building a $10k/mo AI business in 39 minutes (full breakdown)

Hello.

What's good, Hugo? What's up?

Hey. How's it going?

It's going pretty good, man. How about yourself?

I can't complain. Things are going pretty well.

It's awesome to hear, man. That's awesome to hear. You're launching your new campaign this week, right?

I want to for some reason. My. Well, I think I know the reason, but my campaign is still at 87. It hasn't finished. I think it's the four day waiting period. And I literally just turned on like on Friday, Saturdays and Sundays to send. So I moved the dates. I decreased the days of waiting between email four and five to three days. And hopefully that makes it like send now and like just to be done with it.

Yeah, 100%. And it's also probably just. Yeah. People moving from email four to five. Yeah. Okay. So I would set up the campaign either way. I mean, the target is what, Thursday.

Yeah.

To get that going. So I think either way you'd be fine if you were to get it going by Thursday. Do you have like the leads list and things like that or work in progress?

I have. So I have the campaign ready. It just needs the leads list plugged in and then the email accounts need to be like freed up and then I could just throw them onto that campaign.

Okay, got it, got it. But yeah, I mean, it's pretty straightforward and how to do that. Keep me updated with how that goes, man.

Yeah, for sure. Also, I. Last night I was working on getting those icebreakers to the list and like you said, the price started like getting out of control. So I think for 3,000 icebreakers, it's getting close to like 100 bucks to get it. But I'm already committed, so I'm gonna just like do it. But it'll be interesting to see like what kind of results there are in like if it. To save. To see if it was worth it, you know?

Yeah. I mean, you can always run it as a split test. You don't have to run your right. Entire leads list. I mean, if you already have 3k, 3,000 of them, I'd say that's a pretty like, that's a pretty good size of like. Yeah. With. I'd probably start. You could probably set up two campaigns. Right. One with the icebreakers and one without the icebreakers. For example, the one with the icebreakers, you would just use the 3,000 that you have. Everything will be the same except for the icebreakers. And then after you've done that 3,000, just launch another campaign like your regular campaign with the rest of your leads list without the icebreakers and then just see what type of impact that has on just mainly overall reply rates and then positive reply rates and then booking rates. Right. Those would be the three metrics. But yeah, like I've tested it like quite extensively in the past before and it's never. It's gotten better results but not in a way like not significantly better to the point where it's worth the cost. Right. I have found that in a lot of industries, broad industries that is, it's almost always more efficient to go volume for broad based industries. Right. If it's like very narrow or very niche down, using icebreakers is a good strategy in by itself. But for broad stuff it's not.

Right.

What's up, Eddie?

Hello.

Hello.

Hello.

What's up, Jimmy?

How's it going, man?

Good. How about you guys?

Pretty good. Pretty good snowing here in Toronto actually, but yeah, man.

Oh damn. I thought I had it bad with the rain out here in la. It never rained, so. Came out of nowhere.

Yeah, for sure.

But I was gonna ask you about. So I'm currently like, I'm starting to work with this general contractor from back home and I don't know how much like info you can give me. I know it's like not your exact expertise, but we talked about it a little bit. I know you had some of your friends, but I guess like I sent him the onboarding form and I guess it's a matter of like Right. With the, with the scrapers. Of course it's different. Like I can go in there and I could find thousands of marketing agencies on Apollo or SaaS services like easily because they're all online.

Yeah.

With like general contractors is not as much of like, like a precise target audience. Like there's certain ones. But what do you like, do you, do you have any like tips or info of a way like I want to be able to get them results? Does that make sense? Like I know I can get a lot of general contractors, roofers, like people like that, like that's probably the easy part. The harder part would be to get them actual results.

Or. Okay, so you're offering cold calling lead generation, correct?

Yeah.

Okay. And general contractors as in like, like local, like roofing companies, like like that type of stuff.

Right.

But like a general contractor is kind of. He subcontracts to everybody else so he'll get like a big project. It could be like to build a home or work on a commercial property, like build a bank or something. Like any kind of buildings. And then he'll kind of like, he's like the top person with the contract. And then they'll subcontract to. They'll hire roofers to hire electricians. They'll hire everybody else under.

Okay. For sure. Okay, got it. And so basically what you're doing is you're not reaching out to the general contractors or your. Or your company's reaching out to these general contractors. Like, so basically, who's the target that you're trying to reach out to?

My target would be, like, the general contractors.

Okay.

But then I have to get results for them. So that's more what I'm trying to figure out. Because, I mean, like, I. I'm working with him right now, but I'm just trying to figure out how I could get, like, him more results.

What's kind of his offer, like, in a nutshell?

So I just sent him the onboarding form. Like, we're still figuring all that out, but. So his offer is, like, really just like, home building. He does, like, everything from remodels to he'll build the whole house. He could add space, like, like room space, square footage, builds things.

And that would be primarily residential. Like, it's. It sounds like his ICP is probably residential, like homeowners, stuff like that, right?

No, they're both. So when he was telling me he wants to get more into, like, big, like, bigger contracts with homeowners associations and kind of like with apartment complexes and be able to work with them and get contracts.

Yeah. Well, I mean. Okay, so what I would do probably. I mean, there's a couple different ideas I would probably. Okay. So I talked to my buddy who does a lot of cold calling, and what he was telling me was a lot of the times he buys a list, so you could probably get, like, just tell your client that you're probably going to buy a list of some sort. And I would buy a list of probably, like, larger apartment complexes where there's a property management group, because that's probably the group that manages a lot like these renos and things like that. And I basically cold call those people because it's going to be a lot easier, I think, whether it's cold calling or emailing. Right. I think it's always easier to reach out to businesses or people who are working jobs, because especially if you're calling them in between, like, the hours that they're actually working. Right. They're more likely to actually pick up because it's part of the job, versus if you call, like, a random dude, probably like, half people don't even pick up, like. Like, I know I never pick up, like, random phone numbers.

Right.

And like, you know what I mean? Right. So that's probably how I would start. But I think the most important thing is getting really clear on the offer. So specifically. So I know you said that for your client, they are offering a bunch of different, like. Like a wide variety of services. I would get clear on one service and basically build the offer for one icp. So, for example, what I mean by that is if, let's say your client does roofing, does, I don't know, like H vac stuff, does a bunch of other, like, floors or something like that. Right. I would probably figure out, like, you just ask the client what's the most popular service or what's the main service that most people kind of pay for and at what price point and who's the target of that? And I'll start there. So I wouldn't start with, like, selling, hey, we do H vac, we sell roofing, we do, you know, floors. Because it's confusing, right? I'd probably start with one service and that's probably how I'd start, if that makes sense.

Okay. Yeah. So I sent him the onboarding form. So he's still like, we're in the beginning stages. So I'm still trying to figure out that and put it all together. Where can I find these leads list to purchase it? Like, I know how to scrape my own, but like, yeah, where would I find that to buy it?

Yeah. One thing that you could do, one thing that I started testing actually, is whenever we work with clients, like, obviously for cold emails. Right. But whenever we work with clients are in a really narrow niche, and we're like, okay, shoot. We don't really know where to get that. We just hit up ChatGPT. We literally say, okay, hey, so we are looking to target this specific targeted niche. Can you help me find directories online that I could scrape a leads list off of? So that's what we do for cold email specifically, which might be slightly different process, but that's where I would start, Right. To find these very specific niche. So in your case, I probably go into ChatGPT and search up, hey, I am work, I am selling roofing to homeowners, larger apartment complexes, property management groups, et cetera. Where would I build a leads list from? Or where are, like, directories of these people that I could find something like that? Yeah, that's probably where I would start.

Okay. Yeah.

Because I've done that already.

A little bit.

So it's giving me some different options. But a lot of it's like manual work unless I like, I need to retouch on my scraping stuff. But I know like with instant.

Data scraper.

I know with the instant scraper, yeah, go on Google, search it on Google and it'll give me everything, but it'll give me like all numbers. But yeah, like I was just looking for other options as well.

So that's what you do.

Like you don't, you don't know anywhere where somebody can buy them.

So that's primarily what we do. Sometimes it's actually easier. So like for example, if you find like a random directory, like a really niche directory, sometimes it's actually easier to buy a lease list. So you could just go on fiverr, fiverr.com and search up like leads list builder. And usually obviously you're going to have to pay money. It's going to be probably more expensive than if you were to do it yourself. But obviously this is in the scenario where you can't really build it yourself. Right. It's cheaper and probably more efficient to find a guy on Fiverr to do it. Right. You just have to verify it. So basically you don't want to run into a scenario where these people, like these freelancers on Fiverr are selling you recycled leaflets lease list that probably they sold like to 50 other people. Right. You don't, you just don't want to that scenario. So what I like to do, right, whenever we hire freelancers to do it for us is we're reaching out to a couple, right, Based on what we see and we're like, okay, here is our icp, here's what we're looking for. Could you build me a sample leads us of like 10 people with like the phone numbers, the emails, the first name, the last names, maybe the LinkedIn profiles if it's a business, the website again if it's a business. And then you just take like 20 minutes and you look through that sample that they all send you and just go with the guy who is the best combination of pricing and based on how accurate the lease is actually is right from when you verify the info. So that's how I would do it if I was buying a lease list.

Okay.

Okay. So you just do that on Fiverr.

Yeah.

Do you have anything specific you look for when hiring somebody?

Nothing really specific. There's like it's a whole gen, like it's a whole category on Fiverr actually like freelancers to build leads list. There's like a ton. I think the main thing is just making sure that again.

Right.

Like some of these dudes, they are like, kind of slimy. They might like, sell the same leases they sold to like, other people too. So it's mainly that. Right. Or inaccurate information. But that's pretty easy to verify based on again.

Right.

The sample thing that, that you do, you get them to send you a sample, like 10 people based on your ICP and you just look through that. Okay.

So you don't like, take too much consideration of the country or anything?

Like, country they're in or country deletes.

Yeah, like country they're in or working.

No, not really. Not. It's actually better if they are not in like America because if they, if they were, it'd probably be pretty expensive, like the labor. Right.

Well, that's what, that's what I was thinking. Like, that's what I've heard before that it's. Sometimes it's. It's best to hire somebody out of the country. But I just wanted to make sure if you see if you've had any information on.

Yeah, actually, in fact, I think pretty much every single. I don't often use like the list building, like freelancers because then I've like a whole team doing it for me. But in the times that I have, I think. I don't think I had a single dude that came from America. I think most of them are like. And like the Philippines or like India or like Bangladesh, like, like places like that. And then they get like, they're pretty good at it. Again, you just have to verify that it's actually who you're looking for. And that's basically it.

Okay, that makes sense. And the times where you've done it yourself for like these precise niches where they're really narrow, do you just look up, like, look them up in the directories and then use instant. The instant scraper?

Yeah, yeah, that I'd say like in 95% of cases is mainly that. So, like, we worked with like some really, really, like, niched clients. So for example, one of the most like, narrow ones that we worked with was a recruitment agency that works specifically with like elderly homes in Washington State. Right. So like, that's pretty narrow. Right. And there isn't that many. Like there's. I think there's only like 200 of them or something. Entire state of Washington. And basically what we did was, I think we like, we just searched on Google or something and then we found a directory that comes from the government because I Guess like these elderly homes, they got to be like state certified or something like that, right? And basically there was like this government website with like a list of every single like elderly home in, in, in Washington state, like where they're located, the name of it, the email, like the like stuff like that. And we were able to build that entire leads list and we emailed like the support email and then we got a lot of results. It was just obviously there's only like 200 of them. Right, but that's what we did. Right? And that's probably like the most like the like a narrow niche that comes to mind. But that's what we did. Right, but same process, right? We found the directory Instant Data Scraper, we plugged that into LinkedIn Sales Navigator or Apollo and then we basically got the contacts and we emailed them.

What do you mean you plugged it in after instantly scrapes like the little Pokemon, Right, the little Pokemon.

So it depends on the directory. So sometimes certain directories they have the emails or phone numbers, Right, But I wouldn't say that happens like it's a wash, right? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, with Instant Data Scraper you're going to get the name of the company or in this case the name of the elderly home, right? And you're going to get the website and basically with that two information you could put that into a CSV file and you could upload it into either Apollo or LinkedIn sales navigator and basically Apollo and LinkedIn sales navigator will then try to find people who, who work at that company or come, you know, company website and based on like the titles and stuff like that will find specific people if that makes sense.

Okay, yeah, no, that makes complete sense. All right, all right. You've given me a lot of information. Thank you, I appreciate it.

Yeah, no worries man. Anytime. Anytime. Russell, how's everything going, man?

Yeah, it's, it's been going all right. I purchased the domains 5 and the email accounts. Right, 5 for 5 Gmail accounts and 5. No, not 5, what am I saying? 15 Gmail accounts and 15 Microsoft Outlook accounts and they, they were all delivered within 48 hours or a little over 48 hours after I purchased them. And then I started the warm up process as of a day, a day ago or two days ago. Let me see here. Jesus.

I think it was yesterday. You sent me a discord message basically being like as of like November 16th or something. I think it was yesterday, right, Let me see. Yeah, was, oh the 15th.

So yeah, two days ago. And you know, I made sure I changed the email and the password of my smartly account.

Yeah.

So no one will be able to, you know, mess with messing with my email accounts this time. Jesus Christ. And so, and I, I saw and I checked the, there was this checklist, Legion Agency checklist on the, on the notion of inbox, Inbox lab. And so I realized I haven't actually built the, the landing page of my, of my, of the service that I'm going to offer and I haven't, I don't think I have set up the candidly, I mean I haven't gone through that whole document so I'm not sure if I've set it up yet because I, I have a casually cataly account. And what else? I, I, I wrote some emails co email sequence but I think I need to modify them a little bit and I haven't done the VSL and I haven't scraped the leads list and you know, and everything else I haven't done. Yeah, I haven't actually set up the co email campaigns and I haven't built myself script and so what, you know, of those things that I mentioned, what should I get started with first? Um, and you know what, what's kind of the, the order of things that I should, I should go, I should go by at this point.

Yeah. Okay. I would definitely start with the cold email scripts and the VSL scripts. Those two things for sure because they take the most amount of time. I think everything else it doesn't like for example setting up like a calendar or like a website. Like those don't take that long. Especially with like the templates and stuff. Like it's like a 30 minute type of thing. Right. So I'd say this, the code email scripts and the VSL for sure. Code email scripts could be relatively quick. Hugo said it in the comments or the chat, Zoom chat. But I would use like AI to help you. So for example, you use AI Jimmy to help you combination with ChatGPT of course as well.

Right.

To build you up the script and obviously redo it and stuff like that to make sure it makes sense. But, but that's what I would do. And that would get you like 90% of the way from the cold email script perspective. Right. The VSL script is probably where you're going to have to spend a little bit more time. I'd say on average it probably takes most people probably one to three days to script it out and then maybe another one or two more days to film it itself. Right. I know we talked about it before in the past, but that's where I will start. The code, email scripts and the vsm. That makes sense.

Okay. Right. And. Whoa. Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm just taking, I'm, I'm just looking at the, the, the crafting Danger Dangerous VSLS section now. I realize I have to go through this entire thing first. So. Yeah. Oh, just came to that. I actually just got a. Well, I was, I'm looking at my screen now. I just got a text message from my roofing Legion client. What happened is, yeah, he's supposed to send me, he's supposed to send me twelve fifty dollars a week and he's, he hasn't, he hasn't sent me money in two, in two weeks. It's going, it's going to be three weeks soon. I, I sent in, you know, messages to figure out what the situation is. And he said his, his bank account went into, went into fraud alert. Fraud lock hit. His bank account got, you know, got fraud locked. And I was like, what? You know, I wasn't sure if he's using it as an excuse because it happened, happened to him once and he, he was able to, instead of sending me money from his business, business checking account, he sent me money from his personal checking account. And that worked once, but when he stopped sending me money this time, you know, he didn't try to send me money from his personal checking account. So I, I asked him, well, well, what action steps have you taken? Have you been taking to get this fraud lock resolved? And he's like, oh, I call, I call my bank and you know, they, they told me that they have to, they have to call me to verify, verify my identity, things like that. And they just haven't called me yet. So I asked him, well, what bank are you with? And he says, I'm with, I'm with Chase. I said, I'm with Chase too. And I told him, you should be able to just go into a branch and get this sorted. But yeah, so, yeah, he just sent me a text saying just because this morning I said, I sent him, you know, if you're not hopping off our, my service and we need to send payment. And I, I asked him, is there anything else other than, you know, your bank account going to fraud fraud lock. Is there anything else stopping you from sending over the payment? And he said, just a fraud alert, buddy, I do apologize. I just checked it just now try sending you money and it's not allowing me. I'm going to try to fix it today. So what was I trying to say here? Yeah, yeah, no, that, that thing just popped up on my screen. But I mean, it's, yeah, things like this is, is, you know, one of the things that made me want to not work with the home services guy because I realized in the home services niches, there's just a lot of, I mean, they're good guys for sure, but there's also a lot of, you know, fly by nights and a lot of not so not so honest guys. You know, and sometimes you just have to, you just have to weed through a lot of, you know, not so not so honest guys to, to finally land on a good guy. To be fair, though, this guy, this guy does pay because I've had worse guys. Where. And the crazy thing, too. Fascinating. Well, yeah, the crazy thing is during this whole, during his two to two, three weeks period, I sent him, you know, an enormous amount of leads. Enormous number of leads yesterday alone. You know, you wouldn't be, you wouldn't believe this, but it was a Sunday and I sent him freaking 14. No, it wasn't even, I think it was 16 or 19 leads on Sunday alone because it was raining in the city. And, you know, people called up on a Sunday because their roof is leaking. And this is what's great about working with essential services. Right. It doesn't matter if, if, if Trump is, you know, messing, messing around with the tariffs and the price of things going up. If, if your roof is leaking, you got to find a roofing company. Yeah. You know, if your house goes out of power, you got to find an electrician, you know, regardless of how bad economy is now. But, but yeah, I got, I got to get this payment thing resolved because. Jesus. Yeah, I, I, I can't, I can't run a business like this when, you know, I'm, I'm providing my service, but I'm not getting paid, you know what I mean?

100%.

So, so what do you, what do you, what would you do in, in, in a situation like this where, you know, you're still providing your service, but you're just, you haven't been receiving money, you know, for, for the service that you're providing.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like you've been working with this guy for quite a bit. I would. Okay. So personally, I would. Depending on how close or not close you are with him, it will really dictate how you would proceed with it. I'd say if you worked with him for quite a bit and you just trust the guy enough to know that he's probably going to pay you eventually. I would. I mean, either way, I would hit him up and be like, hey, man, if we don't get this resolved by like, within like a certain time period, within a week or two weeks, we're going to have to put a pause in the services.

Right?

I would say that for sure.

Right.

How close you are or not close you are would dictate how like that timeline and how firm you want to be. But I wouldn't just be indefinitely offering the services and not getting paid, if that makes sense.

Right.

And I think you just want to put some kind of like, urgency to it in a respectful way where you're kind of like, okay, so enough is enough.

This.

I understand things happen in business. I get it. But if something happens, are you just not going to pay your employees or something? Right, like, like legitimately.

Right.

And if so, we're just not going to offer the services if you don't pay us or until you pay us. So something like that. That's probably what I would do.

Right? Yeah, that's kind of what I was. What I was thinking my hat as well. And. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, this guy does. I mean, I've. I first started working with this guy in February or March last year, and he's, you know, over time he's been, uh, like throughout last year he treated my service as a kind of like a hop on and hop off thing. But he thought he could just, you know, hop on and pay for. For a couple weeks or a couple months and then, and then just hop off. And then he's like. At one point he's like, like, I remember back in. Oh. So when he first signed up, he paid for like two months of service. And at one point like, all of a sudden he's like, oh, you know, my dad got sick, so I gotta go back to Louisiana so I can't continue this and things like that. And I was like, I was like, then, well, what about, what about your business? Like, what are you, what are you gonna do with your, with your business while you're away? And he's like, oh, you know, I still have, you know, two months worth of jobs and my, my crew is going to finish them up. So, yeah, so he dropped off for like a month or two and he came back in June. And then this time he stayed for another two months. And then mid August, yeah, mid August last year he was like, it was, it was weird. At one point he's like, oh, I sent over the payment for the, for the Leaves. And then, you know, I don't want to sit here and explain why. Just, just. No thanks. And then. Yeah, and he dropped off again. But how I. How I figured, you know, how I decided to, you know, how I started working with him again. Is that, Is that he. Around December last year, he came back to me, wanted to work with me again. And at that time he was like, oh, the other thing is he kept getting cheaper and cheaper every time. Every time he came back. So when I first. But I, I, you know, that changed this year when I significantly upped my price. He still stayed. But it. Last year, like, when I first started working with him, it was 800 per week. So 3, $200. But then when he came back, he was like, oh, you know, I didn't close any jobs and things like that, so we had to like. Yeah, so. So I, so I lowered the price a little bit. It still work out. Work out to be around $3,000 a month. But then he dropped off again, and then he came back again in December. But at that time, he was getting so cheap that he wouldn't even. I. I tried raising my price to $4,000 a month. So. So a thousand dollars. And he's like, oh, I'm run. I can. I can just pay Angie's ads to run ads for me. And it would be fifteen hundred dollars a month. And I was like, all right. And then. So I. So he didn't sign up in December. What. The turning point came when he came back again in July this year. And this time he was very desperate because, oh, I accidentally activated series. I don't know what I said there, but this is, this is what's. You know. But yeah, no, this time he was like, oh, I only have. I only have like two months worth of. Worth of jobs. And I was like, well, I thought you were. You're doing well with. With Angie's leads, right? Angie's ads or whatever. Right. He's like, oh, no, they, like, couldn't log into their app or whatever, so I stopped using them. So, yeah, the thing is, he was in a very desperate situation. So I seize that opportunity and raised my price significantly. Raised it to 1250.

Yeah.

And he still pays. So. So that's. That's what happened there. And I made sure I conditioned him properly this time. I was like, if you're. If you're gonna hop on and hop off again, that I won't work with you, and you're gonna, you know, complain about, you know, not closing. Not closing jobs, and I'm not going to work with you. And I lay out like a list of, list of conditions under which I'll work with him. And he agreed to all of them, including, including a video, testimonials, calls that we're going to do. Although I haven't actually done that with him. But yeah, since then he's been paying until, until, until two weeks ago he stopped paying.

Yeah, I would, yeah I would. What I would do is I would just tell him that you're going to drop him as a client if he doesn't clean up his act and figure this out. I think at the end of the day, whenever you work in a service based business, it's just a part of the, it's just a part of the business. In the same way how every single business model itself has pros and cons, right. I think that's an inherent truth. There's no like perfect business model. There's always pros and cons. And I think the cons with services businesses is there are some bad businesses, right. That are completely unrelated to you. Right. Like you said, either fly by the night operations or they're just unprofessional or maybe don't even treat it as a business. They don't pay people out, they scam people. Like all of these different things. There's a million different possibilities, right. And I think the weakness with services businesses is you run into these type of scenarios, but it's also about how you handle it. I think at the end of the day, if I were you, I would probably just put that service on pause and be like, hey man, it's been two weeks. You haven't paid us by the end of this week, by Friday, if you don't figure this out, we're gonna pause the service and we're not gonna be getting you more leads until that invoice is paid. And yeah, like that's probably what I would say. Right. But that's probably how I'd handle the situation and. Yeah. And just go from there and see, see how it goes.

Yeah. And with that I was thinking, so if I pause the service then I gotta, you know, because I gotta be prepared for if he decides to actually drop off, then I gotta look for another roofing company to send the leads to. And I thought about either because I, the way I used to do this is, is cold calling. But I, at this point I just don't have the time to actually do the cold calling myself anymore because I got too many, too much stuff going on. So I thought about Running either running ads or to find a roofing company in the city or sending out cold emails or both. But I actually tried sending out cold emails to the, to the roofing companies in, in the city. But the. There's actually not that many roofing companies. Oh, my doorbell is ringing. But let me finish this thought real quick. There's actually not that many roofing companies. So when I try sending out co emails it, it didn't work that well. Like some roofing companies got back to me initially, but once they found out that I'm trying to sell them leads, they're like, they're like no thanks. So what would you, what would you suggest? Because it's, it's, it's a city with just 350,000 population. The, the city I'm generating. Generating leads in in California. So if I were to look for a roofing company in a city or in a county, how would you go about doing that?

Yeah, same thing I said to Eddie. I would probably search up either directories or I would pay a fiverr freelancer. So those are probably the two options. I would go specifically for local businesses. That's what I would do.

Yeah, just open the door.

Hey Jimmy, do you guys have or do you have a video that shows how to. That, that shows how to take the directory from like and then put it onto LinkedIn Sales Navigator? All that I got right now. So right now just going through it, I was, I was going through the directory for like the hoas. So I use like the instant data scraper real quick. But yeah, like you said, it only gave me the name of the company and then like the website. So then what, like what could I do with that? Is there any.

Yeah, let me drop you the link.

Would you suggest LinkedIn Navigator or using.

I would start with Apollo because it's probably going to be cheaper. LinkedIn Sales Navigate is pretty expensive to be honest. The plan is I think like 300 bucks or something. Like it's pretty pricey. But I would Apollo but yeah, to just drop the day. $10 in chat.

Okay, thank you. And so that one shows with Apollo as well.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, perfect, perfect. Thank you so much.

For sure. For sure. Cool, cool, cool. Good call today. I guess what we could do is, I mean if you guys have any questions, hit me up at Discord. Russell, build your code email script in your VSL and you know, send that message to your client and be like, yo, we're not going to offer this service if you don't pay us. But cool. Do you guys have any other questions, comments, anything else for today?

I'm good.

Thank you, man.

Appreciate your time.

All right, see you.

One last thing.

Yeah, for sure.

So when it comes to scraping the. The. The leads at. At my stage, what, you know, how much money am I looking at as far as scrape. Scraping the leads. The leads list for my first email co. Email campaign.

How much it'll cost, right, is what you're asking?

Yeah.

Depends on the size of your leads list. But I would say if you're doing 10,000.

After.

Okay, 10,000, it'll probably cost you three to five bucks to scrape it off Apollo. And then you're gonna have to verify it. Probably cost you like 30 bucks or something for like, 10k leads. So nothing too crazy, but I would probably go over 10k leads. But, yeah, so I'd probably budget like a hundred bucks. I'd say it's probably a good amount.

Okay, gotcha.

Yeah, man.

Cool. Well, yeah, that's all for me.