in has a lot of things today that my great-grandparents would not have faced and probably my grandparents wouldn't have faced. And one of the interesting things, I wrote a book called Shapeshift 15 years ago that focused on body weight and shape. And there was a chapter in that that had to do with environmental obesogens. The gist of it, even back then, it was fairly well established that a lot of these compounds can disrupt our endocrine system and can cause us to gain adipose tissue. And it's not a silly thing to think because, for a lot of these compounds, they're fat soluble, and it's safer to have them there and to build up more adipose tissue to store them in than have them circulating and maybe get into our brain, right?

So, When we're looking at detox, it's almost always sold as, or very closely tied to liver. What are other clearance systems? You mentioned, you know, stool, but is there anything else that we potentially are taking for granted, not realizing?

Yeah. A quick history lesson. My mentors, the naturopathic doctors that knew almost nothing about biochemistry, these were people that you know, had been practicing sometimes for 3 or 4 decades when I had them as a student in their early 90s, really approached almost everyone with trying to support the liver and support the digestive system. And the general truism with that combination and then with healthy habits like you teach your audience, almost everyone moves in a positive direction over time. What happened in the mid-'90s is Jeff Bland. I don't know if your audience would know his name. Yeah. But he popularized phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification, largely through Metagenics, a supplement company, and eventually the Institute of Functional Medicine. And phase 1 and phase 2 were known about before but were packaged really well. And those are called biotransformation, and that's completely a liver story, right? So because of that, the liver all of a sudden became front and center. So the liver does play this super important role. of taking compounds that our body may make that are fat-soluble or many of these external compounds and packaging them in a way through that 2-step process so they can be eliminated in the urine, so the kidneys, or go through the bile into the stool and eliminated that way. So that ties in 2 more. The kidneys have to work well. Yeah. The stool has to be consistent enough that we're not reabsorbing the things that the liver works hard to put in it. And then all the things that say, getting released from fat cells, those need to go through our circulation to get to the liver, right? So lymphatic system, circulatory system, the venous system. And then over the last decade, neuroscientists have found the brain has its own detoxification system called the glymphatic system. And that acts as like the metabolic waste clearance system for the brain. And most of that work happens in deep sleep. And I'm sure some of your audience can relate, deep, good quality sleep sometimes is hard to get. And so all of these systems have to work in a coordinated manner, not just the liver doing its job, for us to both mobilize things out, flush them into the liver area where they can be biotransformed, and then ultimately put into the stool and the kidneys so that they can pass out of our body.

I think a lot of people are probably used to a superficial Detox. Like, what does that look like? And, and we're talking about something very different with the protocol that you offer through Qualia Life. Can you paint the picture of a detox? So a lot of people, I think, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a clean diet. And, and that might mean just not processed foods and not drive-through. And then there's the, oh, I'm gonna do a juice cleanse. And those come with, I mean, definitely some pros if you're unprocessing and need to, but there's also some risk that comes with juice cleansing. But talk a little bit more about the process of Qualia Live. So the detox that I went through, like benign, like, you know, nothing negative, super convenient. And, and we talked a little before about How do you know if you need a detox versus, we all do. You've painted the picture here. So I wanna back up to my original question. I'm throwing a lot at you. What is literally a detox? The difference between these superficial, sometimes sold as, do a 3-day detox with me, and what is really truly helping your system? You're paying attention to your protein, your workouts, your sleep, but what about the air you're breathing while you're doing all that? Dust settles, pet dander floats, and lighting a candle doesn't make either one disappear. It just makes dust smell like vanilla. That's where Air Doctor comes in. Its powerful 3-stage filtration captures extremely small particles, about 100 times smaller than what typical air purifiers can remove. It captures airborne contaminants including dust, pollen, mold spores, pet dander, Wildfire smoke, bacteria, viruses, odors, smoke, ozone, and VOCs, volatile organic compounds. It's whisper quiet and with an auto mode that adjusts filtration around the clock and filter change reminders that take the guesswork out. And Air Doctor won Newsweek's Reader's Choice Award for best air purifier. Head to airdoctorpro.com and use code FLIPPING50 and get up to $300 off any of their select Air Doctor models, plus you'll get a three-year warranty absolutely free. All Air Doctor air purifiers come with a thirty-day money-back guarantee. Get this exclusive podcast-only offer now at airdoctorpro.com, A I R D O C T O R P R O dot com, using promo code F L I P P I N G. Yeah,

so at Qualia, we would believe a detox should start with improving circulation and lymphatic drainage. So one of— I've seen it start to have a little bit more momentum is this idea of lymphatic drainage, but there's a lot of herbs that my teachers would have used, traditional herbalists used to use or still use, like cleavers and sweet clover. And horse chestnut, and these that are all about setting the tone of our blood vessels and then improving the lymphatic drainage. And we need to do that or else we can't mobilize and get the things from wherever they are stored to where they're ultimately processed. So step 1 in the Qualia approach, and this is intended that your listeners would do it to start the day. Over coffee or with your morning meal or smoothie is geared towards taking tonic herbs and other ingredients that help with circulation and lymphatic drainage so that we can start mobilizing, getting things to flush to where they can be more processed. And then step 2, which can be taken all together, I think it's 8 capsules with lunch or divided over 2 meals like lunch and dinner, things to then support. Mm-hmm. The liver's doing its job and bioflow and stool formation and elimination for that with some then what we would think of as mild diuretic herbs like a cranberry as an example, right? So that then we start to do this biotransformation and packaging so that things can now be moved out of the body. So after that, now we would have packaged some things and at a minimum put some through urine that that you're urinating out and some into the stool. But what can then happen is the things in the stool can be reabsorbed, and commonly they are. And so that's the next step, is to take out then between, say, your lunch and dinner, now that you've started the liver to do its work and bioflow to happen, a binding stack with things like activated charcoal and chitosan. Yeah. Activated charcoal is a really general binder. It binds all kinds of things. Things, including medications. So you don't want to take activated charcoal at the same time as your medication. You always want to take it with some window. The same with your nutrients. Some of those could be bound up if you take activated charcoal with your multivitamin, right? So it's why we recommend taking it spaced out about 2 hours after a meal or 1 hour before. And then it has humic and fulvic acids and something called chitosan that binds microplastics. So all of these things We want them bound up so that they stay in our stool rather than having now done all the work with the circulation and drainage and the liver and now reabsorbing the mess, so to speak, right? So the way I would think of it, without that binder stack, it's like having someone clean your floor and put everything into a big pile in the middle and then not put it in the dustpan and get rid of it, right? Now it's just going to spread all back over the house. Right. And then the last part is what we intend is about 30 to 60 minutes before bed. And it's Combination of 3 ingredients that are intended to help with deep sleep and then that lymphatic brain clearance, brain cleansing aspect during sleep. And then we recommend just doing this 2 days in a row. Once a month would be my default recommendation, but if someone feels like they have more burden, they could do, you know, 2 back-to-back, so 4 days in a row. Or what we did in our study at Qualia, we had people do it for 2 days, take 12 days off, and then do another 2 days.

So talk a little bit about— describe someone who might say, I feel like I have a little more burden, or maybe in conversation with someone, you would help them arrive at the fact that potentially you do. And so are there signs and symptoms that are specific to that?

So usually what you would see as the burden increases, you have a range of things affecting a lot of systems. So like energy and fatigue would would be super common, right? But that's common in lots of things. GI would be another. The brain foggy things are a third. As the burden increases, then you can start to see a lot more sensitivity of all our senses, but especially smell. Like, people that have really high burdens often are very, very sensitive to the smell of any external chemical, right? Like pumping gas or an air freshener even. When I used to go to the environmental medicine conferences, they would almost always have them in Ritz-Carltons because all the furniture, all the carpeting, everything was really old. It would have already off-gassed the chemicals. So that when you get to that degree, there's usually a very big burden and the system's now biased to try to detect everything and keep it out. But more classically, what you see is just a low level, I'm not feeling great and I don't have a good explanation why. When doctors do lab tests, everything looks kind of okay. You know, I take a lot of supplements, but nothing seems to work as well as the influencers tell me it should. All of those things would be clues that your system's just burdened with something that it's struggling to overcome, and so it's not able to perform at the level that you would expect it to.

So let me ask you something. So that brings me to, I mean, we are talking to a lot of women who are, Dealing with menopause, which in itself can be a burden, right? I mean, biggest hormonal upheaval in a woman's life really happening then at the point in time— how rude— that life stressors from the meaningful life she's developed with people and family and work that potentially she loves, but they're all going to cause a stressor. It's really coming in hot and heavy. Could it? Could I say this and be accurate, that a woman potentially will have a rougher time through menopause if she's dealing with a higher toxic burden?

For sure. A lot of the, like, when I mentioned earlier that when I wrote my book, that chapter talked about environmental endocrine disruptors, right? So, one of the main things that a lot of these persistent organic pollutants do is impact the endocrine system, right, our hormones. And often in ways that then, like weight gain might be too simple, right, they change the shape of our body, right? And then they tend to, then I said, accumulate. So— Yeah. One of the things that's common in menopause, right, is that their body is transforming, right? The shape of it often is changing. Even if they're doing, you know, a sound nutrition and exercise program. And so the additional disruption that can be happening because of the environmental load, I think, is something that your audience would want to factor into.

And it makes so much sense, and yet it's not the first obvious place that people go because so much of it is, well, this is just menopause, or this is aging, and/or I'm going through a really stressful time. Come back to endocrine disruptors in in all things, you know fragrance and ingredients in our soaps or shampoos or the laundry detergent. We're sleeping on sheets that were washed in maybe what our mom washed them in, but is that or isn't that a good choice anymore? How much is that cumulative effect of those little How much does that matter?

Yes.

And can you even say that?

Yes. So, um, before we started recording, I was telling you about a game that my siblings and I had when I was, um, we probably was 5 or 6 when we got it for Christmas, but it was called The Last Draw. It was, um, '64, so this was, um, like '66 or '65, somewhere in that time frame, quite a while back. But so for your listeners, picture a plastic camel and on either side there's a bucket. And then there was a wheel, you would spin the wheel and it would land maybe on green or blue or red and that color indicated a straw. And one of those, the red straw might have been much thicker and heavier than the green one. But whatever that color was, your team had to add a straw to the basket on your side. And at some point, one of the teams would put the last straw in, it was too much for that camel and the back would collapse, right? So, that's been an analogy I've used for health going back my entire career. I think all of us are like that poor camel, that we have an innate amount of resilience to carry a burden, that our buckets are filled with all kinds of things, right? Maybe lack of sleep, maybe, in this case, the menopausal transition, the environmental load that we're all exposed to, maybe EMF. All kinds of things like regular stress. And we never know how full our basket is. It's just impossible to tell. And everything counts, right? Sometimes it's why exercise is a great thing unless we run a marathon every 2 weeks, right? And then it's a huge straw, right? That'll make the back collapse for a lot of people. So we always, from my perspective, the goal is for straws that we can manage to take out. Some we can't. Like, there's nothing I can do about 5G, at least where I live. There's nothing I can do about other things. I don't worry about them. But addressable straws, yes. Yeah. And the toxic load, every little bit is— maybe it's just a tiny straw and we would need a million of them, but I want to keep my basket as empty as possible all the time because I don't know where— when a big last straw might be added. I just don't know. We can't know.

And I think that's, it's kind of like banking muscle, but it's also like clearing space for, you know, what might or might not happen. But even if the inevitable or the thing that you think this'll never happen, or we hope it never does, it does. Even if it never does, you've got this insurance and your bandwidth is so much greater for maybe for joy, for happiness, for enjoying life. Yeah. I

think one of the things that was really common when I was in practice is that sometimes with my help, often without it, someone could point to that last straw. They could say, this caused my thing. I was fine before this. But what my analogy would mean is that that wasn't the cause. The cause was the bucket was already too full for that thing, right? Yeah. In an emptier bucket, that wouldn't have caused the same problem. And so, yeah, I mean, part of the reason there's so many people that go to naturopaths and functional medicine doctors and other practitioners is because people have already hit their last straw capacity.

So true. And talk to me about the opposite of that. So if someone hasn't turned on to naturopathic or a functional medicine way of dealing things, Often what we do— I know I was guilty of this as a younger adult— I'd go to the doctor when I was sick or not feeling good, and I would say, fix me, give me the antibiotic, I want it now. You know, how much are we contributing to our own toxic load, or is that still in our system? Are we still paying for that?

I think we always need to be careful about beating ourselves up over past decisions. You know, they were done and made, and we did them with Okay. The best information we had. You know, I mentioned my first career was an officer in the Navy. If you had asked 23-year-old Greg how medication worked, I would have just said something along the lines, oh, you just go to the doctor, they give you something, and it's going to just fix whatever you need fixed. I didn't know, right? So, you know, that's— my story is really different. But I would say, like with your example of antibiotics, right, for sure those will make some pretty substantial, at least short-term, potentially long-term changes in our gut microbiome. And the gut microbiome plays a huge role in metabolizing all kinds of things, including these environmental toxins that we're exposed to, but also our own hormones, right? And then the gut-brain axis. So, you know, we can do that because it was the right thing to do. We needed that medication. And it may be, you know, something that now adds another straw of some sort that we're now navigating until we restore our gut microbiome to the health it was before. And I would, for listeners, I would argue always for possibility. Like, health, our system is amazing. Our mind-body is capable of probably more than most of you listeners believe. I'm sure it's capable of more than I even believe, and I believe some crazy things. So obviously argue, always argue for the possibility that you can have the kind of vibrant health that you want. And then, you know, with that intention, often you'll draw in the people and the tools and the things Maybe the supplements or the advice from our host here to help you get that intention manifesting into your life.

I think as, as a second to this question, I want to come back to not just who's a good candidate, because I think you've painted a really good picture for most of us are good candidates. We're not necessarily going to feel it, but we are all subject to it. And we're hearing more about the environmental toxins that we all face that I just recently moved back to Iowa, and you would think, what could go wrong here? Except we have the highest cancer rate in the nation. So there's that. Like, so yeah. But I wanna ask first, is there somebody who is not a candidate for detox and who would that be?

Yeah, so for sure, like pregnant or a woman that just recently delivered a baby, these should be times you, you're focused on that. Um, if you are on a lot of medications, Then you should always confer with your doctor. The truth is they're more often than not not going to know and just say don't do it. But you know, you can then get a second opinion. AIs now, some of those give fantastic advice. So I will turn to an AI and get its opinion, or typically I'll use several different AIs to see if they concur. But those would be like the guardrails. But our approach compared to most detoxes is fairly gentle. It's 2 days a month. Yeah. You know, it's not intended that you'd mobilize a whole bunch of things out of, let's say, just storage in fat tissue and overwhelm the system and cause, like, potentially havoc with interactions with medications or something else. And one of the things that I would have done in practice is if anyone's concerned, you just go slower. So I mentioned, you know, like, I think there's 8 capsules that go with the The lunch stack. So instead of doing all 8 at lunch, or even 4 at lunch and 4 at dinner, just spread that out over 4 to 6 days or 8 days. Do 1 a day, right? So just take it much, much more gradual is, to me, always the most sensible approach. Okay. If someone's not sure, or they're— what I would have seen commonly with a subset of patients that I worked with is they were just way more sensitive than the average person to things. And starting off slower was by far better than giving them the study dose and then having them call a couple days later because they were struggling.

Interesting. Okay, so that's really a great, I think, awareness. So it's not losing its effectiveness if you— as long as you're taking them in the right order. So we go through the steps that we want. So we're activated, we're gonna Actually start clearing it. We're going to bind it, make sure we get it out as long as the steps are in order.

Yeah. Think of it. It's not going to be as effective, but it's now starting to get your system used to it so it can start to adapt to that new nutrition and new protocol.

Okay.

Other than it being more of a shock to your system.

Yeah. Makes sense. So frequency, you know, once a month for 2 days or slower if that Is better for you. And then is this until, so we keep doing that, or how frequently?

So the way I think of it, so I'm not by nature someone that likes to clean my, the place I live. So I have some people come in once a month and do all the things that I won't get to, right? And so to me, this is that same thing. I know these systems in my body have a bigger challenge than they're capable of doing on their own. So they just need more support. Yeah. So because of that, I just build it in. At this point, I take it like a weekend in the middle of the month, every month, and that's my plan going forward because there's, you know, multiple different sources that— we'll just use the word stress, right? So, you know, social stress, financial stress, caregiver stress, you know, those are some big mental emotional ones. But then there's the physical stress from either being too sedentary or maybe too active, right, overtraining. Chemical stress would be another form of stress. It's not something that any of us can get away from. So our choices are to ignore it or do something to support our body a bit better. And as we mentioned earlier in the podcast, ignoring it, we know where that leads to. It's going to lead to more and more accumulation over time. So for me, I want to win more months than I lose at this point in my life.

Yeah. So let me just give for our audience a real-life scenario. So say we've got a woman who recently retired. She had a pretty stressful job. Let's just say she was in healthcare because that can be pretty stressful. And she's now ready to pay attention to herself and her health and realizes that the last few years going through pandemic was pretty tough on her mentally. She may be saying, I got this far without it. I'm too far gone. What would you say to her about detox?

Yeah. So we're never too far gone, I don't think, right? Um, the liver as an example has an amazing capability to regenerate itself. So I, like, one of the things, if that was my patient, one of the things I was super attuned to was the stories people tell me about themselves and their circumstances. Because I think there's— I don't know what reality allows for, but I know our senses constrain some of that, right? We can't scent all the things a dog can, right? So our senses can only pick up a bubble of that. And then our stories, our beliefs, right, are another huge limitation or gating factor on that. So it was why earlier I said my bias is let's argue for possibility always, right? Because I don't know. What's possible. But I, you know, for your listeners, I've seen some incredible things happen for people of all ages.

Amazing. Is there a question that I haven't asked you that I should have, knowing we're talking to women 45 to 70 who do want optimal health for themselves, but sometimes find it hard to put themselves first, but definitely want to have a strong influence, positive influence, on the 3 generations That are watching them.

Yeah, because they do set the— they are the ones that set the model and the standard for everyone else. So I think the thing I would add is, and it's a question we get a fair amount at Qualia, is there anything else they should do on those 2 days? And so, like, the short answer is there's nothing else that you need to do, but if you choose to do additional things, it's a good time to just really focus on additional, what I would say almost nature cure would've been what we would've called, you know, going for a walk in nature. You know, if you have access to a sauna, doing a sauna, 'cause that will help also to mobilize toxins. Mm-hmm. You'd wanna do that early in your day, right? Before you did the binding stack, as an example. A sauna doesn't have to be like set all the way to the top. The people that used to do a lot of the environmental medicine and some of my teachers believed in low temperature. Saunas being better to mobilize fat. The higher temperature, you sweat more, but you in the low temperature, there'll be more of an oily residue on your skin. You know, it's a could be a good day if it's the time of year that you can get some light sunshine or you know bounce on a trampoline because that will help lymphatics. So just think of some of these other things that we we know are good for gentle gentle cleansing and overall wellness. And make those 2 days wellness days. Like, kind of treat it as, uh, if you can, a day to get a massage or do something special for yourself.

That's a great recommendation. So you just got a great little to-do list there. And we'll just put the exercise prescription right in the show notes this week, y'all, so you've got that there. Dr. Kelly, thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it. Where is the best place that somebody could go to learn More about detox and about the other Qualia Life products.

So it's qualialife.com, Q-U-A-L-I-A dot com or life dot com. I'm sure it'll be in the show notes, but we have a blog that talks about this product, every ingredient, why we chose it, what it does. We also have quite a few individual blogs talking about different ingredients, and then we share a lot on Instagram. So Instagram by far is the best way. Fantastic.

And we'll be sharing with Qualia on our Instagram as well. So thank you, everybody, for listening. If you like this one, I want you to reach out behind the scenes on Instagram, DM me. I still look at all of those myself and I will respond. And if you have questions, let me know. Maybe there's a chance we could get Dr. Greg Kelly to come back. Thank you, Dr. Kelly. Thank you.

My pleasure.

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