How did you get on the Apprentice out of 1.8 million applicants?
My sister wanted to try out. We went to an open call. I told myself, if I just get to the top 50, which was the finals, I'll call it a win. So they call me and say, cool, you made the top 50. We're at the Embassy Suite in Santa Monica, and they put all of us up in individual rooms. You weren't allowed to talk to anybody. They want the first time that the real cast to meet to be on camera comes up to the point where they're like, okay, you're going to meet Mark Burnett today, who's the executive producer of the show. I put on my best suit, and I go upstairs. There's big double doors in, like, one of those conference room rooms. And I walk in. He's sitting there on the couch, and he's eating MMs, and I walk in. How you doing, Mr. Burnett? My name's John Gafford, and I stick my hand out to my hand, takes an M and M out of the bag, and drops an M and M in my hand. I'm like, all right. So I launch into, like, all of my great accolades and why I'd be the perfect candidate to work for Donald Trump. I could just see the room slipping away. I was losing just rapidly. I knew I was cooked right. I was like, that did not go well. I go back, and I'm literally packing my stuff because I know what's coming. I've seen it happen all week. EA comes in and he goes, they want to see you again. This time, I'm doing it. I'm doing a little different. Give me a minute. I need to hit the mini bar. So I hit the minibar, walk upstairs. It's double doors. Kicked them as hard as I could. Bam. And they hit the wall, flung open. All the NBC people jumped. I said, buddy, before you say one more word about your why I should be on your goofy little television show, just know this. When you make an investment in me, you get back 100 times the investment. And I pulled a bag of M&M's and I taken out of the mini bar. I threw him in his face, and I walked out of the room. Oh, my God. And that's how I got on the show. Here's the two lessons from that. Take that in the book. First of risk. Risk evaluation. What's the risk? Zero. I knew I was cooked. What's the upside if I go balls out and create one ridiculous moment to be on the show? Part of what makes you successful in any situation is creating value for others. And when I went up there the first time, I started spouting all my resume. I was walking resume guy. They weren't hiring anybody. It's not what they were doing. They were casting. So what they needed was somebody that was potentially going to get some ratings and maybe do something crazy on television. So I went back up there, I said, I'm going to give you value by creating my little M Rebellion, which is going to maybe show you that I can beat a ratings gold mine for you.