BONUS: Two Psychics Walk into a Bar…(An Intimate Discussion of What Working Psychics Experience) with Victoria Shaw

This is not how to become more intuitive or how to open or expand your abilities. Today's episode is actually a conversation between one working professional intuitive and another. It's insider stuff. I get to discuss all those more nuanced advanced topics like what it's like having and working with this ability. Your Psychic, Intuitive, Empathic Self if you want to hear two professional intuitives riff together about their talents, you're going to love this. It might even explain why you feel some of the ways you do help you understand how your intuitive nudges come through in your life, and maybe why sometimes you resist them or struggle to interpret them, as well as what it takes to successfully allow your own empathic intuitive sense to keep growing and deepening in you. This is is a dense, packed interview with my friend Victoria Shaw. Flow Dreaming Still Kinda Woo Woo is just what it sounds like. An escape into the world of woo. Also a ride into you and how to feel happier, wiser and more self aware in every way. It's your ultimate journey into personal growth and inner power. Will explore ideas like how your energy self influences the kinds of opportunities you encounter, or how your personal growth can drive your business growth, or even how that feeling of being stuck is really always coming from something else. We just have to figure out what. That's right. We're a dash of woo woo. A sprinkle of self care, a heap of problem solving and pattern busting, and a giant cup of encouragement. We're going to relight so much passion, purpose, self love and confidence in you that you practically stagger. I'm Summer McStravik, your host and welcome to Flow Dreaming. Still Kinda Woo Woo. Like I was saying, Victoria is a talented working professional intuitive. She's also an Ivy League trained therapist in psychology and counseling. She's been teaching intuition and spiritual development for over a decade and loves watching her clients and students align with their soul's gifts. She's also available for private intuitive readings. Victoria is the author of four self help books for parents, children and teens and the host of the Intuitive Connection podcast. Her website is victoriashawintuitive.com now let's jump in and get this fascinating conversation rolling. Victoria, it's so good to talk with you again. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? I'm excited.

Me too. For anybody wanting to know, Victoria interviewed me on her podcast Intuitive Connection a couple of weeks ago. So you can also pick up that episode and and also of course check out her podcast. Okay. All right, so you ready to dive in all about Intuition Everything intuition.

Today I am always ready to discuss everything intuition. It is my sweet spot.

Yes. So I was thinking, you know, from one intuitive to another, I want to ask you those questions that, you know, do you do the thing like I do or do I do the thing like you do? Or kind of like, kind of like go into that realm. But the very first thing is to introduce yourself to everyone. Can you talk about when you first claimed your intuitive abilities and maybe how your life may have changed as a result? I know you have an interesting background, so share a little.

That's such a good question. And I love your language when I claimed my intuitive abilities, because they were always there. They're there for everyone. You can't actually not be intuitive, but you can definitely be looking at everything but your intuition for guidance in your life. And I was one of those people growing up that was like, over the top intuitive. So I had every channel turned on at once and was pretty overwhelmed by it. But I also can look back retrospectively and recognize that, like, everything good that streamed into my life and everything I was ever really rewarded for, and people were like, wow, that's so insightful. All of those things I realize now are my intuition. So it was working really well for me and sometimes not so well for me. But it wasn't until my late 30s that I learned it was a thing, and I started to develop it intentionally. And it was at that moment when everything in my life absolutely, absolutely changed. And I started to realize again just how my intuition had been working for me all along and double down on it and really learn to use it more intentionally. And, you know, I think intuition is the gift that keeps on giving. So when we really start to tap into it and we start to make that our North Star and we start to follow those inner nudges more purposefully, we really can't go wrong. And for me, my life became just happier. And it's just I listen to my intuition now first and foremost for everything, and I just, I trust myself and my inner wisdom above all else.

Yeah. How do you. Oh, how do you, like, experience your intuition? How does it talk to you? Describe it?

So my intuition speaks to me in many, many ways. And it's funny because when I did my first little intuition development class many, many years ago, they were all about the visual sense. So they are all about visualize this and visualize that. And for me, that was sort of the last psychic sense to kick in. And it's still not primarily where I get. That was real interesting for me. Because it was really like that first nudge to tell me, you gotta do it your own authentic way and not the way other people think you should do it. And when I teach intuition development, I always teach like, how is it working for you now? Cause we all have our own unique gifts, but for me, the strongest intuitive sense that I've always had is knowing. Just. I know. I just know stuff. And I don't know how I know it, but I know it, and it's correct. And for me, it was knowing when I met my first husband, knowing on our second date that he was the one. I wasn't wishing that he was the one. It was, you know, I was a little bit freaked out, but I knew in my bones, oh, this is the guy I'm gonna marry. And I've had those experiences throughout my life. I'm also very kinesthetic, so I sense and feel energy. I can feel when something feels good. When something feels not so good, I can feel the energy of a place. I can feel the energy of a person. So that's a big one for me, too. And it's different than that kind of feeling emotions that when we talk about intuitive empaths, it's different from that. It's a real kinesthetic sense. And I think that's one that a lot of us have, but it doesn't get talked about a lot. And I also hear my guidance. So especially when I'm talking to my spiritual support team or using that more mediumship ability, I often hear guidance. It's not like information in the outside world, so I wouldn't confuse it with a voice. I wouldn't confuse it with your voice right now, but I kind of hear it in my head. And it's different than the chatty voice of, you know, of my mind and my inner critic. It feels very distinct and very different. And I can recognize it pretty clearly most of the time as my guidance. And then the last way that I receive and communicate a lot of information is through just talking and writing. So it just comes through me. So when I do my podcasts, they're mostly channeled. When I work with clients, you know, I mostly get out of the way, and the guidance will come through my mouth. And I'm very present and conscious. I'm not an unconscious channel. I am there. I am controlling the flow. But I do have the sense that something wiser is often speaking through my lips. And when I'm looking for guidance for myself, what I sometimes do is go on little hikes with my recorder. And talk to myself. And that is one of the most powerful ways I get out of my own head and hear my own guidance.

I'm just like, resonating with some. What you're saying. Especially when you started with the. I just know. And I was thinking how we often are taught, which of the five senses are you experiencing your intuition in? Are you seeing? Are you hearing? Is it clairsentience? Clairaudience, Claire. You know, and there is. I mean, literally, you call it the sixth sense. It's just the knowing sense. I mean, I. I put that in the same bucket as hearing, seeing, feeling, tasting, smelling, you know, touching. Touching and feeling, I guess, are the same. But anyway, I also relate to that with the. With the knowing. I think it's interesting, too. You know, you mentioned that you can really sort of tactile. You can kinesthetically feel things. You feel the energy when you walk in a room. I think a lot of us do that. We just typically dismiss it, or we downplay it, or we're so focused on our other senses that that one sense kind of gets shoved to the side and maybe ignored a little bit. Yeah, it's very interesting.

And I feel like it's one of the most powerful ones when you really tune into it. Cause the mind doesn't override it so much. You know, when we hear that voice in our head, or you get an idea, you know, those aha moments, which is also your intuition. A lot of that comes through mind, or it seems to come through mind. And so mind can get very loud around it. But those that felt sense, you know, it's very direct, and it bypasses all that mental chatter. And so I think it can be really powerful when we learn to tune into it. Yeah.

So we all have our own individual, distinctive combination of ways that information flows to us. You've got yours, I've got mine.

And we have unique gifts, too. You know, I think I always teach people, and I don't know what you do, but I often teach people, look where in your life you're experiencing flow. Look where in your life things come naturally to you. Those natural gifts that you have. Maybe you're really good at reading people or knowing who's gonna play well together, or you're really creative, or you're really at creating lectures or providing information in a way that people really understand it. I mean, it's infinite. But those kinds of things, those natural gifts that we all have and that we all flow into, that's your intuition at work. That's your soul expressing itself through you, which is what I think part of our intuition is. And so there's an endless amount of gifts that we have that our intuition shares with us, and it's 1000% unique for everyone. And so I love talking about the five Claires and the different ways that we experience our intuition, but sometimes I think those can be a little bit limiting because we don't recognize just the full range in which our inner wisdom expresses itself through us and through our lives.

Yeah, that's a really good point. That sometimes the things that we just take for granted as a skill set or a talent, there's actually something more to it. It's just another way of expressing and. Or receiving information, which is sort of what intuition is, in my opinion. Do you ever find that you will hear or know something and yet resist the hearing and knowing of it?

For me, not very often, but, you know, we all have blind spots, right? It's just part of being human for me. More and more, if I hear it, I listen. And my guides are really kind, too, around, you know, packaging things in such a way that they often give me information. I think they do this for everyone in sort of digestible little nuggets. So if something. If the whole bite might be too much, they'll give me a taste. They'll give me a taste, and they'll give me a bunch of tastes until I'm ready to really, okay, I'm comfortable with this. I can take a big bite. And for me, an example is I recently moved across country, and in the course of moving cross country, a lot of things about my life changed. But, you know, in about three or four years, it's been about five years now, I think, total. But, like, in, you know, the two or three years before I made that decision to move, I started hearing the whispers. I started hearing the whispers. I started to hear it's getting ready, it's getting on time to downsize, you know, And I felt into it, and I was like, is this the time? Like, you know, and I loved my house and I loved my life, so I needed a couple years to get used to it, to the idea. Then I would get this little whisper, like, it's time to move closer to the water. So, you know, I started looking at smaller houses by the water in Connecticut, and it still wasn't time, and it still wasn't right. And then, you know, somewhere in the summer of 2020, I was like, oh, I'm moving to California. Okay. And, you know, within six, six to eight months, I had signed the contract on my house here, you know, on the other coast. But it was that. That three years of nudges, you know, that. That got me ready and got me prepared. So I think that, you know, when we. When we let our intuition, we don't necessarily get those big chunks of information that we wanna resist, but resistance happens too. And my guidance is reminding me some situations there too. So it's just around being present with yourself and understanding too. You don't have to do anything that you don't wanna do that you're not ready to do. And you'll get multiple opportunities to do whatever your soul wants. And also, intuition is a moving target. I often understand that GUID is what's the highest course for us now, what's the truth for us in the now? Right? And the now is always changing. So if you. It's just like a GPS system. I think of intuition as our spiritual gps. And if you get off at the wrong exit, your intuition will guide you back. Or if you get off on the wrong exit and then you're like, ooh, this is interesting. I want to explore what's happening here. Your intuition will guide you through that. So even if you don't get the memo right away, it's always communicating with you. You're always on the path, and you just. It's just in that moment now you tune back in and you listen and you listen deeply and you'll find your way again.

This is reminding me of Your latest podcast, episode 162, why I'm a Psychic who doesn't tell the future. And I'm like, yes, ma', am.

I'm not a psychic.

You tell, please don't ask me for the future. But it's true. I mean, you can kind of feel like the leading edge. You can kind of feel where things are going. But often I hesitate to even tell people because I don't want to suddenly double down on that or influence it. I want them to still be making their own choices. Talk to me a little about that.

Oh, I love that. And thank you for listening. That was one of my favorite ones to record. Yeah. There's two reasons why I am not in the business of telling the future. Well, there's a lot of reasons, but the main one that you're sort of alluding to is we're creating our future all the time, right? That's how the law of attraction works. That is what we're here to do. We are expressing ourselves through this human experience. And so if somebody says to you, hey, this is going to happen, right. Then they are co creating that reality with you, especially if you believe them. And I don't want to be co creating someone's reality with them in a way that's not resonant or helpful for them. Right. So that's, you know, and I also don't want to give people's power away. And I feel like a lot of times when people go to a psychic and they want to know the future, what they want is reassurance, you know, or they want to give up their power and say, tell me what to do. And I'm not in the business of doing that, but I am. And the third reason that I hear you telepathically appraising me towards is that, oh, I lost my train of thought, but it will come back. And the other reason too is that, you know, the Future is not 100% known. It's not 100% known because we are creating it all the time. So even when someone goes to. Even when you go to a psychic that has that gift of precognition and occasionally, you know, I get those flashes, but it's just not primarily what I do. They're tuning into a probable reality based on the now. And you have free will, so, you know, that's not necessarily gonna happen. And so what I like to do instead and what my guides do for me instead is, you know, they help you navigate your life based on what's happening now. Right. What's the next best step for me? What's the direction I would like to head in? How do I deal with this experience that I'm having? Maybe this struggle or perceived challenge or, you know, how do I navigate my way through this now? And sometimes we do get glimmers of what's coming down the pipeline and sometimes those are help, but I just don't think it's the most helpful place to go. And oftentimes I feel that it can be a little unhelpful.

I 100% agree. I feel like you're preaching to the choir here.

I feel like you should just take.

Over my podcast and just. Cause you said all the things I would say. But yeah, because I think it's also that, you know, you and I both share that perspective of yes, you can co create, yes, you can manifest, but yes, you can also receive information. And the receiving of information for me is, you know, that's the intuitive extra. I always call it the extra layer. Like, wouldn't you like to know the extra layer of information about this choice or this Direction or what you're trying to create. And yet when you go and you see an intuitive or a psychic, and like you just said, they're like, okay, this is gonna happen, that's gonna happen. It is, it's a power drain. It takes the power right away from you. Suddenly this thing will happen to you, you are no longer happening to it. And so I feel exactly the same. And that's kind of the weird and delicate balance, beautiful balance between manifesting and sort of getting information or gaining information. I think the key, like you said, is to absolutely use it now, like where do I want to go now that I know this or these possible potentials?

Absolutely. And intuition is your best guess, is your best gift for manifesting too. Those two things go hand in hand, right? You tune into your intuition, you tune into your inner being, you see where it wants to take you, and then you take those steps and you start to create that. And sometimes you find yourself looking at something that you don't like so much and you tune back into your inner wisdom and you say, okay, show me how to reorient. So there's that constant feedback loop between what we've created, what we want to create. And so we talked about this when you were on my show. It's like the yin and the yang, right, of the receiving and then the expressing and the receiving and the expressing. And that's that beautiful balance between our intuition, our creative potential.

Exactly. Okay, I'm going to shift gears here real quick because we kind of touched on a little bit like with power. But I think a lot of intuitives, they go on a journey of really not just opening their intuition, but they have to open up something else as well. Their inner worth, their ability to own what they know and feel. So I feel like intuition is like a two sided gift. Not only do you get to know stuff and feel and have that other layer, but you're almost required to step up in order to go back to the very first question, claim it. Have you noticed that that inner worth and intuitive ability go hand in hand? And if you claim one, is it easier to claim the other?

I mean, I love that. It's definitely been that journey for me. And I definitely feel that for me, spiritual personal development went hand in hand with awakening my intuition. I mean, it's really the same thing. I do think some people have psychic gifts that aren't super awoke, that aren't super in touch with their worth, that are doing it a lot more from a place of ego. So I don't just you know, I don't think someone who necessarily has this. We all have this multisensory awareness. Some of us are just really good at accessing it. I don't think that's proof alone that you are really tuning into your deeper inner wisdom. And I make a distinction between those two things. They work on the same channels. But your inner wisdom is coming from the highest source possible. And I don't think all psychic experience necessarily is. So I just want to make that distinction. But, yeah, when we're really, you know, intuition in the highest sense is the voice of your soul. It's the voice of your spirit. And so the more that you align with that. And your spirit is all loving, right? Your spirit is who you really are. So the more that you walk in your authentic self, and the more that you do own your own worth, and the more that you align with that, the more it's going to flow. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Like I said, it will guide you there to really knowing and owning and loving yourself more deeply, more completely. And at the same time, the more that you do that, the more you'll align with your deepest knowing.

Yeah, you just touched on that. I had a flash of, you know, having walked into many, many intuitives and psychics over the years and sat down for a reading, and they'll say something, and my whole body goes, ugh, why did you say that? I didn't want to hear that. You know, and the alarm bells start going off. And it's at that point in the reading, I'm like, I don't know where you're getting this from, but I don't like it. Yeah, Yeah.

I start off every session, especially with a new client. Well, always with a new client. I start off every session reminding people that the way that I see what I do is connecting with your inner guidance. It's coming through my lips. But you have all the answers within you, right? We all do. We all have our own answers. And just sometimes it's really nice when we play with other people, right. Because sometimes we do get stuck looking at. Only at the tip of our own nose. Sometimes we do have those blind spots. Sometimes we do need someone that's maybe a little further on the path in a certain respect to wake us back up and help us hear our guidance more deeply. But I always tell every client, my job is to receive your guidance. For you, it comes through my lips. There's nothing that your soul doesn't know that mine knows. I mean, my soul doesn't Let me rephrase that. You know everything within, right? Like, I don't know something in the highest sense that you don't. That's why it's coming through my lips. And it's your job to tune in and feel what resonates. And that's the trick, to feel what resonates. So I kind of tell people, essentially, in order for me, to give you your intuition, use your intuition. But we know what resonates. We really do know what resonates deeply with us, and that's where your power is. So I tell people, if I say something and it doesn't land, let it go. Let it go. I might not be getting it right, you might not be hearing it right. It doesn't matter. But if it doesn't resonate, it's not right for you right now.

Yeah, that makes me think about interpretation. Sometimes we receive stuff and we want to interpret it very clear, but there's always a little human bias that pops in. And sometimes I think, I got the feeling, but how do I interpret this exactly? Does it belong in this situation or that situation? And sometimes you have to look a little bit or you'll say it, and you're interpreting one way, and then your client will say, oh, my gosh, I hear you. It's about actually this. And I'm like, oh, there you go. You got it.

Yes, Yes. I love that. And that's why we have to get out of our ego when we do what we do, right? Because sometimes there have been times when I've given messages to people that I have no idea what I just said. I'll see an image or words will come through, and I have no idea. Sometimes my guides play this little trick on me where I have a decent vocabulary but not an endless one, and a word will come out of my mouth, and I'm like, I don't know what that word is, but let's look it up. So, you know, like, yeah, there's that interpretation piece. And there's also, again, sometimes you're just the channeler, that you always are just the channeler, the vehicle for giving someone else their information. And even people that are unconscious, channels. It's been explained to me that it always comes through a filter. It always comes through a filter. It can't not. And that filter is actually a beautiful thing. My guides remind me, because that is your perspective, and that's what you're here to share. So love the heck out of that filter, but also understand that it's there. And depending on where we're Sometimes that filter is muddier, you know, and then sometimes that filter is more, you know, clean and beautiful. But there's always a filter there. There's always a filter there, and we have to honor it. And the other thing, Summer, that you said that I would love to, you know, riff on a little bit is that, you know, there always is that interpretation. And sometimes I think it's really important that we don't rush in too soon to interpret it. That we don't rush in too soon. And I often teach people to, you know, take spiritual teachings and take their intuition with a. So. Right. Because if we rush in too soon to figure out all those fine details, we often lose it. We often distort it. And again, it comes sometimes in those little breadcrumbs. Like the example that I gave about moving. If I had immediately gone and said, well, I gotta downsize that my intuition says I have to sell my house tomorrow. If I hadn't listened softly to it, I probably would have ended up in some smaller house in Connecticut and still had to move, right? And things lined up perfectly. I mean, the moment we sold our house, it was when everyone was running from New York City to escape, you know, all the craziness of 2020. My house was worth, like, finally worth what I paid for it in 2016. Like, everything lined up perfectly. But, you know, if you try to figure it out too soon, sometimes, you know, you overthink and you lose it. So. But there's that as well.

Sometimes you want to figure it out so soon, I can't tell you how many times I will get a hint. And I'm like, oh, come on, give. Give me the whole thing. Give me the whole tamale. I don't want this series of hints. You just leave me hanging and I'll get a hint and I'll get. In fact, there's something in my life right now. Every time I pull a tarot card, it's like the same set. And it's been this way for, like, three years now. And I keep saying, okay, about what? Okay when. Okay, give me more. You're showing me the same darn thing.

You know, And I just.

I want to push my intuition. It's the opposite of I think what you're saying.

But there's such a magic in sitting in that space of the unknown, which is just. It's the most magical place to be. That is the place that everything is created from. Believe it or not. Just your mind wants to fill it really fast with anything, something. Cause we haven't been taught to trust it. We haven't been taught to be comfortable there. But that is where the magic of creation comes from and through. And the other point is that if we act too soon, you know, life is an experiential realm. Like with this earth thing that we do, we learn, grow. It's through experience. The mind wants to know now, but sometimes we don't know until we've had the series of experiences that reveals it to us. So that patience becomes really, really, really helpful when we can have it and when we can't have it. Because I got some things in my life I'm not super patient about either. That's when I just sit with myself and give myself a whole lot of self love and soothing and be like, I know, sweetie, I know you want to know right now, but you know you don't get to and you don't really want to. And I love you so much.

That is speaking directly into the question, what is the actual purpose of intuition? So often we focus on how do I open my intuition or how do I develop it. Why do we even have it in the first place and what are we really supposed to be doing with it?

Best question ever. It's your spiritual guidance system. You come into this human skin within the first seven years of life. You forget everything that your spirit knows. Because the world is designed that way and we are untaught. So many of the valuable things that our soul knew coming down here to Earth or it's not down into this human experience, this human realm. And your intuition is the part of you, that connection to the part of you that hasn't forgot. And so it's that reconnection to your magic. It's the reconnection to your joy. It's the reconnection to your purpose. It's the reconnection to everything that is wonderful about you. It is your guidance system. And it's also, I wanna get this right from the guides. It's also the way that your soul can fully express itself through this human experience. So the more that we tune into that inner being, to our intuition, to our higher, truer self, right? The more that we get the most and we bring the most of our true, authentic selves to this human experience, which is what you're here to do. So that's the way that I think about it. It can be a parlor trick too. People teach, like, I love it when I get an intuitive hit and someone's like, oh my God, you told me this was gonna happen. Or you told Me this about this person, and it was true. My ego loves that. And it's exciting when it happens, but it's kind of not the point. Cause my intuition is so much more than that.

Yeah, I agree. You do teach people, speaking of which, how to open their intuition, how to establish this connection. Can you tell me a little about your work and what you do with people and you have a community, et cetera?

Yeah. So I've been doing intuition development work with folks pretty much out of the gate pretty much since mine awakened, you know, and by awakened, I mean I just. I just, you know, learned what was happening already, and then I learned to do it more. And that's what I teach people. So what I help people to do is recognize their own innate and unique gifts, because we all have them. And once we start to tune into how it's already happening for us, it grows. Right. Cause what we pay attention to grows. We know that. And then there's also some things that get in the way. So we can start to look at what gets in the way and how to redirect away from those things and become clearer, more purposeful. But again, intuition is the gift that keeps on giving. So as long as we keep. As we keep orienting ourselves in that direction, you know, it takes care of itself, Life takes care of itself. And, you know, it's the path of least resistance. Right. It'll just keep showing you what the next best steps are for all aspects of your life. So I have this new community, started it just in March. It's in conjunction with the podcast. And it's something I'm really excited about. Cause it gives me the opportunity. You know, as a podcaster, I love putting out those episodes every week, and I love getting feedback from listeners. But it's not an interactive experience. Experience. It's not an interactive experience. So what the Intuition Connection premier community lets me do is it lets me really have that interactive experience with people. And so we do a lot of intuition development work. We do a lot of exploration of the topics that come through during the podcast. And the other thing that we really do in that group, because everyone has been asking for it forever, is we build community. Because I think we really need that right now. I think so many people are awakening and so many people are just, you know, they're getting the call of, you know, there's a big change in this world and I wanna be part of it, and I'm ready to be part of it. And I'm ready to uplevel my life. And I'M ready to live with more joy and I'm ready to live with more purpose. I'm ready to love myself more deeply. I'm ready to be more intuitive. I'm ready to, like, you know, consciously create the life of my dreams. And, you know, we want the information on that, but we also want a community of people that are on that same path. Right. Because a lot of us haven't had that so much yet and so much before. So we also do a lot of community building so that we can really support each other.

Nice. It's wonderful when you find a group that you really kind of click with and you can just feel so free to just spill your feelings, spill your intuition, you know, your intuitive hits and you know that everybody around you isn't judging you. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're, like, struggling to put it into words, they're like, I get it, so am I. It's like so comfortable.

Oh, and we know we're not alone. And also we have that safe container to start to explore, like you said, because so many of us had the experiences early in life when we knew something intuitively and we went to the people in our world, the important people in our world, and naively said, I know this thing. And they said, no, you don't, or no, you can't, or how do you know that? And we shut it down. And so oftentimes we need that safe container to wake it back up with people that understand and are on the same path and are now learning to do that too.

Yeah. God, that sentence you just said, you don't know that. I had this flash of so many, especially women who have heard that their whole lives, they'll say something and somebody else, you know, maybe more powerful in their life or family will say, you don't know that. And I think that's the beginning of that self doubt that creeps in. What do you mean? Oh, I guess maybe I don't know that. Maybe I shouldn't trust that, that. And it becomes a process of sort of unwinding that or coming back from that when you start to really wake up and again, claim it. To go back to that very first question. Yeah.

And it's. And you know, your intuition is also your inner wisdom for you. You know, as we get in touch with our feelings, as we get in touch with our desires, all of that stuff that oftentimes we are taught to stuff down. Right. That also awakens that inner wisdom. So I love that you said, well.

Victoria, thank you it's been an awesome like this. This half hour has flown. Like, just glancing at the clock, I'm like, what? It's been a half an hour. For anybody who wants to book with you, they can do that right through your website, right? Victoriashawintuitive.com yes, ma'. Am.

Everything. You'll find everything there.

Fabulous. Well, I'm sure you'll get a few inquiries after this wonderful interview. Thank you so much. It was a totally delightful and wonderful reading. Riffing about one of my favorite subjects, too.

Likewise. Thank you so much, Summer. This has been so much fun.

And there you have it. A little peek inside the conversation between two professional intuitives. I hope that piqued your interest and maybe you will think about some of the feelings and hunches and knowings that you have. And as always, my mission on our show is to open you, right? To open you up, to open your mindset, your personal growth, to help you think about new things, gain new knowledge, learn stuff. And I think today really hit the mark. That said, all of this discussion about empathic intuition, did you know that? Well, I guess you kind of do know. I've been mentioning it for a little bit now. But me school is enrolling. It is my seminal program. It is my flagship. It is the best thing since sliced bread. If you're a person who's truly seeking to pivot, transform, know yourself, discover what your highest potential is and make some really big, profound changes in your life, like really go bigger or at least unleash the ability to do so finally. Well, MI school also encompasses several segments of empathic intuitive development work. And I kind of, you know, put it in about three quarters of the way through the program because, yes, we focus a lot on manifesting and healing and patterns and blocks and, you know, really understanding what we're going for and learning how to craft it. But if you don't get that extra layer of information, you're working with only half of what you could be working with. So that's why in MI school, I will be giving you some of my personal tricks. And tricks isn't even a good way to say it. Techniques. I mean, they're things I just do all the time to grow and develop and understand what I'm hearing, why I'm hearing it, how I'm hearing it, and what it means. So I teach you things like how to pre pave conversations with people energetically before you ever have a real conversation with them. How to get in touch with your only yes, no, maybe knowing, so you can really get some answers. All kinds of stuff. Anyway, if that sounds fascinating to you, just head on over to flowdreaming.com meschool that's meschool and check it out. I would love to talk with you and see what we can do for you in your life. New level we can take you too because it is pretty darn extraordinary. All right, lots of love my chickadees. I will see you on the next episode of Flow Dreaming. Still kinda woo woo. So this show is in its 19th season. 19 years folks. Which means if you want to see Baby Sleep, Summer and all that she was obsessed about you. Can I just put 10 seasons of archives up into Apple Podcasts and at the moment there's a seven day free trial. This means you can binge to your heart's delight. You'll hear hundreds of Flow Dreams, all kinds of specialized manifesting topics. So much all you do is go to Apple Podcasts on your iPhone or get the Apple Podcasts app on any phone. Or even just google the search words. Apple Podcasts, Flow Dreaming. Anyway, it was a big endeavor, but I'm so happy to re release so many hundreds of episodes for you. Check it out.