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Here's your host, Dave Smith.

What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem, back in my studio. Rob back at home for the first time in a while. Of course, I'm Dave Smith. He is my life partner, Robbie the Fire Bernstein. What's up, brother? How are you?

Uh, it's nice to be home for one night and then right back on the road tomorrow. Free Meek Hawk gig in Memphis and then, uh, Milwaukee on Saturday and Madison Grove, Wisconsin for a Sunday afternoon Day Drinkers. Come hang.

Ooh, you're traveling around quite a bit. And don't forget, me and you will both be in, uh, uh, Cleveland in a couple weeks, I think. Uh, Cleveland Hilarities. Go to comicdavesmith.com. Uh, to get all the—

our tickets.

I've heard good things about that club.

I've heard wonderful things about that club, and I heard great things about, uh, the Comedy Club of Kansas City where we just were, and they were true. It was a great club. So this— I'm hoping this one will be true as well.

We get good intel more often than not.

That is essentially the theme of this show, Rob, is that our intel is more often good than not. Um, and of course, robbiethefire.com. for all of Rob's, uh, stuff that he's doing. Summer Porch Tour, go check all that stuff out. All right, where to start tonight, Rob?

You're filming.

Oh yeah, well, they— that's right, last night I, uh, filmed, uh, my second comedy special. Um, it's been a few years since I filmed my first one, and it was a great night. Genuinely one of the best nights in my career. A lot of people I loved were there.

And you.

Um, that's sweet. That's not— that was unnecessary. No, but I was, I was very happy that you were in the building. Uh, a lot of people who I loved were there. It was a great fucking crowd. Me and Louis both filmed, uh, comedy specials. Um, that'll be out— I don't know.

I don't know.

Now we gotta go into the editing process. I think within the next couple months they'll be out and, uh, up on YouTube and shit like that. But it was a cool— it was a cool night. And yeah, I was very happy with how it went.

Dude, I'm excited to see it come out because I felt like you got it. I mean, everything was popping. I was really impressed with the production, the look, the aesthetic of the room. So I think that's gonna really boost the road. I'm looking forward to it.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It's a— I got a lot of, a lot of great feedback and then a lot of messages today from like, you know, Great people who I respect a lot, who are like, "Yo dude, I've heard nothing but great things," and people who were there and were like, "Oh, it was great." And you know, it's weird when you when you record a comedy special. It's like you kind of you have all the material, and then you do it, and then you feel kind of good about it. And then as soon as it's over, you're like, "Oh, now I got to do the editing process," which sucks balls. So that's where I am now. But I'm excited for all of you guys listening to to see it. I think I think you're going to enjoy it, and uh.

You got—

and Lewis's too, man. Lewis's was so goddamn funny. So I'm, I'm, I'm real excited for them, them to all come out. Um, okay, so let's get into an episode, shall we? So there was a, uh, what— this is what today's episode is gonna be. There was a video from Reason TV. Um, I, I would describe it, I think fairly, as a hit piece on Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And when I say a hit piece, I don't mean that to immediately discredit it. I think sometimes, you know, people deserve hit pieces on them, but I think this is fair to categorize this as a hit piece. And it is getting insanely ratioed. I don't know how else to describe it. If you go check out the YouTube video, The comments on it are like just thousands of comments of people being like, this is so unfair. And not just like comments where people are saying this is unfair, but comments where people are trashing them and the comment has thousands of likes. 600, 700 likes. The, the, uh, post on Twitter has just thousands of comments underneath it. It's a very kind of interesting moment to me. And I, uh, I'm not saying— I think people kind of like, um, at times will go, oh, so what are we supposed to do? Judge everything by the YouTube comments or the Twitter, you know, replies or something like that? And I'm not saying that, but I do find it interesting when there's one of these pieces that gets so much of a revolt from people online. And that's not a perfect metric for anything, but it is almost as good a metric as anything. You know, like, what's, what's better than that? What are we supposed to look at? What's just accepted in the corporate press or something like that? It's, it's something. And so I, I feel like this was a, um, Just an interesting moment where you're like, okay, what's going on here? And what does this exactly say? And why is this evoking such a response from so many people? And, you know, one of the things that's really interesting about the RFK phenomenon, which I think is a fair word to call it at this point, because I know, you know, we had him on this show. The show where I interviewed him has gotten something like, uh, I don't know, it's, it's somewhere in the ballpark of like a million downloads. Come back on! Yeah, yeah, I would. I'll do it with him every day. Uh, but somewhere around a million, uh, uh, downloads for that episode. We had a couple subsequent shows where we talked about him, different things, the crystal ball, uh, uh, thing with him, and we're just like really blew up. And it just seems like there's a tremendous amount of interest in this guy. And that doesn't mean anything about him is good or bad, but it does mean that there's something to kind of think about here. And that in itself makes it kind of interesting. And when it's Reason Magazine, who— for people who don't know, Reason TV— but Reason Magazine is, um, one of The, the biggest, more, uh, kind of establishment, uh, longest-lasting or longest-running libertarian publications out there. And they have a— their, their YouTube, you know, uh, Reason TV is like the YouTube arm of Reason Magazine. Used to be like a hard— hardcover, I don't know, whatever. Used to be a magazine. And know, we're not really in the age of magazines anymore, but that they still put out a publication and they have YouTube videos and stuff like that. And so it's just interesting from our perspective as a couple of people who are libertarians who have also been very interested in the RFK campaign to see this kind of moment where so much heat is being generated at what is a, uh, a libertarian response. Maybe not our version of libertarianism, but a libertarian response to RFK.

Right, the, uh, pro-COVID vaccine, pro-mandate, and anti-Meekhawk, uh, libertarian branch of our party.

Right, right.

I guess, what a shocker, they're a page different than us.

Yes, okay, fair enough. Well, I think one of the things that I, um, That's why it's interesting about this, is that there, there are a lot of people, and I think many of the people in the, the reason camp, who don't exactly understand why this is getting the reaction that it is. And I feel like I do understand why it's getting this reaction, and that's something I wanted to kind of get into. And then I want to play the video. I want to go through it. I've also, for people who follow me on Twitter, I've been having a little bit of a Twitter exchange with Liz Wolf, who was the woman who made the video, or the woman in the video. And I'm hoping we can— she's going to come on the podcast and we could talk about this. I'm not sure if we're going to make that work or not yet. She hasn't given me like a definitive answer, but we'll see if we We can make that happen. I, I'd be happy to, to do it. Um, I'll, I'll preface with this, and then maybe at some point we could like— I'll, I'll read you the, the tweets and we, we can, you know, kind of go over what was said between us. But I want to go through the video also and kind of, you know, respond to some of what's going on here. But I think that one of the things that's important to understand, and this is something that we've addressed before, And when, when you're a libertarian, there's kind of this interesting dynamic where you can apply your libertarian views in many different ways. You know, um, it's, uh, if you believe in liberty— well, we, we believe in liberty across the board. But that doesn't mean that you can't, you know, say, talk about one specific issue and focus on what the libertarian take on that issue would be. But that can also lead you into areas where you miss the big picture. And I kinda think that's what's going on here. You know, we've talked a lot about this, where you see libertarians Uh, let's say during the height of COVID whether it was whatever it was, let's say it was during the height of like vaccine mandates during COVID and you'd have someone like Ron DeSantis in Florida, and he would have a bill that says it's illegal for private businesses to have their own mandates, whether mask mandates or vaccine mandates or something like that. And you'd see a lot of libertarians who were writing pieces attacking him and going, hey, you know, this is not a libertarian solution, and it is authoritarian for you to tell a private business that they can't have whatever rules they want to on their private bit— on their private property. And that is technically correct. It is correct. You, from the libertarian perspective, you— I mean, it's tough to argue against that. Like, that's just right. However, at the same time as you have that, you would have libertarians like at the Cato Institute, not Reason, but another kind of similar organization, who would be putting out these pieces like the libertarian case for vaccine mandates. And that was stupid. Okay, the argument there was like something along the lines of, uh, well, it's less of an infringement on liberty than mask mandates, which I don't agree with, but this is the argument. It's less of an infringement on liberty than lockdowns. It's less of an infringement on liberty than mask mandates. So the libertarian who supports maximum liberty and minimal, you know, blah, blah, blah. They could— they can deal with this and that. Okay, that's stupid. That was like a really bad take. It's like, you know, the libertarian case for stabbing. Well, it's better than shooting, you know, like that's just ridiculous. But okay, but so we had a lot of that stuff coming out. But that aside, say the libertarian case for why DeSantis's bans on private mandates are wrong is actually a fairly strong libertarian argument. You can argue pretty strongly that on people's private property, they should be able to do what they want to do. However, the reason why something like that would get a bad response from a lot of people, not just libertarians, but a lot of people, is not because technically Technically, it's not correct. It's because what— it's more like, what are you doing here when you're writing this piece, especially if you haven't focused on the bigger issue? Like, if you really care about liberty, are you talking at all about the fact that in all of these other states there are government-enforced mandates in the opposite direction? Now, if you have and, and you're railing against Fauci and lockdowns and vaccine passports and vaccine mandates. And then you also go— and by the way, I don't think DeSantis needs to go this far. I think this is wrong. Then okay. But there were so many people who had focused all their energy on just the response. And then you sit there and you go, Okay, well, now you're almost like weaponizing libertarianism to be this thing where if there's a huge crackdown on liberty, you're going to respond to the reaction to that crackdown and judge them on whether they have a perfect score or not, rather than focusing on the huge crackdown to liberty. Daniel McAdams, who is, of course, Ron Paul's co-host on, uh, the, the Liberty Report. He has this rule that, that, that, uh, is— I think it's— I think he came up with it, um, where he said the libertarian rule is never do the bidding of the CIA. Like, never. Now, I don't know that it's a complete law of libertarian physics. There are exceptions to it. Like, if someone— I, I don't—

You mean be waterboarded. Like, just, you have to do it.

Yeah, some—

sometimes.

Well, I'd say if someone asks me, um, do you think Vladimir Putin is a good guy who is justified in invading Ukraine? I, I will say no. No, I don't. I think he's a bad guy, and I think invading Ukraine was wrong. Now, okay, in a sense, that is kind of what the regime would like me to say. But okay, I don't think you have to take it that far. I don't think I have to say that Kim Jong-un is a good leader or something like that. But the point I believe that he's getting at is that it's like this. It's like if you're a libertarian in 2002, and in 2002 the war drums are beating for the war in Iraq. And, um, you know, George W. Bush is coming out every day and making his case of how Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and how we actually know that he was in bed with al-Qaeda and he was involved in the planning of 9/11, and he's trying to get these weapons of mass destruction that he really has into the hands of these terrorists that he's really allies with. and that they're going to try to detonate a bomb in, you know, Mississippi or whatever the fucking propaganda at the time was. Which, by the way, what I'm saying is not that far off. It was something like that. Um, and let's say you're a libertarian writing in a libertarian publication, and let's say you just constantly are writing pieces about what a brutal dictator Saddam Hussein is and how he violates The natural rights of all of the people who live under his regime, and how their regime would be so much better off if Saddam Hussein just wasn't there. Okay, that is technically true. That, that, that is accurate from a libertarian perspective. You're not actually wrong. However, for non-autistic libertarians, Who might actually be capable of zooming out and looking at the bigger picture, you might ask yourself, what the fuck are you doing right now? Like, why is this what you're focusing on? How is it possible that you think this is the most important thing for a libertarian to say right now when you see what's going on. And it would make people think that you are naive at best and a tool of the regime at worst, if that makes sense. And I think that's a big part of what's going on here. I think that's a big part of why people are having such a knee-jerk reaction against this video. I really do not believe that it is that so many people so sincerely believe that Wi-Fi is causing these negative health externalities. I don't think that's what's going on here. I think it's that people see someone fighting against this most corrupt regime, and then they see everyone in the establishment trying to just fucking, like, discard this guy without being willing to take on his arguments, without being willing To sit down mano a mano with him and actually let— like, let's see what his response to this would be. There's so much, um, there's such a scramble to just not deal with what he has to say and dismiss him that I think this is kind of what's creating this reaction. That people are like, yo, I don't— I don't like what you're doing here. I don't like that everyone's just writing a hit piece about this guy. Or making a video that's a hit piece about this guy without being willing to sit down and talk to this guy who's clearly willing to sit down and talk to anyone. He was on our show. He's on— he's going on every show. It is very clear that RFK is not turning down a debate with anyone. And there's something about that that people just kind of sniff out and go, yeah, this guy believes he's right. And you do not seem to have the confidence that you can actually go and tangle with him. So that, I think it's almost necessary to say that to start this off so people understand what's going on here. It's not a, and I see a lot of these people from, at least from the tweets and responses and stuff like the Reason Magazine types who don't seem to get this. They don't seem to get this. That it's in the same sense if you were writing a piece about how awful Saddam Hussein is and someone's furious at you. It's not that they don't agree that Saddam Hussein's awful. It's just that you're writing this piece about how Saddam Hussein is awful. And then I'm going, no, dude, this is fucking— you're missing the whole point. And then their response is, so you think Saddam's great? So you must be a Saddam Hussein apologist. What the fuck? Are you actually missing the bigger picture here? I don't know what the deal with all these vaccines is. That's how most people feel. We don't know. We're questioning everything these days, but we don't know. But the point is that he's talking about how corrupt this system is, and for some reason— you can figure that out, I'm not going to tell you what it is. But publications like Reason and Cato never seem to have the level of disdain for Anthony Fauci that they have for RFK. Now, why the fuck is that? Because don't sit here and tell me that Anthony Fauci hasn't pushed as much misinformation as you could accuse RFK of pushing at worst. And who had a bigger impact? Like, who really fucking— whose misinformation affected more people's lives? Give me that answer. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Nevin Eyewear, a brand new sponsor. Some great sunglasses, you gotta go check them out if you want to get 2 free pairs when you buy one. Nevin Eyewear makes incredible sunglasses. 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In fact, I remember I did my first interview with Reason Magazine at that point, and one of the big topics that Reason TV, whatever, Nick Gillespie interviewed me when I put that first special out. And by the way, I like Nick. He was very nice to me and nice things to say about my first first comedy special, and he was like— nothing against him, but one of the major topics that he wanted to talk about was the alt-right, Charlottesville, Christopher Cantwell. This was like half-hour interview was talking about that. And that same year, um, the Libertarian Party demanded that— or the then-chair of the Libertarian Party and a few other people involved Demanded that we sign a pledge denouncing Nazism and the people who protested at Charlottesville and saying that they had no part in the Libertarian Party. And at the time, I was more of like a small dog in this world. I wasn't really like the big, you know, guy. It was really more about Tom Woods and Jeff Deist and people like that. I kind of rose up over the years and have been more One of the more prominent members now. But at the time, they were demanding that they all sign this pledge, and they all refused. Like, all the people in my camp refused, and they were like, yo, this is fucking stupid, we're not doing this. And this became a big issue. And to this day, I get random people like in that world who are like, you're, you're too soft on the alt-right. You know, to this day, there are people who still say this. And it's like, it's not that they're wrong technically, in the same sense that it's not like you're technically wrong if you said Saddam Hussein is an authoritarian. It's just that I'm gonna focus my energy on George W. Bush trying to launch this war in Iraq, because I think that's more of actually the issue. of the thing we should be against. Does that make sense? It's like, yeah, I know, I know. Like, I have to be concerned about the rise of fascism because 200 people marched in 2017 with some torches and some fucking khaki pants shorts in Charlottesville. Meanwhile, our government has gone Legit fascist since then. Like, what do you think is a more important thing to focus on? I would, I would say the latter. I would say the latter is a slightly more important thing to focus on. And there's something about when people start focusing on the prior, and, and that's what gets them outraged, and the latter they may even say they resist. But it doesn't seem to get them quite as outraged that people just start smelling something on you. And that's when they start going, nah, dude, you're like— and then, and look, I know you'll get called a lot of things online that you're not necessarily, but they'll be like, yo, you're a fed. You're a fed. I can just smell on you. You're a fucking plant and you're working for the other side. I think all of that If you understand the point that I'm making here, you're gonna understand a lot more why this video is getting ratioed from, I mean, something from the gods. I don't know. Any thoughts on any of that, Rob?

Uh, so basically you're saying they cut down people's ability to shine a light on important issues, uh, by using these little weasel tricks of going, Like, hey, we support white nationalism, which we obviously don't.

Yeah.

With that said, just for technical accuracy, I guess in this case Reason did have a conversation with him.

Well, I think— and to be honest, I think that hurts them more, because what happened is— and look, to be fair, this is Liz Wolf who put out this video. She wasn't on the call. It was Nick and Zak who were, who were on the, uh, the interview with, um, with RFK Jr. But Reason, nonetheless, they're a publication or whatever, an organization. And so they have a week or so, a week or 2 weeks before this video comes out, they have an interview with RFK and they talk to him. And I'll tell you, they gave him some pushback. I thought RFK did a decent job at some of the difficult questions they asked. I thought there were some that he could have done better, and I wasn't completely happy with some of his responses. But overall, as an interview, I thought he did pretty good. And then like a week later, they just launched this hit piece with all these things, most of which was not brought up in the interview. And also within In the context of what's going on, obviously, as we all know, has been probably one of the biggest political stories in the nation, is that all the experts are saying they're unwilling to debate this guy. And now he's just debating journalists who don't know anything about what he's talking about. And so he— It's just this very weird dynamic when you know that it, as an organization, Reason should know that, look, at this point right now, the big story is that none of these experts are willing to debate him. And by the way, they're not just not willing to debate him, they're not willing to debate McCullough or fucking any of the other experts who dissent from them. None of them will do that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who's willing to go? Who's willing to go debate any of the experts who have dissented from the COVID regime, who are opposed, who said lockdowns are wrong, mandates were wrong, the vaccine is not what they sold it to be? Who's willing to go have that debate? Because there's plenty of experts who disagree with all of that stuff. Okay, so now it becomes this thing where, like, you know, one of the biggest stories was this Hotez guy refusing to go debate him, uh, RFK, on the biggest show in the world. Okay, he wouldn't do that. You have him, he's willing to come on, on, on the Reason podcast and, and talk to Zach and Nick. Okay, they give him some pushback, he has his responses, and then you're gonna like a week later come out with this hit piece with all these things that you didn't ask him at the time, and then all these things that kind of seem to ignore what he said to the, the pushback, or at least like not take it into account. It's just not— it's not a good move. It's not a good move for a reason, and they're, they're paying the price now. It, it reminds me of the crystal ball thing where there's something— there's something kind of interesting about this moment where you don't just see like, um, you know, me and you have done, uh, shows before where we rustled some feathers. from our audience members, and that's okay. That's good to do sometimes. But this is more like a revolt, you know? Like, you're like, geez, man, you're in this space where these people are your listeners and they are telling you on every level they are furious at what you're doing. Now, on, on one hand, I would say it's good If you can do that sometimes. That, that does show some integrity, at least theoretically. Like, it's good. There, there's been times before where I've taken positions that I knew were— it was gonna bother the people listening, and I believed it enough that I was like, you know what, I, I gotta do this, and I'll, I'll make the calculation overall that, you know what, Having integrity is more important than not having integrity. And I don't wanna do this if I'm not telling you the truth as I see it. And we'll see what happens. There's a few examples that pop up to me, but I remember during 2020, I was really vocally critical of the Black Lives Matter riots because I don't really tolerate just destroying people's property and assaulting people and murdering people. And this was happening all across the country. And I don't really care how you feel about police brutality. I do— you have no right to go around assaulting people and vandalizing their property. And so I was, uh, a lot of people who were opposed to— agreed with me on that were getting on board. And then When, uh, when that Chauvin guy got convicted, I remember like tweeting and podcasting about how great I thought it was that he got convicted for murder. And I got a lot of people responding to me and they're like, oh, so you're selling out now, Dave? Oh, so you're like, you're— you agree with CNN? And I'm like, sure, if they agree with this, then sure, I agree with them. Like, I don't know who you think I am. That just because I'm against fucking rioting, that I don't think that this fucking pig who fucking kneeled on some guy's neck who was handcuffed on the ground shouldn't fucking— I don't give a shit. Fuck that guy. If he found some guy with an unregistered gun, he would have no hesitation to throw him in handcuffs and throw him in a cage for fucking a decade or whatever the fuck the sentence is. So fuck him, I don't care, you know? And I'm happy, I'll go to war on that point with anyone who wants to argue about it with me, fine. And there's been lots of examples like that. Um, I, you know, I, I, um, I, I, I don't know, there's lots of examples of that where I remember, um, being on Tim Pool's show, and almost every time I go on Tim Pool's show, I get nothing but a great response. But there was one time I went on where I just shit on Trump and then Tim was kind of arguing with me and the whole episode turned into me just shitting on Trump. And I got a lot of heat. I got a lot of bad responses from that episode. But it was like, eh, I don't know. I believe in this and so I'm gonna— so I'm not saying that like you should never do something that will piss off your own audience. But if you do piss off your own audience to such an extent I think it's reasonable to say maybe if you have some humility, listen, listen to what they're saying and like really think through whether or not there's something here that you're missing or there's something here that they are responding to that's legitimate. That's all I'm saying. I'm not— it doesn't prove anything that your audience is furious at you, but man. Their audience is furious at them. All right, let's, let's jump into the video a little bit, and I think maybe touch on some things. By the way, one more thing before we get into this. I'll also make the point that, Rob, you, I believe, just did an episode where you were like pretty, pretty heavily critical of RFK and saying that he's playing some unfair games in his, uh, in the positions that he's taking on, on vaccines. Is that correct?

Yeah, go check it out. It's 2 episodes back, starts with Bobby the Bank. It's about 25 minutes in. And to give you the very short criticism, I've watched— I've watched him in 5 different locations now, and I can't tell you what his opinion is. And from kinda being decent with watching debate tricks and knowing the way people present information, it seems like he purposely doesn't want to give a a clearer opinion on what his— on what specifically his opinion is, because I don't think he wants to be pinned down on, on the topic. And that includes things like— just the short version of it is it includes things like, it's not my signature issue. Yeah, but you're talking quite a bit about regulatory capture. And so if this is a version of regulatory capture that the vaccine companies have taken over and put out these products, so it sounds like you would be initiating a change to this product. Or he likes to go, I love vaccines. Well, it sounds to me like you want to get rid of 99% of them, or I don't know what 2 out of 70 is, but it sounds like you're trying to get rid of most of them.

Not 99, but close enough.

Right.

So it doesn't sound like— so that's not really technically accurate. I mean, it might be technically accurate that he loves vaccine technology, but only if it's been double placebo. But that's not a very honest way of presenting the fact that you would like to get most of the vaccines off the market. And so, tell me what my opinion is and where I got it wrong. Now, the news kind of presents the information in a way that allows him to take that approach, but that also doesn't allow me to really get a full understanding of what his opinion is. And just the last trick, because this one I would say is the most important, is that the entire conversation needs— by the way, I'm not pro-vaccines. I don't know enough about it. But the way that I would want to evaluate that information is the risk versus reward. So is it overwhelmingly positive or is it overwhelmingly bad? If there's select vaccines that have, you know, problems, guess what? Every time someone gets into a car, they're at risk for, you know, for a car accident. Guess what? I think that overwhelmingly we should use carbon and continue to grow our economy. Does that mean that there's no effect on the environment? Of course there is. Can you tell me scattered stories of corporations that have gone too far with pollution? and the negative effects that it's had on kids? Yes. Does that mean that we should shut down, become Amish, and not have any technology or economic growth? That's not my perspective.

Right.

But I think because of the car accidents on the road, no one should be able to drive a car to work? No. And that's the wrong way to look at information. So just thus far, the more honest approach would be, hey, most vaccines have not been double-blind placebo tested. Here's why we need that in order to have a safety profile. And I actually think if you look at the numbers, they're more dangerous than they are helpful. He hasn't. From every debate that I've watched, which is now 6 or 7 or 4 or 5 podcasts, that's not the conversation.

Well, look, okay, so I agree with you on that, that the question has to be kind of like, what is the risk versus reward? It can't just be narrowed down to like, well, here are the negatives. The thing that I think the— I don't know what the, you know, the mainstream For lack of better term. They allow him to get away with this because they, they don't— what you would want to see, and this is why I think so much, so many of us want to see a debate about these issues, is that what you would want to see is them start an interview like, hey, so what exactly is your position? on vaccines? What exactly is your position on the MMR vaccine? What exactly is your position on the COVID vaccine? And I think the Rogan podcast was probably the best one where they— he was just kind of asking questions like that. But what happens with a lot of these interviews is the crystal ball thing where they'll go, well, listen, you are pushing discredited false bullshit about the vaccines and And then that allows him to go, well, what am I wrong about? What's false? What, you tell me what's false in my position. And then he comes off being like the guy who's like, yeah, okay, that's a reasonable response to that question. But to your point, it does seem like sometimes he is kind of a, he's saying, look, I just think they should be tested more, or I just think this, and I have nothing against vaccines. And then sometimes it seems like he's saying, you know, no, I believe that these are a contributing factor to autism and to all of these chronic illnesses. And but it, it, even if they are a contributing factor to those things, which is debatable, but you'd still want to go, okay, but then what's the benefit? What's the benefit versus what the cost is? Because that's the only way you actually make— because there's no, like, to your point, there's no question. cars are a contributing factor to automobile accidents. They're the major—

It might be a significant factor for death in the United States of America, right? We tolerate it.

But you'd also say, yes, but they also create like all of this opportunity and for economic growth and freedom and all of these things. Okay, so I, I think all of that's fair, but I just almost want to make it clear that Me and you are not coming from this position like we really have a dog in this fight. I'm, I'm not coming at this from a position of like, I'm anti-vax and I want the thing to be that these vaccines cause all these problems. I don't know. I do not know. And we can get into this a little bit more. Let's, let's jump.

I just wish I got the HPV vaccine earlier. That's all I wish from my life.

You really should have. Okay, let's jump into this video and, and start off here. The nonprofit Children's Health Defense, which warns of the poss—

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Talk, Kel.

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You gotta just save.

You're right in my way. I cannot see.

It might seem like I'm in your way. I'm trying to figure some shit out.

I'm in the low ground.

Jacob.

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Yeah, I died in the storm.

You died in the storm?

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to turn around.

Jeez.

But I got 6.

All right, let's see what we can do here. People can hear us. Uh, we got a lot. We have some.

Hey, hey, hey!

Welcome to The Pharma Problem. I'm Dr. Fuchs. This is Dr. Craps—

Krauts.

What's your last name?

I'm not— I'm not on this.

Yes, you are, Doctor.

Fuchs.

There's 2 Dr. Fuchs here, you know, because that's the way it should have been.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

What?

Just kidding. Awkward. There we go. Now they can't see me.

Harvey!

Let's go lock him here.

Or TikTok. Harvey, did you lock Harvey out?

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All right, let's do it.

Cool. All right.

What are you looking at?

Instagram.

What on Instagram?

That one.

There's a connection. Nice. Let's see here.

Looking for some bad guys.

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All right.

It isn't a rare occurrence nowadays for a rapper or a singer To bring up the Illuminati in one of their songs, but more than two decades ago, that is the exact thing that Wu-Tang did at a time that nobody in the industry was warning us about the Illuminati. In 1998, rapper Razkaz released the song "The End," and at the very end of the song, there was an excerpt from a Jordan Maxwell interview.

In the interview.

He was dropping straight knowledge about Illuminati. One year later, in 1999, Wu-Tang released Wu Chronicles Chapter 1, a compilation album that featured multiple artists. And on that album, Wu-Tang put Raskaz's song The End and kept the Jordan Maxwell outro on it. This is that exact outro. Check this shit out.

But for the average person out there, they've never heard this term.

Jordan, explain to people what Illuminati means.

Well, it comes from—

the word Illuminati comes from the Latin word illuminare or illumine, which means light. And so anyone who is enlightened or brilliant, of course those who are the most enlightened are called brilliant. Well, it comes from Lucifer.

What we're really talking about here is Lucifer, the fallen angel.

As I was saying, it implies those who hold the light, the enlightened ones. And they sent us a statue. As a matter of fact, those ancient Illuminati sent us a statue called the Statue of Liberty. It's holding the torch, the torch of illumination, which is the Promethean torch of Freemasonry. And if you go to the Statue of Liberty, you'll see a bronze plaque inside saying that this was given to the government of America by the French Grand Orient Temple Masons. And it is a symbol of Grand Orient Freemasonry in America, the holder of the light. That's exactly the same torch that is carried during the Olympics. It is the torch of obedience.

It's not the torch of freedom. No, it's the torch of the Illuminati.

Illumination.

It isn't a rare occurrence nowadays for a rapper or a singer to bring Alaska doing a lawsuit.

We're way out in the Aleutian Islands. Getting ready to leave and go back to Anchorage and then home. And I had a ticket in my pocket to get on an airplane. A pastor came up and he said, listen, I can save you money. I said, how's that? He said, I flew a small airplane up here and I fly a small airplane and I can take you in my little airplane and you can save your ticket. And this did not sound— I said, gee, thank you so very, very I don't think I'm going to do very much, but I've got this ticket. We'll just make our way on home, me and this other lawyer with me. He said, no, no, no, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. And against every better judgment I had, I said okay. Well, we went out to the airport, took a spy's little plane, and I looked at it and I thought, well, one good thing, it's shiny. Then he walked around it, we got in, He's on the left front, I'm on the right front, the other lawyer's sitting right behind me. And he started it up, and it started up just fine. Well, we taxied out. I said, should we pray? He said, yeah, that's a good idea, we normally don't. I said, well, this time we're gonna. And I'm telling you, I prayed 5, 8 minutes.

I prayed a long time.

We went and got on the runway. He starts down the runway. The plane lifted off ever so gently and we start climbing and it's wonderful. Not a problem in the world. We started climbing and we flew probably 3, 4 minutes and something happened that will never leave my mind. The pilot turned to me and he said, we're going in the clouds and I can't fly in clouds. They make me pass out. I said, clouds make you do what? Now it's been cloudy all day, and we go right up into the clouds and you can't see anything. And he looks at me and his eyes roll back in his head.

Oh.

And he starts mumbling and he passes out. Passed out cold. Now I grabbed him and I shook him and I said, come on, you got to wake up so I can kill you. Now we're in the clouds flying along with no pilot, and my friend in the back seat He said, we're dead, aren't we? I said, there's a very good chance of that, yes. He said, what are we gonna do? I said, I don't know. But there was a radio right there, and I handed him the microphone and I said, start asking for help. So he's in the back seat reaching up and he said, hello, hello. We didn't know any proper radio etiquette.

All we were saying was hello.

And somebody answered back, hello, hello, don't you guys know proper radio etiquette? And I said, yeah, I said, we don't know nothing. Tell him we're in an airplane with a passed-out pilot and we don't know how to fly this plane. The guy said, I'm a freighter flying out of Anchorage on the way to Tokyo. And he said, you're telling me you have nobody who can fly that plane with you? I said, tell him that's correct. Now you gotta understand, I am sweating bullets. He said, the first thing I'm gonna do is start circling so I don't lose you, because I'll fly out of range of your radio and you won't have me anymore. And he said, I'm gonna get Anchorage We have an emergency for you. An Anchorage emergency will be the people that can maybe help you, try to save your life. After about 5 minutes, Anchorage came on, said, we understand you have a passed-out pilot and those of you do not know how to fly that plane. We said, that's right. They said, well, the first thing we got to do is find you. And I'll never forget what this man at Anchorage said. He said, my job is to get you home safe. He said, that's my job. But he said, here's the deal. If you want me to get you home safe, you gotta promise me you'll obey my voice. He said, you can't see me, but I can see you. And he said, if you're not gonna obey my voice, you're gonna die. When you can't see anything, you have no idea how disorientated you become. Finally, he said, okay, I found you. Now hear me clear. He said, you're 4 minutes from a mountain. He said, you're gonna crash in that mountain and die.

I'm sorry.

Follow my voice. I never said, I have to follow your voice. Is that reasonable? You see, I understood without his voice I had nothing. And do you understand, without God's voice you have nothing.

Nothing.

Nothing. Finally, he got us turned and he said, I'm freezing all the traffic in the area. He said, it's going to take me an hour and a half to get you to Anchorage, and there's a lot of weather between you and Anchorage. You're in for a rough ride. And he said, I want you to hear me. I don't want you to look at what's going on outside. I don't want you to pay attention to the storm, just my voice. And he said, if you start watching the storm, you will die, but I'll take you through it.

Wow.

Now, because they cleared all the traffic, several pilots, those nighttime Freighters, those 747s started talking to us. They said, we're praying for you, Ben. You're gonna make it.

I missed COVID.

I know, dude.

You know what I knew?

There was trouble when anyone that came to our country didn't have to get a vaccine. And I go, if you're telling me I can't go to work, but everyone Everyone coming in doesn't have to get one.

I go, well, once we found out, once Fauci said, okay, I'm sorry, if you've had 2 boosters and 2 vaccines, you can get and give COVID to another guy who's had 5 vaccines and 4 boosters. What's the difference between a vaccine and booster? I don't know, it's just more vaccine, but booster sounds better. Anyway, a guy with 25 vaccines would get and give COVID to another guy with 25 vaccines. That's why I'm introducing the daily COVID shot. Every day you get a shot. By the time you get to your car, you got no immunity, but it's a beautiful 39 seconds. I missed COVID.

I know.

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But I am telling you, I was a police officer for 20 years.

I was friends with a tiny homeless man, 4-foot-9 homeless man. After 15 years, one day he just said, Dave, it's time I tell you my life story.

Really?

He told me the craziest story I could ever have heard as a police officer. Uh, 10 days later he gets killed in a really bizarre way. So I was working off-duty job at the movie theater in uniform, and this tiny little dude would come in, and, uh, you know, just like you just see somebody over and over, and that's how relationships start, you know, just go approach people, you know.

What happened? Yeah, hide. Hide over here.

See him every day, sort of the nods, and started asking because he was always in the movies. So I would ask him about the movie he just saw, and that's kind of how the relationship started. And then I would see him out on the streets, and we would talk more and more. And this guy, this little guy, had such knowledge about the world. Now, the other thing I want to stop and say is I tried getting him off the streets. You know, I tried to say, hey, you know, we have shelters. They have these programs. I have this. What can I do to help?

Yeah.

But as you mentioned, you said the word Baker, and cops know what that means in Florida. For the rest of us, you know, it's a mental illness where a Baker Act means that the person is a danger to themselves or to others, and if we left them alone untreated, you know, they would cause harm to themselves. My little guy never met that criteria that, you know, I could force him into a hospital or into some type of doctor's care. So we just stay friends And I kind of had that, you know, you just kind of get that feeling, um, that the guy doesn't want you to peer too much into his past.

And I didn't.

So we would just talk about politics and laugh a lot. So fast forward 15 years of this friendship, of just meeting for coffee, having a sandwich, and interesting, the eye one day, I says, Dave, I got to tell you who I really am. So as cops, yeah, we're a skeptical bunch. So I'm like, all right, here it is. He's gonna tell me he's wanted here. I killed these people in here. I'm about to turn myself in. I don't know what he's gonna say, but I'm super nervous because I really did enjoy talking to the guy. I really thought, uh, he had a lot of interesting philosophical ideas that he would actually, you know, constantly prep me and test me. So here's a homeless guy kind of teaching me.

Yeah.

And that's the other thing about being humble is everyone on this earth can teach you something. So I was picking up stuff from him. Learning stuff from him. So what does he say? He says, Dave, I was the smallest man ever served in the U.S. military, and my mind's like impossible. But he keeps going. He goes, yeah, I served over in Vietnam with the 101st Airborne, and then after my first tour, I went back to Special Forces School and became a Green Beret. I was like, a Green Beret?

Yeah.

So it's like now the story's getting even crazier. And then after, I started working undercover operations with the ATF, and I don't want you to look into those things because, you know, those things— some of those things are still classified. And then I did some private military contract work. I did some private military contract for the CIA. And I'm like, he's got his story down, and I love my friend, but man, he's obviously much more delusional than I can possibly believe. He starts telling me this information. I'm getting nervous that maybe he wasn't really, you know, as mentally stable as I thought.

Okay.

So, so, I mean, I just left that, you know, with a real shaken feeling and feeling bad because, you know, it's like now from now on I kind of look at him as somebody really much more damaged than I initially thought. So I go home that night and I'm taking off my uniform and I'm not even gonna think about whatever, let me check on the, you know, Google who is the smallest guy. All of a sudden these old newspaper articles, smallest man wants to join the military, smallest man wants to become a Green Beret. And it's him.

Oh my God.

So I'm like, holy shit, the most interesting human being on the face of the earth, the most remarkable, the most incredible, has been living here in Aventura on the streets. And he slept under a tree, and a million people every day would pass him by and not even give him a look. And this is the most interesting man in the entire earth. So I ran back to him the next day, and he looked at my face and goes, hey, you didn't believe me. I knew it when I was telling you the story. Now you believe me. So I was like, yeah. And he goes, look— I said, Rich, why'd you tell me? He goes, look, you know, I feel like my life is a cautionary tale of what went wrong when I got out of the military in Vietnam and how I eventually became homeless. And somehow, he goes, Dave, somehow I want you to tell my story. And I'm thinking to myself, well, I mean, you know, eventually I'll just collect his information and I'll just, you know, try to find the real filmmaker, a real writer to take over. this thing, and, you know, for the next 2 years I'll interview Richard. That's the mistake we all make.

Yeah.

We think we have time with people, and you just never know. So 10 days after he made this incredible revelation, he gets killed in a really bizarre hit and run. We could jump into the hit and run, you know, a little bit later, and I have no problem talking about it. I usually don't promote it because it's just, it's just such an ugly, negative thing, but we can We can certainly talk about it as cops, especially since the suspect worked for Miami-Dade Homicide Unit.

This is Richard's.

The New York Times and CNN shared a story with Photos of immigrant children in cages. It turns out the photos were from 2014 during the Obama administration. CNN edited a video to make it appear as though Trump impatiently dumped a box of fish food into the water in Japan. The full video showed Trump had simply followed the lead of Japan's prime minister. In December 2018, NBC reported Trump was the first president since 2002 not to visit the troops. Oh my God. In November 2019, Newsweek falsely reported that President Trump was spending Thanksgiving golfing in Florida. He was actually in Afghanistan serving dinner to U.S. troops. Time incorrectly reported that President Trump had removed the bust statue of Martin Luther King Jr. from the Oval Office. That false news went viral. TMZ reported Trump had changed the name Black History Month to Black History Month to African American History Month, implying the change was racist.

Is that not true?

Turns out Presidents Obama, George W. Bush, and Clinton all called Black History Month African American History Month. Also, the Washington Post reported on the cabinet battle over Trump's immigration order. The article was repeatedly updated to note that one of the reported meetings did not actually occur, a conference call did not happen as described in the article, and actions attributed to Trump Were actually carried out by his chief of staff, and the New York Times reported on supposed contacts between Trump campaign staff and senior Russian intelligence officials. FBI Director James Comey later testified it was not true.

That report by the New York Times was not true.

Is that a fair statement?

Yeah, in the main, it was not true. Credo che sia molto importante che la gente.

In May, the BBC and the Guardian reported because Trump wasn't wearing headsets, he didn't bother to listen. Listen to the translation of a speech by Italy's prime minister.

Per lo sviluppo dell'Africa.

But Trump was wearing his earpiece in his right ear, as always, said the White House. In June 2017, NBC News reported that Russian President Putin said he had compromising information about Trump. Actually, Putin said the opposite. Do you have something damaging on our president?

Well, this is just not a lot of Nazis.

Where would we get this information from?

CNN and ABC closely reported that FBI Director Comey was going to refute Donald Trump's claim that Comey had said 3 times he wasn't under investigation. Instead, Comey confirmed Trump's claim under oath. It appears that you actually volunteered that assurance. Is that correct?

That's correct.

CNN retracted a report claiming Congress was investigating a Russian investment fund with ties to Trump officials. Newsweek reported Poland's first lady refused to shake Trump's hand, but later acknowledged she did. Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal falsely reported special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed Trump's bank records. AP reported a new survey showed trust in the media had fallen during the Trump presidency, but the survey was actually conducted under President Obama. The New York Times said a hypothetical family's tax bill would rise nearly $4,000 under Under Trump's tax plan, it turns out their taxes would actually go down $43. ABC aired video purportedly showing a slaughter and horrific report of atrocities against Kurds by Turkey after President Trump withdrew U.S. troops.

This video right here appearing to show Turkey's military bombing Kurd civilians in a Syrian border town.

But the video was file tape of a training video in the U.S. CBS aired a story in March of 2020 who supposedly A week later, CBS News mistakenly used the Italy video again. The New York Times and CNN shared a story with photos of immigrant children in cages. It turns out the photos were from 2014 during the Obama administration. CNN edited a video to make it appear as though Trump impatiently dumped a box of fish food into the water in Japan.

Let's see what we got here.

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I am Wiener Man.

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Do you see the health?

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You know what?

Fuck this game.

I'm gonna play the one—