119: A Detailed Guide How to Live Life The Gentle Way. "Mind Over Muscle", by Jigoro Kano

This is Jocko, podcast number 119 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

On September 11, 400 miles from the collapsed World Trade center towers, three dozen passengers and crew aboard United Flight 93 remained in airborne purgatory.

Starting at 9:30am for some 30 minutes, 14 of them managed to telephone either loved ones or operators on the ground.

Public relations man Mark Bingham got through to his aunt's home in California. This is Mark, he began, I want to let you guys know that I love you. In case I don't see you again.

Then I'm on United Airlines Flight 93. It's being hijacked.

Two other callers from the plane not only provided information, but also gleaned vital news from those they phoned. Tom Burnett, chief operating officer for a medical devices firm, made a number of brief calls to his wife Dina.

Speaking quietly, he asked her to contact the authorities and told her that a male passenger had been stabbe later that he had died.

A woman, perhaps a flight attendant, was being held at knifepoint, and the hijackers claimed they had a bomb.

Jeremy Glick, a salesman for an Internet services company, also managed to phone. In a long conversation with his wife, Liz, Glick said the hijackers had put on these red headbands and they said they had a bomb. They looked Iranian.

The bomb was in a red box, he said.

The couple told each other how much they loved each other.

Glick said, I don't want to die.

And his wife assured him that he would not.

She urged him to keep a picture of her and their 11 week old daughter in his head, to think good thoughts.

Burnett's wife, who had been watching the news on television, told him that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center. My God, he responded, it's a suicide mission.

By the time he phoned a third time, after news of the crash into the Pentagon, she told him about that too.

Burnett seems to have been seated beside Glick and apparently relayed all this information to him.

Were they to do nothing, the two men must have agreed. They were sure to die anyway. When the hijackers crashed the plane.

They resolved to fight for their lives.

A group of us, Burnett told his wife, are getting ready to do something. I'm going to take a vote, glick said on his call. There's three other guys as big as me, and we're thinking of attacking the guy with the bomb.

So began the minutes of brave resistance, the clearly defined act of courage that has lived on in the national memory.

Glick and others were equipped in more ways than one to confront the hijackers. Glick was 6 foot 1 and a former college judo champion. Burnett, at 6 foot 2, had played quarterback for his high school football team. Mark Bingham was a huge man, 6 foot and at 31, still playing rugby. A few years earlier, he had fended off a mugger who had a gun. His mother got the impression as he talked from Flight 93 that her son was talking confidently with a fellow passenger. She felt that maybe someone had organized a plan.

At 9:42, a GTE Verizon supervisor based near Chicago began handling a call from yet another powerfully built Flight 93 passenger.

Todd Beamer, a star Oracle software salesman, was married with two sons, and his wife was expecting again.

He first dialed his home number, but either failed to get through or thought better of it. Instead explaining that he did not want to upset his pregnant wife, he asked the phone supervisor, Le Lisa Jefferson, to pass along a loving message.

As they talked, Beamer suddenly exclaimed, shit. Oh, my God. We're going down. Jesus help us.

From the passengers around Beamer came prolonged shrieks of terror.

Then he said, no, wait, we're coming back up. I think we're okay.

Shaken, Beamer asked Jefferson to say the Lord's Prayer with him. Our Father, who art in heaven.

Just before Beamer and the operator had begun talking, Cleveland lost. Cleveland control lost Flight 93's transponder, the signal that indicates an airplane's location and altitude. At 9:55, the hijacker pilot said a navigational aide relating to the plane's direction he was heading. It indicated.

For Washington, D.C.

Jeremy Glick, still on the phone to his wife. Liz said, I know I could take this guy with the bomb. Then, joking, he had mentioned that the hijackers had knives. I still have my butter knife from breakfast.

Todd Beamer, continuing his conversation with the GTE supervisor, Jefferson told her that he and a few others were getting together to jump the guy with the bomb.

Was he sure that that was what he wanted to do? Yes, came the response. I'm going to have to go out on faith.

I don't have much of a choice.

The plane was flying erratically again. Operator Jefferson heard the sounds of an awful commotion. Raised voices, more screams, then, are you guys ready?

And Todd Beamer's voice saying, let's roll.

A phrase that in family life, he'd like to use to get his children moving.

Okay. Jeremy Glick, cold, told his wife, Liz, I'm gonna do it. His wife told him he was strong and brave. And that she loved him.

Okay, he said again, I'm gonna put the phone down, I'm gonna leave it here, and I'm gonna come right back to it.

Liz handed the phone to her father, ran to the bathroom and gagged.

Flight attendant Sandra Bradshaw was in the galley boiling water for the passengers to throw on the hijackers. On the phone to her husband, she signed off quickly. Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye.

The cockpit voice recorder registered the moment the hijackers realized what was happening. At just before 9:58, a hijacker asks, is there something. A fight? There's a knock on the door, followed by the sounds of fighting. Then in Arabic, let's go, guys. Allah is the greatest. Allah is greatest. Oh, guys. Allah is greatest. Oh, Allah. Oh, Allah. Oh, the most gracious.

Then loudly, stay back.

A male voice, a native English speaking voice that Tom Burnett's wife has recognized as that of her husband, is heard saying in the cockpit, in the cockpit. Followed by voice exclaiming in Arabic, they want to get in here.

Hold, hold.

From the inside.

Hold.

Then from several English speakers, in unison, hold the door. And then from a single English speaker, stop him. Followed repletedly by, Sit down, sit down. Then again from an English speaker, let's get them.

Flight 93, now down to 5,000ft, had begun rolling left and right.

Jeremy Glick's father in law, listening intently on the phone his daughter had handed to him, now heard screams in the background.

On the cockpit voice recorder, there is the sound of combat continuing. Then in Arabic, there is nothing. Shall we finish it off? No, not yet. When they all come, we finish it off.

Then from Tom Burnett, I am injured. The flight data recorder indicates that the plane pitched up and down, climbed to 10,000ft. Turn.

Glick's father in law, phone clapped to his ear, heard more shrieks, muffled now, like those of people riding on a roller coaster.

In Arabic, on the voice recorder, oh, Allah. Oh, Allah. Oh, gracious.

In English, in the cockpit.

If we don't, we'll die.

In Arabic, up, down. Up, down, up, down.

From a distance, perhaps from Todd Beamer, Roll it.

Crashing sounds, Then in Arabic, allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?

Yes, put it in and pull it down.

Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Up, down, up, down, up, down. More violent noises for as long as a minute. And then, apparently from a native English speaker, shut them off. Go, go. Move, move. Turn it up.

Then in Arabic, down, Down. Pull it down. Pull it down. Down.

Apparently from an English speaker. Down. Push. Push. Push. Push, Push.

In Arabic hey. Hey. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.

Intermittent loud air noise on the cockpit recorder.

Moments later in Arabic Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.

There's sounds of further struggle and a loud shout from a native English speaker. No.

Two seconds later, in Arabic in a whisper now.

Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.

Jeremy Glick's father in law, still listening on the ground, heard high pitched screams coming over the line Glick had left open when he left the join to join the rush to the cockpit.

Then wind sounds followed by banging noises as though the phone aboard the plane was repeatedly being banged on a hard surface.

After that.

Silence on the phone.

Silence on the cockpit voice recorder.

And that is an excerpt from a book called the Eleventh Day, which came out in 2011 by.

Anthony Summers and Robin Swan.

And we all know what that silence meant.

Flight 93 crashed into a field near the Diamond Tea Mine in Stony Creep township, Somerset County, Pennsylvania, killing 33 innocent passengers.

Seven innocent crew members.

And four demonic hijackers.

That day changed.

My world. And it changed our world, the world as we knew it.

And it commenced years and years.

And years of war that has cost.

So many lives.

And at some point on this podcast.

I'm sure we'll go into more details about the horrors of September 11th.

You'D probably be multiple podcasts. But for today, I wanted to focus on.

One aspect of one part of the life of one man on that flight. The man named Jeremy Glick.

Who.

By all accounts was an amazing human being.

Son and a husband and a father.

But for those of us.

Who fight or who train martial arts in general, something caught our ears when we heard about the heroics on Flight 93.

We heard that Jeremy Glick was a martial artist, that he was a wrestler and that he was a judoka.

And as a wrestler, he was an competitive all state wrestler for Saddle River Day School in Northern New Jersey. And if you know anything about New Jersey wrestling, it's an extremely competitive wrestling state. And beyond that, as a judo player.

Glick was an American national collegiate judo champion.

While he was a student at the University of Rochester.

And In September of 2008.

Seven years after the incident, September 11, there was a memorial ceremony.

At the crash site in Pennsylvania and the United States Judo association placed a granite stone there as a memorial with an inscription on it.

And the inscription reads, the United States Judo association promote promoted Jeremy Glick to the highest rank of black belt for living the principle of judo.

Mutual welfare and benefit, sacrificing his life for our country. September 11, 2001.

Living the principle of judo. And that's a bold statement.

It indicates something very powerful and very meaningful.

And as a patriot and as a martial artist, and specifically as a Jiu Jitsu practitioner, which is where judo was derived from, I wanted to explore a little deeper into the principles of judo to see what we can learn from it.

And I don't want to go into the full details of explaining the relationships between Jiu Jitsu and judo, but it is a very close relationship.

It was one of Jigoro Kano's top students, and Kano's the creator of judo. But Ma that brought Jiu Jitsu to Brazil from Japan and introduced Jiu Jitsu to Carlos and Elio Gracie. And that's the beginning of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as we know it today. And Maida even called it Jiu Jitsu. He didn't call it judo. And from what I understand at that time, even Kano had not been actually calling it judo in Japan. He hadn't renamed it yet. He was still calling it Jiu Jitsu. And some people were calling it Kano Jiu Jitsu or Kodokan Jiu Jitsu. But Jiu Jitsu, especially Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, is without question rooted in judo. And if you trace it back just a little bit further, Judo is also rooted back into Jiu Jitsu. That's where judo came from. Judo came from Jiu Jitsu.

And mixed in with all that, there's all kinds of evolution, and there's changes and there's politics and there's history, but there's that thread that ties them all together. And that thread can be recognized in many of the principles that are shared both in judo and in Jiu Jitsu.

The same principles that played a role in Jeremy Glick's attitude on that.

Clear sunny September day.

And perhaps we can all learn something from those principles. And to look at those principles, I thought it would be best to go to the source. And I have a book called Mind Over Muscle that is.

It's a compilation of writings from Jigoro Kano. And Kano was a very interesting person. He was an educator. He was a pioneer in sports. He worked with the Olympic committee. He was a Jiu Jitsu practitioner, eventually founded Judo. And he founded the most famous judo school, the original judo school, the Kodokan. And the book, like I said, as you can tell by the title, it's a compilation of different sources of his writings. And there's a little bit of overlap and repeat, and I'll do a little bit of that. But what I like about it is it gives a good overall view of the ideas and the vision that Kano had for Judah.

So I know there's a lot of judo practitioners out there and obviously a lot of Jiu Jitsu practitioners out there that listen to the podcast, and everyone knows that these two are closely related. And sometimes there's.

I guess you'd say, tension between the two. Sometimes.

But the fact of the matter is they're so closely related that it's. It'd be more. It'd be more intelligent instead of look for the tension between the two to find where the two can complement each other.

So here we're going to the book, and once again, the book is Mind Over Muscle Writings from the founder, Judo.

Cato. And here we go. To start it off, the purpose of Jiu Jitsu. See, interestingly, he starts this off talking about Jiu Jitsu. He's not even talking about judo yet. The original purpose of Jiu Jitsu was to practice a method of combat. While combat may have been at the core of Jiu Jitsu practice, it also had the related goals of physical education and mental training. There is little dispute that because training to fight involves moving the body in various ways, Jiu Jitsu indirectly became a form of physical education. But for the same reason, it also became a method for training the mind.

All forms of combat require ingenuity and the use of various tricks and devices. So all forms of combat. All forms of combat. This is important.

Because if you're a soldier or you're a marine, or you're an airman, right now we're talking about everything that you do. And I'll tell you what, if you're a business person, we're talking about what you're doing too. All forms of combat require ingenuity and the use of various tricks and devices. So in the course of Jiu Jitsu training, the mind is unconsciously trained in many ways. Courage, composure, composure, and other traits that are beneficial in life can also be developed. Now, I'll tell you what, this is important because people ask me a lot like.

You know, how'd you figure all this stuff out, jocko? Like, people ask me that, and, you know, I always try and explain, you Know, like, it was a long course, and I was in the military for a long time, and I had an open mind, and I listened to, paid attention to the people that were leading me, and I paid attention to the good ones, and I paid attention to the bad ones. But I'll tell you, if I didn't, Jiu Jitsu opened my mind up and did these things. And again, unconsciously, like, I started to perceive things the way that I was learning Jiu Jitsu. And that's why. And I've got some. I've got, you know, I've got friends that I've gotten into Jiu Jitsu over the years, and you can tell. And I don't know what makes some people get the bug and some people don't get the bug, but if you get the bug and you start to think in a Jiu Jitsu mindset, then you'll. It'll really open up your mind. Now, that being said, there's some people that are heavily into Jiu Jitsu, but they don't apply Jiu Jitsu to the other aspects of their life, which is a big mistake. It's a big mistake. You got to apply it both ways. And I think that's one of the things that Kano was trying to do with Judah, was to ensure that you did that, to ensure that his students did that.

All right, back to the book. It was my belief that with a few improvements, Jiu Jitsu could become a comprehensive method of physical education, intellectual training, and moral education. I therefore spent several years developing my ideas and finally established the Kodakon Judo. I did this by thoroughly researching the Jiu Jitsu that had existed up until the time. Up until that time, as much as possible, keeping what I felt should be kept, discarding what I felt should be discarded, thoroughly studying the techniques and theories and establishing them in a way that would be most applicable to today's society. He's not even talking about just combat. He's talking about, like. He's not talking about fighting. He's, like, talking about applying these things to society.

So there's a little bit of. I think he was young when he did this, too. He established the Kodakon at a very young age. I want to say he was, like, 22 years old. He was really young. So he studied Jiu Jitsu, thought some things were good about it, thought some things were bad about it, and said, I'm going to make my own deal.

Now, here we talk a little bit here. There were. There were various reasons why I chose not to use the term Jiu jitsu, which described what was ordinarily practiced and instead employ the name judo. The main reason was that do the do part of judo, it means way.

Is the major force, is the major focus of what the Kodakon teaches, whereas do jitsu skill is incidental. I also wanted to make it clear that judo was a means of embarking on the way. So he saw this as like a complete, a complete life system. Right? Not, not just fighting. This is the way. Judo is the way for him. And that's why instead of calling it Jiu Jitsu, he called it, you know, not, not tick techniques, but like the way.

Right.

Back to the book. When we talk about Jiu jitsu today, people often think of a technique in which one does only dangerous things, such as choking an opponent and bending his joints, or even in extreme cases, killing him. Essentially we think of something that is harmful to the whole, to the body while offering no benefits. True, Jiu Jitsu does not espouse this. In particular, the Kodokan Judo I devised never involves doing anything dangerous. I cannot stress enough that what I advocate is far from a violent or dangerous sport.

Now.

Sure, I understand the principle there, but just so everyone knows, judo doesn't play around, if you've gone with a high level judo player, you are getting thrown hard and aggressively onto your head. Yeah, it's, it's a brutal sport. It's, it's very aggressive.

Yeah. Do you think that that's how or that's what? Because when it comes down to the essence, it's kind of like, and this is just me totally guessing where judo. Well, as it is now, it's like, okay, the goal is basically to put the guy on his back. That's it. Put him down on the ground. Not to hit him, not to knock him, not put him on the ground. Right. Just kind of seems okay. That's not really violent. That's kind of the little friendly competition. Put him on the ground. Now with any competitive situation, guys are going to get after it and it slowly just evolves into all these crazy things.

It doesn't evolve, it escalates.

Escalates even just the whole way. So even consider like basketball, for example, the goal, put that ball in that basket. That's it, you can go from here, come close, lay up, whatever. Then you, you get this competitive drive, these people, athletic abilities, all this stuff. Now it's turning into weird slam dunks. Now, bruh, you didn't have to slam dunk that thing. But it's still the Same thing putting the ball, you know, in the thing, just in this weird aggressive.

I guess. Yeah, I guess, Yeah, I guess A layup compared to a tomahawk slam dunk, right?

Yeah.

And if you compare a, let's say some sort of a basic takedown compared to like a full ippon.

I could see your. I could see your comparison.

See what I'm saying?

There's an escalation.

Yeah.

And then in his mind he was like, hey, look, this is just a takedown.

Yeah.

You tell that to a 21 year old judo competitor, that's got you in the air. That ain't just a takedown. You're gonna pay the man.

Yeah, exactly. Right. Just like, you know, a basket. A basket, you know. Oh yeah, he made that basket. No, but he slammed on you and, you know, embarrassed you in front of it, you know, like it goes into this whole different realm. But the essence is still there, though.

Just a basket just to take down.

Yeah.

All right, here we go. Back to the book. The organization of Kodakon Judo is basically the same today as it was when I established it. But at that time, when explaining judo, I divided it into three parts. Its use as a fighting method, martial art, as a training method, physical education, and as a method of mental training, including the development of the intellect and morals, and the application of the principles of judo to everyday life. See, this is, again, this is what's interesting to me is. And he said it was subconscious. Like I subconsciously, especially in the beginning with Jiu Jitsu. And I'll tell you, it was beyond just me applying Jiu Jitsu to like my life and to what I had learned about combat. I also took what I had learned about combat and applied that into Jiu Jitsu. Right. Like I said, oh yeah, you know, this is like when you flank someone, right?

Yeah.

Like, even, even when I first learned, one of the. One of the biggest wake up calls that you get early in Jiu Jitsu is like, oh, what I need to do is attack your neck. And when you defend your neck, I take your arm.

Right?

That's a flank. Right. That's just a straight up flank. That's. That's a game changer. Like, that's a complete game changer. When you realize that that's a complete game changer.

The.

There's a SEAL buddy of mine that have been training. When I first started out, he'd been training for like a year. No, but he'd been training off and on kind of bits and pieces. And so then I started training Hardcore, like every day. So after like two weeks, like literally two weeks, I went and trained with him and I. And I got him like a bunch of times and I was all pumped up and. And I said to him, I was like, hey, you know what? The mistake that you're making is you're trying. You're going for my arm, and I know you're going for my arm, and I know how to defend that. I was like, you got to go for something else. And then like a week later, we rolled again. And he got me. He did what I told him to do to me.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh, dang. You know, oh, dang. So that was a big wake up call. That's a big. Not even. It's. It's a revelation when you realize, oh, you've got to do. You got to set. You got to flank the person.

Yeah.

That's what you have to do.

Yeah.

Big wake up call.

So crazy when you see two people rolling and all they're doing is flanking each other and you're flanking the flank.

Yeah. But what's interesting is as I started working with like leaders and teaching about leadership, how important the idea of what flanking is from a leadership and a human interaction perspective. Another sit. You gotta flank people. You want to attack that ego.

Yep.

All right, back to the book. Two methods of instruction are used. Kata, which is form, and randori, which is free practice. It's what we call in the Jiu Jitsu rolling. When establishing the Kodakon, I employed a method that emphasized randori and by which kata naturally came to be understood during Randori practice. This is rather. So he focused on rolling a lot when he established Kodakon. Pay attention. This is very interesting.

Randori training. It's rolling.

It's rolling.

Just gotta remember that. Yeah, use it.

This is rather like teaching composition without using a grammar book or teaching the basis of grammar while teaching how to write an essay. So this is like, hey man, write this down. Are you going to make some corrections? And like that's. That's basically rolling live. Right?

When there were only a few people undergoing the training, this was not a problem. But the number of beginners gradually increased and it became impossible to teach kata at the same time as Randori. So a few years after I established Kodakan JUDO, I created 15 kata for throws and 10 kata for combat called kime no Kata, which meant forms of self defense. So he realized he couldn't teach the same way he couldn't teach the masses. So what, you know, that's That's a big change, right? There's a big, big change for anyone that's not into martial arts. There's a big, big difference between rolling and learning kata. And matter of fact, we make fun of kata, Right. I'm not saying that's a good thing. Yeah, but we. I shouldn't say we completely make fun of it, but like, I'll see Dean and let's say he's. I can tell he's tired, you know, he's looking all worn out. And I'll see him and I'm like, oh, yeah. Hey, what's going on, man? You want to train some kata today? Meaning, hey, are we just gonna go through the motions?

Not actually drill, you know?

No, no, we're gonna train. Right. So that when I say make fun of. Yeah. You don't make fun of it because. Because what we call kata, basically in Jiu Jitsu, we call it drilling. Yeah, Right. You're gonna drill this. Drill, drill, drill. Which. Drilling is part of winning. You got to drill to win. Right. Andre Galvao.

Drillers make killers.

Drillers make killers. There it was, all those things. That being said, we all know if you do nothing but drill, you're not going to be able to pull these moves off going live. And this with the old tradition, what we now call traditional martial arts, that was all kata, and all kata will get you nowhere. That's when the guys. When you saw the 90s, when the Jiu jitsu invasion happened, you know, the guy would try his 12 point strike kata method against a blue belt in Jiu jitsu, the blue belt would do a sloppy double leg, take him down to the ground and choke him out. Because they rolled live. They did Randori. So you have to have balance, but you gotta train live. Randori. And at the same time, you gotta drill too. So be careful. Don't do too much at one.

Seems like the drilling helps you get a hold of what you do with your body. And then the brand, Dori, the light, the rolling.

Yeah.

Gives you, you know, control or better skill in dealing with other people. So. And that's what. Jesus. Both, you know, where can kind of.

And you're gonna get. You're gonna get.

Reactions that are different. Right, right. And this is the same thing. This is the same thing. Like when I was training guys in the teams, like you could teach them the basics of how to enter a room and then how to move down a hallway, but as soon as you put a.

Another person there going against them.

Yeah.

It was like different things happen. Yeah. Different things are going to happen and you got to be ready for it. So you have to go live. I've told, I told you this story before, but when, When I first started playing basketball and my coach had the old school. Had the old school Hoosiers coach, right? Yeah, you know the old school. You seen the movie Hoosiers?

No.

Oh, dang. So in Hoosiers, the guys old school coach like, hey, no, you're not even allowed to shoot. We're defense, defense, defense. Run drills, drill, drill, drill. We never scrimmaged. And the first time I played in a real game, it was the first time I played in real game, I went down the court and like called the play and expected to be able to execute the play that we had run the little pattern and the, the other point guard just picked me off. I was in seventh or eighth grade. He just picked off every pass I threw. I was just. Because I'd never done randori on the basketball court. Never scrimmage, never played. You got to balance those two. All right.

Next, back to the book. Next, I would like to briefly discuss free practice involving throwing and grappling techniques, which I will refer to by their Japanese names. So the two Japanese names that he's going to use are katami waza and nagawazi. Now, now, waza means technique, right? And you probably knew that a lot of us, a lot of us in jiu jitsu, we talk about, or we. What we know about judo, we talk about nawaza and N e W a W a Z a Nawaza means groundwork. That's what it means. Mat work basically, is what I mean. I think, I think the ne actually means like laying down or sleeping or something like that. So it means you're down on the ground. Katami waza is the katami waza is like the grappling part. But you're not necessarily, you're not necessarily laying down in all grappling positions. So that's why they call it katami waza. But, but nagi waza is the throws. All right, so here we go back to the book. When I was training, I practiced katami waza quite a bit. But after coming to appreciate Nagawaza, I came to believe that nagi wazi should be emphasized in the technical training aspects of judo. This does not mean I considered katami waza to be useless, of course, but I stress practicing nagawaza first, followed then by katami waza. So he focused on the throwing techniques.

This is because doing katami waza first hinders progress in nagi waza. While it makes sense that learning Nagawaza first makes it easier to remember katami waza at a later stage. When I established Kodakan, I encouraged the practice of nagiwaza precisely for that reason. As a result, at that time, a great number of experts in nagiwaza were fostered in the early years of the Kodakan as a result of emphasizing nagiwaza, however, katami waza gradually became neglected. That's very interesting. So anyone that knows anything about judo and jiu jitsu, one of the biggest differences is in jiu jitsu, we focused a ton on groundwork. Too much? Well, you could say too much, right. Because there's, there's, there's jiu jitsu, people that don't know how to take someone down, and that's very problematic. So he's saying that, hey, he focused on that. And you can kind of hear what he's saying. So if you. It's real easy to ignore the standup when you realize how effective the ground game is. And you also realize that if you, if you understand how to take the person down, then you're going to get in good positions and all that. So he just kind of leaned in that direction and says that it ends up getting a little bit neglected. And also, if you don't know the rules of judo, emphasize the takedowns. Because the rules of Judo, if I take you down, if I throw you with an nip on which means something, some other body part other than your feet touches the ground before your feet do during a throw, I win automatically. Instant win. It's like a submission.

Yeah.

And so because of that, they. They practice a lot of stand up.

Yeah.

Whereas in jiu jitsu, you can get thrown 10 times and you can still catch a person in a triangle and you win. You can be on the ground. Doesn't matter. And you can get pinned in judo too. If you get held down for 30 seconds, about 30. 30 seconds on, on your back, you get pinned, you lose. That doesn't happen in jiu jitsu. You can have someone across side on you for four or seven, eight minutes.

Yeah.

Just. You haven't even moved. Yeah, you didn'. Is. And you sneak out of there and grab a little chimera, you get the victory, sir.

All right, back to the book. At the Kodakon, we study and practice techniques with the purpose of using mental and physical energy most efficient, most effectively in order to achieve one's goal, no matter what the endeavor, which is the basic Principle of Judo. And he's going to talk about this a ton. The basic principle of judo is like efficiency. So those in training do not merely now, but this is so important. Those in training do not merely imitate the actions of the master or practice practice without understanding the reasons behind what they are doing, but rather consider the methods and train accordance with detailed principles. For that reason, what once took five or six years to achieve can now be accomplished in three years. This is huge in Jiu Jitsu. And I saw this transition take place when I started learning Jiu Jitsu. We learned moves. Now everyone teaches concepts. I mean, you still teach moves, but if you don't know the principles of them. And it's the same thing when I was teaching guys in the teams like you teach them a maneuver on the battlefield, you can learn the mechanics of the move on the battlefield. But if you don't understand why those mechanics are important, then it doesn't make. You don't even have. You don't have it, you don't get it. Same thing in the business world. You can tell someone like, hey, here's what you should tell your subordinates right now. Yeah, but that technique, they can use it and it'll work. Okay. But that's nothing compared to saying, here's why it's important that you tell your subordinates this thing. And here's how you want to lead them. That's what gives them the game, is when they understand the principles.

Yeah, yeah. That's why those introductory courses are so critical. And I'm talking about Jiu Jitsu, obviously, where you get a new guy, first day guy, and he jumps in a class and the class they're teaching you know the mechanics of a certain move. Meanwhile, everyone in the class, they're not first day people. They know the concepts behind it, but they come in and it's just, it's just a different language. It doesn't stick. Yeah. Because you get mechanical.

Yeah. It's like trying to teach someone. If you, if you, if you had a non native English speaker and you walk in and you're gonna teach him of, you know, a vocabulary word.

Yeah.

Which is like, you know, audacious.

Right.

Well, he has no context to put that in. That's not the word to teach him. He doesn't even know how to say I. Right. So when you start teaching someone an umaplada.

Yeah.

And they don't understand what an arm lock is, they're gonna have issues.

Yeah.

That's like teaching the fundamentals.

Do you want ketchup with that. Teach someone who doesn't know any English. Do you want catch up with? Teach them that and then send them out. He doesn't know when to use that. You know, I know how to say it. Well, you're not just gonna roll into the post office and be like, hey, do you want ketchup with that? Doesn't make sense.

No, it doesn't.

Unusable.

Back to the book. Various records and accounts have been passed down over the ages with regard to the true meaning of Jiu Jitsu. Then he's talking about the actual word Jiu Jitsu, but few of them are accurate. It can be said, though, that the name apparently derived from the expression Ju yoko go osheshu, which can be translated as softness controls hardness. This expression needs closer attention.

Let's assume I have an opponent who possesses power to the value of 10, whereas I must face this opponent with power only to the value of seven. When my opponent thrusts at me with all of his energy, it follows that if I resist, I will be overcome even if I expend all my power. If, however, rather than resist my more powerful opponent, I adjust and adapt to his energy and pull back, he will fall forward under the strength of his own attack. His power of ten will become merely a power of three, and he will stumble and lose his balance. I will not be pulled off balance and can pull away, maintain my stance, and retain my original power of seven. In short, resisting a more powerful opponent will result in your defeat. Whilst adjusting you to and evading your opponent's attack will cause him to lose his balance. His power will be reduced, and you will defeat him. This can apply whatever the relative values of power, thus making it possible for weaker opponents to beat significantly stronger ones. There you go.

Yes, sir.

That's the way it works. Can it level 10 beat a level? Can a level one beat a level 10? That's tricky. There's a. There's a. There's a point, right? Yeah, there's a point where like. Yeah, yeah.

Because it's. There's like even that, what he's talking about. I like how he did it in numbers, like how he did that. But the reality is like that. It's again, cool to have the numbers, but it's not. They're not absolute numbers. There's a lot of gray area in there. So the idea is to take his tan and use. Almost like using part of his 10 for on top of your seven, because you're going the same way. But it's like, how much of that 10 are you going to use. If you're one, you better be using nine, you better be a master. Yeah, you got to be using a lot of his number, you know.

But this is one of those things. This is one of those things that I subconsciously learned from Jiu Jitsu, and I applied it all the time, especially in dealing with relationships, and I've talked about on here a million times of like, hey, don't attack the ego, don't attack the strong point. Right? Yeah, that's just complete. Just complete Jiu Jitsu mentality. That's what it is. And. And it works if you attack that strong point. Sun Tzu, art of war, 2,500 years old if you attack the heavily defended position, you're. You're not going to win. If you go against a power of 10 and you've only got a power seven, you're not going to win. Yeah, not going to happen.

Even if you use full power.

Even if you use full power. In fact, it's going to be worse for you, especially if the other guy knows he's going to use that 7, he's going to use that in addition to his 10, he's going to beat you with a 17 0.

Yeah. And actually that actually backs up or kind of refers back to your point where cannot. When you say, can a level one beat a level 10? So a level, if they both know Jiu Jitsu or judo, then you know it's way. Because he knows the same thing as you. But you know, if you're nine, if you're better than the guy, a factor of nine, then you know your chances start to go up as a one.

Sure. No doubt, no doubt about that.

But I think that's where people, they, they get jammed up, where they're like, hey, what, I thought size didn't matter in Jiu Jitsu. Oh, yeah, if everyone's Jiu Jitsu, of course, size matter. Just like condition is going to matter. Just like how tall it matters, how strong it matters. When you all know the Jiu Jitsu.

Yeah. When you. That's like, dude said the other day.

Jiu Jitsu is not important. As important in the UFC as it was the guy that just beat Verdum. Big, tall, badass guy from Russia, Kalkoff or something. Sorry, bro. He. But he said, hey, it's not as important anymore. And the fact that you're right. You know why it's not as important? Because everybody knows it.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's not as important. You go, you roll in there without Knowing any Jiu Jitsu you're gonna get submitted.

You see how important it is?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, back to the book. There's a popular parable that goes thus.

A Jiu Jitsuka, which means a jiu Jitsu practitioner, was grabbed by a sumo wrestler. At that point, the jiu jitsuka said, you're a sumo wrestler, yet you can't grab any tighter than that. Angered, the sumo wrestler attempted to adjust his grip. As he did so, he loosened it slightly. At that moment, the jujutsuka quickly lowered his body and escaped from the sumo wrestler's grip.

All right. Now there's another. We're going to talk about this theory called Siroko Shajn Katsu. And I apologize to everyone that speaks Japanese. I'm sorry, Tim Ferriss. I'm sorry. I should have waited for you to come and do this with me so you could correct me. But here, here we go. One's mental and physical energy must be used most effectively in order to achieve a certain goal. That is to say, one must apply the most effective method or technique for using the mind and body. If we use the term serioko for one's mental and physical energy, this should be expressed. Sir Yoko Sagen Katsuyo, which means best use of one's energy. We can shorten this simply to Siriuoku Zenyo, which means maximum efficiency. Maximum efficiency. This means that no matter what the goal, no matter what the goal, in order to achieve it, you must put your mental and physical energy to work in the most effective manner. This is like common sense, right? But how often are we wasting energy? How often are we wasting energy? We're wasting energy all the time.

Back to the book. When I was a child, I learned the Jiu Jitsu of the past. However, that Jiu Jitsu had no basic principle. I learned various methods from one teacher. He taught me how to place my hips and pull to throw an opponent, and how to choke someone. But he did not teach me anything about what principles were in evolved or how to apply those principles.

That's. I think that's the same that as Jiu Jitsu hit America, I think everyone was learning like that. Like, here's how you choke someone, but you weren't learning the system.

As I studied further, I found that one. One teacher taught differed from what another taught. There was no basis upon which to decide which one was correct. That was the reason I began to make a thorough study of Jiu Jitsu. Now, what I would say about that is, you don't need to decide which one is correct. Like, when you learn an arm bar from one person, you learn a lot arm bar from someone else. You're gonna learn good things from both of them. Neither one of them is correct. And one of them might be correct in this situation or with this body style, and the other one's correct in a different situation with a different body style. I think if we looked at Kano's personality traits, like, he's a guy that's real orderly, and I think that's. Yeah, he's a real guy, like Jordan Peterson, People would put him in the high. Conscientious and high. High and orderly. He's a very orderly person. And so for him, like, there's a right answer and there's a wrong answer. And I think you see that in judo, and that's why judo is much more disciplined. Highly disciplined. Like, go to a judo competition, there are no yelling and screaming. Go to Jiu Jitsu competition, It's mayhem. Yeah, yeah, right. And they've tried to tighten that up. Like, they try and make it less crazy, but they haven't succeeded. Jiu Jitsu's crazy. Jiu Jitsu competitions are crazy. Judo competitions are not like that.

Yeah, bro, did you see there's a clip, a judo clip on online, wherever I saw it, but it's a clip. And so this guy wins, right? Real dramatic win. Like, maybe he wasn't supposed to win or. I don't. Maybe he's an upset, maybe not. Or maybe it was the finals, I don't know. But it was a real dramatic win. He wins and he's like. You know how they yell and they'd be all happy or what? He did that and he kind of stood over the guy just for a second, like a split, like, pretty short.

Dq.

Dq. Yeah, just like that.

So legit, man.

In Jiu Jitsu, mma, you see that all day.

That's. See, that's. That's the. That's one of the reasons I wanted to talk about this is like, that is a quality thing, you know, it's too. And I guess this is different on the east coast or West Coast. The East Coast. Like, one of my buddies, Joe, he came and watched some wrestling with me, some high school wrestling. And they. I forget what. They penalized people. Like, oh, no, you're not allowed to do that. Like, they're strict. When you get done. When you get done wrestling, you just got pinned. You get up, you get to the center of mat, you put your hand out to shake hands. That's it.

Yeah.

Complaining to the ref. There's none of this other crap. No, you do what you're supposed to do. And that's awesome because that, you know what that teaches people? Teach people how to control their emotions.

Yeah, yeah. I remember in Pop Warner, you know, my only frame of reference was watching football and tv. NFL. Spiking the ball, doing the icky shuffle. Back in my day, icky, you know, icky woods. Anyway, back in the day. And so, you know, we play popcorn football my first year. I knew that our coach was super disciplined. Like the kind where you had to. Everyone had to wear high white socks, white shoes. Like it was real discipline. And I'd see other teams and they different color shoes, all this stuff. That's all I knew though. So it was clear you couldn't spike the ball, you couldn't do any dance or whatever. You give the ball to the ref, that's. That's it. When you make a touchdown. So we played this team that will remain nameless and they go, they, you.

Don'T want to bring up the old rivalries.

Tell them what's going to happen. They make actually was a team from out of town, actually. And they. He spiked the ball. Little kid spiked the ball and does the thing or whatever. Straight up flag. It's. It's a penalty. Even. Actually, even in college it's like that. Oh, right. I don't know. Yeah. In college football is like that. You can do. You can do more for sure. But yeah, Pop Warner, anything. If you do anything, you throw the ball, you put your hands up for too long. If you put your hands up for too long after you make a touchdown, that's a penalty. Unsportsmanlike condom.

That's legit, right?

I think so. Especially as little kids.

I think so. Especially even as big kids.

Yeah. My dad used to say, when you're a professional.

This is what he said. When you're a professional football player, you can and you make a touchdown. Something about like, that's your job or whatever. So, yeah, you have the right to be happy about it. That was kind of it. But when I think about it now, it's like, shoot. If you're a professional, you focus on your profession. You think so I guess it's whatever your philosophy is.

And you could say like ufc. I mean, it's really cool. It's so much cooler when someone wins and they just are like, check.

Yeah.

Like Theodore. Yeah. We're just go out there and just destroy someone. Then just come like, yeah, thanks. Good match.

Yeah, that is true.

I know we all want to see the hype. I don't want to see the guy jump on top of the cage that sells tickets and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there's nothing better than just a cold blooded killer that just comes out. And you know what's interesting is sometimes fighters do it. I think I was watching Cowboy Cerrone the other day. He'd like knock some guy out and just walked away like it was nothing. Yeah, yeah.

I do this every single day.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah.

But.

But they don't show that clip. Or like Mark Hunt.

Yeah, yeah.

Mark Hunt just does this walk away knockout. Just knocks dude out and just walks away like. Yes. Yeah. Can I get my piece of chicken now? I'm hungry.

But the. The reason that those are so cool, like Fedor. That' example, by the way, where he's just. No, he's not getting hyped up before the fight, he's not hyped up afterwards. You know, no emotions. He's cold. That. That gets. That seems more appealing because it's in contrast to all the hype. All the hype. This guy getting hyped up and whatever. So if everyone was like that, it would be less. It was. Still would be cool.

Yeah.

But even then, I'm probably just comparing it to like how I know it now.

You can't knock Hype When Conor McGregor.

Gets pumped, you know, I mean. Yeah, exactly. Right. So you know it. There's the. There's a dichotomy.

Yeah, there's a dichotomy. I think the preferred method, though, is cold blooded.

Yeah. But when you. And this is really what it is. And this goes for the NFL too. But yeah, for sure. It's. It's a show. Gotta remember that It's a competition.

Entertainment.

Yeah, it's a show. Exactly right. So. And that makes sense too, for the.

NFL where just go sit around and watch old Fedor fights, though, you know, Sakuraba was kind of like that. Sakuraba didn't celebrate. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. Sakurabo is pretty cool.

Yeah. Totally cold blooded.

Yeah. But just how you say, man, like Connor and like these guys who do put on a show, that's kind of cool too. You see what I'm saying?

All right, back to the book. In the end, I learned from various teachers in various schools. But when one method of instruction differed from another, I had difficulty determining how to resolve those differences. As I studied further, I came up with the principles I've described. In order to achieve your goals, you must put your energy to use most effectively. Again, I'm. I'll just say that you don't have to choose like this one's right and this one's wrong. You need to absorb both those methodologies and have them both in your toolkit because you might need them.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Kind of like having the metric.

Ranch sockets and the, you know.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And the other one.

And then you got the other ones. Gotta need that one. The other one.

You come across a bolt, that's metric. Yeah, right. You better be ready for that.

Here's a. Here's some stuff that's interesting.

Calisthenics are generally based on physiology and anatomy. So they do not result in the development of unbalanced body, nor are they harmful to the internal organs. But they are not without. Without drawbacks. Because each individual movement has no meaning, and because calisthenics have no secondary benefits, they are uninteresting. Calisthenics are widely used in Japan and abroad, but few students continue to do them after graduating from school. This is because they are a meaningless form of exercise and not of any practical use. No matter how much they are taught in schools, if people do not continue to practice them, there is very little value in teaching them.

Cold blooded. Speaking of cold blooded, I dig it.

So what should be done? We need to adopt the strong points of calisthenics and compensate for their shortcomings. Of course, there are various possibilities, but for now I've come up with these two ideas. First, the first is calisthenics that incorporate training for the defensive, for the defense against attack. So the first one's like you come up with calisthenics that represent movements that are from fighting. Right. So like a classic is a sprawl. Sprawl, yeah, go do some sprawls. You want to get in good shape. Yeah, go do some sprawls. Incorporate that. One of the workouts I used to do with my kids when they were little is they'd have to do five sprawls and max pull ups every minute on the minute for five minutes, just five minutes, see how many pull ups they could get. So you do five sprawls and you do as many pull ups as you can to see how many. This is a brutal workout. Go try that one. Yeah, you don't even need to be an eight year old kid. You can be a 46 year old man. Go hit that for five minutes. Yeah, five sprawls, max pull ups. Go. But it is a good workout for kids. Yeah, but anyway, Sprawls, that's an exercise where it reflects exactly the movement that you would do on the mat. Now here we go back to the book. My other idea could be called dance style. And I'm not going to get into. He talks about, he's basically saying like, hey, you come up with dance moves that are fun, that work your body. And what I thought of immediately when I, when I thought, when I read that, I was like thinking about all the, all the.

I guess is B boys and break dancing. The same thing.

B boys do break dancing. So it's like judo and Judoka. So B boys.

Okay.

Break dance.

So like the 10th planet guys, a bunch of the 10th planet guys came from the break dancing background.

Yeah.

And they have the physical attributes, the flexibility, the strength from that and it turns out to be awesome for jiu jitsu.

Yeah.

So there's a good, good. And you can find that with gymnastics people too. Like, like gymnastics, here's a skill. But I guess his point is in his mind that's now fun somehow. See, in my mind, like it's not fun.

What the break dancing.

Like to me, doing a break dance move compared to doing a push up.

Yeah. You'd rather do the push up.

Well, I mean, there's not a huge difference, right?

Yeah, yeah. Breakdown is pretty fun. I used to do it when I was younger.

Did you have parachute pants?

Yeah.

Richie Martinez and Gio Martinez.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're the main guys.

Yeah, well, they're, they're, they're badass jiu jitsu guys and they're B boys. Yeah.

And that, that is what they attribute to their skills developing so quickly. So quickly. And when you, when you think about it, man, it's absolutely true because you think of breakdancing moves like how you can spin on your back and do it, like all this stuff, like to spin on your back. You know, these guys who go inverted and do all this stuff where they have really good control of their, like spatial awareness and their body.

Yeah.

You know, so these break dancing guys, they come in with level 10 of.

That, you know, and well, wrestlers obviously come in at a high level gym. Anyone that's really good at gymnastics has that same kind of awareness and they have some crazy strength.

Yeah.

You know, so yeah, maybe that is a good thing for the, for the judo players to come up with some kind of a, like a dance. A dance. Well, what about capoeira?

Capoeira?

Because capoeira was, was fighting disguised as dancing.

Yes, sir. Yeah, you know, it Was it was the African slaves in Brazil. Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you notice, I know this because they did a whole. Not. It's not a thesis. What do you call it, like, anyway. A thing in college, but they.

You did a thing on college? In capoeira?

On capoeira. Yeah.

Dang.

And so I don't want to go into a whole long thing, but good. If you go early. Capoeira was only legs, you know? You know why? Because they. A lot of the time, they'd be tied up, hands behind their back, so that. Yeah. So they came up with this fighting system, disguised it as dancing, and to use against their captors. It's very interesting.

That is interesting. B boys.

B boys.

Capoeira.

Capoeira, guys.

Jeff Higgs went from Jiu jitsu to Capoeira. Fabio. Fabio Santos, our old teacher, was like, higgs, you're the only person that's ever gone from Jiu jitsu. He kept training Jiu Jitsu, but.

Yeah.

Incorporated Capoeira.

Yeah. Even right.

Karina does same thing.

I think he. No, no. I think he. He.

Most people would find capoetta and go, that seems cool. But then you get choked out. You're like, I'm learning.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That goes through, man. You ever seen, like, a cop with, like, a performance or whatever, man? There's this.

It's gymnastics. It's. Well, whatever you want to call it.

It's like this. Yeah, man. It's really impressive. It's almost like he'll yield. And I'm referring to this guy that you said he'd put on a capoeira show every Wednesday at this club I worked at in Hawaii. And so he'd do these, like, flips and somersaults and stuff like that. And it looks like, oh, he messed up that somersault. But that was part of the move. See, I'm saying. So he. Instead of sticking the landing. He doesn't stick the landing. He rolls into the next move, you know, so it's this big string of just real fluid movement. It's kind of captivating. I can see how that would benefit you.

Okay, noted.

Yeah, yeah. Keep that in mind.

All right, back to the book. There's no need to reject traditional form of exercise. Those who enjoy them should do them. My doctrine is very simple. Highly recommend what is best without rejecting things of the past. So I do not particularly oppose Japan's conventional methods of physical education, but I would like to devise the best form of physical education and recommend as many people as possible take it up Thus resulting in a form of physical education that at the same time achieves worthwhile goals. That is cool, right? Like, that's one of the coolest things about Jiu Jitsu is you are getting in shape and you are learning how to choke people out, which is a really beneficial thing. And that for all the people that say, well, I want to start Jiu Jitsu, but I need to get in shape first. No, you don't. You just need to start Jiu Jitsu and you'll get in shape along the way.

Back to the book. The prosperity of a nation can be hoped for only with an energized populace. That.

Vitality depends. And that vitality depends on the mental and physical training of the people. The powerful nations of the world have explored every avenue in order to build their national strength. And they are paying particular attention to physical education and endeavoring to promote vitality of their citizens through their own unique methods.

Well, that sounds good, and it was true at one time. But in America right now, we're getting pretty weak on physical education. Need to step it up, Step it up, step it up. You ever seen that video of the old school? They did some experimental gym class somewhere in California. And like the crazy obstacle courses like in the maybe the 40s or the 50s, and they had crazy obstacle courses. They had this. And like every kid looked like a complete beast. And you're like, yeah, why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't gym class at school be an hour long of hardcore physical putting out? Why would it not be that way? Right? Yeah, you know why? Because people go, that's insulting to my child because he's not a great athlete. Well, your kid's not going to be a better athlete if they don't start training hard.

Right? So like, what is get in the game? Yeah, I agree. So what, what is it though? The kid, the kid like, okay, we're gonna do push ups today, right? And you know, Johnny did a hundred push ups. Meanwhile, I can only do two, so I feel bad. That messes up my self esteem.

So we don't want to put you on the spot. And you know what? We're just gonna not do push ups.

Yeah.

In fact, you know what we're gonna do for pe? Weave, baskets, basket weaving.

Yeah, but even isn't the, isn't the whole grading system? I know we're going into a whole different thing, but isn't the whole grading system in school like that anyway? Hey, Johnny over there got an A. Yeah. Look at you.

Well, it is right now. Yeah, but, you know, there's the universities, for sure, that have, like. Well, there's no grades here. Yeah, because we don't. This isn't about a grade.

Yeah, actually, that.

It's like.

No, actually, regular schools are becoming. You know.

What? You don't. You know, it makes my kids mad. My kids will be like, I got a. I got a 96 on the math test. And I'm like, what was the class average?

Or who beat you? Did you lose to anyone? And they're like.

No, if everyone got a 96, I don't care. You're average.

I don't know. Maybe you should care. Maybe you should. Maybe you should be impressed with the teacher. The teacher is so good at teaching that they. When they test these kids, these kids score almost perfect on the test, on the material that they taught. Dang. That's one good teacher right there.

Yeah, well, I'd be impressed with the teacher, but I wouldn't be impressed with my kid if they just got the same as everyone else. They need to step it up.

What if they all got hundreds? What if they all got hundreds?

Okay, they got a hundred.

Okay, like, still not impressed.

Well, it's. It's a good job, but I'm not impressed.

I'm impressed. 100. Perfect score on a test.

My. My what? My little daughter will come home and she'll be like, dad, I got a 94 on the math test. And I'll be like, which one did you miss?

My wife will be like, tell her she did a good job. I'm not gonna lie to her.

Whatever. That is a good job.

All right. Okay, cool. We'll leave it at that.

You know what's funny is I know you're really not like that, because I see.

I see you talking. You know what's funny is I. I do say that to my kids.

Yeah. With this joking tone.

It is fun.

Yeah. Like, you're like, at our. When we were at my house, the pool. Everyone's jumping in the pool, doing their dives.

Yeah.

Then you're like. It's like, joking, jocko. You can totally tell. You're like, good dive. But I want to see improvement in this area. And this. It's, like, over. It's good. I see what you're doing there.

Yeah. We gotta have fun with it. Sure. Back to the book. Intellectual. Now he's talking about intellectual. Intellectual training involves both the acquisition of knowledge and the cultivation of mental power. And whereas one cannot discuss these entirely as entirely separate things, is nevertheless true that people with a great deal of knowledge do not necessarily have exceptional powers of reasoning or judgment. That's important. Just because you went to some course doesn't mean that you know, doesn't mean you have good judgment. So you can have people that are well read, well educated, but they don't have any common sense. That's, that's what, that's how I translate this thing here. The cultivation of these powers does not in itself entail becoming knowledgeable. So in fact these two things can be looked at separately. So there's a big difference between, you know, having information and having, I guess we'd say wisdom. What does he call it? Reasoning and judgment. I'd call reasoning and judgment combined together. I call that wisdom makes sense.

And now he talks about moral education.

Back to the book. In one respect, moral education must be carried out from the aspect of knowledge. That is to say, it is necessary to know intellectually what is good and what is, is evil. It is also necessary to develop the intelligence to distinguish right from wrong in various complex situations. Thus, it is necessary to teach the ability to determine good from bad, to discriminate what is right from what is wrong. This is something that I think we're getting away from. Like, hey, you know what? That's actually wrong. Like the whole idea you, for, you've, you've, you hear people, and I think it's, I think they wrap this around a political conversation or a political viewpoint of. There's some people that say, like, no evil actually exists. And some people just say, well, no, people are different and people are raised differently and all that. I'm one of the people that, like, I believe evil exists and, and I think you can teach, and you have to teach people how to tell the difference between right and wrong. There's some things that are wrong.

Yeah.

There's some things in the world that are wrong.

Yeah.

And you shouldn't do them.

Strangely, I was talking to Jade pretty in depth about that idea applies to a bunch of things where.

Even saying, okay, things are right and things are wrong, that's, that's like one way of. Look, you know what the. Okay, so these people that, that say, well, people are different. There's no real absolute right or wrong. The thing is they're, they have a point with that. But here's the thing. They're not talking about the same thing you're talking about. Like, we have a societal standard, so. And see, it got super complex. So obviously it's not the time. But think about this. Let's say a fat person.

They'Re Fat. Everyone can see that they're fat, they know they're fat kind of thing. Right. And some people would say it's wrong to indicate or to point out that that person's fat in front of people, even though the fact is that they are. Okay, is it right or wrong to point that out?

It's rude.

It's rude. Exactly. Right. So, and so is it right to be rude? Is it right or wrong?

Total scenario dependent thing, who's the person situation.

Right. So the point is. Yeah, the point is there's a societal standard and usually it's established. Just like be like beating your kids in certain societies is right. In certain societies is wrong. So sure, the more extreme the behavior, the easier it is to discern.

Okay, that's wrong with all that. I think there's a line that I think is you can call.

Yeah. And it goes all the way down to like, almost like a human, like understanding of basic human needs. And Sam Harris, he talks about suffering, like suffering and well being. That's the two things. If something promotes or advocates suffering for like no reason way, you know, he goes into it, then that's how you can discern good and evil. Okay, so but at the end of the day, it goes down to a standard, Like a specific standard.

Yeah, yeah, but what I'm. I guess you're saying the same thing I'm saying.

Yeah.

Which is like you need to teach people and, and explain what the value system is to the young to people.

Back to the book. In another sense, moral education must be carried out from the aspect of the emotions. Even if you can distinguish right from wrong intellectually, if you are not trained emotionally to like what is good and dislike what is evil, your ability to do good and reject evil will be lacking.

So if morals are not cultivated both intellectually and emotionally, good results cannot be achieved.

This is big stuff. Yeah, this is heavy stuff.

Back to the book. Furthermore, even if you do try to do good and reject evil, if your willpower is weak, the opposite result will often occur. Therefore, training of the will must also be an element of moral education. A weak willpower can result in the inability to do what you know is right or the inability to prevent doing what you know is wrong. Boom.

This is very important stuff.

A weak willpower will. You'll allow bad things to happen.

Choosing the short term payoff over the long term.

Another good example. Back to the book. It is also important.

Not to overlook the element of habit, even if you intend to do good. If you have not developed the habit of doing so your best intentions will easily be corrupted. And even the best intentions of rejecting evil can fail if you have not developed the habit of doing so. For that reason, you must endeavor to cultivate good habits. Love what is good and reject what is evil on a daily basis. You know what this supports? This supports that whole. You know, when I talk about the fact that, like, if you make good decisions, like if you wake up early, that goes, that's a habit, and that helps you. That strengthens your ability to reject weakness. Whereas if you sleep in, you're lazy, you hit the snooze button, you're double fist and donuts into your mouth. Guess what? You're going to be weak. Then I'll tell you something else. And I've been talking about this, or I've been thinking about this. I've been talking about a little bit. I've been thinking about this.

The way. The way that you live, every little thing that you do, like those actions that you take on a daily basis, that's who you are. And if you don't train correctly, if you don't live correctly, when the moment of truth comes, you won't be able to execute correctly. Yeah, the way you. It's like, it's a classic. The way you train. The way you train is how you fight, right? If you don't train hard, you're not going to fight hard. If you push yourself mentally, when the time comes, you'll be able to push yourself. You'll be able to push yourself mentally. If you're weak in training, you'll be weak in war. That's the way it is.

Yeah, that was very well put, sir. We were. I was talking to Jay last night, like I said, and that's what we were talking about, too. That's what I brought up because he was real excited about learning all these new things about calculus and all this stuff, right? Because he's into AI, artificial machine learning and whatnot. So I was like, okay, you know, you're really excited about learning this stuff, which is good, by the way. And we're just. I was. I wasn't necessarily talking about him, but I just used him as the example. So I was like, okay, so what is. What is it? Like you're. So are you applying this to, like, your work now or your life or whatever? Or are you just fired up about learning it? So it's like you can learn about.

Everything in the whole wide universe, right? But if you don't put it into action, whatever. It's like your habits, like, what you do that. That's who you are. You have, like. Let's say you're. You're. You. I don't know. You have, like.

Well, actually, I think you're saying something different. I know what you're saying. And what you're saying is absolutely true, too. I'm saying little. I'm saying little. The little things matter, is what I'm saying. The way you live is the way you live, is what I'm saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

What you're saying is also important. Like, hey, you got this. What are you gonna do with it?

Yeah, yeah.

That's what you're saying. And that also is important. Like, okay, well, you worked for this, but now what are you gonna do with it? You got this gift. What are you gonna do with this gift? You got this talent. What are you gonna do with this talent? You got this education. What do you do with this education? Those are also important.

Yeah.

And what I'm saying is, if you don't develop the habit of putting things into place and being efficient and working hard, you can take those gifts, those talents and that education and you can piss it away. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

If you're used to taking the easy road, you get that knowledge. You don't do anything with it. So live your life with intent. That's what I'm saying. Every day, every little decision you make matters. It matters. Matters what you do.

Yeah.

Expanding this out a little bit, back to the book. If each member of a group helps others and acts selflessly, the group can be harmonious and act as one. Accordingly, the group can make the best use of its energy, just like an individual. This principle remains true even in the case of a complex society with a population of millions.

You help each other out. This is very. This is what this is. You know, this is like a SEAL team, right? This is like a SEAL platoon. You help each other. You support each other. That's what makes you good.

That's what makes you good.

Here's another one. Let's say someone draws a sword on you. This is getting back into training a little. Let's say someone draws a sword on you. Any hesitations in your actions will result in you being injured or killed. You must react automatically, instinctively, just as when you blink impulsively when a fly approaches your eye, you must dodge your attacker an instant. In order to do this, you must practice this as physical education and train on a regular basis to build up your body while also undergoing martial arts training. So I like this Idea of a fly getting in your eye, right? The fly doesn't hit your eye, you blink. That's what happens. You have the instinct. And what's cool. I see this with extreme ownership. When people first hear about the concept, like it's foreign to them. And Utah, you've talked about this, how once you started thinking about it, you'd see like any excuse that someone makes. You're like, oh man, this guy's not taking ownership. That's just an excuse. And then you see it in yourself. And when that becomes your instinct because you're living that way, well, then it's very easy to spot. It's also easier to maintain. Yeah, that's why the little things matter.

Echo.

Yes, sir.

Back to the book. Judo began with the study of martial arts. And then it gradually became clear that it could be applied to physical education, intellectual training, moral education, social engagement, management, and people's everyday lives. Some people believe that judo means simply practicing at the dojo. This is applying the principle of judo at the dojo when practicing defense against attack. And though it certainly is one aspect of judo is only a small part of it. With judo, in every endeavor, you must imagine the best goal. Goal. And use your mental and physical energy in the most effective manner in order to accomplish that goal. For that reason, judo is not merely a martial art, but rather the basic principle of human behavior. It is wrong to assume judo ends in the dojo. So he's saying, apply this everywhere. I'm saying you should do that. You can do it with Jiu Jitsu.

Now we're going back into this, Sir. Yoko Zenyo. Certain teachings have a long tradition, so most people accept them. But when people do not understand why they are taught a certain way, conflicts. Conflicts can sometimes arrive, arise to give example. Virtually no one doubts that diligence is a good thing, right? No one doubts that diligence is a good thing. If diligence is always a good thing, it follows that there can be no situation in which being diligent is bad. But if you are diligent in an irresponsible manner, you will spend a great deal of effort on something that is not very useful and expend the energy required to do something good wastefully. You must carefully choose something for which diligence is suited. Even when we do what we believe to be best, overdoing something can be harmful. When students stay up late reading a book because their teachers, parents, or society has deemed it best that they should read it, this is certainly diligence. But it is also detrimental to their health to read for so long.

Conversely, you cannot do things half heartedly or randomly, so.

You gotta stay balanced.

Let us turn to the to an annoying yet pervasive habit people all too often display. Complaining.

What is the point in complaining? It is certainly no fun for those who have to listen to the complaints. The energy used to make an unpleasant complaints can certainly not be considered Seryoku Zenyo.

Rather, all the energy used to complain or grumble should be expended more usefully. This means ridding oneself of unpleasant feelings and refraining from harboring ill will towards others. In this end, and in the end, this will result in putting one's energy to the best use, not only for oneself, but also for the betterment of society. This principle should be applied every day at all times.

Don't waste your energy on stuff that doesn't matter. Back to the book. If people are always aware of their current situation and set a standard for their future based on doing what will benefit themselves in society and continually regulate their behavior, they can be satisfied with their lives at all times.

When you try to do this, you will find that your future prospects are always bright. That is because you are doing what is best.

How?

How? Common sense is this, right? And it's so common sense. But how. How many people do you know that follow this path? That's the question.

Yeah, that goes back to.

How you say that idea of being detached. When you're detached, it's common sense. Yeah, but when you're in the game, it's not common sense because of how you just like how that said, how you feel like, you know, like even complaining. For example, like you could ask. I don't say literally everyone, but you can ask everyone and be like, hey, complaining is that useful? Is that good to do? Is that fine to do? Just complain, right? Yes or no? Everyone's oh no, no, no, no. Why does everyone complain then? Because when you're in the game complaining if you can feel better, whatever, you.

Picked up on it very well. Because it says if people are always aware of their current situation, meaning they need to be.

And then set a standard for the future based on doing things that just think it's the same thing. Is it smart to do things that will benefit themselves and society? Continually regulate your behavior so that you're satisfied with your life and all that. Of course, that makes sense.

Sure.

Why don't we do it? We get off the path, we get.

On the slippery slope, we start losing our awareness of our. What is it? Current state.

Well, how do you put it current situation.

Situation.

I don't understand it. Yeah, this is interesting. Through judo, we are teaching a principle that can work together with the highest principles of Buddhism and Christianity and the exhaustive studies of philosophers, one which, like other great philosophies and religions, can be put into action. This principle of judo offers a basic principle that can provide a sound answer for every situation and every question. The easiest way to master this basic principle is to practice the waza of judo and to embark on the doe the way. That is because through practice that incorporates both a martial art and physical education, one can learn a method for making the most effective use of one's mental and physical energy. Then one naturally learns how to apply this method to every aspect of human affairs. I believe that this basic principle is the most appropriate method for resolving various moral issues.

Man, he puts a lot of weight on the judo. A lot of weight on the judo. Yeah. With regard to our daily activities and social interaction, the teaching of Siruko Zenyo means bringing about maximum results through the use of every sort of energy. For this reason, human faults like anger, for example, violate this principle. People becoming angry consumes mental energy. How does anger benefit you or anyone else? The result of anger are invariably a depletion of mental energy, and being looked down on or disliked by others. By following the principle of zenyo, people will not be able to get angry. Being disappointed or troubled by failures or setbacks or harboring grievances are also ways in which mental energy is consumed. Arguments, fights, all of these are violations of serioko zenyo. Those who practice judo must take great care to follow this teaching. No matter what the situation, There is only one path that people must follow in every case. The only course is to consider what is the right thing to do and proceed in that direction.

What is the right thing to do and do that? You know what is the right thing to do and do that.

That's what you should do, regardless of how you feel.

Yes.

I have coined a phrase that I regularly say to people. There is only one path in life. Conducting yourself in accordance with this principle on a daily basis is vitally important. Though human beings may reach the pinnacle of success, there is only one path down which to proceed. That is to say, because complacency gives rise to the cause of failure, you must always consider things carefully until you find the appropriate course of action and proceed that way. Even when you fail, there is only one path down which to proceed. Even if once you fail and lose heart, if you regain your courage and find Your way along the highest path, the highest path, circumstances will gradually improve. That's a like Jordan Peterson talking, right? Hey, you know, like, get on, do the right thing, pick a little thing and start proving that thing. Clean your room. Because they find their own paths. Those who practice judo and who follow the principle of serial always have a calm spirit, enjoy life, and are enterprising. The most advanced mental life can only be achieved when people thoroughly absorb this principle.

Maximum efficiency. What are you doing that is taking away your energy? What are you wasting your energy on?

Back to the book. A person's true value is determined by how much he or she contributes to society during his or her life. And because these very contributions enable those who strive to protect themselves to achieve this. The purpose of judo is to perfect yourself so that you can contribute to society. This applies to ordinary people as well. Again, this is very, very similar to what Jordan Peterson talks about.

If you fix your world well, you're impacting everyone's world around you.

This applies to ordinary people as well. But in particular, those who specialize in judo must be expected to act in a way consistent with the purposes of judo. When you practice judo, you must try to perfect yourself and contribute to society through this practice. And you must emphasize the importance of this during your teachings to others.

Something that seems good because it is near at hand may be useless in the future, whereas in some cases, a bit of patience is highly effective in furthering your lot in the future, right? Delayed gratification.

The basis of happiness in life, is found not in the pursuit of material gains or temporary pleasure. And true kindness towards one's friends means giving them serious advice when needed, selflessly, without fear of offending them.

Now that one's interesting because I deal with this one a lot, right? I deal with a lot because.

You got your. Your subordinate, that's not doing what they're supposed to do. And I just was having this conversation with a group I was working with, and they were real big on the word transparency, and Leif and I talked about it on the podcast. And, and if. Here's the question, like, I'm going to be transparent with you. Like, like, hey, echo your videos, you know, they're not good right now. Like, your videos aren't good. You need to tighten up your videos. Like, does that make. Does that improve our relationship? Does that make you want to do a good job for me? Does that make you want to, like, get out there and really crush it? No, not at all. So even though I'm being transparent, does it help our situation. Does it help what we're trying to do? No, it doesn't. So I need to figure out a way to tell you something, and normally the best way to do that. And here's a big hint for everyone that's out there. If you want to give someone critique that they know that, you know, they need, one of the best ways to give them critique is to take ownership of it. Take ownership of the problem. So I say, echo, hey, I feel like I'm not really giving you good guidance on. On the videos and the way they're coming out. I want to sit down and talk to you and actually go through, like, what. What. The impact that we're trying to have and that I want to have.

And.

And, I mean, I know you're working hard, but I feel like I'm not giving you good enough guidance. So I want to sit down with you and try and see if I can be more clear. Right. Does that offend you?

No. Well, I know what you're doing now, but. Yeah, but. No, no, I get it. Yeah, you're right.

So you take. If you take ownership of the problem and then you talk about the problem with the person. It puts. It doesn't. It makes. It makes them not have a defensive posture, which is what you. Which is what you want. You want. Don't want them to have a defensive posture. I actually want to have them have an open mind and be able to listen what I say. They won't listen. If you're pointing the finger at them, they won't listen as well. They might listen for a little while.

Yeah.

But it won't be a lasting thing.

Maybe years later, maybe, or something like that.

Yeah. It won't help the relationship. We know that for sure.

You must remember that the purpose of expending a great deal of effort to build a strong body is to enable you to undertake jobs that you might otherwise be unable to endure. So what he's talking about there, he's talking about. He basically goes on this whole thing about, like, being big and buff.

Sure.

He's not pro.

He's not down for that.

He's not down for the cause. Like Echo Charles, he would look at you and think you're wasting too much time on your. On your bicycle. Bicep curls.

Yeah, might be right.

Yeah. So that's what he's saying, is that he's. He's all about the functional strength. You want to be strong so that you can do jobs that you might not be able to endure if you didn't work Hard. You didn't work out hard.

Hey, that's a balancing act too, by the way.

I know you're gonna defend the biceps.

Maybe not the curls, but. But you know how, like, they say it's even like, like, kind of, like bad example. But he said you want to save your energy essentially for jobs that are, like, important, right?

No, he says the reason that you're trying to get strong isn't so you can look big and buff. It's so that you can do jobs you can endure, jobs that you wouldn't be able to endure.

Okay, gotcha. So that. That should be the focus of your training.

Functional strength. That's what he's. He's down with the functional strength.

There's this guy on YouTube, super funny bro science. I think I told this dude, bro science life or something like that.

Yeah, I've seen that guy. Bro science.

So funny. And he's talking about functional strength. He said, you know, his jokes or whatever, he's like, yeah, so good luck. You can compare your functional strength with my actual strength. So funny. But in his mind, actual strength is like, how much you can bench, and, you know, it's funny.

Yeah, but.

Yeah, that's. So now every time I hear, like, when a guy starts, like, heavily advocating functional strength over, like, some. Some weightlifter guy or whatever, I think about that, that that's. Even though I'm sure this book came out a lot. A lot, you know, earlier than Pro Science Life, but, you know, check.

All right, back to the book. Some who practice judo become overconfident of their health and inevitably fail to look after themselves. We must not be careless about where we live, our clothing, or our hygiene. We should pay great attention to what we eat and drink. There was a time when people did not deem it a problem to eat and drink to excess, but rather we're proud of a prolific A proud of being a prolific eater or a heavy drinker. That way of thinking still persists.

And is obviously detrimental to health. If you do not take care in regard to matters of health, there is no benefit in practicing judo. Those who practice judo must not only keep this in mind, but must also consider it their duty to remind others.

That's bold right there. Their duty to remind others.

Star next to that. This guy, again, this guy is, like, super orderly.

Yeah.

And he's, you know, just gonna tighten people up. You know, he's out there going, don't eat that donut.

Yeah, well, that's one thing, but to.

The nth degree, yeah, that's Your duty.

Come on, bro. Yeah, you know, it's my duty. I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna go to the mall and by the food court.

You know what's funny is this is the only thing in the whole book that he says, like, judo won't help. Like, if you, if you don't, if you're not healthy. Judo's not. You don't even train. Just stop training.

He has a thing. He has a thing.

He doesn't like that. Yeah, yeah, he's. What's that called? A. Like a hang up?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's his hangover.

Yeah.

Because judo derives from the martial arts of the past, it must perpetuate the spirit of other martial arts. Loyalty, faith, honor, and various other virtues were emphasized in the martial arts of the past. But I keenly feel their importance even today. The deterioration of society's morals today is primarily the result of a failure to emphasize these virtues. So I believe that those who practice judo in particular must apply themselves to these matters and restore today's neglected public morals.

He's got another little hang up. Oh, it's not even a hang up. He's. But I mean, obviously I'm pointing this out because we could clearly look at society today and be like, yeah, well, guess what? We. We're on a slippery slope.

Yeah, yeah. You can tell. You feel strongly about that one, though, right there.

Who, me or him?

No, him.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about me?

Yeah, just. Yeah, the look on your face indicated that for sure.

Yeah.

You know, that's a whole nother thing.

It's. It's weird because you go around different pockets of the world in different pockets of the country, and you see various, Various positions on the slippery slope. Some people hanging on.

Yeah.

But some people are not. And they're just slipping. And we got to be careful.

Yeah. And you get. And obviously that's a whole nother topic. But the, you know, and you have so many huge, major, major forces kind of working against. Against it, you know, pushing us to down the slippery slope. Like marketing. Right. You know how, like, marketing. Most marketing is to appeal to your most, like, immediate wants, you know, like delicious double whatever, you know, and it's.

The girl that's showing the delicious burger is like.

Yeah. And guess what? Doesn't even cost that much. Dang.

You know, gratification for cheap.

Yeah, man. So you can get it.

And sex thrown on top of that.

Yeah. Just to make you feel good. It, you know, whatever, you know, and that's everything. So, you know, again, if you're not, what is it? Conscious of your situation or whatever you.

Might think about this today is like. Is.

Like, I think people lose concentration. This, because most people, in my opinion, most people are like, they kind of know, you know, like, we go back to the theory of right and wrong and what's right. I think most people are pretty good with it. Like, most people feel pretty. Like they know what's a. Like, no, that's wrong.

Right.

And they know that, hey, you know what? That's a good thing to do. Right. I think most people kind of, like, broadly kind of, kind of would agree with those things.

Yeah.

The problem is. And so that's why I think we don't emphasize as much because we think. You know what? Hey, man, most people pretty much agree with me. Like, it's like the center people of the country right now, like. And the extreme right now the extreme left.

No.

Okay. Where are you at? It's like, okay, well, those people that are in the middle, it's like, yeah, we. We kind of figure, like, okay, pretty much. And so what happens is once we don't talk about it as much, well, then the people that are on the fringes, mentally, they end up without a compass. Right. They just don't even know what's right and what's wrong anymore because people aren't talking about as much. Because it doesn't seem like we need to. I think we might need to.

Yeah, yeah. And why it's right. Then it comes down to your approach and like, all this stuff because, you know, when you have opposing views, it's like, if you don't do it with the right approach, you just. It becomes more about the fight, more so than. For sure, you know, the. So, yeah, I think you're right about that. I think. Are. And are you talking about people. Most people know right and wrong. Because there's a difference between, like, just like how you were saying, where people know right and wrong, but they don't always do what's right kind of thing.

Totally.

So is that what you're talking about, like, when most people know right and wrong?

I'm saying. I'm saying. And if you don't teach a kid, like, hey, when you see someone that needs help, you go help them. Right? Like little old lady crossing the street. Right, right. That seems obvious. Little old lady crossing the street. She's got a grocery bag. You go, okay, hey, can I help you with that grocery bag and help you put it in your car? Maybe for you. You get a little pump while you're at it with that grocery bag.

Hope she has a bunch.

Yeah. So that seems like a real common sense thing to do. And that's, like, the most basic example I can think of off the top of my head. Like, okay, so that. That would be a good thing to train a kid to do. Hey, if you see someone that needs some help, you give them some help. Especially an elderly person that's having some trouble. That's what you do.

Yeah.

Seems real obvious. But what I'm saying is, and. And I think even. I think most people. Most kids would be like, oh, yeah, they'd see that, and they would tend to go, okay, I'll help out. But because most people would tend to do that, we think we don't need to teach them. And that's where we're losing it. Like, because the people on the fringes, they're not helping that person. There's someone on the fringe that's gonna like, oh, they dropped their bag and we steal it from them.

Yeah.

Right. So that's where we end up with a problem.

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

And that's why these things probably need to come up as part of a conversation, as like, a national or universal conversations to be had of like, okay, what is right and wrong? Who's given those guidances now?

Yeah.

Where are they coming from? People? Aren't people free? People aren't reading the Bible anymore to look for their guidance. They're not following Buddhism to get their guidance from. Right. They're just. They're just kind of going around.

Yeah.

So where's that coming from?

Yeah, that's true. They're going, like, going around. They're seeing, like, what? Okay. They're looking around me like, okay, what are we doing? How are we doing this is Right. Is this wrong now to do this?

And what are they looking at to get. Get to measure, to. To establish that from. You know what they're looking at? Instagram.

Yeah, whatever's around them.

Whatever's around. But Instagram's around me. YouTube's around them. That's what's around them. And they're looking at it going, okay, well, this is. You know, that seems like that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing.

All right, cool. That's what we're doing.

Yeah. Yeah. It's okay to sucker punch this, you know, this. This old dude.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, you know, and I feel a little uncomfortable about it, but you know what? It seems normal.

Yeah.

People are doing it.

It's Fun. Yeah.

Guys were laughing. It got a lot of views.

Got of a lot. Lot of views.

Yeah. So maybe that's what's cool. Yeah. That's what we need to watch out for.

Yeah. And obviously, I know that's an extreme case, but really, that, that, that's true. Where especially. Okay. In these extreme cases will happen, by the way, if you don't have any other presence of influence.

For sure.

You know how, like, I was kind of saying this, I thought it made sense where, okay, your kids or whatever, they're going to learn how to behave, Whether they learn it from you or your neighbor or TV or the guy at the club or the guy at the park, whatever. That part is up to you. Like, if you don't want to be there, they're gonna learn it from somebody else kind of thing. So that idea where, okay, what are we. You know, this is society. Like, okay, what are we doing now? How are we doing this? What's right? What's wrong? Is this wrong now? Whatever. Then we're gonna get that. Just like I said, like, we're looking around, we're trying to see what up, you know, and if there's no specific things, sane or not quote, necessarily a course, even though of course it'd be cool if there's nothing present there to demonstrate it, then they're gonna be like, all right, well, what is here to demonstrate it?

And what I'm saying is we've gotten away from things that in the past would have guided us at least somewhat. And where you'd had this sort of. Sort of fundamental universal understanding like thou shalt not kill. Right. Well, okay, that. That. That's a biblical thing. And, well, you know, maybe when a kid is 15 years old and he's feeling angry about something and he's thinking, you know what? I play a video game all day where I shoot, like, people in this video game. And that makes me feel better. Well, maybe make me feel better to go out and do that in a school. Yeah, right. That's. That's. That's what happens.

Yeah.

So if we don't have. If we don't lay out these things for people, even though most people don't need them, there's some people that need them. That's my point, is that we've gotten to a point where we think, you know what, pretty much everyone kind of gets it. And if everyone kind of gets it, I don't need to emphasize it that much.

Yeah.

And so I'm not gonna emphasize it.

Yeah.

Well, there's some People that need it.

Yeah. And even if you don't, quote, unquote, need it, it's kind of like exercising, you know, I'm in great shape. I don't got exercise well yet. You kind of do, you know.

Yeah, it's interesting times.

This is interesting. Speaking of interesting, instructive talks on morals presented in the classroom often become abstract or involve stories of people from the distant past. So they're not likely to inspire the listener.

But moral lessons that can be acquired through judo's randori are based on facts and are much more likely to make an impression.

And it can be said that the habit of observation, the ability to make decisions quickly, and the ability to remain calm and resolute that are cultivated through fighting are also valuable outcomes of the practice of judo. These abilities, however, will not be developed merely by doing kata and randori training without any thought. These abilities will naturally develop when one takes care and thought in practicing them on a daily basis. So this is something very interesting to think about. So I thought that was great. Like, hey, you learn about some, you know, you read the Bible, you know, it's like, oh, that doesn't really make sense to me. It's some guy that lived thousands of years ago. And, well, I don't really get that. I don't really get why I should be humble. Because it says you should be humble. Well, get on the mat now. You get humbled and you feel you get humbled, right? So there's. That's. That's like the perfect example of how, hey, what you learn on the mat, that.

Is. Is truly understood. But if you don't get. If no one. If, no, if you don't think about the fact that, hey, that reflects life too, by the way. That reflects life, by the way. If no one makes that connection for you, that's problematic. And I mean, clearly, Jiu Jitsu, this is a big difference between Jiu Jitsu and judo. Like we talked about what the competitions are like. You talk about how you get disqualified. Jiu Jitsu, you have people in Jiu Jitsu that have bad attitudes, right? They don't. They don't apply what they learn in Jiu Jitsu. One of the things that, you know, you know, my attitude always is with Jiu Jitsu is like, if I get. If I beat someone in Jiu Jitsu.

If you, if you understand Jiu Jitsu, if you beat someone in Jiu Jitsu, you realize that doesn't make you a better person than the person that you beat. What it means is you've trained more than them. That's what it means. Or it means you caught them that time. Means you got lucky with a move. It means they made a mistake and you had trained enough to be able to capitalize on it. It doesn't mean you're a better human being than they are. And there. There are people in Jiu Jitsu that think, oh, I am a better human being than that person is because I tapped them out. It's like, actually, no, not true at all.

Yeah.

So if you're not connecting these bigger, broader lessons and connecting Jiu Jitsu to life, then what you have is just. Just this isolated sport, which is a. Which is a. It's not even a sport. It's an. It's an isolated might makes Right attitude on the mat, which is not a good thing. Yeah, it's not a good thing at all. Jiu Jitsu should be making you humble because you should recognize, like, oh, yeah, well, I've been training longer than this guy, and that's why I can beat him. And. And one day, if they keep training more than me, they'll be able to beat me. So hopefully, I'll keep training and we'll have a relationship, and we'll be able to support each other. And that's the attitude. So I think that's one of the things where, you know, you've got. In my mind, you've got judo on one side, which is, you know, really strict and controlled and.

Less evolutionary because it doesn't evolve as much. You have Jiu Jitsu on the other hand, which is wildly evolutionary. It's incredibly creative. Like, there's. There's less creativity in judo. There's way more creativity in Jiu jitsu. And I think in the middle, especially on the attitude part, is where Jiu Jitsu now is. Like, you need to, like, you go to a jiu Jitsu competition. Like, little kids that are. They have. They're bad sports. Right? They're bad sports. They did not learn sportsmanship. And that's an important thing, because what does sportsmanship mean? Sportsmanship doesn't just mean, like, you're a good sport on the mat. No, it means that in life, you can handle getting beaten, and you're gonna get back up and you're gonna have a good attitude. That's what sportsmanship is. That's why you're trying to teach that to your kids. Right. And there's a million little things like that in Jiu Jitsu that you learn, like, just the hard training. Well, you. You know, What? In Jiu Jitsu, sometimes you work hard and you still get beat.

Yeah.

That's the way life is.

Yes, sir.

That's the way life is. You work hard, you give everything you got. You're still going to get beat. Well, guess what do you learn from that? You learn about life from that. The creativity part, if you're stuck in a box on something. And. And he talked about that earlier. Like, oh, yeah. When he's talking about there's only one path. Again, I talk about him as being a very.

I won't say not creative, but he's. He's got an orderly brain. Right. Because I never look at something that there's one path.

Yeah.

Like. And by the way, if I fail in business, he's like, hey, there's only one path. No, if I fail in business, I'm actually gonna look and see, like, well, okay, what other path could I take? Now he's talking about the path like. Like, I'm not saying, hell, no, the hell with discipline, and I'm gonna do whatever I want. So he's saying, stay on that path. And that makes sense, but there is a certain lack of creativity there. Like, okay, well, if I make a mistake, I'm gonna assess, and I'm gonna see what I can do differently. And again, I'm not arguing that. That's. That he was saying, no, don't ever try anything else. But that is an important piece that you learn from Jiu Jitsu. Like, oh, if I can't pass the guard, this person's guard, this particular way, I need to take a different approach. You learn that from Jiu Jitsu, and you can apply it to life. So all these lessons that if you don't pay attention to what you're learning in Jiu Jitsu and you don't reflect on it and put it back on your life, well, then all you're learning is how to fight people and beat them up. Well, then Jiu Jitsu is not doing what it should. It's not doing what it could be doing for you. So you need to be careful. That.

Yeah, I think his thing. His one path is. Is it's this really broad and general kind of dirt. It's more of a direction.

Yeah, it is. It is. And that's a bad example for me to use. But at the same time, I want to make sure people aren't like, well, you know, I'm going to stay on the path. I'm going to stay the course. I'm going to stay the course. You know what we failed that time. But it's okay. I'm going to stay the course. I'm going to keep going. No assessment. See what you can do differently.

All right. Effective use of mental and physical energy. Again. He's. He's talking about this. Sekiro Zenyo. An integral, which is integral to the teachings of judo competition can be applied to many aspects of life. Those who practice judo must measure their behavior by this principle on a daily basis, and make corrections when appropriate. If you actually apply this standard to every aspect of your life, from food, clothing and shelter, to your work and relationships, you'll find that you often have to correct your own mistakes. Those who do this will make progress day by day and advance in life. Those who fail to do so will never progress, and in many cases, will regress. So keep an eye on those little things.

With regard to memory, in the early stages of practices of judo, you must do what you have been taught. In order to do this, you must remember things well. As practice progresses, you must. You must remember not only what you have been taught, but also what you have observed. So there are many situations in which memory is vital. You will develop that ability naturally to come up with ways to remember things. He's talking about some of the benefits of learning judo. So one of us, you learn to remember things. Next, we come to the area of imagination. This is not particularly necessary during the early stages of the practice of judo, but becomes quite necessary later. You may experience experiment with various outcomes, carefully anticipating how your opponent will react. But if there is a limit to the ideas you can come up with, and if the range is narrow, no good ideas will come to you, no matter how much time passes. On the other hand, if you come up with a variety of ideas one after another, and if your thoughts extend to things quite different from your original idea, you can come up with a perfect solution among those ideas. So he talks about creativity.

And this is interesting. Next comes language. This is very important to the practice of judo. The reason is. It is. The reason is that in randori as well as in kata, if you try and explain a particular method in words, unless you explain it exceptionally logically and clearly, your listener will not understand what you mean.

There are some things that can be demonstrated in detail using kata, while others do not lend themselves to this method. In some cases, you must explain things in writing or verbally when teaching. Whether you demonstrate things through kata only or by giving a verbal explanation while demonstrating the kata makes a big difference to the listener. This is a truism when you Ask something. When you ask someone about something, you do not understand or discuss something in depth, it is highly beneficial if you can talk about it clearly. Thus, it is so in the practice of judo. Take care, Stay, Take care. To discuss things logically and clearly. So even he talks about the importance of being able to express yourself and having good command of the language. It applies to judo. Is that reaching? Maybe a little bit, but we'll give it to him. I'm gonna give it to him.

Yeah. No, yeah. The way I see it is like, you know that what is the laws of combat? Simple. Yeah, that's. That's what?

Simple, clear, concise. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you're right. Good call.

I like it.

Next, I would like to discuss the need for broad mindedness. Broad mindedness means open to new ideas, as well as the ability to organize various kinds of ideas at the same time without mixing them up. The reason this is important to the practice of judo is that when there is no broad mindedness, people often become overly confident in their own beliefs, such that if. If there are new ideas that are superior, not only do they not accept these new ideas, but in doing so, they fail to determine their value and whether they are good or bad. This is something you see all the time with people with ego and a closed mind. They don't listen to anybody else, they don't come up with any new ideas. It's.

Horrible. So keep an open mind.

My way or the highway? Or is that a different thing?

You don't want none of that. My way, the highway, yeah.

Speaking of simple, the theory of judo fighting includes some quite complicated ideas. When we consider the relationship between the body and the four limbs, their positions, how to use them, how to handle the mental aspects, one theory gets mixed up with many others, so it becomes difficult to reach an overall conclusion. Even if we link these complicated theories to look at them separately, the ability to unify them in the end must be the second requirement for broad mindedness. Be able to connect things. You gotta be able to simplify things.

This is interesting. There is a teaching in judo competition that says one must look at the relationship between oneself and others and one's surroundings. So you have to orient. This is Ooda Loop. Yeah, this is Ooda Loop. So you have to. You have to orient yourself to what's happening. You have to look around and see what's going on.

Another one. In judo fighting, there is a teaching, saki otore, which means anticipate. Simply put, this means using your waza on your opponent before he can Use his waza on you. Boom. Be aggressive, default aggressive. Don't wait for the enemy to do something, you do it first.

There is another teaching in Judo fighting.

And this translates to decisive action after careful consideration. Jukiro means carefully considering the situation before attempting to use a waza. Danko means acting without delay once you have made a decision. When this teaching is applied to the path people take in life, it can indeed be relevant in many situations. This is a good one. One what you. You consider what you're going to do. But then once you make a decision, you go.

Yeah. You go full speed.

You go full speed. You always reassess. You always keep your mind open. Even when I'm like, I made a decision like, hey, oh, you know what, We've debated this enough. Let's go. Even when I say that and I mean it, I'm still just making sure. I always make sure I'm reassessing.

Yeah.

And then run to my death.

It seems like he's more talking about like, don't, don't, don't, don't make a decision, go. And then hesitate the whole time.

That's definitely true. And also, don't sit there and wait to make a decision. You know, make a decision. But this is what's interesting. Here's a. Here's a contra back to the book. A further teaching which seems to be somewhat contradictory to Danko is known as Tomaru Tokoro Oshai. And that translates know when to stop. This means that when you venture to use a waza up to a certain point, but when you reach that point, you must stop again. This rule has universal applicability to many aspects of life as well. So there you go.

You got those two opposing forces. One is like go, and the other one's like, know when to stop.

Yeah.

So those are, let's just say, very important.

One of the most important concepts in Judo fighting says, if you win, do not boast of your victory. If you lose, do not be discouraged. When it is safe, do not be careless. When it is dangerous, do not fear. Simply continue down the path ahead.

Right?

Those are normal face.

Yeah. Normal face. Yes. Affirmative.

When encountering social pressures such as those such as those we experience today, even an incredibly strong willed person can lose spirit and experience great adversity. This is when we must. This is when he must show true character. At times like these, the ability to overcome difficulties, endure and be patient, preserve one's honor, and maintain a spirit of integrity are truly valuable above all else.

In order to do this, first you Must develop good daily habits.

These good habits include simplicity and moderation. And while thinking of yourself, always keep other people and society as a whole in mind as well. You must not trouble others for your own convenience. And if you can, you must try to benefit others while benefiting yourself. In other words, you must perfect yourself and contribute to society, which is the ultimate purpose of the study of judo. Man, judo is a lot bigger than you thought it was, isn't it?

It is. Yes, sir.

He's trying to take it to the distance.

Those who want to do something to benefit society must first make sure they can easily take care of their own business.

Yeah, clean your room. As Jordan says, take care of your own business. Then you can worry about the rest of society.

Like the oxygen mask, right? You got to put it on yourself first. Then you put it on your kids.

You can handle your kids.

Because if you're suffocating, how are you going to help people your kid?

You're not.

You can't.

Here we get a little controversy. Professional wrestlers and boxers are generally people of low character.

I don't know if I can sign on.

Oh, definitely don't sign on with that. And no matter how superior their skills, they are mostly looked down on by society. I guess we'd have to do some research as to what the boxers and wrestlers were like back in his time. In. In Japan, some Kodakon members have gained popularity. Popularity performing on tour with them. But I don't believe this behavior is to Is in accord with the aim of judo. True judo practitioners must not be performers. So that's.

There you go.

Right?

Yeah. That explains a lot. Yeah, sure.

He wouldn't like McGregor.

No, no, no. He don't like McGregor down upon. For sure.

McGregor don't care.

No, no.

All right. And this is. This is again, I had to call these things out because obviously I don't agree with wrestlers and boxers being people of low character. In fact, I believe the opposite of that. But here's a good one. In the future, when asked to compete against wrestlers or boxers, the competitors must decide whether the judo practitioners will compete under the rules of boxing or wrestling, or whether the opponent will compete under the rules of judo. However, those contests must never be commercialized. They must be merely trials between volunteers for the purpose of research. If for some reason showman should get involved, people get charged admission and it becomes a spectator sport, you must recognize that this is in complete violation of the spirit of Kodakon judo.

So what about Olympic judo then? That's. That's a violation.

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things you call. But actually, you know Judo Gene LaBelle? Yeah, he fought, he fought against boxer Milo Savage, 1963.

And I think it was Denver. I forget where it was, but yeah, that was like. That's kind of noted as sort of the beginning of like whatever popular MMA, right? Boxer versus judoka. And Judo Jean LaBelle is a American.

Icon. He's an icon of grappling. If you don't know who Judo Gene LaBelle is, look him up. He's awesome. And he actually. So he did this back in the day, back in 1963. What do you think the outcome was? Boxer versus judo in a fight.

Fight.

No, they fought, they fought, they fought. Like in an MMA fight. I mean, it was, it was an. It was.

You fight each other, go, that's Gene LaBelle then.

Yeah, that's Gene LaBelle all day, right?

Yeah.

Take down Rear Naked Choke.

That's what he got.

Yeah, that's what he got. That's how it went. So, yeah, that's, you know, it's just interesting how completely commercialized. Yeah, this is. And it's also interesting that, again, closed mindedness, or I don't know if you call it closed mindedness, but he, he has a very orderly brain.

Yeah.

And he was like, look, it's either gonna be those rules or these rules. He didn't think to himself, like, hey, you know what, what if you just mix it up and do it all together?

Yeah, all rules.

Yeah, all rules. Why wouldn't we do that? Which is interesting because in Judo, they do cover striking and you don't hear about it much, but they have. Those are part of it. So it's interesting that in his mind he's like, no, it's either those rules or these rules.

Yeah, very rigid.

Yeah, very rigid thinker. Yeah, that's a good point. Back to the book. In everyday randori practice, fighting against another person is not the real purpose of the practice of jud. Because fighting to see who will win is interesting. It is done on a daily basis. Yes, it is. It goes without saying that becoming able to beat someone is one of the ultimate goals of the practice of randori. However, there's clearly a difference between becoming able to beat someone at a future time and becoming obsessed at beating someone now.

In order to beat someone now, it is best for those who are strong to use that strength to overcome the other person's strength. However. However, with that method, if you encounter opponent who is much stronger than you are, you will naturally lose. So even if you lose for a while, the correct practice of Randori is to slip dexterously away from your opponent, adapt to his strength, cause him to lose his balance while stepping back, and then take advantage of the opportunity to perform a waza. If you do this kind of training, you will, for a while, often be twisted by the arm and held down or pushed down by your opponent. But if you do not frequently engage in this kind of training, you will never learn how to beat a stronger opponent. So this is what we talk about all the time. When we talk about relaxing and trying to relax and.

Putting yourself in bad positions and not using your strength. That's what we're talking about. And again, that applies to life as well. That applies to.

Not staying in your comfort zone, not continuing to concentrate on what you're good at, focus on your weaknesses. That's what that talks about.

It's interesting his how he said, don't. Don't be focused on beating the other guy. You know, it's almost like Hoyler talked about that real briefly right when I first met him, where he was like. Like, it's not like you're not looking how big the guy is, how tough he is, what Belty has and all this stuff, it's like you're focusing on. On your Jiu Jitsu. What's lacking, what I know and don't know, you know, if I'm focusing on the other guy and, yeah, I'm gonna beat him and all this stuff. That's not what. What the Jiu Jitsu is.

Yeah. And I'll go ahead and say this. Like, this is. This sounds good.

It's. But we all. I mean, at least every single person I train with, with, like, we're trying to. We're trying to win.

Yeah.

Now, that being said, now, actually, I'm gonna go ahead and correct myself. Like, we train, we want to win, but, like, you take way more risks training with our. With our training team than you would take if you were training with someone else. Yeah. Right. You take. You know, you take risks, you try new things, you put yourself in bad positions. I'm gonna try this. I'm gonna try this arm lock. I'm gonna try this choke, even though I might end up on the bottom, but that's okay. And. Well, you know what I mean. So I guess that's true. I don't focus completely on just trying to beat the other person. Yeah. So that's. That's actually very accurate. And I think as you are, as you start this game.

That'S the best Attitude to have is like, hey, you got to relax. And I was talking to a buddy of mine that's just starting Jiu Jitsu out, and he's like, my age, and, yeah, he's like, man, I'm trying to relax harder. He's like, I'm trying to relax harder. And actually, what. I. I sent him a text, and I was like, it's like rock climbing. Have you ever done any rock climbing before?

Yes.

So there's technique in rock climbing. Like, there's legit technique, obviously. Well, it's not obvious if you. If you've never rock climbed before. There's a massive amount of technique in rock climbing. It's the way you position your fingers, the way you position your hands, the way you use your legs. You. You don't hang the weight on your muscles. You hang it on your. Your bones and your ligaments. So you're not getting tired. Your muscles aren't getting tired out because you're using the technique. If you don't know rock climbing, guess what you do. You hang on to the freaking rock with all your muscle, and as long as you can. That's exactly what happens in Jiu jitsu when your technique is good. You're just gonna. Hang on.

Yeah. Yep.

Hang on.

That he. The whole thing about jiu jitsu winning, and he. And he used the word obsessed. Like, if you.

A little bit of a different scenario.

Yeah. And really, when you really look at it, I mean, in the moment. Yeah. You want to beat the guy. Like, that's. That's when you train with someone in jiu jitsu or especially when you compete in Jiu jitsu, that's actually where the shift kind of occurs. He mentioned competition as not a spectator sport. This is just for experimental purposes, research purposes, which is essentially just training, really. So it's like. It's kind of like, kind of how when they started the first ufc, that. That was what they were kind of pushing to. They're like, we're gonna see how. What, Martial arts. Yeah, exactly. Right? And. But really, you know, the. The thing that people came to see was that for sure, but it was a show, like, who's gonna win and all. And when you really look at it, so you'll see one, two, all these things, it was. I don't want to say rare, but it was almost rare when, aside from Hoyce, Gracie, of course, and, you know, Ken Shamrock and stuff like this, it was really rare to see the style get maintained. It was like these karate guys, and they had their stance and the Fight would start and it's this street fight. Yeah, exactly. Right. So. And that was part of the research kind of, kind of thing. But you know, people were there to see who's gonna kick who's ass. But it in Jiu Jitsu, when you really, when you really think about it, you. We are kind of maintaining that. Like we want to see. Yeah.

We're researching all the time.

Yeah. And you. And here you can, you can fall back and forth. Like sometimes you can get sucked into being obsessed with beating that guy. And maybe if you kind of use it, you know, it's like using angle anger to help you, I don't know, get more strength or something. Just for a moment or whatever. I kind of think that's okay. And I think we all kind of do it in one way or another. Not the anger thing necessarily, but I'm gonna like me and you, for example, I might incorporate a little bit of today. So I'm gonna get jocko today. That's what I'm kind of focused on for a second. Yeah. Yeah, for a second. To help me get better. Maybe even get me past a mental barrier or something like that. You know, you can do it. But the big picture is just what he's talking about. I just want to get better at my Jiu Jitsu kind of thing.

And I will say this too. I. Ego wise, I think it's very positive to be like, yeah, I don't want to lose. And, and the only way you're not going to lose is to train all the time.

Yeah.

So the days that you, the days that you're like, well, you know, I don't. Like yesterday I. I was on a different time zone. Came back, it was. I got back in the day, I had a work to do. As soon as I hit the ground, I got done with that. I hit a quick workout and now it's like, oh, it's guess what time it is, Jiu Jitsu time. And I'm like, well, you know, oh, well, you know, maybe it's been a long day. My shoulder kind of hurts right now, so maybe I'll just, you know, rest. Then I was like, no, I'm going to train because. Because what I know is not training.

This is not training. One day might not make a difference, but that one day does make a difference. You might not, you might tell yourself it doesn't make a difference, but there's something in there. There's every day of training you can get matters. Every day counts. You can't get it back. And if you miss it, you miss it. Especially like right now. I've been traveling a lot lately, way more than normal. So I know, like, if I got to get there, I can get my rounds to in. Got to get my rounds in. That's the way it's got to be. And part of that is my ego. Part of this, my ego saying, look, I gotta, you know, I gotta fight, I gotta strike, gotta be stay on top. I gotta stay on top of the mountain as high as I can.

Hungry lines, the young bucks are out.

There, they're coming after me. Yes, I appreciate that, but that keeps me in check. My ego. The positive part of ego is that I do, I do want to win and I don't want to get beat. Now, that being said, guess who I train with? I train with all the guys that most likely to beat me. That's what I want. I want to have that happen. So there's a balance. There's a good balance there.

And at the end of the day, there's really no escape it. And I think it's real prevalent, like for you and Dean, and it's really prevalent where, sure you have all that, you have all those thoughts, you know, in your head or whatever, but it all comes in. The whole reason you have that thought is to get better at jujitsu for sure.

Yeah. Because when you start Jiu jitsu, you, like some people say, even me, like, well, you know, I'll just. I just want to get good enough to like, you know, be able to defend myself. Well, after six months, man, you're good. So what am I doing here 25 years later, still doing the same damn thing because, like, there's a couple guys that I, you know, I want to keep ahead of or even with or catch. You know, like, that's what's driving you. So there's, there's a definite ego thing involved. But I think the. Where that goes too far, the ego goes too far. This is obvious answer is like, oh, I don't really, you know, I'm going to, I'm not going to train with that guy because he might catch me right then. Now you're not. Now you're not progressing. Now you're in this thing that he's talking about. Like, you're not going to progress because you're not going to train with that person or you're not going to take any risks whatsoever. So you're just going to defend, defend. And you're like, oh, I survived the round and I'm out of here. Yeah, so you got to. You. You got to keep that attitude of like, hey, I'm gonna get beat.

Yeah.

And you know, that's the thing. Jiu Jitsu works, man.

Yeah.

Jiu Jitsu works. And if somebody catches you.

Yeah.

Doesn't matter who they are.

Right.

They catch you. Jiu Jitsu works. You tap out, you go again. That's the beautiful thing about Jiu Jitsu.

Yes.

That's the beautiful thing about life. Because in life, you're not gonna win every time. You're gonna get caught. You're gonna make mistakes. Someone's gonna capitalize on them. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna give up. And even more important than that, you can lose. You can lose is whatever thing you're trying to do. You can lose. You're trying to start a new business. You can lose. You're trying to get a new job. You can lose. You can lose in life. So are you gonna prevent that from even getting Let that prevent you from even getting on the mat in the first place? On even trying to start a new business? Even trying to. Trying to do something that's outside your comfort zone? That's what this. That's what this is saying, is get outside your comfort zone?

Yeah.

Don't sit there. It's not gonna help you.

Yeah. And you can see it with. With the guys who you can tell are just focused on, like, being the guy who beat the other guy kind of thing. And they'll do those kinds of things. They'll roll. And then when they. After, you know, two, three rounds, when they're. They feel their steam kind of going down, they'll leave. Or they'll sit on the side and talk and be like, I'm not rolling anymore. Or the only real small guys.

I did that to Andy yesterday.

What?

We did, like, six rounds. And I was like, bro, I need some back backup. Because, you know, he's training for events. You know, I'm like, I'm. I'm gonna give. I was like, hey, I called Dr. Luke. I'm like, Dr. Luke, give me some help over here. I need some backup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, cuz, gotta. Gotta get him to step it up. But what's interesting or what's the reality is when I have the time or when I. Not when I have the time, but, like, I always get my rounds in, too. Like, we're doing. If we got two guys that are competing and we're doing, you know, two in, one out, like, I put them through it, and then I go through it too. Because I want to get my training. Because I'm trying to get better, too. To your point.

Yeah. You're not in there trying to be dandy.

I'm trying to get better.

Yeah. And that's exactly what I mean. And it's obvious, you know, but, you know, you know what's a big symptom of someone who's. Who's focusing on the wrong thing is like, if they don't do well or whatever, and they say stuff like, oh, you're lucky this isn't MMA or something like that. They're like, they're unhappy about the fact that they got by you specifically. You know, like, I used to train with this guy, will remain nameless, long time ago. And that's what he'd always say. Like, oh, yeah, if there were strikes, I would have won kind of thing. He'd say that kind of stuff all the time. I was like, bro, focusing on the wrong thing right now. The fact that you, quote, unquote, got beat or I beat you, and this is how you would have beat me, you know, you're focused on the wrong thing.

Why do you think I do? Because I do this. I do the opposite. When I roll with someone, and I'll be like, hey, you know, like, I'll catch him or whatever. I'll be like, yeah, you know, hey, if this was mma, like, let's say I'm going to the MMA fighter, catch him, I'll be like, hey, you know, if this is mma, you know, you're on top for a while. You would have been pounding me in the face. That would have been good. You would have won. Or if I'm going against a jiu jitsu guy and I catch him or something, I'll be like, yeah, you know, though, if that was points, though, you were up, like, eight points, you probably would have beat me. And that was a. That took me 15 minutes to get. So you would have won.

Yeah. And it seems I. Obviously, I don't know exactly what's going on in your head, but it seems like that would be something you'd say to someone to make them kind of feel better. Because, you know, there are. It's a little mini competition in there, for real. I mean, that's essentially what makes it so good, because he's giving you an accurate look how a motivated opponent, attacker, whatever, would look like he's going full speed against you. So there is that element of, like, we're competing against each other, and when you lose, it's kind of like how I lost to this guy, especially if you're not that used to training or. Or.

So I'm just being nice.

You're being nice, I think, yes. And at the same time, if you're saying stuff like, hey, if you. This is. Was mma, you'd be pounding me or something like that, that there could be a little element of your own training. Kind of like you're just voicing your own thoughts, like, okay, I kept that in mind, where, you know, I would have got hit there. And you're just kind of voicing it maybe for the benefit of yourself as well as the guy. I don't know that that's what it seems like would happen if someone was thinking those things.

Check. Well, you know, that's. We could go on this book for a long time. I think that's a good place to.

Reflect and say, look, there's a lot of principles that you can apply. Judo and Jiu jitsu. There's things that jiu jitsu should. You should take from Jiu jitsu and things that you should take from judo principles. And if you mix those two together, you get something that's really powerful, not just on the mat, but something that's really powerful to apply to your life again. Is everything in this theories perfect? No. Somebody asked me that the other day. I was with a group of young leaders and someone. Because I was talking about how it's beneficial to read about history and understand warfare and understand it gives you an insight into human nature, and it gives you an insight into people, the way people think and all this stuff. And this guy says, hey, do you ever think that maybe what you read was wrong and if you apply what was you read, you'll actually end up making a mistake? Or do you just follow what, you know, history? And I'm like, no, that's the whole reason I go. Because the more you read, the more you understand, the more different angles you see. And I'm questioning every decision I make. I'm questioning all these things all the time, and I'm using all these. This different information that I have in my head as sounding boards to check off of. Like what? At least let me shed some light on it. Gather some intelligence. That's what. That's what I'm trying to do. So, yeah, question yourself and question these theories. That's what I think. That's one of the best things about.

It's one of the best things about MMA and Jiu jitsu and fighting right now is that it's evolving, evolving so fast. And, And. And it's open for it. And if you're not down for that right now, you're going to be left in the dust. You're gonna be left in the dust. Does this mean that every fancy new move that comes out should be applied to your game? No, it doesn't mean that at all. Does it mean that every fancy Gi Jiu Jitsu move that you saw in Worlds would be super effective in a fist fight? No, it doesn't mean that at all. But should you have an open mind to understand that some of those things could be absolutely beneficial? Yes, you definitely should. So keep an open mind with everything that you're doing. You know, that idea of broad mindedness, sometimes I wish Kana would have had a little bit more broad mindedness.

Yeah.

Because that would, you know, it would have been beneficial. You know, that's one of the sad things about Judo is they, they outlawed the double leg takedown. In judo, you can't do it. You can do it after you've done another takedown attempt. So it can be like a follow on gotcha. But that's not cool. That's not cool. And it's the same thing with, with Jiu jitsu, right. Where they outlaw certain submissions. Like the heel hook with GI Jujitsu. Yeah, Right. Like, the heel hook is still there. The heel hook itself is still there.

In the, in the, the motion of.

Yeah, it's there. You shouldn't outlaw it. It should be part of it. Because then you have people ending up in positions where they're not effective fighting positions. They're not. Because you can get heel hooked and you get your knee torn apart.

Yeah.

So why would you outlaw something that's very effective? It's. I understand there is some danger in the heel hook. For those of you that don't know, the danger of the heel hook is that it doesn't create pain before it creates industry injury. Well, it doesn't create a lot of pain before it creates industry in injury. So you can feel, you can have a heel hook on you and you can be like, oh, I can get out of the of this. And the person starts applying pressure and you're like, oh, that doesn't really hurt. And then pop, you're good, you're. You have to go get surgery now. Yeah, that's the problem with heel hooks. But if you and your training partners understand that and if competitors understood like, hey, if I get caught here, I'm gonna end up in surgery if I don't tap. Yeah. So that's. If you understand that, then you won't go in these positions that. Where you're exposed to a heel hook. So that's what you should do not only with. With Jiu Jitsu, but you should do it with life too. Like, understand what really works. Don't outlaw things, don't avoid things just because you're not good at them.

Yeah.

Open yourself up to them.

Do you know why they don't. They really don't allow heel hooks in GI competition. Do you know why?

Are you asking me?

Yeah. You know the reason for that, that they say, or whatever?

I think it's because the. The possibility of injury.

Yeah. The no gi, they let it. Why? Because you can slide more.

I don't know. I think that's. I think that might be just tradition, but hopefully, you know, they should allow double leg takedowns in Judo, they should allow heel hooks and Jiu jitsu in gi. Jiu jitsu. Now, this doesn't mean if you roll with me and we're rolling gi, you just slap a heel hook on me, because I won't be expecting that and I'll be pissed.

Or that should be part of your training.

Yeah.

And so congratulations.

Well, it is. Yeah. I guess you're right. Tighten it up.

Yeah. I would say that is one of those things. Here's what it is with the hill with gi. Like, if someone busts, because it's so widely known as. As.

Yeah. It's like. So if you get a guy, especially, let's say, extreme scenario, a new guy comes in, he's a purple belt, hungry blue belt. He comes in, he rolls with, you know, one of the instructors, black belt or whatever gi. You know, they're rolling and he's going super hard, and he goes. Goes for a heel hook. Pause right there.

Technically, the what, What. As far as what we're talking about, that should be okay. We're all here training, we're all getting better. He's going hard. Thanks. Thanks for the good training kind of thing he did. But we're essentially trained to see heel hooks with the GI as. As disrespectful. It's against the rules. So embedded in. It's so. It's embedded in the culture, really. But.

Really.

But as far as what we're talking about, like, it's really okay, you know? Yeah. He's busting out a huge.

I'll say. No, that's not okay.

Yeah.

And the reason I'm saying that, I don't even know this is, like, contradictory for me because. But this is the similar thing, right? If You. If you came into the gym and like, you went for heel hook on me, we were training GI and I started punching you in the face right? That. Like, like you weren't expecting that, but you should be prepared for it. It. So there is. If I.

If you understand that that's what you're training like, oh, are we street rules, Punches legal allowed or whatever?

I'm saying there's, there's certain things that are universally. As far as I. I have not been anywhere and I talk to a lot of jujitsu people and I roll a lot of different jujitsu places where it's like, you're wearing a geek. You're, it's, you're, you're cleared hot to do heel hooks.

Yeah.

I have not seen that anywhere.

Me neither.

It should be that way.

Well, I mean created. The thing is, I'm with you. And you know, there's exceptions, of course. And just because I happened as Craig Baker will allow him even say, yeah, yeah, you can heal, it doesn't come up because just like what we're saying, it's so widely known and understood from the beginning, you don't do heel hooks with the gi. It's just. But why is that? We don't really think about why is that. And does it?

Those are the recognized sanctioned rules. Just like the recognized sanction rules say that if we're grappling, I'm not gonna start punching you in the face.

No, but. No, because that's punching in the face and not grappling. Like, if he. It. Punching in the face does deviate from when you, when you start learning Jiu jitsu. Unless it's understood that that's the kind of training you're gonna get. So here's the thing. Okay. When I put on the gi, these, these moves are not allowed. Right. There's no.

Yeah.

I don't know. There's no rules. I mean, sure, I be jjf, but, you know, there's a probably bigger percentage of people that do jiu jitsu have never competed in IBJF tournament. Probably the majority of people. Yet we're following IBJJF rules in training sometimes. Even though actually the GI competitions. I've never heard of a GI competition that allows heel hooks. Yeah. Even at black belt. But who. That's not the point. The point isn't that they're not allowed. So don't do them. That's not the point. The point is why are they not allowed? Given what we're just talking about about.

They're in. In My opinion, they're not allowed because of the propensity or possibility of an injury or I, I, People think that there's a high possibility you could get injured there. They're somewhat accurate because it is a different kind of pain or it's a lack of pain. And so there's a little bit of accuracy.

Yeah, I, I dig it. And I see if, you know, especially if that is true, as far as why they want it, because some people, People might say they don't want it because Jiu Jitsu was, was always looked at as this linear thing. Like Donher mentioned, kind of mentioned part of this where, you know, you get past the legs and you work your way up his body to tap him out. And you can start tapping him out when you get up to the upper body. And the legs were just something you had to get past because they're going to try to kick you and, you know, they have leverage on their own body and all this stuff. And that's it. That's traditionally how we look at Jiu Jitsu, and that's the effectiveness. Jiu Jitsu is. Jiu Jitsu is the best. And all this stuff. Stuff. Now you get, you know, a new person or someone from Sambo or whatever will come in and be like, oh, that's Jiu Jitsu. Or let me go ahead and kind of flip it upside down a little bit and change what this Jiu Jitsu is. And they're like, we don't like that kind of thing.

Yeah, that could be why.

I'm just saying that's what I.

Could be why.

Yeah, could be why. Let me ask you this.

I have, I have heard, like, that people's initial reaction. I, I think I've heard Dean say this. Like, if your reaction is like, oh, that's not good for my game, we'll just outlaw it.

Yeah. So there's. So that's what it resulted in.

Yeah.

Because all Jiu Jitsu guys are training.

This well, that's what judo did. Hey, double leg takedowns are not good for judo against a wrestler. You get someone that's been wrestling for 27 years and they come into. Into judo competition, they hit a double leg. It's not good for the judo player. Yeah.

So guess what kind of thing.

Yeah. And so guess what. What? Outlaw.

Yeah.

Which is a bummer.

Right.

And so, yeah, I'm not, I'm not pro outlawing.

That was the ultimate point there. That's what I heard. So let me ask you this. Do you think in training, he hooks with the G. Just you personally, you think they should be allowed he hooks with the ghee.

I think they should be allowed every time, all the time, everywhere. But they are not right now. And therefore, in my mentality is like, okay, because I'm not going to put myself into a position that a heel hook is available to you unless I know that they're not available.

Exactly. Yeah, I did, and I dig it. And actually, I agree that's the same thing. Like. Like, if we were gonna roll and I just did it, no good. But if I said, hey, before we rolled, like, one, we're walking, or even right before we kind of, you know, shook hands, whatever, I said, hey, heel hooks are a go. That would change the game.

Yeah, it would change the game for sure.

Okay, so same thing. Like, if you're doing no gi and you know guys, like, they just don't know or whatever, they'll grab your shorts, they'll grab your shirt, rash, guard, whatever. They'll grab it, you know, because they just don't know. Even if it's the same deal. Less dangerous, of course, but same deal where it's like, when you start doing that, they'll stop. Be like, hey, you can't do that kind of thing. Yeah. But if you say before you roll, hey, yeah, you can grab shorts, whatever, up to you. Just don't pull them off or something like that. It's kind of one of those deals.

Yeah, you could, I guess, make some ad hoc rules before you start rolling, but. But, yeah, we just go with what's universally accepted at this time.

Slaps in the face, illegal sometimes. It's cool. Whatever.

Check. All right, well, like, I said, a lot of stuff to learn from.

Judo and jiu jitsu to make yourself better in those sports and in life, so. Good.

Yep. The.

I. I was actually pretty. I don't think impressed, but pretty. Yeah. Impressed with the whole book.

Yeah.

Yeah. Except for the part about telling people how to eat.

Telling people how to eat. The calisthenics are no good.

Yeah.

Being buff is a waste of time. There's. There's definitely some. And I.

There's some truth to that.

You know, there's. It's weird because as I'm preparing the podcast, I'm like, okay, do I just say the things in here that I agree with?

Oh, yeah.

That's one way I could do it. Do I. Because one thing that's. I was thinking about when I read a quote from a book people do, they kind of think like, well, I agree with that. Like, I support this unless I outwardly just reject it. And I kind of did half the book where I was like, well, you know, I don't really talk about that because I see where he's coming from, but that's not really my gig. And then I got to other parts where I was like, I have to talk about the fact that he thinks that this stuff is, you know, this is a completely different than what I think, you know?

Yeah.

So, yeah, I. I guess I try and explain myself as I talk about it, but, yeah, there's. There's definitely some things that. That I don't agree with. There's some things that I don't agree with about. About judo. Like, you know, there's things that I don't agree with about Jiu jitsu. I think that's why I think there's a good mixture of the two that would be very powerful. Yeah, bring. We need to bring Dave Camaro on.

Yeah.

You know, some of these other guys that have grown up in judo and are savage at Jiu Jitsu.

Yeah, agree.

So, anyways, cool. Well, speaking of, you know, getting better in Jiu Jitsu and getting better in life.

Sure.

Any suggestions on how people could get better?

Yeah. So when you get. When you start doing Jiu jitsu, what kind GI you're gonna get? That's probably one of the 1, 2, 3, maybe 4 questions you're gonna have. The first four, what kind of gear you get? That's gonna be one of them. That's my guess. That's my prediction.

Shoot. You can be in Jiu Jitsu and still say, hey, what kind of GI should I get? You know, new gi, whatever. Anyway, here's the answer. Origin. You get an origin gi. That's what you do. Because they are factually. Factually. See how rigid I'm being right there? Factually. The best geese there are all made in America, by the way. Different types of geese there. They got some new stuff, by the way. Pete just sent me some new stuff. It's not that new. They're just different, like, styles. It's not geese. It's what I get some sweats.

Oh, okay.

Which happened to be. Happen to be the most comfortable sweats in my experience.

He sent you new stuff and he didn't send it to me?

Sorry, bro.

You know, something must be joggers or something.

They are told they are, and they're really. But nonetheless, back to the geese. Yeah, get them@originmain.com. that's a good one. Support yourself, support the jujits, support life, support America. America. Oh, yeah.

They're made in America.

Yep. From the dirt to the shirt.

From the dirt to the shirt.

The cotton that is grown in America gets. Turns into a ghee. Somehow Pete does that part.

Isn't it kind of cool to think that when you put on a gi, like, there's that. That. That ghee came from a factory in Maine. Came from a. From a factory in Maine that was built specifically to make Jiu Jitsu geese. And that there's people up there, workers up there, craftsmen up there that are sewing that ghee for you. And then it gets put from Maine into a bag and sent to your. Isn't that kind of right?

It is, yeah.

You know, it's not like, can a ghee. Can a ghee have soul? I'm gonna ask you that question, can a ghee have soul? We don't know the answer.

Metaphorically speaking, I guess. Yeah.

But we can make an assessment from the outside. If a ghee has soul, then you'd want that soul to come from Maine.

Right.

And if certain geese had souls, and some geese didn't have souls, you would for sure want the GI with the soul.

Yes, 100%. And if geese do indeed have souls, which I tend to believe they do, they could.

Good.

Then you'd want the good souls, the American soul from Maine.

Yep. Well, if Pete starts making shoes, you'll know that they'll have souls.

Wow.

Echo made it funny.

Nonetheless. Originmain.com. that's where you get them. Also, in Jiu Jitsu. Okay, we gotta be honest here. In Jiu Jitsu, it's physical. You twist your arms, your neck, and your body. Not twist like injury.

It.

But, you know, it gets some work. And with work needs recovery. With recovery comes supplementation. Good supplementation. Krill oil. I feel like I've said the word krill oil probably more than I've said any other food item or dietary supplement in my whole life.

Good.

I'm kind of happy about it because of how beneficial it's got. It got more krill oil, too, by the way, from Pete with the joggers, which are nice, by the way. Way.

Also another one called Joint Warfare. These are all jocko supplements, by the way, if you didn't know. Super krill. Not just regular, super jocko, super krill. Joint warfare, which is another formula for joint maintenance reconstruction. Someone said, hey, I got knee surgery. Is this going to help me?

Yes, yes.

It will help your knee recover. Especially the meniscus situation. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Anything where. Okay, so I'm not gonna go too deep into it, but anything involving cartilage, like these square that don't get a bunch of blood flow.

Okay.

They tend to degenerate over. Well, everything degenerates, but over time.

Not for everyone.

Yeah. No complacency. Right. No backing off. Nonetheless, joint warfare. That's a good one. One maintain the joints. And this goes for any kind of physical activity. Your joints will thank you or you'll thank your joints. You'll thank Jocko for jocko. Krill oil. And joint warfare. Also discipline. Not just regular discipline. There's a supplement discipline. It's a pre mission.

Cognitive enhancing.

Because people were making stuff that helped you physically, like a pre workout, and then they were making nootropics that would help you mentally, like your cognition.

Sure.

And. Well, in my job, especially my old job, guess what? I needed both.

Both.

I needed to be mentally sharp and I needed to be physically sharp.

Yeah.

So I wanted everything in the same, like mix.

Sure. Bland.

That's why we made the discipline.

Yeah. And you didn't want to do the pre workout. And then boom. And then. Okay, let me go ahead and take the other one right here. Okay. Boom. And then, you know you want to get them both. Get them both. One time. Time. One hit, one win.

And you feel it and it feels good.

Yeah.

That's what. Like yesterday I was talking about the rounds I did. Yeah. Because I knew I was coming in, I was going to pay the man, so I just hit the discipline.

Yeah. Yeah. Tastes good too, by the way.

Yeah. Yeah. Tastes amazingly good. What's interesting about it is because that's monk fruit. Yeah, it's monk fruit. You know about monk fruit?

No.

Monk fruit is the sweetener that's used in discipline. It's like whatever, 87,000 times sweeter than sugar. But it's just a fruit, so you only need a little tiny bit in there. Low glycemic and index.

It's low on the glycemic.

Low on the glycemic index. So it doesn't give you the insulin spike.

And we'll just say that's good.

Oh, yeah. Just so people know there's caffeine in it, but there's only 15 milligrams of caffeine. So you're not going to get. Get jittery, but you get a little. A little micro dose.

Yeah.

Of get a little help.

A little. Little.

But monk fruit also, it like helps in a. It's. It's legit.

Yeah. Other benefit on that one nonetheless. It's called Discipline tastes good because Jock wants it to taste good.

Yeah. That kind of freaked you out.

Yeah, it threw me off for sure.

You thought, maybe I just want things to taste horrible so it takes more discipline to drink it.

Not black and white like that. I was like, hm, interesting that that was part of the focus. But hey, good. I say good.

Well, you're going to be really happy that I have this attitude when the. When the protein comes out.

Sure. Mint chocolate chip.

Yeah, the mint chocolate chip. You know, just FYI, it's not normal and it's got the monk fruit in it, so that's the sweetener. So it tastes delish.

And it doesn't taste like anything else. There's no way that it could taste this good and. And be what it is.

Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

So I just made up. I had to make up my own name for it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I dig it. You did the right thing. Did the right thing.

It's called Molk M O L K with the umlat over the O. You know why? Tribute to Motorhead.

Layers.

Layers.

Good, man. I. I think that's good. So.

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty soon people are gonna be on the mo.

When is that?

It's a couple weeks. We've got it. We went through the final testing. It's so I. It's so. It tastes good. It's easy to digest. Easy. All the good things.

Yeah. Cuz. And they so remember back in.

But especially it's mo.

Yeah. It kind of sounds like mead.

This is like. I don't even know what to. This isn't. It's not like a chocolate milkshake. It's not like a protein shake. It's like. It's like, like, it's like moke.

I don't know, man.

Remember Mega mass. I think it was 5,000 or 3,000. 5,000? Was it 5,000?

Probably.

No, it was 1,000, 2,500. It might have been.

Okay.

I think that was at south park. That was 5,000, right?

Double Super Colostrum 7.

Super. I don't know.

Always had these crazy. We used to make fun of those.

Nonetheless, it was super delicious. It was like a big, like dog food bag full of Mega Mask 500 or whatever. It was chocolate. You drink it and it tastes straight up like a chocolate milkshake. And guess what? It probably was just a chocolate.

Yeah, I was gonna say that's the thing. That's. Yeah, you see all kind of like quote health foods nowadays.

Like.

Oh, that's pro. You look at the. Look at the thing on a Protein bar. And then compare the protein bar to a Snickers bar and it's like the same content inside of it.

Stuff.

Yeah, whatever.

Yes.

To be careful.

I saw how it's cool.

That's what was cool about discovering the monk fruit is. Is being able to make stuff taste really good without having the crap artificial sweeteners in it.

Yeah. In a way that's kind of going back to your roots. Right where. Where it's like, okay, we got sweetness. Sweetness is a thing. It's a natural thing. We like it, you know, for a reason. All this stuff. Cool, man. Don't do away with the sweetness.

Yeah.

But you know when you start engineering foods to like. To kind of like the advertising I was talking about.

But wait, maybe I should come up with something that just tastes horrible. You just have to gut check to taste it. Just to test yourself mentally.

Yeah, yeah. See how good that does. Yeah, man. I'm sure everyone will get that. It's just really. Yeah, yeah. The milk. Who made that? Word up. You. Oh, yeah. Motor. Yeah, Gotcha. Nonetheless, that's gonna be available. The moke is gonna be available in a few weeks apparently. Yeah. For the joint warfare and super krill. And this is a good idea by the way. Do the subscription. They're recurring where you get so you don't got to remember. You get down to your last three pills because you don't know if you have like six pills, that's two days. In my case. I don't know how many you take, but I mean I know how many you take, but I don't know how many other people take. You get six pills in there, you don't know how many pills in there. You get one pill. Okay, I know there's only one. By that time, too late. Even six pills. Technically, it's almost too late. Pretty much. You go subscription. Don't worry about that stuff. Boom. Get the subscription. Also like we said, Geese, Rash guards. Compression gear. Joggers.

Most comfortable ones in the world, in my experience. I don't know. Maybe there's a more comfortable one. Maybe not. If there is, I have never seen it.

Do the joggers have a soul?

Probably felt like it.

They touched your soul.

That's the important be comforted it for sure. Hunter.

100%.

100% origin main.com. good way to support. Also in Maine, the Jiu Jitsu immersion camp. Immerse yourself in Jiu Jitsu for half a week, Right? Half a week and a half a week. There's like two sessions. Can you do Both sessions.

Yes, you can.

I mean, is that like a thing? Of course. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Oh, yeah.

So there's an option for that. Boom. One week immersion into jiu jitsu. Just learning, you know, it's not like, like boot camp or like, you know, you're gonna be forced to do a bunch of calisthenics, which we don't advocate apparently anymore.

Oh, no, we still, we still advocate calisthenics.

I advocate especially like a burpee situation, which I think is.

I advocate all kinds of cows. All calisthenics, actually. You can't show me a calisthenic that I don't advocate. Even though people like, are like, sit ups are no good. They work your. So as mostly they don't even work. No, I advocate them too.

I like strong. So it's muscle muscles, by the way. Yeah.

Good. Yeah. Tell me they were like, well, that doesn't even work your abs. It works your SOAS muscles like, cool. I have strong psoas muscles, Next question.

First off, yes, they do work your abs. Trade. Trade. Don't do sit ups for one year. Do all your other stuff and then do five sets of burnout sit ups and then see if your abs are so the next day. Don't say burnout means to failure. Okay, That's a burnout.

Can you even do sit out sit ups to failure?

Oh, yeah. It's hard and. And it's going to burn.

How much time you got to have?

Well, you have the whole day. Here's the thing, okay. The point isn't how many sit ups you can do or don't. Can't do. The point is people saying sit ups don't do your ab muscles. Hip flexor. And so they do that too, but they do your ab muscles nonetheless. I agree with you. Do you do jumping jacks? Yeah, I do jumping jacks too. Actually, I did jumping jacks last week. It was part of a metcon, but.

Still there was an old, old team guy workout.

Jumping jacks, pulling pull ups. I'm sorry, jumping jacks, push ups. You just do jumping jacks and push ups and you think it's no big deal. And then like you're 45 minutes into it, you're like, I hate jumping jacks and push ups.

Yeah. I don't know if I'd ever do something continuously for 45 minutes.

Yeah, well, that was maybe like the first half of that workout. Stupid.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That one would get especially after you.

Want to do anything. You can do any exercise and you can make it suck after 45 minutes. Yeah, like there's. I can't even think of an exercise that doesn't suck after 45. You know, he's doing buds neck rotations. Just do that in the teams too. Yeah, you're just laying down.

It's like.

You're like, okay, I'm just gonna lay down and move my head around.

Oh, laying down.

Yeah, I never lay down. Neck rotations. 1, 2, 3, 1. Yeah. Do that for 45 minutes. You're like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life, but I'm glad we're doing it.

Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right about that. The Met. Well, I figured the key would be if you don't like the whole 45 minutes thing is you do something that's hard enough of a movement that you don't have to do for 45 minutes.

Yeah, that's. That's good. If you don't want to just do something that sucks for 45 minutes.

I did a metcon, like, just kind of representative of what you were talking about earlier, where it was. It was like how many of this, these two movements you can do within a certain amount of time.

Yeah.

So I. Which was different. Usually I set my rest time to a certain time and I do them and boom. And yeah, that was a good, good little change up. Yeah, do that. Or you can do the jumping jacks and pull ups for 45 minutes.

Push ups. This is a time when you wouldn't even have pull up bars. So we're like on a straight up in the ship or something.

Yeah.

Okay. Jumping jacks, push ups.

Yeah.

Everyone just goes, oh, God.

Boring, boring workout. Nonetheless. Back to origin Jiu Jitsu camp. You won't be doing jumping Jacks push ups 100%. Unless you want to. Then you can, you know, but it's more learning Jiu Jitsu, practicing Jiu Jitsu. You no pressure. Unless you put some pressure on yourself, which I recommend.

Yeah, do that, by the way.

Enroll with everybody, you know, do some. What's the word? What's the rolling?

Randori.

Randori.

We'll be doing some randori and some.

Noir and some kata. A lot of kata, by the way. Yeah. Good. A lot of good instructions.

You'll be there?

I will be there.

Dave Burke is going to be there.

Dave Burke's house, big time.

He's got the bug.

Yeah, yeah.

Get some. I haven't talked to JP and. Or Leif. See if they're gonna roll up and roll.

Oh, about the camp. Yeah, yeah. Makes Sense. But yeah, Nonetheless, it is August 26th through September 2nd of this year. Also, speaking of boring workouts, jocko workouts. Doing 45 minutes of jumping jacks and push ups. I don't think so. But if you want an interesting where. Actually I shouldn't, I shouldn't give you. Give you crap about it because I did look on your Instagram and you had like some Bulgarian bag.

Yeah.

On there. So you gotta. You vary your workout. Yeah. Your workout gets interesting. Yeah. Okay. I take it credit. So if you want to make your workout interesting, get some new movements, new equipment in there, go to audit.com. jocko, Jocko, go in there, get you some good kettlebells. Even though kettlebells I guess ultimately could be viewed as boring, you can make them boring. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of.

You're boring.

Yeah. You know what? Ultimately that's really what it is because even me doing the same metcon that I do all the time, all I did was switch up like one teeny tiny thing. So it was more about me than the workout for sure. Or it was a workout about the equipment. Less about the equipment, more about me. Nonetheless, if you want to make it about the equipment, Anna has the equipment. Maces, steel bells. See, I haven't even done that. That's like some advanced creativity stuff. You know, battle ropes, all this stuff that'll get you functional strength and actual strength. Just joking.

Bonus.

That's, you know. Anyway, on it dot com. Jocko. Good spot. A lot of good info on there as well. Also, when you get this book called Mind Over Muscle. Cool.

I'm gonna list it. Can you get it on Amazon?

Yep.

Okay. I'm gonna list it on the website.

This was handed down to me through.

The ancient tradition, bro. Whatever. You had a book before that wasn't available and it looked kind of like that. True. Yeah. Yeah. One of these old school, old style books. Nonetheless. Not this one. When you get it, don't worry, go to jockapodcast.com. i'll put it in the book section with all the books. Boom. Click through there. Good way to support and you get the book. Boom. Also, if you're doing other shopping, go ahead, continue doing that. Get the leaf blower. It's about to be. Actually, it's going to be summer before fall. Huh. So.

So maybe get a weed whacker.

Weed whacker. Some sunscreen, some surf shorts. Yeah, yeah. Get. Get all that stuff. Good way to support and support yourself. Also.

Subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already. Itunes. Stitcher Google Play, whatever your preferred podcast listening device, slash application is subscribe. Good way to support. Also, if you want to leave a review, don't hesitate on that one. Do what Kano says. Make a decision about leaving a review. Make a decision and just go. Don't hesitate on the review. Just do it. Leave it. Like everything in life, you know, Reviews. No different. Also on YouTube. Subscribe to our YouTube channel if you want to. If you care even a little bit about the video version of this podcast and what Jaco looks like. And I don't care if you care about what I look like. But again, and I still get this, by the way, I guess apparently I don't look how I sound.

Is there like, can you match up a voice to a face? You kind of can, huh? Yeah, you can. Yeah. Like you for sure. But it's not like a one to one. It's kind of like a. Like you hear the voice and then there's this ambiguous kind of of group of faces that might go with it. You know, it's one of those deals. It's not just one face comes to mind. And that's kind of. It's not that, but it's like, I guess my face falls way outside of the group of faces that practically may not practically, but that. That seems probably. Probably match my voice.

I guess that's. That's what I hear too.

Apparently I still hear it. So if you care, subscribe to the YouTube channel. I guess technically you wouldn't have to subscribe to. You just look at it. But if you want to support. At the same time, if you want, subscribe to the podcast on YouTube. Also we have excerpts on there. So that's another reason, by the way, you know, you want to share these shorter excerpts with people, have them, watch them, boom. YouTube is the place to do it. Also, some enhanced excerpts. That's what I'm calling them today. Enhance. Put some music on there, make you feel good about it. Here's the thing. You advocate discipline. Like the way you feel doesn't matter. Matter. I would say this. It matters less than discipline. It still does matter.

Yeah.

When you're fired up to go do a workout. Whatever, bro. When you're fired up to go do a workout versus the day when you really don't want to do a workout.

Why is it then all the time people like, oh, I didn't want to work out today, but I did anyways and I set a PR in my. Whatever.

Yeah.

Why does that happen?

That happens sometimes.

So your theory.

No, no, no.

Lock it up.

No, I wasn't done. It wasn't done. With my theory.

If you feel like working out and you're fired up to go work out, that's gonna be a good workout. Chances are, not all the time. I get it. If you really don't feel like working out, you're dragging ass. Dragging. You got 5.5 hours of sleep. And you're not Jocko, by the way. And.

You ate some Snickers or something like this and you're like, dang, I still gotta work out. You really don't feel like it, and you have a bunch of other stuff to do.

Do.

And you go work out.

I ever tell you about snickerdoodle?

No. What is. I mean, I know what, us.

This guy in the teams whose name happened to be Nick.

Sure.

And we were like new guys and we went on a compass course. The only food that he brought out in the field was. Was Snickers. Like, you know, like the 12 pack of Snickers.

Sure. Yeah, I assume.

Yeah, he brought. He bought like 312 packs of stickers and that's all he brought for 5 days case. Dang. It didn't go down well?

No, I wouldn't think so.

He got a mega diarrhea case.

So the whole marketing.

So his nickname was Snickerdoodle. After that. His name was Nick. Yeah, Snickerdoodle. Pretty funny. Yeah, he was pretty bummed out actually after that one.

It's good we had a guy named Snickers on our football team at, uh, Snickers. He was like. He was the center.

Oh, that was his last name?

No, it was his nickname full on. But I did. That's how. You know how certain guys have. Their nickname is so strong. You don't really, you know, like you. It was like that. Nonetheless, back to the point. If you're fired up to go work out, chances are you can have a better workout. Same thing with the Jocko's message. If you're fired up to listen to it, it might sink in. Better might you put some good music on it. Boom. Might sink in better. It might. I don't know. It's enhanced, you know, know, special messages. Nonetheless, the point there is subscribe to YouTube channel if you want. Good way to support. Also, Jocko is a store. It's called Jocastor Jocko store dot com. Patches are in. Guys been hitting me up.

I haven't seen beanies on there.

Yeah, you know, we got a process. Well, here's the thing.

I gotta have them right in time. For July.

So we got that going for us.

Yeah, you know, I'm just.

Good job.

Hey, man, you know, better late than never, I guess, with. With those in the meantime.

Doesn't apply when it's summertime and you get a bead in the mail. Does not apply.

Well, maybe I'll get the thin one.

So you straight late.

Do it for.

There's nothing better about it.

No doubt about it. Hey, look, you're right. And we're still gonna work hard on the beanies and get them. Get them out. Quality. Can't rush great greatness. Quality, dude. You know what I'm saying?

Nine months for a beanie. That's not about rushing. Could have come through with all kinds of quality, like, mega quality. Those things could have been knitted from cashmere.

Could have grown the cotton. Yeah. All right, well, I'm gonna continue to work and, you know, when they're out, they're gonna be out. They're gonna be fantastic.

They better be.

All right. There you go.

Amazing. In the meantime, maybe it takes a lot to get a soul into a beanie.

Yep. Yeah, it could be in the meantime time. Do some cool shirts on there. I think they're cool. Disney equals freedom. Get after it. That's a good one. Simple to the point.

Back to the book.

That's a new one, I think.

Put on another titles.

Yeah, all of them on the back. Well, all the book titles up until the point. Yeah.

So up until what? Podcast. You should figure that out. That's like a layer. Yeah, should be the first hundred. But you probably didn't do that.

I think it was. No, no, no. It was like hundred. Something.

Something layers been missed. That's fine, because then we could put it on another back of the book at 200.

Yeah, like the updated version.

Missed layer.

Yeah. Yeah, Maybe. Maybe not. Or maybe I'll add a layer because layers are edible. Edible. Maybe you can add layers. You see what I'm saying? Anyway, some shirts on there, some rash guards on there. Some patches there. Like I said, some women's stuff on there. Hoodies. Also decals. You know what decal is this?

Jesse's decals.

Jesse's decals. Here's the thing with decals where they're. They're essentially a sticker. Right. And we all know what decals I. And I understand, but he uses, like, this st. Like, the material for this decal is, like, supposed to survive the apocalypse. No, that's like that kind decals. Okay. Anyway, Good way to support.

Play around with it.

No, not at all. And this kid, like, he was like, what? We, you know, we go back and forth and he's like, yeah, I make decals. I was like, yeah, that's a good idea. Whatever. And then another company called, I think it was called Echelon Front, something like this, they got some decals. And I was like, dang, these decals. And obviously prompted me to. Okay, we need our decals. They're legit. They are legit. And they're on Jocko store dot com, by the way. Good way to support. If you want something, get something. Also psychological warfare. If you don't know what that is. This is. Is what it is. It's an album with tracks of Jocko helping you through. This is what the track is. It's a. It's not a music track. It's Jocko on there. Every track, helping you get through your moment of weakness. And we have them. I have them. Jocko has them. Even though he, you know, is reluctant to admit that from time to time.

And what it does is, let's say you're gonna skip the workout. I think. Skipping workout. This is my opinion. Skipping workout. And cheat. Not cheating on a diet. Can you cheat on a diet? Technically, yes. Yeah. Huh. It's like you're cheating.

You weren't supposed to do this, and you did it anyways.

Yeah. You betrayed your. Your. Yourself, you know, because you have a future self. See what I'm saying? Like, yourself of right now will make like a. A protocol. Right. And then your future self essentially cheats on your.

Yeah, yeah. I saw some meme of Homer Simpson saying, like, oh, this guy's future's not looking good. He's eating like a donut or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right? So, yeah, technically it is. If you're cheating on your past self on the diet, don't worry about that. You start feeling that feeling coming. Come along. You gotta track for that. You just listen to it, and it's essentially like Jocko telling you why you shouldn't slip. Why you shouldn't slip down that slippery slope in whatever activity. Some good ones on there. Procrastination, all that stuff. So, yeah, check that one out. Good way to support. Very effective, too.

That's on itunes. Apple Music. No, Apple.

Amazon.

Amazon Music. Google Play. Apple itunes. Wherever you can get MP3s, that's where you can get it. Also, you can get. From Amazon, you can get Jocko white tea. It tastes really good. It does have 15 grams of caffeine, so that's a little microdose dose. That's why I put 15 grams of caffeine inside the discipline because that was the dose that I like. It has, but. But it's only 15 milligrams so you don't get jittery. It also has a high level of antioxidants. That's what the pomegranate does. That's why it's pomegranate white tea. And of course, in addition to those things, it is the only white tea that comes the guaranteed 8,000 pound den left.

Solid. So that's good, you got that going for you. You even Jordan Peterson now, you know, I got a text from him and he's up to 8,000.

Oh, dang.

Okay, so because he was plateaued at £7,000, as he admitted on. He doesn't like to admit his weaknesses either, but there it was.

Yeah, it's hard.

£7,000, you know, pretty, pretty sad books. No, now he's 8,000, so good for him.

Oh, good.

Yeah, all it took was a little Jockaway tea. Also, we got some books. I got some books. I got a. I got a book called Way the Warrior Camera Kid. The principles of being a warrior and really of being a good human being. And they're in there and they are simple and they're clear enough for a six year old, a seven year old, an eight year old, an 80 year old to understand them. And it gets better because the story continues in the book Way The Warrior Kid 2. Mark's mission. And this book starts to hit on some other principles in life. Keeping your emotions under control, working hard, being frugal, saving money. And also dealing with Nathan James.

Nathan James, new bully, psychological bully, a little bit different. Mark wants to fight him. Mark figures, hey, I've been training Jiu jitsu, I'm gonna fight this guy. But instead, Uncle G. Uncle Jake says, no, you can fight him. First you have to gather intelligence on him. You have to figure out what's going on with.

Nathan James, understand why he's your enemy, and see if there's another way to solve this problem besides fighting. Turns out to be very good. Also, Mark has a Jiu Jitsu tournament coming up. And guess what? He doesn't want to compete in it. He doesn't want to do his first Jiu Jitsu tournament. Why? Because he's afraid. He's afraid of losing, he's afraid of failing. Fear of failure. That's bad. So he's got all these problems. How does he overcome them? Well, luckily Uncle Jake's in the house. Uncle Jake is out for the summertime. Gives him a hand order. That book is going to be available April 24. Same thing with all the other books. Well, the last two books that have come out, it's going to sell out. The publisher doesn't understand how many books to make. They want to hedge their bets, so they're just gonna make a certain amount. So the more people order now, first of all, you'll get it when it comes out. And second of all, they'll know that they need to make more and order it from wherever. Order it from Amazon, order it from Barnes Noble. But go into your local bookstore. This is a mission. Go to your local bookstore and tell them you want the book. Mark's mission, Weigh the warrior kid, too. Tell them you want that. That will help spread the word.

And also, while you're helping out warrior kids, check out irishoaksranch.com where you can get soap made by young aiden, who's only 12 years old. He's got his own business. And the soap isn't just any soap. It's good soap. And he actually called it Jocko soap. And the Jocko Soap motto that I made up, Aiden gets no credit for this. The motto is stay clean. And someone said there's a layer in that steak Lean.

Stay clean. So layers, no big deal.

Big time, actually.

Yeah. Also, don't forget about the Discipline equals Freedom Field manual. This is the manual for getting after it. Thoughts and actions that will keep you off the slippery slope and to keep you on the path. The path of discipline and thereby, as the title says, the path of freedom. If you want the audio version of that, it's not on audible. It's an album with tracks. Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual on itunes, Amazon Music, Google Play, that's where you can get it. Also, extreme ownership, combat leadership broken down into pragmatic strategies and tactics that you can apply to your business, business and life.

Boom.

Still on the Amazon bestseller list, still on Wall Street Journal. Keeping it real. And if you want or you need to take it to the next level. Echelon Front is my leadership and management consulting company. The overwhelming factor in the success of any business or team is leadership. That's what it is. And at Echelon Front, we come to your company and train and align your leadership so that you work effectively together as a team to dominate your battlefield. It's me. It's my brother. Leif Babin. JP Dinell, Dave Burke. You can email info@echelonfront.com or visit the website echelonfront.com and of course, the Muster is our leadership seminar. We're only doing two this year. Washington, D.C. may 17th and 18th and San Francisco, 10-17-18th. The D.C. muster is 2/3 sold out right now. It's two thirds sold out and it's going to sell out soon. The SF Muster is in October and it's already a third sold out. So both of them are absolutely going to sell out. We can't expand the spaces anymore. We packed as many chairs as they're in there as we can and desks so we can't fit any more people. So. So if you want to come, get registered now@extreme ownership.com the entire echelon front team will be there, all of us, including Echo Charles. And by the way, there's no green room. We won't be backstage getting our. Getting our scalps massaged. No, we will be out front. We'll be kicking it with you, interacting, answering questions, talking, eating, working out, hanging out. Just basically getting after it with you. So come and get it at the Magister, at the muster. Get registered as quick as you can. And until we do the muster, if you have questions or comments or answers or you just want to cruise with us kind of hard, then you can find us on the interwebs, on Twitter, on Instagram, and on Defi Shibuki. Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink. And thanks to you all for listening to the podcast, especially those of you in uniform who took an oath to protect this country. And you stand by that oath literally around the world on the front lines and to the police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and all the first responders, responders that are always on call to help us when the chips are down and that are ready to make that sacrifice like so many did on September 11th. Thank you for what you do. And let's remember and give thanks to the people every day, like Jeremy Glick, who stood up.

Along with the other members of Flight 93. They stood up and fought. Fought when the time called for it.

And let us all be prepared to do the same, to stand up and fight if we need to, to be prepared to face evil by staying on the path, by knowing what your principles are and sticking to them.

Be vigilant.

Pay attention. Pay attention to the little things, the little decisions, the decisions that pull you off the path and onto that slippery slope with bad habits that will let you down at the moment of truth.

Watch out for those little decisions. Instead, Stay on the path, the path of discipline, the path that leads to security and strength and, of course, to freedom.

And that's the path of getting after it.

So, until next time, this is Echo and Jocko out.