Dr. David Minkoff: Autoimmune Issues, Lyme Disease & Cancer | TUH #040

What's brilliant about perfect amino is that it's 99% utilized, which is true.

Well, you really need the amino acids to sustain the structural integrity of your body.

I had been a vegetarian because I thought that this was the healthiest way you could be. Your average person loses about 25 to 30% of their lean body mass between age 20 and 60. I was losing lean body mass and I didn't even know it.

As we get older, we actually need more amino acids, more proteins. In the majority of cases, in my opinion, we see the expression of disease and the expression of pathology because of deficiencies in the body.

The only thing better that comes naturally is.

Ultimate human.

Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breco.

Where we go down the road, everything anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today I am really excited to have a very special guest, someone I consider a close friend on the podcast. He drove all the way down to see me from Tampa. So we're in Miami right now. And this doctor, who's sort of certified board certified in pediatrics and also has a fellowship in infectious disease, is completed 44 Ironman triathlons, wrote an incredible book which is a must read if you are looking at improving your athletic performance. It's called the Search for the Perfect Protein. What you think you know about proteins may shock you, and what you don't know about proteins may also shock you. And this doctor runs one of the largest integrative medicine clinics in the country. So welcome to the podcast. Dr. David Minkoff. I am really, really happy to have you on the podcast today. And I think this is going to be. It's one of those podcasts where I have so much intellectual curiosity for what you've done in your practice and the areas where you have had success in treating your patients. And my audience is going to be fascinated by our discussion today. But, you know, we were talking before the podcast about where are we going to start? And there were just so many areas. You know, my, my chief of staff was like, you guys are going to eat each other's face. But, you know, one, one of the areas that I'd like to talk about, I'd, I'd love to talk about your books, the Search for the. The Perfect Protein, because in this book you talk about weight loss, depression, fatigue, insomnia, as some of the things that protein deficiency and protein imbalance could lead to. So can you just give us an overbook of an overview of what led to the Search for the perfect protein.

Great.

So in doing Ironman triathlons, there's a lot of training. So a lot of swim, bike, run, yoga, weights, the whole thing. And I got injured. I tore my hamstring and I did for about a year. I could not get it to heal. I iced it and colded it and injected it and chiropractored it and massaged it and it just never stably got strong. So that if I would try to go out and go to the track and do a workout, I could feel if I was going to push it, it was going to tear again. And so I was on a search just like where, like something's wrong, but I didn't know what it was. And I ran into a guy and he started talking to me about amino acids. And amino acids are the building blocks for protein.

And you know, I think most people think amino acids are proteins, right?

But they're not proteins, they're not protein. So it's, you have a structure and it's made. So we have this building, this beautiful building that we're in here now. But it's made out of different things. It's got concrete and it's got, you know, different kinds of fabrics and it's got wood and it's got all these things. And when you put those things together, you get a building. So in nature, There's a debate. 20 to 22amino acids. Amino, in great, in Greek means nitrogen. So these are nitrogen containing molecules and they're in nature. And our bodies use these molecules to build protein. So if someone eats, let's say a steak, it goes into their stomach, it gets digested, it gets broken down from this long chain of amino acids, which are a protein, into individual amino acids. Because if you, if you took one steak fiber, one meat fiber, and you counted how many amino acids were in there, it's about 5,600amino acids per single fiber.

Wow.

Now that fiber is too big for our intestine, our small intestine to accept. So it has to be broken down. So it goes into the stomach. Protein digestion starts in the stomach. There's an enzyme there called pepsin and it's, it starts being chopped up and then it goes into the small intestine, it gets chopped up. Chopped up until there's single amino acids, sometimes 2 or 3, but they're small enough to actually get in to the bloodstream. To the bloodstream. So then they go to the bloodstream, they go to the cells, the cells take in those amino acids and then the Cells have a way to assemble them into the proteins that they're making. So enzymes are proteins, like enzymes for energy, enzymes for digestion, enzymes for detoxification. Hair is protein, skin is protein, muscles are protein. The whole immune system is protein. All the communication particles, many of the neurotransmitters and the hormones are protein based.

And I think most people associate amino acids and proteins with just lean muscle, like eat protein to have big muscles. And we just think that amino acids are only important for building healthy muscle tissue, which is true, but the immune system and all of these other structures.

Yeah. I mean, the biggest protein in the body is collagen, which is the structural proteins. And the second biggest one is hemoglobin. It's the blood, you know, it's the, it's the component of blood. So. And so this assembly project for the body is going on 24 hours a day. And one of the, one of the most interesting examples, if you take the, the, the gut lining, like the cells that line the membranes from your mouth to your bottom, if you spread them out, it would be the surface area of about two tennis courts. Now that membrane is supposed to turn over. Like you get a new layer about every three or four days.

Wow.

So those cells die. New ones have to be made. It's a massive project. Now all of our body, about every 84 days or so, the body pretty much turns over. Tissues are at a different rate. The back of the retina, the macula, where the, where the vision is, the, is the, where you can see. The sharpest. Every two days you get a new layer.

Wow.

So we need amino acids in mass in order to supply the building materials for the body. Now the body is able to recycle them. When we're little, the recycling is very good.

Okay.

When you get older, the recycling isn't very good. And so your protein, you're actually, your amino acid requirements go up as you get older.

Right.

Because you don't digest them as well, you don't recycle them as well. And if you're going to maintain your body, you're going to maintain your inner membranes and your eyes and your bones. You got to have a very good source of amino acids.

So you're of the school that as we get older, we actually need more amino acids, more proteins, which, by the way, agrees with the guest I had on last week. Dr. Valter Longo was one of the, one of the leading authorities on fasting.

Yeah.

And he said the same thing. After age 65, your protein requirements go up considerably yeah. Which is kind of.

Your average person loses about 25 to 30% of their lean body mass between age 20 and 60. So that's muscle, it's bone, it's tendon, it's brain. It's lost because the body is not getting enough or is unable to utilize it well enough to keep the tissues healthy.

Now, is that sarcopenia or is that.

Well, that's sarcopenia, but it's not just sarcopenia. When I. Before I started. Before I started taking what we now call perfect amino. So it's a mixture of. Of essential amino. I take it every day. Yeah, yeah. So we take these. Essentially, before I started taking it, I had been a vegetarian. Okay. Okay. Because I thought that this was the healthiest thing way you could be. So I was a vegetarian. I'm doing triathlons. The demands on the body were high. I get my injury, and then I started playing with amino acids, and we got a formula where the. Where the, The. The amino acids were like the exact right ratio for the body to utilize, like, maximally. So, like, if you put this stuff in, 99% of it would actually go toward making body protein.

Wow.

Okay. And so what I found after a couple of months is that I put on about nine pounds of lean body mass. My leg healed. I went to Ironman Canada, which is a very tough race. It's a mountain race. It's the swims at a very cold lake. And I had my best time ever, three months after just recovering from a hamstring injury. And I'm. I was looking at it and did some body analysis. My waist wasn't any bigger. My biceps didn't. Didn't measure any bigger. But I filled in heart, liver, bones, tendons, because they were wasting. I was in the same as everybody else. I was losing lean body mass, and I didn't even know it. And back then, this is, you know, 20 years ago, the awareness of body mass and DEXA scanning and all this stuff, it. No, you know, nobody was really looking at any of this stuff.

Sure.

So my body didn't look any different. But I bet you I was getting toward osteopenia because my. I wasn't getting enough protein to keep the structure of my body.

So. And. And really getting enough amino acids to keep this.

Well, that's the thing. The essential thing is the amino acids. It's not the protein. And so it does matter what protein you eat, because the makeup of the protein, like the amino acid makeup of proteins makes a difference. And there's depending on who you talk to eight or nine essential amino acids that, depending on how much of each of those is in the protein, gives you the quality of the protein. And quality is how much of it can your body actually utilize to make its own protein.

So what would be some good protein sources? And by good, I mean, how would.

You rank proteins for?

You probably rank amino acids very high, but in terms of ingesting protein, meat, eggs, poultry, plant sources, how would you. How would you rank proteins?

So you can measure this, and there is a formula where you can measure how much. So amino acids differ from the other two macronutrients. So the macronutrients are carbohydrates and fats and proteins. Proteins amino have nitrogen, carbohydrates and fats don't have nitrogen.

Okay.

If you take the amino off the protein, you have a carb. Okay. So these, all the fats and carbs are carbon, hydrogen, oxygen mixtures. Amino acids have nitrogen, Sometimes they have sulfur. So if you. You can measure, okay, get someone in neutral nitrogen balance, like they've had a really good diet for a month, and then feed them a monoprotein source. Let's just start with whey proteins. Feed them whey protein for a month. And you collect urine every day. And you measure how many grams of nitrogen came in. So proteins are about 16% nitrogen.

Okay.

So if I ate 100 grams of whey protein. So fruits and vegetables have negligible proteins in them. So eat fruits and vegetables and just whey protein. And let's say you took 100 grams a day of whey protein, that would equal about 16 grams of nitrogen. Okay, so in is 16 grams. Now we're going to measure how much comes out, Right. Most of it comes out of the urine, a little bit in sweat, a little bit in feces, but most of it is coming out of the urine. Okay.

Okay.

So we do this for a month. You know, 100 grams in every day. How much comes out? And if you do the equation, about 84% comes out.

Wow.

Which means that the amino acid wasn't made into a protein because it came out. If it got made into bone or muscle or the back of your eye or hair, it doesn't come out.

It would have been utilized.

It would have been utilized. And utilized equals made into a protein.

And is this on whey protein?

Whey protein is about 16%.

Wow.

Soy is about 16 or 17%. Okay. Plant proteins are all below 10.

Wow.

Because they're missing essential amino acids, you know, leucine, methionine in the Plant proteins is very low, so the body needs those and they just don't get enough. The, the shocker one is collagen.

Yeah.

Because collagen doesn't have tryptophan, which is one of the essential amino acids. So theoretically, if you just had collagen and you couldn't recycle any of your proteins, you wouldn't be able to make protein because it's missing tryptophan. And virtually all the proteins in the body except collagen has tryptophan. So then if we go up the scale, meats and fish are in the 33% amino acid utilization. Okay. The best one is whole chicken egg, or the second best one is whole chicken egg, which is about 48%.

So these are your pasture raised eggs.

That's right.

Yeah.

But you got to eat the yolk.

Right.

Because methionine is mainly in the yolk. And if you just eat egg whites, your utilization goes down to 16 or 17%. So don't eat egg whites. It's not a very good protein source. The yolk is like, super important. The only thing better that comes naturally is food is breast milk.

Okay.

And breast milk's about 49% utilized. But breast milk's hard to get.

Yeah.

It's socially frowned upon at our age.

Yeah, yeah.

Now what's, what's brilliant about perfect amino is that it's 99 utilized.

Right.

Like, if you do the measurement, 99% of it stays in, less than 1% of it comes out. So the massive success stories that we get from people who take it, like my chronic plantar fasciitis healed. My hair is now growing too fast. I have to go to the hairdresser too often. My nails are growing again. My digestion is better. My energy is better. It's because they are able to utilize this to make their body protein and they can fill in their bodies the way I was feeling mine.

Right. I think what's really interesting about your story about the loss of lean body mass is when we. When people think about losing lean body mass, they think about just losing a little bit of muscle. But you're talking about bone, connective tissue, you know, collagen, the structure, the. The actual structure of the, of. Of the human body. And that amino acids are responsible for structural integrity in much more than just bone. And I think that's the message I really want to resonate with people as we think I have to eat protein to sustain my muscle mass, which is true. Well, you really need the amino acids to sustain the Structural integrity of your.

Body and the functional integrity, because all the enzyme, an enzyme is a protein. So all the enzymes that are needed for millions and billions of reactions that occur in the body, if the body is short on enough essential amino acids, those enzyme systems are going to be slow. We see people who are hypothyroid, like, you measure their level of thyroid hormone in their body, and it's low. And then we do panels on people, so we measure what are their amino acid levels. And you see that their tyrosine level, which is the parent compound for thyroid hormone. Well, they've got low tyrosine. And then you look at their iodine levels, and they got low iodine levels. And they're not hypothyroid because anything's wrong with their thyroid. They're hypothyroid because their thyroid needs these materials in order to build the hormone. And so you give them back tyrosine, you give them iodine, and sometimes they need selenium and zinc and magnesium, some other cofactors, and then whoop, their. Their thyroid hormone goes back up to normal and they were deficient. This thing you say all the time is what's wrong with the body. It's got deficiencies. Well, it absolutely does. That's what's wrong.

And this fits so well philosophically with what. What I talk about all the time, which is, you know, in the majority of cases, in my opinion, we see the expression of disease and the expression of pathology because of deficiencies in the body. And when you rob the body of certain raw materials, you get the expression of that disease. And, you know, I have seen, and in clients that I've worked with and my clinical team has worked with, miracles happen in the human body when you just give it the raw material it needs to do its job.

Right.

Thyroid is another big one, and I loved it. To take a little diversion real quick and talk about.

Can I just. Just give one more thought on this? Because this is. This is sort of a crux of a whole lot of stuff. There are tens of millions of people that are walking around that are taking medication that block stomach acid.

Yes.

So they are prescribed Pepcid or Tagamed proton pump inhibitors. Proton pump or Nexium. You know, these drugs are very popular. They used to be prescription only now most of them are over the counter. Now what that drug does is it blocks the stomach from being able to produce hydrochloric acid. Okay. So these people have indigestion. They think it's because of the acid. They turn off the Acid, they feel better. I get it. In the PDR and the physician test reference, it says that these drugs should not be used for more than two or three weeks. So if you've got a bleeding ulcer, yes, the drug is great. But after two or three weeks, when the ulcer's healed, if you keep on that drug, you're setting yourself up for a host of problems. Now, one of the problems is you don't absorb minerals when you don't have acids. So you get mineral deficient. The food that we eat isn't sterile, and so you eat some sushi. Well, there's bacteria and parasites and all kinds of stuff on there. And the main defense for the body to prevent this stuff from getting into your small intestine is to nuke it with high acid. The pH of the stomach is like one or two to kill bacteria that kill the bacteria and the parasites. There is an epidemic now of sibo. Sibo is small bacterial intestinal overgrowth. And people have bloating and gas, and they feel bad. Well, they're on acid blockers. And so the bacteria are getting through their stomach and they're growing in their small intestine where there's lots of food, it's nice and warm, and they do really well. But an even bigger thing is the enzyme which starts protein digestion in the stomach is called pepsin. It's not active unless there's acid there. And so you eat a steak or you eat a piece of fish, or you have some eggs and you don't have enough acid in your stomach, which means the enzymes which start the whole digestion process doesn't. The digestion doesn't occur. And so while you may be eating enough proteins or amino acids, you're not digesting it. It never makes it into your bloodstream, and you become deficient.

Right.

And so we've measured thousands of patients where we measure their serum amino acid levels when they come into the clinic. And 95% of people are deficient. All vegetarians and vegans are way deficient.

Wow.

But virtually everybody is deficient in essential.

Amino acids, and they can just supplement with amino acids.

Well, if they take something like perfect amino. It doesn't need to be digested. It's already in the digestible form, and it's actually absorbed through the stomach and into the small intestine. And within like 23 minutes, you can measure these things in the bloodstream. The levels go up. So you sort of bypass one of the big glitches that occurs in many, many people. So you can rehabilitate their protein digestion or their protein levels in their body.

And so what do we do with those people that actually do develop sibo.

This small potato, their protein digestion or their protein levels in their body?

And so what do we do with those people that actually do develop sibo, this small bound bacterial growth overgrowth? Because we see a lot of people online, I mean, there are entire chat forums that are dedicated to just sibo.

How do you address it?

I would say, I would imagine first you restore the acid balance to the stomach.

You have to restore the acid balance. You have to also restore digestive balance. And then you have to be able to give them things. I don't go to. The usual drug is called xifaxan. I don't like, and I'm an infectious disease guy, so I don't, you know, I, you know, antibiotics have their use, but usually you can cure this with less sort of invasive things. So at body health, we have a product called Bioclear. It's really good. It's a mixture of essential oils and herbs. And we find that when we do those two things, and then we give some immunoglobulin concentrates, they're kind of like colostrum, but they're a little bit different where they help heal the intestinal mucosa. And we give them another thing, which is, it's a mineral mix which helps to seal the leaky gut. Huge fan of 90 of these patients. Their sibo goes away. They're bloating, their heartburn, their gas, they get better. And it doesn't take that long. Within a month or two, they feel better.

Yeah.

And they start having normal stools.

But, but you can't. You know, when you take people off of proton pump inhibitors, these PPIs or they're constantly on, you know, tums or Rolaids or other, other antacids. You can't just stop them from, from taking these and drop them off a cliff. This is a slow process to where they. And how do you keep the gastroesophageal reflux from coming back? And what are some ways we see in, in, in methylation when, when patients are sometimes put on the proper nutrient regimen, you'll see that, that, that, that sphincter strength kind of returns to that cardiac sphincter and the acid's no longer splashing out of the stomach.

Right.

The main trigger for that muscle to close is acid. And it's a beautiful system. You know, you eat some food, the stomach cells make acid. When the ph is in the 1 to 2 range, there's a trigger for that muscle to close. Then the reflex stops. What happens in many people, and these are maybe people too, who aren't on acid blockers. But with aging, most people don't make enough stomach acid by the time they're probably 35 or 40. Like if you put a capsule down there and you measure their acid level, it's maybe four or five. So vinegar is about four, four and a half. Now it's acid. It tastes acidy. But vinegar's that acid level is not enough to close the sphincter. So the sphincter's not closed. The ph of the stomach is four that gurgles back up. The stomach lining has a mucosa that protects it, but the esophagus doesn't. And they get burns. So most of these people, we give them stomach acid. Our digestive enzyme product has stomach acid in it. And we just have them raise the level. Sometimes one tablet, two or three tablets with each meal. They get enough acid in there, the darn thing closes, their gerd goes away. They actually never needed an acid blocker. They needed more acid.

That's wild. That is absolutely wild. You know, before I wanted to take a detour, as you were talking about amino acids and their impact on thyroid and thyroid hormones and being raw material for, for hormone production. But so many people listening to this podcast right now have the Hashimoto, they needed more acid. That's wild. That is absolutely wild. You know, before I wanted to take a detour as you were talking about amino acids and their impact on thyroid and thyroid hormones and being raw material for hormone production. But so many people listening to this podcast right now have the Hashimoto, the autoimmune disease, where the immune system is, you know, an antibodies against the thyroid. You know, I would say that hundreds and hundreds of these cases come in every, every month across the nation. And our clinics look, the autoimmune disease, where the immune system is, you know, an antibodies against the thyroid. You know, I would say that hundreds and hundreds of these is coming every, every month across the nation on our clinics alone. And I'm sure that somebody listening to this has got Hashimoto's. What are, what are you doing in your integrative medicine clinic with Hashimoto's patients phone. And I'm sure that somebody listening to this has got Hashimoto's what are, what are you doing in your integrative medicine clinic with Hashimoto's patients? And how are you addressing that?

It's it's. There's a bunch of stuff that leads to an autoimmune condition. So autoimmune, your immune system is supposed to be able to identify self, which is my cells, from not self, which is everything else. And every cell in our body has a label on it that is, I got my label and you got your label. If I try to give you some of my cells, like an organ, your body will say, that's the wrong label. I'm going to go after you. Right, okay. But our immune system, when it can get confused about, is this my label or is this a foreign label? Now, if you have thyroid tissue, I think the, the origin of autoimmune disease is a gut that lets things through. So called leaky gut that shouldn't get through. Now, 70% of your immune system is around your small intestine. It's called Peyer's patches. Gut associated lymphoid tissue. That's where the stuff sits. And nature put that there because that's the biggest place where foreign stuff could get in because we're eating all the time. The food comes in and out of.

The intestine and into the bloodstream.

Yeah. And then if it gets into the bloodstream, then you could get sick. You could get bacteria or viruses or parasites or stuff to get that gets through. So the membrane, the barrier is supposed to be tight.

Okay.

Now that thing loosens up with all medications, all toxins, chemicals, pesticides, fast food, all this garbage that people put in our body, it breaks the membrane down. Now you have, remember I said the amino acids can get through, but full proteins can't get through? Well, they can't get through unless there's a hole in that membrane.

Right?

Now, they get through. The immune system is set up to identify foreign proteins. Now, if you have some calf liver and that protein goes through, well, that immune cells sees that protein, it's like, hey, you're not supposed to get in here. And it makes an immune attack on.

It, which it would not do if it were an amino acid. So it had already been digested and passed through a smaller membrane and made it into the bloodstream as an amino acid.

Exactly right. Okay. Now, our tissues look a lot like some of the animal tissues that we eat. And the immune system does a. Hey, that looks like that. Oh, that looks like that too. Well, I'm going to attack that. Now, I think the majority of cases, that's what happens. But if you get a thyroid that's full of plastics or heavy metals or root canal toxins, or ddt. Those cells look funny and the immune cell says, hey, that looks funny. I'm gonna go after it.

Right.

And then in Hashimoto's, you see these enzymes, thyroid peroxidase and antithyroglobulin. You see the body making those things as an attack on the thyroid. Yes. Now the body's not ddt, those cells look funny and the immune cell says, hey, that looks funny. I'm gonna go after it.

Right.

And then in Hashimoto's, you see these enzymes, thyroid peroxidase and antithyroglobulin. You see the body making those things as an attack on the thyroid.

Yes.

Now, the body's not stupid. It's really smart and it's very efficient. It never does anything for nothing.

Right.

So when it's doing that, it means there's a reason. And what we got to do, when we look at Hashimoto's, we are looking at what are the reasons and the reasons are like there's two categories. The guy's missing something that should be in his body or he's got stuff in his body that shouldn't be there.

Right.

Stupid. It's really smart and it's very efficient. It never does anything for nothing. It all reduces. Well, he's got mold toxins and he's got heavy metals and he's got insecticides and chemicals and dyes and.

And they embed themselves in the thyroid tissue. And now the, the immune system is on the hunt for that.

That's right. And it's the same with rheumatoid arthritis. It's the same with ulcerative colitis. These autoimmune conditions which are. Yeah, I mean they're, they're on a huge upsurge.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

And the, you know, like the, I think it's the most prescribed drug right now are, is either Embryil or Humira. These are drugs which block the immune system. So someone has an auto, a significant autoimmune disease and they're put on these drugs to do what? Block the immune system.

Shut it down.

Shut it down.

Wow.

Now you might shut down someone's symptoms and people do feel better for as long as they work and maybe an emergency, that would be the right thing to do. But if that's your plan in a 40 year old, you see on the advertisement in the small print, well, you could get tuberculosis, you could get cancer, you could get this, you could get that. Well, you can, because your immune system is now shut down. So while you're Doing that, you better look for what is the underlying cause. Infection's another one. Like Lyme disease. Virtually almost every autoimmune disease that we see, these people also with the rest of the stuff, they have Lyme disease.

And so every one of these autoimmune conditions, they have.

Almost every one.

And are you of the school of thought that lyme disease only comes from ticks, or do you think.

No, it definitely comes from mosquitoes. I think any insect that bit something that got infected can bite you.

Okay.

And then you can get infected.

Yeah.

Because people are like, how did I get Lyme disease? I mean, I'm not in Maine with ticks on my head.

And, you know, these ticks are about as big as a piece of pepper.

Right.

And in probably at least 95% of the cases, at least the ones we see, there was no bullseye rash. There was no fever. There was no prodrome. They had nothing. They lived in. You know, they lived in Maryland or New York or in Florida, where there are ticks and where they got bit or where there are mosquitoes and they got bit and they got it. And if they have a very good immune system and the dose that they got from the bite wasn't too much to cause, they probably don't have any problem. If they have, you know, a lot of stuff going on with their body, then they might get sick. And then we see them. I mean, there's a worldwide Lyme is an epidemic, infectious disease cycle. Like, when I was growing up, we all got strep, right. Okay, 50s. We all got strep. Everybody got their tonsils out now.

That's so true. Everybody when I was growing up got their tonsils out. Everybody. It was like a rite of passage when you were 12, 13.

That's right. And then. Yeah, then you got a chocolate milkshake in the hospital.

That was the only cool thing about it. People like my friends look forward to it. They're like, all the ice cream I get, I'm like, you're gonna lose a body part and gain two days of ice cream.

It's kind of a. Exactly. You know, so anyway, so lime is in a heyday right now.

The only cool thing about it. Yeah, people like my friends look forward to it. They're like, all the ice cream I get, I'm like, you're gonna lose a body part and gain two days of ice cream.

It's kind of a. Exactly. You know, so anyway, so lime is in a heyday right now. I mean, lime goes back. They found lyme Bacteria in Egyptian mummies.

Wow.

Like 3,000 years ago. Is an old organism. It's a very sophisticated organism. I used to be a virologist, bacteriologist by training.

I knew you had your fellowship in virology.

Yeah, Right.

So bacteria carry this thing called a plasmid. It's an. It's an extra bit of information, and that's how bacteria become resistant. They might have the information that says, if you give me penicillin, I can denature the penicillin so it won't work and kill me. And your average bacteria has two or three of these things that it can share with other bacteria if it's in a colony.

Okay.

The Lyme bacteria, borrelia has, like, 23 of these things. Like, I think it's the most in any.

So, antivirals, you're saying?

Very sophisticated.

Yeah.

It's got decoys. It can change its surface structure. Part of the problem with it is that the traditional infectious disease diagnostics with antibodies, a lot of times it turns up negative because the surface structure changed, and it doesn't have what they're looking for.

So it's not reacting to a traditional Lyme response. So you don't see a Lyme antibody. IG or IgM tighter.

That's right.

So what else do you look for to try?

Well, you can see it on a microscope. A lot of times, you can see the Lyme bacteria in a blood spot on a microscope.

Okay.

You can. You can do PCR testing. Now, like, what was done for Covid, Right. Is PCR testing. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a protein change, a preliminary chain reaction. It's parts of the DNA that identify the organism. And so there's labs that are doing PCR testing on Lyme and the co. Infections that go with it.

And do you think it's enough to do a cheek swab or something to actually. And send it into a lab to actually diagnose. Diagnose a Lyme infection.

Do you think?

Are they that accurate, these pieces?

Well, they're pretty accurate.

Okay.

We usually. We usually use urine.

Okay.

So you got to give somebody. You got to rough them up a little bit. We put them on a. On a power plate.

Okay.

Okay.

For 15 minutes, you know, like old school.

And with the. When the studies were done by the laboratory, they would do a rolfing massage on them. Okay. A lot of water, do a rolfing massage on them, and then release all these things that are stuck in the tissue, then have a Urinate, collect their urine.

Okay.

And then you could see the things.

And now once you find yourself with Lyme diagnosis and, And. And the thing about Lyme is we know it has such a diffuse, seemingly unrelated myriad of. Of symptoms that can come out of it, from great hormone imbalance to muscle aches to chronic fatigue to, you know, all kinds of. Of conditions and mood disorders and. And anxieties and all kinds of conditions. So once. Once if someone's listening to this and they. And they have Lyme or I've had Lyme, or know somebody that has Lyme, what are the next steps?

What would.

What. In your.

In your integrated medicine clinic, what would be the next steps for somebody?

So what I see. Because we see the average person that comes to our clinic has been to 13 doctors.

Wow.

And they've had no diagnosis. And I. I mean, all day long.

They haven't even been diagnosed.

Well, they've been diagnosed with Lyme. And then they got antibiotics for three years, five antibiotics for three years, and they weren't stably better. And they come in, and what you got to do is you got to find all the various things like is, do they have root canals? Do they have cavitations?

I knew you were featured on the Root Cause, the documentary, right?

Yeah, actually. Yeah. I'm the reason that movie happened.

Okay. I'm a. By the way, I'm a huge fan. I just had Dr. Jagar Gandhi, one of these. He's a biologic dentist. I actually have. I'm waiting to have a tooth put back in that I just had cleaned and. And ozoned and red. He used red light, ozone and. And also packed it full of my own platelet rich fibrin.

Yeah.

And then put a zirconian mount in there. And I'm waiting for the. The bone to final fuse around it, and then he'll. He'll cap it again. But I don't mean to take you off track, but my experience was so profound because I consider myself to be pretty. I hate this word, but woke to. To. To wellness and biohacking and, you know, and I eat clean. I drink clean water and take good care of myself. And when I cracked this tooth and. And told this biologic dentist, Dr. Gandhi, about it, he described to me it was the 19th tooth meridian. And he asked me if I ever got anterior shoulder pain, left lower lobe pain in my lung, and if my left toe ever went numb, those was his questions. And I was like, you are freaking me out right now because all three of those things happened to me. I was like, you know, I thought I just had a little bit of bicep tendon. I thought I had a little catch from. From, like, doing hits cardio. I thought, I like a little runner's catch. And then, you know, my wife used to tease me because I would take my shoe off once in a while.

And itch my toe.

She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, my toe itches. And 48 hours after he took that out, it was gone.

Yeah.

And I was like, I need to tell the world about this.

Yeah. Listen to this one I was doing. This was really sort of pre my clinic, or just at the beginning of it, I was doing physical exams for a chiropractor who had a device, a decompression.

Things happened to me. I was like, you know, I thought I just had a little bit of bicep tendon. I thought I had a little catch from. From, like, doing hits cardio. I thought, I like a little runner's catch. And then, you know, my wife used to tease me because I would take my shoe off once in a while.

And itch my toe.

She's like, what are you doing?

I'm like, my toe itches device for people with low back pain.

Traction.

And he needed an MD to do exams for him. So once a week, I go in there and I do the physical exams. And then he would put him on the. It was called back C. It was. I remember, Vertebral axial decompression.

Yeah.

It was traction.

Yeah.

Healed my. My severely ruptured disc. Anyway, he. So this guy would come into the clinic.

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And 48 hours after he took that out, it was gone.

Yeah.

And I was like, I need to tell the world about this.

Yeah.

Listen to this one I was doing. This was really sort of pre my clinic, or just at the beginning of it, I was doing physical exams for a chiropractor who had a device, a.

Decompression on the go.

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Device for people with low back pain.

Traction.

And he needed an MD to do exams for him. So once a week I go in there and I do the physical exams. And then he would put him on the. It was called Vaxi. It was.

Oh, you can go to Echo e c h o h2o dot com. That's I remember.

Vertebral axial decompression.

Yeah, it was traction.

Yeah.

Healed my. My severely ruptured disc. But anyway, he. So this guy would come into the clinic.

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We take a taxi to the clinic. And then he wore those. Those. The guys who lay tiles. He wore those things on his knees because he didn't walk.

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He crawled in. So he would crawl into the clinic and he bought 20 of these treatments and he had a herniated disc on his mri and I approved him for the therapy.

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He did 20 treatments. He wasn't even ever better. The chiropractor felt kind of sorry for this guy, so he gave him 20 more just to. Gave it to him. He did 20 more. Pretty soon we're up to 80 and he's not really any better.

Wow.

Okay. So I had just learned this thing called prolotherapy, or prolozone, where you inject irritative substances or. Or ozone in on the go.

You essentially take the top off of this bottle. You pour bottled water in this and.

To a joint space. It produces a reaction to get the healing cycle started again. So he finished his treatment and he's like this isn't working for me.

Repeatedly it will make high part per million hydrogen water. You press this little button, you'll see these bubbles going up in the water. That's hydrogen being created in the water. There are all kinds of peer reviewed published clinical studies on the benefits of hydrogen water, including reduced inflammation, better absorption.

And every day he's, he's crawling, I mean he's on all fours crawling in. He couldn't stand up and he couldn't work and he'd been out of work for like seven years. He was doing this. So I said why don't you come over to my clinic, let me try some prolonged on you. So he comes over to the clinic, I put him on the table, I, I did an exam on him. And part of it is an is.

It'S an energetic of your supplements, better absorption of your foods.

Better balance of exam is called autonomic response testing. And what came out, the autonomic response testing was that he had gangrenous pulp.

Tissue stomach acid and it feeds an entire class of bacteria in your gut.

Shoe in his body. That was the item that was discovered.

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So I said, did the dentist ever tell you you had either a dead tooth or a tooth that got infected and died? Or did you ever have a root canal done because root canal teeth have gangrenous pulp inside them even after the procedure is done? And he thinks a minute and he said, oh yeah, he said I had a root canal.

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We take a taxi to the clinic. And then he wore those though done about seven years ago. So I said, well, give me the story of your back. What happened? And he said, well, I was a HUD carrier. He said I was in the best shape of my life. I was taking cement on a slate and I was crawling up and down ladders all day long and I would hand off the, the plaster to the guy who was doing the stucco. So all day long and I felt like amazing. And he said one day I just bent over to tie my shoe and I got this horrendous pain in my back. And since then I haven't been able to walk.

Wow.

So I said, well, think back. Did the tooth come after the Guys who lay tile. He wore those things on his knees because he didn't walk. He crawled in. So he would crawl into the clinic and he bought 20 of these treatments. And he had a herniated disc on his MRI and I approved him for the therapy. He did 20 treatments. He wasn't even ever better. The back or before the back when you had this tooth? He said, yeah, I had a bad toothache and I went to the dentist and the dentist did a root canal on it. And when I was sitting in his office while he was doing it, I had this just bad feeling about it. So he said, I went back in there the next day and said, you know, is everything okay? Like, did you do it right? Do you need to modify it? Chiropractor felt kind of sorry for this guy. So he gave him 20 more just to gave it to him. He did 20 more. Pretty soon we're up to 80 and he's not really like. And he said the dentist blew up at him and threw him out of his office. So we had a half done root canal. Really? Any better?

Wow.

Okay. So I had just learned this thing called prolotherapy, or pro. He had a temporary cap on it. Six weeks later, the Babylon, where you inject irritative substances or, or ozone in hack occurs. He has no idea the tooth is. You know, when you do a root canal, you kill the, you kill the nerve. So there's no, there's no pain.

Right.

So you don't feel the infection, you don't feel pressure or anything.

Yeah.

So I said. And so now he's seven years later and he's crawling. Okay. And he can't work. So I sent him to the biological dentist and they do a cone beam CT scan. They do a CT scan on the teeth and he's got a horrendous abscess on this tooth.

Wow.

It go to a joint space. It produces a reaction to get the healing goes up into the sinus. The dentist pulls the tooth. He got like, like tablespoons full of pus draining out of his side. Yeah.

That maxillary sounds so gross.

Michael started again. So he finished his treatment and he's like, this isn't working for me. And every day he's, he's crawling. I mean, he's on all fours crawling in. He couldn't stand up and he couldn't work. And he'd been out of work for like seven years. He was doing this.

Yeah.

So I said what I put. I had to have him on antibiotics for six weeks because he had a bone infection of the whole area. Walks into my office after this whole thing. Walks.

Yeah.

His God. Back pain's gone.

Wow.

Back pain's gone.

I believe that. So there's some people that are going to say that 100% teeth are not connected to.

I got 50 cases like this. 100 cases.

Okay.

So good.

He says to me, they'll unpin me.

You help me. Come over to my clinic. Let me try some prolozone on you. So he comes over to the clinic. I put him on the table. I, I did an exam on him. And part of it is an is, it's an energetic. I need a job now. And at the time, we were moving our office from one place to another. We need guys to move. And so he start, he, he became the mover to move our office exam. It's called autonomic response testing. And what came out, the autonomic response testing, was that he had gangrenous pulp tissue. And yes, he had a herniated disc on his X ray. But no, that was not the cause of his pain, because of pain was the tooth.

Wow.

He worked for us for about a year, and then I got a Christmas card from him like a year later. He and his wife had walked up to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro, and he sent me a Christmas card with him and his wife on the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. His back was fine.

That is so awesome.

So it's, you know, you got to get all the other stuff, because the, the three things that I find take down even Samson. It's not his hair, it's mold. Root canals in Lyme. Nobody can handle that. They live in a moldy house. They got root canals, and they got lime to shoe in his body. That was the item that was discovered.

Ingredient is pulp tissue.

Wow. So I said, did the dentist ever tell you you had either a dead tooth or a tooth that got infected and died? Or did you ever have a root canal done? Because root canal teases, and you got to handle all of them.

Right.

And then they'll get better. If you try to just handle the mold, they won't get better. You sort of have to do the whole thing, because then you just unburden their system, and then they actually get well.

Well, I can tell you, I, I, I didn't have Lyme, but I had, you know, I had the root canal. I had two of them, and now I've had both of them done. My wife said four of them done. And I've had So many clients of mine that have gone and gotten this.

Biologic dentistry done have gangrenous pulp inside them even after the procedure.

And it's not a fun procedure. I mean, nobody likes to go to the dentist. But. But what was also astounding it on my procedure is done.

And he thinks a minute and he said, oh yeah, he said, I had a root canal done about seven years ago. So I said, well, give me the stir.

And right now, if you go to.

My Instagram story of your back, what happened? And he said, well, I was a HUD carrier. He said I was in the.

It is flagged, it says false information because I did a podcast with Dr. Gandhi and he said that specific teeth were related to specific organs in the body and that you could trace infection in certain tooth to organs in the body. And they said that's completely false. And he would probably agree with you, definitely agree with you. But it was such a profound. I've talked about it so much. I mean, it was such a profound thing for me to get rid of all of this. And this like sort of bright light went off. I know so many people are in the same position I was in because when he pulled that tooth, it didn't even bleed. And I was like, wow, I was really stuck in there. He goes, no, that's a terrible sign. He said, you do not want to see that. And then he cleaned it all out. No, zoned it and red lighted it and put my platelet rich fibrin in there and I'm completely pain free.

And.

And all three of those symptoms are gone.

Yeah.

These dental charts have been known in acupuncture. I mean, Chinese medicine is the oldest known medicine. In Chinese medicine, they had acupuncture meridian lines showing that each of the 12 major meridians go through the teeth. And then in order for meridian to work, you have to have this flow in the body between the yin organs and the yang organs. You know, like the heart is the sun organ, it's the yang, it's the male. And, and the small intestine is the yin moon female. And those, those are their best shape of my life. I was taking cement on a slate and I was crawling up and down ladders all day long. And I would hand off the, the plaster to the guy who was doing the stucco. So all day long and I felt like, amazing. And he said, one day I just bent over to tie my shoe and I got this horrendous pain in my back. And since then I haven't been able to walk.

Wow.

So I said, well, think back. Did the tooth come after the back or before the back when you had this tooth? He said, yeah, I had a bad. They're organs that. The flow goes from one to the other. But on that meridian, like the heart is on the wisdom tooth. The wisdom tooth is on the heart meridian.

Right.

If you have problems there, like chronic infection or toxin buildup, it can affect the toothache. And I went to the dentist and the dentist did a root canal on it and energy flow in the meridian.

Well, not only that, the same bacteria that is found there is found in, in cardiovascular disease.

That's right.

Right.

I mean, so it's. It's the identical bacteria. And if it's only in two places. Well, probably didn't originate from the heart and move to the tooth.

Right.

You know, it went from the.

And when I was sitting in his office while he was doing it, I had this just bad. Right. And every, every dentist and every cardiologist knows that if you have gum disease, you know, you have defoxes in your gum disease. It's a bad feeling about it. So he said, I went back in there the next day and said, you know, is every big risk for heart disease? Well, root canals and cavitations are just as bad. It's deep. It's deep bacteria, deep in the system, which can have access to other places. And, and so it can cause infection, anything. Okay. Like, did you do it? Right. Do you need to modify it?

Yeah.

So psych. Circling back to the. The Lyme disease, because these are big categories.

Like. And he said the dentist blew up at him and threw him out of his office.

Shimoto's Lyme, even gastroesophageal reflux, which, which I'm, I'm glad we touched on.

So.

So we had a half done root canal.

There are so many chronic Lyme sufferers out there, and I bet there are people listening to this that actually are suffering from Lyme and don't know it.

Yeah.

Where did they begin with their journey? To walk their way.

He had a temporary cap on it. Six weeks later, the B out of Lyme.

How does that.

Well, I think they have to find a. First of all, they have to get their lifestyle in order. They have to eat organic food. We usually start people on hacker curs. He has no idea the tooth is. You know, when you do a root canal, you kill the. You some version of a, like a paleo diet. Meat, fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds kill the nerve. So there's no, there's no Pain.

Right.

So you don't feel the infection. You don't feel pressure or anything.

Yeah.

So whole cleans, whole foods, no processed foods, no packaged foods. Okay. They have to work it out. Usually when people go on that diet, they will. Their. Their intestine will. I said, and so now he's seven years later and he's crawling. Okay. And he can't work. So I said, we'll get better. They have to have a bowel movement every day. You know, they have to get some sunshine and fresh air and some movement. And what I'd say now is, you know, they have to do some breath work and they have to ground, you.

Know.

Not pay him to say that.

But I'm to the biological dentist, and they do a cone beam CT scan. They do a CT scan on the teeth? No, but I mean, I do all this.

I'm throwing it all over the Internet.

For sure. For sure. And it's all good.

Yeah.

Okay. Like, that's the basic.

Yeah.

And he's got a horrendous abscess on this tooth.

Wow.

It goes. Because if I got something in my clinic and they come into my clinic, the first thing I say to him is, here's the booklet on the paleo diet. Goes up into the sinus. The dentist pulls the tooth, and you may do better with a little bit more or less fruit or more or less starchy vegetables, you know, heavier protein, heavier fat. We will work that out. If you have insulin problems and diabetic problems, we push you toward. He got like. Like tablespoons for the high protein, low carb. But somewhere in there is the right thing. And you can't eat any processed food. And so. And you have to have clean water and you have to have a bath.

Filter your water.

Yeah. And so. So that would be the most basic thing. And then when they come in, we measure all this stuff. So they're all deficient in lots of stuff. Well, the pus draining out of his side.

Yeah, that Max. They're saying it's so gross.

So they need, you know, vitamins and minerals, and almost all of them are low in vitamin D, and they're low in selenium and zinc and these basic minerals. And a whole bunch of them have methylation problems and a whole bunch of. So it is quite a wide look to find these two basic things that I sort of mentioned earlier, which is they got stuff in their body that shouldn't be there. Lyme mold, toxins, heavy metals. I had to have him on antibiotics for six weeks because he Had a bone infection of the whole area. Walks into my office after this whole thing. Walks.

Yeah.

His walks gone. Back pain's gone.

Wow.

Back pain's gone. I believe that sibo. These are all things that shouldn't be in their body.

Right.

And so we do sort of an explore of what are those things for that person. And then do levels of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, essential fats to find what are they missing. And then when we put those two things together, they start.

There's some people that are going to say that 100 teeth are not connected to.

I got 50 cases. Like to heal. Because basically the body's built to work.

And is one part of the protocol to kill the virus and the other part to strengthen the immune system to come in and assist in the fight.

Yeah. So things like ozone and hyperbaric oxygen and.

Okay, so good. He says to me, they'll unpin me.

You help me. I need a job now. And at the time, we were moving our office from one place to another. We need guys to move and saunas and, you know, vitamin and mineral infusions and, you know. And so he start. He. He became the mover to move our office. Just depending on the person, then send them to the biological dentist and make sure their teeth are fixed. Like, these things go a long way. And then we have, you know, we have therapies like peptides and, you know, where we can. We can coax the immune system one way or the other.

Let's go down the peptide road for a second. Because peptides were under a little bit of a war by the fda, most.

Of us have a very difficult time meeting our protein needs.

And yes, he had a herniated disc on his X ray. But no, that was not the cause of his pain. Cause the pain was the tooth.

Wow.

He worked for us for about a year. And then I got a Christmas card from him. Like, a year later. He and his wife had walked up to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro, and he sent me a Christmas card with him and his wife on the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. His back was fine.

That is so awesome.

And certain protein sources, like whey protein and others, can be as little as 20% absorbable. This is 99 absorbable. And it has all of the essential amino acids that the body needs to build lean muscle, to recover, to improve our exercise performance, and most importantly, to repair after we have intense exercise. So this is called perfect amino by body health.

So it's, you know, you gotta get all the Other stuff because it's like.

I said, 99 absorbable. It only has two calories. Eventually the caloric intake is the the.

Three things that I find take down even Samson. It's not his hair.

It has virtually no caloric intake. It will not break a fast. It tastes amazing. You mix it in water. I take this literally every single morning. If you're working out in a fasted state, you have to take a full spectrum amino acid prior to your workout to preserve your lean muscle and make sure that you're recovering properly.

Mold, root canals and Lyme, nobody can handle that. They live in a mold.

And again, it will not break your fast. So the caloric impact is virtually zero. You get all of the full spectrum amino acids. It tastes wonderful. I use it every single day. You can go to body health.com moldy.

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They actually get well.

Well I can tell you I I didn't have lime but I had, you know, I had the root canal.

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And some and some of my favorites were were pulled BPC1. I had two of them and now I've had both of them done. My wife said four of them done. And I've had so many clients of mine that have gone and gotten this biologic dentistry done and it's not a fun procedure. I mean nobody likes to go to the dentist. But. But what was also astounding it on my proceed 5, 7 some of these other peptides that my clinical team had used in. In practice with great success. But what are some of the peptides that you would bring into a battle with Lyme disease, like immune strengthening peptides?

Well, we always. I always go to Thymus and Alpha 1.

Sure. And right now, if you go to my Instagram.

Okay. I always go to bpc. If they have gut problems, I do it both injectable and oral.

Wow.

If they've got any kind of neurological problems, there's. There's the cerebral lysin. There's also a couple other ones. One's called Sea lank and C Max. These are active on the nervous system to help rebuild.

It is flagged. It says false information because I did a podcast with Dr. Gandhi, and he said that specific teeth were related to specific organs in the body and that you could trace infection in certain tooth. Anxiolytic.

Right.

Is that the anti anxiolytic?

It can be. It can be.

Okay.

It can be. And then LL37 is. Is almost like an antimicrobial. It doesn't really kill it itself, but it stimulates the immune system to kill bacteria. So on the Lyme patients, that's a really good one.

Two organs in the body, they said that's completely false. And he would add in there ll 37 in Crohn's.

Well, Crohn's gut stuff. So KPV and BPC orally, and then with Crohn's. I mean, I was talking with your patient. We had dinner the other night. I mean, in the 30s, doctors treatment for crone probably agree with you.

Definitely agree with you. But it was such a profound. I've talked about it so much. I mean, it was such a profound thing for me to get rid of all of this and this like, sort of bright light.

And for ulcerative colitis was a carnivore diet. Just eat meat.

Right.

Because the plant lectins are irritated to a lot of people, and that may flare them. And I don't know how he's doing, but I said.

I was actually gonna say. Because I'm glad you didn't say his name, but he's very, very well known, very famous client of mine. And light went off. I know so many people are in the same position I was in, but you came in and helped him with his Crohn's. And I actually had a zoom call with him week before last, because this is going back several months.

Yeah.

And he said, I don't know if I'm disease free, but I'm symptom free.

Yeah.

So that was pretty, pretty incredible. Yeah, pretty incredible. We're gonna tell his story and I'm gonna make sure that you get credit here very soon. I'm gonna have him on the podcast. When he pulled that tooth, it didn't even bleed. And I was like, wow, I was really stuck in there. He goes, no, that's a terrible sign. He said, you do not want to see that. And then he cleaned the cast. Everybody knows who he is, but I'm gonna have him on the podcast and.

He'S gonna wonderful back. So I'm glad.

Yeah, he's doing good.

Do you see? Well, I told him too, you can't. You got to stop drinking. Yeah, he was, you know, he was pretty heavy on bad habits. So you, you can't do that.

Yeah, yeah.

He put those habits, you know, because it got so bad, you know, when he landed in the emergency all out and ozoned it and red lighted it and put my platelet rich fibrin in there and I'm completely pain free and, and, and all three of those symptoms are gone.

Yeah.

Did you see room 4:30 in the morning? He was like, okay, I'm committed to changing this now and I'm really excited to, for everybody to hear a story because again, I think there are a lot of people out there that just believe that they've got Crohn's disease and they're on chronic anti inflammatories.

And these dental charts have been known in acupuncture. I mean, Chinese medicine is the oldest known medicine.

Yeah.

In Chinese medicine they had acupuncture meridian lines showing that each of the 12.

Major meridians go, maybe immunosuppressants for the rest of their life. And, and they're going to avoid the obvious, you know, triggers in their diet, but never really put the condition into remission.

Right.

You know, and you see these conditions going into remission.

We do. We absolutely do.

Yeah.

And some of the most fun ones. I am thinking of a woman now. So she has very bad rheumatoid arthritis through the teeth. And then in order from reading to work, you have to have this flow in the body between the yin organs and the yang organs. You know, the, like the heart is the sun organ. It's the yang. She was on steroids and methotrexate, which are, which are medications that are used.

They give you, they mimic the gene mutation mthfr, by the way, they, they stop folate metabolism.

Exactly, exactly. So she had been treated by the Rheumatologist. But her. And her. Her. It's the male and the small intestine is the yin moon female. And those. Those are. Their position was worsening. And he had tried some of the bio. They're. They're organs that the. The flow goes from one to the other. Logicals on her. And she didn't tolerate them. And when she came into me, her sedimentation rate, which is a measure of inflammation in the body, was 60. And the diagnostic test, it should be under 15. And the diagnostic test for. She had a positive rheumatoid factor at high dilution. And she had a positive. But on that meridian, like the heart is on the wisdom tooth. The wisdom tooth is on the heart meridian.

Right.

If you have problems there, like chronic infection of ana, so antinuclear antibodies. So she's got a real autoimmune disease. And so she came into me and we did. Or toxin buildup. It can affect the energy flow in the meridian.

Well, not only that, the same bacteria that is found there is found in. In cardiovascular disease.

That's right.

Right.

I mean, so it's. It's the identical bacteria.

And if it's only the basic thing which is handled her teeth, handled, her gut handled deficiency in two places.

Well, probably didn't originate from the heart and move to the tooth.

Right.

You know, it went from the T's, air, water, diet, all this stuff.

Okay. And she spent about, probably three months in the clinic. She was able to wean off her prednisone. She was able to wean off her methotrexate.

Wow.

We continue with her for five more months. So these. Right. And every, every dentist and every cardiologist knows that if you have gum disease, you know, you have deep oxygen or gum disease, it's a very big risk for heart disease. Well, root canals and cavit antibodies, this rheumatoid factor and the ana, These are antibodies that the body manufactures and they manufacture them because the body's trying to solve a problem. It's not making these things for nothing. It is trying to handle something. And she also had Lyme disease. We had. Her lime tations are just as bad. It's bacteria deep in the system which can have access to other places and. And so it can cause infection.

Yeah.

So psychic circling back to the Lyme disease, because these are big categories. Hashimoto's, Lyme, even gastroesophageal reflux or disease.

And then these antibodies probably have a half life of probably three to four months. And half of Them are gone. And if the body's not making them again, their levels will start to go down.

Right.

And she's now off the medication. So it's not like they're being suppressed by a drug. They're going away. And at eight months, I redid her sedimentation rate, her rheumatoid factor and her ANA. Her sedimentation rate was 7. Her rheumatoid factor was negative and her ANA was negative.

And she had had old deformity no longer, which I'm. I'm glad we touched on. So her has rheumatoid arthritis.

That's right. Wow. And she doesn't have rheumatoid arthritis.

There are so many chronic Lyme sufferers out there. And I bet there are people listening to this that actually are suffering from Lyme and don't know it.

Yeah.

Where did they begin with their journey to walk their way out of Lyme?

How does that.

That's so fancy because her body was doing that to try to fix something. It's not a disease condition in itself.

Right.

It's a body reaction. You know, do you have this very highly intelligent system trying to solve a problem?

Right.

And if you're treating people just symptomatically, which could be fine for a while, but if you're not looking behind, what is the root. Well, I think they have to find a. First of all, they have to get pause of what's going on with them. You are not doing really very good medicine because your lifestyle in order. They have to eat organic food. We usually start people on. In many, many cases, these things are really there. You could find it.

Yeah.

And then people get better.

Yes.

So some version of a, like a paleo diet. Meat, fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds.

Whole foods.

Whole foods. No processed foods, no packaged foods. Okay. He said to me at that visit, I showed her the labs and she said, I'm feeling great. I said, well, probably you just keep doing what you're doing. I'll see you in six months. She said, you think I have to go back to your rheumatologist? To my rheumatologist. And I said, well, I'd like you to go back one more time and show him your labs.

Yeah.

And then say to him from me if he has any patients that he. They have to work it out. Usually when people go on that diet, they will. Their. Their intestine will need some help with. Just give me a call that's will get better. They have to have a bowel movement every day. You know, they have to get some sunshine.

You're not the favorite in town. Well, I, you know, there's, there's one more topic that I want to delve into because I know that it's near.

And dear to everybody and fresh air and some movement and what I'd say now is, you know, they have to do some breath work and they have to ground.

You know, I did not pay them to say that. But listening to this podcast because you know, everybody listening either has been or knows someone who has been affected by, by cancer. And I know that's a large part of what you're treating in your, in your clinics. And we can't put all the cancer into one big, big catch all. But before the podcast started, you were telling me that there are a lot of common.

No, but I mean I do all.

This throwing it all over the Internet for sure.

For sure. And it's all good. Yeah, okay. Like that's the basic. Yeah.

Origins for cancer, a lot of common causes for cancer. And we talk about anti aging and longevity and biohacking and every time I'm trying to sneak tips out of, out of podcast guests for.

Because if I got something in my clinic and they come into my clinic, the first thing I say to them is here's the booklet on the Paleo diet and you may do better with a little bit more or less fruit or more or less starchy vegetables.

People that are listening to say, I certainly want to do whatever I can to avoid that. So what are some of these common causes or environmental factors? What are simple things that people can do to reduce their risk? That's not fear mongering that they could put to practice in there.

You know, heavier protein, heavier fat. We will work that out. If you have insulin problems and diabetic problems, we push you toward life every day.

And God forbid they have it. What are some of the stuff, the.

High protein, low carb, but somewhere in there is the right thing. And you can't eat any processed foods.

That they could take.

So I think here's what I tell Buddha and so. And you have to have clean water and you have to have a bath filter your water. Yeah. And so, so that would be the most basic thing. And patients as a, so they come in with cancer and why did I get it? Like why did I get cancer? I haven't lived that badly or I've tried to be careful or I've done all this.

I don't smoke, I don't drink. Like then that's the usual thing they think Because I don't smoke cigarettes or drink a lot of alcohol or live this.

Exactly. So I've heard you say many times, aging is a mitochondrial disease. Cancer is a mitochondrial disease. Then when they come in, we measure all this stuff. So they're all deficient in lots of stuff. And so what happens? So in our cells, there is a system. So they need, you know, vitamins and minerals, and almost all of them are low in vitamin D, and they're low in selenium, whereby the cell takes in oxygen. So that's when we zinc in these basic minerals, and a whole bunch of them have methylation problems and a whole bunch of them. So it is quite a wide look to find these two basic things that I sort of mentioned. Breathe. And it takes in fuel. So we eat and we have carbohydrates and fats and proteins, and those things go into the cell. And in every cell, there's between 1,000 and 2,000 of these little factories, these mitochondria. Okay. In the heart, there's more. In the ovary, there's men early, which is. They got stuff in their body that shouldn't be there. Lyme, mold toxins, heavy metals, Sibo. These are all things that shouldn't be in their body.

Right.

And so we're in the eye, there's more. But an average cell has between a thousand and two thousand of these.

Think of 10% of body weight.

10% of the body weight. Yeah, that's right. So these things are the.

Are.

Are where the oxygen and the fuel goes. And they're do sort of an explore of what are those things for that person. And then do levels of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, essential fats to find our enzyme systems in there so that you can take apart glucose molecules or fatty acids and you can extract the energy that's bound in those things. And then the cell can make ATP. What are they missing? And then when we put those two things together, they start. ATP is the energy particle. And when this system is working, right, you get 38 ATP for every go around.

Right.

Okay, now with oxygen. With oxygen. Now. So that's aerobic metabolism, using oxygen now in our body to heal, because basically the body's built to work. So every day there's hundreds of thousands of biotoxins that are in the environment that we put on our skin. We eat, we drink, we smell.

And is one part of the protocol to kill the virus and the other part to strengthen the immune system to come in and assist in the fight?

Yeah. So things like ozone and Hyperbaric oxygen and they come into our body. If our body's unable to handle those things, we have these things and saunas and, you know, vitamin and mineral infusions and, you know, just depending on the person. Then send them to the biological dentist and make sure their teeth are fixed. Like these things build up in certain areas in certain tissues. And they're unique to each person. But when the biotoxin level in the cell so you have the toxin is coming into the cell, gets enough in the cell to affect enough of the mitochondria so that they become now poisoned. Go a long way. And then we have, you know, we have therapies like peptides and you know, where we can, we can coax the immune system one, they can't use oxygen one way or the other.

Let's go down the peptide road for a second. Because peptides were under a little bit of a war.

But to make energy anymore. Now, this was discovered by Otto warburg, a German, M.D. ph.D. In the 1930s. He got a Nobel Prize.

Right.

Okay.

Was this what he also worked on? Multistep oxygen therapy, I think same same the fda.

Most of us have a very difficult time meeting our protein needs.

And well, his main thing, certain protein.

Sources like whey protein and others can be as little as 20% absorbable.

This is that he. He discovered that this was the key to. To most cancers.

This metabolic shift.

This metabolic shift.

Okay.

Now the cell when this 99 absorbable and it has all of the essential amino acids that the body needs to build lean muscle.

This happens is supposed to kill itself.

To recover, to improve our exercise performance. And most importantly, to repair.

We have a gene called p53. The gene is supposed to turn on. It sends a message to the cell that autophagy. Now you're supposed to die and the cell dies. Sometimes the switch that the P53 gets.

Turned on after we have intense exercise. So this is called perfect amino by body health. It's like I said, 99 absorbable. It only has two calories. Eventually the caloric intake and by is also poisoned.

Now the cell can't kill itself. Now if that abnormal cell is noticed by an immune cell, it might take it out.

Okay.

But if it's not noticed now that cell has to transform its way to make.

It has virtually no caloric intake. It will not break a fast. It tastes amazing. You mix it in water. I take this literally every single morning. If you're working out in a free.

Fasted state, you have energy without oxygen. So this is anaerobic metabolism. Right now, anaerobic metabolism is very inefficient.

Right.

If you take in no oxygen, you take in and the preferred fuel is, is either glucose or, or, or, or some amino acids, single amino acids.

Have to take a full spectrum amino acid prior to your workout to preserve your lean muscle and make sure that you're recovering properly. And again, it will not break your fast. So the caloric impact is virtually zero.

You get all of the glutamine is the main one. It can make ATP, but it can.

Only make two full spectrum amino acids. It tastes wonderful. I use it every single day. You can go to body health.com it's very inefficient.

Is that 38 barely limping along.

Right.

Okay.

And so now what this cell does is it turns on genes, so called cancer genes. They're not cancer genes at all. These are the genes that took an.

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And turned it into a body. Now cancer has two characteristics. It grows out of control. So it grows very fast, which is what happens in an embryo. If cells growing very fast and you know, basically one union of a sperm and an egg and in nine months you got a whole, whole developed body.

Right.

Okay, that's incredible.

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About cancer is that these cells don't stay where they're supposed to. Like you never see a breast cell in bone and in a healthy person they stay there. There's adhesion factors and they stay there.

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But in cancer the adhesion factors are lost, which is what happens in an embryo. These cells have to move. You know, the testicles started in the kidney, right. Okay.

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So a PET scan is a testament that if you have a normal cell that takes in one unit of glucose. I saw someone last week on the PET scan. That cell was taking in 68 units of glucose compared to the one in the healthy cell. Wow. This is a rabid tumor that.

And some. And some of my favorites were, were pulled BPC157. Some of these other peptides that my.

Clinical team was just growing crazy in the guy's liver. Okay. So the cell now is using glucose and if it's got 68 times the metabolism, even though it's only 2, it can make a whole lot of ATP and it can grow.

Right.

And so what we got to do.

And used in practice with great success. But what are some of the peptides that you would bring in is we.

Got to be able to get people on the first part of this thing. It just goes back to basic lifestyle.

Like toxins do matter into a battle with Lyme disease. Like immune strengthening peptides.

Well, we. And the number of them that you're exposed to do does matter.

Right.

And being able to keep your liver detox systems up and you're, you know, going to the bathroom and get ring stuff and sweating and always. I always go to Thymosin Alpha 1.

Thymus and Alpha 1.

Okay. I always go to BPC if they have gut problems. I do. These sorts of things really matter because the origin of this whole thing is that now add to it viruses. There's some viruses that, that are associated with cancer and there's some fungal funguses and fungal toxins, also poison mitochondria.

So some of these mycotoxins, these microtoxins.

Yeah. And parasites produce toxins with both injectable and oral.

Wow.

If they've got any kind of neurological problems. There's. There's the. So in many cancer patients we find mycotoxins, we find parasites. The cerebral lysin. There's also a couple of other ones. One's called sea lank and C. And we find viruses, you know, HPV and retroviruses present in herpes.

Enormous number of colon cancers. You were telling me 92, 93 max.

These are active on the nervous system to help rebuild, you know, brain Derived anxiolytic. Right.

Is that the anti anxiolytic by. But present.

It's there, yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the throat cancers too. They have HPV there. So these are, these are factors which, you know, you can't always control what you get, but if you. It can be. It can be okay. It can be. Keep your basic health on a higher level. You can, you can do better. And then LL37 is. Is almost like an antimicrobial.

Should the average person who has history of cancer in their family that's not genetic, not broccol related, or what testing should they get done if they want to Just be sure. What, what action could they take? Obviously clean diet, filter your water, sunl, grounding breath work these kinds of things. Stressors, cold, you know, cold showers or.

Or cold doesn't really kill it itself, but it stimulates the immune system to kill bacteria. So on the Lyme patients, that's a really good one to add in there.

LL37. What about in. In Crohn's?

Well, Crohn's gut stuff.

So plunging, you know, heat, saunas. You know, my audience especially is APV and BPC orally.

And then with Crohn's. I mean, I was talking with your patient the other. We had dinner the other night. I mean, in the 30s, doctors treatment.

For Crohn's really, you know, on board and woke to those kinds of things. But what kind of, what kind of assurance testing or other measures could they do to say, man, is there just a standard viral panel that I could pull or mycotoxin panel? You know, I felt kind of off lately. Where do I start with testing?

I think you start with a, with a, with a functional medicine doctor.

Okay.

You know, and for ulcerative colitis was a carnivore diet. Yeah. Just eat meat.

Right.

Because the plant lectins are irritated to a lot of people and that may flare them. And I don't know how he's doing, but I said.

I was actually going to say because.

I think you need a real doctor. A real doctor. Well, you're an M.D.

You'Re a real doctor.

I know. I mean real medicine, you break your leg.

People call me one, but I am not a doctor.

Right, right. You break your leg, you need a C section, you got a head injury, you know, you're having a heart attack. Well, real medicine is really good for that.

I'm glad you didn't say his name, but he's very, very well known, very famous client of mine and stuff.

Excellent.

But if you have chronic symptoms, you know, you got headaches or high blood pressure or high cholesterol or any.

You came in and helped him with his Crohn's. And I actually had a zoom call.

With him week before, you know, any of the diabetes. You know, you need to see a practitioner who's doing functional medicine will pay attention to these other things.

Right.

And then, and, and they come in all forms, chiropractors and nature pass and osteopaths and, and MDs, where they're actually.

Last because this is going back several months.

Yeah.

And he said, I don't know if I'm disease free, but I'm symptom free.

Yeah.

So that was pretty, Pretty incredible. Yeah, pretty incredible.

We're looking at you very carefully with a much broader scope than the other than the, than the sort of standard MD look. And, and we'll test you more widely.

Okay.

And then I think just very prudent things like if you're a female, get a breast exam every year. Get a thermogram every year. Okay. Get a pap smear.

Not, not a mammogram, a thermogram and a breast exam.

That's the difference.

Okay.

That's right. And do self checks. I mean, all these sort of basic things.

Right.

And if you have something going on in your body that's not normal, don't ignore it. Find somebody who can actually check you out and find it, because we're going.

To tell his story and I'm going to make sure that you get credit here very soon. I'm going to have him on the podcast. Everybody knows who he is, but I'm having on the podcast and he's gonna.

Wonderful. I'm back. So I'm glad.

Yeah, yeah. He's doing. Do you see?

Well, I told him too, you can't. You got to stop drinking. Yeah, he was, you know, he pretty heavy on bad habits. So you, you can't do that earlier. It's found the better off you're going to be. Of course, you know, if you have a brewing something, it's better to get it earlier. Now nowadays there's all these, these fancy tests that are, you know, you could get whole body MRIs, you know, looking for stuff, Right. And there's good and bad to that, but sometimes you find stuff that you're glad you found it.

Right.

There's, there's, there's cologuard, which is like if you're over 30 years.

Yeah, yeah.

He put those habits, you know, because it got so bad you know when he landed in the emergency result, you.

Know and it's actually even insurance covered is you submit a poop specialty room.

At 4:30 in the morning. He was like okay, I'm coming.

And you see, you know, do you have brewing colon cancer?

Right.

Okay. And most doctors on a. On a full physical exam will do a rectal exam and they'll check the stool to see if there's blood in it.

Right.

Like these are big diseases which are. You know, cancer is on a meteoric rise.

No admitted to changing this now. And I'm really excited to. For everybody to hear a story because again I think there are a lot of people out there that just believe that they've got Crohn's disease and they're on chronic anti inflammatories. And I've seen that.

And so I think does it is worthwhile to. To be prudent about looking after this stuff?

Yeah.

And then if you've got parasites, if you've got fungal toxins is work with a practitioner who can help you get that stuff and you'll find that your level of health will go up.

Yeah. And you'll feel better maybe immunosuppressants for the rest of their life.

And.

And they're going to avoid the obvious, you know, triggers in their diet but never really put the condition into remission.

Right. You know, and your chances of getting some chronic problem or is way better.

Yeah. Just.

It is astounding to me like you know, prevention is the new cure. I mean clearly. And, and the functional. You see these conditions going into remission.

We do, we absolutely do.

Yeah.

And some of the most fun ones like I'm thinking of a woman now. So she has very bad rheumatoid arthritis.

Medicine, you know, the growth of functional medicine and integrative medicine I think on the backs of COVID is. I mean is serving humanity. Well people are awakening to the fact that they can take health.

She was on steroids and methyltrexate which are. Which are medications that are used.

They care back into their own hands. And so in your, in your clinic you. They mimic the gene mutation mthfr by the way they. They stop practice when these, when these patients have cancer. You have a very unique approach in. In my opinion too how you're. You're treating them, testing the blood and testing the cancer for the type of chemotherapeutic agent that has the highest, you know, efficiency.

Right.

Using smaller amounts of chemo targeted by putting patients into a state of ketosis and folate metabolism.

Exactly. Exactly. So she had been treated by the rheumatologist. But her. And her. Her condition was worsening and he had tried some of the bio.

And actually using that. That seething demand that the cancer cell has for glucose for energy as a.

Way to sort of logicals on her and she didn't tolerate them.

And when she came in Trojan horse the. The chemotherapy into. Into the patient. Even using. Even using insulin.

Right. And.

And glucose as you know, as a delivery pathway.

Exactly.

Can we. Because this is part of.

To me her sedimentation rate which is a measure of inflammation in the body was 60. And the diagnostic test, it should be under 15. And the diagnostic test for.

For a clinical trial. Can we touch on that for. For a second? Are you comfortable talking about that?

Yeah. I mean I think see the only thing that matters or for she had a positive rheumatoid factor at high dilution and she had a positive. Is. Is what you're doing making the patient better.

That seems so like ana.

So antinuclear antibodies. So she's got a real autoimmune disease. Like duh.

Modern medic should know that. But sometimes we're like we don't even take that.

And and. And so she came into me and we did approach. You know, we're like. I'm agnostic on it. You know, like they killed Mozart with. With mercury. Okay. Not a good outcome. They killed George Washington by bleeding him out. The basic thing which is handled her teeth handler, gut handler deficiencies, air, water.

Diet, all this stuff.

Okay. And she spent about probably three. Okay. So I think you just have to look it's outcome based medicine. It's outcome. So I had a. So one of the very effective treatments in cancer that's done by mainline cancer is like testicular cancer. The curate is. Is really high, like above 90%. So if someone comes to me with months in the clinic, she was able to wean off her prednisone. She was able to wean off her methotrex. If a young man. It's usually young men come to me with prostate cancer, I will say, you know, there's a 90% cure. If you just go to the oncologist, I will help you with nutrition.

Wow.

We continue with her for five more months. So these an immune boosting and these other things. The therapy that he's going to do with you While harsh within six months has a 90% chance of actually curing you antibodies. This rheumatoid factor and the ana These are antibodies that the body manufactures and they manufacture him and the residuals of the therapy that he uses because the body's trying to solve a problem. It is, it's not making these things for nothing. It is trying to handle something. And she also had Lyme disease. We handle her Lyme disease. And then these antibodies probably have a half life of probably we can usually deal with. So that we can clean you out afterwards. Go there, do that. Okay. Another one's like Hodgkin's lymphoma. The cure rate is, is pretty darn good. Now, a lot of the other cancers, especially if they're, you know, stage two, three, four, like it's out of the area three to four months and half of them are gone. And if the body's not make. I think what I tell people is, you know, when you see the oncologist is show me what the 5 year survivals are for what you're gonna do. Because that's an outcome based measurement.

Right.

And then, you know, we have our own outcome based measurements. And I think the, the patient really is then in a position to decide liking them again. Their levels will start to go down.

Right.

And she's now off the medication. Where are my best chances?

Me.

So it's not like they're being suppressed by a drug. They're going away. And so what is the five year.

Survival rate with the plan that you're going to put me on?

Yeah.

I had somebody last week with a. He had a. A stage four cancer of his, of his bile duct. This is like a nasty cancer. And he had seen a couple of oncologists and at eight months, I redid her sedimentation rate, her rheumatoid factor and her ANA. Her sedimentation rate was 7. Her rheumatoid factor was negative. Just. And I said, did you ask him? And he said he really hadn't. And I just took out my phone and I just googled five year survival of stage four biliary duct cancer. And it varied between 13 and 15% as a five year survival.

Wow.

Which is, you know, the guy was actually a little miffed at me that I said that to him. But I. And her A was negative and she had old deformity.

He no longer has rheumatoid arthritis.

That's right.

Wow.

And she doesn't have rheumatoid arthritis. Said, you're trying to make a decision on what should you do because your life is at stake. This is a very serious disease. And I'm not promising him a rose Garden at all.

Right.

Because this is a very serious disease. But here's what we would do versus what they would do because her body was doing that to try to fix something. It's not a disease condition in itself. It's a body reaction. You know, do you. And then you can make an informed choice as to what you think is the best way to go. And we are trying to do it such that we boost immunity. We attack cancer cells. But if we in the process of attacking cancer cells using low dose chemotherapy, but also this very highly intelligent system trying to solve a problem.

Right.

And if you're treating people things like intravenous vitamin C and curcumin, well, just symptomatically, which could be fine for a while, and some other things will kill cancer cells, is do it so that we make sure if our. But if you're not looking behind what is the root cause therapy is injuring the patient too much that we got to think of other things to do. So if you add hyperbaric oxygen and hyperthermia and jaws of what's going on with them, you are not doing really very good medicine. Because ozone and other things at the same time, you can often kind of get away with more.

Right.

And, and improve outcomes. So that's, that's what we're, you know, that's what we're trying to do. And there's no, you know, there's no magic bullet.

Right.

You know, Nixon in 1972, I think, declared a war on cancer where hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars got poured into cancer research. In many, many cases, these things are really there. You could find it.

Yeah.

And then people get better.

Yes.

So she said to me at that visit, I showed her the labs and she said, I'm feeling great. I said, well, and there's a whole lot of smart people that have been trying to figure this thing out and nobody's got it figured out.

Right.

You know, this is 50. Yeah, 50 something years later. So this is very, very complicated.

Yeah.

And we certainly don't have it figured out either.

Right.

But we have an approach that's different. And if someone's uncomfortable with what they're hearing, I just say, just take a look. See what resonates with you.

Right.

You know, because the most important thing is you believe in what you're getting.

Yes.

Oh, and I believe that if you believe more in the outcome, you can influence the outcome. And there's some, some evidence of that too.

Bobby, just keep doing what you're doing. I'll see you in six Months. She said, you think I have to go back to your rheumatologist? To my rheumatologist. And I said, well, I'd like you to go back one more time.

People's, you know, attitude.

And some people are just so stubborn, they won't die.

Yeah.

And show him your labs.

Yeah.

And then say to him from me, if he has any patients that he needs some help with, just give me a call.

That's why you hear that the more stubborn you are, the longer you live.

I don't know if I've seen a.

Study on longevity and being stubborn, but.

And it's very funny, sometimes the stubbornness is, is I'm going to live until my granddaughter gets married. And sometimes the stubborn Mrs. I'm going to live just because if I died, he'd be happy. I love that.

Oh, curmudgeon.

It doesn't actually matter. They just need a reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They just need a reason. Well, this has just been fascinating. I think this is, this is going to go down as one of my greatest podcasts ever. And I, and I hope that in the future you'll come, come back on the podcast. You're not the favorite in town. Well, I, you know, there's, there's one more topic that I want to delve into because I know that it's near and dear to everybody listening to this podcast because, you know, everybody listening either has been or knows someone who has been affected by. By cancerous. I love that we went down the road of Lyme disease and, and amino acids and cancer and Crohn's disease and autoimmune and everything else, because I. These are big, big topics to, to my audience. Where can people find out more about you? Where can they find out more about your clinic, more about your or products? Where can they find out more about.

So Our clinic is LifeWorks Wellness Center. The website is LifeWorksWellnessCenter. All1Word.com. Okay, terrible website name, but that's what it is. Okay.

And I know that's a large part of what you're treating in your, in your clinics, and we can't put all the cancer into one big, big catch all. But before the podcast started, you were telling me that there are a lot of common origins for cancer. A lot of common.

We're in Clearwater, Florida. We're seeing patients. We're seeing new patients, and some of our patients are real elite athletes, because I'm an athlete and they want to come and do, do stuff with this. So we see those patients Right. And a lot of our patients have like serious neurologic disease like causes for.

Cancer and we talk about anti aging and longevity.

We do really well with Ms. And Parkinson's and things like that. And then autoimmune diseases and biohacking and.

And every time I'm trying to sneak tips out of out of podcast guests for people that are listening to say I certainly want to do whatever I can to avoid that. So what are some of these all.

Kinds and Lyme disease and patients with cancer. So we're that, that really is where we specialize. We started a company, my son and I started a company a little about 10, 20 something years ago where we.

Needed common causes or environmental factors. What are simple things that people can do to reduce their risk.

That's not to have products that people needed but weren't existing in the, in the existing space. And so we started a product company, it's called Body Health. So the website is by fear mongering.

That they could put to practice in their life every day and God forbid they have it. What are some of the steps that they could take?

So I think here's what I tell behealth.com and we probably have about 30 or 35 different products. Perfect Amino is one of those products.

I'm a huge fan of that one.

And metal free and chemical detox is another one of those products.

Huge fan of that one too.

And so we all the products that we have have come out of our clinic. Like we need something. The existing stuff just isn't good enough.

Right.

What can we do? Patients as a. So they come in with cancer and why did I get it? Like why did I get cancer? I haven't lived that badly or I've tried to be careful or I've done all this. I don't to sort of put it in that space. So we have 2000 medical. 2000 doctors, nutritionists and car folk.

I don't drink like the usual thing they think because I don't smoke cigarettes or drink a lot of alcohol or live this.

Exactly. So I've heard you say many times chiropractors and osteopaths and medical doctors that use our products in their clinic. Aging is a mitochondrial disease. Cancer is a mitochondrial disease. Because they find the products are just really effective for what they're trying to do. And these are all functional medicine people.

Because it was born from a functional medicine.

That's right.

Yeah.

And so we're working on products all the time to develop new stuff because there's lots of new Technology, there's lots of new science, and the field is just like exploding.

Oh, it's on fire.

I've never been more excited in my life. About. About what? And so what happens? So in our cells, there is a system whereby the cell takes in oxygen. So that's when we breathe and it takes in fuel. So we eat and we have seeing. Like, my favorite thing is seeing a new patient.

Right.

Okay. I love it. And. And then what do we need for these patients that doesn't currently exist that we can develop with our research team to put together unique products that really make a difference for people?

That's so awesome.

Carbohydrates and fats and proteins, and those things go into the cell and in.

I end every podcast by asking every podcast guess the same question. So there's no right or wrong answer to this question. Are you ready for it?

I should remember it. And I can't remember what you were going to ask.

Yeah, you haven't been watching my podcast document.

I can't remember.

Okay.

In every cell, there's between a thousand and two thousand of these little factories, these mitochondria. Okay. In the heart, there's more. In the ovary, there's more. In the eye, there's more. But an average cell has between a thousand and two thousand of these. What does it mean to you to.

Be an ultimate human?

Listen, I think it's interesting. I think I was like 9 or 10 years old and I read a little kid's version of Einstein's biographies.

Think of it.

10% of the body weight. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

And that I was, like, inspired. And he mentioned that he probably hadn't used 90% of his potential and that there were. The humans rarely ever achieved their potential. And so my sort of quest. So these things are where the oxygen and the fuel goes, and there are enzyme systems in there so that you can take apart glucose molecules or fatty acids. And you. In my life was. How can I. I was going to extract the energy that's bound in those things, and then the cell can make ATP. You know, every one of us is given a gift, I believe, by God to. And you're here for a reason, and you're here to maximize ATP is the energy particle. And when this system is working right, you get 38 ATP for every. Go around your own potential to help people and do good, create effects that make life better for people. And so my parti. So. So I'm sort of. I feel like I'm sort of a warrior for that cause. So, you know, I'm, I'm. I love your aging statement about relentless pursuit.

Right.

Okay.

Now with oxygen.

With oxygen now. So that's aerobic metabolism using oxygen now in our body. So every day there's. There's hundreds of thousands of biotoxins that are in the comfort. So I'm in the cold plunge and I'm sauning and I'm done. I mean an ironman triathlon is a. Is a real mental challenge.

Right.

And so there's very few people on the earth that have done.

And you've done 44 of them.

It's actually should be 43 in case somebody.

I'm gonna give. I'm gonna give you the extra for. We were joking beforehand.

That environment that we put on our skin, we eat, we drink, we smell.

Fact checkers are gonna find that.

Yeah.

So how do you maximize your own potential, your intelligence, your ability? How can you make the biggest effect? Starting with myself and then with my family and with my, you know, my. They come into our body. If our body's unable to handle those things, we have these things. Friends and associates in my business. And then sue, my wife and I sue. We always, we always have animals. So we got animals and then, you know, the, the sort of. The expanding build up in certain areas in certain tissues, and they're unique to each person. But when the biotoxin level in the cell. So the toxin is coming into universe of influences that you have. And how can you. You know, my model is I'm. I'm in my rocking chair and I know that the cell gets enough in the cell to affect that tomorrow's my last day and I'm looking back on my life and how did I do, you know, how did I do in that enough of the mitochondria so that they become now poisoned regard to make it better and easier so other people could maximize their potential.

Right.

Both physically and emotionally and spiritually. They can't use oxygen. You know, we are. We are immortal spiritual beings. And there's a kernel there that needs education to make energy anymore. Now this too and needs to get, you know, needs help and needs to be able to. To know what in the hell's going on and how to do it. And so if. If I can be part. This was discovered by Otto warburg, a German M.D. ph.D. In the 1930s of that movement to make this place, you know, remove insanity and remove war.

Yeah.

You know, and reward beings. 40s he got a Nobel Prize.

Right.

Okay.

Was this what he. He also worked on Multi step oxygen therapy, I think. Same, same.

Doing good. I'll have lived a good life. Well, you see, doctor, well, his main fame is that he, he discovered that this was the key to, to not.

My vote, my opinion. You are an ultimate human. Thank you so much, Dr. Minkoff, for coming on the podcast. And as always, that's just science. Most cancers, this metabolic shift.

This metabolic shift.

Okay?

Now the cell, when this happens, is supposed to kill itself. We have a gene called p53. The gene is supposed to turn on. It sends a message to the cell, that autophagy. Now you're supposed to die and the cell dies. Sometimes the switch that the P53 gets turned on by is also poisoned. Now, the cell can't kill itself. Now, if that abnormal cell is noticed by an immune cell, it might take it out.

Okay?

But if it's not noticed, now that cell has to transform its way to make energy without oxygen. So this is anaerobic metabolism.

Right?

Now, anaerobic metabolism is very inefficient.

Right.

If you take in no oxygen, you take in. And the preferred fuel is, is either glucose or some amino acids, single amino acids. Glutamine is the main one. It can make ATP, but it can only make two of them. It's very inefficient.

Is that 38 barely limping along.

Right.

Okay.

And so now what this cell does is it turns on genes, so called cancer genes. They're not cancer genes at all. These are the genes that took an embryo, a fertilized egg, and turned it into a body. Now, cancer has two characteristics. It grows out of control, so it grows very fast, which is what happens in an embryo. If cells growing very fast and, you know, basically one union of a sperm and an egg, and in nine months you got a whole, whole developed body.

Right.

Okay, that's incredible. And the second thing about cancer is that these cells don't stay where they're supposed to. Like, you never see a breast cell in bone in a healthy person, they stay there. There's adhesion factors and they stay there. But in cancer, the adhesion factors are lost, which is what happens in an embryo. These cells have to move. You know, the testicles started in the kidney, right? Okay. Nerves start in the spinal cord, but they got all the way out to your fingers and toes. They had to be able to move, so these cancer cells have to be able to do this. And those genes in an adult cell are turned off. So the cancer cell turns them back on growth genes, genes to grow new blood vessels, genes to Turn up metabolism to grow faster, genes to change the surface of the cells so that it can get in more glucose.

Nutrients.

Yeah, nutrients. So a PET scan is a testament that if you have a normal cell that takes in one unit of glucose. I saw someone last week on the PET scan. That cell was taking in 68 units of glucose compared to the one in the healthy cell. Wow. This is a rabid tumor that was just growing crazy in the guy's liver. Okay. So the cell now is using glucose, and if it's got 68 times the metabolism, even though it's only two, it can make a whole lot of ATP and it can grow.

Right.

And so what we got to do is we got to be able to get people on the first part of this thing. It just goes back to basic lifestyle. Like toxins do matter, and the number of them that you're exposed to do does matter.

Right.

And being able to keep your liver detox systems up and you're, you know, going to the bathroom and get ring stuff and sweating and these sorts of things really matter because the origin of this whole thing is that now add to it viruses. There's some viruses that, that are associated with cancer and there's some funguses and fungal toxins, also poison mitochondria.

So some of these mycotoxins, these microtoxins.

Yeah. And parasites produce toxins. So in many cancer patients, we find mycotoxins, we find parasites, and we find viruses, you know, HPV and retroviruses present in herpes.

Enormous number of colon cancers. You were telling me 92, 93% caused by, but present.

It's there.

Yeah, yeah.

And a lot of the throat cancers too, they have HPV there. So these are, these are factors which, you know, you can't always control what you get, but if you can keep your basic health on a higher level, you can, you can do so.

Should the average person who has history of cancer in their family that's not genetic, not BRCA related, or what testing should they get done if they want to just be sure. What, what action could they take? Obviously clean D, filter your water, sunlight, grounding, breath work, these kinds of things. Stressors, cold, you know, cold showers or, or cold plunging, you know, heat saunas. You know, my audience especially is really, you know, on board and woke to those kinds of things. But what kind of, what kind of assurance testing or other measures could they do to say, man, is there just a standard viral panel that I could pull or mycotoxin panel? You know, I felt kind of off Lately. Where do I start with testing?

I think you start with a, with a, with a functional medicine doctor.

Okay.

You know, I think you need a real doctor. A real doctor. Well, you're an md.

You're a real doctor.

I know. I mean real medicine, you break your leg.

Don't call me one. But I am not a doctor.

Right, right. You break your leg, you need a C section, you got a head injury, you know, you're having a heart attack. Well, real medicine is really good for that stuff.

Excellent.

But if you have chronic symptoms, you know, you got headaches or high blood pressure or high cholesterol or any, you know, any of the diabetes, you know, you need to see a practitioner who's doing functional medicine will pay attention to these other things, Right? And then, and they come in all forms, chiropractors and nature pass and osteopaths and MDs, where they're actually looking at you very carefully with a much broader scope than the other than the, than the sort of standard MD look. And we'll test you more widely. And then I think just very prudent things like if you're a female, get a breast exam every year, get a thermogram every year, okay? Get a Pap smear.

Not a mammogram, a thermogram and a breast exam.

That's the difference.

Okay?

That's right. And do self checks. I mean, all these sort of basic things, right? And if you have something going on in your body that's not normal, don't ignore it. Find somebody who can actually check you out and find it. Because the earlier it's found, the better off you're going to be. Of course, you know, if you have a brewing something, it's better to get it earlier. Now nowadays there's all these, these fancy tests that are, you know, you could get whole body MRIs, you know, looking for stuff, right? And there's good and bad to that, but sometimes you find stuff that you're glad you found it, right? There's, there's, there's cologuard, which is like if you're over 30 years old, you know, and it's actually even insurance covered, is you submit a poop specimen and you see, you know, do you have brewing colon cancer?

Right.

Okay. And most doctors on a, on a full physical exam will do a rectal exam and they'll check the stool to see if there's blood in it.

Right.

Like these are big diseases which are, you know, cancer is on a meteoric rise.

No, I've seen That.

Yeah.

And so I think does it is worthwhile to. To be prudent about looking after this stuff?

Yeah.

And then if you've got parasites, if you've got fungal toxins, is work with a practitioner who can help you get that stuff. And you'll find that your level of health will go up.

Yeah.

And you'll feel better. And then your chances of getting some chronic problem or is way better.

Yeah. Just.

It is astounding to me. You know, prevention is the new cure. I mean, clearly. And the functional medicine, you know, the growth of functional medicine and integrative medicine, I think on the backs of COVID is. I mean, is serving humanity. Well, people are awakening to the fact that they can take health care back into their own hands. And so in your, in your clinical practice, when these, when these patients have cancer, you have a very unique approach, in my opinion, to how you're. You're treating them. Testing the blood and testing the cancer for the type of chemotherapeutic agent that has the highest, you know, efficiency.

Right.

Using smaller amounts of chemo targeted by putting patients into a state of ketosis and actually using that. That seething demand that, that the cancer cell has for glucose for energy as a way to sort of Trojan horse the. The chemotherapy into. Into the patient, even using. Even using insulin.

Right. And.

And glucose as, you know, as a delivery pathway.

Exactly.

Can we. Because this is part of a clinical trial. Can we touch on that for. For a second? Are you comfortable talking about that?

Yeah, I mean, I think, see, the only thing that matters is, is what you're doing making the patient better.

That seems so like, like, duh, modern medicine should know that. But sometimes we're like, we don't even take that approach.

You know, we're like. I'm agnostic on it. You know, like they killed Mozart with, with mercury. Okay. Not a good outcome. They killed George Washington by bleeding him out. Okay. So I think you just have to look. It's outcome based medicine. It's outcome. So I had a. So one of the very effective treatments in cancer that's done by mainline cancer is like testicular cancer. The cure rate is, is really high, like above 90%. So if someone comes to me with, if a young man, it's usually young men come to me with prostate cancer. I, I will say, you know, there's a 90% cure. If you just go to the oncologist, I will help you with nutrition and immune boosting and these other things. The therapy that he's going to do with you while harsh within six months, has a 90% chance of actually curing you. And the residuals of the therapy that he uses, we can usually deal with. So that we can clean you out afterwards. Go there, do that. Okay. Another one's like Hodgkin's lymphoma. The cure rate is pretty darn good. Now, a lot of the other cancers, especially if they're, you know, stage two, three, four, like it's out of the area. I think what I tell people is, you know, when you see the oncologist is show me what the 5 year survivals are for what you're gonna do. Because that's an outcome based measurement.

Right.

And then, you know, we have our own outcome based measurements. And I think the patient really is then in a position to decide, like, where are my best chances?

And so what is the five year survival rate with the plan that you're going to put me on?

Yeah.

I had somebody last week with a, he had a, a stage four cancer of his, of his bile duct. This is like a nasty cancer. And he had seen a couple of oncologists and I said, did you ask him? And he said he really hadn't. And I just took out my phone and I just googled five year survival of stage four biliary duct cancer. And it varied between 13 and 15% as a five year survival.

Wow.

Which is, you know, the guy was actually a little miffed at me that I said that to him. But I said, you're trying to make a decision on what should you do, because your life is at stake. This is a very serious disease and I'm not promising him a rose garden at all.

Right.

Because this is a very serious disease. But here's what we would do versus what they would do. And then you can make an informed choice as to what you think is the best way to go. And we are trying to do it such that we boost immunity, we attack cancer cells. But if we in the process of attacking cancer cells using low dose chemotherapy, but also things like intravenous vitamin C and curcumin and some other things will kill cancer cells, is do it so that we make sure if our therapy is injuring the patient too much, that we got to think of other things to do. So if you add hyperbaric oxygen and hyperthermia and ozone, other things at the same time, you can often kind of get away with more.

Right.

And, and improve outcomes. So that's, that's what we're, you know, that's what we're trying to Do. And there's no, you know, there's no magic bullet.

Right.

You know, Nixon in 1972, I think, declared a war on cancer, where hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars got poured into cancer research. And there's a whole lot of smart people that have been trying to figure this thing out, and nobody's got it figured out.

Right.

You know, this is 50. Yeah. 50 something years later. So this is very, very complicated.

Yeah.

And we certainly don't have it figured out either.

Right.

But we have an approach that's different. And if someone's uncomfortable with what they're hearing, I just say, just take a look, see what resonates with you.

Right.

You know, because the most important thing is you believe in what you're getting.

Yes. Oh.

And I believe that if you believe more in the outcome, you can influence the outcome. And there's some. Some evidence of that, too. People's, you know, attitude.

And some people are just so stubborn, they won't die.

Yeah.

You hear that? The more stubborn you are, the longer you live.

I don't know if I've seen a.

Study on longevity, being stubborn, but.

And it's very funny, sometimes the stubbornness is, is I'm gonna live until my granddaughter gets married. And sometimes the stubbornness is I'm gonna live just because if I died, he'd be happy. I love that.

Oh, curmudgeon.

It doesn't actually matter. They just need a reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They just need a reason. Well, this has just been fascinating. I think this is. This is going to go down as one of my greatest podcasts ever. And I. And I hope that in the future you'll come. Come back on the pod. Love that we went down the road of Lyme disease and. And amino acids and cancer and Crohn's disease and autoimmune and everything else, because I. These are big, big topics to. To my audience. Where can people find out more about you? Where can they find out more about your clinic, more about your products? Where can they find out more about.

So our clinic is LifeWorks Wellness Center. The website is LifeWorks Wellness center, all one word dot com.

Okay.

Terrible website name, but that's what it is. Okay. We're in Clearwater, Florida. We're seeing patients. Patients. We're seeing new patients. And some of our patients are real elite athletes, because I'm an athlete, and they want to come and do. Do stuff with this. So we see those patients, right? And a lot of our patients have, like, serious neurologic disease. Like, we do really well with Ms. And Parkinson's and things like that and then autoimmune diseases of all kinds and Lyme disease and patients with cancer. So we're that, that really is where we specialize. We started a company, my son and I started a company a little about 20 something years ago where we needed to have products that people needed but weren't existing in the, in the existing space. And so we started a product company. It's called Body Health. So the website is bodyhealth.com and we probably have about 30 or 35 different products. Perfect Amino is one of those products.

I'm a huge fan of that one.

And Metal Free and Chemical Detox is another one of those products.

Huge fan of that one too.

And so we all the products that we have have come out of our clinic. Like we need something. The existing stuff just isn't good enough.

Right.

What can we do to sort of put it in that space? So we have 2,000 medical, 2,000 doctors, nutritionists and chiropractors and osteopaths and medical doctors that use our products in their clinic because they find the products are just really effective of for what they're trying to do. And these are all functional medicine people.

Because it was born from a functional medicine need.

That's right. And so we're working on products all the time to develop new stuff because there's lots of new technology, there's lots of new science and the field is just like exploding.

Oh, it's on fire.

I've never been more excited in my life about.