Mama Glow with Latham Thomas

Welcome to Mama Goddess. I'm your host, Alexandra J. Johnson. This podcast is all about rocking your goddess life, creating vibrant health and celebrating motherhood and family life. It's about living an authentically awesome life. Let's have some fun.

Hello, I'm Alexander J. Johnson and today's guest is the lovely Latham Thomas. Latham is a maternity lifestyle maven, wellness and birth coach and yoga teacher on the vanguard of transforming the maternal wellness movement. A graduate of Columbia University and the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, Latham is the founder of Mama Glo, a holistic lifestyle hub for women to explore lower their creative edge through well being. Welcome, Latham.

Thank you for having me. How are you?

I'm so great and I'm so excited to be chatting with you and I love everything that you're up to in the world. It's all so exciting. So very excited.

Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

Yes. So let's dive in with. I'd like to start off with how you became interested in wellness and pregnancy and mamahood and Mama Glow. So maybe just give us a little insight, your background.

Sure. Well, it really started as I was growing up. I was really exposed to being from California. You know how it is. It's sort of like one of those places that you're kind of exposed to wellness through osmosis. It's like kind of in the water. Everybody's in this sort of like healthier frame of mind. So I had that kind of as a backbone, I would say, like being brought up in Oakland and my mom was really focused in health and I spent time with practitioners and people particularly focused around. And one of my mentors was this master herbalist. And I got to study beneath her and learn a lot about the foods and actually medicinal herbs and wild edibles that were to promote our health. So I kind of had that as a basis for when I was younger and just being really astonished by the landscape and the natural sciences. And I would say that was sort of the foundation and. And I moved to. I went to boarding school in Colorado. Then I came to New York and it was a little bit of a shock that there wasn't. I knew it was like a concrete jungle, but like there was really like not that many trees around and not a lot of green space. You have to really go and seek it out. And I was intrigued by that because that's for me, really balancing finding green space. And so when I became pregnant, I saw a lot of what I saw in sort of the life cycles that I was studying in Plants. I sort of was observing that through the process of gestation, you know, with a child, and seeing sort of how plants yield themselves to, you know, nature. I really saw how that's really our mandate also during this process is that to slow down and be relaxed and romance ourselves and really sink into the gift of pregnancy. During that time, I also needed to learn a lot because it was my first time having a baby. And it's not like we're immersed in a culture that really celebrates it. So you don't really know what to expect beyond what you see on television or what you hear from people, which are largely stories that are, I would say, a little intimidating or fear based. Right. So for me, it was a lot of a journey into self and learning about my power. And I think that that was the spark for me that I knew that I was supposed to be working more with the female population. I had a background in sciences and then I studied nutrition as well after finishing at Columbia. So it was something that I felt qualified to go into. And so I just kind of took the leap.

I love that too. Can you talk a little bit about the romancing ourself and the journey into self?

Like how.

Because I think that's such a beautiful experience for a pregnant woman. And it doesn't seem like our culture really celebrates a woman going into herself and romancing herself and really relishing in pregnancy. So can you talk a little bit more about what that means and how do we do that?

Sure. So I mean, for me, it's like when I close my eyes and when I feel. When I think about what makes me feel my best, it's what makes me feel most feminine. I feel like we're really taught to go out. I should say. What's valued in our culture is really the go getter going out into the world, coming back with a kill. Right. It's like the hunter is really valued. And my dad would say things to me about, about being still all the time and not like, quiet up, quiet down, be still, but more like, you know, you don't have to go out to get what you want. Like a lot of it comes from you being still, you know, like you just being focused and doing what you're doing. Like somebody's going to come, like whether that's like romantic partner, whether that's like the, you know, the right connection for whatever you're trying to do. If, like you don't have to go hustling. Everything's not about hustle. And so especially for women, it's so attractive to be. To be more in your feminine realm, you know, and not like, you know, not sort of dispersing your energy everywhere, really concentrating your energy on yourself. Because especially in this process when you're pregnant, it's so much of our energy is going to creating this being that's inside of you. And so we need portals for self renewal. And a lot of that, a lot of like self renewal comes from slowing down, right? And being in the moment, unitasking instead of multitasking, you know, and, you know, finding creative outlets and sort of energetic inputs, right? So that you can kind of balance yourself out from sort of modern lifestyle. And so I don't think it's about like, you know, cutting off the world or not engaging with what we have as far as, you know, technology and social, you know, interaction or anything like that. I just feel like it's one of these things where we need to really assess, like, what is creating existential stress in my life and what can I let go of. And if you can sort of peel back some things, you might find that you're breathing more deeply. If you can integrate certain practices like meditation and like a stretching or yoga practice, going to bed earlier, you know, doing a media detox. Like some of these things are just like sound super basic, but it's really hard to do some of them, you know, for a lot of people. And, and so just making a commitment during this time. I find people stick to the practices because they're more compelled to do what's right for the baby first. But what happens with that being your premise? What happens is that you start to feel so good engaging in all these practices too, that it becomes for you. And so I really want women to feel like they are. That it's all about them and the world is really evolving around them, especially during this time. Because it is the only reason why we're all here is because we pass through someone's hips, right? So we really need to celebrate this time and also be sort of the change makers, the people who are going to facilitate the shift in how we're treated in culture. We have to demand it. And it doesn't have to be through force. It has to be through example in our action. And if we respect ourselves first and give ourselves what we need to sustain energy and to feel fulfilled, then other people can respond to that.

That's awesome. So I'm just curious, do you find that this is one of the biggest challenges for women during pregnancy, is really taking the time to honor themselves and have the self care and the self love. And what inhibits women from really diving into taking care of themselves?

I think what inhibits a lot of women from sort of taking care of themselves is, like, social pressure to perform and to achieve and to put other people's needs first. I think we're taught that at a very early age that, you know, to take care of others. And it's something that we've inherited culturally, but we're in a time where we can sort of reclaim that space and shake off some of these sort of cultural notions and create, like, a life that's not about constantly apologizing for who you are and standing in total presence and total strength of yourself as a woman. And part of that is, you know, just drawing boundaries. And I think it's very simple, like, where you not, like, you know, huge thing. I think it starts with, like, little boundaries where, like, you know, someone asks you to do something and you feel obligated, like, being able in that moment to be like, you know what? No. And that gives you, like, the courage to keep saying it when it's appropriate, you know, so that people know where you begin and where you end. I think that's the most prevalent thing I find is that women, we have a hard time saying no, and we just take on stuff, even if it's something we can do and we can do well, doesn't mean that we should. Right? And it's not like for us to also. It's also like, a great learning experience for the people that we say no to to understand, like, where we stand in our boundaries. And also, like, you know, what they should be able to learn to do on their own, right? Or, like, if it's, you know, someone that's capable, that's asking you to do something that, you know, is overwhelming for you, like, putting it back on them that, like, no, you can actually do that yourself, you know, so for us, I think it's a huge transition that each of us needs to make on a personal level. But what pregnancy does is, like, amplifies this need to not only draw boundaries, but to be able to ask, right? So you find, like, there's things that you can't do physically. Sometimes, like some people, it never comes up. But sometimes for many of us, we'll find that there's instances where we need help, right? Like, there's something that we need or, you know, we have to enlist people in our community or our partners and friends and sister circles and stuff to, like, help us. And it's a time of Learning how to receive. So I think it's a really good time to, like, really step into, like, that feminine energy of receptivity and sort of the goddess energy of, like, holding space and calling in, like, all the pieces that you need to sustain yourself while you're giving so much as your baby grows. Wow.

I love that. Beautiful. So inspiring, too. And I love. I love your work, too, because just coming back to the feminine and also I find your work very empowering. For women like that, being a mother is a noble goal and a noble pursuit and a noble lifestyle in many ways. And in our culture, it seems like you said going out to get the kill is the accomplishment and all of that stuff. We all want to be recognized, But I just feel like you're bringing mama glow and mama goodness back to the mainstream and back to people and having it really empowering people. I don't know if that made sense, but totally did.

Yeah. I think there's nothing sexier than being who you were made to be and really shining, you know, like, standing in who you are and not trying to be anyone else. But there's also something so super sexy and elegant about being feminine. And I think there's been a lot of, you know, misperceptions about, like. I mean, I think everyone's confused about what's supposed to be feminine for some reason. And I don't want to get into all of that because there's a lot to unpack. But I do think that, you know, there's a difference between equality and sameness. And I think that being treated equally, I don't want to be treated like I'm necessarily the same as a man, because I'm not. And I think that there are inherent qualities in women that make us so strong, that give us, like, in our weakness, the greatest strength of a thousand men combined in our weakness. And I think that there's things about men, you know, that they have definitely a biological edge or whatever, or we're just wired differently, and that's for a reason. I think there's just this sort of cosmic dance that everything is in balance for a reason. And so I just believe that women standing up and finding that space for themselves, like, where they exist in that space and not being. Not being or allowing themselves to be sort of trampled upon by societal norms, standing up in their power. And I think, like, what comes up when you're pregnant more than anything is it's such a subtle body experience, so a lot of your emotions come up, and there's a lot of Moving hormones, dancing and stuff. So a lot comes up from your past, but it doesn't come up to haunt you. It comes up to resolve itself so that you could be a powerful mother. And it's during the process that you're pregnant that you can mother yourself, right, because you're about to be somebody's mom. The baby's going to birth you at the same time that you're birthing them into the world. They're birthing you as a mother, so they're birthing you, so you're shedding. So it's like a rite of passage and it's a really great time to shed some of this stuff and like, get underneath some of these underpinnings of our, you know, these sort of like the neuroses that we have around, you know, being who we are. You know, having your belly expand, have your hips spread, have like extra weight, feeling insecure. Like all these things that come up, there's things that are out of your control that are happening to your body. A lot of things are in your control too. We can talk about that. But so many things are out of your control that you just have to learn in this time to just surrender and be grateful and know that the configuration will only be this way, this, in this moment in time. Like it'll never happen again if you have five kids. It'll never be the same experience ever. So like, this 40 week period is like a training ground for the rest of your life in being a woman. And I think it's a really great time to explore. So I just want women to just harness it, like, you know, like, basically, you know, really, really be like in their feminine. But like, you know how they say, like, you know, grabbing the balls? I think we should get like, you know, like kind of really just feel our ovaries, you know what I mean? Like, really, really stand in that strength and that power of what it is to be a woman. Because it's such an amazing thing. And I don't think we all realize it because we're so busy like, you know, trying to like compete and out, you know, not outdo men, but like, we're also trying to do so much and it doesn't. We don't have to produce in that way to like, find value in ourselves. So if we can just get out of that frame of mind that like, production equals success. It's like we're reproducing, you know, And I don't mean just on a physical level, but every creative process is a birth and we all have that potential. And so if we can look at every creative process that's trying to move through us and honor it, and if it's something that you're compelled to bring into the world, allow it to be born through you, that's also, you know, that's the same sort of work that's happening within that we see people doing on the outside. And you can see it because it's like, outward work, but there's a lot of inward working things that are happening in the darkness, like the baby being grown in the dark and creative processes, all that stuff happens in darkness. And so we have to honor that. There's, like, a balance between what we see and what we don't and not, like, taking away the value from these processes that are more internal and more, like, underground, Right. It's like, if you look at sort of development in the plant world, and this is where I see a lot of parallels. It's like, we only really value plants when they're yielding a crop, right? So we're like, oh, great, look, it's fruiting or it's flowering or whatever. We don't even think about what's happening underground. That there are, like, microorganisms and earthworms and, like, there's this whole symbiotic relationship, series of relationships that are, like, carrying forth the nurturing and emergence of the plant from underground above. So we could even see that anything's going on. So it's sort of like the same thing. There's a whole landscape underground, right? And then we only see what's above. And so I think that part of the issue is that we're so consumed with what we can see and what we can show and how we can count it. But there's a lot of things that count that can't be counted. And I think we just got to reframe how we feel. Think about it, and we'll feel more powerful when we stand.

Yeah. Amazing.

I love that.

That's so beautiful, too, because I think it really brings us back to. I know, being pregnant and going through the whole process. It's like it really brings you back to the miraculous and the invisible, the magical energy in the universe. I'm not doing anything yet. There is a baby. There is life. Like, this is the ultimate creation. You know, I can create things in the world that I can show for, but the ultimate creation. I am creating a human being right now. I just. Every time I can step back and just be in that space, you have no choice but to Be just, like, in awe of the whole miracle of life.

Totally. I totally think so, too. Yeah. And then you can just be like, wow, okay. Like, now I'm back to balance. Yep.

So I'm curious. What has been kind of your. What was the biggest gift for you? What did you. The biggest lesson that you learned throughout your pregnancy?

That's a good question. I think the biggest gift was probably the birth itself. You know, I think. Well, first of all, I guess there was many moments where. Little profound moments along the way. But when I found out that I was pregnant, I was. I mean, I was so unprepared. Like, it wasn't like I thought, like, oh, I'm ready and this is the right time, and let's try. It was like I was so unprepared, you know, and it wasn't unwanted. It was definitely unplanned. It wasn't like, I was like, this is a time. And I had a little conversation being, like, with my son, and I was like, look, I know that you're here, and I'm preparing myself. I'm readying myself to be your mom. I don't even know what that means. I don't know how to do that. But if you trust me and really believe that I'm supposed to be your mommy and I'm supposed to do this, if you have faith, then I think I could have that same faith, because right now I don't know what I'm doing right. And so I said, so I'm going to be 100% here. I'm just letting you know that I'm flawed and stuff, and we'll just figure it out, I guess. And I had that conversation when I was. I don't even know if I was showing yet. But then I remember being like, I guess this baby, like, really thinks that I'm ready, you know, like, how could I be ready? And I remember. I remember when I had the. When I. When I was in labor. I remember right before this intuitive sense of I needed to walk. And so I remember I walked for about three miles, walked all over the whole city, and my hips got really open. And I remember at night. And I wrote this in the book. It's in, like, the first probably introduction or something I wrote. And I said, you know, we were home, and I was sitting on a bed, and we were listening to Mahalia Jackson, and she was singing some gospel song, and it was, like, really intense. And she was sort of coming to this place where there was the peak of the song. And right before that, I said, you know, I wish this baby would really give me a sign. You know, it's like, I'm a week late. I don't know what to do. It's like, getting hot. It was July. It's like it's getting hot. You know, I feel like I'm ready for this. I just wish he would just give me a sign, you know? And all of a sudden, like, I felt it was a full moon, and I felt the water break, and I was like, oh, my God. And he was like, his father. He was like, what? I was like, I'm either peeing or the water broke. And there was that moment where I was like, oh, my gosh, the baby is like. I was like. I knew it. I knew he was going to come on a full moon. I knew he was going to respond. Like, I knew. Like, we were just in such communication. And so it was almost like he. And we were both really in tune to each other and energetically so. I was trusting. I was trusting him. I was trusting my body. And I said, look, I need a sign. I need to know what's going down. And then it came within 10 minutes of me saying that. And so then we knew we were having a baby the next day. And I remember the process being like, I guess a textbook sort of flow of how things go, like, what to look for. Like, I had all those sort of, like, variables. And I remember the midwives were so, like. They just. They just were. It was just such a normal thing. It wasn't like, oh, my God, hurry up, rush to the hospital. Like, I stayed home. I relaxed. I watched some jazz documentaries. I went to sleep, and I called everybody. I was so excited. But then I woke up, I remember. And a lot of women, I find out, do this. Like, I just woke up, and I just wanted to be by myself, right? So I kind of went in the bathroom and was in the shower, and this is when it started to get more intense. And I just remember. I just remember not feeling the need to alert anybody. And it was like. It's kind of like how, you know, animals, you see primates, when they kind of go into sort of like, this cave or this. They go into, like, their primal experience where they're just not. They're not surrounded by any other animals. They go into a place that feels safe, where they could kind of just be in that space. And I totally went into my primal state where I was really trusting my body, and my body was moving in all these ways that I would never really, in regular life. But how. I've seen women in birth, like, how they just move. And so you sort of like. I clicked into this ancestral wisdom that just kind of kicked in. And I had all this stuff that was sort of. I had access to almost, like, all of this information because my brain was totally open. And, like, the brain waves have slowed down, so I wasn't thinking. It was more like feeling. And so I just stayed in that place. And the labor progressed really fast. And so we went down. I was going to walk there, but we were moving. It was moving pretty quickly. So we took a taxi and I arrived. And I remember, like, being allowed to stay in that state. It wasn't like you got there and they were like, okay, what's your Social Security number? What's your full name? What's your panty size? What's your. It wasn't all that, you know, it was, like, quiet, like, utter silence. They watched and observed a contraction. And they said, okay, lay them this way. And they took me. And I remember my son's grandfather was like, whoa. Like, he had never seen anything like it. Having both of his kids born, you know, in a way, you know, via instrumentation and having a lot of, like, you know, lights and doctors and surgeons involved, and he had never seen anything like it. And so it was just beautiful. And, I mean, the birth was beautiful. It was, like, all natural. And in the birth center where we did it, you know, they don't have anything. There is no other way. You know, it's like, that's the way you're doing it. So if I wanted anything, I'd have to go to the hospital and transfer. So I was very committed to having it this way because I really wanted to be in the process. And I really was. I was gifted this, like. It was this, like, cocktail of horror hormones that overcomes you. And right after I had the baby, and what people say, like, they don't remember the pain. Some people say they remember it, but I can't tell you what the pain felt like. I can tell you that I recall the experience and the sensations and stuff. Like, I know that it was intense, but I don't. I can't. Like, you know how if you cut yourself or you burn yourself, there's some memory. Like you're. There's some sort of memory, memory. It's not. You don't get it when you have children. Otherwise, I don't think you would continue to do it, you know, just by, like, biologically, it wouldn't be advantageous for you to remember it. But what you do remember and what you get is, like, a prize beyond holding your baby. There's, like, this amazing flood of, like, hormones. It's like oxytocin and, like, PEA and DMT and all this stuff. You're, like, on some psychedelic that your body produced, and you're just high. And I remember being there, just, like, in this zone, and it was beautiful. And you just stayed there. I just stayed there. And I remember being like, wow, I cannot believe that not every woman feels this way after they have a baby. And at that moment, I knew that I had to commit myself to shifting that for people and to, like, really try to shift it on a cultural level. Wow.

Amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that. I had goosebumps and tears. That's awesome. Yeah. And I love that, too. The commitment to. Not everyone has that experience, and for the majority of the population and the culture, that is not the case. So I think it's so empowering to hear your story. You know, and the beauty and the joy and the transformation that you went through and the gifts that you got from the birth is something that I want all women to be able to have. That's the experience that I want to have. So it's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

Of course.

So did that, like, that moment you. So now you're a birth coach. So can you tell us what a birth coach is and how you support women through this process and help them kind of create this experience that you went through?

Sure. So my role is really to educate, advocate, and empower and mobilize women in this process. It's not just about me being there and sort of doing everything. I really want to stir up women in their. To feel, I guess, like, wow, I didn't think about that. Let me look into it more, like, to be, you know, more learned on what's going on, but also to sort of take back the reins in whatever setting they're in so they're not handing over their power to whomever is going to be delivering them. I want women to really know what all the options look like and what works for them. So my stance is not a place of judgment. Like, if you're looking to have an epidural or if you're looking, you know, if you're having a C section. I've had tons of clients who've had C sections. A lot of them have been, you know, because of medical reasons prior to even getting to the hospital, like, things that they've known ahead of time. And some of them were emergency and then some of them were like, you know, elected for, because of circumstances in the moment. And so, you know, it's not my place to judge really. My place is to value how she, I guess, protect how she remembers that experience, like make sure that all the things that are in place insofar as I can, that she feels comfortable and she feels honored and, and she feels strong and supported and she recalls the experience like as beautiful as possible and as blissful as possible. And for some people, there's a journey in how the baby has to come here. So we might want one thing and it might come another way. And that's a lesson too. And then I think, you know, a big piece of it is just being able to help people soften and not be afraid, right? And know that this is just a natural. Like women are doing this throughout the world as we speak and that we are just one of many that are like joining the club and lineage, right? And so it's totally cool and like our bodies are totally capable. And I think that that's the one thing that really, that really, I think a lot of people have a hang up with is whether or not their bodies can do it. And we know that we can because we're all here because it's possible. But I think a lot of women are afraid because culturally we have, you know, when you're dealing with a medical system, and I'm not against doctors, I work with a lot of them, I'm not against them. But I think that just like, as a system, there's a pervasive theory which is totally flawed, that our bodies are like inherently flawed, you know. And so, you know, we're constantly being bombarded with this sort of mentality, right, that well, you know, this and this and this could happen. It's very dangerous. It's mostly not. And there are things that can come up, but it's mostly not. It's just the way that we're framing it, you know. And so I think that part of what I'm supposed to do is to dispel those sort of myths for women and help them to like get underneath where they're, you know, sit in their courage and really in their root chakra and ground themselves in their power and know that they can really do it like, that they are really the crux of community and of the family and that everything that comes forth in the world passes through this cosmic cervix. Like everything does. And everything comes from darkness into the light. And it's just a balance and it's just if we can look at it outside of like oh my God. And you know it's going to be this and it's going to hurt or whatever. Like get outside of this like you know, individual experience and look at it on like a cosmic level, like a huge level. Like just blow it up. It's like, it's just like it's one of many creative processes happening with everything else that's happening in the world. You know, there's also butterflies that are emerging. There's also, you know, seasons changing. Like we are just part of that dance. And the more we can get into our bodies and find how to get comfortable and move our bodies and learn the language of our bodies, the more I think we'll enjoy the experience. I think dance is really great for women to get involved in. I encourage women to slow dance with their partners. You know, like my job is really to help you get comfortable but you know, give you tools that will make you go inside and then you'll pull out stuff that you didn't know was there that I wouldn't even know was there because it's your own stuff, you know. But I'm just supposed to be there as like a constant support and really a guide. Like I'm somebody who just helps you to cross the river and I just hold your hand. So that's really my place.

So beautiful. And do you recommend any rituals or ceremonies for women to do during pregnancy to kind of prepare for this rite of passage?

Yeah, I think, you know, some of. And I talk about this a lot. In Mama Glo we have, you know, pre pregnancy I have some rituals around clearance and making space inviting, you know, inviting a man in your life or a partner, whatever it is that you're looking for if you're already coupled, like space to like invite your baby in, you know, like clearing, doing a cleanse that's physical with the body. Clearing out your home space, like sorting out things in your life that might make it, that might create energetic blocks. Like we have that for pre pregnancy and then like during pregnancy. A lot of it like, you know, goes back to that, you know, self care, romance. You know, this whole idea of like pampering is a big thing and finding things that work for you. Massage. Massage for me was huge. I loved getting massage. I really encourage it for women also. I think going into better eating patterns, having people eat in a way that not only is health supportive but also tastes really yummy. So I don't want people eating rice cakes if they don't Want to, because they feel like they don't taste like anything. But. But I feel like people should eat healthful foods that connect them back to what makes them feel good. So I encourage people to look at foods from their culture or cultures that they feel really drawn to. And eating in those ways, being in community around their food, because that's how we sort of ate when our life depended on it. We would all eat in bands. I think it's really important, too, to be around people that make you feel good. So creating time to spend with girlfriends, creating a sister circle is one of the ritual things that I encourage women to do, is find women who are like, your elders in this process. So, like, they already have kids or they even might have grandchildren, but friends and aunts and. And sisters who kind of like, can help you and guide you and are good at things that you're going to need help with once the baby gets here. So that's definitely something that's helpful. But then definitely, like yoga and breathing practices, sitting on a pillow. There's a couple different meditations that I give, and there's also some things that you could do lying down. So I have a bunch of that stuff. And there's also visuals in the book. But I think it's really helpful to figure out what you feel good with and not prescribing to any particular thing because you feel like you should. Because this is also a time where you shouldn't be shoulding on yourself. You should just do what feels right for you. And so I kind of stick with whatever is working. I stick with. And when it stops to work is when I move on to the next thing. And I think for pregnant women, you find that there's a lot of mobility in your practices because you're just growing every day. So sometimes things work and you're like, oh, my God, this worked three weeks ago. It doesn't feel the same now. And so you need, like, an arsenal of different tools so that you can move through them as needed. But those are sort of the basics. I mean, every day I think everyone should take, like, you know, a warm bath. Not hot, a warm bath, shut off, like, all the digital clutter and light a candle, maybe put some essential oil or something, and then just rest. I think a foot rub is really nice, you know, but, like, trying to do these kind of things that make you feel like a queen, you know, because the more you feel comfortable, the more your body softens and your connective tissue loosens up and you can relax and the more tense you feel, obviously, there's all kinds of other factors and conditions associated with stress, but we know the idea is to sort of level out the stress and be feeling more. More relaxed in this process.

Right? Yeah. And then all of these things, like relaxing our body that, you know, because in our culture, stress just seems to be, like, such a big thing. You know, everything's moving so fast. Women's bodies just, you know, are rigid in many ways. And do you think that impacts. I mean, it's got to impact the birthing process, you know, not giving yourself relax and let your body open, that your body just doesn't dilate.

Mm, exactly. It's like a retraining because, yeah, I've seen a lot of women who have this. This thing of, like, well, I'm letting go. I'm not, you know, like. Or they're trying to be controlled, and they don't realize that it's not about them being in control. It's about losing control. It's really about being wild. And I think that's what's scary for the medical system and why they're trying to find ways to manage labor. And I don't think it's all this conspiracy theory. I think what it is, if you look at it from a business perspective, there's a certain number of beds, you know, and there's a certain number of doctors, and there's a bunch of women that are all coming in at different points in time. And if you have a heart surgery, you know how long it takes you to do. If you have, you know, a. Whatever. Like, whatever it is, you know how long it takes to do that surgery. But with a birth, it's not an illness. You come in, you're being monitored for malpractice insurance reasons, not because you need to be. So they have to do that so they're not sued. So they have you on these monitors and hooked up to all these things, which totally take you out of your primal experience, because now you're in this, like, you know, you're not feeling safe, necessarily. And that adds on time to your birth because you have to get comfortable. Right. And they're managing your labor, and they only have a certain amount of time where they start to say, okay, well, this is a failed labor. They use all kinds of terms that are, like, really putting women down. You know, stalled labor and failure to progress and all that kind of stuff. It's just really, like, not about your body being wrong at all. It's really that the circumstances don't make your body feel Safe to yield your baby into the world. Can you imagine being in a place where you're supposed to have a baby and you don't even feel safe? Like, on a. I'm not talking about in, like, your head. You know that the hospital is probably a safe place. On a primal level, you don't feel safe. So you're not going to. Like, if you're in the woods and you heard, like, a mountain lion nearby and you're like an ape or whatever, you'd be like, hell, no, I'm not about to drop this. I'm going to find a place that's safe. And you're just everything. So flight or flight kicks in and, like, your blood rushes to your limbs and to your brain and away from your abdominal region, away from the uterus, right? And that stops. Contractions will completely stop until you get to a place where you're safe. And labor will resume once some of those stress hormones clear. Now, that's in the wild. But the same thing happens whether or not you are being chased by a lion or being, like, poked and prodded and hooked up to machines and have people in the room chatting that you don't know, and interns and, you know, I mean, imagine, right? It's like, you know, and going back to the whole thing I was saying about just them managing, it's like they can't say how long that process is going to go, so they try to, like, implement things that will speed it up, right? So they try to control what's wild, what's inherently wild. And in that, they institute some practices that may or may not be the best for you and your baby at that time that are based upon wanting to move through things faster. Wanting to make it faster. Faster is not better, necessarily, especially in a process like this. If it's slow, it's for a reason, right? And so we just need to get under what that reason is. And sometimes the woman needs to move her body. And, you know, if you're confined to a bed, it makes it difficult. And so there's all these things, but the main one, for me, I'm concerned that the mom feels comfortable. And if she feels comfortable to move and make sounds and, you know, get in positions that make her feel good, then she's going to have a really, really good labor as far as, like, how it progresses, right? If she's feeling unsafe, she feels like she needs to be quiet. She feels like she can't trust people that are in the room or, you know, she's not feeling good about the process, it's not going to move in a rhythmic way. And she's going to start judging herself, right? Because again, we're like, kind of set up with everything being based on outcomes. So if they come check her and she's like, 2 centimeters and she's been birthing for, like, 30 hours, she's going to be judging herself, right? So there's all these things that I think, you know, that come into the process. And so I just really try to prepare women for what the entire sort of, like, landscape could look like. Here's what your options are, and then here's what could happen. And let's look at, like, how we would react in any of these situations. Let's get underneath. What are some of your triggers? What makes you feel good? What do you want to hear a lot of in the process? What do you never want to hear come out of someone's mouth? How can we best support? So I want to find all these things so that I can see I can, like, kind of solve problems before they even come up. And so that's sort of how I, like, think about it. But I know that we're in a place where a lot of women are going in and they're, like, really educated about what goes down, and they know their rights, and that's like, a great client to work with, because they are not backing down to anyone and they know what they want, and the doctors are compliant. When you're coming from a place, I think that's more educated versus, like, well, I don't want to do something, right? But it's more like, okay, well, what I read was, blah, blah, blah. They're like, okay, so then there's a discussion to be had, right? Because it's your experience, your baby, your process, your birth. So you want to feel in charge. And that's what I really want women to reclaim is like, take back your womb, you know, and, like, be in charge of this process because it's your baby, your memories, you know, like, that's what I want women to reclaim.

Yeah, I love that, too. And it feels very empowering, like a woman is the creator of her experience. She's not a victim to the doctor and to the hospital. She's in there of like, okay, no, this is what I want. And then when you stand in that power, like you're saying, then. Then you can actually have what you want rather than, oh, I had to do it because the doctor told me, you know, and being that victim mentality, it's such a just hearing you sharing is such an empowering place for a woman to really grow into herself and stand up for herself.

Right. That's key. Oh, great.

I love it. So, what do you think? So many questions that I want to ask you, as always. What do you think inhibits women the most emotionally, psychologically? I know you talked about fear to actually surrendering and opening up and being willing to be this wild, primal mama goddess in the birthing process. How do we open up to that and surrender to that process more?

Okay. I think it starts before you get pregnant, and I think certainly during the process can get there too. I think part of it is really connecting again to the parts of our bodies that are connected to our creative center. So a lot. There's a lot of shush, shush, shush, hush, hush, hush, whatever about, you know, your genitals and, like, your sacred anatomy is what I like to call it. I think that, you know, it's like, we don't even talk about it. It's like down there, like, this netherworld of parts where things happen. It's like, we gotta stop talking like that, first of all. And embracing that, this is a powerful point of connection with our partners and creation into the world. So knowing what you have, sort of like between your chest, on your chest and between your legs, like, you got to know what you have. So I think reclaiming your body parts and embracing your body parts, I think also looking at, like, where we have superficial neuroses about our physicality. So if you don't like your hips or you don't like your butt, or you don't like your butt, whatever it is you don't like, you got to just pull in the fold, like, bring it in, like, swaddle it up, swaddle it up and love that part of yourself. Because if you're not loving one little piece of yourself, that's showing up in other areas, right? So we have to, I think, embrace who we are, what we look like today. Right? You can aspire, but, like, embrace who you are today. And so we've got to start loving our body parts again. Another thing is with the. So that I think that helps us gain the confidence. But there's a piece about the wild that I think comes from also being able to open up and be receptive with your sensuality and your sexuality. And that is a training ground for fertility and for sort of a primal birth experience where you feel totally in your body. And so the more you can open up sexually, and I don't mean, like, being promiscuous I just mean more like be present in the process. Be present in those moments of being intimate with your partner is better. And if you're not having like amazing, mind blowing sex, you need to like get to that place. And so like, I don't mean you have to swap out your partner if they're not great or anything, but you need to like, learn your body so that you can engage with somebody else that you can teach. Because if they don't come already knowing what to do, it's not your fault. But it's your fault if you're having bad sex. So when people tell me like, I have a friend who I hope she doesn't listen to this, but I had a friend who she was telling me about, like, oh, and then this guy, and then it was so bad, and this guy, and it was so bad. And I was like, wait a minute, like every single person that you're saying, you're saying every single person you have sex with is bad, but every single person has the same thing in common and it's you. And she was like, well, what do you mean? I was like, I'm just saying that every single, like you chose like five partners that were all bad in bed. Like, you chose that. So either you really lucked or not lucked out, but either you really just chose five really, you know, terrible people in bed or you're the one who's not so great or not so great at like directing the energy. So if you want to be a conductor and you want to have the most amazing experience, you got to step into that role. Because I'm not saying you have to be total maestro in the Zone of okay, 101. Here's where this part is. But more just like, you have to know how to finesse, I think your body and that other person in the experience, you can't just sit there and show them like a school teacher, but you have to use your femininity to guide them. So it's not about like, men don't want to be shown or they don't want to be directed. They want to be, they want to have like an input to what it is that you need and then they will do it. Like, they don't need you to like show them the way, they just need to be guided to where the direction they should go and then they'll go that way. And so I think part of the problem is we don't even know what our assets are. Like, we don't even know what we have the power between your legs. People don't even know the extent to which they could be pleasured. And what actually happens in high level arousal and orgasm that's so important for women's experience. Like when I hear that women haven't had orgasms, I just like want to cry because that's like a gift. And it's a gift that you can give yourself. It's a gift that somebody else could give you, but it's a gift. And it actually is linked to so many. It's actually linked to so many. Like the, I think, what do you call it? Health. It's healthy for you, but it's linked to so many studies that talk about what improvements we see in health based upon women who are engaging in healthy sexual relationships. Right. And not just taking it out of the space of spirituality, like aligned with how you feel in spirit when you're engaged in a sensual relationship that might also include sex, whether that's with someone or with yourself. How are you feeling honored in that place? And then being able to open up and be receptive to the pleasure and receive and go to that climactic place, that's really good for you on so many levels that totally like just X out stress. Like the stress goes out the window so you can just relax. But also what happens is during things that come out of your control are like during orgasm, what happens is your uterus, which is a big power player in fertility and doctors, a lot of people have talked about like that it isn't really useful except for to house the baby. But it's not true. It's a big power player in fertility because it actually rocks back and forth during your orgasm. And what happens is that you'll feel these shutters right and pulsing right of the vulva. And what happens is there's almost like this sucking back like a straw that happens. And the fluid and the semen that's passing through the fluid's being sucked back like a straw. And your round ligaments are also poisonous, pulsing and pulling back on the uterus, which is tilting and rocking back and forth, making it a perfect training ground for fertility. So it's actually all acting to assist the sperm as they travel up. Now I mean, if that's not helpful, I don't know what is. That's super helpful. So they're not even swimming against the grain. They're like getting, they're like, you know, going with. It's like flying back east. After going out to LA and flying back east, you're like, wow, it's like A four hour flight. All of a sudden it was like almost seven hours to get out here, right. It's like the same thing, like in the current, right? So the body's working to pull it back. So if you can get to that place where you relax enough and you can experience that, and then that's going to mean that when you go to have your baby, there's the same. The same neural pathways are lit up during arousal as are during early labor and active labor. The same parts of your body obviously are active and stimulated. The same part of your brain, right. Is active and stimulated and energetically, it's the same thing. It's sort of like what created the baby is the same circumstances that lets the baby come down into the world. So like, if you think of the factors that are important to you to get in the mood, like we could just rattle off some of them. Like what's important for you to feel safe, to like have sex? Like, what do you need in your environment? And like, what do you need energy wise? Like what makes you feel safe?

I mean, I think the biggest thing for me is grounding in my body. Whether that's taking a bath or moving. Just getting out of my head is the biggest thing. Listening to music, taking a nap, anything that kind of brings me down.

Right. Okay. So cool. So those are big, right? Like low light, right? Because you're taking a nap or you know, a bath. I think about candles. You said something about, I don't know if you said scents or something, but like the bath and I think about like bath salts or like oils. Right? Like the smells have to be. Right. The music, like you said, sometimes the music, it's the same thing. Like that gets you in the mood. If you walked into a room and it was low lights and it was dark and it smelled good and the right music was on and you heard that familiar voice that makes you feel so sexy. You would be like starting to just. You'd have it already. Your guard would come down, right? Yeah. So if you went into a place that was like that and you were pregnant and you're about to have your baby, and the place felt like that you would feel safe because that feels familiar. That also takes you out of that, that, that. That high energy brain state. And it's like a more like, you know, slower brain patterning. Slower or sorry, slower brain waves. Like everything moving more like in this kind of sensual space, like the dreamland. It's like kind of the state that you're in when you're doodling or daydreaming like that kind of a mood. Right. Let me ask you this. If you were to go to. So let's look at, like, a hospital, not even say a hospital setting, but the opposite factors. So say, like, you know, bright lights, noises, sterile smells, like, you know, what do you call those? Like, linoleum floors? Like, you know, that kind of vibe. Like, would you. Concrete, like, brick walls and stuff? Like, would you want to have sex in a place that felt like that or looked like that or smelled like that?

No, definitely not.

Right. Right. So you wouldn't even want to have sex in a place like that. Right. It sounds like a. I don't even.

Want to be in a place like that.

You don't even want to be in a place.

Exactly.

Number one. Exactly. So that doesn't get you in the mood. So we, a lot of the times are choosing places to deliver our babies that are aligned with that second place. Right. So imagine it's time to birth your baby. You have to go to a place that's like that. Okay? So it's the same sort of. We want the same circumstances that it took to make the baby, to birth the baby. We want those same kind of. We want to set up the same scenario almost. So what I ask people to do, and this goes back to getting into your wild. I ask people to bring. If we're going to a hospital, sometimes we're going to a birth center. Sometimes it's at their home. But if we're going to the hospital, I try to delay that process to the latest point so that we can wait until her contractions are about four to five minutes apart. And that means we're in a really good state. State with active labor and that there's a nice rhythm. So we can go on to the hospital, she can get settled, and she won't have tons of time left before her baby comes. Now, I do that because I know she's comfortable at home. The smells are familiar. Her husband's there, her partner's there, and she can get into a rhythm. She can have the lights how she wants them. Nobody's asking her for her Social Security number. Nobody's asking her anything. Nobody's poking her. She doesn't have, like, no nurses walking in every two seconds. I get her in that state before, so labor is established, and then we switch. When we switch, I also ask them prior to the labor to pack things that make you feel familiar, things that remind you of home, things that make you feel safe. So that's like little scarves or little like keepsake items, if that's pictures from home or like a, your favorite sweater or like picture of your grandmother, whatever it is that's going to make you feel safe, like you know, flowers, whatever those things are. And then we bring like, you know, the fragrant things as well. And we bring some of those little non flame candles so that we could create a mood. It's all about a mood. Because you can really do anything with a space. It's all about what you bring into that space that will determine how people experience it. Right? So we could all get the same box and do something totally different with that box and have totally different outcomes with what people take away from that experience. So essentially we can create our home away from home in the hospital setting and create those feelings, generate those feelings, feelings of safety, of gratitude, of comfort and familiarity that will help you draw back into your primal self and be able to just download what's there for you and be in that experience. So we have to set the space up like that. So the things that make you feel most wild, I think, and most yourself, I think are what make you feel most yourself now, right? And the other things that are going to help you feel like, really get into your primal kind of like goddess place is to be really comfortable in your body and engaging in healthy sexual encounters during, before and during the pregnancy, during this pregnancy especially so that you can melt your body and get ready for the labor, obviously, or not obviously, but also prostaglandins, which are, you can find them in evening primrose oil. They help to ripen the cervix, right and get you really like nice and juicy and ready for labor. Now the cervix is like, if you can imagine a hard peach when it's ripe. It's like a soft peach. You know, you grab those peaches and you sink your fingers into them and they get bruised. That's how like a ripe cervix is. Okay? Now the cervix is the opening to the uterus and that's where the part of the body where the baby passes through into the birth canal, the sacred passageway. Now if you feel comfortable and you get later into the pregnancy, you can find prostaglandins in semen, right? So it's really amazing how nature set it all up. So actually engaging insects late in pregnancy, people get so scared to do it. It's totally fine. It's totally fine to do. As long as your, you know, your water hasn't broken yet. It's totally fine to do now, that also helps to ripen semen deposits against the cervix. Help to ripen the cervix also. Okay, so there's all these ways that nature built in for us to, like, have pleasure, to, you know, sort of, like, assist the process to make ourselves comfortable. We just have to, like, you know, feel like. We have to feel, like, allow ourselves to be in the process. Right. And not get caught up in all of the things that I think, you know, like, are really set up for us to be constantly judging ourselves and feeling bad. If we can just embrace that this is a gift. Even when we are uncomfortable. It's a lesson. There is a lesson in that, too, of patience and kindness to yourself. If we can allow ourselves to just get wild with our bodies and be, you know, comfortable in the fact that we're growing and expanding, our butt will never look that big and that juicy ever again probably. And neither will your. Your belly. So if you can just embrace that, because it's going to change. So just embrace it. The boobs, all of that, like, everything's, like, really, really nice, you know, and just, like, let it be and just be like. Because this is what it is for right now. Right. And just accept the. That's what that is. And allow yourself to really go there, you know, like, let your body be, like, just totally in the flow. That teaches you how to be in the flow between contractions or during the contractions as you hit these waves. It also teaches your mind how to relax. It teaches you breathing techniques. We go through all of the breathing techniques when you're entering arousal through orgasm and post orgasm, you go through all the reading techniques without even trying. Right. So it's a good training ground. So I just think that that's one of the really great ways that women can find that wildness is to go deep down to their root.

Yeah, that's so great. And then how does. How does a man support a woman in doing that? Kind of through the pregnancies of birth and everything.

Yeah. So with guys, I think, like, you know, a lot of them feel like they don't know what they could do or should do. They're a little bit on the fence because there's not a lot out there. Like, culturally, things have been positioned like we don't really need them, and it's not true. So men are into fixing things, and what they don't understand is in this process, there's nothing to fix. So when you're uncomfortable, say, during contractions and the waves are coming and you're like, you know, it's intense and there's nothing they can do. They start to feel like they're failing. So integrating them into the process early on so they know what's to happen, what's to be expected during the labor process, so that they know it's not a matter of trying to solve a problem as so much as a matter of being a constant presence of support. Saying like, that you're doing amazing. If your relationship is one where like there's a lot of jokes, like being able to keep that comic relief, being prepared, being able to learn the techniques that are helpful for making you comfortable. So learning hands on massage techniques or just giving a good foot rub, being able to draw a nice bath and doing these things that make you feel like, like a queen, but also just that are just, I mean, simple things that are going to make you feel more comfortable as you move along are also very key. But I think, you know, he needs to feel also that he's your rock, you know. So I think also speaking to him and saying like, what you need? And not telling him what to do, but saying like, here's what I need, like if you state what it is that you need, then he can go and do that thing for you. So I think like a lot of men feel like, yeah, like she wanted that. You know, I used to like this pickle. Not pickled. Yeah, it was like pickled cabbage with seaweed. And it was like this tofu sandwich that they had like all the way across town. And I would want that thing and be like, almost close the store. And I'm like, yeah, I want this sandwich. It's like nine o'. Clock. And he's like, okay, so there it is. Like I gave him something like a task for something that I needed. And he went out and he hunted and got it and brought it back and he felt good. Like I alleviated the craving or whatever that she had. Or, you know, I would have contractions that I felt along my lower back. And so I needed him to put counter pressure on either side of my sacrum for it to feel good. I was able to articulate that and then he just did it. So we just need to give them. We can't be mad at them that they don't know stuff. We have to teach them what it is that we need. But it's good to teach them while you're pregnant because on the day of your birth, if you're like, okay, no, hold it like this, no, push it like that, do this it's like you're frustrated because you're trying to teach somebody, and he's frustrated because he can't really understand what you need, and. And you're uncomfortable. So he's uncomfortable because he can't solve that. It's, like, not a good time to do that. The good time to do that is while you guys are learning together, like bringing in somebody, like, you know, like going to a class or bringing in somebody who's a massage therapist and saying, okay, we're trying to figure out some basic, you know, therapeutic touches that will make me feel good. And they can just show you an array of things. You can pay somebody, like, you know, 50 bucks or something to come into your home to show you guys a couple of things. You can go to, you know, yoga class together, and then there's prenatal for women, but then there's, like, yoga class that you guys can go to together. That's, like, maybe a gentler practice. And you guys can learn some breathing techniques that you could use together. You can spend more time where he's, like, holding your belly and sitting behind you, and you're feeling, you know, you know, the heartbeat of his heartbeat against your back. So you can feel safe. You know, you can develop this sort of sense of bonding before your baby gets there. There's all kinds of little things that you can do to kind of make him feel included. But I think also finding out what tasks are going to come postnatally that you know you're behind is not going to do, like, give them to him. So it's like, I know I won't be washing dishes, folding clothes and cooking, like, enlisting your support and then figuring out what he can do that he's going to feel good that he did also. So if he's like, okay, I'm totally all yours to cook, because he loves to cook, let him be in charge of that. Don't let anybody come from outside that will take that, because then it takes away from him, if that makes sense. Right. So figure out between you, like, well, what responsibilities do we have that are shared? I'm off duty, obviously, because I'm breastfeeding and sleeping and whatever and being visited. So what is it that you're going to be able to do and feel good about doing? And he's going to say, look, I don't want to cook. I just want to, you know, whatever. I'll go do the laundry. Or, you know what? I'm going to manage the influx of, like, our guests and stuff. And I'M going to have my mother come or this person, whatever, but figure out where he feels strongest. Because men really need to be, like, recognized in their potency. Like, they want to feel strong. And so we just got to make them feel secure and, like, we're not trying to overload and take over what they're doing with our stuff. Like, well, I want to come in and here's what, Let me take over that task. We need to just not micromanage them and let them be and just allow them to show up how they show up and allow yourself to be and relish in the fact that your baby's here or almost here. Right. So during the pregnancy, it's really great to, like, try it out and, like, give him a couple of tasks and see, like, how it works out for him to manage those things. Because you guys will be doing a lot of multitasking. Well, he will be doing a lot of multitasking when the baby comes. When the baby comes. I like to encourage the mom to do some unitasking. And what that means is you slow down. You do, like, one thing to completion at a time, like, one thing. Because we're so used to multitasking. So it's not like, it's not like a freaking competition to figure out whether or not you can do that. It's about you just doing one thing because you're already. Your body's trying to heal, the baby's nursing, you're trying to get some sleep, you're trying to eat. Like, those things are all, like, trying to happen simultaneously. So, like, let yourself focus on one thing outside of the chaos and let him do everything. He will feel so good, you know, he will feel so good based on that. Yeah.

That's so awesome. I love it. Empowering the men.

Yes, empowering the men. Yeah. Very cool.

And I love what you're saying too. Just, you know, we need to ask, and I think that's a big thing for us as women to be willing to ask for help and be willing to empower our man so that they can support us, you know, and it's.

A win win for everyone. Totally. And asking is not a sign of weakness. Like, requesting help does not show weakness. What shows weakness is failure to ask for help. And falling apart like that is a sign of weakness. But asking somebody to help you do something shows that you have a strong sense of. Of self and that it shows that you respect. That you respect yourself enough and love yourself enough to know that you can't do it alone and that you Also trust that the people that are around you can facilitate what you need done so that you've attracted the right people that can help you facilitate what needs to get done. So you have to trust in yourself that that's the truth. Because otherwise you're just in a vacuum and you're suffering. And that suffering is self imposed at that point because, you know, you really do have choice. And I think a lot of it is that people sort of pigeonhole themselves into these, like this abyss, like this vacuum where they only, it's like them and the baby and they feel like they have no support. It's not true. There's tons of people that probably want to help, but there's no entry point because they haven't been enlisted. And then they're, you know, you're being judged because the person hasn't really tried to integrate because they haven't asked. They just assume that you should know. And we can't operate from this point. And a lot of women do this even that aren't having babies. Like, well, they should know better. It's like, well, they should, but like nobody came around to say it. And so you have to stand up and be the person to stand up and say, you know what, this is not how it's done. This is how it's done. This is how I need you to do this. Is that cool? Because if so, then we can do this together. If not, that's fine, but you need to just be able to speak up. And that's part of us becoming mothers is that we're going to be defending our young. We need to speak up for ourselves. If you can't speak up for yourself, you cannot speak up for your baby. So you have to speak up. I mean, like, and that's in like the birthing process. That's when they're in school. Like, at some point you have to learn to speak up and you have to know how to do it for yourself first and firsthand so that you'll know even when it's appropriate to do it for your baby. Like, there's moments where you have to do that. And so, yeah, I think a lot of that is, you know, you get 40 weeks because not just for biological reasons, but just on a transformational level, we need time to prepare to become the women that we need to be, to be in the world as moms and to birth ourselves and emerge as these butterflies. We need time to do that. And so 40 weeks is a good time period because we can develop new eating patterns, new lifestyle practices, new contemplative practices, you know, new people in our circles. Like, we can develop all of that and reemerge. Evolved. Right. So that's why we have all the time, I think, too.

Yeah, absolutely. I love it. Awesome.

Awesome. Yay.

Thank you so much for all of your wisdom. Amazing. Beautiful.

Thank you.

Thank you. So where can people find out about you and Mama Glow and learn more about your work and your book and your film festivals and your events and everything that you've got going on?

Yes. So tomorrow, the website is mamaglow.com It's M A M A G L O W dot com. There you'll find information about most of the events. I think everything's there, what I have coming up and classes and workshops. There's a book bucket there where you can see a little bit about the book, which is also called Mama glow. It's due November 6th on Hay House. This fall, we also have the Mama Glow Salon series, which is a platform for discussion, cocktail, and panels around advocacy in the birth space and reproductive health and child health. And we have the Mamaglow Film Festival, which is our annual event that we do supporting films that also focus in this space, mostly in maternal advocacy. And we did it with Kristy Turlington and Seleta E. Banks last year. We have a really great lineup of new films that we're going to be putting together and screening, which we're excited about. But Those are the three, so mama glowfilmfest.com and mamaglowsalonseries.com and mamaglow.com so everything with me is in threes. So those are the three you can check out.

That's awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Thanks for sharing your goodness, and I really, really appreciate it.

I appreciate you, too, and I'm so excited for you. Yay. Yeah. I hope I can see your little bundle soon. Yeah. Your belly bundle. Yes, definitely. All right.

Thank you.

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