Radiant Beauty + Healthy Teeth & Gums with Nadine Artemis

Welcome to Mama Goddess. I'm your host, Alexandra J. Johnson. This podcast is all about rocking your goddess life, creating vibrant health and celebrating motherhood and family life. It's about living an authentically awesome life. Let's have. Hello and welcome. I'm Alexandra Jade Johnson, and today we have a gorgeous goddess, Nadine Artemis. She is the author of successful self dentistry, how to avoid the dentist without ignoring your teeth. She's also the creator of Living Libations, an exquisite line of serums, elixirs, and essential oils for those seeking the purest botanical health and beauty products on the planet. She's an innovative aroma college and develops immune enhancing formulas and medicinal blends for health and wellness. And her potent dental drops are used worldwide and provide the purest oral care available. Welcome, Nadine.

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here with you.

I'm so happy to be with you as well. And I'm such a fan of your products. I think I've been using a lot of your products for probably five years now.

Awesome.

I have, like, your oils and your lotions and your healthy gums and your tooth care kit, your tooth care book, baby oil. Poetic pits. I love your poetic pits. They're, like, so great. So I'm a big fan. I really appreciate it and I would love just. I'm just curious, like, how did your company, Living Libations, come into being? Like, what inspired you to start it?

Yeah, it's a deep question in a way. Not deep, but like, well, there's been a few evolutions. And I, you know, was experimenting with essential oils in high school. And then when I was 18, I started making all my own products. So. And I started a store when I was 22, and it was called Osmosis. And it was like, downtown Toronto in a really hip area. And so it was North America's first aromatherapy store. So that's what I focused on for about, like, seven years. And then due to some business partnership, business partnership stuff, we separated ways and I just sort of was retired for a couple years and I was retired from becoming. So I just wanted to give things a rest and think of the new evolution. But people would stop me on the street and they were like, oh, my God, I need the lip balm and the products. Where are you? So I started doing stuff again in small batches. And then I met my man Ron, and he was just like, let's do. Let's go. And there was such an alchemy in our union of not just our. Our love, but also of Our, you know, what we want to create. And so we started sort of that next phase, which is now what everybody knows as living libations. And that was 12 years ago.

Wow, that's amazing. I love. I love you and Ron, like, just watching you guys video, you guys have such, like, great energy. You're just fun and playful and, like, poet glowing, and you live in a magical paradise. I just love it.

We love living here, too. I just. I so need to be surrounded by nature all the time so that I'm like, that's okay. Everything's okay in the world. All I see is green and fresh water, you know, and then it helps me move forward through all those environmental issues that can stagger the mind.

So do you. I mean, do you find that that has nourished your creativity, Been vital for your creativity is being in nature.

Absolutely vital. I mean, I spent my childhood with just surrounded by nature. And then it felt like, you know, once I moved away from that at university and stuff, then it just felt like, how do I get back there? And so there'd be a lot of trips and planning and camping just to get submersed in nature. And even as Ron and I were looking for where we would live, I was just like, if it means we cannot camp, then that's fine. If, you know, if that just means one more weekend that we then get to search for our home. Because I was like, I need my bed in the middle of nature. So, yes, absolutely. Like, it just nourishes our souls every day. And we will be here till we are not here.

Wow. And do you have, like, a whole bunch of land?

Yeah. So we got land and springs and fresh lake water and forest and rocks and endless berries. And our little home in the middle of it all.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And you know, anybody listening and you're inspired by this, just go to their website, livinglibations.com and you'll just see the most majestic pictures. And you're like, take me there. That is beautiful. Thank you for sharing the inspiration. So what are essential oils? Like, I'm just curious, for those that aren't familiar with essential oils, like, what are they and why are they so powerful?

Yeah, I love essential oils, and I've been working with them seriously since I was, like, 18. And so it's been a long time. And to me, they're like the real backbone of the palette of everything that I create. And they're fascinating because they're so multifaceted. So of course they engage the sense of smell because they are the distillates of aromatic plant molecules. They're the pheromones of plants. They're like the lifeblood of the plant. And these special aromatic molecules can be distilled usually through steam distillation or like a cold pressing depending on the plant. And it's not every plant, but it's the aromatic plants can be the flowers, the barks, the resins, the berries, the beans, the leaves. It's all depending on which plant. And so they have just so engaging with these sort of intangible, mysterious smells. And they can, you know, affect us on a, on a mental, emotional and spiritual level. But on a physiological level they have such an amazing relationship with the body. And they're antifungal, antiviral, anti inflammatory, antibacterial. So they have these great medicinal properties combined with this magical smells. You get like, you know, one drop of rose contains like 60 rose heads, so you get such potency, you know. And there's a lot of like aromatherapy which is just in some cases just completely synthetic fragrances and some mass marketed shower gel. It's like lavender. So there's sort of that avenue which can make people sort of turned off of it because it's not real. But when you're dealing with authentic genuine organic distillations, then they're just the jewels of the plant kingdom. And of course I love flower essences and herbal tinctures but the essential oils are just so much more concentrated and then they have this awesome smell and each drop is so potent. So from there you can make just so many concoctions.

And what do you recommend? You know, because there's like so many different essential oils. Like how, what would you recommend for a woman who's interested in getting started in essential oils or experimenting? Like is there like certain ones that you would recommend or certain ways to use it to just see how it works with our body and how it affects us?

Yeah, and it's very important to get genuine distillations. And there's a lot of information out there and there's a lot of people, companies that claim, you know, it's so funny because sometimes when I come to just writing the copy or the descriptions on our website and I mean I've had this conundrum for a few decades but I'm like there's no words left because so so many of them have just been completely co opted by synthetic things. Or like we have the best or it's this or it's that. And then really when you get to the third party testing or you get into the lab, you can see that a lot of the people's essential oils are not genuine distillations. And when they're not genuine distillations, you could have synthetics in there. You could have, you know, the idea of what something's supposed to do in a book. But if it's not a genuine distillation, then it's not going to have that medicinal value and so on, so forth. So just make sure it's real and you can smell, smell the best and compare it to others. And your nose, even if you haven't smelled before, you can tell what's real. So we do, you know, we do a couple kits too that have like some, you know, different combinations for people that want to start and then you can just start playing with it. They're so easy to use and you're just using it by the drop. So generally what you can do is inhale right from the bottle on a tissue in a diffuser. And even those molecules, you're not just smelling them like they're actually once that that molecule goes in through your nose and in through your body, it's actually doing things on a physiological level. So even if you couldn't smell, the essential oil is still going to work. Wow. And then there's like bathing in it. You can add a couple drops to your bath and then there's applying to the skin either through, you know, mixing it with jojoba, virgin coconut oil and making concoctions. Or sometimes some essential oils are good when they're applied neat, which means undiluted to the skin. So like peppermint is so great to have on hand for a cut, a bug bite or anything small like that, even like a hangnail or a burn. And it, it's like almost applying like ice, it gives the cooling thing. It's anti hematoa, which means it's, it, it's helps the area not bruise. And so there's just, you know, that's just one oil, just so, so rich.

Wow, Amazing. So did you like get training in this or this is like all just you being curious and experimenting and just diving full in?

Yeah, I'm fully self directed learning and really where I learn is from the plants and it's been, you know, about 24 years of working with the essential oils. Wow.

So inspiring. You are definitely like the wild goddess. I love it. So I'd love to hear more on, you know, I know a lot of products and oils and things like that are natural beauty and just Kind of enhancing our natural beauty. What do you recommend for women to kind of have radiantly glowing skin? I mean we can talk about what we put on, we can talk about nutrition like wherever you think is the best avenue to go in on that subject.

Well, I like to think of it in terms of like easily beautiful. I like to think of things in terms of simplicity. And when I think about my body, to keep things simple, I think of the systems that I can activate or that are innate, have the innate intelligence to what is this like for the self organizing system of that of the body in general and then into the specifics. So anything that I'm going to engage with with my body would be to enhance that innate intelligence, to enhance that self organizing system. And then you're working with your body to course. Correct. And of I'm always working with botanicals on a topical level or nutrition in an internal level because that's usually what's going to activate the innate intelligence of the cells in the body. So a lot of what we can do for beauty and health is to also not do a lot of things as well. But I'm always going to be looking for the forces of nature to combine with the innate intelligence of my body.

I love that. Forces of nature and what the innate intelligence of your body.

So, you know, and we forget we are a force of nature as well. Yes. And then if we're going to apply or internalize something, then it should be from the force of nature as well. And there's really not a cell in our body that is crying out for petroleum or silicone products, which is what a lot of the commercial beauty industry is just chock full of in one dilution or variation. It all come like a lot of it comes from petroleum. There's about 50 beauty ingredients that come from that. Yeah. So there's like so many types of petroleum ingredients. And you have the marketing, the promise of the marketing of the ad is the exact opposite of the results that are the ingredients that are in the bottle and how our body and our skin has to compensate for those ingredients in the moment and over time. Right. Because a lot of the modern skincare regimes, what they create is they disrupt the acid mantle, the lipid barriers. And you know, we've got lots of issues surrounding, you know, chemical acne, dry skin over exfoliating, you know, laser ablation. So we're disturbing and disrupting the skin and pouring on pounds per year of synthetic chemicals. And really some of that could just be the root of the problem. You know, stop all that use some virgin coconut oil and you're way out of the game.

That's awesome.

Yeah, I know.

That's. Sometimes I feel like mine's like super simple. I use your oils and I just add coconut oil and whatever and it's like, that's it. And it's just easy.

Like.

Yeah, just easy. Much better. I've used, you know, I've used lots of. Not lots, but I had acne when I was in my early 20s and I would try, you know, what was it, proactive and all these things. And, you know, don't put any oil on your skin. And then all of a sudden I started putting oil on. It started glowing and I was like.

Okay, well, yeah, because you're not using petroleum oil too, right?

So what is, what are some of. Like, there's the petroleum. What are some of the biggest toxic things that you think women should, like, look out for and absolutely not use?

Yeah, hard to. Sometimes some of the names I don't even.

You know what I mean? If we can't pronounce them, we shouldn't put it on.

But. Well, petroleum would be like one of the main. Is like a mineral oil. Like, that's a petroleum thing. And there's just so many petroleum derived skincare ingredients. And then there's like the pegs, the polyethylene glycols, you know, the steroids, the. Basically all those big words you can't read. You should like. Because there could be the ones I named, but then there's like five others that I wouldn't have said, like just all those ingredients, like methylparabens. Methylparabens show up in. When they, when they examine breast tissue that has had cancer. And when they examine that tissue, 99% had parabens in them. And that's like in so many skincare ingredients. And you want to be using things that you use in your body and then they leave you. Because so many of the ingredients just disrupt the cells, their endocrine disruptors. So many things. I just did a talk at the Women's Health conference and I did it on. On Sustaining vaginal Health. And so we, you know, looked at so many different things, including the vaginal microbiome and then also at lubricants. And that's a really, really neat. Because a lot of the ingredients are the same. There's three types of lubricants. There's petroleum, petroleum glycerin, and like a silicone type and. Well, I've already talked about petroleum. And then, you know, things like dimethicone, minoxal 9, glycerol, monolaurate. I mean, those things have no place in the vagina and no place on our skin either. And then a water based lube sounds safe, but the main ingredient, glycerin, takes a lot of chemical processing to make, so it contains residual chemicals, but it's also, it's a sugar, so it feeds yeast and bacteria. Wow. And so it's what it does though is it creates like a temporary lubrication. You can get that with a lot of glycerin products because it's like a humectant. So you get this sort of temporary plumping up of the cells. But what happens in the long term is there's like sort of a long term drought. And what happens is the cells dehydrate and disorganize. And if you remember back to your high school chemistry class on osmosis, that is where our cells, they seek a state of equilibrium. And so synthetic ingredients, when we apply them to our skin, something happens called osmolarity, which means to maintain equal balance on both sides of the cell wall, the cells release their inner water to dilute the sugar and the glycerin and the synthetic substances outside the cell wall. And then this causes cellular and epithelial damage either to the mouth or the inside of the vagina. And so what one scientist reported was that when he looked at this under the microscope, the cells look like shriveled up raisins under the microscope. Wow. And that's, you know, that's what's happening to our vaginas and our skin, like every day. Every day. And then another interesting note on the whole lubricant thing is that, you know, they kill ky jelly kill three species of lactobacilli on contact. And if we got to remember, like, part of our immune system is our skin. And there's natural, like, hopefully you've got a good bacterial relationship going on with your skin because the microbiomes everywhere and then ky warming jelly increased herpes transmission. And then what they found out in another study is that all every single commercial lubricant created sperm. It affected the sperm's motility. So they're affecting fertility. Wow. They're slowing down the sperm.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

I mean, it's so nuts. There's so many things. Wow, that's amazing. And you have. Which I have. I forget what it's called though. You have a lubricant, right? What is it?

Yeah, we have Love Butter.

Love Butter.

Yeah.

It's like edible, right?

Totally.

Cinnamon, vanilla.

I mean, really, everything we make, you could eat it, right?

It's like, smells. I mean, it just like turns you on, just smelling it. You're like, whoa. That's what it should do, right? Not be some gooey, nasty, nasty.

You know, all these ingredients that are used in the military industrial complex, putting them on our skin and in our yonis. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Amazing that I didn't know that on the glycerin. So I'm wondering, because there's one I think that I do have, but I mostly use your love butter. And I don't. I have only used this a couple times, but it's like abracadabra or something. Does that have glycerin in it?

Do you have the bottle near you?

I don't. I'll have to check it. I know it's like made out of aloe. I know a lot of people, like, promoted in the health world.

Ish.

But I didn't know.

Well, one thing that's really interesting too, about aloe, and I have it on my website, we have a number of articles and one of them is called Deciphering cosmetic Ingredients or Cosmetic code, something like that. Anyway, I go into sort of these unexpected things that you could see on a label that, you know, it's not the classic like, like polyethylene glycol, but we're looking at some other things that seem really natural. But when you're looking at, like, you all a lot of the ingredients in, like the health food store, for example, things like when you see aloe vera juice or aloe vera badinas extract or like calendula extract. And it's not this thing. When you see aloe or calendula, for me, I know it's because we're infusing the calendula and jojoba or we're using the supercritical extract. So it's a pure, pure calendula. But generally when you're looking at all those other products, what you're finding is it said, like calendula extract or goji berry extract. And that's what we'll say in the label. But if you were like buying the raw material, there would actually be two to three other ingredients in there. And that doesn't have to be listed on the label. So you would find what's used to preserve that and it would be sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate and glycerin in all of those extracts, like a wheat extract or goji berry extract. Or the aloe extract, it has actually other preservatives in it that are not on the label because it's secondary. It's kind of like, you know, with. If you're buying normal food at the supermarket and you're buying like a can of soup and it has cheese in it, right? And then it just says cheese, and it wouldn't have, like, any of the food coloring or the different things that are in that particular cheese. Oh, wow.

Fascinating. We gotta be on it, huh? We gotta be on it.

Well, yeah. And I mean, these are just. Yeah. It's so hard. You think you're on it. You think, okay, I'm reading the label. But these are the hidden things, right?

Wow. So it's so fascinating. I mean, you just kind of like, start opening it up and you change, you know, your diet, you change your skin care just like a whole world. Or maybe you grew up this way. I know I didn't. I've had to, like, uncover all of it. Like, oh, my gosh. What?

Yeah, yeah. I grew up pretty normal.

And I was like, on macaroni and cheese and all of those foods.

And so, yeah. Why I brought the aloe is because if you. You mentioned it was in the. In that loop. So. So as we speak, I'm gonna look up the ingredients because there's always the highlight, right? Like, it's like it has this and this, and then you have to try and find what's everything else in it. And the game, you know, for certified organic products, again, for skin care, it only has to be 70 organic. And then you can, you know, you can use things like methylparabens and other preservatives. And, you know, I mean, it bleach, the oils and different raw materials can be bleached, deodorized, winterized. So, you know, it's. It's really interesting. Like, I think certified organic food, you're kind of just dealing with one item. Like, you know, here's your certified organic beans or like green beans, and they were blueberries and they were grown that way.

Right.

And hopefully those standards maintain. But when you're looking at like a melage of ingredients in a skincare, then there's a lot of. Of different rules. It's not. Not quite as straightforward as food.

Right. And you were also saying, I'm curious because you were saying, you know, that our shell, our cells are kind of shriveling up. Is that, like, the cause of wrinkles? Like, what's. What is your kind of thought on wrinkles? What do we do about wrinkles. What's like, especially premature aging, you know, things like that for women.

I just also finished with that aloe cadabra, just because I'm looking up. So it has citric acid, which is vitamin C. Not too bad, but it's probably made from GMO corn.

Really?

Yep.

Whoa. Citric acid is made of gmo. Like, anything that has citrus acid is. Probably has GMO in it.

Probably. Yeah. And then vitamin E oil, a synthetic, usually, and quite a melange of ingredients. And really, it's. It's like an isolate. So when you like, jojoba is really high in vitamin E, so that could, you know, like. So I always find it as a separate ingredient, is usually kind of clouded with different things. And then there's potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate. And sodium benzoate, once combined with vitamin C. So even if you're taking a lot of vitamin C, that causes benzene in the body, which is a known carcinogen, which I talk about in that.

Article as well in the cosmetic code.

Yeah. And then it's saying flavors, and they have organic stevia and stuff, but it says flavors also include organic flavors. And organic stevia. Organic stevia is fine, but organic flavors. There's usually ingredients in there that are not like. That's a. Some again, it's a grouping, like a group. You know what I mean? It's not like one ingredient. And there's probably some cloudy things in there.

All right, that is good to know. I'm gonna be throwing that stuff away. Sorry, sorry. Aloe only love butter.

For me.

It tastes the love. Butter smells much better anyways.

Yeah. Okay, so back to wrinkles. The major, major, major cause of wrinkles, I think are kind of two things. I was going to call it glycerin. That's not like losing the word in my head. It's like in my brain, not coming to my tongue. Glycation. Glycation. That's the word. So glycation. And then polyunsaturated fatty acids. So let's look at polyunsaturated fatty acids, I.e. mazola, corn, soy, all the oils used in the processed food industry. So whether you have the bottle at home and you're cooking with it, that's one thing. And then there's like, all processed foods would have some degree in that of polyunsaturated fatty acids. And when there was experiment done with mice fed a diet of 20% polyunsaturated fatty acids, they developed tumors and different skin issues. And really, if you let's just say you're total eating standard, standard American diet. You probably are consuming 20% polyunsaturated fatty acids. Right.

And that is, that's in like the safflower oil, the canola oil.

Yeah.

The vegetable oils.

Yeah. Your hydro hydrogenated X, Y and Z. You know that would be in the Twinkie in the cracker.

Yeah.

And these are just rancid bleach deodorized and they're vegetable oils, which, I mean it doesn't sound too bad because it's a vegetable. But you know, our body wasn't meant to eat vegetable oils like that at all. So you want to stick to the like olive oil which comes from fruit and virgin coconut oil. And if you're eating animal things, and that would be your grassed 100% grass finished butter. So cow is out grazing the eggs the same way from pastured chickens. And that then we get all the good fats because then you've got a relationship where the sun is making the grass and all those things. And then the animal, the chicken are able to convert that into vitamin K2. And then the result in that dairy is really rich in K2. And when we don't have K2, other studies show that that also creates wrinkles. And so we also, we have a lot of people taking D3 now as a supplement. But you've got to partner that with K2 and then that's what's going to usher the minerals into the bones. And if we don't take our fat soluble vitamins, then the minerals go into the soft tissue instead of the bones. And then that, you know, that can do some damage down the road. What they also found I think was the Los Angeles Institute or Foundation for Plastic Surgery, they did a survey of a thousand women and what they found was that those that ate diets high in polyunsaturated fatty acids is that they were looking about 20 years younger than they should and they were just aging the most. And then also those oils are, can be responsible for creating hyperpigmentation and age spots in the skin as well.

Wow. And it's interesting because the, you know, I even going to like healthy organic restaurants or vegan restaurants or you know, Whole Foods, I'm a big Whole Foods fan. But you look at all of, you know, like their salad dressings, like all of that is canola or saffron.

Canola is evil.

And it's in like, I mean, you know, you think you're getting a good soup and you're like, wait a Minute I have canola oil. Like, it's. It's like sneaky. You know, you have.

That's.

I mean, I pretty much make all of our food now, but yeah, it's like, you know, you think, oh, I'm going to this healthy place. But then you're loaded up on the oils, right?

Yeah. And that's the fat. The fats are really sort of the most. They're so important for the diet, but it's gotta be the good fats, you know, avocados. So you've gotta have fats. And then sort of how we've been on this trend for the past three decades of, like, low fat and high carb that would also damage the skin. And that brings us to glycation. So glycations, when we have, you know, high blood sugar levels and our insulin gets out of whack. And again, that's just on a subtle level. I'm not even going into, like, a diabetic, hypoglycemic realm. I'm just talking that the daily assault we have on our blood sugar levels because we're sort of functioning more from glucose, where we could be functioning more off of fats for fuel instead of sugar for fuel. And then we're getting our body to work from ketones. And that is a really efficient way not only to. To stay, like, you know, have a lovely figure if you so choose. It just brings the body the, you know, blood sugar to a normal level. But when we spike the blood sugar all day, this causes cellular damage and, you know, and inflammation and so on. So I really feel like if you can bring your blood sugar down to like, too, then, you know, you're laughing. And that's like a key for any health issue because it's. Once the blood sugar is raised, you know, and then that's the beginning of a cascade of inflammation, I think, you know, most diseases you could find, even though they're all different manifestations, what you're finding is this. Pretty much every disease has in it a high blood sugar level. And, you know, the insulin's out of whack. So with the high blood sugar, it's like high blood sugar and inflammation is sort of the beginning of a lot of imbalance in the body.

Yeah, that's. I love that. And I think when you talk about the blood sugar too, it's like, we're not having. I mean, it's. You're not eating, like, pure sugar. It's like having too many dates or having too much fruit. Like, it's not that hard to get.

Above 82 or two pieces of Ezekiel sprouted whole wheat bread, has more sugar than a tablespoon. So this high carb thing has spiked our blood sugars because carbs have so much sugar in them, right?

Yeah. It's so weird, you know, like, you think you're eating healthy. You know, I've been on this nutrition journey for a while. You know, I was vegan for a while, and raw vegan and just kind of experimenting with so many different things, but you think you're doing the right thing, but then you look at it, you're like, wait a minute. I just had somebody look at my blood sugar a couple years ago, and he's like, no, this is. You need to, like, tone down on your sugar. I'm like, I don't do sugar. And he's like, grains, like.

Like fruit, all that.

And I was like, oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah, totally. And when. Oh, yeah, when I was 18, like, it was like, I did. I became organic. I never ate processed food again. And I did. I was vegan at that time. And, of course, it sounded right. You're like, I'm not eating any cholesterol. And. And it was so good until we really understood how. How that story got created and just the full myth around cholesterol.

Yeah, the cholesterol was fascinating. My cholesterol, like, probably five years ago was 99.

Wow.

And, you know, we. The people that we were working with was like, that's great. You're like, heart attack. You know, you're never gonna have a heart attack. And so I was like, oh, great. I'm doing great. And then I learned into it. I'm like, oh, my God, that is not good. So now my cholesterol is, like, 165 or something. But it's the, you know, like, doing the fat, like, just. I totally changed my diet. Exactly. To what you said. Said from the sugars to the fat. And it's crazy how much fat you can eat, right?

Yeah. It's so fun. It's so yummy. And one of the. One of my dental heroes, Dr. Hal Huggins, he said once. He's like, cholesterol is the mother of all the sex hormones. I was like, you know, because you can get that really depleted phase, but you need it to feed and create all those juicy hormones in your body.

And. Okay, so let's say that you. Because my sex drive was low, obviously, 99. So you, like, once you start kind of getting it back, like, if women are feeling that and their cholesterol is low. Like does it, you know, once you kind of get your cholesterol back, do they, does those, do you start feeling more sexy and more of your sex drive and whatever?

Yeah, I would imagine. Unless there's other things creating imbalance, like maybe really high cortisol levels or thyroid. I mean there's, it's like you can isolate the hormones and then there's just this whole orchestration where they work together.

Right?

Yeah. So sort of hard to say, but that, you know, you definitely need more, more fat.

So you're saying avocado, olive oil, what other in grass fed butter. What other oils do you recommend or fats?

Butter. Yeah, Butter, eggs, olive oil, avocado, coconut, you know, that'll do it. Yeah, that'll do.

Yep. And you're a fan of oils like coconut oil and olive oil?

Oh, I love, yeah, I love coconut and olive oil. And then you know, if you're eating meat then the, like the broths and then the fat from those things that's very nourishing as well.

So do you like recommend like western price type of.

Yeah, well really, when I was really going deeply into my dental research, that's when I realized like we so need like we, we're now in a day and age where we can supplement. Right. So there's a bit of freedom that way. But then you would have like there's really pitfalls with each diet. So let's say vegetarian I'd see a pitfall there is that you could go too much into like, you know, oatmeal for breakfast, lentils for lunch and rice for dinner. So you'd be very grain based. And one of the issues with the beans and the rice is that they're very high in phytic acid. And phytic acid is an anti nutrient. So it actually takes away from what we've got going on in the body. So if you are to go into grains and beans, then what you really want to make sure that you're soaking and fermenting because phytic acid is a big issue and that can be a major cause of cavities. Then if you're solely in a vegan diet. And I so get like, I mean I was vegan for so long, I so get like the, all the ethical issues and all that and. But you know, when I became vegan too, I hadn't like, I didn't know there was an option to, to not factory farm meat. You know what I mean? I never, and I never participate in that. And we're so hardcore about like it's wild game. You know, it's 100 grass finished and these, these things, I would never just casually eat meat or eggs or anything like that. They have to, the sources have to be so pristine. But I'm really pristine about any source of anything that I'm putting on or in my body. So with the vegan thing, you know, there's the B12 issue and there's the K2 issue and unless you're getting a lot of sunshine, there could be a D3 issue or a vitamin A issue. So what's lacking in the vegan diet are the fat soluble vitamins. And so over time we can lose our reserve on those fats and that can be, create some imbalance in the brain, myelin sheath, different things. So with vegan you definitely need to be supplementing. And then also, you know, again, nuts, I forgot nuts are also high in the phytic acids. You've got legumes, grains and nuts all being high with that. And so with a raw vegan diet, you know, it could, you could be too nut focused because of course you're wanting to get some more fuel and fat. So you got to keep up the fats. And then with just a normal diet or a paleo diet, where you could have pitfalls is just eating just meat, right?

Just bacon. Bacon for bacon dinner.

Yeah. And not really like you've, you know, just doing factory farmed. And I mean it's so different when like, like because cows, you know, they can't eat, they're not supposed to eat grains and it's a horror story that they're fed grains and corn. And so when you, when the cow eats that, then their fat is completely different. And so then you're not eating, you know, the right fat and the right meat. So you're eating like a grain fat and then you're probably, I haven't looked into it, but there could be phytic acid issues as well. Plus, you know, we're growing, we're eating like generally speaking, what's happening right now is we're eating foods that have been grown in the shadows of factory farming and pesticides. So when we spray pesticides, we're creating a different photosynthesis with that plant's relationship with the sun. And besides the, you know, besides the horror of the pesticide, we've got issues with just that plant not thriving and not creating all the, the phytonutrients that it could. And gosh, we could talk about pesticides for like a few days and then everything's factory farmed so we have, where we know that we have a D3 deficiency sort of as a nation and a worldwide deficiency from not getting enough vitamin from the sun, vitamin D3, which actually isn't really a vitamin, it's a precursor hormone. Then we've got all these factory farmed animals. And so where I think we know we have a D3 deficiency, we're going to find out we have a K2 deficiency because maybe you're eating cheese and eggs and, but better. But if it's factory farmed, you're not getting any K2 at all because it must come from the grass that has grown in the sunshine.

Interesting, Very interesting. And the vegans don't get that because they're not eating those things, right?

Yeah, because it's got to come from, from that. Like a vegetarian would, like a lacto oval vegetarian would get that if they're eating from the grass fed. But I mean you can supplement with a fermented soy and you can get it. So all supplements are generally made from the natto. Oh yeah, you can take your D3. But then that brings us to the sun and you know, I, I think, we think, okay, well we'll take our D3 and then we'll wear sunscreen and everything's going to be fine. But you know, there's like, well now there's like two over 2,500 studies that show that we need our D3 and that reduces our chances of cancer. But what happens is when we like our skin was designed to be exposed to the sun's rays and when we get exposed to the sun's rays, our, you know, little pores and cells open up, they dilate to receive those sun's rays. And what we're creating is a D3 that's water soluble and whereas when we take the supplement, it's a fat soluble. So what we create with the sun is this other D3 and it creates a really enriching cholesterol sulfate that's essential for the body, for the myelin sheath. And we have thousands of vitamin D receptors all over our body, including places where the sun doesn't shine, like inside the intestines and everything. And if those vitamin D receptors are not filled with sunshine or you know, your D3 supplement, but you kind of need a combination of both. Like I know in the winter I would start taking a D3, but I'm going to, to, you know, work on being in the sun for just, you know, any day, any day that's Sunny for like 20 minutes a day. Right from the spring on until November up here in Canada. And then we become like solar batteries. And we do, we do store that energy and that can take us through hopefully, you know, to the spring. But interesting too, statistically going to the doctor and the dentist in like March, you get more diagnosis of cancer and catch. Because people are very depleted in vitamin D3 at that time. And vitamin D3 is essential to our bones. And we still have diseases of darkness. We still have things, we still have children that are growing up deformed because they have rickets. We still have arthritis and dowager humps and cavities. We have all these things that are related to a D3 deficiency. And then we're also in the 19. In the 1902, the, the Nobel Prize was awarded to Dr. Feinson for curing tuberculosis with sunlight. And what happened there was millions of people at the turn of the century dying of tuberculosis. It was pretty heavy duty. And this because people were moving from the rural to the city and they weren't, you know, being exposed to the outdoors as much. There was the beginning of the industrialization, so people weren't getting the same amount of sunlight. And so then he was able to cure it. And then in the 1920s, Dr. Auguste Rollier had these clinics in Switzerland, in Lays Anne, Switzerland. And you can look for images of this on the Internet. And it's so fascinating to see. It's like a hospital type setting, but with huge verandas and decks where all the beds are. Wow. And they were curing all kinds of disease and tuberculosis. And people go there for quite a while. And you see even in the winter, children wearing these sorts of, of just diapers and their body, and they're even out in the snow and their bodies are exposed and they're getting tanned and it looks really awesome. And so what we know now, 100 years later is if we don't fill up the vitamin D receptors, then bacterial ligands come in and they're kind of like if a burglar was going to come into a building to rob it, but all they had to do was like turn off the main alarm, alarm switch and then they were home free. And so if those bacterial lignans come into our vitamin D receptors, they down shut, shut down our immune system. And then what we're finding is, you know, then disease gets created from Epstein Barr to tuberculosis. And so if our vitamin D receptors aren't filled, then we're giving a space to have these other bacteria come in. And we all know that, like if we put even Clothing out in the sun and different things it creates, it's antibacterial, it's antifungal. And so we can work with, with the sun in the right way where it's, you know, enhancing our health and vitality. And I have articles, a few articles on the website about that, about ways to, to interact wisely with the sun. And when we're eating a healthy, healthy diet with rich in pigments and natural foods and no polyunsaturated fatty acids, then also our relationship to the sun is so beneficial because what we're also not looking at is like we're, when you're engaged with the sun's rays, that's like a two takes two to tango. That's like a two way street, right? It's not the sun just doing things to us. So you know, are you putting your body, your mazola corn filled body or are you working with like coconut oil and laying out and eating all your rich food pigments and stuff like that? So that's where you see. And then in 1922 there was, I mean there was sun. Sun was really in vogue back then. And even mad at mademoiselle Coco Chanel was like, you know, no outfit is complete without a good tan. And there was different people writing about it. And another doctor wrote too, I don't have the exact quote, but he was just like, you know, it's, it eases wrinkles, it brings, it clears up acne and it makes the softest skin ever. And he was talking about being in the sun. And it's so much easier for our body. Even if we go overboard and get a sunburn. Your body, your DNA can deal with that sunbathe sunburn way more efficiently, way more healthily than it can than being in the sun with some kind of sunblock on. Wow.

So then would you recommend like 20 to 30 minutes or should we just like be like naked outside, just cruising?

Yeah, well, it all depends. Like everybody's got different skin and different sun exposure. So because I've been tanning since the spring, I can be out now for hours and, and there's no, no issue. But so for some reason, like for some people, like like at that clinic in Lays End, they would start with just like, you know, the ankles for like five minutes a day for like a week. And then they'd move up to the calves and they were working on a month long project because so many of us, I mean, we're really depleted. And then there's the issue too. If you're Taking the supplement, you've got leaky guts or different things, you may not be absorbed. Curbing that. Right. You know, and the statistics are amazing. Like a 50 reduction in the risk of breast cancer if you have healthy vitamin D levels.

And what do you recommend for healthy.

Like, you know, I don't actually know the exact. Like, that's easily googled.

Like 50 or something.

I mean. Yeah, I can't remember some people. Exact measurement.

50 to 80, I think. Yeah.

I think it's somewhere around that. It could be even higher. Like 65 to 80. Right. But that's easy to find. There's even an app for like, it's called D Minder. And you can put in your longitude, latitude, time of year, and then it'll tell you how many minutes and how many IUs of vitamin D that you're getting.

Oh, wow, that is fancy.

Yeah. When we use sunblock, we're. We're. We're separating UVB and uva and that becomes a danger too. It's like being in front of a window all day, which is. May feel lovely, but you're separating the UVA and the uvb. And when we just get uva, that's. There can be issues with that. They need to be together. And so the, the sun blocks do that. And it's also the UVB that's giving you the vitamin D.

So then do you reckon, I mean, like, the same for kids, right? Like, did you ever get sunscreen? I mean, I know you have some. Some. What is it?

What do you have? Some.

You have some sun?

Yeah, we have Everybody Loves the Sunshine, which is a mix of different plants, plant extracts that really harmonize our skin with the sun. So for some people, like, an SPF can is only regulated to 100 synthetic ingredients. So coconut kind of has an FPF of what we would imagine to be about an 8 or 9. But you can't actually say that because SPF is literally just for synthetics. Really. Yes. Yeah. And so this, this oil can harmonize your time, the sun. It can be good if you had a burn, it's good after. I mean, you can even use it to wash your face. It's good. So that's like an extender, it's a harmonizer. And then we have Everybody Loves the Sunshine with zinc. And zinc is reflective, so it reflects the sun's rays. And we use it at about 18% in our formulas. And. And then that makes it just, you know, like a sun block. And that's just for, like, if you're. If you're in the sun like all day, like surfing and you would need to protect your nose or your shoulders, that kind of thing. So I've never used even that on Leaf except in Hawaii, like once we, we would just put it on Leaf's nose.

Right? So then that's amazing. I love that because, you know, there's, I have my 2 year old, I've never put him on. And I, I. People tell me all, not all the time. I've had probably five sweet women who have said, yeah, put a hat on that kid. Is he wearing sunscreen? I'm like, no, he's fine. The sun's good for him. And they're like, no, it's not. I'm like, no, I think he's going to be okay. But there's like this idea that you have to put sunscreen on kids and you have to put it on yourself that, you know.

Oh, yeah, well, we've been told, like just, you know, you need sunscreen if you're walking from your car to the part to the mall. Right? Totally. Like protect the sun. So evil. So what about, we got. No, it's making everything on the earth grow, right? Fruit are ripening, flowers are blooming. Blooming. I mean, from this star that's thousands of light years away. A flower is blossoming. It's crazy.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's beautiful. I mean, why would it not help us bloom and blossom?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, see, obviously you don't recommend the.

Face, like first tanning.

Well, yeah, I mean, no, I'm saying like. Oh, you're not saying to cover your face or do you say no?

I mean, I say, I say that if you're feeling, if you're feeling like experimental about being in the sun or you're worried you've, there's, there's just like, you know, you've got your back, your bum. You could do your whole body. Like, if you're feeling awkward about your face, then just put a hat on and work on the rest. You certainly don't need to. You'll have enough coverage. Like, you like to get the vitamin D without your face, right?

And do you think, what about your face? Because there's the idea of wrinkles for your face. And what if you do already have some like pigmentation issues or you have scars or something like that? Can it make it worse or.

Well, yeah, I do tan my face and I don't think it's contributing to anything. But if I, if I had hyperpigmentation, you would definitely want to do like a Touch of zinc on that one spot because, you know, that can exacerbate it because, like, the. You can heal the damage, but the damage is sort of done. And so that area is a little bit more tender. I have an article on our website, too, about. It's called seeing spots, and it's all about hyperpigmentation and how it comes up. And definitely you've got polyunsaturated fatty acids as a huge issue, and then hormonal balance, and then the birth control pill is huge contributing factors. So again, it's not really the sun, but it's. It's what you've offered to that son. It's like, you know, a birth control body with mazola oil.

Right, Right. So the sun is essentially just baking the chemicals in our skin. Right?

Yeah. Or then again, the, you know, different. Different studies have been done too, and the use of sunscreen makes, you know, has created more moles and freckles in people. And there's like, many studies on the sun. Like, you know, in the Lancet, there was one where it showed that indoor workers and their exposure to fluorescent light actually causing more melanoma and that people that enjoyed the sun recreationally had a 25 to 40% less chance of getting melanoma. And then also statistically, people that work, I mean, that live near the equator have a less chance of getting melanoma. And melanoma usually develops in areas of the body that are actually never exposed to the sun. And then there's a great. If anybody's really into it, it's a big book, but it's called Myth on Myth. Don't quote me exactly, but it's the title, something like Myth on Myth, the Epidemic of Sun and Melanoma. And that's by Dr. Ackerman, and he was a dermatop. Derma. It's better, it's more scientific than a dermatologist, dermatopathology, where they study the disease of the skin. And he was all about being in the sun, and he really didn't feel that the sun caused melanoma. And melanoma is very serious and can be lethal. But I think we have to look. Look at some other avenues use.

Right. And do you. You just said something also about the. The freckles and the moles. Is the freckles and the moles. Like, is that not a natural. Like, do some people just get more freckles and moles? Or is it toxins in the body? And is it. What's your thought on that again?

Yeah, I Think that's the, you know, all these things that we're concocting in our bodies, which is the use of the polyunsaturated fat acid combined with sunscreen and hormonal imbalance caused by the pill. These can all contribute attribute.

Because kids aren't born with moles and freckles, are they?

Some are, yeah. And they're not. I'm not saying freckle and moles are bad. I'm just saying it's not necessarily the sun.

Right.

Yeah.

I'm just curious. I just was thinking about it because I have some moles and what? And I just know people have freckles. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. It just was.

Yeah, not all moles are bad, I think. Yeah, I was definitely born with a few. Or they've seemed to be around for a long time.

Very interesting. Okay, so beauty marks. That's awesome. Beauty marks.

I like it.

So what I know that, you know, you have holistic dental care for teeth, and I just love your approach. Can you just share? Yeah, I mean, I feel like your approach is, like, revolutionary. You kind of take the typical toothpaste out and you just do things differently. So can you just tell. Tell us, you know, how you developed your protocol and what it is and why it's beneficial to have healthy teeth and gums?

Well, by the time I was about 22, I'd sort of really, you know, gone into everything, all these other healing modalities and stuff for the body and everything. But one area I felt lacking was the dental, the whole dental thing. And even though I was at a holistic dentist when I was 22, I was still like, ah, seems pretty regular around here, but. And I had sort of neglected my teeth for a while because I didn't have, like, teeth insurance and I wasn't under the care of my parents anymore, and I was just an entrepreneur. But I went eventually and luckily I had a really good dental hygienist. And there was the beginning of a cavity. And she was like, well, just go home and work with all those botanicals and everything you do, and then we'll take an X ray six months later and it could clear up. And that's how I formulated the healthy gumdrops, which is a blend of antifungal, antiviral, and antibacterial essential oils that also helps us rejuvenate the gum tissue. And. And so I applied it and I made it. And then, yeah, I went back and there was no cavity there. So that was really awesome. And Sort of the first. I mean, we just grow up thinking our teeth are like these fixed things coming out of our jaw, you know what I mean? Like that's. They're done, finished, but they're really alive. They're bones. And so there's a blood flow to them. There's actually a dentine Olympus is system. And so we are depending on how we're eating or, or brushing, we are mineralizing, remineralizing our teeth all day long. Hopefully that's what we're doing. And so. Oh, there's so much with the teeth. What, what went on from the 1940s onward is sort of this acidogenic theory of the teeth. That's how cavities are, and that's from acid sitting on the teeth like sugar and let's say Coca Cola. But before that time, there was a couple of different views and that the teeth were systemically connected to the rest of the body and that there might be some other things going on, but that sort of became squashed. And then this other. They actually had a meeting, which I can't remember the meeting name, but it's sort of like the International Dental association, but don't quote me on that. But anyway, there was a meeting and it was decided. And then that was put forth in all the schools and everything like that. So that started us on this acid agenda organic path. And that's really where we are today, right? Like, don't eat the lollipop. I mean, don't eat the lollipop. But it's not.

Right, Right.

But it's not what we're not. What we're really missing out on is really understanding our teeth. And so I was so thankful to come across Dr. Hal Huggins work and where he meets this dentist, Dr. Ralph Steinman. And basically, Dr. Ralph Steinman undoes everything thing that, that Dr. Huggins had learned in dental school. And so Dr. Steinman was like, I think this is like the 1950s. And he was always suspect that there would be something more systemic with the body. And he was looking into dental texts from the 1800s that had proposed that maybe there's a dentine lymph system. And he even had asthma so intensely that for three months every summer, he couldn't even, even practice dentistry. So he read at that time that if you cut out like breads and dairy that he could maybe cure his asthma. And he did. And so that made him really go, okay, this whole, you know, there's a lot more going on to this medical dental industry. And then he stopped practicing and then really went into research for 40 years. And what he. And he really wanted to see if there was a dentin lymph system. And so by working with rats, because that's what they do, and that's because their teeth apparently are like ours. But he worked with a. An X ray dye. And so if he injected it into the stomach of the rat, it would show up in the teeth an hour later. And so he was actually seeing the dentin lymph. Like, long story short, he was able to see the dentinial lymph flow. And then what was. Oh, so you know what, Sorry. That stomach to the teeth took six minutes. What took an hour was for the. For that color, the fluid to go from the middle of the tooth, known as the dentine, that's the inside inner core to the enamel. That took an hour, but from the stomach to the tooth took six minutes. And so, you know, through thousands of experiments and everything, he was able to see this happen and put it in paper. But then he wanted to know, well, what's the instigator of this system? So he worked with oncologist Dr. John Leonora Aura, and they were able to see that the endocrine system is what propels this. And by chewing nutrition, food, nutritionist, food and substrates. And that chewing, it goes into the parotid gland, which is. These are the two glands that are like at the TMJ joint just behind there and by the front of the air. And then that signals to the hypothalamus, and then this hypothalamus signals to the rest of the body, and you get this literally a dent, dentineal fluid. They call it the dft, dentinial fluid transportation system. And so when we have all those, the blood vessels and in the pulp chamber, you know, there's like all the roots, right? Like the roots of a tree. And so what we should really think about is it's not the stuff sitting on our teeth, but how we feed. Our teeth are like, literally like tree. Like tree roots. So we get the roots, bring up nutrients from inside the body, and then they come up into the dentin and then. And then they work their way out of these microscopic holes in the enamel where the fluid coalesces with our saliva to feed the teeth, to feed the mouth. And so it's this upward spiraling force that makes it move much like SAP in a tree. And if there's a wound on the bark, then the SAP comes to repair and heal. And so if there's a beginning of an off balance of a cavity in the mouth. Then this fluid will come coalesce with that area and start to coat it. And this is all microscopic. So when we eat, when we have spikes in our blood sugar, when we eat food that is not nutritious and lacking minerals, what happens to this dft, this fluid, is that it reverses, it literally reverses. And then our, our mouths, our teeth become like straws. So we're no longer sucking up like trees, they come like straws. And then we suck in from the mouth. And then the mouth is this really warm, humid environment and there's a lot going on and there's always some kind of, you know, good bacteria, bad bacteria, fungal balance. But we're drawing that into the teeth and that's how cavities form. Wow. So then you bring in the work of Dr. Weston Price and the need for fat soluble vitamins and minerals. And then you see, really, why, because it's in charge of the dentinial lymph system. So we need the nutrients to activate that. And when we're using chemicals and we're not eating any minerals at all, then we're getting cavities. And he would see experiments with like using manganese, magnesium, phosphorus, all these things would, would drop cavity levels by up to 80%. And now we're just assaulting our mouths with abrasive chemicals and cleansers. Like basically things we could scrub a counter with, you know, sodium lauryl sulfate, triclosan, fluoride, you know, and fluoride, really simply put, what it does is it softens bones and stiffens tissue, which is not what we want. Yeah, that's, you know, that's aging right there. Brittle bones and stiff skin.

Wow, that's amazing. It's so fascinating.

I mean, and so then it goes back to the beginning of our conversation was like, which is about activating the innate intelligence our body and looking for the self regulating system. So of course, of course we were designed to not necessarily have a toothbrush in hand. Right, right. Because really on one level, if you've got that activated, besides scrubbing off some plaque, you really should, shouldn't have to brush your teeth. But we're so far removed from that and we've got generations of nutritional deficiencies that we have to really look at it from the internal and external. But when you work with good ingredients and things that can alkalinize the saliva, then you know, you're ahead of the game.

And then you, I mean you can just use essential oils like your healthy gum drops and Some salt water and.

Just simple things like that, baking soda.

Like you don't need to do any. You don't need to do your toothpaste that you normally do.

No, ditch it now and then. You know what all those ingredients do to. The inside of our mouths is one cell thick. It's the epithelium. So everything that we're doing, forget about swallowing the toothpaste, I mean, it goes in. It's so thin in there, it goes into the bloodstream. And all those tubes may be harmful if swallowed.

Right?

Yeah, totally. Call the ambulance.

And you also have a wild child, which I use, I've used and I continue to use with my 2 year old, which is awesome.

Cool. That's great.

I mean, he doesn't do a lot of brushing, but he.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Getting kids to brush their teeth, that's what also made me go. There's got to be some other, like, way to prevent cavities because it's like hurting chipmunks.

Well, he likes to brush them himself, which is like, you know, he's kind of like moving it around and they're not really doing much, but I'm like, okay, let me put the oil on. Let me massage some oil in there.

That's awesome.

So I appreciate that. Thank you for creating it.

No problem.

Yeah, very cool. Yeah. And I think, I mean, just following a lot of your stuff with teeth. You know, I had a period where I had like 8. One time in my 20s when I was like really eating a lot of sugar and just my diet was horrible and whatever, I went and I hadn't been to the dentist in like a couple years. And he's like, you have eight cavities. And I was like, what?

But what they didn't tell you is that you could have a chance on healing them.

I know, right? And so then I, you know, I didn't have a lot of money and I had to pay all this money to get to put chemicals in my mouth. I look at it, I'm like, oh, my God.

But you know what else is fascinating? I know with the cbc, which is Canadian broadcast testing company, and I think even in the States there have been like different journalists that have gone into one dentist and gotten like sort of a protocol, like looked at the mouth. This is what's going on. Then they would see 20 dentists, same mouth, same person. And the results were across the board.

Yeah.

Like, no. No two dentists said the same thing. And that's kind of scary.

I know. I've had that experience I mean, you know, I. I don't want to bash on dentists. You know, it is what it is, but I've been there. And they're like, oh, you have this and you need to do that. And I was like, I'm gonna wait it out. And just recently, I went to one before I got pregnant. She was like, you have a cavity here. I'm like, I don't think I do. And I'm just gonna. Whatever. And she's like, if you don't do it, you need to sign this waiver. And I'm like, I'll sign it. So I signed it.

I'm like, whatever. I'm out.

And then I had my baby. And, you know, I didn't go to the dentist for like two years. And he was a biodentistry guy.

Yeah.

I went to him and I was like, okay. So before I got pregnant, they said I had this cavity. And he's like, what are you talking about? Like, no cavity. Like, whatever. You know, he. I don't know the terminology, but he's like, no, I don't. I'm not. There's nothing. He's like, I've never seen a pregnant woman, like, a woman who's given birth. Her teeth look as good as you. Yours do. Like, that doesn't happen. You know, most of them are just, you know, have.

Yeah. Pregnancy can bring up a lot of dental issues.

Yeah.

So. But you know what I should say? Just because there'll be be questions or different things, is because a lot of people will be like, my dentist. I have an article on, like, things to think about before your dentist, how to find a dentist. But everybody should just know that. If you contact and you can look up the website, the Hal Huggins Institute, they can answer all your questions about mercury and root canals, but they can also give you a list of qualified biological dentists in your area. Because we do. Sometimes we have to clear up past dental issues, past dental work. And you really want to go to the right dentist so that you're not creating new problems.

Yeah. Amazing. I love it. I mean, as your book says, how to avoid the dentist without ignoring your teeth. Like, yeah, it's super impactful, empowering, you know, and it's exciting. You're like, oh, wow, I can. I don't. You know, it's fine to go to the dentist. And I go to the dentist every couple years.

Yeah.

But it's nice to know that, you know, I have these resources and people can have these resources and these oils and different things to to take back their power around their health and their bodies and their teeth.

Yeah. I feel like dentistry is such a big one that we, you know, same with doctors and often, but we're like, we hand over. Over these fine instruments of our bodies. We think we. They know better education. You can really get up to speed.

Yeah. Awesome.

Cool.

Well, fantastic. You're so. You're just amazing. I appreciate all the research you've done and just all the work that you do.

It's.

It's astonishing. So thank you.

Thank you.

Can you please share? People can find you at your website and then on. So if you have like Twitter, Facebook, any of that stuff that you want to share would be awesome too.

Yeah, we're there. We're everywhere.

You're everywhere. Under Living Libations.

Yeah, Instagram's my favorite because we put up lots of pretty pictures of our land on Instagram.

You said?

Yeah.

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