BONUS: Spirit Baby Communication with Guest Dr. Maria Rothenburger

Hi friends, it's summer here and today. Well, this is one of my favorite conversations so far this year. I spoke with Maria Rothenberger. She is a therapist, a doctor, and she's also a medium. And we delve deep diving, delving, diving, whatever, into the niche specialty of communicating with babies and the unborn and what that really means. I, I ask all the good questions like why do babies choose us as parents and how do they make that choice? Or what's really happening when you can't conceive? Do we choose our birth dates? Where are all these souls coming from anyway? Or what's a soul family? And even is it possible to be born into the wrong family? Well, as both a medium and a fertility therapist, Maria uses a combination of grounded practice, practical strategies as well as her connection to spirit to help people move from brokenhearted, frustrated or stuck to instead feeling open, connected and peaceful. Plus, of course, she gets to talk to your baby. So I hope you enjoy this episode. Flow Dreaming Still Kinda Woo Woo is just what it sounds like. An escape into the world of woo. Also a ride into you and how to feel happier, wiser and more self aware in every way. It's your ultimate journey into personal growth and inner power. We'll explore ideas like how your energy self influences the kinds of opportunities you encounter, or how your personal growth can drive your business growth, or even how that feeling of being stuck is really always coming from something else. We just have to figure out what. That's right, we're a dash of Woo Woo. A sprinkle of self care, a heap of problem solving and pattern busting, and a giant cup of encouragement. We're going to relight so much passion, purpose, self love and confidence in you that you practically staggered. Hi, I'm Summer McStravik, your host and welcome to Flow Dreaming Still Kinda Woo Woo. Well, before we jump in, let me give you a way to get hold of Maria. If you are interested in working with her or finding out more about her, you can go to her website which is drdrmariarothenberger.com or or I especially recommend listening to her podcast, the Reluctant Medium. She's also on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. TikTok. Wow, where did that come from?

TikTok.

All the usual places and all of that will be in the show notes. So you can just go right over there and find her. Well, with that let's jump in and.

Start reaching out and learning about who.

We are before we're born, as well as who the ones we're wishing into. Our lives are, or even the ones we've lost.

Maria, I am so happy to be here with you today. And we have so much to discuss about spirit babies.

Yes, we do. I'm stoked. Thank you so much for having me.

And I should mention to everybody I have been a guest on Maria's podcast, the Reluctant Medium. So a shout out to that right off the bat. We had such a good conversation, so we're turning the tables. And now I get to quiz her and ask her everything she knows about communicating with little babies. The unborn, the spirit. So let's. Let's go. Are you ready?

Oh, I'm so ready. Let's dive in.

Okay. So, you know, through the years in my own practice, more often than I would have expected, I'll talk to somebody who says, I'm doing ivf. Ivf. I'm trying to conceive. Do you see anybody? Do you see? Is this. Right? Is this going to happen? Is there somebody waiting to come into my life or. I've been trying for years. Why haven't they come into my life? And I'm imagining. You get that question really, really often. So let's just start with that. How a person who's trying to conceive. Is that what you do? Do you go out there and be like, yes, I know exactly who's coming to you? Share with me the process?

Yes, that's one of the. One of the areas. Right. So folks who come to me are either trying to conceive or they have lost a child or they had an abortion. These are souls who are wanting to either come back into someone's life or they have left someone's life. So it's still the other side, communication, still spirits on the other side. But I have found in communicating with babies specifically, that they have their own little. It's not like a holding cell, but it's like. It's like their own little vibrational area, so to speak. It's the only way that I can describe it. Have you seen the movie Soul? It's an animated movie.

No, no.

Oh, my gosh. When I saw that movie, I said, oh, man, that's exactly who I'm talking to. So now everybody needs to go see the movie Soul. Yes, it is. It is these souls who are prepping. It's almost like they're, like, prepping to come earthside, the best way that I can describe it. Or they have come earthside and they are still in this spirit baby vibration and. And wanting to communicate with their parents.

Is this like a Pixar or an animation.

It's a Pixar movie. I believe It's Pixar.

Pixar to me. Yep. Yeah.

Yep.

All right, I'll do that. So you communicate with them and we'll talk about all the fascinating things you discover. But I actually am going to back up a second. How or why did you even start specializing in this? I mean, you're a therapist, for God's sakes. What. What took you down this path? And I know it has to do with the reluctant part, so just give me a little look into that.

Yeah. Oh, so reluctant. Yes. Well, so, yeah, I'm a therapist and I. I specialize in fertility struggles. And I was seeing a client who had lost her twins in utero, and I was doing regular grief therapy with her. Just grief work. And her babies came to my awareness. She had lost them. I don't even remember how many weeks, but they were really far along in the. Almost in the third trimester. And I thought that I was crazy. I was self diagnosing and I. I didn't say a word. I just. They were there. They were talking to me. It was almost like I couldn't even stay present with her because they were in my awareness, just talking, talking, talking. One of them in particular. And so I left to go home that day, like any other day. And I was listening to Flow Dreaming on. On my phone. Was. I was listening to Flow Dreaming and they were messing with the podcast. They were flipping back and forth between the episodes. Now this was like, I think 12 years ago now or 10 years ago, some. Some long time ago. And it landed on a part of your podcast, Summer, where you said, get over yourself.

One of my favorite phrases. It's just so raw, you know, why are you making yourself so important? Just do the work and forget about it, you know, just do it. Do what you've been gifted to do.

That's basically what they were saying to me. Just get over yourself and tell this woman what she needs to know about us. So they were doing that. I still didn't say a word. They were messing with things in my house, moving things around. I didn't say a word. And finally they just. It was so obvious that they were present. Oh, and I called into your show. I talked to you about this before. I called into your show going, Summer. Really? What is happening? I've been meditating. I've been flow dreaming. Is this. What's going on? Did something happen in my brain? What? Is this real? And you just made me feel so normal that I finally said, okay, what do I do with this? If this is normal and real? If this is just real, I'll just start there. What do I do with this?

And not necessarily normal, but that's okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's just start with real. So I decided to disclose to her what happened. And that's not a thing. It's a little bit better now in the. In the therapy world, but it's not. Not a thing that was done back then. So I asked her what her openness was, and she said, I'm very open. And I said, okay, I'm going to stop the therapy session right now, but I'll add back your time if you need, if you'd like, that at the end. And I. I just told her, I said, this is what's happening. And I didn't know what to, like, how to channel this or what. I had no idea what I was doing. I was feeling all the feels. I was getting tearful with her. But basically what happened was they wanted her to know why.

Why.

Why this happened. They started out by saying things that I couldn't know. Right. Like, is the doorbell ringing in the middle of the night? Yes, it is. How about the pictures in the hallway? They fell off the wall, right? Yes, they did. Do you have. They're showing me some kind of memoriam or something in their room with, like, these teddy bears on it? Yes. Oh, my gosh, those are molly bears that. We have them in their room. It's. They started out with that. This is real. This is happening.

Evidential. Yeah.

And then they described why. Why this had to happen. And I'm telling you, Summer, I saw more healing happen in a few sessions than I could have possibly done with traditional psychotherapy. And I can't even call it healing. Right. Like, legally, it's for entertainment purposes only.

Yeah.

But that's what I saw. And I didn't do anything with mediumship for years because I was so terrified of, like, losing my license or something. Right. But then I realized I just had an awakening. I thought, you know, I think. I think this could actually be so, so helpful for people. And I started doing some actual, like, mediumship training, learning some tools and things. And then I did focused spirit baby training, and that was it. I haven't looked back. Summer of 2020, when the whole world was going nuts, is when I quote unquote, came out the spirit baby medium.

And, yeah, it's very interesting because, of course, that's the year that everybody went deep inside. Yes, really inside and inside themselves. And you said, okay, I'm finally in a safe enough place that I can really expose myself.

Yes.

Sting strike.

Yes.

Okay, so I'm gonna go back then to that question because obviously you know, it's individual. And I'm sure that those beings told you why they chose to sort of back out of the deal. But I know that sound, it sounds cavalier when I say that, but why? Like what are some of the answers for souls who want to incarnate but then either don't or like again that you know, yearning mother or father, parents who are trying so hard and yet they feel like nobody's coming their way. What are some of the answers? Like what have you seen over the years?

Yeah, you would think it would be this clear cut, this is the reason, but it's not, it's so individual. So I can say some of the things that I've come across in readings, some of them there are, we've, we've heard about these souls that come like indigo children, crystal children, rainbow children. There are souls that are called pink starlights that are coming in and they are meant to. Their sole purpose is to raise the vibration of the planet. And unfortunately or fortunately the parents that they choose have to be so broken open their, their heart space needs to be so broken open in order to hold the space for these souls in their homes that they go through hard things, really, really difficult things like loss, pregnancy loss, miscarriages, difficulty conceiving in the first place and other things too, their whole lives. There's. They're usually in training to bring these souls Earthside. So that's one reason other souls, they have made a contractual agreement before the person even came Earthside that they were going them evolve. And this is one of the reasons, this is one of the ways in which someone can evolve by creating, by having this loss. There are just myriad reasons. Sometimes there's a physical issue, a biological issue. I had one where the baby was showing me a heart, a heart issue. The heart was turned around or it was like not his backwards or something. And it turned out to be accurate that, that they did a biopsy and, or not a biopsy examination and that's what, that's what was happening. And the baby could not have lived very long. They could have lived but not very long. And so it was almost like a. I hate to say this in this way, but kind of like a mercy, like we were going to protect you from that later pain by creating this current pain. So those are just a few examples but everybody's story, just like Every human is an individual and has individual stories. There's so many answers as to why this could be happening.

Yeah, yeah, that, that, that. That makes me think of another question. We call them babies or, or beings. As I was saying, when I have con. Whenever, eye contact, disembodied people have no better way of saying it, but consciousnesses that are not in a physical form, whether it's a. Like an elderly parent who's passed on or even anybody who's really anyone's passed on. Sometimes they. It's like they put on their personality shirt at this. No other way to describe it. It's like, oh, you want to see Grandma Ida? I'll put on Grandma Ida's personality shirt and talk to you. But I can sense you're not just Grandma Ida anymore. Like you could be her, but you're much different. You're expanded. You're ancient. You're so. What? Who am I talking to exactly? When you're encountering these little beings, I think people expect to hear like baby talk or little like, what do you encounter? I mean, do you get that sort of like, whoa, which part of this being am I talking to? Thing.

Yes, that is. You described it perfectly. These beings, I love the word ancient. These babies, these souls, they just feel. They feel pure. They vibrate differently. It's like when. When I connect with an angel, they just vibrate differently. They have a different. I feel. I sense them differently in my body. I sense them differently in my awareness, my clairvoyance. I see them differently. They're in a different literal place in my awareness. So, like, babies always show up on my left side. Ancestors always show up on my left, but farther back, guides in front, you know, so they're in a different physical location in my awareness. Mother Mary, always on my right side, always so strange. But they vibrate differently. They feel pure, but they also have a wisdom about them. So this actually ties into folks who come to see me if they've had an abortion, that they're wanting to work through a process through babies. They just see things from a higher elevation. They're just like, this is all exactly as it needs to be. I know that sounds a little. I think you used the word cavalier before.

Right.

Like, it sounds like so not okay. What do you mean? That's how it's supposed to be. A miscarriages, an abortion is how it's supposed to be? Well, yes, that's how they see it. They see it as, okay, it wasn't time for you, and that's okay. I I either will want to come back again or try again or I will move on to another family. But it's all okay. There's no judgment. It's all love.

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I see that as well. And I'm wondering if, if that sort of purity. I wonder if we undergo a kind of distillation or purification prior to incarnating. Sort of like if we brought all of our ancient selves, then we wouldn't really have much fun here in the Earth game because we'd already know everything. We'd all be like Jesus walking the planet. Right. At least in my belief system. But when you distill down and you purify and you're like, I'm here for certain things, everything else has to go away so I can get those things. I wonder if that's what part of the purity is. I don't know. I'm just, just kind of brainstorming here.

Oh my God. That makes so much sense. It really does. It makes a lot of sense. Distilling down is. That actually feels right. It's, it really is like this. And you'll see if you watch that movie Soul. They don't even have names yet. They don't have personalities or anything. I find that different in the real work. They do have personalities. In fact, they're quite comical. Sometimes I just adore them. But they do have this blank slate feeling about them. I am just here to learn and to gain more wisdom from these experiences. And I'm seeing it from a pure place right now. It won't feel pure when I'm in a body. That's okay. I'll have a brain that filters information. That's okay. But this is why I've chosen you for ABC reason. And, and everybody's reason is different for choosing their parents, but they do choose their parents.

Okay. Yes. Good. Perfect. That was right in my list of questions for you. Okay. I've always wondered, and I go back and forth in my own head and all my own conversations with, again, disembodied people. Do we choose the timing? Like, did I want to be a Virgo, or was it that I wanted to be born in a certain year so I'd have a certain set of experiences that I could only capture, you know, in 2020 and 2023 and 2024? Or was it there were particular family members that I wanted to be with or was I avoiding certain eras? I'm like, do not put me in the Middle Ages. Do not want to. Like, have you ever asked, have you Ever ask, like, why now? Why then? Yep.

The short answer is yes.

I call that D, all of the above.

Yes.

Okay.

Oh, Scantron. Yeah, we're old. We are. We are, yeah. Oh, nostalgia. Right. So the answer is D, all of the above. Really. And. And more. And there are plenty of spirit babies who have said to me, there's been a delay because I need to be born between this period and this period, and it must be between these dates so that I can be such and such astrological sign. I don't know nearly enough about astrology to be able to expand on it, but I just say what they're saying. And so, yes, there's some of that. There are some folks who incarnate because they are incarnating into their. This is actually probably most common. They're incarnating with their soul group. So they have siblings that are coming in. They have cousins, they have other family members who are incarnating in, and they want to incarnate with them. Others stay on the other side to guide their soul group members. But there are myriad reasons and, and some of them are those. I don't need to. I don't want to live in this particular decade. I don't want to live in this particular year. The pink starlights, for example, they're trying to like, get their way in now, now, now, now, now. So I connect with a lot of them right now. Yeah, there's lots of reasons. And we also, in. In spirit baby communication, talk about the Middle Ages or lives that they've lived before. We talk about past life stuff, future life stuff. It's fascinating what comes up. Just completely fascinating.

This is just making me brainstorm all over. What. Yeah, I have no idea if I'm right, but what if it's sort of like when I. Okay, this is very simplified, but when I go and choose clothes at Target, okay, Shop Target, right. Some people go and they're like, oh, I want to get the really flashy, inexpensive thing that I'll only wear a few times, but it's so gorgeous, I need it. And other people are like, I'm only there for my comfy yoga pants. I just want comfort. What if we're making a too big of a presumption that all spirits are incarnating for some singular, elevated reason? What if it's more like personality choices? Just like we would choose anything else. Like, yeah, I want to be a Virgo, or yeah, I want these parrots, or yes, I want to have this opportunity to become an A list movie star. You know what if it.

What?

It's very, very individual is what I'm getting at.

It is individual. I. I don't think it's. What if. I think it's how it is.

Yeah, yeah. All the above. I do. Yeah.

I think it's the specific experience. Sometimes it's a broader experience. Right. So like some people, I. I often will say, okay, this soul is coming in for a macro reason, or this soul is coming in for a micro reason. So a macro. This is world influence. You know, something that's global, huge, and somebody else's micro. Like there is this dynamic between parents that this person needs to learn from or they need to improve this relations in the family or this friendship dynamic or something micro. Right. But it's all impactful to the soul. We're all the same anyway. We're all one. So it's impacting the greater cause anyway, to say. So nothing is too small though, right? Nothing is too small.

Oh, I. I would agree. I will go sometimes and just get a little pair of golden earrings at Target, and that's all I want.

There you go.

Speaking of small, what about reincarnated relatives? Yep. Or people that we've loved. Like, I, I swear, I. This is my. My great grandmother. I mean, she just seems like it. My baby is what? Or, or what if also another scenario, somebody who just recently passed and then you're pregnant like a month later. Like, do you find that there's. Do you find that time gets slippery? Like, can somebody still be kind of alive but still be coming in? Or how. How does the family dynamic group transfer forward? Because you mentioned that we're getting. I know.

I'm asking physics, man.

I am all questions. I love it. So great Target earrings.

Yeah, I know that. I'm thinking about the little ant that's in my house, and I just. It's its own little life. Right. But please don't be in my house. Thank you. But yes. Okay. Time. Time is tricky. I. I don't think that it really exists. Right. It's an illusion. But it's all. And it's all happening at the same time. And what I've heard. And I don't know enough about this, but I'll speak to what I've heard. And then what my experience is, is my experiences are. I've heard that we, our souls, a small portion of our souls incarnate into a body and many bodies at once even, because time doesn't exist. So we incarnate into all these life experiences at once. In my experience, yes. I have met with spirit babies who are the reincarnated soul of a family member. I still see them as two separate. They will tell me I want to come into this family as the baby. And they will have very similar personalities. Some things will be a little, slightly different, but most, most of their personality is still intact in there. It's still them. And so, yeah, I see that, I see that all the time. And time is slippery. Yeah, I just think it doesn't exist. And I just, I just go with what they're telling me. That's what I do. He goes like, over here. And I say, okay, I'm not going to try to make sense or reason of this. Please just tell me what you need to say. And so they do. And sometimes it's a family member, sometimes a family member is there and they're not going to reincarnate into the body. They're just a guide for this soul. It just varies so much. Sometimes someone has passed away and there's a pregnancy right after, shortly after. In my experience, souls do not inhabit the body until the last trimester, last six or eight weeks of pregnancy. They're in and out, in and out. And sometimes a soul has not even chosen a pregnancy, a body yet. And they don't until that last, that last minute. And then they are like, yes, that's the body. So see how it's so varied?

Right. It's all I know. I, I've had a similar experience when, you know, I've been reading for somebody who's pregnant and I'm like, well, they're kind of there, but they're, they're really not there yet. They're, they're still chilling someplace else. Like, what do you mean? They're not in me? I can feel them in me. I'm like, well, they can be there if they want to, but it's almost like the, the neural network isn't developed enough to, to absorb them or something. Again, I'm just speculating on this, but I feel like they're, they're, it's, it's not what they need yet to be fully there yet. But I also look at a being as multi dimensional. So it's not like they have to be either or, it's not like in the body or out of the body. It can be a little bit of both. Yes, because that's how we all are right now. I'm in a body and my consciousness is more focused in the body, but I'm also something else which I'm sure is looking at me and laughing. And thinking she thinks she's the one focused on the body. I'm the one running the show. So similar.

That's right. Yeah. And so some. Sometimes people will say, can you do a reading for. So I'll have done a reading for this spirit baby. They become pregnant now. Baby is earthside. Can you still read this soul? Yes, I can. Yes. It's a different. They show up in my awareness in a different place, but it's still the same soul. And it's that part of them that's still on the other side. So, yeah, it gets complicated. Yeah.

And that. That brings up for me, like, questions of, say, destiny, because, you know, maybe you'll look in somebody and the baby's, like, excited and wants to be here. The. The being, the consciousness, and then something happens, and then they leave. And you think, wait a minute. We were all on board, and now you left. Wait, what? And, you know, when we talk about things like soul contracts, etcetera, Sometimes it. It. It feels a little hazy to me. Like. Yes, Sometimes you decide things ahead of time. Sometimes you're actually acting in the moment, because that's part of what we are supposed to be doing. If everything was so predestined, there'd be no learning. So we have to kind of flow with this and see what every moment is given, because it can change. It's not just stamped in concrete.

Oh, that's. I love. I love where you're going with that. Because people will often ask me, okay, so here's an example. A percentage of the time I will have spirit baby readings, and then I'll say, hey, you've got this baby boy that's here. But then they get pregnant and it's with a girl. Right.

I've had similar situations. Exactly.

Yeah.

Like what? Who's this? I'm like, I don't know. She stepped in. I just. It's right. Things change.

That's right. Things change. Things change. Also, this baby boy that popped in could have been completely okay in a female body. We are the ones. We humans put value on sex, the sex of the baby. And they are oftentimes, like, I can get my job done in either kind of body. It doesn't matter.

Like, it's fine. I was gonna say, this current generation is blowing that whole thing up.

Oh, yeah.

Like, don't even give me a gender or RSX or any. Just let me be. Just let me be me. That's right. So they're really pushing all of us in that direction. They are.

They are. And there are souls that really, they have, they just flip. I had a soul pop in that the baby was like, I'm a pink starlight. I need to get in now. Everyone behind me, get behind me now. I am coming in. And that, that baby came in. Yep. So fast. Because she needed to. She needed to right now.

So.

Things change all the time. It isn't set in stone.

Yeah, you, you mentioned pink starlight. Have you ever encountered a consciousness that you would consider really not Earth oriented? And I'm talking people who feel like I'm Pleiadian. I'm not. I've never done the Earth thing before. I mean, I hesitate to say alien, although I know a lot of people, people do believe that, but for me, it's just a consciousness that has been developing in another area of our universes.

Yes, Interestingly so this isn't my, my specialty, but when that happens, it's usually because the Earthside parents or one of them is from that particular star system. So they will come in to match that vibration I've had. I just had a reading. She. It's crazy, the people that came through, because in a spirit baby reading, I call in all souls who are connected to the spirit babies. And so these, you know, quote unquote aliens or other people from other star systems will pop in sometimes as ancestors or family members or guides. And I described this. I don't know enough about star seeds or that kind of thing, but I described what they looked like. And the woman later went and looked up things about this particular star family or whatever, and she showed me images. I'm like, oh my God, that's them. That is so crazy. Even me, I'm still obviously reluctant, but when I see evidence like that, I'm like, gosh, I can't, I can't deny it. But yes, they will come through. Usually they vibrate very high. Not as high as like angels, but they will vibrate much higher. It's almost as if this particular set of beings talked about not needing to eat food. Like they don't have really bodies. That meant they're like more like light beings. And so, yes, they will come through. And actually, a lot of times it makes sense for the Earthside people because I'll talk about how they may feel uncomfortable being in a body or it feels constricting, or they feel on edge all the time, or they don't like clothes, or they just have stomach issues or problems with the body all the time. And they will confirm and say no, want. Yes, yes, yes. It's hard to be in this density, it's just so dense here.

Yeah.

And they need to have that awareness for this baby that's coming in because the baby is going to need to have that education. It's okay that your clothes are itchy, honey. It's okay. Of course they are. You know, it's fine. We're going to try to remedy that. It's fine that you have these. These stomach issues, sweetheart. We're going to remedy that. This is why.

Right.

So to have an understanding and a piece around it is so helpful for these souls coming in.

Mm. I'm. I'm torn in two directions here. Part partly, I want to ask, like. Yes. These. These beings that choose to come in, sometimes I think they are here to experience neurodiversity or like you were suggesting, you know. You know, to be highly sensitive or empathic or you have to rip all the tags off their clothes and take. Make sure their socks don't have seams. But that's. I think that carries through with the whole life. Right. It's a certain set of experiences that we kind of are hoping for or anticipating based on who we're born to and when we're born and. And the genes, the genetics. Do they ever talk about the genes or genetics that they're coming into?

Oh, sure. It's usually around pluses, though. Like, quite bright. I need to be quite bright. I need to be able to do this in my. In my. Here's the practical application of my spiritual work, and I need to have them quite bright. Other times, they will ask. They will actually need some kind of physical anomaly because that serves their purpose. I need to have issues with such and such because that serves my work in this way. So, yeah, there's. There is talk about genetics, genetic components, but I will say I'm a. I'm a epigenetics kind of person. And they don't. They don't rule us. But, you know, there are some things that are important. Yeah.

Yeah. So, okay, now I'm swerving you another direction. I feel like we're driving a car like crazy down this road. Like, let's go here, let's go there. But it's just because I want to stuff everything in, and I've only got you for a certain amount of time. No, you mentioned soul groups.

Yes.

I have always joked that I have a huge, rooting, cheering party going on out there right now. People, beings, consciousnesses that I don't even remember. I have no memory of who they are, but they're just sitting there eating popcorn you know, drinking, they're spilling their tea, whatever, going, oh, look what she did now. Oh my God. I got you, honey. And, and I think to myself, it's, it's not just family based.

No.

If I'm a real, truly conscious, multi dimensional, expanded being, I hope I've picked up people that, that are closest to my vibration and even some that aren't close that I just really love. Right. And they all kind of become part of this cheering squad and, or incarnating squad or overlooking you squad. I don't see it as strictly ancestor linear in that sense. Sort of like how you mentioned, like you don't really believe in time. We're in time because it's part of being material. But once you're not material. Yeah. I could be in five different lifetimes at once. That's right. What is your take? That's my take on soul group.

Yes.

What's your take? How do you see it when you're communicating?

Yes. Well, I even see part of our soul groups being people who are not so lovely in this life. Like, I think that there have been people in my life that were part of my soul group who, who are like, okay, this is how hard I'm gonna make it for you. Are you ready? Because you need to expand in this way. So I, I will play that role for you. Right.

So that's the hardest role too. To be the villain to somebody that you know. And I mean, and most people aren't just villains, I think just because they're mean and evil. It's Right. Because you actually have to love somebody enough to do the hardest thing for them.

That's right.

Which can mean hurting them, which is a very. You have to like digest that one for a while.

You do as a, as an earth side being you do on the other side. They're like, this is all for the highest good. And it's really hard to, to straddle those two energetic planes sometimes, you know, because they are so matter of fact about it. Like, this is how it's supposed to be.

Yeah.

Genocide and these huge horrible things that happen. They're all part of the, the, the, the plan, so to speak. Even though, again, here's where it gets complicated. There's not really a, a direct linear plan. Right. Like step one, step two, and then this we're gonna. And then we'll do this and that. It's not like that. It's more of an energetic. This is how we are going to. Or these are the. I hesitate to say lessons we're Going to learn. It's not that.

It's more like, I know I hate the word lessons. I know it takes me back to school and I know apps and.

I know, I know. It's more like this is the evolution we would like to have for ourselves and these are the myriad ways, the hundreds and thousands of like infinity ways that that could happen. And. Oh, cool. In that minute, that's what happened. In that minute. That's great. But on these, in these other dimensions, all these other ways happened. It's all happening at the same time. It's mind boggling, honestly.

It's like trying to stuff the intelligence of the universe into the head of a pin. And I'm, I'm the one who's the pinhead right here. Yeah.

Because.

Right. Like how do I interpret all of that? Taking all that information and, and, and, and squeezing it down into little tiny drops. You can kind of explain it, but you can't, you can't explain the whole thing because the pipeline is too narrow with our brains.

Yeah. And language is so limited, it's difficult to put into words. Right. Like, it's just so complicated. So.

Right.

And when people come and see me, they have these quite linear questions and it's so difficult to make it linear, but I give it a shot.

Yeah. Sometimes when I'm looking in people and I'm trying to ask a linear question, the answer I get is a texture or a sense that I cannot describe. And I hunt around, I'm like, it's like purple violets in an old vase with the window open and a breeze blowing that feeling. That's what they're saying.

No, exactly.

Person on the other end's like, okay.

I don't get it.

Yeah. But I'm like, there is no actual word for this sense.

There isn't. There isn't. And then, and then they're going, yeah. Do you mean that a breeze is going to come through and blow on the purple wallets in my house? I don't know. Right. They think it's literal, but it's, yeah, it's, it's so difficult to put in to words some of these sensations.

Yeah, I, I 100 agree. Okay, last question. And then I want everybody to know how to reach you because I think you're going to get a lot of emails from this. What about the person who says I was born into the wrong family? I mean, obviously they were a baby at one point. Right. And they either picked it or what, it's something accident.

I don't know.

They get Thrown into the wrong basket at the grocery store as the soul. Right, the soul basket. But, you know, everybody says, seriously wrong family. These are not my people have. What. What's your experience with that?

Oh, I. I think it's always the right people. I think it's always the right people. It's just a really uncomfortable sensation when you are evolving. It's really uncomfortable. Oh, I feel like sometimes, man, well, how am I this political affiliation, but my entire family is something else. I don't understand where I came from. It really does feel like that sometimes. But I still feel like there is something that in my family that I've. I've chosen to be there for a reason. Probably lots and lots and lots of reasons. Some big, some small. But yes, it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable to evolve. And sometimes I feel like people choose really difficult situations because they want to evolve like now, and they want to evolve like 20 light years ahead of other people. Right. So, like, I feel like the very difficult experiences. Why am I in this family? I don't understand. Why did I have that really terrible experience? I don't get it. I. I find that it's because this is a soul who knows they've got this and they are looking to evolve greatly.

Yeah. So biggest challenge, biggest gain, right? Yes, I've seen that too. I joke. A lot of very successful people have been through horrific things. Yes, awful. And I joke. I say, that's because you're the A student. You're going to enroll in the hardest classes. I mean, that's just what you do. Why is it so surprising to you? Y. Y. Which is a hard pill to swallow.

It is. It is. But I also say too, you know, I actually met with somebody one time who she was like, well, can I be done with that hard stuff? I'm like, yes, absolutely. You have free will. You can say, okay, I'm done. I'm done this life.

Yeah, uncle.

And you can be done.

Yeah. That's where we go back to that tricky question about what is sort of preordained or, you know, the contracts, quote, set up ahead of time versus outside of time. Contracts are being set up and broken every second. It's. Every moment is a new possibility. So maybe you want to stay with an original intention, but maybe you're completely ready to change it now. And I always say, if you've. If you've grown you and. And maybe you surpassed where you thought you'd be prior to incarnating. Well, I hope you've changed your mind by now. I hope you said no or I hope you've gone a different direction because that should be done. Yeah, gosh, you. And I see a lot like, my gosh, I'm hearing echoes of things I've thought and said and oh yes, we.

Could, we could go down the philosophical path forever. I know so much.

But I do have, I do love your specialty on, you know, the unborn and the, the babies because we do kind of put them in a different realm in a way. And they are, as you say, I mean, they are. It's sort of like the newly passed over their consciousnesses, but they're also in a different realm. They're in a holding space oftentimes before they get to move forward into, you know, whatever comes next, what it feels like. It's special, but it's also like, yeah, you're also just talking to another ancient being that you've probably known for a million dollar years and yeah, you're gonna get pregnant with them next year. Kind of like that. Yep, yep. Okay. I said it was last question. But I do have.

I'm here for you.

How do you connect with your child? Either that you are already growing inside you or your, your partner's growing or who hasn't yet arrived. Is there a way to do that, like as a regular person?

Oh, so fun. So fun. Okay. One of the things that I. So I have this very sciency left brain, like analytical I need evidence thing. I actually ask people because they usually want something tangible. Totally fine. They're not total, they're not willing yet to lean on their. Claire's right. So that's okay. That's fine. If you want something tangible. I like to encourage people to get specific, be open and then ask for that thing three, at least three times. So like, okay, if you ask for a blue butterfly and you see a blue butterfly, great. Can I get that twice more, please? And then see what happens. That's just really evidence or movement toward. I'm here. True communication, like back and forth communication that gets a little more complicated. But I do encourage people to use the pendulum at least. That's really fun. Just yes or no questions. If you just Google up how to use a pendulum, I'm sure you'll learn. But just using external evidence, that's one of the things I encourage folks to do. Just ask for that thing three times. There's a lot more that you can do. But we don't have time to talk. I know my favorite things to talk about.

I always say it's sort of like you Know, if you've, if you've lost like a parent, for instance, which a lot of us in our age group are starting to have happen to us. And you still talk with them. You still say, hey, mom, where are you? I want to talk with you. I would say, well, you could say, hey my child, hey my partner in, in going through life and I'll get to be the parent this time. But talk. Yes. So sometimes I encourage that as well, you know.

Oh, for sure. Come into my dreams. That's a, that's a good one. Some folks don't. It's interesting though, babies. Well, here's what I ask folks to do with dreams. Instead of looking for an actual baby, pay attention to the emotions that you have in your dreams because sometimes they won't show up as a baby. They'll show up as something else. There was one woman who had a dream about her baby sitting at a, at a bistro in France. And when I brought up France for her, she was like, oh my God, was that my baby? Yes, that was her. Were you sipping on this thing and eating these. Yes, we were. That's your baby. So pay attention to the emotions that you have and. Right. Write your dreams down, please.

Yeah, she's going to have a fun baby. That's all I can say if she's wearing a little beret and sipping a little espresso in France. Oh, okay, Maria, how. What happens in reading with you and how, how can someone get one?

Just go to my website, Dr. Maria Rothenberger.com be linked up I'm sure somewhere and follow the, the little tree to spirit baby readings. And what happens in a reading. I invite folks to do a little meditation with me to help me. It helps me get my brainwave activity down. But I also take a look at folks chakra systems, see if there' any adjusting that can be done there. I invite in the spirit baby realm and I also invite in other benign souls like angels, guides, ancestors, anybody who's associated with the babies to help foster communication in that way. And folks always leave with ways to communicate on their own as well as a recording. And other resources pop up too. Books, meditations. I just give, give, give here, give it all.

Yeah, yeah, wonderful. Okay, well, gosh, that wraps it up and I will have those links. I also have a website for you thereeluctant Medium us. Yep, that's another link also goes right there.

That's the podcast website.

Okay, podcast, please listen to our podcast everybody. Check it out. Reluctant medium. And is there anything else you wanted to share or that you're doing right now that people would be excited about?

Yes. Oh, some big stuff. There's two things actually on the podcast. If you want to start talking to your spirit babies, there's a series on Start talking to spirit babies. There's three parts. But the second thing that people might be interested in launching here in a couple weeks is Ethereal tv. I'll have a TV show, the Reluctant Medium on the Ethereal TV app. So check that out. Coming up soon. Yep.

That is awesome. You know, I think I just ran across that app like a week ago or so. Interesting. It's popping up on my radar. That's twice now in a week. So I'll look for that third. And there you go.

It's on its way to you, Summer.

All right. All right, Maria, thank you so much. This has been really wonderful. And we will talk again, I am sure.

Oh, I hope so. Thank you.

And there we have it. Wasn't that a fascinating journey down the rabbit hole into. Well, all the questions I've always wondered, wondered about. I hope we got you thinking some of our speculations, some of our experiences. I hope you also feel a dash of hope and a sense of rightness about everything. Like Maria kept saying, everyone, everything all at the right time. Sort of like that movie, right? What was that? Everything everywhere all at once. Yeah, it's kind of like.

Like that.

So I'll be back with more episodes of Flow Dreaming.

Occasionally, as you know, I like to.

Drop in these bonus episodes where I get to interview fascinating people. But you'll see me next week with another regular episode of Flow Dreaming. Until then, please, please do come visit my website, flow dreaming.com. i have tons of guided flow dreams there for you. Lots and lots of flow free stuff. I hope to see some of you in my amazing membership program. We Flow Dream. We do live workshops. We do all kinds of great stuff. Again, just go to flow dreaming.com and you'll find everything that you need. Last little whisper in your ear. I do private sessions and now might be a time to book one for you. As Maria and I were discussing, I too look into people. Doesn't matter who they are or frankly where they are, including you and where you're going in your life and what's getting in the way and what's coming up for you and what's in your flow. And you get a personalized private flow dream.

It's all recorded.

It's a wonderful experience. Just check it out. Go to my website, flowdreaming.com again. Reach out and book a yourself a session. I'd love to meet with you and talk with you. All right, I'll see you all later.

Lots of love.

Take care.

Bye now.

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