This is an episode of the "Living Between Worlds" conversation series (hosted by Gil Friend) that began during early COVID to explore intersecting crises (pandemic, climate, 'metacrisis'). In this opening chunk Gil frames the series with quotes from Antonio Gramsci and Arundhati Roy, then introduces guest Carol Sanford — a long-time, unconventional business consultant who has worked with firms including Procter & Gamble, Seventh Generation, Nummi, and others. Gil notes Carol's focus on purpose, essence, and regenerating land and communities, and cites her latest (seventh) book No More Gold Stars, about encouraging independent thinking over programmatic, mechanistic approaches.
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Let me first just welcome you to living between worlds. Those of you who are back again, and those of you here for the first time. This is a four year running conversation that I began in the early days of COVID struck by the confluence of the pandemic crisis and the climate crisis and what's come to be called the metacrisis and the parallels and weirdnesses of all those. And inspired by two quotes, really one from Antonio Gramsci, Italian revolutionary who about 100 years ago said that the old world is dying and the new world is struggling to be born. And between them is the time of Mon. And on a, in a somewhat different mood, the wonderful Arundhati Roy who said there's a new world coming On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing. So here we are and we're very honored and thrilled to have as our special guest Carol Sanford. Carol is a. Carol, it's hard to describe you in a few words. I'm going to let you do most of it. But Carol is a. Is a legendary and notable and very unusual business consultant who's work with companies as diverse as Procter and Gamble and Seventh Generation and Nummi T and many others with an approach that is not what you usually hear from most consultants, sustainability consultants, regeneration consultants, what have you. Her latest book, her seventh book, no More Gold Stars, subtitled, is about how getting people to think for themselves and moving away from the kind of programmatic, mechanistic approach that we've lived in for I was going to say so many years, but probably so many decades or centuries. I first learned of Carol through my once upon a time ago business partner, Bill Reed, one of the generators of the lead rating system, who dove deep into Carol's work on purpose and essence and how that feeds the work of regenerating land and communities. And I've followed her work for years. Unfortunately, I regret this. Carol from the periphery. We've not worked together, but I've been inspired by what you've done. I've been reading your three most recent books over the last week since we decided to do this and I will say no more, except to say that I just have great respect. I'm honored for you to be here. And in contrast to our usual.
