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In this May 2023 episode of The Pharma Problem, host Dave Smith is joined by co‑host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein and guest Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The show opens with repeated sponsor reads for MePod (nicotine vape pens, promo code GAS), Noom weight‑loss, and Füm habit‑breaking devices. Smith then promotes his upcoming stand‑up comedy specials, tour dates, and a UK run, while Bernstein advertises his porch‑tour gigs. The core discussion centers on RFK Jr.’s 2024 presidential campaign, emphasizing his deliberate use of independent podcasts to bypass what he and Smith describe as a hostile corporate‑media ecosystem. They note his viral interview clip on Crystal Ball’s show, its backlash, and the broader audience dynamics of listeners seeking “alternative” content. The conversation shifts to a heated excerpt with Krystal Ball, where she challenges RFK Jr.’s vaccine‑autism claims. Smith and Bernstein critique Ball’s debate tactics, labeling them as “corporate press” maneuvers that alienate truth‑seeking listeners. Throughout, the hosts intersperse commentary on political polarization, anti‑war sentiment, and the difficulty of engaging mainstream‑media‑trained audiences. The episode blends promotional content, comedy‑tour announcements, political analysis, and a meta‑discussion on how media formats shape public discourse.
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We need to roll back the state. We spy on all of our own citizens. We have a lot If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now. Every single one of you probably knows all the governors in the nation today. What's up everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm Dave Smith, she is Robbie the Fireburner.
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Talking about now, real fun time, great people there. Uh, big thanks to Brian who owns the place, he was fantastic all weekend. Can't wait to be back there, great shows. You had fun, Rob?
Yeah, I had a good time in Florida. I went out, uh, Sunday night Uh, in St. Petersburg, just roaming around. There was this great band playing and it was—
Oh, you stayed? You didn't come home?
Yeah, I partied on Sunday.
You canceled your flight?
Yeah, I moved it to Monday. I wasn't getting up at 7 in the morning. You're a crazy person. I don't have kids here. What am I doing?
I couldn't find you a better flight time. I should have known if I book you a 7 AM flight, you go, Rob's just not getting on this flight. I may never see Rob again. You can listen to rock bands for free and smoke indoors.
That's a good— that, that's a good advantage. You don't smoke indoors there. At least the cigar bar I was at, they—
Uh, no, that's a— I think cigar places like have the last out.
Okay.
I think it's like, uh, hookah bars and cigar-like places are like the last places anywhere where you can actually just smoke inside, uh, which is— it's a weird feeling because it's like a throwback. Like, you Me and you are of— we're old enough that we remember a time when you could smoke in a bar. Now, we were in the bar illegally at the time, probably, but still. Like, when I first started going to bars, even like legally going to bars, was like when— I can't remember, maybe it was like fake ID times before I could actually get into a bar, but I remember it was when the policy went into effect in New York, and we were one of the first ones that were like, Smoking's illegal here. And, uh, a lot of the bars back then were like, uh, openly defying the law because they were just like, you know, it's like telling an Irish person you can't have whiskey anymore. Like, this is our way of life. There's no way, there's no possibility we can change this. But eventually they all, they all ditched out.
I, I prefer no smoking in bars because I remember the way it would sink into your clothes.
Oh, it sure was.
If I'm ever in a spot now that allows Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that.
Goddamn, do I understand that. All right, anyway, great time in Tampa. That's cool that you hung out more. Uh, we got— we had a whole crew, uh, of great people who came out on, uh, on, on the Saturday night shows. We had a bunch of people from the, the Liberty World, uh, Top Lobster was there, Clint Russell was there, Jose Galvez came out, Mark Claire came out. Um, I apologize if I'm missing anybody, but, crossing uh, it was a great time.
Yeah, it was a great time.
anybody, uh, but it was a great group, um, and the fucking—
we—
the crowds were packed out all weekend. Just a lot of fun. Speaking of, um, okay, I have a couple announcements to make. Okay, the big announcement I don't think I've said on this show yet, uh, is that I will be filming a new 30-minute, uh, stand-up comedy special in, uh, July. Um, as last I checked, me and Jake Gomez are both recording half hours on the same night. As last I checked, there were a few tickets remaining. These are going to be gone soon, so if you want— Ah, fuck me, dude. City at the Cutting Room while I film the, uh, the follow-up to Libertas. Uh, come on out, gasdigital.com/30. That's where you can get the tickets. And there's also tickets— there's a whole group of, uh, great comics who are, are doing half hours. Uh, um, just great. Kurt Metzger Uh, Rich Voss, Colin Terrell with his debut, uh, special, which I'm really excited to, uh, to see. Um, there's gonna be a lot. It's just gonna be a great time. Go grab some of the tickets there if you can. I know the me and Lewis nights are almost out. Um, but if you can't get into those, come to one of the other ones because there's just— they're all great. Everyone, uh, who's doing a really, really strong stand-ups. So come on out to that. Uh, uh, June 9th through 11th. Uh, I am headlining the comedy Mothership. Friday night is sold out and the early show Saturday is sold out already. There are still tickets, I believe, for the late show on Saturday and the show on Sunday. Go grab— they're gonna sell out real soon, so go grab those if you want to come. I really want as many of my fans to be there. Um, you know, I know it will fill up with Joe Rogan fans, but I want my people in the crowd. Um, so yeah, go move on both of those quickly if you want to come out. And then of course me and Rob, uh, what is it, in a week or so, we'll be out in Syracuse at the, uh, at the Funny Bone out there. That should be a lot of fun. Then we got a bunch of stuff coming up throughout the rest of the year. We're, we're working— this is not done yet, but we're working on putting a little UK run together, uh, for later in the fall. Um, that I'm very excited about, the, the possibility of that. Um, and just a bunch of other stuff. The Legion of Stamps Theater. ComicDaveSmith.com for everything. Go up there. Rob, what do you got to plug? And then let's get into some stuff.
Yes, uh, porch tour dates I have every Saturday through the end of the summer, so that'll be up on my website, RobbyTheFire.com. If you live within a 3-hour ride from one of those locations and you think you got a porch for me, I'll extend Friday, Sunday. So hit me up, RobsNewsroom@gmail.com. And then this weekend I will be at Children's which is one of the funnest gigs I do all year. So if you're out in the Texas area, there's tickets for the Saturday stand-up music show and ceremony to get rid of the World Economic Forum.
Oh yeah, that's— I've never made it out to Childressburg. I'm going to one of these years, but everyone always tells me it's like the most fun thing to do. So that's awesome. Rob is going to really— he's a game changer. Rob is, no matter how big he gets in stand-up, He's always gonna just be on a bigger porch.
Like, it'll just—
it'll be like an arena-sized porch in 5 years.
I hope so. For the summer, gotta get those porch vibes.
All right, so I wanted to, uh, uh, so the first thing I want to hit on, on the show today is just something that I wanted to talk about. I, I had tweeted a thing out about it, and, um, so, uh, we— I just recently interviewed interviewed Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the show. The episode is going viral. People really seem to like it. I thought it was great. I was very impressed with the guy. The same day that I interviewed him about that, he— the day before he had recorded this, and it was released on the same day that I interviewed him. And he was on Breaking Points. It was one of the most popular, like, online news shows.
They—
it's Crystal Ball and Cigar and Jetty. Uh, they, they used to be over at The Hill. They left and went like independent. Um, and so he was on with them and there was this segment toward the end of it that went super, super viral and has been getting, uh, from what I saw, uh, Crystal Ball has been taking no end of heat for this.
Mm-hmm.
Um, we didn't, uh, uh, we, we haven't had like an in-studio episode since this happened and we, we did the live episode out in Tampa, but it just didn't It didn't seem right to like get into it on the live episode for, you know, it wasn't the right vibe. But I did want to talk about this because I found this to be, um, very interesting, uh, and very like just for a lot of different layers of the way this went down and the reaction to it online really kind of said something about where the people are at. And when I say the people, I mean the type of people who consume content like this show. The people who go to, you know, the internet independent shows for their, their kind of like news commentary and life coverage. And where the— this whole new ecosystem has its roots. But one of the first thoughts that I was interested in is that RFK was able to carry out a strategy for his campaign, um, that was a very counter-strategy, um, to the, the traditional television media, um, on my podcast, is that he's— I think his campaign has recognized, and I think this is very savvy, that they've recognized that they are not going to get a fair shake in the corporate regime media.
Right.
That's not going to happen. They've— we've already seen ABC will censor him and then tell you he said things that are wrong, so we can't let you hear them. That's not— If that's not a fair shake, I don't know what else you could call it. Um, or if that's a fair— whatever, you get what I'm saying. Uh, so he's like, I'm gonna hit the podcast scene. And there's so many of these podcasts now that have big audiences. He can come on our podcast. I'm gonna get you as many people as MSNBC is gonna get you, you know, like, might as well come here. Um, and so he's hitting all of these podcasts. And there we go. What's interesting about it is it's, it's just a different format. It's a different standard. You know, there are, uh, you just can't get away with the same type of bullshit that you can on, uh, in the corporate press. And that suits someone like RFK because he actually has a lot to say and he's actually thought about his, his opinions.
On that note, uh, the episode you did with him was terrific, and it was surprising. Even though there's probably policies that I wouldn't agree with him on, he's like an old He seems like an old-school politician, or at least what I would imagine, I guess, with my image of what a politician should be, and that he seems to actually have a handle on the issues. Like, he has something more than a 2-minute talking point.
Yes.
That the CIA or Donald Trump just talking out of his ass about, well, it's a trade problem. He actually seems to have done his homework and that he's been involved in following these issues for a lifetime and has like at least a statement. There are definitely policies Probably social policies that we just wouldn't agree with him. But on some crucial issues, Jesus, it seems like he's an adult in the room who's done some homework and is opposing the deep state. Yeah.
You know, Jeff Deist, when I had him on a couple of weeks ago, he said— I've heard him say this before, but he goes, you know, at this point, the bar is pretty low for politicians. And he goes, the first question I ask myself is, do they hate my guts? Like, that's the number one question I ask. Like, does this guy hate my guts? And that really hits home with me because there's a lot that eliminates probably like 80% of politicians today. You know what I mean? Like, does this guy personally, does he hate my guts? Okay, if that's the case, then you don't get my support. But kind of what you're saying reminds me of that, where you're like, the bar is just so low that the standard is It isn't like, hey, look, if I were to really grill him about his policy on guns or the economy or some social policy, I'm sure there's large areas of disagreement between all of us. But it's like the lowest of bars. You're like, okay, this thing you have a strong opinion on, have you read a book on this subject? Have you, have you, you know, have you read more than an article like on this? There's like, like an entire book, a thing with 2 covers on it and actually thought about what you read. And like, he's a guy who like comes to it like whatever policy he's leading with, you feel like he's read 25 books on the subject, which should not be that much to ask for a guy who like, this is the world you specialize in. It's kind of like asking like, um, someone who wants to be a basketball commentator, have you watched a lot of basketball games before? He did would be the most minimum thing. But actually what you're saying is a comment on the state of politics, is that today it's impressive when you find that.
And it would be amazing to see the left get back to being anti-war, not pro just corporate profit, particularly in the, you know, medical arena, and not pro-censorship. And if we can make those corrections for what the left is championing, I mean, that corrects like 50 years of damage.
Yeah, you know, I get this, um, a lot because like I'm in the stand-up comedy world and I'm me, you know, and like who I am on this show. And that's a, a bit of an unusual thing. There's not too many people, you know what I mean, who are like outspoken, you know, anti-leftists, you know, or libertarians or whatever, anyone that's just outside of the crazy left shit. And I get, um, this has always happened to me. I mean, it's happened for years now, but a lot of liberal comedians who, like, I'm friends with, you know what I mean, who I've known for years, they just, as soon as they see me and we sit down, if we, like, grab a beer or something, like, confessions just start coming out of them because they just know I'm like the same. It's like I'm a priest. Like, if you hate the current left-wing shit, you know I'm the guy you can talk to who will, like, you know, keep the confidentiality. I'm not going to get you in trouble for this. You can open up to me. So I was talking a few weeks ago to— I'm not going to name him, but he's a, um, like a, a very, very good comic, um, who's like a liberal guy. He's always been a liberal guy, and he's kind of just in this world. And literally like the second he sees me, we sit down and he just starts going, man. He goes, he goes, I did— I don't even know anymore. Like, I just— maybe, maybe I'm a bad liberal, but I just don't think we should support the war in Ukraine. This just seems crazy to me, man. I'm like, We're against wars, right? You know what he's like? And then he goes, and I don't know, I guess like if you're 18 or over, like do whatever you want, but stop talking to kids about trans stuff. You know, he's just like starts coming out. And it's that there are— I don't know exactly what the percentage are, but they're not all— they haven't all been brainwashed. Like there are a certain, uh, percentage of them, and I think it's not a small one, who are like, look, man, I don't want to bring a world of problems into my life. my life. But if you ask me how I feel about this, it's like, it's just the most common sense shit.
I'm not—
I'm not saying he's great on every issue. He's just like, yeah, I don't know, if adults want to be trans, fine, but stop like pushing it on kids. What? We gotta fight a war over Ukraine? I mean, why does that matter? Like, why? You know? And so anyway, there's just a lot. And I think there's something about RFK's, uh, campaign that's very interesting. It's, it's, uh, You know, it's like a measuring stick. Like he's feeling the temperature of the water for all of us. And the fact that he's polling so well, it kind of indicates like there's something here, you know, like even amongst Democratic voters, he's polling like 20% in multiple polls. And then there was one amongst just like all voters where he was up in the 30s, I think. And so you're like, okay, there's something here.
The fact that he's not just being pushed into into a well considering what he wrote about Fauci and the climate we were in a year ago. Yeah, about Fauci being the god and don't question anything. So like, just the fact that he's able to, uh, be in polite society and not be having that reaction, uh, even that's corrective.
I mean, you're so right, dude. And just like the way you say, as you say it there, you know, it's the only thing I could think of is Ron Paul. It's like the only example I could think of that's kind of like that. Now, I'm not saying he's not Ron Paul. Nobody's Ron Paul. I'm not Ron Paul. Like, he's definitely not Ron Paul. I'm just saying, to the point you were making, it did— it is like if you heard what George W. Bush was saying in 2006, 2007, and then to see a Republican on stage polling very well who is saying the complete opposite, literally the exact opposite of what this This guy was saying is very— yeah, for a Democratic, but you know what I mean, like candidate to be saying what literally only a year and a half ago a certain percentage of Democratic leaders and voters might have supported jailing you for that.
Okay.
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But there's much more to So let me ask you about vaccines. This is an area where you and I have significant differences. And, you know, just to level with you on this, like, a lot of what you say I really respond to. I think you're a very genuine person. But the across-the-board, whether you want to call it vaccine skepticism or anti-vax advocacy, which has been a central Part of what you've been up to for the past number of years. For me personally, it's a it's an issue, and it's a it's a real sort of red line. And I know I'm not alone in that, especially running in a Democratic primary. Yeah, there are millions of people like me who have similar concerns. So how how do you win them over? What's your message to people who think like I do?
Just tell me, tell me where you think I got it wrong.
Well, I think you get it wrong when you. How do you draw a correlation between the rise of things like autism and the introduction of vaccines when there isn't hard scientific evidence tying those things together?
How do you know? Let me ask you this. How do you know there's not a hard scientific correlation?
Well, because the one major study that purported to show that was retracted and the scientist who conducted it was, you know, had to withdraw. Basically fraudulently created. Listen, I don't want to get in a debate with you about this because you've spent your life pulling out this data. I will tell you, let me just tell you, let me just tell you, I've listened to hours of interviews with you with an open mind, and I'm not persuaded. Now, maybe I'm wrong. That's possible. I'll hold it out there.
Oh my God. Let's pause it right here. So you can already see what she's doing, and it's, it's just, this is a very slimy tactic that again, this is a problem. And part of the reason why she— I don't know if you saw the truckload, but when I first checked it, it was like 1,000 upvotes and 10,000 dislikes on this post. This is her show, this is her platform, you know what I mean? And I think so right away, one of the things that jumps out to me that's very interesting is that we've talked about this dynamic before where there'll be people who are trying to cancel Joe Rogan, or there'll be people, you know, like Media Matters or whoever are trying to cancel Tim Pool or something like that, right? We've had some attempts at that, like against us. One of the things that I think they don't appreciate is that it is— it will do nothing to further your cause to cancel any of this stuff because it doesn't matter. It's almost like they're operating the same way they were operating on the assumption that if Donald Trump just went away, then we go back to normal. But the truth is that The reason Donald Trump is there is because normal's been rejected. Those Trump voters aren't going back to Mitt Romney. That's just not happening. That's not happening. And in the same sense, like, Joe Rogan's listeners aren't going back to CNN. No one's listening to me and you. And then if me and you disappear tomorrow, they're going to go, well, I guess I'm just, you know, I guess I'm just not listening to the kid guy again, or I'm just a Fox News guy again.
That's not happening.
The reason you have these audiences is because they crave something different. They crave a message that will spark something in them to see things a different way. And they are not— so in other words, she's using a corporate press tactic here. But you can't get away with that with these audiences that are looking for something different.
And this—
the woman who we're talking to doesn't know about the issue. First off, she needs to go over and just say correlation. I'm not driving up to that. She wants to say causation. There is a correlation. There's that. There's no argument about that. But for her to say, hey, look, let's talk about vaccines. And then she did this very— how do I describe this? A very female tactic where she starts by saying, I just want it to be known for everyone that I don't agree with her no-no opinion. Just, I just want everyone to know that I agree with you on lots of things, but I don't agree with you on this. And, you know, this is gonna turn a whole lot of people off because they also don't agree with you on this. So first off, you're just inserting yourself, saying, I don't like it. Okay, have an argument as to why you think it's wrong, you know what I mean? And then saying, oh, by the way, it's also unpopular. And it's just like this appeal to popularity. And then he has the perfect response to that. The perfect response for someone of integrity to have.
Fuck.
What do you think I get wrong? And then she says, uh, correlation is a causation between vaccines and autism. And he goes, okay, well, here's why I'm not wrong. She goes, well, there's one scientific paper. He goes, there's been hundreds of scientific papers. And then she immediately starts talking over him and going, I don't want you to be able to respond. This is just—you can't do this in our line of work. If you're gonna call someone out for something, you have to have something to offer. And when he goes, "Well, there's hundreds of studies," and she goes, "I don't want to hear about you." I know there's other videos, other things. You've done things. I've watched all your things. I'm not convinced. Like, oh, this is just bad, man. Like, you're just not allowed to do that in this field. And this unfortunately, this is going to stay with Christopher, of course, for a while. It's just you're not— people here, this is what's interesting about it, okay? This is where I'm at with this stuff, and I think this represents— I think I'm not alone. I think this represents a lot of people. I think most people like me several years ago, there's someone that had been saying, uh, oh, these vaccines all cause autism. And they're like, ah, that sounds a little kooky and out there for me, you know. Um, after the whole push with the COVID uh, insanity of the COVID vaccine, I'm kind of like, I wouldn't put it past them, you know, to like cover all this up. I'm listening. I don't know, is there evidence that I haven't like really, you know what I mean, like been exposed to? All right. And more so than anything, more— it's just not an issue for me.
Like I don't think we're going to be talking about MMR vaccine false optimism.
If anything, I kind of prefer it out of a presidential candidate. You're like, okay, so he's going to be real skeptical of big pharma. Okay, so he's going to believe this whole thing's kind of corrupt. That's good. I like that. What I think we've all become allergic to is this thing where someone's got an argument to make and you say, nope, your argument's this Dismissed because, quote, the experts won't allow that. I mean, this is only one step better than what ABC did to the guy. It's only one step better. I mean, okay, you didn't edit it out, but you're simply saying he's not allowed to make his argument. I, I want to introduce this next topic. By the way, in the off— I think you're wrong on the boring Ukraine. I think you're wrong. I'm not gonna— I'm not gonna have the argument with you. But you're wrong about it. You know what I mean? I don't know. Anything else you want to add on this? It's just, it's a really despicable tactic.
Well, it doesn't work in this field because I think the people who are listening to podcasts are actually interested in truth. And so if you're doing that, you're literally signaling to everyone, I'm not interested in finding out the truth here. I'm interested in, hey, I'm going to step in as the moral authority and just go, hey, you sitting right there, you're wrong and you're not allowed to comment because I'm a better person than you are, so I get to make that determination for everybody. And I just want everyone to know that I'm making that determination for everybody. It's kind of bitchy. I mean, I think that's kind of the way I would define it. But you can be bitchy while looking for truth or defending your opinion, and people will still accept it. It's when you signal to everyone you're uninterested in information or truth, when people made the decision, hey, I'm not going to listen to mainstream media because I know that they're doing that. I'm going to be over here because at least people are exploring and open to it. Like, the way to have that conversation is to go, either I've really done my homework and I wanted to debate you, or, hey, I haven't really had a total opportunity to dig in, but it seems very weird to me that health authorities are all recommending these vaccines and that, from what I understand, vaccines have really bettered mankind, and you seem to be saying that overwhelmingly people shouldn't get them because of autism. Can you explain that to me? And then let the guy talk. And then you can say, cool, I haven't had a chance to do my homework, thank you for, uh, for the insight. Or you can debate him and actually do your homework. But just to go, hey, I'm the moral authority, and, you know, any other information without me having done your homework, don't talk. Yeah, no one likes that. That's a losing proposition for, uh, trying to be the alternative of mainstream media with the proposition of, hey, I'll actually give you an honest take and real information.
Yeah, 100%. And that's exactly right. Okay, let's keep going a little bit.
Now, maybe I'm wrong. That's possible. I'll hold it out there. People can watch. I thought Megyn Kelly did a phenomenal interview with you. I really encourage people to watch that whole exchange because we won't be able to do it justice here in the 5 minutes we have left. But there are going to be people like me who aren't persuaded and who see this as an issue, and the fact that it's been such a central part Your advocacy means I can't just sort of put it to the side and say, ah, well, I'll just ignore, you know, this piece that's been really important to you in your life. So you're running in a Democratic primary. You have a lot of people who feel even more strongly than me who think that, you know, Dr. Fauci is a hero and all of these things. How are you going to persuade them? How are you going to reach them? And what is your message to them?
Well, first of all, I'm not leading with, you know, my opinions about vaccines. What I said was scientific. I've got scientific literature. I got my science from— I've written books about this. I, you know, I wrote a book about the link between dimorphism and autism that has, I think, 450 distilled scientific studies that have independently validated that hypothesis and 1,400 references. Thank you for that.
have shown you where things are wrong, but you don't want to hear it. Because I've seen, you know, numerous fact checks. Dr. Vinay Prasad, who we, you know, really respect on the COVID vaccine, he went through your interview with Allyn. He did a fact check. I mean, it's not—
I have a fact check of the night. You should read that.
I will take a look at it. But I don't think that it's fair to say nobody has ever pointed out anything that's been wrong.
Well, here's what I think. People complain about what I say, and again, I'm not leading on this issue. People can either take it or leave it. But if you want to, you know, what you just said about me, got him, hardheaded and stubborn and just won't give in. You're wrong about that. If somebody shows me where I'm wrong, I'm going to correct it. And you know, we have the most, probably the most robust fact-checking operation out What's America like? 350 PhD scientists, many physicians, you know, PhDs advising for you, including until recently Yves Montagnier, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV. He was the head of the National Toxicity Program at the NIA, probably the top toxicologist in America. If I were saying things that were scientifically unsound, those people would correct me. But what I would say to you is, show me where I got it wrong. Show me where I got it wrong, and I will change my position. You know, science is fluid. It's not a, uh, a static thing. It's a fluid thing. It's a changing scientific study. Well, what I'm saying to you, nobody had done that. You know, it's the name of the side when he did his speech. If one spoke in a side that was analogous, I would say I would change my decision.
But you got the 2 speeches together.
You know, read my response to that.
So you say this isn't what you're leading with?
I'm sorry to pause it right there. And by the way, I love Cigar. I love— me and him have like messages. Several times to try to set up a show. We've never made it happen. We will, I'm sure, at some point, like, do a show together. But it's just you can tell he's uncomfortable with how, like, unfair she's being in the situation. He's because he's like, maybe we'll get you guys together to do a little thing. That's all he's. It's all he's committed since. But maybe we'll be. All right, you guys keep going. Anyway, look, what can I say here? It's the same thing again. She knows what other people have shown you where you're. Wrong and you still don't change. And then he's like, okay, but did you read the counter of what I wrote back to this guy and why I think he's wrong? And she's like, I'll check that out. And it's like, so she's just doing this thing where she's asserting that he's wrong. It's like just the intention of like, we're gonna frame this as you're wrong. My next guest is Rob Bernstein and he's wrong about the economy. Hey Rob, you know, like, all right, we don't want to go back. People have already seen why you're wrong on this. This is not a good way to argue.
This is not a good way to argue.
If you want to call somebody out for saying something, then be honest enough to have done your research and know how to argue this position, and not just constantly be saying, oh, you should check out this interview, or this scientist already proved you wrong, or this— that— like, how? Just explain it. Again, I am somebody I'm agnostic on this issue. What I'm meaning is, like, I just don't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I don't know. I don't think it's arguments. Like, I'll confess, I haven't done enough research on this topic. But that's why I would never, like, have someone on my show and go, you're just wrong about this, because I'm not in a position to do that. I might say something like, you know, a lot of other scientists have said this about you. What's your response? You know, something like that. Or I might say what C.R. said there, which I think is totally reasonable to say, hey, would you be open to having a debate with this other scientist who says you have it wrong? I think that's great. I remember always through the COVID thing, I always wanted that. Always wanted to see like, you know, one of the dissenting scientific voices debate one of the top ones. I would love to see Dr. Fauci debating someone on the left. God fucking damn it! Why did I use that stupid pistol? Just like you said, it's bitchy. I don't mean that even just because she's a woman. Just mean it's like I'd say same thing with Naomi in this way. It's just not. There's there's zero integrity to this style of difference. All right, guys. Fucking damn it! Why did I use this? ZBiotics Pre-Alcohol Prebiotic. If you've ever missed a workout because of drinks the night before, you're not alone. But now there is something you can do, and that is you can try ZBiotics Pre-Alcohol Probiotic. It's the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by a PhD scientist to help you wake up mornings after drinking. Here's how it works. byproduct in the gut. It's this byproduct, not the hydration that gets you going for your rough next day. ZBiotics produces an enzyme to break this byproduct down. It's designed to work like your liver, but in your gut where you need it the most. Just remember to drink ZBiotics before drinking alcohol, drink it every day, and get a good night's sleep to feel your best tomorrow. You gotta check this out. We all know about those rough mornings. This is something that can really help. Give ZBiotics a try for yourself.
